Quotes of the day

posted at 8:01 pm on January 20, 2013 by Allahpundit

Immigration, [Condoleezza] Rice added, was the “big issue.”

“Frankly, we sent some pretty bad signals around immigration. George W. Bush, John McCain, Jon Kyl, and Ted Kennedy had an immigration bill in 2007 and it failed. And I felt at that moment that that was the real missed opportunity. We’ve got to get comprehensive immigration reform back on the agenda.”

Praising Republicans, like Marco Rubio, who have been speaking out about immigration, Rice also made it clear that she felt certain components of the GOP platform, such as fiscal values, defense, federalism, and individual responsibility, were “widely popular among the American people.”

“But if you send messages that there are whole segments of the population that are not welcome, not only is it bad politics, but it’s bad policy because without immigration, robust immigration, we have the same sclerotic demographics of Japan and Europe,” Rice remarked. “The Republican party has both a political and a policy problem.”

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Proponents of comprehensive immigration reform, who mainly reside on the left, are surprised that Rubio, a Republican from Florida, has generated so much positive buzz from conservatives…

“He’s doing an awesome job of bringing along conservatives and bringing along conservatives in the media,” said Frank Sharry, the founder of America’s Voice, which advocates for comprehensive reform. “He’s making enormous progress in making reform palatable to people on the right in a way that no one has before.”…

Critics of proposals granting legal status to illegal immigrants say Rubio’s blueprint is unacceptable, based on what they know. So far Rubio has only sketched out his vision in interviews and has yet to introduce legislation.

“We have some major issues with what it looks like he’s doing in some areas. This is not something we would endorse,” said Rosemary Jenks, director of government affairs at NumbersUSA, a group that opposed past efforts to pass comprehensive immigration reform.

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“The party is hungry for a leader who can unite us. The party and the country is hungry for that,” said Republican strategist Henry Barbour, who is co-chairing a review of the national party’s 2012 campaign and coming up with a blueprint for future elections. “Addition not subtraction wins elections. I’m focused on 2013 and 2014, but the more Rubio shows he can unite our party, the more interesting he will be to people thinking about 2016.”…

“Mending course on immigration is a requirement for Republicans to be able to successfully engage Latino voters,” said Clarissa Martinez-De-Castro, director of immigration and national campaigns at the National Council of La Raza, a leading Hispanic advocacy group. “If they stay on the path they are on, they are on their way to political irrelevance.”…

“He has the potential to be a force for building the space in which Republicans are meaningfully considering resolutions to this problem,” said Martinez-De-Castro. “The expectations are high for his leadership on this.”

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Mr. Rubio laid out three [principles]: aside from fair treatment for foreigners who play by the rules, he said, any legislation should also recognize that legal immigration has been a boon to the United States in the past and is “critical to our future.” He would also insist on new measures to ensure strict enforcement at the border and within the country…

Mr. Rubio said he would seek to reorient the visa system to bring in more educated immigrants with skills in technology and science. As for the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants in the country, Mr. Rubio said, “We have to understand these folks are here to stay.” He added that most of them had not committed serious or violent crimes.

“The right way to deal with them is not amnesty,” Mr. Rubio said, “and it is not a special pathway to citizenship.” Instead, he said, he would offer a provisional legal status to immigrants who passed criminal background checks, paid fines and passed English and civics tests.

But, he said, “ultimately it’s not good for our country to have people permanently trapped in that status where they can’t become citizens.” After a certain period, he said, immigrants would be allowed to apply through the existing system to become legal permanent residents, a status that would eventually allow them to become citizens.

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Immigration reform legislation must include a pathway to citizenship for the nation’s illegal immigrants, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said Thursday…

“There will be nothing done in my Senate [on immigration reform] without a pathway to citizenship,” Reid said in an interview with the Las Vegas Sun…

“We have spent a huge amount of money on border security, and both our northern and southern borders are more secure,” Reid said. “Frankly, Mexico is doing much better economically, and that has helped the issue a lot. We can’t build a fence of 3,000 miles because no matter how high we build it, they can build a ladder taller than that fence. So I think we have about expended our energy on border security.”

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He acknowledged that major pieces of his plan remain to be worked out. According to current federal visa rosters, most Mexican-born immigrants applying to become permanent residents now face a wait of at least 17 years to receive their document — known as a green card — even if they followed the rules and were approved. Mr. Rubio’s proposal could add seven million more Mexican immigrants to those backlogs. The path to citizenship he proposes for illegal immigrants could be several decades long.

“I don’t have a solution for that question right now,” Mr. Rubio said. He said he would seek to relieve backlogs by speeding up green cards for immigrants already in the legal line, not by creating special pathways for illegal immigrants.

Mr. Rubio’s principles did not sound very different from outlines for an overhaul that President Obama has offered. And the senator, whose star is rising rapidly in his party, chose not to hammer on his differences with the White House.

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Unfortunately, the few specifics Rubio has named are almost identical to the failed amnesty plans of Presidents Bush and Obama. Don’t take my word for it — just ask Miami Herald political reporter Marc Caputo, or pro-amnesty Mother Jones reporter Adam Serwer, or anti-amnesty Center for Immigration Studies chief Mark Krikorian. All of them have compared the Obama and Rubio immigration plans, and all of them have concluded the two plans are almost identical

Both Obama and Rubio swear up and down that their “path to citizenship,” as they call it, is not amnesty because those here illegally today would have to jump through a series of hoops before they obtained legal status. Both Obama and Rubio would require illegal immigrants to: prove they were in the United States for a lengthy period of time, undergo a background check, pay a fine, pay back taxes and prove they have learned English.

But even these minimal requirements would obviously never be enforced. Just imagine if a grandmother came forward, passed a background check, paid her taxes and fines but failed her English test. Would Rubio deport her? Of course not. As Rubio admitted above, no one is going to vote for you if you threaten to deport their grandmother.

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“If the president really wants to make a difference,” Santorum said on This Week, “he’ll lead with immigration. because there’s not a single Republican up on Capitol Hill who believes he wants to get it done. They all believe … he will put a measure that the Republicans can’t accept and blame Republicans and then continue to drive a wedge between Republicans and Hispanics and if he changes that and if he changes that and he says, ‘No, I’m willing to actually work together and get something that we can all agree on,’ he will change the tone on Capitol Hill.”

Santorum also stressed that Republicans were ready to act on immigration.

“I think the Republicans are ready to do something on immigration,” he said. “You saw Marco Rubio’s plan which is pretty far down the road. It looks a lot like what President Bush put forward four years ago.”

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So, in considering what can now accurately be referred to as the Obama-Rubio-Ryan amnesty plan of 2013, there’s one central question that Rubio and Ryan need to be asked: Do they trust President Obama to enforce the immigration laws in the future, after today’s illegals have been legalized?…

And if the answer is “no,” i.e., that Rubio and Ryan don’t trust Obama to enforce whatever deal they manage to push through Congress, then why won’t we just end up with another 11 million illegal aliens a few years down the road?

This isn’t some nit I’m picking — it’s central to the whole concept of “comprehensive immigration reform.” If you trust Obama to do the right thing, then, by all means, endorse his plan for amnesty, as Rubio and Ryan have done. But if you don’t trust him to keep his word, if you think all his statements come with an expiration date, then there’s no honest way you can back his approach.

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BaH

The heck with enforcing laws we already have and have had for years and years but refuse to enforce – or selectively enforce.

Make new ones!

That’s the ticket!

SD Tom on January 20, 2013 at 8:06 PM

“There will be nothing done in my Senate [on immigration reform] without a pathway to citizenship,” Reid said in an interview with the Las Vegas Sun…

Yeah, I’ll bet.

We all are on the same page that if we allow all of these illegals to become citizens, Texas, Arizona, and Nevada become blue, or at least very purple states, right?

Timin203 on January 20, 2013 at 8:07 PM

We need some more dependents…
STAT!

And a few PHDs..wouldn’t hurt..

Electrongod on January 20, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Proponents of comprehensive immigration reform, who mainly reside on the left, are surprised that Rubio, a Republican from Florida, has generated so much positive buzz from conservatives

lol.

Define “Conservatives”

Tim_CA on January 20, 2013 at 8:08 PM

So, in considering what can now accurately be referred to as the Obama-Rubio-Ryan amnesty plan of 2013, there’s one central question that Rubio and Ryan need to be asked: Do they trust President Obama to enforce the immigration laws in the future, after today’s illegals have been legalized?…

He doesn’t enforce the ones on the books now.

RickB on January 20, 2013 at 8:10 PM

To all the liberals out there, this is to you! he said it better than I ever could.

“You don’t want the truth because deep down in places you don’t talk about at parties you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use then as the backbone of a life trying to defend something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said “thank you,” and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest that you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don’t give a damn what you think you are entitled to.”

MarshFox on January 20, 2013 at 8:11 PM

lol.

Define “Conservatives”

Tim_CA on January 20, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Ask Megaton McCain. She’s the expert./

predator on January 20, 2013 at 8:12 PM

What we are in fact doing is allowing millions of welfare recipients in who hate America, who have been taught there entire life that white people are evil incarnate, and that they own the Continent or something like that.

pat on January 20, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Oh…and before I forget…

49ERS BABEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

Tim_CA on January 20, 2013 at 8:13 PM

MarshFox is that Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men?

CoffeeLover on January 20, 2013 at 8:14 PM

Oh…and before I forget…

49ERS BABEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

Tim_CA on January 20, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Congrats. It took ‘em a while, but once they got it together they looked good.

predator on January 20, 2013 at 8:16 PM

What we are in fact doing is allowing millions of welfare recipients in who hate America, who have been taught there entire life that white people are evil incarnate, and that they own the Continent or something like that.

pat on January 20, 2013 at 8:12 PM

I’m sure many of them are mooching off our social and welfare programs already. I’m more worried that they will be able to vote. Think about 20 million plus new democrat voters voting in every presidential election.

Timin203 on January 20, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Yep, it worked so well when Reagan did it. Look at the solid lock on the Hispanic vote the republicans enjoy.

/s

AZfederalist on January 20, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Congrats. It took ‘em a while, but once they got it together they looked good.

predator on January 20, 2013 at 8:16 PM

LOL…even my ten-year-old was on the edge of her seat…she was ready to go ride her bike at the end of the 1st quarter.

Tim_CA on January 20, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Both Obama and Rubio swear up and down that their “path to citizenship,” as they call it, is not amnesty because those here illegally today would have to jump through a series of hoops before they obtained legal status.

They’re correct on two counts. It’s not amnesty because amnesty would be correctly defined as the people who are here illegally get to leave without being prosecuted for the crime of coming here illegally in the first place.

It is also not amnesty because the idea that one gets to keep the spoils of their crimes, in this case staying in the United States, with or without citizenship, could only be defined as amnesty on steroids.

America cannot and will not be America without the rule of law. One set of laws for everyone with no one above the law. These proposals clearly violate the rule of law.

voiceofreason on January 20, 2013 at 8:21 PM

CoffeeLover on January 20, 2013 at 8:14 PM

It is and as grotesque as that case was, he truly spoke about how the elite tend to look at the military.

MarshFox on January 20, 2013 at 8:22 PM

The out-of-wedlock birth rate among Hispanics is approaching 50%. They comprise 30% of all welfare recipients, and that grows every year. They are here, and continue to come here, for the welfare. So a vote for “comprehensive immigration reform” is a vote for the welfare state. Rice, Rubio, they’re just pissing on everyone’s leg and tellin’ ‘em it’s raining.

Rational Thought on January 20, 2013 at 8:23 PM

That’s it you MORONS! You rinos commit political suicide with amnesty and watch how you lose what little power you have left. Tell me again how the repubs are supposed to be the opposition? They are helping the TRAITOR-in-chief destroy the party and your voting for these Back Stabbers. Good Luck getting that rino knife out of your back!

http://www.paratisiusa.blogspot.com

God Bless America!

paratisi on January 20, 2013 at 8:23 PM

From my twitter feed just now

In Mexico, if you’re not a National, you can’t attend a Mexican School anywhere no matter how many years you’ve lived there

We don’t even follow the laws on the books, so let’s just make up more that still won’t be followed.

JPeterman on January 20, 2013 at 8:23 PM

Well by now I’m sure you all know that I’m the new Fire Marshall in the Glade.

I have a special announcement to make about smokin’ butts in the Forrest.

Scrumpy was in the Forrest and she had a smokin’ butt.

I saw it.

Jackie was in the Forrest and she had a smokin’ butt too.

Plus B9 and Grace among others.

More info will be released once my investigation is complete.

SparkPlug on January 20, 2013 at 8:25 PM

Now is not the time to go squeamish on this issue:

From Newsmax–Net Immigration is Down.

This is probably why the dems want to get some sort of bill done to encourage immigration.

5. Census Bureau: Net Mexican Immigration Has Halted
Immigration to the United States is down sharply from the levels of 1982 to 2007, and equaled just 0.6 percent of the 2010 population in the last two years, according to new data from the Census Bureau.

Immigration topped 1 percent of the 2010 population only in New Jersey, New York, and Florida, and was only slightly above the national average in California. In Arizona, with its enforcement of anti-illegal immigrant laws, immigration was actually down.

The Bureau reports that net Mexican immigration has halted, and California is likely getting more Asian immigrants than Hispanics.
Most immigrants in recent years have been going to just a few metropolitan areas — New York, Miami, Orlando, Boston, and Washington, D.C.

Nationally, the excess of U.S. births over deaths, 3.3 million, was nearly double the number of immigrants, 1.8 million, in the last two years.

The Census Bureau estimates that the country has grown from 308 million when the last census was conducted in April 2010 to nearly 313 million in the middle of last year, for a growth rate of about 1.7 percent.

Among the states, the fastest growth has been in North Dakota, 4 percent, thanks to the boom in shale oil production, although the District of Columbia has a higher growth rate, 5.1 percent.

After North Dakota, the fastest-growing state is Texas, where the population rose 3.6 percent and accounted for 18 percent of all American population growth.

Utah and Colorado also grew by more than 3 percent.

Two states lost population in the past two years — Rhode Island and Michigan, although Michigan appears to be rebounding in the last year, notes Michael Barone, a senior political analyst for the Washington Examiner who reviewed the Census Bureau figures.

New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Illinois suffered the largest outflow of people, more than 1 percent of their 2010 populations. Barone observes: “People evidently aren’t enamored of their high (and in Connecticut and Illinois, increased) tax rates.”

predator on January 20, 2013 at 8:25 PM

Predator made a really long post and damn near shoved mine off the screen. Now where is my tazer?

SparkPlug on January 20, 2013 at 8:27 PM

SparkPlug on January 20, 2013 at 8:25 PM

That’s a great job you have. I envy you. :O

predator on January 20, 2013 at 8:27 PM

thanks MarshFox and you are absolutely right! But these elites also look with disdain on the rest of us as well IMO.

CoffeeLover on January 20, 2013 at 8:27 PM

Don’t taze me bro!

predator on January 20, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Frankly, we sent some pretty bad signals around immigration. George W. Bush, John McCain, Jon Kyl, and Ted Kennedy had an immigration bill in 2007 and it failed. And I felt at that moment that that was the real missed opportunity.

The opportunity wasn’t missed. The GOP committed suicide with that push for amnesty.

Hey Condi, STFU and go away you moron. You sucked as SecState and weren’t too sterling as NSA, either. Just admit that you’re a democrat, already.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 20, 2013 at 8:30 PM

More info will be released once my investigation is complete.

SparkPlug on January 20, 2013 at 8:25 PM

lol…I’ve got a pretty good idea what’s being in smoked in that Glade…and I’m fairly sure the remnants are called “roaches” not “butts”.

Tim_CA on January 20, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Don’t taze me bro!

predator on January 20, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Why not?

After all, you are crazy. Therapy…

cozmo on January 20, 2013 at 8:32 PM

smoking butts…
maybe they smoke in a different way.

22044 on January 20, 2013 at 8:32 PM

I still like Rubio and there is plenty of work to be done on immigration but you just can’t reward law breaking. It’s hard for me to believe that people pay to come here illegally and the government can find a way to get that money in the form of temporary visas and/or work permits.

Cindy Munford on January 20, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Why not?

After all, you are crazy. Therapy…

cozmo on January 20, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Granted. But I prefer sedation.

predator on January 20, 2013 at 8:40 PM

“But if you send messages that there are whole segments of the population that are not welcome, not only is it bad politics, but it’s bad policy because without immigration, robust immigration, we have the same sclerotic demographics of Japan and Europe,” Rice remarked.

Ask the Europeans about the out-of-control Muslim population in Europe because of weak immigration policies, Ms. Condi Rice. The “sclerosis” is the gelling of a sharia-dominant culture.

In terms of our southern border, unless there are sponsors that guarantee that the immigrants are not a burden on the social services and welfare system, there should be no special privileges given to those who broke the law.

onlineanalyst on January 20, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Welp. Today begins another 4 years of the horror.

And we ain’t gonna recover from it.

Lanceman on January 20, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Hey Condi, STFU and go away you moron. You sucked as SecState and weren’t too sterling as NSA, either. Just admit that you’re a democrat, already.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 20, 2013 at 8:30 PM

She just took a job with CBS (I think that’s the one)

JPeterman on January 20, 2013 at 8:42 PM

22044 on January 20, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Heh.

Tim_CA on January 20, 2013 at 8:44 PM

“But if you send messages that there are whole segments of the population that are not welcome, not only is it bad politics, but it’s bad policy because without immigration, robust immigration, we have the same sclerotic demographics of Japan and Europe,” Rice remarked.

Well, thanks for contributing to the meme, dimwit. No one in the GOP is sending the message that “whole segments of the population are not welcome”. That’s what the Left says ABOUT the Right.

Sheesh. And she’s a world class intellect?

Cleombrotus on January 20, 2013 at 8:44 PM

I still like Rubio and there is plenty of work to be done on immigration but you just can’t reward law breaking. It’s hard for me to believe that people pay to come here illegally and the government can find a way to get that money in the form of temporary visas and/or work permits.

Cindy Munford on January 20, 2013 at 8:34 PM

The only way I’ll accept “amnesty” is if we find a way to ensure most illegals return home, we allow skilled immigrants to stay / come, and anyone who originally came here illegally can’t be a citizen, or collect welfare, and has to pay the town to send their kids to a public school…. for an extended period of time. Like 20 years.

And all of that will only be acceptable to me if we have a reasonable control over who can get into this country. I’m not saying perfection, but we have to very much slow down the flow of illegals coming here, and we have to actually track down and remove those who do make it past the border and/or overstay their visas.

Timin203 on January 20, 2013 at 8:44 PM

She just took a job with CBS (I think that’s the one)

JPeterman on January 20, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Fits her like a glove. It’s a shame we have to continue hearing her moronic babbling, though. I wish they would just make her Commissioner of the NFL and have her occupied elsewhere. Condi really annoys the sh!t out of me.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 20, 2013 at 8:44 PM

No amnesty, no Rubio!

FloatingRock on January 20, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Welp. Today begins another 4 years of the horror.

And we ain’t gonna recover from it.

Lanceman on January 20, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Yep. But to pass the time you can say ‘Hey’ to Scrumpy for me.

SparkPlug on January 20, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Yep. But to pass the time you can say ‘Hey’ to Scrumpy for me.

SparkPlug on January 20, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Ain’t been in a hey Scrumpy mood for a coupla months.

Lanceman on January 20, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Hey Scrumpy!

JPeterman on January 20, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Tim_CA on January 20, 2013 at 8:30 PM

LOL. SWalker might be the new Glade exterminator. Where ever he goes you will find dead roaches. (:

SparkPlug on January 20, 2013 at 8:49 PM

I saw a special on how Canada handles its seasonal workers, it seemed like they have a handle on it but then since I am not there, I don’t know whether they have a problem with people overstaying their welcome.

Cindy Munford on January 20, 2013 at 8:49 PM

By the way, how are all of these “real conservatives” that some on here are always saying are our “next big hope for 2016″ working out?

Timin203 on January 20, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Timin203 on January 20, 2013 at 8:44 PM

I can’t go for amnesty (i.e. voters) for people who came illegally. Make them legal but don’t make them citizens. Maybe with the exception of people who came as young children (no choice) but they have to either graduate from college or serve in the military to become citizens.

Cindy Munford on January 20, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Northern Virginistan, present day: At any given street crossing, 2 pregnant hispanic women push 2 tandem strollers with 2 babies in each. In tow: 2 to 4 other children. I’m paying for this, and I AM P!SSED.

bernzright777 on January 20, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Someone’s gotta say it: Rubio better get himself to the Hair Club or he’s not gonna win the nomination in ’16.

IrishEi on January 20, 2013 at 9:01 PM

I can’t go for amnesty (i.e. voters) for people who came illegally. Make them legal but don’t make them citizens. Maybe with the exception of people who came as young children (no choice) but they have to either graduate from college or serve in the military to become citizens.

Cindy Munford on January 20, 2013 at 8:52 PM

My sentiments exactly.

IrishEi on January 20, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Northern Virginistan, present day: At any given street crossing, 2 pregnant hispanic women push 2 tandem strollers with 2 babies in each. In tow: 2 to 4 other children. I’m paying for this, and I AM P!SSED.

bernzright777 on January 20, 2013 at 8:57 PM

And you know they’re illegal exactly how?

You were probably one of the ones booing Perry when he presented his immigration plan involving steps to amnesty based on performance (exactly what Palin told O’Reilly) while cheering on Sheriff Mitt and his “build a fence higher than the heavens and deeper than hell!”, knowing ultimately he’d lose every Hispanic vote cast in November.

Marcus on January 20, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Northern Virginistan, present day: At any given street crossing, 2 pregnant hispanic women push 2 tandem strollers with 2 babies in each. In tow: 2 to 4 other children. I’m paying for this, and I AM P!SSED.

bernzright777 on January 20, 2013 at 8:57 PM

The “joy” of unwed Latinas having sex without the use of birth control, because it goes against the wishes of the Catholic Church.

sentinelrules on January 20, 2013 at 9:05 PM

OT question:

If the dims are the party of gun control, shouldn’t they try controlling their own members?

predator on January 20, 2013 at 9:05 PM

but they have to either graduate from college or serve in the military to become citizens.

Cindy Munford on January 20, 2013 at 8:52 PM

My sentiments exactly.

IrishEi on January 20, 2013 at 9:03 PM

I say military service only. All they’ll learn in college is how to be America-hating leftists.

predator on January 20, 2013 at 9:07 PM

How about this….

For every mile a security fence is built on the border with Mexico, one illegal alien can become a citizen.

sentinelrules on January 20, 2013 at 9:09 PM

I can’t go for amnesty (i.e. voters) for people who came illegally. Make them legal but don’t [...]

Cindy Munford on January 20, 2013 at 8:52 PM

THAT is amnesty. They tried to steal legal residence and the privelege to work here and you want to give it to them. Do you think that we ought to let auto thieves keep the cars they steal, too?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 20, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Are republican leaders idiots or are they just idiots???

Amnesty?

Seriously?

I’m blue in the face saying the gop is DEAD DEAD DEAD!!!

PappyD61 on January 20, 2013 at 9:11 PM

but they have to either graduate from college

LOL. Most college degrees are total BS. I wouldn’t predicate anything on “graduating from college”.

or serve in the military to become citizens.

Cindy Munford on January 20, 2013 at 8:52 PM

And now you want illegals serving in the military? WTFFF?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 20, 2013 at 9:12 PM

The out-of-wedlock birth rate among Hispanics is approaching 50%. They comprise 30% of all welfare recipients, and that grows every year.

Rational Thought on January 20, 2013 at 8:23 PM

Actually, according to the federal government, the Hispanic illegitimacy rate (they use a politically correct term), is already 53%. It is 71% among blacks and 29% among whites.

Hispanics are projected to outnumber whites in California by July:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2265134/California-Hispanic-population-exceed-whites-end-2013.html

bw222 on January 20, 2013 at 9:14 PM

THAT is amnesty. They tried to steal legal residence and the privelege to work here and you want to give it to them. Do you think that we ought to let auto thieves keep the cars they steal, too?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 20, 2013 at 9:10 PM

And if they’re made “legal” without the right to vote, you know what comes next. The ACLU and every other left wing organization will cry that they’re “second class citizens”, sue,and voila, 30 million new Democratic voters. It’s not 11 million by any stretch. Rubio is nothing but a hispandering opportunist politician and a Jeb Bush clone. You grant amnesty and once Texas goes blue, the WH is gone, for good. All one has to do it look at California to see what we’ll look like.

TxAnn56 on January 20, 2013 at 9:19 PM

I say military service only. All they’ll learn in college is how to be America-hating leftists.

predator on January 20, 2013 at 9:07 PM

You want hundreds of thousands of young, unskilled, non-english speaking moochers clogged up the military? The military exists to defend the country, not babysit and train thousands of illegals on how to be american citizens.

Timin203 on January 20, 2013 at 9:19 PM

OT question:

If the dims are the party of gun control, shouldn’t they try controlling their own members?

predator on January 20, 2013 at 9:05 PM

If hypocrisy was a fatal disease, everyone in Washington D.C. would be dead.

JPeterman on January 20, 2013 at 9:20 PM

I think you should have to be a citizen to work for the government (at all levels…fed, state & local.) I work for the state and fully 1/3 of the people in my division are not citizens. Call our office and you’ll think you’ve reached an overseas Tech Support. Just last week, someone docketed a lawsuit as “Esquire VS. Williams.” Took me forever to find the damn thing out of the 10,000 we have filed each year. It was just an attorney suing a paint store and should have been docketed: Smith, Esq. VS. Sherwin Williams.

I also think that entitlements should be reserved for citizens. There was a time when you had to prove you had a means of support to enter this country, now you can just illegally roll over the border in your wheelchair and get on SSI. I’m tired of it; and I’m broke.

IrishEi on January 20, 2013 at 9:20 PM

All they’ll learn in college is how to be America-hating leftists.

predator on January 20, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Good point.

IrishEi on January 20, 2013 at 9:21 PM

TxAnn56 on January 20, 2013 at 9:19 PM

Yep! Great point. We already had that case in New York state, IIRC, where the judge forced the town to use cumulative voting (a distinctly un-American style of voting) in order to assure hispanic representation on the town council more in line with the percent of hispanic population (many of whom were illegals!). I think this case a few years ago but I can’t recall the details.

You hit the nail on the head, though. They make them legal to stay and then we hear all the BS complaints that their “rights” are being violated because they can’t vote, etc. And the courts will side with the illegals the same way they’ve been siding with them forcing hospitals to treat them and public schools to accept them.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 20, 2013 at 9:22 PM

You grant amnesty and once Texas goes blue, the WH is gone, for good. All one has to do it look at California to see what we’ll look like.

TxAnn56 on January 20, 2013 at 9:19 PM

Exactly. The democrats will be guaranteed enough electoral votes to keep them in power for at least a generation. It’s the largest democrat voter registration drive in our lifetime. We cannot allow for full legalization and citizenship for tens of millions (we’ll find out how many later) of illegals under any condition.

Timin203 on January 20, 2013 at 9:22 PM

bw222 on January 20, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Well, Obysmal is crazy for single mothers. They form a large part of his constituency.

O/T The 83-year-old Barbara Walters fell at an inaugural party at an ambassador’s digs, banging her head. She has been hospitalized. Will she develop a blood clot and emerge with another face lift?

What’s the matter with these Dem women? Can’t they handle their booze?

onlineanalyst on January 20, 2013 at 9:23 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 20, 2013 at 9:12 PM

I think we have non-citizens serving. I seem to remember ceremonies of them attaining their citizenship. Young kids don’t get a lot to say about where they are going to live.

Cindy Munford on January 20, 2013 at 9:23 PM

You want hundreds of thousands of young, unskilled, non-english speaking moochers clogged up the military? The military exists to defend the country, not babysit and train thousands of illegals on how to be american citizens.

Timin203 on January 20, 2013 at 9:19 PM

I was replying to Cindy’s comment about ones who were brought here as young kids. So they’ve been here long enough to have learned the language.

My preference would be that they go back where they came from, but if these nimrods in D.C. are hell bent on doing something like this then I say military service requirement.

The military would do a better job of straightening them out than any college ever will.

predator on January 20, 2013 at 9:24 PM

JPeterman on January 20, 2013 at 9:20 PM

We live to dream, that irony should become fatal. Non violently, of course.

Cindy Munford on January 20, 2013 at 9:24 PM

And if they refuse to serve, then send their butts back across the border.

predator on January 20, 2013 at 9:24 PM

This game wicked blows – Boston

Slade73 on January 20, 2013 at 9:25 PM

Yep! Great point. We already had that case in New York state, IIRC, where the judge forced the town to use cumulative voting (a distinctly un-American style of voting) in order to assure hispanic representation on the town council more in line with the percent of hispanic population (many of whom were illegals!). I think this case a few years ago but I can’t recall the details.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 20, 2013 at 9:22 PM

I think you’re referring to a case in port chester ny

Timin203 on January 20, 2013 at 9:25 PM

I think we have non-citizens serving.

Cindy Munford on January 20, 2013 at 9:23 PM

We do, but they are legal green card holders, not illegals. There are no illegals in the military.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 20, 2013 at 9:25 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 20, 2013 at 9:10 PM

I’m talking about citizens. Voting citizens. Make them pay for the green cards, not that I think they will, I don’t think they care as much about “living in the shadows” as the Democrats let on.

Cindy Munford on January 20, 2013 at 9:26 PM

It’s a myth to assume the Hispanic vote will go Dem once this has been settled.

John the Libertarian on January 20, 2013 at 9:27 PM

This game wicked blows – Boston

Slade73 on January 20, 2013 at 9:25 PM

Agreed. I’ve been upset since last week. Wanted to see a Packers/Patriots Superbowl.

IrishEi on January 20, 2013 at 9:27 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 20, 2013 at 9:25 PM

I will accede to your better knowledge. I still think that a kid who has gone through our entire school system has been punished enough and should be allowed to serve if they can pass the tests to get in.

Cindy Munford on January 20, 2013 at 9:28 PM

Nice dodge ball hit, Brady.

John the Libertarian on January 20, 2013 at 9:28 PM

Make them pay for the green cards,

Sorry, Cindy, but I still totally disagree with you. Once someone forces himself into our country he should never be allowed any legal residency, at all. NEVER. That is the punishment for thumbing his nose at our sovereignty. There are billions of people around the world who want to come here. We get to choose who we want, not the other way around. Illegals need to go and never come back.

not that I think they will, I don’t think they care as much about “living in the shadows” as the Democrats let on.

Cindy Munford on January 20, 2013 at 9:26 PM

Obviously, illegals don’t care about any of our laws and certainly don’t give a hoot about being “documented”. Of course, the dems lie about that like they lie about everything. Illegals laugh at our laws and our nation.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 20, 2013 at 9:29 PM

predator on January 20, 2013 at 9:24 PM

I would prefer they go home also. Just think of the advantage they should have after going through our schools system. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

Cindy Munford on January 20, 2013 at 9:30 PM

I was replying to Cindy’s comment about ones who were brought here as young kids. So they’ve been here long enough to have learned the language.

predator on January 20, 2013 at 9:24 PM

That’s not really a huge demographic. Most came here as young adults, had a bunch of children in the US out of wedlock, who where thus US citizens and entitled to all sorts of benefits, they teach their kids spanish, never encourage them to do well in school.

There are also some illegals who come here as young adults and work hard and actually add value to our economy. Some.

But I don’t there there’s a huge group of young children in this country who were brought here illegally. But I do think that everyone here illegally will claim there parents forced them to come when they were (whatever age is decided on to be “young” enough, currently Obama’s EO pegs it at 30 years old)

Timin203 on January 20, 2013 at 9:30 PM

Even Santorum is for immigration reform… So it really is a détente.

Illinidiva on January 20, 2013 at 9:31 PM

It’s a myth to assume the Hispanic vote will go Dem once this has been settled.

John the Libertarian on January 20, 2013 at 9:27 PM

Yeah, because they always seem to elect such small government, libertarian leaning types back home.

Timin203 on January 20, 2013 at 9:32 PM

With the do-gooder states handing out drivers’ licences to illegals and the idiocy of motor-voter registration, the legitimacy of our elections is already being skewed towards the Dems, champions of the dependency class.

onlineanalyst on January 20, 2013 at 9:32 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 20, 2013 at 9:29 PM

It’s a tough subject. Not for Democrats, they just want voters, they don’t give a flying flip about laws.

Cindy Munford on January 20, 2013 at 9:33 PM

predator on January 20, 2013 at 8:25 PM

If net immigration is down (which I believe about as much as the 11 million illegalalien figure), nothing will re-kindle it more than an amnesty or “path to citizenship.”

With friends like Rice and “Senator Combover,” who needs enemies?

Questions: 1) Unless the “dreamers” are going to become physicians, engineers or chemists, do we need more college graduates? Don’t we have more than enough unemployed young people with “feel good” degrees? 2) Since Obama is downsizing the military, where are we going to put them?

bw222 on January 20, 2013 at 9:33 PM

I would prefer they go home also. Just think of the advantage they should have after going through our schools system. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

Cindy Munford on January 20, 2013 at 9:30 PM

LOL! And then they could share their “knowledge” with the populace down there.

predator on January 20, 2013 at 9:33 PM

Also Rubio has been kinda brilliant the past week and he’s gotten all the press.. Almost makes me think that he isn’t an airhead.

Illinidiva on January 20, 2013 at 9:33 PM

By the way, how are all of these “real conservatives” that some on here are always saying are our “next big hope for 2016″ working out?

Timin203 on January 20, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Who knows? It’s only 2013. Has Marco got a lock as the Next In Line?

ddrintn on January 20, 2013 at 9:33 PM

Timin203 on January 20, 2013 at 9:32 PM

I have to agree with you there, they seem to like dictators, which explains the attraction to Obama.

Cindy Munford on January 20, 2013 at 9:34 PM

It’s a myth to assume the Hispanic vote will go Dem once this has been settled.

John the Libertarian on January 20, 2013 at 9:27 PM

As long as Hispanics continue to have the highest poverty rate in this country, they will continue to vote Democrat.

It’s in their best interest.

sentinelrules on January 20, 2013 at 9:35 PM

It’s a myth to assume the Hispanic vote will go Dem once this has been settled.

John the Libertarian on January 20, 2013 at 9:27 PM

And right on cue, Latinos become the Indies of 2016.

ddrintn on January 20, 2013 at 9:35 PM

Praising Republicans, like Marco Rubio, who have been speaking out about immigration, Rice also

If Clueless Condi praised anything I did I would have to do some very serious rethinking.

VorDaj on January 20, 2013 at 9:35 PM

I say make them take the citizenship test cold. No studying, no prep.

Those that pass – then we’ll talk. Those that fail – see ya.

gophergirl on January 20, 2013 at 9:36 PM

Also Rubio has been kinda brilliant the past week and he’s gotten all the press.. Almost makes me think that he isn’t an airhead.

Illinidiva on January 20, 2013 at 9:33 PM

He’s been no such thing and he gets all the press because the media is choosing your next candidate for you.

ddrintn on January 20, 2013 at 9:36 PM

Will the illegal yutes have to register their machetes?

What’s with all of this talk about college educations? What is wrong with having a solid preparation in a trade school?

onlineanalyst on January 20, 2013 at 9:37 PM

ddrintn on January 20, 2013 at 9:33 PM

I wouldn’t think Marco was next in line. I’ll have to give some thought to figure out the oldest inept member of Congress to figure out who it might be. I’m sure we have plenty who qualify.

Cindy Munford on January 20, 2013 at 9:37 PM

Who knows? It’s only 2013. Has Marco got a lock as the Next In Line?

ddrintn on January 20, 2013 at 9:33 PM

I sure as hell hope not. But I don’t really think it matters either way, I think demographics and our culture is moving against any hope of small government and fiscal sanity any time soon.

Timin203 on January 20, 2013 at 9:37 PM

“The right way to deal with them is not amnesty,” Mr. Rubio said, “and it is not a special pathway to citizenship.” Instead, he said, he would offer a provisional legal status to immigrants who passed criminal background checks, paid fines and passed English and civics tests.

Ohhh I see. So this is what we’re gonna be calling amnesty the next election.

Dongemaharu on January 20, 2013 at 9:37 PM

bw222 on January 20, 2013 at 9:33 PM

I agree with #1, and if #2 gets quashed because of a downsized military, then they can go back where they come from. That is my first and foremost preference.

And Timin203, you may be right about demo numbers. I have no idea.

predator on January 20, 2013 at 9:37 PM

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