About those gun show shootings…

posted at 2:01 pm on January 20, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

Following the events of Gun Appreciation Day, there was a cynical, yet almost gleeful tone being taken by certain gun rights opponents at the expense of several people who were injured. The headlines speak volumes without even digging into the nasty messages underneath. 5 People Shot at 3 Different Gun Shows on Gun Appreciation Day. Holy cow! Five people were gunned down? That’s awful! I’m sure you wouldn’t go and get all snarky about shooting victims though, would you?

If the gun advocates behind this year’s inaugural Gun Appreciation Day had hoped to use the day’s festivities to build support for their anti-regulation platform, they are going to have to wait another year.

There were more. Shots Fired on Gun Appreciation Day. The list goes on. Unfortunately for the ghoulish brigade, it didn’t take much reading to figure out that the actual stories were far different from how they were being portrayed in the headlines. The highly charged terms “people shot” and “shots fired” leave one with the impression that gun fights were breaking out among crazed second amendment supporters, blasting their way into or out of various buildings. The reality, as you have probably already guessed, was somewhat different. First, the North Carolina show.

A man identified as Gary Lynn Wilson, 36, of Wilmington, brought the 12-gauge shotgun to the show at the North Carolina State Fairgrounds and was attempting to remove it from its case when the weapon went off shortly after 1 p.m., police said.

Linwood Hester, 50, of Durham, was struck in the left hand by birdshot, according to Joel Keith, police chief with the state Department of Agriculture. The birdshot also struck a woman identified as Janet Hoover, 54, of Benson, and Jake Alderman, a retired sheriff’s deputy from Wake Forest who was working at the event.

The owner had stupidly not ensured the weapon was unloaded before bringing it out for safety inspection – before it got into the show. Three people took some bird shot with all being treated and released at a local facility on the same day.

The second incident, in Indianapolis, concerned a guy who accidentally shot himself with his new gun after leaving the gun show. The final one was in the Buckeye state.

And in Ohio, a gun dealer in Medina was checking out a semi-automatic handgun he had bought when he accidentally pulled the trigger, injuring his friend, police said. The gun’s magazine had been removed from the firearm, but one round remained in the chamber, police said.

There were no shooting sprees, no attacks, and no “assault weapons” or extended volume magazines involved. If this is proof of anything, it’s that when you get a large enough crowd of people together you will inevitably find a few who are either foolish or careless enough to make a mistake with gun safety rules. There are many things you can’t fix through legislative action, and stupidity is among them. But let’s not see people fooled by opportunists who want to use injuries to random show attendees as a cynical ploy to depict gun ownership in a false light.


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You’re a good example of the sort of idiot who shouldn’t be driving. Man, you are dumb.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 20, 2013 at 3:29 PM


You can’t fix stupid.

PolAgnostic on January 20, 2013 at 3:55 PM

Didn’t Hitler have a similar policy so they could round up the Jewish gun owners?

chewmeister on January 20, 2013 at 2:08 PM

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Yes and Hitler also was the first leader to support an interstate highway system. Notice how most freeways connect inner cities to the suburbs? Think about it.

bayam
on January 20, 2013 at 2:12 PM

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Interstate highway systems enable the common citizen to a greater degree of freedom.

Regulation and registration of firearms restricts freedom for the common citizen.

“Think about it.”

listens2glenn on January 20, 2013 at 3:56 PM

You can’t fix stupid.

PolAgnostic on January 20, 2013 at 3:55 PM

Yeah … but I forgot that these leftist tools want to restrict access to cars as much as guns. They hate cars for much the same reason they hate guns. The left wants to take away everyone’s car and force us all onto “public transportation” so that they can control our movement and freedom, while continuing their disingenuous and ridiculous whining about BS global warming and the like.

It’s always dangerous to engage in a race to the bottom with a leftist and I forgot about that. They just love to restrict everything that allows an individual to be independent of the state.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 20, 2013 at 4:01 PM

There are many things you can’t fix through legislative action, and stupidity is among them.

Which is exactly why access to guns needs to be restricted.

lostmotherland on January 20, 2013 at 3:25 PM

I didn’t want this epic stupidity to get lost on the previous page.

cozmo on January 20, 2013 at 4:02 PM

listens2glenn on January 20, 2013 at 3:56 PM

You beat me to it! By a mile. Good job.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 20, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Yes and Hitler also was the first leader to support an interstate highway system. Notice how most freeways connect inner cities to the suburbs? Think about it.

bayam on January 20, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Correct me if I’m wrong, but is not Germany 1 State?

Thusly, an Intra-State highway system was all he could support in the 1930′s.

jaydee_007 on January 20, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Yes and Hitler also was the first leader to support an interstate highway system.

bayam on January 20, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Actually, the Romans beat him by a couple thousand years.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 20, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Safer than Chicago on the same day…2 dead, 6 injured.

Maliciously, not accidentally.

ProfShadow on January 20, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Who the hell puts away a loaded gun in a carry case?

Somebody who knew it wasn’t loaded.

Socratease on January 20, 2013 at 3:06 PM

Thread winner!

iconoclast on January 20, 2013 at 4:12 PM

You can’t fix stupid.

PolAgnostic on January 20, 2013 at 3:55 PM

But, you can “accidentally” roll over it with your car.

Resist We Much on January 20, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Always glad when liberals show up to show us how really dumb they are.

darwin on January 20, 2013 at 2:35 PM

They’re not dumb, they’re stupid. And ignorant. And g*d d***ed LIARS!

HiJack on January 20, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Resist We Much on January 20, 2013 at 4:09 PM

You expose them better than all the rest of the media, for so much shame. I hope their heads get to go first.

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Tin hat firmly in place;

Every gun show I’ve been to in the last 25 years, had door guards that checked every incoming firearm to see if it was loaded, and for the last 18 years, they also ran a zip tie to keep the bolts open or revolver cylinders from closing , rotating etc, and if you took it off without permission/supervision, you would be kicked out of the show.

Now, suppose that ‘someone’ wanted to make gun sellers/ buyers look bad and surreptitiously set up situations increasing the likelihood of accidental discharges.

Yeah, there are some holes in this hypotheses, but I’ve been to a couple of hundred gun shows in my lifetime and never seen , heard or heard of an accidental discharge, even the ones with hordes of obvious ‘gang bangers’ invading the aisles. And even in the old days when the show officials weren’t doing safety checks.

LegendHasIt on January 20, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Safer than Chicago on the same day…2 dead, 6 injured.

Maliciously, not accidentally.

ProfShadow on January 20, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Tracked – on-going

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Which is exactly why access to guns needs to be restricted.

lostmotherland on January 20, 2013 at 3:25 PM

“The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed the subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty.” — Adolf Hitler

itsspideyman on January 20, 2013 at 4:21 PM

New York’s Magazine Ban: Unconstitutional?

Resist We Much on January 20, 2013 at 2:25 PM

I was wondering about that. Since banning magazines with more than seven rounds essentially bans most common handguns, it seems like the law is at significant risk of being ruled unconstitutional due to Heller.

Don’t ask me why NY wasn’t smart enough to distinguish between rifles and handguns in their laws about magazines. I can only suppose:

1) They were in too much of a hurry to think about it
2) They just didn’t care, as long as they can say they passed a law
3) They’re too ignorant of firearms to realize they were making a mistake

There Goes The Neighborhood on January 20, 2013 at 4:23 PM

“Think about it.”

listens2glenn on January 20, 2013 at 3:56 PM

You’re asking a lot of that one.

CW on January 20, 2013 at 4:26 PM

No one really understands the concept of leaving people alone anymore, inalienable rights to life, liberty and property, and the means to protect those become lost in the world of group think and bread and circus culture. There are 50 sovereign states, each with their own president(read Governor), who can at anytime tell the federal government to shove it. The President is an elected official a servant of the citizenry, as are all of congress, we are not servants to them, they are not our masters, people should not fear their government, government should fear its people!

MarshFox on January 20, 2013 at 4:29 PM

There Goes The Neighborhood on January 20, 2013 at 4:23 PM

It appears they didn’t even read it, which is how they made outlaws of policemen.

Resist We Much on January 20, 2013 at 4:32 PM

You expose them better than all the rest of the media, for so much shame. I hope their heads get to go first.

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2013 at 4:18 PM

I try. It’s on my blog and has been sent into the twitterverse.

Resist We Much on January 20, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Yes and Hitler also was the first leader to support an interstate highway system. Notice how most freeways connect inner cities to the suburbs? Think about it.

bayam on January 20, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Correct me if I’m wrong, but is not Germany 1 State?

Thusly, an Intra-State highway system was all he could support in the 1930′s.

jaydee_007 on January 20, 2013 at 4:06 PM

West Germany has 16 different “states,” which is why it was officially named the “Federal Republic of Germany.” But I don’t know the German government well enough to answer how equivalent they are to states in our nation.

And of course, the government under Hitler was quite different.

So I don’t know that the Autobahn could be compared to our interstate system. At any rate, it’s more accurate to say that our interstate system was modeled on the German Autobahn.

There Goes The Neighborhood on January 20, 2013 at 4:33 PM

RWM and Schadenfreude,
Years ago doing a paper for college I did research into repealing the 17th Amendment, it came in when old Wilson was doing his thing, there was much research that says that it may have shaky standing as being law, legal I mean, as in not ratified correctly, have either of you ever looked into that or know anything about its legal standing?

MarshFox on January 20, 2013 at 4:33 PM

“Think about it.”

listens2glenn
on January 20, 2013 at 3:56 PM

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You’re asking a lot of that one.

CW on January 20, 2013 at 4:26 PM

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Hard questions have to be asked, and hard counter-points made. : )

listens2glenn on January 20, 2013 at 4:36 PM

YAWN….nothing is getting banned.

TX-96 on January 20, 2013 at 4:40 PM

There Goes The Neighborhood on January 20, 2013 at 4:23 PM

It appears they didn’t even read it, which is how they made outlaws of policemen.

Resist We Much on January 20, 2013 at 4:32 PM

Too much of a hurry, then. Although, it seems to me the other options are also true. They were also ignorant and cared more about passing a law than about the law they passed.

There Goes The Neighborhood on January 20, 2013 at 4:41 PM

MarshFox on January 20, 2013 at 4:29 PM

That is a land that used to be. It was marvelous.

Legend, there is more truth than tin-hattery in your comment. Thanks for sharing.

RWM, I saw, and thanks for all you do. You do way, way, way more than just try. I hope the media’s heads combust, spontaneously, from dereliction of duty.

MF, I defer to the good RWM to answer your inquiry; then I’ll rejoice in reading it, appreciatively. Thanks for bringing it up.

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2013 at 4:43 PM

UPDATE: It turns out that it wasn’t a shotgun at the show in North Carolina and it wasn’t a member of the public.

It was a COP (most of whom I respect) who was clearing a gun that caused the accidental discharge, hitting two people.

SO, in that sense, more people were injured by government agents than by anyone else at all the gun shows, gatherings and shooting ranges throughout the country.

But will we see that get report corrected? Yeah, I didn’t think so either…breaks the narrative.

See: http://www.examiner.com/article/police-officer-accidentally-discharges-weapon-at-gun-show-raleigh-nc

ProfShadow on January 20, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Tin hat firmly in place;

Every gun show I’ve been to in the last 25 years, had door guards that checked every incoming firearm to see if it was loaded, and for the last 18 years, they also ran a zip tie to keep the bolts open or revolver cylinders from closing , rotating etc, and if you took it off without permission/supervision, you would be kicked out of the show.

Now, suppose that ‘someone’ wanted to make gun sellers/ buyers look bad and surreptitiously set up situations increasing the likelihood of accidental discharges.

Yeah, there are some holes in this hypotheses, but I’ve been to a couple of hundred gun shows in my lifetime and never seen , heard or heard of an accidental discharge, even the ones with hordes of obvious ‘gang bangers’ invading the aisles. And even in the old days when the show officials weren’t doing safety checks.

LegendHasIt on January 20, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Let’s just use the saying the Oppressives often like to use:

I question the timing.

Galt2009 on January 20, 2013 at 4:47 PM

And they learned exactly NADA.
Schadenfreude on January 20, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Which reminds me. NDAA still intact?

Cleombrotus on January 20, 2013 at 4:50 PM

There are many things you can’t fix through legislative action, and stupidity is among them.

Which is exactly why access to guns voting needs to be restricted.

lostmotherland on January 20, 2013 at 3:25 PM

FIFY.

Mimzey on January 20, 2013 at 5:01 PM

ProfShadow on January 20, 2013 at 4:43 PM

I’d like to know something about the cop. Political affiliation, personal views on gun ownership etc.
Just curious.

Mimzey on January 20, 2013 at 5:05 PM

That is a land that used to be. It was marvelous.

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2013 at 4:43 PM

These words come back to me every few weeks for the past 3 years:

“… Look for it only in books, for it is no more than a dream remembered. A Civilization gone with the wind… “

Greyledge Gal on January 20, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Which is exactly why access to guns needs to be restricted.

lostmotherland on January 20, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Why do you morons always talk like we don’t have any gun laws. Access to guns is already restricted. In many states it’s highly restricted (i.e., the murder capitals of the country).

It’s curious though that you want to restrict a woman’s choices regarding her health and safety and that of her family. Who in the hell are you to tell a woman what kind of gun she can own and how many bullets it can carry at one time?

gwelf on January 20, 2013 at 5:27 PM

*shakes head*
The last thing gun owners need is a bunch of negligent discharges. Not helping the cause at all.

Hill60 on January 20, 2013 at 5:34 PM

One point please: those guns DID NOT go off “accidentally”. Someone PULLED A TRIGGER.

And for those who would use these incidents as proof people shouldn’t own guns; the same might be said of some people who ‘drive’ cars. Or allegedly ‘raise’ children.

GarandFan on January 20, 2013 at 5:34 PM

We should definitely outlaw BBQs – just think of all those accidents that could be prevented!

OldEnglish on January 20, 2013 at 5:37 PM

YAWN….nothing is getting banned.
TX-96 on January 20, 2013 at 4:40 PM

The New Yorkers who have a year to get rid of their rifles and magazines or become criminals disagree.

jawkneemusic on January 20, 2013 at 5:38 PM

Interstate highway systems enable the common citizen to a greater degree of freedom.

Regulation and registration of firearms restricts freedom for the common citizen.

“Think about it.”

listens2glenn on January 20, 2013 at 3:56 PM

No, it’s because we’re apparently all a bunch of Hitler-loving nazis because we moved out to the suburbs and refused to stay in the ‘hood.

CurtZHP on January 20, 2013 at 5:44 PM

The left is waging a War On Independence.

jawkneemusic on January 20, 2013 at 5:50 PM

They hate guns, cars, school vouchers and private industry for the same reason. They all allow us the choice to be Independent.

jawkneemusic on January 20, 2013 at 5:53 PM

Restricting magazine capacity is an infringement upon my right to bear arms as It limits my effectiveness.

Taxes are an infringement on my right to own them. It is no different than a poll tax.

Licensing restrictions on dealers would limit the availability of ammunition as would any goverment controls put on ammunition manufacturers.

The 2nd Amendment does not say the right to keep and bear arms shall not be revoked, or should not be constricted. It says “shall not be infringed”, which means it shall not be frustrated or made difficult.

So I say we move to repeal all gun restrictions, opening the free market and ensuring a politer society of citizens.

Every single argument the worldcommies use to make voting as responsibility-free as possible should be utilized in the defense of weapon ownership.

ROCnPhilly on January 20, 2013 at 5:54 PM

If this is proof of anything, it’s that when you get a large enough crowd of people together you will inevitably find a few who are either foolish or careless enough to make a mistake with gun safety rules. There are many things you can’t fix through legislative action, and stupidity is among them.

but but jazz, I thought the claim was that if EVERYONE had a gun, we would all be safer.

The highly charged terms “people shot” and “shots fired” leave one with the impression that gun fights were breaking out among crazed second amendment supporters, blasting their way into or out of various buildings.

were ‘people shot’? were ‘shots fired’? oh but I guess there is a less sensational way of wording that, right jazz?

nonpartisan on January 20, 2013 at 6:02 PM

Which is why we have strict laws against drunk driving just like we need for gun ownership

DBear on January 20, 2013 at 2:21 PM

And how well did those strict laws work to prevent those 27 deaths, lefty?

F-

Try again.

Solaratov on January 20, 2013 at 6:04 PM

Greyledge Gal on January 20, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Reminds me of the scene between Maximus and Marcus Aurelius in the tent, when they were talking about the Republic. I think we all here need to remember that freedom isn’t free and that while posting our disdain for what is going on is great, the truth of keeping freedom is far worse than most could imagine, that reality may be a bit much for some here to handle. Like I said before, a few will suffer greatly, for the many to maintain their inalienable rights. 35 or so states are red, full red, yet we still suffer under the yoke of the elite who know far better than us how we should run our lives, will not those odds produce one Cincinnatus!

MarshFox on January 20, 2013 at 6:15 PM

But, you can “accidentally” roll over it with your car.

Resist We Much on January 20, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Or you can “accidentally” hip check it down a flight of stairs.

PolAgnostic on January 20, 2013 at 6:19 PM

yawner.

Tim_CA on January 20, 2013 at 6:24 PM

I’ve been to the Dixie show a number of times, and have bought firearms there. I’ve also gone in with firearms while searching for accessories and whatnot. There has never been a ‘safe area’ for clearing and securing weapons. It’s always done right there at the door as you enter. Not a good setup at all and I’m amazed there wasn’t more incidents over the years. Now, firearms are not allowed in to the Dixie show so if you go hoping to purchase a holster or something, better hope it fits.

DonB on January 20, 2013 at 6:24 PM

Which is why we have strict laws against drunk driving just like we need for gun ownership

PeDoBear

This is the kind of argument you come up with when you spend most of your time trying to think like a child.

xblade on January 20, 2013 at 6:30 PM

Outlaw all accidents.

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Now, why hasn’t anybody ever thought of that before?

One simple law…and all of our problems are solved. No more accidental shootings, no more car accidents, no falling off of ladders, no more “unintended” pregnancies. Hell. The list goes on and on.

We have to get started on this right away!

/s/ :)

Solaratov on January 20, 2013 at 6:35 PM

He also hated Jews just like the left.

jawkneemusic on January 20, 2013 at 2:17 PM

But, many of the movers and shakers on the left are Jewish. Saul Alinsky, David A$$holerod, Barbara Boxer, Diane Feinstein, Chuckie Schumer,etc. aren’t/weren’t Italian.

bw222 on January 20, 2013 at 6:39 PM

Resist We Much on January 20, 2013 at 3:06 PM

Reminds me of when Major Frank Burns received a Purple Heart for getting a shell fragment in his eye.

It was from a boiled egg he was having for breakfast.

davidk on January 20, 2013 at 6:41 PM

nonpartisan on January 20, 2013 at 6:02 PM

You said ‘everyone’. We say more ‘trained’ and ‘responsible’.

Your stupid is showing.

jawkneemusic on January 20, 2013 at 6:42 PM

Did Kerry shoot himself? If so, then the guys injured at the gun show should get Purple Hearts, too. /

Resist We Much on January 20, 2013 at 3:06 PM

Hey, now! Jawn Kerree spent Christmas 1968 in Cambodia on direct orders from Pres. Richard Nixon.

He has the hat to prove it.

lol :) lol

Solaratov on January 20, 2013 at 6:43 PM

YAWN….nothing is getting banned.

TX-96 on January 20, 2013 at 4:40 PM

It is because we are not yawning that, hopefully, there won’t be a ban.

davidk on January 20, 2013 at 6:43 PM

No one really understands the concept of leaving people alone anymore, … .

MarshFox on January 20, 2013 at 4:29 PM

That is all I really want. Just leave me alone.

davidk on January 20, 2013 at 6:45 PM

Hey, now! Jawn Kerree spent Christmas 1968 in Cambodia on direct orders from Pres. Richard Nixon.

He has the hat to prove it.

lol :) lol

lolz. Somebody needs to tell him that President Lyndon Johnson sent him on that imaginary patrol in Cambodia. /

Resist We Much on January 20, 2013 at 6:48 PM

Axelrod: Obama’s second-term priorities include more than just fiscal crises, you know

Destruction of the US as constituted requires more than just “creating” a new communist economy you know. Destruction of individual freedoms is also needed,
.

AZfederalist on January 20, 2013 at 6:48 PM

But, many of the movers and shakers on the left are Jewish. Saul Alinsky, David A$$holerod, Barbara Boxer, Diane Feinstein, Chuckie Schumer,etc. aren’t/weren’t Italian.
bw222 on January 20, 2013 at 6:39 PM

They’re Jewishness is nothing but lip service for those who pretend to care about Israel. Their religion is leftism. Not Judaism.

jawkneemusic on January 20, 2013 at 6:49 PM

http://crimeinchicago.blogspot.com/

davidk on January 20, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Fineswine admitting in 1995 that she would have banned and confiscated EVERY firearm is she could have got 51 votes in the senate in ’94

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=blXkl9YVoHo

rayra on January 20, 2013 at 6:51 PM

At any rate, it’s more accurate to say that our interstate system was modeled on the German Autobahn.

There Goes The Neighborhood on January 20, 2013 at 4:33 PM

And for, basically, the same reason ; the swift, efficient movement of military equipment and units around the country. You’ll note that the weight limits on bridges and overpasses go up occasionally. Compare those limits and their raises with the increase in weight of main battle tanks.

Solaratov on January 20, 2013 at 6:57 PM

nonpartisan on January 20, 2013 at 6:02 PM

You’re an idiot.

Solaratov on January 20, 2013 at 7:02 PM

Three idiots who failed several safe gun handling rules, dumbasses.

jnelchef on January 20, 2013 at 7:04 PM

oh but I guess there is a less sensational way of wording that, right jazz?

nonpartisan on January 20, 2013 at 6:02 PM

So do you mean something like “terminate the pregnancy” instead of “crush the baby’s skull with pincers and suck the parts out with a vacuum tube”?

Nutstuyu on January 20, 2013 at 7:06 PM

That is all I really want. Just leave me alone.

davidk on January 20, 2013 at 6:45 PM

Actually, the proper phrasing is “Leave me the fluke alone, stupid motherflucker.”

Nutstuyu on January 20, 2013 at 7:11 PM

nonpartisan on January 20, 2013 at 6:02 PM

Why did you choose a Screen Name that was a lie?

jaydee_007 on January 20, 2013 at 7:17 PM

nonpartisan on January 20, 2013 at 6:02 PM

You’re an idiot.

Solaratov on January 20, 2013 at 7:02 PM

You’re just now figuring that out?

cozmo on January 20, 2013 at 7:18 PM

were ‘people shot’? were ‘shots fired’? oh but I guess there is a less sensational way of wording that, right jazz?

nonpartisan on January 20, 2013 at 6:02 PM

Not in the context of the way it was written.

There is a difference between being struck by a bullet (or pieces of shot) that being shot.

As I said before, accidental discharge is NOT as Shooting.

It’s like saying someone run over by an unattended car rolling down hill is a “hit and run.”

jaydee_007 on January 20, 2013 at 7:20 PM

Why did you choose a Screen Name that was a lie?

jaydee_007 on January 20, 2013 at 7:17 PM

just like inthemiddle, can.i.be.in.the.middle, justthefacts.

Prime example of Dunning-Kruger.

Just a gang of imbecilic reprobate leftists.

tom daschle concerned on January 20, 2013 at 7:20 PM

were ‘people shot’? were ‘shots fired’? oh but I guess there is a less sensational way of wording that, right jazz?

nonpartisan on January 20, 2013 at 6:02 PM

I might also add you are playing the same Juvinile game the MSM plays with what is known as Falacy of Incident.

Someone says George W. Bush practices Animal Sacrifice in his basement.

The MSM Reports “Sourced Claim George W. Bush practices Animal Sacrifice in his basement.”

When it is Proven Absolutly that no such thing happens (because George W. Bush doesn’t have a Basement) the MSM will tell you their report was Accurate because “Someone Did Say That.”

jaydee_007 on January 20, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Nonpartisan:

Still waiting on that explanation of how tracking ammunition that has been involved in criminal activities will prevent a bullet once fired from harming the person of another.

Remember: I am have a patent on “The Wishful Thinking Unicornikevlar Bullet Shield©.” which I have yet released on the market.

It’s been about a week now. Surely, you’ve come with some ass-saving suggestions in that time.

Resist We Much on January 20, 2013 at 7:34 PM

were ‘people shot’? were ‘shots fired’? oh but I guess there is a less sensational way of wording that, right jazz?

nonpartisan on January 20, 2013 at 6:02 PM

You do realize that the Raleigh incident was caused by a police officer clearing the shotgun prior to it going into the show.

RickB on January 20, 2013 at 7:47 PM

were ‘people shot’? were ‘shots fired’? oh but I guess there is a less sensational way of wording that, right jazz?

nonpartisan on January 20, 2013 at 6:02 PM

You’re foolish and toolish. Really you don’t see how it was spun to make it look like there were gunfights? Really? Oh please FO.

CW on January 20, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Three idiots who failed several safe gun handling rules, dumbasses.

jnelchef on January 20, 2013 at 7:04 PM

True. That’s why I could support mandatory firearm training in schools. Teaching kids to safely use and respect guns would probably be well worth the effort and if done properly would also be a great lesson in personal responsibility. IMHO.

mike_NC9 on January 20, 2013 at 7:52 PM

The highly charged terms “people shot” and “shots fired” leave one with the impression that gun fights were breaking out among crazed second amendment supporters, blasting their way into or out of various buildings.

Um, not really. In fact, a big part of the argument put forth by gun-control advocates is that if there are less guns, there are less accidental deaths like this one.

They should cite this post in the dictionary entry for “straw man argument.”

Tom_Shipley on January 20, 2013 at 8:22 PM

You’ll never take the guns you stupid freaking leftist.

Bmore on January 20, 2013 at 8:25 PM

There are many things you can’t fix through legislative action, and stupidity is among them.

Which is exactly why access to guns needs to be restricted.

lostmotherland on January 20, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Which is exactly why access to political office needs restricted, right? Let’s start by restricting those who lie about upholding and defending the Constitution… of course that would be most liberal politicians…

dominigan on January 20, 2013 at 8:27 PM

As I said before, accidental discharge is NOT as Shooting.

I’m sure your semantics will mean a lot to this family.

I’ll leave it to you to write a letter to let the Digital Journal know they used the word “shooting” incorrectly.

Tom_Shipley on January 20, 2013 at 8:29 PM

Yes and Hitler also was the first leader to support an interstate highway system. Notice how most freeways connect inner cities to the suburbs? Think about it.

bayam on January 20, 2013 at 2:12 PM

He also breathed oxygen. So, what are you still doing respirating?

All that press about less than a handful of dumdums.

Shy Guy on January 20, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Ideally, they will prosecute the dummy who actually hurt someone.

Ball Type Military rounds are NOT specailly designed to kill!

jaydee_007 on January 20, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Well, no, they aren’t *specially* designed to kill. That’s sort of a basic assumption about ammunition.

GWB on January 20, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Bite me.

Bmore on January 20, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Yes and Hitler also was the first leader to support an interstate highway system. Notice how most freeways connect inner cities to the suburbs? Think about it.

bayam on January 20, 2013 at 2:12 PM

One would have increased freedom. The other certainly decreased freedom for those targeted by the Nazis.

The Second Amendment is not designed to protect those who want to hunt — although it does as a side effect of its existance. It is designed to protect the freedom of the American people as a whole by assuring that each has the right to be as well armed as any individual — or army — that might try to invade their homes and communities.

Indeed, the Second Amendment puts no onus — no requirements for training or licensing, etc. — on those bearing arms, but an extreme amount of weight on those government entities — at every level, from the federal to the local — which think to restrict gun ownership rights.

And why would a government seek to disarm its citizens?

That’s the point about Hitler — it’s how he started.

unclesmrgol on January 20, 2013 at 8:39 PM

Morons. Always check your weapon. Even when you know it’s not loaded.

jawkneemusic on January 20, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Guns are always loaded.

katy the mean old lady on January 20, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Um, not really. In fact, a big part of the argument put forth by gun-control advocates is that if there are less guns, there are less accidental deaths like this one.

They should cite this post in the dictionary entry for “straw man argument.”

Tom_Shipley on January 20, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Ditto for your comment. Let’s try applying the same reasoning you just applied (proof by example) to automobile fatalities among teenagers as opposed to gun fatalities.

I personally know no teenagers killed by gun, but, on the other hand, I know three (may they rest in peace) killed by car.

So, in my proof by example, you are infinitely more likely to be killed by a car as by a gun.

unclesmrgol on January 20, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Quit hunting in 1968 when a deer crossed away from me between me and my friends, they opened fire at the deer while slugs surrounded me and I hit the dirt. Nobody hurt but too close for me and I quit hunting on the spot. It was stupid, very stupid. As careful as you can be there’s always that chance of something happening that’s impossible to reverse.

mixplix on January 20, 2013 at 9:01 PM

So, in my proof by example, you are infinitely more likely to be killed by a car as by a gun.

Right, but cars have an invaluable purpose–to help people get from one point to another faster.

Guns only purpose are to kill. It’s their raison d’être. Now you could say, their purpose is to deter or to maim, etc… but, the reality is, they are made an manufactured so they will kill a person or animal.

Take away cars and our economy collapses. Plain and simple. Take away semi-automatic weapons and large capacity clips (which is what most gun control advocates are proposing) and what happens?

Seriously, I’d like to know.

Tom_Shipley on January 20, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Why did you choose a Screen Name that was a lie?

jaydee_007 on January 20, 2013 at 7:17 PM

It’s not a lie at all. I am not a democrat nor a republican. I hold both liberal (abortion, gun control) and conservative beliefs (such as immigration, entitlement reform, taxes). Hence, I am non-partisan. I would gladly vote for Chris Christie over a Hilary or a Biden for example.

nonpartisan on January 20, 2013 at 9:09 PM

Take away cars and our economy collapses. Plain and simple. Take away semi-automatic weapons and large capacity clips (which is what most gun control advocates are proposing) and what happens?

Seriously, I’d like to know.

Tom_Shipley on January 20, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Seriously? You are not that dimd. The ultimate goal is abolish the 2nd Ammendment. If you can’t see that, then you are not dealing with reality.

As for why and what would happen? Totalitarianism.

davidk on January 20, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Hence, I am non-partisan. I would gladly vote for Chris Christie over a Hilary or a Biden for example.

nonpartisan on January 20, 2013 at 9:09 PM

With that statement your argument self-destructs.

davidk on January 20, 2013 at 9:11 PM

Guns are always loaded.

katy the mean old lady on January 20, 2013 at 8:42 PM

This!

And like I told the kid being stupid with a BB gun, “Never point a gun at anything unless you intend to kill it.”

davidk on January 20, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Tom_Shipley on January 20, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Ah, the oh-so-always-erudite Mr. Shipley.

There were guns bef. there were cars, and there was freedom.

There will be guns or there will be NO freedom in the US.

There is no 2nd in Australia and all over Europe, and look at the sheeple.

Yes, you can shove your socialism where the sun don’t shine, always.

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2013 at 9:17 PM

Take away semi-automatic weapons and large capacity clips (which is what most gun control advocates are proposing) and what happens?

Seriously, I’d like to know.

Tom_Shipley on January 20, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Well, since it is unConstitutional, I guess all who try will be arrested, if they aren’t shot during the robbery attempt.

ROCnPhilly on January 20, 2013 at 9:18 PM

nonpartisan on January 20, 2013 at 9:09 PM

So, if you are liberal on abortion, then me having my guns shouldn’t be a problem then should it. I mean lets face it, if this is really for the kids and their safety, then the president should go back and reverse his decision on late term abortions where a child is pulled almost all the way out and then scull crushed in and brains sucked in, happens all the time but no one seems to be rushing to get children around them and write letters to please stop abortions or it might be them. So tell me how is the protector of children really protecting children?

MarshFox on January 20, 2013 at 9:26 PM

….large capacity clips (which is what most gun control advocates are proposing) and what happens?
Seriously, I’d like to know.
Tom_Shipley on January 20, 2013 at 9:04 PM

You do know the actual reason for the 2nd Amendment, do you not?

LegendHasIt on January 20, 2013 at 9:53 PM

That stupid chillbilly:

And by the way, [with] health care being so big in D.C. right now, be wary when some kind of tie-in occurs. Because it will crop up: a tie-in with guns in an attempt to take away our rights under the guise of some new health care plan. You know that this is coming–that the two issues will somehow crop up and they’ll be tied together. So we have to be very wary of that.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/18/Shotcaller-Palin-Called-It

‘Cuda/2016

davidk on January 20, 2013 at 9:55 PM

Take away cars and our economy collapses. Plain and simple. Take away semi-automatic weapons and large capacity clips (which is what most gun control advocates are proposing) and what happens?

Seriously, I’d like to know.

Tom_Shipley on January 20, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Walls will get a workout.

And go to hell. Your concern doesn’t trump our natural rights.

tom daschle concerned on January 20, 2013 at 9:56 PM

Take away cars and our economy collapses. Plain and simple. Take away semi-automatic weapons and large capacity clips (which is what most gun control advocates are proposing) and what happens?

Seriously, I’d like to know.

Tom_Shipley on January 20, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Then we proceed down the same path as Nazi Germany, Communist Russia, Pol Pot Regime in Cambodia, Mao’s “cultural revolution” in China, and so on – where any and all dissidentsor “enemies of the state” were extermintated.
It’s really just a very simple history lesson.

“Those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it”

dentarthurdent on January 20, 2013 at 10:16 PM

Take away cars and our economy collapses. Plain and simple. Take away semi-automatic weapons and large capacity clips (which is what most gun control advocates are proposing) and what happens?

Seriously, I’d like to know.

Tom_Shipley on January 20, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Then we proceed down the same path as Nazi Germany, Communist Russia, Pol Pot Regime in Cambodia, Mao’s “cultural revolution” in China, and so on – where any and all dissidentsor “enemies of the state” were extermintated.
It’s really just a very simple history lesson.

“Those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it”

dentarthurdent on January 20, 2013 at 10:16 PM

Oh ya – and crime runs rampant for awhile because criminals will still have gun but law-abiding citizens will not. This will give the ruling class a handy excuse for martial law and the ensuing path described above.

dentarthurdent on January 20, 2013 at 10:17 PM

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