About those gun show shootings…

posted at 2:01 pm on January 20, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

Following the events of Gun Appreciation Day, there was a cynical, yet almost gleeful tone being taken by certain gun rights opponents at the expense of several people who were injured. The headlines speak volumes without even digging into the nasty messages underneath. 5 People Shot at 3 Different Gun Shows on Gun Appreciation Day. Holy cow! Five people were gunned down? That’s awful! I’m sure you wouldn’t go and get all snarky about shooting victims though, would you?

If the gun advocates behind this year’s inaugural Gun Appreciation Day had hoped to use the day’s festivities to build support for their anti-regulation platform, they are going to have to wait another year.

There were more. Shots Fired on Gun Appreciation Day. The list goes on. Unfortunately for the ghoulish brigade, it didn’t take much reading to figure out that the actual stories were far different from how they were being portrayed in the headlines. The highly charged terms “people shot” and “shots fired” leave one with the impression that gun fights were breaking out among crazed second amendment supporters, blasting their way into or out of various buildings. The reality, as you have probably already guessed, was somewhat different. First, the North Carolina show.

A man identified as Gary Lynn Wilson, 36, of Wilmington, brought the 12-gauge shotgun to the show at the North Carolina State Fairgrounds and was attempting to remove it from its case when the weapon went off shortly after 1 p.m., police said.

Linwood Hester, 50, of Durham, was struck in the left hand by birdshot, according to Joel Keith, police chief with the state Department of Agriculture. The birdshot also struck a woman identified as Janet Hoover, 54, of Benson, and Jake Alderman, a retired sheriff’s deputy from Wake Forest who was working at the event.

The owner had stupidly not ensured the weapon was unloaded before bringing it out for safety inspection – before it got into the show. Three people took some bird shot with all being treated and released at a local facility on the same day.

The second incident, in Indianapolis, concerned a guy who accidentally shot himself with his new gun after leaving the gun show. The final one was in the Buckeye state.

And in Ohio, a gun dealer in Medina was checking out a semi-automatic handgun he had bought when he accidentally pulled the trigger, injuring his friend, police said. The gun’s magazine had been removed from the firearm, but one round remained in the chamber, police said.

There were no shooting sprees, no attacks, and no “assault weapons” or extended volume magazines involved. If this is proof of anything, it’s that when you get a large enough crowd of people together you will inevitably find a few who are either foolish or careless enough to make a mistake with gun safety rules. There are many things you can’t fix through legislative action, and stupidity is among them. But let’s not see people fooled by opportunists who want to use injuries to random show attendees as a cynical ploy to depict gun ownership in a false light.


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Facts don`t matter for the left. It`s a carefully constructed narrative that does.

ThePrez on January 20, 2013 at 2:05 PM

On free people and sheeple

“The German minister of interior promised to guarantee a very high level of security of the data, so for us it’s not a problem,” said Frank Goepper, the general manager of Forum Waffenrecht, one of Germany’s main gun rights groups.

“We are used to it,” Goepper said of German regulations, which are significantly stricter than in the United States. “We are able to go hunting with it. We are able to do our sports with it. So it works.”

Now, German law enforcement agencies know that there are 5.5 million legally registered guns in their country of 80 million people. Law enforcement officials say the gun database will help them quickly trace ownership if they find a legally registered gun connected to a crime. If they are preparing a raid on a house, they can scout the address in the database to be better prepared for what weapons might lie within. Before the database, they could only guess at overall numbers, and finding the weapons registered to a certain address had been laborious.

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Imagine that a bunch of people who are panicked, seldom handle their guns, and looking hard for weaponry the King wants banned are making errors, the law enforcement tasked with checking people’s weapons on the way in in some cases missing or waving folks through.

I’m dying to know why the average gun owner must be more competent with their firearms than the President is with foreign policy?

harlekwin15 on January 20, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Germany and Australia don’t have a 2nd Amendment. Read this article and think about it, in all earnest. What fools live in the world, what sheep of the first rate, for so much shame.

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Didn’t Hitler have a similar policy so they could round up the Jewish gun owners?

chewmeister on January 20, 2013 at 2:08 PM

About those gun show shootings…

…where?…in Algeria? …or Bengahzi?

KOOLAID2 on January 20, 2013 at 2:09 PM

chewmeister on January 20, 2013 at 2:08 PM

And they learned exactly NADA.

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Morons. Always check your weapon. Even when you know it’s not loaded.

jawkneemusic on January 20, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Proves the adage that there’s always a careless individual in every crowd, these three proved it while others lucked out in not causing an incident. But carelessness does not equal malice which is the case in every murder.

AH_C on January 20, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Don’t let this gun show thingie deter from the main gun-grabbing drive.

Don’t be deterred. Focus. They are after your freedom. Period.

They feed on children’s carrion.

Focus, focus, focus, or else you will not be free much longer.

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2013 at 2:11 PM

One has to wonder if this wasn’t done on purpose by someone who want’s to see to it that gun show’s are ‘bad’? I do not trust things like this coming out now that bho is gung ho on his gun issues?
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letget on January 20, 2013 at 2:11 PM

And they learned exactly NADA.

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Worse we unlearned the lesson evidently.

harlekwin15 on January 20, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Didn’t Hitler have a similar policy so they could round up the Jewish gun owners?

chewmeister on January 20, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Yes and Hitler also was the first leader to support an interstate highway system. Notice how most freeways connect inner cities to the suburbs? Think about it.

bayam on January 20, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Why don’t we know more about Adam Lanza?

Because he was a communist with a cause.

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2013 at 2:12 PM

This is from the fact that a LOT of people are now showing interest in guns, simply because they fear losing access to them, people who know NOTHING about them and aren’t taking the time to learn.

Fortunately, all were minor injuries and hopefully learning experiences for the ignorant people involved.

michaelo on January 20, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Worse we unlearned the lesson evidently.

harlekwin15 on January 20, 2013 at 2:12 PM

The US ‘leaders’ learned the lessons they wanted to apply.

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Man the cry for more gun control is strong in that link Jazz… its just scarry.

watertown on January 20, 2013 at 2:15 PM

oh the irony!

DBear on January 20, 2013 at 2:16 PM

bayam on January 20, 2013 at 2:12 PM

He also hated Jews just like the left.

jawkneemusic on January 20, 2013 at 2:17 PM

O/T Rand is spouting his mouth off. Thinks that the GOP should evolve, adapt. Should be more libertarian republican, and then continues with his pappys foreign policy. In guarded language, ofcourse. He’ll enter the primaries, try to balance the views of the Paulians with the mainstream GOP, and fail. Many here pin their hopes on him. Don’t. He’ll never sacrifice his pappys base thats given them millions. He’ll just try to balance it out. The mainstream GOP’ers will see through his facade.

tommy71 on January 20, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Obama’s AmeriKa

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2013 at 2:17 PM

In other lesser reported news… there were approximately 27 By Auto w/Alcohol Related Deaths in America on the same day.

RalphyBoy on January 20, 2013 at 2:17 PM

oh the irony!

DBear on January 20, 2013 at 2:16 PM

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2013 at 2:18 PM

All that press about less than a handful of dumdums.

Shy Guy on January 20, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Obviously, these incidents were the results of Operator Error due to not obeying the first law of gun safety. Like it or not, you can be as stupid as you want in this country. Although they do not have the market cornered, how else do you explain liberals?

ghostwalker1 on January 20, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Will we get someone to find out ‘who’ these shooter are and ‘who’ they voted for? I would think this might give us a clue what happened and if legit?
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letget on January 20, 2013 at 2:20 PM

oh the irony!

DBear on January 20, 2013 at 2:16 PM

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2013 at 2:20 PM

In other lesser reported news… there were approximately 27 By Auto w/Alcohol Related Deaths in America on the same day.

RalphyBoy on January 20, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Which is why we have strict laws against drunk driving just like we need for gun ownership

DBear on January 20, 2013 at 2:21 PM

oh the irony!

DBear on January 20, 2013 at 2:16 PM

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2013 at 2:21 PM

The prog troll bayam arrives. Lol

tommy71 on January 20, 2013 at 2:21 PM

I wonder how many people were intentionally shot in Chicago the same day with illegally-possessed firearms loaded with banned magazines.

Liam on January 20, 2013 at 2:22 PM

The prog troll bayam arrives. Lol
tommy71 on January 20, 2013 at 2:21 PM

At least bayam is readable. DBear is an absolute waste of space.

jawkneemusic on January 20, 2013 at 2:23 PM

DBear, the prog, is here too. And still can’t see the 2nd. Poor them.

tommy71 on January 20, 2013 at 2:24 PM

In other lesser reported news… there were approximately 27 By Auto w/Alcohol Related Deaths in America on the same day.

RalphyBoy on January 20, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Which is why we have strict laws against drunk driving just like we need for gun ownership

DBear on January 20, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Yes, because those strict laws ‘prevented’ automobiles from getting into the hands of inebriated people, right? Never mind that there are already strict gun laws in place.

ghostwalker1 on January 20, 2013 at 2:24 PM

Agenda-driven news… good thing we have Hollywood on our side.

MT on January 20, 2013 at 2:24 PM

Yes and Hitler also was the first leader to support an interstate highway system. Notice how most freeways connect inner cities to the suburbs? Think about it.

bayam on January 20, 2013 at 2:12 PM

What you using another logical fallacy? Really?

CW on January 20, 2013 at 2:26 PM

I recall hearing that the majority of hunting accidents are hunters falling out of trees.
So not always the gun mishaps causing harm.

verbaluce on January 20, 2013 at 2:27 PM

just like we need for gun ownership

DBear on January 20, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Please expand and concentrate on the “just like”.

This should be good.

CW on January 20, 2013 at 2:27 PM

oh the irony!

DBear on January 20, 2013 at 2:16 PM

Tiny Dancing Bear

Hopenchange crazy, Obama baby, foot soldier for the man
Mesmerised, spellbound smile, you’ll cede your freedoms to your man
Obamarina, you must have seen him swaying in the stands
And, now, he’s jobless, always indebted, a tiny puppet in His hand

Obamafreaks out in the street
Handing tickets out for ObamaGod
Twirling ’round, they faint, cry and laugh
Bankruptcy Boulevard, you see, is not that bad

Empty Chair, He makes his stand
In the auditorium
Looking on, he chants the mantra-songs
The words, he knows. “Yes, We Can!” he hums.

But, oh, how it feels so real
Lying though, Empty Chair says what they want to hear
Only He, He intones, can lower the oceans and hear thee
And, when He says softly, slowly

Hold me closer, Obamarina
Count the votes on the electoral highway
Pay my campaign down to your last penny
I’ve had a busy day, today

Hopenchange crazy, Obama baby, foot soldier for the man
Mesmerised, spellbound smile, you’ll cede your freedom to your man
Obamarina, you prayed to see Him, as you were swaying in the stands
And, now, your jobless, always indebted, a tiny puppet in His hand

Resist We Much on January 20, 2013 at 2:28 PM

This entire Gun Appreciation Day was a s–t show. It was poorly promoted, resulting in low turnout. And now the events have been marred by three separate irresponsible gun-handling incidents.

Outlander on January 20, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Germany and Australia don’t have a 2nd Amendment. Read this article and think about it, in all earnest. What fools live in the world, what sheep of the first rate, for so much shame.
Schadenfreude on January 20, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Yet most of the gun crimes that the Germans investigate will be of guns that never were nor will be in their database. These unregistered guns nowadays come from former Warsaw Pact countries.

Back in the heyday of the Wall coming down, I’d wager millions of weapons went into the black market from the Russian soldiers and their associates before they finally redeployed to the motherland. I’ve bought my share of Russian military collectibles from the soldiers in Berlin and without fail every contact also offered guns. In retrospect, I should have snapped up a ceremonial sword when I had the chance, I just didn’t think it was worth $300 DM — oh well.

AH_C on January 20, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Which is why we have strict laws against drunk driving just like we need for gun ownership
DBear on January 20, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Infringing on my right to own an AR15 is like making it harder for non drinkers to buy cars because of the actions of drunk drivers.

Try any harder and your head might explode. Your stupid is showing again.

jawkneemusic on January 20, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Hmm….. more and more prog trolls are joining this thread. I’ll depend on the Prog Slayers (HotGas has many) to put them in their place. Lol. *poof*

tommy71 on January 20, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Which is why we have strict laws against drunk driving just like we need for gun ownership

DBear on January 20, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Actually, we don’t have strict drunk driving laws. DUI offenders get no jail time, only modest fines, and a temporary (1 year) restriction on their driver’s licenses. If they violate their restrictions, it’s considered driving under suspension–another misdemeanor. And if they kill someone while drunk, it’s vehicular homicide, which may get them 2-5 years.

However, in most states, if you commit a crime while in possession of a gun, it’s a mandatory increase in your criminal penalty. And, once you have committed any felony or certain types of misdemeanors, you permanently lose your right to have a gun. If you are caught possessing a firearm as a convicted felon, you can be thrown in the federal pen for 10 years.

Try again!

Outlander on January 20, 2013 at 2:35 PM

Hmm….. more and more prog trolls are joining this thread. I’ll depend on the Prog Slayers (HotGas has many) to put them in their place. Lol. *poof*

tommy71 on January 20, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Funny the trolls were smart enough to stay away from the Nagin post.

CW on January 20, 2013 at 2:35 PM

Which is why we have strict laws against drunk driving just like we need for gun ownership

DBear on January 20, 2013 at 2:21 PM

^^^ Always glad when liberals show up to show us how really dumb they are.

darwin on January 20, 2013 at 2:35 PM

Funny the trolls were smart embarrassed enough to stay away from the Nagin post.

CW on January 20, 2013 at 2:35 PM

They hate being on the receiving end in their endless game of “Gotcha!”

Liam on January 20, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Which is why we have strict laws against drunk driving just like we need for gun ownership

DBear on January 20, 2013 at 2:21 PM

^^^ Always glad when liberals show up to show us how really dumb they are.

darwin on January 20, 2013 at 2:35 PM

Which is why I am sure dBear will tell us how his laws would have prevented those three accidents yesterday…this should be good.

CW on January 20, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Yes and Hitler also was the first leader to support an interstate highway system. Notice how most freeways connect inner cities to the suburbs? Think about it.
bayam on January 20, 2013 at 2:12 PM

The better to move troops around quicker, the better to expedite supply logistics and to use as emergency landing strips for planes in distress. Improving personal travel was just a trickle down benefit for the masses and useful propaganda to reassure Europe that they weren’t demobilizing their military complex. Think deeper.

AH_C on January 20, 2013 at 2:39 PM

Morons. Always check your weapon. Even when you know it’s not loaded.

jawkneemusic on January 20, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Yes, it’s really not that difficult.

Four letters: L P T T

Four words:
Loaded
Point
Trigger
Target

Four Rules:
Treat EVERY firearm as if it is Loaded.
NEVER Point the muzzle at anything you are not willing to destroy.
Keep your finger OFF the Trigger until ready to fire.
Know your Target and what is beyond it.

climbnjump on January 20, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Jazz, this is a pretty weak post. Sure, go ahead and point out that these gun accidents were overblown with misleading headlines and reporting. But I think you take things too far in pointing out these accidents are the results of stupid people with guns Government can’t outlaw stupidity. You’re right. But they can try and outlaw guns.

Scopper on January 20, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Dear Mainstream Media;

A Clip is NOT a Magazine!
A Semi Automatic weapon is NOT capable of Fully Automatic Fire!
Ball Type Military rounds are NOT specailly designed to kill!

And now, you need to learn that
An Accidental Discharge is NOT a shooting!

jaydee_007 on January 20, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Let’s put this in perspective – let’s Google:

police officer accidentally shoots self

About 3,290,000 results (0.27 seconds)

The answer is: those most likely to accidentally shoot themselves are police officers. This isn’t news to LEO’s by the way. Many officers have complained their departments do not provide adequate training and skills maintenance with firearms. So you could say …

If we want to cut down on gun violence, perhaps we should disarm the police?

/sarc

Except, it isn’t funny when you try to find out how many times ANY police department has an ‘unjustified shooting’ … because despite ” … a provision in the 1994 Crime Control Act requiring the Attorney General to collect the data and publish an annual report on them, statistics on police shootings and use of nondeadly force continue to be piecemeal products of spotty collection, and are dependent on the cooperation of local police departments. No comprehensive accounting for all of the nation’s 17,000 police department exists.”

When the Police Shoot, Who’s Counting?
by Fox Butterfield
Published on Sunday, April 29, 2001 in the New York Times
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0429-02.htm

Hmmmm, I wonder when the NYT will be running a follow up piece?

Point of clarification: I am not trying to put forward that LEO’s are engaged in a massive cover-up – though I won’t make the same statement with regard to the police chiefs. I view 95% of LEO’s as hard working people doing a generally thankless job. My issue is the lack of training and firearm skills maintenance training provided to all but a few elite squads in the LEO universe. If you do not properly train and maintain LEO’s skills with regard to shooting situations, you should not be surprised if you are unhappy with the results.

PolAgnostic on January 20, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Yes, it’s really not that difficult.

Four letters: L P T T

Four words:
Loaded
Point
Trigger
Target

Four Rules:
Treat EVERY firearm as if it is Loaded.
NEVER Point the muzzle at anything you are not willing to destroy.
Keep your finger OFF the Trigger until ready to fire.
Know your Target and what is beyond it.

climbnjump on January 20, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Seems to me , if the left is serious, they should have a gun education class right after sex ed.

CW on January 20, 2013 at 2:43 PM

The real irony is the lefts attempt to ban guns causes people to rush out and buy them and that will include morons who don’t know how to handle a weapon so these accidents aren’t surprising.

jawkneemusic on January 20, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Which is why we have strict laws against drunk driving just like we need for gun ownership

DBear on January 20, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Too funny.

Fields-Hall was the 28th person killed in Chicago this year. Alexander was the 29th. They were among at least eleven people shot Friday afternoon into Saturday morning across the city.

In the other shootings:

• A 35-year-old man told police he “heard shots and felt pain” when someone shot him just before 4 a.m. Saturday morning in the 1600 block of North Sawyer Avenue, police said. The man, who police said was a gang member, was taken from the Logan Square crime scene to Stroger Hospital in stable condition with a gunshot wound to the arm, police said.

The victim had been paroled in 2011 after having served about 18 years in prison on first degree murder charges filed in 1993, when he was 16, according to state records. Police said he is a gang member who was shot at by the passenger in a white vehicle that approached him from the south as he tried to get into his car.

• About 11:35 p.m. Friday, a 26-year-old man was shot in the leg in the 4400 block of South Washtenaw Avenue in the Brighton Park neighborhood on the Southwest Side, Greer said. He was taken to Mount Sinai Hospital in good condition.

Do you see liar DBear screaming about those?

Do you see liar DBear screaming that gangbangers should be punished?

Do you see liar DBear demanding that Obama law enforcement punish and go after guns owned by the Obama gangbanging base?

Nope.

“Strict laws”, indeed. Just look at the EXISTING laws that the liar and pig DBear won’t enforce.

So that’s the answer. Liar and pig DBear is a coward gun-grabber who expects law-abiding people to hand over their weapons when the liar and pig DBear won’t do the same for Obama-supporting criminals.

northdallasthirty on January 20, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Which is why we have strict laws against drunk driving just like we need for gun ownership

DBear on January 20, 2013 at 2:21 PM

So, according to your ‘logic’, we already have strict OWI laws in place, yet there still are drunks killing people. Kindly explain how stricter gun laws will have any effect seeing how the drunk driving laws are working so well.

chewmeister on January 20, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Outlander on January 20, 2013 at 2:35 PM

Yup, I have friends who lost their license shortly after turning 21 due to DUI’s. Didn’t stop them driving or drinking. Two of them have gotten several DUI’s. One has been without a license for years because he keeps getting caught driving without one. The worst punishment he’s received so far is 90 days in jail after 3 offenses.

jawkneemusic on January 20, 2013 at 2:52 PM

If the gun safety between your ears isn’t fully engaged then all of the mechanical safeties will be less effective than intended.

On the other hand a gun isn’t too much more complicated than a stapler; with the proper training and attention it isn’t any more dangerous to handle and use.

mad scientist on January 20, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Meanwhile, in ultra-liberal Chicago, where gun restriction laws abound and proliferate at the rate of sewer rats, seven citizens were shot overnight and gun-control fanatics fail to mention it. Dig out of your own septic tanks, liberals!

ExpressoBold on January 20, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Do you see liar DBear screaming about those?

Do you see liar DBear screaming that gangbangers should be punished?

Do you see liar DBear demanding that Obama law enforcement punish and go after guns owned by the Obama gangbanging base?

Nope.
………………..

northdallasthirty on January 20, 2013 at 2:46 PM

That would be too hard. Much easier going after people that already obey the law. DBear is a useful idiot to the nth degree.

CW on January 20, 2013 at 2:54 PM

First of all DBear, there are no laws about Drinking or Buying Alcahol befor you drink it.
There are also NO DUI laws about having an accident while NOT under the influence.
So your analogy holds ZERO water.
.
Next, as to your premise regarding all this “Violence” at the gun shows.

Let us say there were only 40 Gun Shows Nation Wide. (There were more.0
Next, Let us say that only 1,000 people showed up to each of them with a firearm. (There were more.)

That would put 40,000 people with firearms at the Gun Shows Nation Wide.

Now then, random chance and normal distribution dictates that 4% will be incompetent and have an incident. (that is without anyone taking action to prevent themselves or others from having an accident)

That means, that a simple statistical probability exists that there sould have been 1,600 incidents Nation Wide.

Yet there were only 3.

The delta of 1,597 is the amout of CRAP you are full of DBear.

jaydee_007 on January 20, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Crickets from Brayam and Douche Bear….big surprise.

CW on January 20, 2013 at 2:56 PM

The owner had stupidly not ensured the weapon was unloaded before bringing it out for safety inspection – before it got into the show.

Bringing it loaded was pretty friggin dumb, but not nearly as dumb as having it mistakenly fire while he was doing a “safety inspection”. How’d he manage that? What an idiot.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 20, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Oh, the irony. You enlighten the obtuse, and they all run away. Must be on the Nagin thread, defending him.

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2013 at 3:00 PM

Outlaw all accidents.

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2013 at 3:01 PM

The owner had stupidly not ensured the weapon was unloaded before bringing it out for safety inspection – before it got into the show.

Bringing it loaded was pretty friggin dumb, but not nearly as dumb as having it mistakenly fire while he was doing a “safety inspection”. How’d he manage that? What an idiot.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 20, 2013 at 2:59 PM

I know this will be LOST on DBear, but here we have an example of what a Real Zero Tolerance policy should look like.

A Real Screw Up is treated with Proper Disdain and Ridicule and the recipient, rather than being bewildered over his treatment is Genuinly Embarrassed and Forlorn over the incident.

jaydee_007 on January 20, 2013 at 3:02 PM

Funny the trolls were smart enough to stay away from the Nagin post.

CW on January 20, 2013 at 2:35 PM

HAL was there for a moment.

22044 on January 20, 2013 at 3:03 PM

Who the hell puts away a loaded gun in a carry case?

pat on January 20, 2013 at 3:04 PM

And in Ohio, a gun dealer in Medina was checking out a semi-automatic handgun he had bought when he accidentally pulled the trigger, injuring his friend, police said. The gun’s magazine had been removed from the firearm, but one round remained in the chamber, police said.

(Jeff) Cooper’s Rules:
1. All gun are always loaded.
2. Never point a gun at anything you aren’t willing to see destroyed.
3. Keep you finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.
4. Be sure of your target.

Sounds like this federally-licensed firearm dealer violated rules 1 through 3.

Socratease on January 20, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Medal: Purple Heart No. 1, 2 December 1968

Action: 2 December 1968 while patrolling in a small foam-filled boat, known as a Boston Whaler or “skimmer” that floats silently on a river without its engines running, with three other men in the darkness of early morning. The mission, apparently, was a training patrol in an area that was known for contraband trafficking. Upon approaching the objective point, the crew noticed a sampan crossing the river. As it pulled to shore, Kerry and his fellow crew opened fire, destroying the boat and whatever its cargo might have been. In the confusion, Kerry claims to have received a “stinging piece of heat” in the arm, the result of a tiny piece of shrapnel.

Analysis: Sen. Kerry has insisted that the above action qualifies as combat and that it was one of the most frightening episodes in his life. As with any Purple Heart the basic requirement is that any wound be the result of enemy action, whether direct or indirect. Kerry’s website describes it this way: “December 2, 1968: Kerry experiences first intense combat; receives first combat related injury.”

The following morning after Kerry’s alleged first intense combat engagement, he requested a Purple Heart from his commanding officer, Grant Hibbard (Ret.). This is what Grant Hibbard recalls of the incident:

“While in Cam Rahn Bay, he [Senator Kerry] trained on several 24-hour indoctrination missions, and one special skimmer operation with my most senior and trusted Lieutenant [William L. Schachte]. The briefing from some members of that crew the morning after revealed that they had not received any enemy fire, and yet Lt.(jg) Kerry informed me of a wound – he showed me a scratch on his arm and a piece of shrapnel in his hand that appeared to be from one of our own M-79s. It was later reported to me that Lt.(jg) Kerry had fired an M-79, and it had exploded off the adjacent shoreline. I do not recall being advised of any medical treatment, and probably said something like ‘Forget it.’ He later received a Purple Heart for that scratch, and I have no information as to how or whom.”

The question here is was Sen. Kerry’s shrapnel wound the result of enemy combat action?

According to Kerry’s own description in Douglas Brinkley’s Tour of Duty, the December 2, 1968 incident described above was “a half-assed action that hardly qualified as combat.”

Douglas Brinkley also reports in his book on page 189 that soon after Sen. Kerry turned 25 on Dec. 11, 1968, he headed out on his first mission: Kerry had wrote in his notebook, ‘A cocky feeling of invincibility accompanied us up the Long Tau shipping channel because we hadn’t been shot at yet, and Americans at war who haven’t been shot at are allowed to be cocky’. “

Rear Adm. William L. Schachte Jr. has come out and said “I was absolutely in the skimmer” in the early morning on Dec. 2, 1968, when Lt. (j.g.) John Kerry was involved in an incident which led to his first Purple Heart.

Schachte, who also was then a lieutenant junior grade, said he was in command of the small Boston whaler or skimmer, with Kerry aboard in his first combat mission in the Vietnam War. “Kerry nicked himself with a M-79 (grenade launcher),” Schachte said in a telephone interview from his home in Charleston, S.C. He said, “Kerry requested a Purple Heart.”

Adm. Schachte described the use of the skimmer operating very close to shore as a technique that he personally designed to flush enemy forces on the banks of Mekong River so that the larger Swift boats could move in. At about 3 a.m. on Dec. 2, Schachte said, the skimmer — code-named “Batman” — fired a hand-held flare. He said that after Kerry’s M-16 rifle jammed, the new officer picked up the M-79 and “I heard a ‘thunk.’ There was no fire from the enemy,” he said.

Patrick Runyon was operating the skimmers engineman during this incident has said “I can’t say for sure that we got return fire or how [Kerry] got nicked,” Runyon is quoted as saying in Unfit for Command. “I couldn’t say one way or the other. I know he did get nicked, a scrape on the arm,” he added.

It should be noted that another alleged witness to Kerry’s actions on December 2, 1968 is William Zaladonis. He was interviewed by NBC’s Lisa Myers after Adm. Schachte had come forward in attempts to cast doubt over whether Schachte could have been confused with being with Kerry in the skimmer that night. It does not appear Zaladonis himself could had been with Kerry that night because he is listed as being in An Thoi/Cat Lo from 10/68 to 4/69 in a Swift Vets Directory, making it unlikely he was with Kerry on December 2, 1968 on the Boston Whaler.

Pat Runyon is listed as being in Qui Nhon/Cam Ranh Bay from 10/68 to 3/69 which provides him the opportunity to have been in the right place to have been with Kerry on December 2. It is assumed NBC/Lisa Myers would have verified whether or not Zaladonis could have been where he says he was on December 2, 1968 before she had recently interviewed him.

Also to be noted that any skimmer training mission consisted of at least one senior officer and a junior grade with one enlisted man – an engineman. Both Runyon and Zaladonis were enginemen. There shouldn’t have been no need for two enginemen. This of course does not completely rule out the possibility the two were indeed together with Kerry on the night in question.

Runyon aids in confirming both Adm. Schachte and Grant Hibbard’s account about the absence of any enemy fire while also clearly confirming the absence of any possible explosions from enemy rockets/grenades/mortars that could account for any flying shrapnel that had struck Sen. Kerry. If there were no enemy rocket or grenades explosions than Kerry’s shrapnel most likely was the result of firing a M-79 too close.

Conclusion: This is a rather easy and straight forward issue to sort out and judge from a purely military perspective. It doesn’t matter who is telling the truth or who isn’t about minor recollections. The fact is Sen. Kerry was denied a Purple Heart in the issuing hours of the incident and this speaks volumes on this issue. You have someone who was supposedly wounded who visits his commanding officer — who has no ax to grind at the time — who was briefed within hours of the incident and determines no Purple Heart was warranted. Furthermore, Sen. Kerry seeks medical assistance for such an obviously minor wound for the sole purpose to document his insignificant wound so he may further pursue his Purple Heart from his next transfer designation.

Did Kerry shoot himself? If so, then the guys injured at the gun show should get Purple Hearts, too. /

Resist We Much on January 20, 2013 at 3:06 PM

This entire Gun Appreciation Day was a s–t show. It was poorly promoted, resulting in low turnout. And now the events have been marred by three separate irresponsible gun-handling incidents.

Outlander on January 20, 2013 at 2:30 PM

That’s not really fair. From what I’ve read it was organized by a private citizen, and it’s not exactly like the MSM was going to promote it. I believe some organizations are doing demonstrations for carry in 50 states on Feb. 8, which gives a little more time for promotion.

In any event, any time a gun injures anyone (apparently except in Chicago), prepare for it to be national news from now on. I loathe the MSM.

Firefly_76 on January 20, 2013 at 3:06 PM

Who the hell puts away a loaded gun in a carry case?

Somebody who knew it wasn’t loaded.

Socratease on January 20, 2013 at 3:06 PM

HAL was there for a moment.

22044 on January 20, 2013 at 3:03 PM

Did he sing Daisy?

Liam on January 20, 2013 at 3:12 PM

Rallies across U.S. assail Obama’s proposed gun curbs
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/20/us-usa-guns-rallies-idUSBRE90H17A20130120

“We are law-abiding citizens, business owners, military, and we are not going to be responsible for other people’s criminal actions,” former Marine Damon Locke said to applause at a Florida rally he had helped organize.

Some in the crowd of about 1,000 in Brooksville, about an hour north of Tampa, hoisted signs that said: “Stop the Gun Grabbers” and “Gun control isn’t about guns, it’s about control.”

They could take away the 10-round magazine today and tomorrow it would be the five-round and the next day it would be the whole thing,” Buchanan said.

Southern by choice22 on January 20, 2013 at 3:12 PM

Did he sing Daisy?

Liam on January 20, 2013 at 3:12 PM

Too early in the day. At least for me!

22044 on January 20, 2013 at 3:14 PM

“Gun control has not worked in D.C. The only people who have guns are criminals. We have the strictest gun laws in the nation and one of the highest murder rates. It’s quicker to pull your Smith and Wesson than to dial 911 if you’re being robbed.” – Lieutenant Lowell Duckett, President of the Black Police Caucus, Special Assistant to the Washington, D.C. Police Chief

Speakup on January 20, 2013 at 3:16 PM

“A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.” -Sigmund Freud

Better to have a gun in the hand than a cop on the phone
anonymous

Speakup on January 20, 2013 at 3:18 PM

A D problem

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2013 at 3:23 PM

There are many things you can’t fix through legislative action, and stupidity is among them.

Which is exactly why access to guns needs to be restricted.

lostmotherland on January 20, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Which is exactly why access to guns my commenting on Hot Air needs to be restricted.

lostmotherland on January 20, 2013 at 3:25 PM

FIFY!

22044 on January 20, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Which is exactly why access to guns needs to be restricted.

lostmotherland on January 20, 2013 at 3:25 PM

You refuse to do anything about the problem, so you attack something else.

Pathetic liberal.

cozmo on January 20, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Which is exactly why access to guns needs to be restricted.

lostmotherland on January 20, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Cars are more dangerous than guns, both in terms of intentional damage and accidental. Are you saying that you want the driving age raised and instant background checks for everyone before they can get a car – especially as the “right to have a car” is not in the Constitution?

But no … you and your ilk want to give driver’s licenses to friggin illegals who should be deported the minute they interact with any governmental agency.

You’re a good example of the sort of idiot who shouldn’t be driving. Man, you are dumb.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 20, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Yes and Hitler also was the first leader to support an interstate highway system. Notice how most freeways connect inner cities to the suburbs? Think about it.

bayam on January 20, 2013 at 2:12 PM

They also built them 3 feet thick so they didn’t have pothole problems and their tanks could move throughout the country on them.

RickB on January 20, 2013 at 3:32 PM

22044 on January 20, 2013 at 3:28 PM

+1000

Liberals are like a broken record, repeating the same tired lines we rejected long ago. In sum, they’re nags.

Liam on January 20, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Which is exactly why access to guns needs to be restricted.

lostmotherland on January 20, 2013 at 3:25 PM

To everyone or to a few. And, please cite, with specificity, those that should be denied access.

Bear in mind:

18 U.S.C. §922:

(d) It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise
dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or
having reasonable cause to believe that such person -
(1) is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court
of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one
year;
(2) is a fugitive from justice;
(3) is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled
substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances
Act (21 U.S.C. 802));
(4) has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been
committed to any mental institution;
(5) who, being an alien -
(A) is illegally or unlawfully in the United States; or
(B) except as provided in subsection (y)(2), has been
admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as
that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration
and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(26)));
(6) who (!2) has been discharged from the Armed Forces under
dishonorable conditions;
(7) who, having been a citizen of the United States, has
renounced his citizenship;
(8) is subject to a court order that restrains such person from
harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner of such
person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging
in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in
reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child, except
that this paragraph shall only apply to a court order that -
(A) was issued after a hearing of which such person received
actual notice, and at which such person had the opportunity to
participate; and
(B)(i) includes a finding that such person represents a
credible threat to the physical safety of such intimate partner
or child; or
(ii) by its terms explicitly prohibits the use, attempted
use, or threatened use of physical force against such intimate
partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause
bodily injury; or
(9) has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of
domestic violence.

Who else would you like to disenfranchise of the 2nd Amendment rights?

Can we start a similar list concerning women who should not be allowed to abort a foetus?

Resist We Much on January 20, 2013 at 3:38 PM

Which is exactly why access to guns needs to be restricted.

lostmotherland on January 20, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Pssst it already is ….

you simpletons are hilarious.

CW on January 20, 2013 at 3:40 PM

RWM, for your good work.

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2013 at 3:41 PM

Which is why we have strict laws against drunk driving just like we need for gun ownership

DBear on January 20, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Are you really this stupid or do you just play an imbecile on the Internet?

For your analogy to even come close to being accurate, there would need to be laws prohibiting people convicted of DUI from purchasing automobiles.

AZfederalist on January 20, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Trying again…

Which is exactly why access to guns needs to be restricted.

lostmotherland on January 20, 2013 at 3:25 PM

To everyone or to a few? And, please cite, with specificity, those that should be denied access.

Bear in mind:

18 U.S.C. §922:

It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise
dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or
having reasonable cause to believe that such person -
(1) is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court
of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one
year;

(2) is a fugitive from justice;

(3) is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled
substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances
Act (21 U.S.C. 802));

(4) has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been
committed to any mental institution;

(5) who, being an alien -

(A) is illegally or unlawfully in the United States; or
(B) except as provided in subsection (y)(2), has been
admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as
that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration
and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(26)));

(6) who (!2) has been discharged from the Armed Forces under
dishonorable conditions;

(7) who, having been a citizen of the United States, has
renounced his citizenship;

(8) is subject to a court order that restrains such person from
harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner of such
person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging
in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in
reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child, except
that this paragraph shall only apply to a court order that -
(A) was issued after a hearing of which such person received
actual notice, and at which such person had the opportunity to
participate; and
(B)(i) includes a finding that such person represents a
credible threat to the physical safety of such intimate partner
or child; or
(ii) by its terms explicitly prohibits the use, attempted
use, or threatened use of physical force against such intimate
partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause
bodily injury; or

(9) has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of
domestic violence.

Resist We Much on January 20, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Are you really this stupid or do you just play an imbecile on the Internet?

AZfederalist on January 20, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Dbear really is that stupid. As stupid as the woman who wrote that piece in the headlines last night wanting the government to protect her from possessing a gun.

cozmo on January 20, 2013 at 3:46 PM

Which is exactly why access to guns needs to be restricted.

Somewhere A Motherland Has Lost Its Idiot on January 20, 2013 at 3:25 PM

According to the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms, what percentage of all firearms used in criminal acts are obtained illegally, ie, on the street, through theft, etc?

Resist We Much on January 20, 2013 at 3:47 PM

Dbear really is that stupid. As stupid as the woman who wrote that piece in the headlines last night wanting the government to protect her from possessing a gun.

cozmo on January 20, 2013 at 3:46 PM

For better or worse, anyone who is stupid gets to use Al Gore’s Amazing Internet.

22044 on January 20, 2013 at 3:48 PM

Nothing is scares me more than a knee-jerk gun purchase by a novice who doesn’t know a bullet from a casing and has no idea how to load a magazine.

In Indiana, $50 and a background check will get you a CCW permit. You can be armed in public within a month.

If you are a new gun owner, I applaud you but PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE get trained! It ain’t point-and-shoot. We don’t need a law to enforce gun training, we just need common sense.

tdarrington on January 20, 2013 at 3:49 PM

lost is lost again, duh!

Charlatanry in plain sight – open your eyes.

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Which is exactly why access to guns needs to be restricted.
lostmotherland on January 20, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Are you one of those people who think highly of themselves due to being over praised? Because for such a stupid person you sure do think you have something profound to say.

jawkneemusic on January 20, 2013 at 3:50 PM

AZfederalist on January 20, 2013 at 3:42 PM

It’s worse. Their approach when applied to cars would require restrictions even on those who don’t have a DUI.

jawkneemusic on January 20, 2013 at 3:53 PM

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