About those gun show shootings…

posted at 2:01 pm on January 20, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

Following the events of Gun Appreciation Day, there was a cynical, yet almost gleeful tone being taken by certain gun rights opponents at the expense of several people who were injured. The headlines speak volumes without even digging into the nasty messages underneath. 5 People Shot at 3 Different Gun Shows on Gun Appreciation Day. Holy cow! Five people were gunned down? That’s awful! I’m sure you wouldn’t go and get all snarky about shooting victims though, would you?

If the gun advocates behind this year’s inaugural Gun Appreciation Day had hoped to use the day’s festivities to build support for their anti-regulation platform, they are going to have to wait another year.

There were more. Shots Fired on Gun Appreciation Day. The list goes on. Unfortunately for the ghoulish brigade, it didn’t take much reading to figure out that the actual stories were far different from how they were being portrayed in the headlines. The highly charged terms “people shot” and “shots fired” leave one with the impression that gun fights were breaking out among crazed second amendment supporters, blasting their way into or out of various buildings. The reality, as you have probably already guessed, was somewhat different. First, the North Carolina show.

A man identified as Gary Lynn Wilson, 36, of Wilmington, brought the 12-gauge shotgun to the show at the North Carolina State Fairgrounds and was attempting to remove it from its case when the weapon went off shortly after 1 p.m., police said.

Linwood Hester, 50, of Durham, was struck in the left hand by birdshot, according to Joel Keith, police chief with the state Department of Agriculture. The birdshot also struck a woman identified as Janet Hoover, 54, of Benson, and Jake Alderman, a retired sheriff’s deputy from Wake Forest who was working at the event.

The owner had stupidly not ensured the weapon was unloaded before bringing it out for safety inspection – before it got into the show. Three people took some bird shot with all being treated and released at a local facility on the same day.

The second incident, in Indianapolis, concerned a guy who accidentally shot himself with his new gun after leaving the gun show. The final one was in the Buckeye state.

And in Ohio, a gun dealer in Medina was checking out a semi-automatic handgun he had bought when he accidentally pulled the trigger, injuring his friend, police said. The gun’s magazine had been removed from the firearm, but one round remained in the chamber, police said.

There were no shooting sprees, no attacks, and no “assault weapons” or extended volume magazines involved. If this is proof of anything, it’s that when you get a large enough crowd of people together you will inevitably find a few who are either foolish or careless enough to make a mistake with gun safety rules. There are many things you can’t fix through legislative action, and stupidity is among them. But let’s not see people fooled by opportunists who want to use injuries to random show attendees as a cynical ploy to depict gun ownership in a false light.


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Um, not really. In fact, a big part of the argument put forth by gun-control advocates is that if there are less guns, there are less accidental deaths like this one.

They should cite this post in the dictionary entry for “straw man argument.”

Tom_Shipley on January 20, 2013 at 8:22 PM

So you follow the liberal argument of “if we can save just one life”.
In that case, regardless of their original purpose, cars should be eliminated since they kill over 30,000 people every year.
You advocate trying to eliminate a tool used in only a few hundred deaths per year, but yet you won’t consider eliminating a tool used in the deaths of over 30,000. I smell a hypocrit.

dentarthurdent on January 20, 2013 at 10:29 PM

Oh look.. a police chief shoots herself in the hand.
http://www.wral.com/fayetteville-police-chief-accidentally-shoots-self-/11922668/

Oh look.. another police officer accidentally shoots a pregnant mom in the face.

http://www.cbs3springfield.com/story/20627523/agawam-police-officer-let-go-after-accidental-shooting

You know.. mistakes happen. Even with police.

JellyToast on January 20, 2013 at 10:32 PM

It’s not a lie at all. I am not a democrat nor a republican…
 
nonpartisan on January 20, 2013 at 9:09 PM

 
Seriously, I love your work. I don’t know if most people realize how much skill it takes to repeatedly emulate this level of uninformed, unprincipled, low-info ignorance with such consistency and precision, but you should again be recognized as one of HA’s best at parody.
 
What is possibly most impressive is your ability to forge ahead with creativity. Most folks attempting this get stuck in a rut, but I see you top your prior semi-believable ridiculousness constantly, often in the same thread, and sometimes even in the same post.
 
And your timing when you leave the thread hanging, never to return? Spot on and a nice touch. Really, it’s exactly like so many of our resident progressives do once they can’t touch bottom in their argument anymore. Well done, and also impressive that you studied the technique enough to incorporate it so naturally.
 
Not to mention staying in character throughout your time here. Bravo. You’re quickly becoming one of my favorite posters.
 
(And again, that bit the other day about being a NYC/DC native was a skillfully stereotypical jab. Extremely clever and very well done.)
 
Read tonight’s thread in light of one from a year ago:
 

Can any Newt supporters explain why they would choose an fat, ugly toad who cheats on his wives and lobbies for fannie and got kicked out by colleagues over a handsome experienced leader with success in government and business and a beautiful family who is as tall as Obama and has a great voice?
 
I feel like I live in Bizzaro world.
 
nonpartisan on January 22, 2012 at 8:10 PM

 
Again, absolutely brilliant. Bravo.

rogerb on January 20, 2013 at 10:40 PM

JellyToast on January 20, 2013 at 10:32 PM

The stupid media don’t report that it was cops who accidentatlly discharged

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Seriously, I’d like to know.

Tom_Shipley on January 20, 2013 at 9:04 PM

No you don’t and you know it.

arnold ziffel on January 20, 2013 at 10:44 PM

It’s not a lie at all. I am not a democrat nor a republican…

nonpartisan on January 20, 2013 at 9:09 PM

Of course not. Your nom s/b nobrain, as I’ve often suggested. Then you’d do it justice.

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2013 at 10:45 PM

At this point only an idiot is still calling magazines, clips.

Bmore on January 20, 2013 at 10:46 PM

Take away semi-automatic weapons and large capacity clips (which is what most gun control advocates are proposing) and what happens?
 
Seriously, I’d like to know.
 
Tom_Shipley on January 20, 2013 at 9:04 PM

 
I’m pro-defense, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-shooting sports, and pro-ownership.
 
I’m also in complete and 100% agreement with you re:large capacity clips, and I am willing to go on record this moment as refusing to EVER own a semi-auto that fires from large capacity 30 round clips.
 
Who else is with me? Will you pledge today to refuse to ever buy any semi-auto that fires from large capacity 30 round clips?

rogerb on January 20, 2013 at 10:51 PM

Which is large? capacity or clips? this gun thingys are difficult.

tom daschle concerned on January 20, 2013 at 10:58 PM

bayam

DBear

…now playing!…Dumb & Dumber…ON Hot Air?

KOOLAID2 on January 20, 2013 at 11:11 PM

I’m pro-defense, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-shooting sports, and pro-ownership.

… …

Who else is with me? Will you pledge today to refuse to ever buy any semi-auto that fires from large capacity 30 round clips?

rogerb on January 20, 2013 at 10:51 PM

Wow! Mighty powerful bona fides there, Champ. That’s all anyone was really looking for here: A true patriot and fellow gun owner to lead the way…

What are you? Eleven? No. Wait…. Almost twelve, right? Judging by your choice of words, you don’t know a damned thing about firearms, either.

ROCnPhilly on January 20, 2013 at 11:13 PM

You do know the actual reason for the 2nd Amendment, do you not?

LegendHasIt on January 20, 2013 at 9:53 PM


He’ll go with “Does Not Know” for $ 500

PolAgnostic on January 20, 2013 at 11:16 PM

I think you missed the snark on terminology ignorance there ROC.

LegendHasIt on January 20, 2013 at 11:16 PM

rogerb on January 20, 2013 at 10:51 PM

See what happens when you don’t use the “/s” after your sarcasm?

LOL

ROCnPhilly on January 20, 2013 at 11:18 PM

PolAgnostic on January 20, 2013 at 11:16 PM

I dunno…. He never struck me as completely ignorant on topics he commented on before… Yes, often wrong conclusions but not complete ignorance of basic facts.

LegendHasIt on January 20, 2013 at 11:20 PM

It’s not a lie at all. I am not a democrat nor a republican…
nonpartisan on January 20, 2013 at 9:09 PM

Well, obviously not a Republican

CPUSA?
Or
A Foreigner?
Disenfranchised felon?
Underage?

LegendHasIt on January 20, 2013 at 11:25 PM

See what happens when you don’t use the “/s” after your sarcasm?

LOL

ROCnPhilly on January 20, 2013 at 11:18 PM

Good sarc never necessitates tags :)

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2013 at 11:27 PM

You know, it’s a bit ironic that these trolls always show up here knowing absolutelly nothing about a subject, frothing at the mouth unthinkingly barking their globalist masters’ talking points, but then claim that conservatives are subject to Talk Radio “dog whistles”.

Perhaps they are trying to be “super-secret double ironic” by parodying themselves?

ROCnPhilly on January 20, 2013 at 11:33 PM

Take away semi-automatic weapons and large capacity clips (which is what most gun control advocates are proposing) and what happens?

Seriously, I’d like to know.

Tom_Shipley on January 20, 2013 at 9:04 PM

If they took away your home and gave you a smaller one, no problem? Took away your car and gave you one less expensive, still gets you there…no problem?

How about some of your clothes, you don’t need them all, really, they can take those away, what would happen? How about limiting you in travel, what happens?

It wouldn’t bother me at all if they did that to you…get it? No, you don’t….you see, it doesn’t bother you, for others to give up what they want. That’s the mark of a liberal, willing to sacrifice other peoples possessions, because they don’t have a use for them.

I don’t see any reason for someone to have more than two cars for a family…and I see how many deaths cars cause…two maximum for a family, and they have to justify owning that extra car.

right2bright on January 20, 2013 at 11:33 PM

Good sarc never necessitates tags :)

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2013 at 11:27 PM

That’s true only the competition is competent. When the actual troll posts are already so ridiculous, how is one to tell the difference?

ROCnPhilly on January 20, 2013 at 11:39 PM

Who else is with me? Will you pledge today to refuse to ever buy any semi-auto that fires from large capacity 30 round clips?

rogerb on January 20, 2013 at 10:51 PM

I’m in.

davidk on January 20, 2013 at 11:40 PM

David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog

Chicago has 2.26 murders per square mile. Alaska has 1.28 people per square mile.

davidk on January 20, 2013 at 11:41 PM

David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog

Want to immediately reduce the national gun homicide rate by 5%? Sell Chicago to Canada.

davidk on January 20, 2013 at 11:43 PM

I am not a democrat nor a republican…
nonpartisan on January 20, 2013 at 9:09 PM

…retarded is not a registered party yet!

KOOLAID2 on January 20, 2013 at 11:53 PM

Right, but cars have an invaluable purpose–to help people get from one point to another faster.

Guns only purpose are to kill. It’s their raison d’être. Now you could say, their purpose is to deter or to maim, etc… but, the reality is, they are made an manufactured so they will kill a person or animal.

Take away cars and our economy collapses. Plain and simple. Take away semi-automatic weapons and large capacity clips (which is what most gun control advocates are proposing) and what happens?

Seriously, I’d like to know.

Tom_Shipley on January 20, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Guns also have an invaluable purpose. You are right about one thing though – their purpose is to kill and on a daily basis law abiding and responsible citizens use them to protect themselves and their loved ones from violent criminals. It’s easy to cite many many examples of people using them to protect themselves and their families. Just in the past several weeks a teenage boy used an AR-15 to protect himself and his younger sister from a violent criminal entering their home. Such examples are quite common. Guns are also the great equalizer for women in defending themselves. Who the hell are you to tell a women she can’t have a rifle capable of defending her (rifles are easier to aim than pistols)? Who the hell are you to tell her she only gets 7 bullets to fight of attackers?

You’re post also shows your ignorance. First of all semi-automatic weapon describes practically every gun available for sale. You appear to not know that semi-automatic means. Also, you used the word magazine instead of clip. I suggest you do a simple google image search of magazine vs clip to know the difference.

You also completely fail to deal with the fact that the last assault weapons ban had no effect on crime. Whatsoever.

Why don’t you come back here and make an intelligent argument when you actually know anything about the subject. Why don’t you try to get educated about it first before demanding others be stripped of their rights.

gwelf on January 20, 2013 at 11:58 PM

David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog

Want to immediately reduce the national gun homicide rate by 5%? Sell Chicago to Canada.

davidk on January 20, 2013 at 11:43 PM

You meant pay them to take it, right?

ROCnPhilly on January 20, 2013 at 11:59 PM

Right, but cars have an invaluable purpose–to help people get from one point to another faster.

Guns only purpose are to kill. It’s their raison d’être. Now you could say, their purpose is to deter or to maim, etc… but, the reality is, they are made an manufactured so they will kill a person or animal.

Take away cars and our economy collapses. Plain and simple. Take away semi-automatic weapons and large capacity clips (which is what most gun control advocates are proposing) and what happens?

Seriously, I’d like to know.

Tom_Shipley on January 20, 2013 at 9:04 PM

So you’re saying that your desire to get from one point to another “faster” trumps my right to not get killed by your car?

You’re willing to accept tens of thousands of deaths, and hundreds of thousands of injuries, for your economic convenience?

I’m not in favor of an outright ban on cars, but there are reasonable, moderate actions that could be taken.

Like limiting the types of vehicles civilians can own.
Nobody needs a three thousand pound, five hundred horsepower car that’s capable of exceeding,by double or more, the legal posted speed limit.

By limiting weight, horsepower, and speed we could help end the horrific bloodshed that happens every day on our highways.
Even if it only saves one life, won’t it be worth it?

Now, you are mostly correct in your view of the inherent purpose of firearms. With some exceptions of specialty target guns. Firearms are a function designed tool.

They’re designed to do a nasty, brutal, sickening, stomach turning job. But unfortunately, it’s a job that sometimes has to be done. Last resort. No other options. An option that I pray everyday I won’t have to exercise. (Just sayin)

Nature endowed animals with tooth and claw And endowed humans with a mind to conceptualize, and fashion tools. And an opposable thumb to grasp those tools.

As to your question as to “what happens” if certain firearms and accessories are “taken away”, well, that’s an erosion, an infringement, on a Natural right.

Emotion and ignorance are not valid excuses for curtailing liberties.
That’s all too often a recipe for disaster.

soundingboard on January 21, 2013 at 12:08 AM

rogerb on January 20, 2013 at 10:51 PM

See what happens when you don’t use the “/s” after your sarcasm?

LOL

ROCnPhilly on January 20, 2013 at 11:18 PM

Heh. I was schooled about that oversight about a week ago.

I was both amused and saddened that he ignorant, unhinged ravings of the grabbers has rendered sarcasm invisible.

soundingboard on January 21, 2013 at 12:16 AM

Seriously, I’d like to know.

Tom_Shipley on January 20, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Then why ain’t you responding to the answers you received?

arnold ziffel on January 21, 2013 at 12:18 AM

That’s true only the competition is competent. When the actual troll posts are already so ridiculous, how is one to tell the difference?

ROCnPhilly on January 20, 2013 at 11:39 PM

This is why I should always read to the end of the thread before commenting. You said what I said before I said it. :>

soundingboard on January 21, 2013 at 12:21 AM

This is why I should always read to the end of the thread before commenting. You said what I said before I said it. :>

soundingboard on January 21, 2013 at 12:21 AM

Hell, half the time, my android tablet doesn’t even know where the end of the thread is.

ROCnPhilly on January 21, 2013 at 12:25 AM

Then why ain’t you responding to the answers you received?

arnold ziffel on January 21, 2013 at 12:18 AM

Well, he did kinda take some clue bat buckwheats in the thread, he’s probably just waiting for the ringing in his ears to stop.

soundingboard on January 21, 2013 at 12:27 AM

ROCnPhilly on January 21, 2013 at 12:25 AM

Hah!

soundingboard on January 21, 2013 at 12:29 AM

Right, but cars have an invaluable purpose–to help people get from one point to another faster.
Guns only purpose are to kill. It’s their raison d’être. Now you could say, their purpose is to deter or to maim, etc… but, the reality is, they are made an manufactured so they will kill a person or animal.
Take away cars and our economy collapses. Plain and simple. Take away semi-automatic weapons and large capacity clips (which is what most gun control advocates are proposing) and what happens?
Seriously, I’d like to know.
Tom_Shipley on January 20, 2013 at 9:04 PM

So you’d be fine with a federally mandated speed limit of 5 mph?

gwelf on January 21, 2013 at 12:31 AM

The gun shows I attend have a check-in point for any weapons brought in by the public. The weapons are inspected by police officers to make sure they are not loaded.

jediwebdude on January 21, 2013 at 12:47 AM

Also, you used the word magazine instead of clip. I suggest you do a simple google image search of magazine vs clip to know the difference.

gwelf on January 20, 2013 at 11:58 PM

I’ll make it easy for him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF21sihEgOU

davidk on January 21, 2013 at 12:53 AM

How about two of New York’s finest that wounded 9 innocent bystanders in a gun battle at the Empire State Building last summer? Only it wasn’t exactly a gun battle because the perp that ended up dead didn’t actually fire on the police. Of course he might have, if the police hadn’t emptied their Glocks in his general direction.

claudius on January 21, 2013 at 1:08 AM

jediwebdude on January 21, 2013 at 12:47 AM

Indeed. I posted the same thoughts on this thread hours ago. Only two people seemed to notice.

LegendHasIt on January 21, 2013 at 1:15 AM

Ball Type Military rounds are NOT specailly designed to kill!

jaydee_007 on January 20, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Well, no, they aren’t *specially* designed to kill. That’s sort of a basic assumption about ammunition.

GWB on January 20, 2013 at 8:30 PM

It is not that you are ignorant that bothers me, it is the fact that you are proud of your ignorance!

Military Ball Ammo is full metal jacketed ammunition designed speciffically to penetrate without expansion (as opposed to hunting ammunition that mushrooms upon entry to maximize the damage done to the target) and make a clean through and through puncture wound.

This is to facilitate the wounding of soldiers on the battle field as a dead soldier removes one from the field, but a wounded soldier removes three.

In ohter words you don’t know a thing you are talking about and you are genuinly stupid in your pride in that ignorance as you have demonstrated by your statement!

jaydee_007 on January 21, 2013 at 3:11 AM

It’s not a lie at all. I am not a democrat nor a republican…

nonpartisan on January 20, 2013 at 9:09 PM

What’s Democrat vs. Republican got to do with it?

You are clearly a Liberal and that is a Partisan Position.

Therefore saying you are NON partisan is a Flat Out Lie!

jaydee_007 on January 21, 2013 at 3:18 AM

If the gun advocates behind this year’s inaugural Gun Appreciation Day had hoped to use the day’s festivities to build support for their anti-regulation platform, they are going to have to wait another year.

What color is the sky in this fantasy land?

TheDriver on January 21, 2013 at 6:50 AM

I’ve watched similar stupid $hit happen at a branding.
Gather a bunch of cowboys who ought to know better about bringing an animal that’s not fit to ride, especially in close quarters, & you can get people hurt.

File this story under stupid people do stupid things resulting in accidents.
Whoopee.

But I guess the media has to show their loving support for Bammy & lick his a$$ some more.

Badger40 on January 21, 2013 at 7:53 AM

Right, but cars have an invaluable purpose–to help people get from one point to another faster.
Guns only purpose are to kill. It’s their raison d’être. Now you could say, their purpose is to deter or to maim, etc… but, the reality is, they are made an manufactured so they will kill a person or animal.
Take away cars and our economy collapses. Plain and simple. Take away semi-automatic weapons and large capacity clips (which is what most gun control advocates are proposing) and what happens?
Seriously, I’d like to know.
Tom_Shipley on January 20, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Guns have a valuable purpose, just as cars do. They keep government officials from outright thwarting the law & abusing my person or property.
They help me defend myself against people who would b=do me harm in general.
They allow me to put down a horse or cow that needs put out of their misery.
They allow me to shoot a coyote that’s got mange & is suffering.
They allow me to shoot a rabid skunk, etc.
They allow me to go hunt a deer or pheasant that I can EAT.

If you’d like to know what happens when a government slowly disarms it’s people, ask the Scottish people.
Or perhaps you should just read a bunch of history in countries where it’s happened.
Seriously, you cannot be this stupid, can you?
But I digress. You already answered that question with your original post.
It’s not my problem you are too stupid to understand the wisdom of the 2nd Amendment.
It’s not your place to deny me my God given rights just bcs you don’t understand them.

Badger40 on January 21, 2013 at 7:59 AM

Emotion and ignorance are not valid excuses for curtailing liberties.

soundingboard on January 21, 2013 at 12:08 AM

This needs to be repeated every time a liberal opens his mouth.

DrMagnolias on January 21, 2013 at 8:46 AM

Again, nonpartisan, the subtle parodying of our resident (D)s by abruptly abandoning the thread is absolute brilliance.
 
Bravo.

rogerb on January 21, 2013 at 10:09 AM

Encore!

Bmore on January 21, 2013 at 10:48 AM

; )

Bmore on January 21, 2013 at 10:48 AM

jaydee_007 on January 21, 2013 at 3:11 AM

Wow. That’s a huge over-reaction. Did you bother to read the second sentence you quoted? My point was that for anyone to argue that *any* ammo is “specially designed to kill” is stupid, since the basic assumption of ammunition for a firearm is to kill someone/something. Yes, that means you can design ammo not to kill, but the starting point of hurtling a chunk of lead out of the barrel of a firearm at a high velocity means you’re looking to do in your target.

(And, yes, I know the arguments about “military ball” ammunition. The choice of that ammunition type has a great many other factors than the mere calculation of wounding vs killing on the battlefield.)

My ignorance (such as it is) is topped by your failed assumption in reading my comment and by your somewhat arrogant response. You are a better commenter than that.

GWB on January 21, 2013 at 11:54 AM

ProfShadow on January 20, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Oh, fer cryin’ out loud!

Taxes are an infringement on my right to own them. It is no different than a poll tax.

ROCnPhilly on January 20, 2013 at 5:54 PM

Not as long as it’s the same tax as on other goods (i.e., a sales tax). Though some might argue an annual tax would be the same as a car tax (like in VA), the firearm isn’t consuming government supplied resources (roads, lights & signs, etc.) when it’s used. Of course, the car tax in VA is based on the ‘value’ of the car, so it’s hardly an usage tax, anyway.

GWB on January 21, 2013 at 12:16 PM

The Second Amendment is not designed to protect those who want to hunt — although it does as a side effect of its existance.

unclesmrgol on January 20, 2013 at 8:39 PM

Ironically, a state could outlaw hunting altogether and it would likely hold up in court. There isn’t any specific protection (just the 9th and 10th Amendments) for hunting in the Constitution. Where then, would be the justification for the 2d Amendment? We know where that justification lies, and it isn’t in dropping a dove or a deer, but deterring a dictator-wannabe.

GWB on January 21, 2013 at 12:30 PM

“The mainstream GOP’ers will see through his facade.”

tommy71 on January 20, 2013 at 2:17 PM

And, of course, the mainstream GOP’ers have been such a roaring success these past six years.

I am not a Paulian but I sick and tired of the silverbacks selling out true conservatives so they can continue their endless round of cocktail parties. Those “mainstream GOP’ers” are beneath contempt.

creeper on January 21, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Can any Newt supporters explain why they would choose an fat, ugly toad who cheats on his wives

Right… where were you during Clintons impeachment trial again?

and lobbies for fannie

barney frank, nuff sed.

a handsome experienced leader

Obama isn’t an experienced leader. He wasn’t in 2008 and what he’s been doing in the last 4 years ain’t leadership.

with success in government and business

He has no experience in business (eg. “you didn’t build that”), I have no idea where you got that from. And he hasn’t had any success in government either (voting “present” dozens of times isn’t a success, neither is 6 trillion in added national debt, 14% real unemployment, Irans atom bomb program proceeding unopposed, Al-Qeada/Hamas parent organization in control of Egypt, US Ambassador to Libya abandoned and left for dead, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera…).

and a beautiful family

Yes, he does have a beautiful family. A thousand years from now, when historians write about the fall of America, they will note that the Nero of the 21st century had a great looking family.

I feel like I live in Bizzaro world.

nonpartisan on January 22, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Your choice to live there bro.

Alberta_Patriot on January 21, 2013 at 12:47 PM

GWB on January 21, 2013 at 11:54 AM

First off, my response was not arrogant, it was measured.

The statment “Ball Type Military rounds are NOT specailly designed to kill!” Was aimed SPECIFICALLY at the Mainstream Media.
Why was that?
Because Multiple Reports in the MSM, regarding Sandy Hook, referred to Military Ball Type Ammunition as “Special Ammunition designed specifically to Kill”

For you to come along and say, “That’s sort of a basic assumption about ammunition.” without adding in any further context serves no useful purpose other than to support their reporting, and to ridicule my statement that was aimed specifically at them and their assumptions.

jaydee_007 on January 21, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Just for the HA record, Tom_Shipley is still MIA.

Schadenfreude on January 21, 2013 at 1:45 PM

Alberta_Patriot on January 21, 2013 at 12:47 PM

For the record, I agree that nonpartison is an oxygen thief and a useless tool, but he’s not referring to the Resident in that post, rather Gov. Romney.

And for the record, I can explain why I would have wanted Newt over Romney any day of the week, not that it matters. Newt pushed a balanced budget past a socialist-leaning tax-and-spend president, not once, but three times. He got things done with the Contract with America in spite of, not in collaboration with, Billy Jeff, who then went on to take credit for all of it. Newt was the most substantial policy wonk, and while he has holes in his conservative bona fides, he was the best available compared to Romney and Paul.

Freelancer on January 21, 2013 at 1:52 PM

I think GWB was simply making the statement that pretty much any firearm ammunition is designed to kill. Now, there are certainly degrees, such as birdshot being less certain to kill a human, etc.

It the same business of slippery slope definitions as calling anything that operates semi-auto “military-styled”, for the purpose of inflaming emotions against them. Our only hope is to hold the line on the semantics, and force the other side to use correct terminology. That’s where the GOP loses every argument, by caving to the lexicon of the Left.

Freelancer on January 21, 2013 at 1:56 PM

GWB on January 21, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Should have made that more clear. I was thinking about the implementation of an additional gun/ammo tax similar to a sin tax as are already paid for class 3 weapons and suppressors.

ROCnPhilly on January 21, 2013 at 2:03 PM

And in Ohio, a gun dealer in Medina was checking out a semi-automatic handgun he had bought when he accidentally pulled the trigger, injuring his friend, police said. The gun’s magazine had been removed from the firearm, but one round remained in the chamber, police said.

Geez, checking the chamber is Guns 101.

Perhaps he shouldn’t have his FFL. Hopefully he learned his lesson before he kills someone.

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 21, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Also, you used the word magazine instead of clip. I suggest you do a simple google image search of magazine vs clip to know the difference.

gwelf on January 20, 2013 at 11:58 PM

I’ll make it easy for him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF21sihEgOU

davidk

Lemme see efen I gots this… Clip is what you do to coupons. Magazines is wut coupons come in.

And, I like the term self-loading better than semi-auto. Sounds more like a labor saving device than like a full-auto machine gun.

Still, no matter what you call anything, some of these morons will never understand the meaning of God-given rights. But, I am confident they will appreciate me and my gun-toting buddies when some thug decides to rape their wife or girlfriend and take all their stuff and one of us steps up to stop it.

Still, it’s good to remember that ignorance is curable. Stupidity is often fatal.

Crusader Rabbit

Crusader Rabbit on January 21, 2013 at 2:43 PM

There is no cure for Stupid…..
something the media demonstrates daily.

Another Drew on January 21, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Who else is with me? Will you pledge today to refuse to ever buy any semi-auto that fires from large capacity 30 round clips?

rogerb on January 20, 2013 at 10:51 PM

I’ll see your ban on 30 round clips and raise you a ban on armor piercing hollow points.

Alberta_Patriot on January 21, 2013 at 3:16 PM

Guns only purpose are to kill. It’s their raison d’être. Now you could say, their purpose is to deter or to maim, etc… but, the reality is, they are made an manufactured so they will kill a person or animal.

Take away cars and our economy collapses. Plain and simple. Take away semi-automatic weapons and large capacity clips (which is what most gun control advocates are proposing) and what happens?

Seriously, I’d like to know.

Tom_Shipley on January 20, 2013 at 9:04 PM

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Our ability to stand up to a tyranical dictator government, and MAKE IT BACK DOWN is compromised. Period.

Private citizens in the U.S. should be allowed the possession and ownership of the SAME weapons used by civil law enforcement.
That means civilian semi-auto models of military rifles and “light” weapons, complete with military capacity magazines and ammunition.

The Second Amendment is the guarantor of the whole Constitution, unless the American people allow the civil government(s) to have more physical capability to control us.

listens2glenn on January 21, 2013 at 4:14 PM

I’ll see your ban on 30 round clips and raise you a ban on armor piercing hollow points.

So, can I get those armor piercing hollow points for my 12 gauge rifle? /s

kimbergrl on January 21, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Seriously, I’d like to know.

Tom_Shipley on January 20, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Liar.

Bmore on January 21, 2013 at 4:44 PM

This is to facilitate the wounding of soldiers on the battle field as a dead soldier removes one from the field, but a wounded soldier removes three.

In ohter words you don’t know a thing you are talking about and you are genuinly stupid in your pride in that ignorance as you have demonstrated by your statement!

jaydee_007 on January 21, 2013 at 3:11 AM

Five Five Six

davidk on January 21, 2013 at 6:04 PM

to ridicule my statement that was aimed specifically at them and their assumptions.

jaydee_007 on January 21, 2013 at 1:36 PM

It wasn’t ridicule of you, jaydee. It was ridicule of those very same assumptions (from the opposite direction). You are right, though: evidently not adding more context could lead someone to misinterpret what I meant.

ROCnPhilly on January 21, 2013 at 2:03 PM

I figured that’s what you meant, and wanted to clarify. :)

Geez, checking the chamber is Guns 101.

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 21, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Story: Bosnia, Division HQ at Tuzla Main (aka The White House). One of several places around Tuzla with clearing barrels (I think it was the only place in Bosnia where you would go regularly loaded inside the wire). It was an automatic Article 15 for a while to put a round into the clearing barrel, but it always got you a chewing out by the Sergeant Major – especially the Division Sergeant Major if you did it by the White House. Our office was right near the entrance.
One fine January afternoon, we hear a BLAM! through the open window. Ruh roh, somebody killed the clearing barrel. I stepped into the hall to look toward the SM’s office, and sure enough the door flew open. The poor soldier is told to wait there for the SM. As the SM is about halfway down the hallway, we hear another BLAM! Oh man, someone else killed the clearing barrel with the first guy standing there! The SM came flying out the door and proceeded to ream those two soldiers a pair of new ones. Mind you, he’s flaming on them right next to the clearing barrel. About the point the SM gets on a really good roll, we hear BLAM!
Yep. A third soldier had come along and shot the poor clearing barrel with the SM standing there reaming out the first two guys for the same thing. I was impressed – the SM’s head didn’t actually explode (though I’d swear I saw his helmet lift an inch or so). We shut the window after that and prayed for the soldiers. Check. Your. Chamber!

GWB on January 21, 2013 at 6:06 PM

But, I am confident they will appreciate me and my gun-toting buddies when some thug decides to rape their wife or girlfriend and take all their stuff and one of us steps up to stop it.

Still, it’s good to remember that ignorance is curable. Stupidity is often fatal.

Crusader Rabbit

Crusader Rabbit on January 21, 2013 at 2:43 PM

If someone is attempting to rape a lib’s woman, I will not be protecting a lib’s woman; I will be protecting a fellow human.

If some one is stealing a gun-grabber’s stuff, oh well.

davidk on January 21, 2013 at 6:14 PM

Seriously, I’d like to know.

Tom_Shipley on January 20, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Still and forever a liar. You will be treated as such.

Bmore on January 22, 2013 at 1:31 AM

Take away semi-automatic weapons and large capacity clips (which is what most gun control advocates are proposing) and what happens?

Seriously, I’d like to know.

Tom_Shipley on January 20, 2013 at 9:04 PM

So SEMI-AUTOMATIC is scary? the whole “pull the trigger once, get one bullet” thing is beyond you?

Ok, so revolvers clearly can’t be allowed either, they also allow multiple bullets. They’re as scary as semi-automatics are… so all handguns are on your ban list. Right?

Since you’ve decided a gun that CAN USE A CLIP OR MAGAZINE is too scary, why care about size. You’ve decided that BOLT-ACTION rifle is the only allowable self-defense.

Hey, 3 guys are breaking in your home… do you think they’ll wait for you to reload that bolt-action rifle?

Well, no worries; the cops will be there for your 911 call in 30-40 minutes.. I’m sure they’ll do a great job identifying your corpse.

What could go wrong… right? You don’t know anything about guns, don’t get what semi-automatic means, don’t know what you’re proposing to ban… clearly we should put you in charge.

Hey, I don’t know a thing about rockets or astrophysics… can I run NASA? I promise NOT to study, find out anything about rockets, or in any way educate myself.

No? I can’t run NASA? But you should help decide gun law without knowing what semi-automatic means when you work to ban all semi-automatic weapons?

Why is your ignorance treasured while mine is a detriment to giving me control and power?

gekkobear on January 22, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Since you’ve decided a gun that CAN USE A CLIP OR MAGAZINE is too scary, why care about size. You’ve decided that BOLT-ACTION rifle is the only allowable self-defense.

Hey, 3 guys are breaking in your home… do you think they’ll wait for you to reload that bolt-action rifle?

gekkobear on January 22, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Hmmm…. Do you think that four barrels worth of 12ga would meet their standard? I could see welding two double-barrels over-under to give you what you need.

Alternatively, if they ban clips and magazines, can we use belt-fed? I could see that working………..

/s

GWB on January 22, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Not as long as it’s the same tax as on other goods (i.e., a sales tax). Though some might argue an annual tax would be the same as a car tax (like in VA), the firearm isn’t consuming government supplied resources (roads, lights & signs, etc.) when it’s used. Of course, the car tax in VA is based on the ‘value’ of the car, so it’s hardly an usage tax, anyway.

GWB on January 21, 2013 at 12:16 PM

The issue I see with a tax is, given that firearms are there primarily to act as a check on severe government overreach, making a list of who owns what, and giving it to said government reduces the effectiveness of said check.

A large part of it is simple deterrence. An armed populous is just plain harder to take and rule by force than one that isn’t, so by keeping the populous at large well armed, and making it more difficult for said populous to be disarmed you make it that much more difficult, and when it is hard enough most of the greedy little buggers who would be willing to try and become dictator for life, will figure that it’s far easier and more practical to simply be corrupt little politicians and get their jollies that way.

Voyager on January 23, 2013 at 1:20 AM

Take away semi-automatic weapons and large capacity clips (which is what most gun control advocates are proposing) and what happens?

Seriously, I’d like to know.

Tom_Shipley on January 20, 2013 at 9:04 PM

You get England, where leaving a window open in your kids’ bedroom at night is considered the same as inviting in a burglar with a big knife.

I seem to recall that the author’s friend got a baseball bat after that incident, which, at the time, I believe he was sleeping with close at hand.

Voyager on January 23, 2013 at 1:26 AM

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