Sin Tax Wars! 60.9% of all smokes in NY go untaxed

posted at 8:31 am on January 19, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

With all the nonsense that’s been going on in the Empire State of late – especially the Governor’s successful gun rantings - I’d begun to worry that New York was doomed for mediocrity. But for better or worse, you just can’t keep the government of this state down. If we can’t lead in freedom, prosperity or employment, we can at least be the capital of piracy. (Cigarette smuggling piracy, that is.)

The Midland, Mich.-based Mackinac Center has released smuggling reports in 2006 and 2009, in addition to its most recent report covering 2011. In 2006, the Mackinac Center estimated that New York had the fifth highest smuggling rate in the country as 35.81%. In 2008, New York’s state excise tax on cigarettes nearly doubled, going from $1.50 to $2.75 per pack. In the Mackinac Center’s 2009 report, New York rose to number two on the list, with a smuggling rate of 47.35%. State excise taxes rose again in 2010, going from $2.75 to the state’s current $4.35. Not surprisingly, the 190% increase in state excise taxes from 2006 through 2011 catapulted New York to its title as the most smuggled state.

But this still leaves a pressing question. Where are all of these smokes coming from? It’s not as if Al Gore’s global warming has suddenly turned New York into a great place to grow tobacco. According to another analysis, the largest (illegal) exporter of cigarettes to the Big Apple was New Hampshire. How could that happen?

New Hampshire had the highest share of its cigarettes — 26.8 percent — smuggled out of the state. The state cut its tax rate in 2011 by 10 cents to $1.68, still slightly higher than the national average. But it is surrounded by states with much higher tax rates. In Massachusetts, for example, the tax was $2.51 per pack.

If it was easier to get large quantities of cigarettes from a place like Tennessee to New York, that’s where they would be coming from. (You can find Marlboros there for under five bucks a pack today, all taxes included.) But New Hampshire is closer, so their retailers reap the benefits. Meanwhile, Governor Cuomo’s state continues to bleed out cash, thinking that just one more tax hike will finally make the difference and put us back in the black.

Let us know how that works out, Andy.

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Big government know no limits.

MoreLiberty on April 23, 2013 at 2:03 PM

They don’t call ‘em Libtards for nothing.

hillsoftx on April 23, 2013 at 2:04 PM

evangelical sharia 2.0
–ch

tom daschle concerned on April 23, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Can you also raise the voting age? At least that would do some level of good.

nobar on April 23, 2013 at 2:06 PM

The proposal would make the age for buying cigarettes and other tobacco products the same as for purchasing liquor, but it would not prohibit people under 21 from possessing or even smoking cigarettes.

So basically you’ll have 18 and 19 year olds pestering you outside of newsstands or convenience stores.
Idiots. Yeah, I’ll buy your ciggies, is there a buck in it for me?

Marcus on April 23, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Kind of defeats the purpose of a sin tax so high that it makes bootlegging profitable again, doesn’t it?

M240H on April 23, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Soon there will be age limits if you want to buy soda, candy, or red meat.

nazo311 on April 23, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Can you also raise the voting age? At least that would do some level of good.

nobar on April 23, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Voting age should be around 30, unless you are in the military.

nazo311 on April 23, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Can we take the same approach to abortion?

weaselyone on April 23, 2013 at 2:11 PM

OT: Corzine Sued by Trustee Freeh Over MF Global Failure

Freeh, a trustee for the failed holding company of the brokerage, alleged that they failed to act in good faith and implemented strategies that caused the company to fail.

During their tenure, the three executives “dramatically changed the company’s business plan without addressing existing systemic weaknesses that ultimately caused the plan to fail,” Freeh said in the complaint.

The lawsuit seeks unspecified damages “to be determined at trial,” as well as legal fees, according to the 61-page filing.

agmartin on April 23, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Voting age should be around 30, unless you are in the military.

nazo311 on April 23, 2013 at 2:10 PM

The way it should be: If you’re not old enough to serve the office you’re voting for, you can’t vote.

nobar on April 23, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Frankly, I think it far more interesting that Mayor Nanny Nation now says we need to rethink the way we interpret the Constitution!

What say we start a thread on this doozy!

pilamaye on April 23, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Let’s just get this straight. Eighteen-year-olds are old enough to be independents, to vote, to serve their country, to go to prison, and etcetera… but they’re not old enough to decide whether or not to buy tobacco alcohol?

A slight fix, as was used back in the 70s when people wanted the drinking age lowered from 21 to 18. I sure was happy. I celebrated my 18th birthday by walking into a bar and ordering my first legal beer.

Liam on April 23, 2013 at 2:15 PM

I wonder… after a few more years of stuff like this, will there be a POTUS in 2046 or so, who was the son/daughter of wealthy cigaretee bootleggers? Perhaps some new political family is waiting to be born out of what is to come.

reaganaut on April 23, 2013 at 2:16 PM

I wouldn’t live in New York if they paid me. It’s like a different country.

Big Orange on April 23, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Stupid ashes!

Shy Guy on April 23, 2013 at 2:18 PM

We need background checks for this
-mika and joe

cmsinaz on April 23, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Don’t they need people buying cigs in order to raise taxes off of them? The harder you make it, the less revenue you get.

Doughboy on April 23, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Age controls are largely enforced by the tobacco companies (they penalize the retailers via their discount programs). Since so many cigarettes sold in NYC do not follow the legitimate supply chain because of the high exise taxes, that control is missing. Of course when it comes to “sin” products, the nannies never envision the dominoes that fall after the first one. So set the age at 60 or 80. It won’t matter.

But let’s expand on the theme…high taxes on a low weight high margin product lead to the “gray market” (I wonder how many cigarettes travel up I95 everyday?). Turf wars are a result and people get hurt. Then we demonize the tobacco companies for their “marketing to kids” (largely their discount programs that provided the age controls).

teejk on April 23, 2013 at 2:23 PM

‘Oh, it’s Big Brother, get used to it.’

- Nanny Doomberg on drones, 22 March 2013

Resist We Much on April 23, 2013 at 2:23 PM

ROFL

You people that live in NYC are sheep; deluded, ignorant, wussified sheep and you deserve every ounce of this.

Bishop on April 23, 2013 at 2:24 PM

Liberals never stop. Liberals are never satisfied.

They will only stop when we’re all dead.

darwin on April 23, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Men can die for their land at 18.

However, they can’t make decisions…to die for.

Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 2:29 PM

“After Boston the constitution is dead” — Nanny Bloomberg.

He doesn’t mean it the way you do.

Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Exempt everyone under 21 from paying income tax because taxation without representation is STILL tyrany.

How many 18 – 20 year olds are protecting your sorry as* these days?

Wander on April 23, 2013 at 2:30 PM

If only there was some way for 18 year old New Yorkers to get to New Jersey to buy cigarettes. Like perhaps a train.
If only.

rbj on April 23, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Bloomberg having hit his term limit

Again.

I sincerely hope that Anthony Weiner becomes the next mayor and continues the nanny statism by going out after hot dog vendors on the streets of New York. The headline, of course, would be: Dirty Dawg takes on Dirty Dogs.

Happy Nomad on April 23, 2013 at 2:32 PM

It’s the vendor who gets screwed.

Blake on April 23, 2013 at 2:32 PM

When Jonah Goldberg wrote Liberal Fascism and used the Happy Face as his logo I thought it was funny. Man was he wrong. There is nothing that Bloomy does that gives off that Happy Face look.

Lance Murdock on April 23, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Black market sales will go sky high.

darwin on April 23, 2013 at 2:34 PM

The age to legally buy cigarettes in New York City would rise to 21 from 18 under a proposal that officials unveiled on Monday

So let me get this straight. In NY you can get a condom in grade school but you have to wait until your senior year of college to legally by cigarettes?

Happy Nomad on April 23, 2013 at 2:35 PM

Liberals never stop. Liberals are never satisfied.

They will only stop when we’re they’re all dead.

darwin on April 23, 2013 at 2:28 PM

FIFY.

Better outcome.

trigon on April 23, 2013 at 2:36 PM

So let me get this straight. In NY you can get a condom in grade school but you have to wait until your senior year of college to legally by cigarettes?

Happy Nomad on April 23, 2013 at 2:35 PM

And compulsory abortifascients at every age.

tom daschle concerned on April 23, 2013 at 2:37 PM

My how times have changed…..

In my often times misspent youth, my buddies and I were
scolded for smoking cigarettes…but we faced serious
consequences for smoking weed….

ToddPA on April 23, 2013 at 2:40 PM

I know it’s not going to happen, but the cigarette companies should do a simple act: stop distributing cigarettes in NYC. Smokers will travel outside the 5 boroughs and be mildly inconvenienced. Bums hardest hit of course.
I’d love to hear the howls and cries from Big Sissy Nanny Bloomy as his budget goes to crap. All that “revenue” from cig taxes would be gone. If they’re so interested in public health, ban it. Be done with it. But they won’t. They need a certain percentage of folks smoking but they’ll never admit it.

smfic on April 23, 2013 at 2:41 PM

So let me get this straight. In NY you can get a condom in grade school but you have to wait until your senior year of college to legally by cigarettes?

Happy Nomad on April 23, 2013 at 2:35 PM

Liberal logic! And thanks to a PA Federal judge, girls at any age can now buy the morning-after pill on request and over the counter. I expect that, under Obamacare, she can get it at taxpayer expense.

Liam on April 23, 2013 at 2:43 PM

‘cuz Nanny knows best!

‘You wait, in five years, the technology is getting better, they’ll be cameras everyplace . . . whether you like it or not.’

- Nanny Doomberg

‘We’re going to have more visibility and less privacy.’

- Nanny Doomberg

‘But what’s the difference whether the drone is up in the air or on the building? I mean intellectually I have trouble making a distinction. And you know you’re gonna have face recognition software. People are working on that. It’s just we’re going into a different world, unchartered.’

- Nanny Doomberg

‘I don’t understand why police officers across this country don’t stand up collectively and say we’re going to go on strike, we’re not going to protect you unless you, the public, through your legislature, do what’s required to keep us safe.’

- Nanny Doomberg

“If I were the federal government, assuming we could wave a magic wand and pull everybody together, you pass a law letting immigrants come in as long as they agree to go to Detroit and live there for five to 10 years, start businesses, take jobs or whatever. You would populate Detroit overnight because half the world wants to come here. All the federal government’s got to do is say, ‘We’re gonna welcome here in this country–first come, first served–families, if they’re willing to come here under the following terms:

We’re going to assign you Detroit –you got to agree to not be arrested and not take any federal, state or city money, and you’ve got to live there and if you survive, we’ll make you and your family full citizens.’

- Nanny Doomberg, NIMBY-lover extraordinaire!

Resist We Much on April 23, 2013 at 2:44 PM

CHICAGO! They really need to make a new musical.

Attorneys for The Rutherford Institute have filed a civil rights lawsuit against a Chicago public school district on behalf of a second-grade teacher who was suspended after he displayed garden-variety tools such as wrenches, pliers and screwdrivers in his classroom as part of a “tool discussion” in his class.

Despite the fact that all potentially hazardous items were kept out of the students’ reach, school officials at Washington Irving Elementary School informed Doug Bartlett, a 17-year veteran in the classroom, that his use of the tools as visual aids endangered his students. Bartlett was subsequently penalized with a four-day suspension without pay – charged with possessing, carrying, storing or using a weapon.

tom daschle concerned on April 23, 2013 at 2:55 PM

evangelical sharia 2.0
–ch

tom daschle concerned on April 23, 2013 at 2:04 PM

I don’t care who you are – that’s funny right there.

PJ Emeritus on March 26, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Capitalist Hog on April 23, 2013 at 2:55 PM

So basically you’ll have 18 and 19 year olds pestering you outside of newsstands or convenience stores.
Idiots. Yeah, I’ll buy your ciggies, is there a buck in it for me?

Marcus on April 23, 2013 at 2:08 PM

And this folks is why Cops was one of the most successful television shows ever.
Either you have a need to be Ace Cool Guy or you’re so broke that a single dollar provides incentive to commit crime. Your life is a sarc tag.

Capitalist Hog on April 23, 2013 at 3:00 PM

OT: Corzine Sued by Trustee Freeh Over MF Global Failure

Freeh, a trustee for the failed holding company of the brokerage, alleged that they failed to act in good faith and implemented strategies that caused the company to fail.

During their tenure, the three executives “dramatically changed the company’s business plan without addressing existing systemic weaknesses that ultimately caused the plan to fail,” Freeh said in the complaint.

The lawsuit seeks unspecified damages “to be determined at trial,” as well as legal fees, according to the 61-page filing.

agmartin on April 23, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Good, that SOB should be in jail. A civil suit is the least he should be hit with.

slickwillie2001 on April 23, 2013 at 3:00 PM

In NYC:

21 or older to buy tobacco products

Access to morning after pill. UNRESTRICTED (no parental consent required either)

ROFL

You people that live in NYC are sheep; deluded, ignorant, wussified sheep and you deserve every ounce of this.

Bishop on April 23, 2013 at 2:24 PM

This….

Talon on April 23, 2013 at 3:01 PM

“‘Somebody said… “Oh then maybe there won’t be enough painkillers for the poor who use the emergency rooms as their primary care doctor. Number one, there’s no evidence of that. Number two, supposing it is really true, so you didn’t get enough painkillers and you did have to suffer a little bit. The other side of the coin is people are dying and there’s nothing perfect …There’s nothing that you can possibly do where somebody isn’t going to suffer, and it’s always the same group (claiming), “Everybody is heartless.” Come on, this is a very big problem.’

- Nanny Doomberg

‘I would argue if you want to sell your gun to your son, maybe you have a problem in your family.’

- Billionaire Doomberg

“What we cant do is let the protection get in the way of us enjoying our freedoms. You still want to let people practice their religion, no matter what that religion is. And I think one of the great dangers here is going and categorizing anybody from one religion as a terrorist. That’s not true … That would let the terrorists win. That’s what they want us to do.”

- Nanny Knows What Terrorists Think And Want

‘Well, we have to provide the world’s best schools. We certainly don’t have them, but that’s our objective.’

- Principal Bloomberg of NYC Schools where 80% of graduates cannot read, but can get all of the reproductive services they want

‘People have to get over the idea that they can just go wherever they want whenever they want.’

- Napoleon Doomberg

Resist We Much on April 23, 2013 at 3:01 PM

0-17: Good to get contraception for free in NYC schools

18: You can fight for your country unless you are one of the 80%, who graduated from a NYC high school and can’t read

21: You can drink alcohol…IF THE PUB OR STRIP JOINT TAKES EBT CARD.

21: You can buy a packet of f@gs…IF YOU CAN AFFORD THE $15!

27: You need to start looking for your own health insurance because yews bees an adult now.

NYC may not be hell, but it is damn well close.

So glad I’m outta there.

Resist We Much on April 23, 2013 at 3:08 PM

In NYC:

21 or older to buy tobacco products

Access to morning after pill. UNRESTRICTED (no parental consent required either)

One has led to hundreds of thousands of deaths around the globe and score more cases of heart and lung diseases. Not to mention the miserable people trying to break their addiction to toxic chemicals. The other allows people to make poor sexual choices without becoming pregnant before they are mature enough to raise a child. So I can see why you think they should be regulated the same.

libfreeordie on April 23, 2013 at 3:26 PM

libfreeordie on April 23, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Is there NO position set by liberals that you will not support, no matter how intrusive or just plain insane?

Don’t go into an exposition, please. A one-sentence response of ten words or less would suffice. Anything more is bullshit.

Liam on April 23, 2013 at 3:32 PM

You can die for your country, just not from cigarettes.

NickelAndDime on April 23, 2013 at 3:33 PM

One has led to hundreds of thousands of deaths around the globe and score more cases of heart and lung diseases. Not to mention the miserable people trying to break their addiction to toxic chemicals. The other allows people to make poor sexual choices without becoming pregnant before they are mature enough to raise a child. So I can see why you think they should be regulated the same.

libfreeordie on April 23, 2013 at 3:26 PM

The state should not become the parent.

I felt compelled to tell you that even though I know you can’t comprehend the consequences of giving men and women power over every aspect of your life. It never ends well.

darwin on April 23, 2013 at 3:59 PM

One has led to hundreds of thousands of deaths around the globe and score more cases of heart and lung diseases. Not to mention the miserable people trying to break their addiction to toxic chemicals. The other allows people to make poor sexual choices without becoming pregnant before they are mature enough to raise a child. So I can see why you think they should be regulated the same.

libfreeordie on April 23, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Let me get this straight, professor. (No pun intended) You want to have sex with a 16 year old boy, but he can’t have an after-sex cigarette after until he’s 21?

hawkdriver on April 23, 2013 at 4:02 PM

libfreeordie on April 23, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Let me get this straight, professor. (No pun intended) You want to have sex with a 16 year old boy, but he can’t have an after-sex cigarette after until he’s 21?

hawkdriver on April 23, 2013 at 4:02 PM

That’s gonna leave a mark for sure.

slickwillie2001 on April 23, 2013 at 4:06 PM

libfreeordie on April 23, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Let me get this straight, professor. (No pun intended) You want to have sex with a 16 year old boy, but he can’t have an after-sex cigarette after until he’s 21?

hawkdriver on April 23, 2013 at 4:02 PM
That’s gonna leave a mark for sure.

slickwillie2001 on April 23, 2013 at 4:06 PM

It sounds better without the second after. Like this?

Let me get this straight, professor. (No pun intended) You want to have sex with a 16 year old boy, but he can’t have an after-sex cigarette until he’s 21?

hawkdriver on April 23, 2013 at 4:02 PM

hawkdriver on April 23, 2013 at 4:10 PM

By Jove, I’ve got it! If we raise the legal age to 91, 96% of the population will be dead before being eligible. There’ll be lots of cheating, you say! Not if we embed a RFID (radio frequency ID chip)in each pack to locate and ID the smoker.. This will also raise the cost of each pack to $125–another barrier to smoking.

MaiDee on April 23, 2013 at 4:14 PM

One has led to hundreds of thousands of deaths around the globe and score more cases of heart and lung diseases. Not to mention the miserable people trying to break their addiction to toxic chemicals. The other allows people to make poor sexual choices without becoming pregnant before they are mature enough to raise a child. So I can see why you think they should be regulated the same.

libfreeordie on April 23, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Then ban genetics bcs it is GENETICS that is the ULTIMATE cause of people who die from lung cancer bcs of smoking.
Bcs a lot of people do NOT get lung cancer from smoking.
Also, some people become addicted to substances while others never do.
This is also GENETICS.
Regarding becoming pregnant? This is #1 a parent’s domain.
2nd it is society’s.
In the end, bcs this is a REPUBLIC and there is a CONSTITUTION that specifically enumerates FEDERAL powers (limits), unfortunately, if NY wants this garbage & votes for it, I guess they get that garbage.
It is when the Fed gets involved we have a problem.

However, I’m quite sure that livelikeaslaveanddie does not understand that the freedom to choose to be successful goes hand in hand with the freedom to choose to do things that are not good for you.
IT is not anyone’s business if an 18yo legal adult is smoking tobacco, which is not an illegal substance.
Do you even understand the irony here regarding condoms & the morning after pill being available to young children who are clearly not old enough to make a properly informed choice regarding that product, but think they are too dumb when they’re legal adults to choose to smoke tobacco or not?

Badger40 on April 23, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Let me get this straight, professor. (No pun intended) You want to have sex with a 16 year old boy, but he can’t have an after-sex cigarette after until he’s 21?

hawkdriver on April 23, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Stinging!

You need to start flying gunships, with that kind of rebuke.

Outstanding! h/t

Liam on April 23, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Let me get this straight, professor. (No pun intended) You want to have sex with a 16 year old boy, but he can’t have an after-sex cigarette after until he’s 21?

hawkdriver on April 23, 2013 at 4:02 PM
Stinging!

You need to start flying gunships, with that kind of rebuke.

Outstanding! h/t

Liam on April 23, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Hooah!

hawkdriver on April 23, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Or maybe like this …

Let me get this straight, professor. (No pun intended) You want to have sex with a 16 year old boy, but he can’t have an after-sex cigarette until after he’s 21?

I’m torn.

hawkdriver on April 23, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Dear Lord…have fun with these morons New Yorkers!

Can’t wait to see what she proposes if elected:

End to short skirts cause that leads to rapes and distractions for drivers…

Ban Sushi since Mercury is bad for you…

Censor all movies rated higher than PG-13 and raise PG-13 to PG-23

nextgen_repub on April 23, 2013 at 4:27 PM

A 20 year-old combat Marine goes to NYC and can’t buy cigarettes?

Hm.

I’m surprised to see libfree support this. Doesn’t he want his teenaged sex partners to be able to smoke a cig after they smoke his pole?

Washington Nearsider on April 23, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Let me get this straight, professor. (No pun intended) You want to have sex with a 16 year old boy, but he can’t have an after-sex cigarette after until he’s 21?

hawkdriver on April 23, 2013 at 4:02 PM

1. I don’t want to have sex with a 16 year old. As I have said, I agree with the residents of the 30 states where the age of consent is set at 16. I don’t sleep with younger men.

2. I do not sleep with cigarette smokers, of any age.

libfreeordie on April 23, 2013 at 4:40 PM

I know it’s not going to happen, but the cigarette companies should do a simple act: stop distributing cigarettes in NYC. smfic on April 23, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Nobody in their right mind would would currently buy a pack of smokes in NYC unless they were out of smokes and wanted to drive home (drunk) to have unprotected sex with some woman they just met at a bar (credits to comedian Auggie Smith). Cig trade in NYC is probably 80% outside the normal distribution channel…Mob and gangs. I think I saw a story last week that said a semi-load is worth $1.2 mil. So given the current scenario, changing the age is yet another “do-nothing” plan.

teejk on April 23, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Why does anybody live in New York?

Axion on April 23, 2013 at 4:49 PM

2. I do not sleep with cigarette smokers, of any age.

libfreeordie on April 23, 2013 at 4:40 PM

Are you okay with people on methadone?

Liam on April 23, 2013 at 4:55 PM

In NYC:

21 or older to buy tobacco products

Access to morning after pill. UNRESTRICTED (no parental consent required either)

One has led to hundreds of thousands of deaths around the globe and score more cases of heart and lung diseases. Not to mention the miserable people trying to break their addiction to toxic chemicals. The other allows people to make poor sexual choices without becoming pregnant before they are mature enough to raise a child. So I can see why you think they should be regulated the same.

libfreeordie on April 23, 2013 at 3:26 PM

I’ll see your ‘hundreds of thousands of deaths around the globe’ and raise you a few billion of deaths around the globe.

I suppose that none of those ‘tweens, preteens, or teenagers, who are having sex, especially the unprotected variety considering the fact that they need Plan B*, without their parents’ knowledge, NEVER, EVER, EVER contract HIV, syphilis, gonorrhea, HPV, condyloma acuminatum, herpes, hepatitis A, B, or C, chlamydia, or any other sexually-transmitted disease that can result in infertility, skin rashes, amputations, cancer, cardiac problems, neurological conditions, blindness, insanity, birth defects, infective transmittance, etc…oh, and DEATH.

And, I suppose that statutory rape laws should just be thrown on the ash-heap of history. Who cares if some 60 year-old Svengali-like pervert preys on 12 and 13 year-old girls, right? As long as they don’t get pregnant and he throws them a few bones in the way of cheap sunglasses and dispose-after-wearing dresses, what’s the prob, right? It’s not as though he might f*ck them up emotionally or get them addicted to drugs. Hell, when he’s finished with them, he might even pass them around to his friends…and some would call that a P-A-R-T-A-Y!

Seriously, what could possibly go wrong when older men prey on teenagers, who are vulnerable, impressionable, and finding their way in the world?

Well, I mean, other than you anyway….

* Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know! Condoms break…but, they break a helluva lot less than hot child in the city gets drunk and dribbles off those Bobby Brooks slacks so that Jack can do what he pleases.

Resist We Much on April 23, 2013 at 4:58 PM

I suppose that none of those ‘tweens, preteens, or teenagers, who are having sex, especially the unprotected variety considering the fact that they need Plan B*, without their parents’ knowledge, NEVER, EVER, EVER contract HIV, syphilis, gonorrhea, HPV, condyloma acuminatum, herpes, hepatitis A, B, or C, chlamydia, or any other sexually-transmitted disease that can result in infertility, skin rashes, amputations, cancer, cardiac problems, neurological conditions, blindness, insanity, birth defects, infective transmittance, etc…oh, and DEATH.

Logic fail on your part. Birth control pills and plan B have no impact on STDs either way. Therefore its availability is immaterial to these issues.

I, of course, think condoms should be provided in schools in order to prevent the spread of most of those diseases and they should be combined with materials which offer sexually active young people less dangerous alternatives, ala mutual masturbation.

nd, I suppose that statutory rape laws should just be thrown on the ash-heap of history. Who cares if some 60 year-old Svengali-like pervert preys on 12 and 13 year-old girls, right? As long as they don’t get pregnant and he throws them a few bones in the way of cheap sunglasses and dispose-after-wearing dresses, what’s the prob, right? It’s not as though he might f*ck them up emotionally or get them addicted to drugs. Hell, when he’s finished with them, he might even pass them around to his friends…and some would call that a P-A-R-T-A-Y!

Is this being directed towards me? I am on record as in favor of 16 as the age of consent, which it is in the majority of U.S. states. 12, 13, 14 and 15 year olds, of course should remain protected by statutory rape laws for al the reasons you’ve stated. Again, your point is?

* Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know! Condoms break…but, they break a helluva lot less than hot child in the city gets drunk and dribbles off those Bobby Brooks slacks so that Jack can do what he pleases.

Resist We Much on April 23, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Right……….

libfreeordie on April 23, 2013 at 5:06 PM

Resist We Much on April 23, 2013 at 4:58 PM

You do so much to show liberals their fallacies, yet they do not see or want to hear.

I gave up on them a long time ago; they’re not worth the effort because they don’t want it in the first place.

Liam on April 23, 2013 at 5:11 PM

they should be combined with materials which offer sexually active young people less dangerous alternatives, ala mutual masturbation.

libfreeordie on April 23, 2013 at 5:06 PM

In certain circles, that’s called ‘abstinence’. Many liberals hate the entire idea of abstinence in any form.

Liam on April 23, 2013 at 5:13 PM

In certain circles, that’s called ‘abstinence’. Many liberals hate the entire idea of abstinence in any form.

Liam on April 23, 2013 at 5:13 PM

Liberals have been trained to unwittingly follow the ideas of Antonio Gramsci, Georg Lukacs and the Frankfurt School.

Boy, are liberals ever gonna be mad when they finally figure out they got duped and played for chumps.

darwin on April 23, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Logic fail on your part. Birth control pills and plan B have no impact on STDs either way. Therefore its availability is immaterial to these issues.

Has anyone ever told you that you are a simpleton and incapable of complex thinking?

OF COURSE, BCP and Plan B have no impact on STDs, but ALL of them have one thing in common: SEXUAL ACTIVITY.

When schools step in and start handing out contraceptives or taking girls to have abortions, they are cutting out parents or guardians. They are undermining the relationship between parent and child. There is MUCH more to sex than the ability to have it. There are MANY, MANY, MANY MORE problems with becoming sexually active at a young age than just getting pregnant or becoming infected with a STD. There are emotional and psychological issues that schools are ill-equipped to handle. One-size-fits-all doesn’t work. Parents and children need this relationship. At the end of the day, it will be the parents that will deal with the fallout and wreckage, if any.

Schools don’t even deal very well with the bullying that goes on within their own walls. Look at the Steubenville rape. Who did the school try to protect? The victim or the jocks? How many girls have committed suicide following losing her virginity to a slimeball, who then gets his friends to join in on the bullying at school?

Who deals with the non-fatal fallout of depression, self-mutilation, anorexia, bulimia, etc?

You want to keep parents in the dark and replace them and their role with the state.

I had a daughter. She died shortly after birth. Had she lived, I would have had open and frank conversations with her. I am extremely far from being a prude, but I would try to convince her to put off having sex for as long as possible until she was ready to deal with ALL of the issues involved, including the emotional ones. If she decided, however, that she wanted to have sex, I would support that decision and make sure that she was protected. I know that locking her up in her room would only result in a devastating blow to our relationship and a likely sexual relationship/STD/pregnancy/broken heart/or whatever anyway.

I, of course, think condoms should be provided in schools in order to prevent the spread of most of those diseases and they should be combined with materials which offer sexually active young people less dangerous alternatives, ala mutual masturbation.

80% of the graduates from NYC high schools CANNOT READ; yet, you want them to focus on teaching about sex and less dangerous alternatives like ‘mutual masturbation’? As an aside, NO ONE EVER HAD TO TEACH ME ABOUT MASTURBATION OR MUTUAL MASTURBATION. I bet that schools in China, Japan, and South Korea spend, um, little to NO time on any of those subjects, which is why those kids KICK OUR KIDS’ ASSES ALL DAY LONG.

Is this being directed towards me? I am on record as in favor of 16 as the age of consent, which it is in the majority of U.S. states. 12, 13, 14 and 15 year olds, of course should remain protected by statutory rape laws for al the reasons you’ve stated. Again, your point is?

If schools or PP are handing out BCP or Plan B, then THE QUESTION never gets asked. In fact, PP is notorious for NOT asking THE QUESTION even when a 12 or 13 year-old comes in for an abortion.

What is ‘THE QUESTION’?

WITH WHOM ARE YOU HAVING SEX AND HOW OLD IS THE PERSON?

At the very least, schools, PP, and others, including parents, have a responsibility to not facilitate statutory rape.

* Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know! Condoms break…but, they break a helluva lot less than hot child in the city gets drunk and dribbles off those Bobby Brooks slacks so that Jack can do what he pleases.

Resist We Much on April 23, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Right……….

libfreeordie on April 23, 2013 at 5:06 PM

Name the two songs. C’mon. That was such a gimme.

Resist We Much on April 23, 2013 at 5:57 PM

I thought according to Obamacare, the new age of majority was 26?

Nutstuyu on April 23, 2013 at 5:59 PM

Can you also raise the voting age? At least that would do some level of good.

nobar on April 23, 2013 at 2:06 PM
Voting age should be around 30, unless you are in the military.

nazo311 on April 23, 2013 at 2:10 PM

I’d settle for 25, the earliest one can hold federal elected office.

Nutstuyu on April 23, 2013 at 6:09 PM

One has led to hundreds of thousands of deaths around the globe and score more cases of heart and lung diseases. Not to mention the miserable people trying to break their addiction to toxic chemicals. The other allows people to make poor sexual choices without becoming pregnant before they are mature enough to raise a child. So I can see why you think they should be regulated the same.

libfreeordie on April 23, 2013 at 3:26 PM

So you have no issue with a 12 year old making a poor sexual decision?

In what state is that NOT RAPE?!?!?

AIDS has caused hundreds of thousands if not MILLIONS of deaths too….what regulation would you suggest your benevolent overlords enact to stop these senseless deaths?!?!?

Talon on April 23, 2013 at 6:11 PM

So you have no issue with a 12 year old making a poor sexual decision?

In what state is that NOT RAPE?!?!?

AIDS has caused hundreds of thousands if not MILLIONS of deaths too….what regulation would you suggest your benevolent overlords enact to stop these senseless deaths?!?!?

Talon on April 23, 2013 at 6:11 PM

http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/anotherkiller-disease-striking-homosexuals

Uh oh, lickmeordie is going to need extra-thick condoms.

Nutstuyu on April 23, 2013 at 6:21 PM

Liberals never stop. Liberals are never satisfied.

They will only stop when we’re all dead.

They don’t even stop there. There are inheritance taxes and actively dead registered voters to prove it, too.

hawkeye54 on April 23, 2013 at 6:27 PM

I’m confused, Professor. Does that mean you will allow him to have a cigarette after sex with one of your colleagues?

hawkdriver on April 23, 2013 at 7:14 PM

The criminals thank you. There is already a brisk black market in cigarettes smuggled in from low tax states in NY. This will just give the bootleggers another niche.

pgrossjr on April 23, 2013 at 7:18 PM

Nutstuyu on April 23, 2013 at 6:21 PM

And the hits just keep coming!!

Talon on April 23, 2013 at 7:42 PM

libfreeordie on April 23, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Let me get this straight, professor. (No pun intended) You want to have sex with a 16 year old boy, but he can’t have an after-sex cigarette after until he’s 21?

hawkdriver on April 23, 2013 at 4:02 PM

…turdfreeorpee probable wants the age of consent…to start in kindergarten!

KOOLAID2 on April 23, 2013 at 8:32 PM

probably

KOOLAID2 on April 23, 2013 at 8:34 PM

2. I do not sleep with cigarette smokers, of any age.

libfreeordie on April 23, 2013 at 4:40 PM

Great to see liberal principles at work!(as we know, its a fire-risk to smoke in bed)

Bloomberg is clinically bored - he just can’t stay out of the news and he’s flailing around for issues to bloviate over. Don’t feed the mayor troll.

virgo on April 24, 2013 at 2:21 AM

And on the other end of the spectrum, high salt intake has no risk except to those few who have certain susceptibilities. Unless dehydrated or suffering from another condition, the body dumps the extra salt almost immediately.

taznar on May 15, 2013 at 4:44 PM