On “condemning” our violent culture
posted at 10:01 am on January 19, 2013 by Jazz Shaw
When the President put his pen to nearly two dozen executive orders regarding gun control, there were a couple of glaring omissions which many of us quickly noted. One was the fact that the previously ballyhooed “balanced approach” to gun violence, mental health issues and the “culture” of violence in video games and films turned out to be little more than gun banning. Even the fig leaf given to the issue of those facing mental health issues amounted to little more of any substance than a way to generate more lists of people who couldn’t buy guns. But the other half of that balance sheet was entirely missing. There was nothing more than lip service to the so called problem of violent video games and movies.
Apparently seeking some redress for this omission, Matt Lewis penned a column about the need to shame Hollywood into condemning their pandering to a blood crazed nation. It starts out as something of a tribute to the latest onslaught from Mika Brzezinski and Joe Scarborough for calling out the evils of Quenton Tarantino and all of the millions of dollars he’s made from gun happy films.
“I think you need to bring people like Harvey Weinstein around the table,” Scarborough continued, “and just say, ‘this is no longer socially acceptable. It is no longer socially acceptable after Newtown for you to give Quenton Tarantino money to make movies that glorify slaughter, murder, rage, than it would be, Harvey, for you to give somebody millions of dollars to make a cheap porn movie.’”
I could have stopped reading right there, except that Lewis redeems himself a bit by noting that government censorship is no answer. And yet, he still sees fit to pass judgement.
As a culture, we have decided that a lot of things may be legal, but are still deserving of scorn. For example, being racist or sexist comes with consequences. We as a society have decided it’s okay to shame someone for this behavior.
If you make money peddling violence, then you’re making the world a less sublime place for me to live. I might have to live with that, but you shouldn’t get a Golden Globe Award for it, either.
Violence in video games, violence in movies… it’s very easy to make a case against them. And anyone who disapproves is not only free to avoid them, but to speak their mind about it. But this diatribe seems to fail the core test of conservatism on two levels. First of all, who are these “leaders” we are supposedly waiting for to lead the charge against the next release of Grand Theft Auto or Die Hard Seven – Geriatric Grenade Thrower? Surely we already agree that it’s not Uncle Sam, but who should we be welcoming as the “thought leader” on a national level? Aren’t these precisely the sorts of things which not only can, but should be entrusted to parents and spiritual leaders?
And what of the free market? How many people have watched all of these “awful” films? How many people have purchased shooter based video games? (Hint: More than 11 million bought Grand Theft Auto 3 alone.) And out of all of them, less than a dozen irreparably damaged, sub-human lunatics have gone on mass shooting sprees. So the rest of the consumers bear the guilt for this handful of monsters? Seeking to gather together an army to “shame” the producer of a legal product isn’t all that different from asking the nanny state to outlaw 16 oz sodas or bring lawsuits against McDonalds. (It’s better, mind you, as it doesn’t turn the parental responsibility over to the government, but the effect is the same.) If people produce a product which nobody wants, it will fail and they will go out of business. If the product is not only legal but popular, you are effectively seeking to censor everyone else with a shaming campaign. Feel free to speak up all you like, but don’t expect everyone else to fall in line.
I applaud anyone who takes the responsibility to manage the affairs of their family wisely, monitor what their children do and teach them to be constructive members of society. And I leave room for each of us to pick the sort of entertainment we choose to take in, providing we all take responsibility for our own actions. Government’s place is to punish those who break the rules we collectively agree upon as defining civilized conduct. It’s not to preemptively regulate what we see, hear or legally do to make sure we don’t go off the deep end. And when it comes to non-regulated offerings, blaming Hollywood or Rockstar Games (the makers of GTA) for our violent culture is exactly the same as blaming McDonalds because you’re fat.
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I saw Robert Redford the other night on a Route 66 episode from 1961. Pinnacle of his career as far I’m concerned.
DanMan on May 6, 2013 at 12:04 PM
I am so sick of the anti-hero.
Cindy Munford on May 6, 2013 at 12:06 PM
I’m frankly amazed it’s made that much. I clicked on the Box Office Mojo link and was disappointed to see that Lem Dobbs wrote the screenplay. I can’t believe the dude who scripted Dark City and The Limey wrote this dreck.
Doughboy on May 6, 2013 at 12:07 PM
No sympathy for Redford. What a douche.
Free Indeed on May 6, 2013 at 12:08 PM
Dear Mr. Redford.
Drop dead.
And I mean that with the greatest of sincerity.
Shy Guy on May 6, 2013 at 12:11 PM
Exactly. Well put, sir.
Agent of the Cross on May 6, 2013 at 12:11 PM
Think of this as a tax write off. His feelings at your expense. I bet it isn’t the first time either.
Cindy Munford on May 6, 2013 at 12:11 PM
Yeah, people don’t like terrorists, Redford. They don’t even want to bury them on our soil.
That goes for dirty, nasty, maggot infested hippie types that have tenure at liberal U.
May the rest of your career be cursed, Redford, you douche rag.
AllahsNippleHair on May 6, 2013 at 12:13 PM
Profiles in courage. Small man surrounded by an entourage. Says and does inflammatory things and yet too chickenshit to have a give and take in a forum. Same as bust my chakra Al Gore.
arnold ziffel on May 6, 2013 at 12:15 PM
Hey, Bob, a rich 1%’er like you is exactly who the WU was interested in eradicating from the land.
Limo libs are funny: They grab all the gold they can from the system and then pontificate on just what a nasty system it is.
Bishop on May 6, 2013 at 12:15 PM
Thirded. Not difficult at all.
Fenris on May 6, 2013 at 12:16 PM
I must admit, I’m surprised that Redford (a hardcore Hollywood leftie) supports a terrorist group comprising of white people who owned guns.
Kingfisher on May 6, 2013 at 12:18 PM
This movie is already streaming online. I didn’t realize it was a new release. Oops.
Plot wise, it is pretty laughable.
Robert Redford is very obvious in his acting and directing style. SL plays the exact same role he plays in every movie — young impressionable upstart in the dark destined to save the world.
Capitalist Hog on May 6, 2013 at 12:18 PM
That’s go to, umm, Sting?
trubble on May 6, 2013 at 12:19 PM
Nice group of trained apes Mr. Redford’s got right there, eh? Who needs a gun when you have that kind of
paid muscle, er entourage to keep the public away. Although, I’m more than willing to bet that at least one of the gorillas is carrying something.parke on May 6, 2013 at 12:25 PM
I look forward to Redford’s next movie, “Prairie Fire”.
It’s the story of a young band of plucky freedom fighters who unburden the land from white, conservative oppression by conducting a campaign of genocide against them resulting in the deaths of 25 million.
Bishop on May 6, 2013 at 12:28 PM
I am so bummed that Redford is gonna be in the next Captain America movie. I mean, seriously??!?? Of all the possible actors out there, Marvel went with him?
Jack_Burton on May 6, 2013 at 12:29 PM
Redford has been glorifying evil for his whole career.
His characters in The Sting and in Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid were criminals who were made to look like heroes.
itsnotaboutme on May 6, 2013 at 12:30 PM
Are they going to kill us with their wit? Lol
AllahsNippleHair on May 6, 2013 at 12:30 PM
I’m thinking that Bob and Jane need to reunite in somewhere like the old North Viet Nam. But since Hanoi ain’t like it use to be, I’d suggest one of those nice little working/B&B sites in North Korea. I hear it’s the Bomb!
parke on May 6, 2013 at 12:30 PM
Bishop, I think I’ve seen that flick. Isn’t it called Zimbabwe?
parke on May 6, 2013 at 12:32 PM
Keep asking the challenging questions Mr. Mattera!
workingclass artist on May 6, 2013 at 12:32 PM
Heh heh heh. Leftists always want to “start a conversation.” That means they get to talk and you get to shut up and listen. Problem with that? Shut up, you racist homophobe.
inviolet on May 6, 2013 at 12:32 PM
BTW, I posted the above comment on this YouTube vid to show support for my man Jason. Libs tend to dominate YouTube comment sections.
itsnotaboutme on May 6, 2013 at 12:33 PM
A conversation? They cannot defend their side. Better to just say, shut up and call us racists.
AllahsNippleHair on May 6, 2013 at 12:33 PM
Redford’s movie headed to the DVD discount ashbin of history…
workingclass artist on May 6, 2013 at 12:34 PM
I had read a piece about his new wave young artistic wife who unnamed Hollywood execs reportedly said during a dinner was embarrassingly over the top anti-Semitic and Redford sat silent like a drooling old man. The execs weren’t pleased and were too happy to share with the press. Doubtful the missus would ever have Streisand to dinner.
Marcus on May 6, 2013 at 12:34 PM
No. Can’t even squeeze out a fart for him.
AllahsNippleHair on May 6, 2013 at 12:37 PM
Redford is also planning a movie about Pol Pot called “Visionary Farmer: How A Single Brave Man Fertilized Cambodia”.
Bishop on May 6, 2013 at 12:38 PM
Nope.
Myron Falwell on May 6, 2013 at 12:39 PM
TWO THUMBS OFF!
Shy Guy on May 6, 2013 at 12:41 PM
Whenever liberals say they want a “conversation,” what they mean is they talk and you listen.
And you don’t question what they say.
CurtZHP on May 6, 2013 at 12:42 PM
Silly confused man. No wait, dangerous, idiotic man child.
2Tru2Tru on May 6, 2013 at 12:45 PM
You are known by the company you keep…
and the movies you make.
Hey, Bob, you are The Man. Get it? You’re being played, dude.
Why not make a movie about the Weather Underground that contains the truth about them? Why not pull Bill Ayers and Bernadette out of the new-cool-lib closet? That might actually be doing a service to someone other than yourself and your ego.
This is me, not holding my breath.
IndieDogg on May 6, 2013 at 12:50 PM
“Route 66” is still playing somewhere? Who knew?
oldleprechaun on May 6, 2013 at 12:51 PM
I heard he already has one in the can about two wild and crazy muslim guys in Boston who are framed for bombings at the Boston Marathon by a group of ordinary Tea Partiers just doing what Tea Partiers do. The working title: “Boston Baked”, but “Finish Line” is running a close second.
TXUS on May 6, 2013 at 12:56 PM
Anyone else get Redford’s Sundance catalog? Lots of pretty pricey things in it. I always look at the prices and laugh. It costs a lot of money to look Western-worn chic and rough-hewn homey.
I liked The Sting and The Great Gatsby (I was something like 17 years old when it came out.) That’ll be enough money from me, Mr. Redford. (I never did like Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid that much. That weird bicycle riding scene with Raindrops Keep Falling on My Head playing in the background… Reh? Too much of a screeching halt.)
Fallon on May 6, 2013 at 12:58 PM
SMACK! Good one.
Redford is not ashamed of his behavior at all at anytime that I have ever seen.
Far as I have heard, he ruined Sun Valley ID area for the people who had lived there & made a living on the land there by moving in & bringing the tourist trade making it impossible for normal people to be there.
Kinda like what has happened in many parts of CO & W. WY & W. MT.
D-bags, all of these kinds of people.
Badger40 on May 6, 2013 at 1:01 PM
Meanwhile in wacademia, Kent State hosted Bill Ayers this weekend;
He’s talking about “his own friends” who self-detonated while conspiring to commit mass murder at a Fort Dix dance.
Keep in mind, his phrase “action is necessary” is Ayers’ euphemacism for “setting bombs“;
/monstrous
Terp Mole on May 6, 2013 at 1:02 PM
Only for stupid people. I dress like that cuz it’s all I got.
BTW, Curt Pate, a respected western horseman, when asked what he thought of Redford (bcs he worked on the Horse Whisperer set) was tight lipped & only said. “He’s got a lot of money.”
Badger40 on May 6, 2013 at 1:03 PM
That’s a great episode. Are you catching them on Retro TV, or MeTV?
His last film (Lions For Lambs, the anti-Iraq War movie) was a flop, too. You’d think he’d learn that ticket buyers aren’t interested in being bludgeoned with that crap.
Ward Cleaver on May 6, 2013 at 1:05 PM
More on Bill Ayers speech at Kent State telling students there is no relationship between the Weather Underground bombings and the Boston Marathon bombings.
Get what he said there?
Murdering police officers is just target practice?
/monstrous
Terp Mole on May 6, 2013 at 1:09 PM
What? No. According to IMDB the title will be, “Three Days of the Pressure Cooker”.
Bishop on May 6, 2013 at 1:10 PM
It’s KENT STATE. It would have been surpising had he NOT been invited.
Myron Falwell on May 6, 2013 at 1:11 PM
A prequel: All the Camel’s men….three days in the desert.
AllahsNippleHair on May 6, 2013 at 1:15 PM
I will not watch this film.
No doubt, Redford’s film offers gross lies of omission such as Ayers’ vicious date rape of Donna Ron.
Terp Mole on May 6, 2013 at 1:16 PM
Why anyone gives a crap about Hollywood and the majority of the people who work there is beyond me… they certainly don’t give a crap about you or the America you love.
beatcanvas on May 6, 2013 at 1:18 PM
Redford would be happier if ALL of had been killed by Bill Ayers. Because he was so morally superior to the rest of us.
thgrant on May 6, 2013 at 2:01 PM
a Twilight Zone, and a few episodes of Hitchcock…
equanimous on May 6, 2013 at 2:07 PM
Jason has a good friend in Ed.
This is so badly done…he could barely make anything of it at all.
And it’s too bad – because I think the general gist of Mattera’s question here is a fair one. And I would have liked to hear how Redford might have responded.
But why would anyone respond to that sort of idiotic haranguing.
Why wouldn’t Redford’s guys move to step btwn their client and someone who seems as off balance as Jason does here?
He’s wasting his and everyone’s time with this approach.
verbaluce on May 6, 2013 at 2:12 PM
And Redford to the LONG list of Lefty bigots.
RobertMN on May 6, 2013 at 2:28 PM
I smell a full length feature on the bravery of Brett Kimberlin in his future.
What a tool.
Sponge on May 6, 2013 at 2:36 PM
Every night on RetroTV OTA. And the Beverly Hillbillies on Saturday too! Since I quite satellite Retro was a good find.
DanMan on May 6, 2013 at 2:56 PM
A fun exercise for Mr. Mattera would be to take on the conscious and patriotism of members of his target’s body guards troupe. After they push Mattera aside, ask them about how they feel about the morality of the man they are protecting. See if you can get a few to quit on the spot.
kurtzz3 on May 6, 2013 at 3:00 PM
Redford – still trying to regain the glory days.
GarandFan on May 6, 2013 at 3:28 PM
No. I will never feel sorry for these clowns and am somewhat enjoying the schadenfreude (hi!). It isn’t nearly enough, though, but this will do for now.
kim roy on May 6, 2013 at 3:37 PM
Dunno about that. Probably more people will see the video and/or read this write up than the movie.
kim roy on May 6, 2013 at 3:51 PM
As the French say, Qu’el un dick.
justltl on May 6, 2013 at 5:11 PM
“Kill all the
rich(insert ethnic, racial, religious affiliation, sexual orientation) people. Break up their cars and their apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents”~Bill Ayers
Fine line between being celebrated leftist hipster and right wing extremist hater
R Square on May 6, 2013 at 5:30 PM
Jason’s videos are awesome. I need to start doing stuff like this. More please!
WhatSlushfund on May 6, 2013 at 6:16 PM
Come on, Ed. Jason’s a good guy. It’s just his New York upbringing that makes him seem a bit “pushy”. :-)
Steve Eggleston on May 6, 2013 at 6:34 PM
Coward…
Seven Percent Solution on May 6, 2013 at 11:57 PM