Lance Armstrong: Yes, I am in fact the liar you always suspected me of being

posted at 9:31 am on January 18, 2013 by Allahpundit

A few highlights from last night’s garish media contrition ritual. If you want more, Oprah’s site has clips. What makes him any different from other liars, in or out of sports? Just the sheer doggedness of his lies, really: The third clip will take you on a quick tour of his faux indignation through the years, but it’s the second clip, where he describes suing people aggressively to get them to clam up about his doping, that shows how far he was willing to go. Read WaPo’s fact-check piece, titled “Is Lance Armstrong the world’s biggest liar?”, for other how-dare-you lowlights from his career since he was first accused of cheating. On a scale of one to four “Pinocchios,” they give him … 28.

Even this interview was something of a lie if you believe the Times. Supposedly, the reason he’s coming clean now is because he wants to compete in triathlons and running events but is barred under the World Anti-Doping Code that typically governs competitions like those. Confessing his sins to a media figure with a quasi-religious following might get his lifetime ban lifted, so here he is. From self-interested faux indignation to self-interested “remorse.” Exit quotation from David Zurawik:

Winfrey brought up the names of some of his victims, and that’s where he got an upgrade in my mind from narcissist to sociopath. He smiled at the memory of calling one woman “crazy.” And he actually seemed to be amused by the fact that one woman said he had called her a “fat, crazy bitch,” when, in fact, according to him, he had not called her “fat” — just the other two.




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Part of the reason people find sports fascinating is because they think they’re watching more or less “normal” human beings doing superhuman things on the field. If we want a freak show where guys are openly encouraged to use PEDs and do things that even top athletes who aren’t on drugs can’t do — which is arguably preferable to what we have now, where tons of guys use drugs secretly — then okay.

But change the rules. Why maintain a charade

?

Allahpundit on January 18, 2013 at 9:56 AM

That’s the point that those of us who say “who cares?” are making. Why is “concern” over doping bleeding over into laws and congressional hearings etc? If a sports organization wants to ban drugs, then let those who want to compete drug-free have at it there. The only time the “law” needs to be involved are the courts to rule on breach of contracts. The same mentality driving the high performance bans are that of MADD/SADD with their anti-drunk driving campaign, the prohibitionists, the war on drugs ad nauseum.

Who cares? Of course some do, but I don’t ever recall a groundswell of public pressure ever calling for congressional action, rather preening politicians seeking the limelight for doing something, anything. Most were probaly apathetic as it ranked next to last on their long list of concerns. And so, here we are being treated to the spectacle of Lance groveling in Oprah’s court, watching Barry Bonds and others being frog-marched in front of Congress on C-Span.

The Romans said it best regarding the sports arena – “For those of us about to die, we salute you” and they proceded to put on the show of their life. If only they had HGH then, what legends would we weave…

Big deal!

AH_C on January 18, 2013 at 1:28 PM

1. If everyone in the sport is doping, then legalize doping for cycling.

2. If doping is wrong, the fact that everyone is doing it isn’t a justification for Armstrong. It’s an indictment of everyone else.

3. It’s not just the doping. It’s the endless, nasty, aggressive lies about it for years and years, replete with lawsuits. Armstrong could have argued the “who cares?” position here. He didn’t. Instead, he tried to destroy people for telling the truth about him.

Allahpundit on January 18, 2013 at 9:50 AM

..late to the dance with my response but I am on my lunch hour now.

(1) Agreed. And (virtually) everyone IS doing it. See my initial post on this thread.

(2) No question about it, he chose poorly.

I respect your justifiable moral outrage. As a reformed USCF CAT 3, I worshiped Armstrong but I do not anger at his fall — only marvel at the distance. Would that all such transgressors (namely our lying sack POTUS) suffer such a similar fate.

The War Planner on January 18, 2013 at 2:17 PM

AH_C on January 18, 2013 at 1:28 PM

I mostly agree with this.

NbyNW on January 18, 2013 at 2:21 PM

I respect your justifiable moral outrage. As a reformed USCF CAT 3, I worshiped Armstrong but I do not anger at his fall — only marvel at the distance. Would that all such transgressors (namely our lying sack POTUS) suffer such a similar fate.

The War Planner on January 18, 2013 at 2:17 PM

+1

Apparently Armstrong’s greatest failure lay in being expendable–no matter how much good his foundation had done, not enough media people–and competitors–were willing to look the other way forever.

POTUS’ lies and transgressions, usurpations of individual liberties’ and possibly even usurpation of life itself are ignored by the same people. POTUS is not expendable, so he is apparently, too important to fail.

rwenger43 on January 18, 2013 at 2:56 PM

So, if the confession is made in order to obtain something, why exactly is it a credible confession?

astonerii on January 18, 2013 at 4:46 PM

When I was competing in age-group triathlons, I trained with CAT 2/3 riders. They all adored LA, and were his biggest supporters. I thought he was a jerk, and then he got cancer. After reading his post-cancer book, I changed my mind about LA.

I was right the first time . . .

BigAlSouth on January 18, 2013 at 5:19 PM

So, if the confession is made in order to obtain something, why exactly is it a credible confession?

astonerii on January 18, 2013 at 4:46 PM

Maybe it isn’t credible. But most of his accusers made their confessions because they got something out of it, too – like reduced sanctions for themselves. And avoided the consequences of not confessing – which can be huge against you and yours when the government is after you. Read “Three Felonies a Day” for examples.

The fact that USADA ignored their own rules in some cases to go after Armstrong should be scary to us all. Sure, he cheated. Maybe some think he had it coming. But if they can break the rules to get him, they can do it to anyone, including those that are not guilty of anything. That bothers me more than the fact that Armstrong was doping along with all the other elite cyclists.

NbyNW on January 18, 2013 at 6:05 PM

He dated Sheryl Crow. Left his wife and small kids. Gave one million dollars to Planned Parenthood and is a die-hard Progressive.

LIESTRONG LANCE…….LieStrong.

PappyD61 on January 18, 2013 at 6:40 PM

I thought he was a jerk, and then he got cancer. After reading his post-cancer book, I changed my mind about LA.

I was right the first time . . .

BigAlSouth on January 18, 2013 at 5:19 PM

dittos. My mom got me the “it’s not about the bike” audiobook things. I never listened to them. I think he’s a prick.

ted c on January 18, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Innocent until proven guilty…unless yer Lance Armstrong. Leftists don’t care because the calumny of America’s 7-time Tour de France champ denigrates AMERICA, which fills their shrunken hearts with glee. Conservatives don’t care because Lance Armstrong is a Leftist jerk.

So we have two diametrically opposed sides in America that LOVE how Armstrong is being strong-armed into giving a “confession” about doping, never mind that confessions given under duress aren’t reliable. And Armstrong has most certainly been under extreme pressure to admit to something that NO TEST HAS EVER PROVEN…not even one…and that’s not from a lack of trying.

So, we can all hop on the Crap on Armstrong bandwagon…because, ya know, we’re better than he is (yeah, we’re all sinners, but his sins are greater than ours) and we’re not him (so we aren’t in the hot seat suffering persecution), so it’s okie dokie. And besides, he’s a Democrat so he must deserve it, and it doesn’t really matter if we toss out PRINCIPLE this one time.

1) Calumny is a grave sin.
2) We are a nation built on laws, and enshrined in our U.S. Constitution is the legal PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE, meaning that a person is innocent until proven guilty. To deny that right to Armstrong is to weaken it for all of us (which is the Left’s true intent). We’re always complaining about these tyrannical bureaucracies like the EPA and the FDA and the SEC etc etc etc…and yet we’re gonna give a pass to the tyrannical and VERY anti-American USADA? Ok…whatevs. I guess “respect for the rule of law” was only a slogan to get votes. Well, that’s gonna come back to bite us in the rear end.

Roper: Now you give the Devil benefit of law!
More: Yes, what would you do? Cut a road through the law to get after the Devil?
Roper: Yes. I’d cut down every law in England to do that.
More: And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned on you…where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted with laws from coast to coast…Man’s laws, not God’s, and if you cut them down…and you’re just the man to do it…do you really think you could standupright in the wind that would blow then? Yes. I give the Devil benefit of law for my own safety’s sake.

TXJenny on January 18, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Based upon the problems he visited upon others by lying and calling them liars, it will be a great injustice if the only pedaling that Lance Armstrong does is in prison.

Sorry – the guy has to do time.

How many instances of perjury are on record? How many careers were destroyed?

Jail this jerk. No sympathy here, and no rich-person get out of jail free card.

Lance Armstrong belongs in prison – no ifs, ands or buts.

cane_loader on January 18, 2013 at 7:33 PM

TXJenny,

Armstrong destroyed people’s careers with his lies.

How about Floyd Landis?

cane_loader on January 18, 2013 at 7:34 PM

I feel like having a big yellow T-shirt made, with big black letters to wear around town:

LIESTRONG

cane_loader on January 18, 2013 at 7:35 PM

How about Floyd Landis?

cane_loader on January 18, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Floyd Landis destroyed his own career when he got too comfortable with cheating and overdid it. Armstrong is responsible for his own actions, but not for the actions of others.

NbyNW on January 18, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Lance Armstrong belongs in prison – no ifs, ands or buts.

cane_loader on January 18, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Except that he didn’t commit a crime. Defamation is a tort, not a crime. I think he should be sued into the poorhouse and have to live with the little people scrimping out a living just like the rest of us do. To such an egomaniacal individual, that would be a far worse fate than a few years in the clink.

gryphon202 on January 18, 2013 at 7:57 PM

cane_loader on January 18, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Provide the proof.

Oh, what’s that you say? There isn’t any? Landis got caught, pointed a finger at Armstrong, Armstrong denied, so…Armstrong should be found guilty anyway? That’s just not how the American justice system is set up.

What we have from Landis is called hearsay, and hearsay is not worthy evidence.

TXJenny on January 18, 2013 at 8:20 PM

I KNEW it. Not only was he not the least bit sorry for his lies, he continues to tell them.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/18/fox-news-poll-83-percent-think-government-spending-is-out-control/

scalleywag on January 18, 2013 at 8:37 PM

The fact that USADA ignored their own rules in some cases to go after Armstrong should be scary to us all. Sure, he cheated. Maybe some think he had it coming. But if they can break the rules to get him, they can do it to anyone, including those that are not guilty of anything. That bothers me more than the fact that Armstrong was doping along with all the other elite cyclists.

NbyNW on January 18, 2013 at 6:05 PM

“Maybe”? Understate much?

Regardless that pretty much every other cycler cheats, too, no one who believes that an admitted serial defamer like Armstrong doesn’t deserve what he has gotten and what he is about to get should be taken seriously – he deserves to be sued relentlessly.

Anti-Control on January 18, 2013 at 9:17 PM

Provide the proof.

Oh, what’s that you say? There isn’t any? Landis got caught, pointed a finger at Armstrong, Armstrong denied, so…Armstrong should be found guilty anyway? That’s just not how the American justice system is set up.

What we have from Landis is called hearsay, and hearsay is not worthy evidence.

TXJenny on January 18, 2013 at 8:20 PM

…except that we’re not talking about the justice system. We’re talking about a national-level anti-doping agency. BIG difference. They aren’t bound by laws; they’re bound by their own rules and by-laws, which apparently they broke in instituting Armstrong’s lifetime ban. The evidence against Lance Armstrong was damning, but it would not have been actionable in a court-of-law. Too bad for Armstrong he wasn’t being accused of an actual crime.

gryphon202 on January 18, 2013 at 11:59 PM

I predict that with the relative morality virus sweeping this country ever more strongly these past decades, that Lance’s immoral thinking and self-justification will be the norm.
We already see it in the diabolical guilt-free excuses we’ve come to accept as mere “choice,” as we slaughter our own precious children in the very protective womb of a potential mother.

Don L on January 19, 2013 at 3:58 AM

He dated Sheryl Crow. Left his wife and small kids. Gave one million dollars to Planned Parenthood and is a die-hard Progressive.

LIESTRONG LANCE…….LieStrong.

PappyD61 on January 18, 2013 at 6:40 PM

Then what he did is a badge of honor in that warped world.

Don L on January 19, 2013 at 4:08 AM

What we have from Landis is called hearsay, and hearsay is not worthy evidence.

TXJenny on January 18, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Well, seeing as Lance called Landis wife and asked for forgiveness, and admitting that he did what Landis accused him of…you day that’s not “worthy” evidence in social justice? Really??

You guys defending a criminal, defending someone who admitted guilt, who is a scumbag…it’s amazing how much effort you go to try to defend him…gee, I wonder how Obama got elected…

right2bright on January 19, 2013 at 9:16 AM

The Romans said it best regarding the sports arena – “For those of us about to die, we salute you” and they proceded to put on the show of their life. If only they had HGH then, what legends would we weave…

Big deal!

AH_C on January 18, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Actually, that quote was only recorded once in history, and the men who uttered that laid down their swords and refused to fight…it’s a myth.
Just like Armstrong was a great athlete is a myth…

right2bright on January 19, 2013 at 9:22 AM

What we have from Landis is called hearsay, and hearsay is not worthy evidence.

TXJenny on January 18, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Well, seeing as Lance called Landis wife and asked for forgiveness, and admitting that he did what Landis accused him of…you day that’s not “worthy” evidence in social justice? Really??

You guys defending a criminal, defending someone who admitted guilt, who is a scumbag…it’s amazing how much effort you go to try to defend him…gee, I wonder how Obama got elected…

right2bright on January 19, 2013 at 9:16 AM

Might I also remind the Lance Armstrong apologists out there that a voluntary admission of the sort that he made is admissable in both criminal courts and tort action.

gryphon202 on January 19, 2013 at 9:53 AM

What does it say about the media and us when stories about Armstrong and T’eo divert our attention from the real news that should be our focus.

Nomas on January 19, 2013 at 11:10 AM

You guys defending a criminal, defending someone who admitted guilt, who is a scumbag…

right2bright on January 19, 2013 at 9:16 AM

Most of us out here think you are a bigger “scumbag” than Armstrong. :D

Truthfully, who are you to judge? How were YOU harmed by Lance Armstrong? Are you one of those benny-boys that rides around in tight colored pants on a bike? Even if so – how the hell did he hurt you?

Is your life so void of meaning that you have to pass judgement on people who aren’t even on your periphery to make yourself feel big?

Armstrong doped … hell, they all dope. Armstrong lied … hell, they ALL lie. He’s not really that important of a person to me personally – so I don’t feel any need to worked up on this the way you do.

Got bigger problems pal – fast and furious, benghazi, iranian nukes, 16 trillion debt.

Where does Armstrong stack up against THAT?

HondaV65 on January 19, 2013 at 8:34 PM

What does it say about the media and us when stories about Armstrong and T’eo divert our attention from the real news that should be our focus.

Nomas on January 19, 2013 at 11:10 AM

The media even missed the REAL story on this.

http://www.wired.com/playbook/2013/01/opinion-why-lance-armstrongs-confession-should-make-you-worry/

The REAL story is how the USADA (a quasi-legal organization … PRIVATE … though it receives tax dollars) has now greatly expanded it’s powers over the American people.

Armstrong wasn’t busted off pi$$ tests or bloodwork – he was busted in an FBI like “sting” where the USADA interrogated and bullied his teammates into ratting him out. Where did a PRIVATE organization get power like this? Doesn’t anyone care?

No … Hot Air dimwits simply celebrate that a guy of little consequence, Lance Armstrong was busted. And, they’re perfectly entertained in their efforts to “judge” the man …

All the while …

Another liberty stifling organization has now risen to suppress freedom. And – that’s exactly what it will do. These organizations in Europe are a part of the government – and they weild governmental powers.

The USADA will soon wield them too you conservative clowns.

HondaV65 on January 20, 2013 at 10:49 AM

Lance Armstrong: Yes, I am in fact the liar you always suspected me of being

If ONLY Obama would make this statement!!! What difference does this confession make in cycling? All you do is take away medals from one cheat and give it to another.

MaiDee on January 20, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Regardless that pretty much every other cycler cheats, too, no one who believes that an admitted serial defamer like Armstrong doesn’t deserve what he has gotten and what he is about to get should be taken seriously – he deserves to be sued relentlessly.

Anti-Control on January 18, 2013 at 9:17 PM

I think if would be wrong for former sponsors to sue him to retrieve their money when they made millions off of him. Or maybe they could win their cases, but be awarded $1.

NbyNW on January 20, 2013 at 12:35 PM

All the while …

Another liberty stifling organization has now risen to suppress freedom. And – that’s exactly what it will do. These organizations in Europe are a part of the government – and they weild governmental powers.

The USADA will soon wield them too you conservative clowns.

HondaV65 on January 20, 2013 at 10:49 AM

This.

NbyNW on January 20, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Lance always thought that he was a ‘winner’. In truth, he is one of the biggest Losers ever…

elihu on January 20, 2013 at 1:13 PM

The media even missed the REAL story on this.

http://www.wired.com/playbook/2013/01/opinion-why-lance-armstrongs-confession-should-make-you-worry/

The REAL story is how the USADA (a quasi-legal organization … PRIVATE … though it receives tax dollars) has now greatly expanded it’s powers over the American people.

Armstrong wasn’t busted off pi$$ tests or bloodwork – he was busted in an FBI like “sting” where the USADA interrogated and bullied his teammates into ratting him out. Where did a PRIVATE organization get power like this? Doesn’t anyone care?

No … Hot Air dimwits simply celebrate that a guy of little consequence, Lance Armstrong was busted. And, they’re perfectly entertained in their efforts to “judge” the man …

All the while …

Another liberty stifling organization has now risen to suppress freedom. And – that’s exactly what it will do. These organizations in Europe are a part of the government – and they weild governmental powers.

The USADA will soon wield them too you conservative clowns.

HondaV65 on January 20, 2013 at 10:49 AM

Says the Obama voter. Are you having a lovely day?

Why are you worried about government waste and overreach?

You voted for it! Enjoy!!!

kim roy on January 20, 2013 at 4:24 PM

I think if would be wrong for former sponsors to sue him to retrieve their money when they made millions off of him. Or maybe they could win their cases, but be awarded $1.

NbyNW on January 20, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Why would it be wrong for anyone whom he defrauded/defamed to sue him, as long as the legal window for them to do so exists?

What kind of person wouldn’t support such lawsuits? He won suits against others based upon his lies, and those victories allowed him to further his career – payback is coming! :)

Anti-Control on January 20, 2013 at 6:21 PM

All throughout the interview, Oprah looked hungry. She kept looking at him as though she needed to eat something and he was starting to look awfully tasty.

lonestarleeroy on January 20, 2013 at 6:31 PM

He’s worse than the liar we all thought he was and he’s worse than the deranged loony psycho we all thought he was, too. Lance can go to h-e-double-hockey-sticks–if they would even let him in there.

stukinIL4now on January 20, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Why would it be wrong for anyone whom he defrauded/defamed to sue him, as long as the legal window for them to do so exists?

What kind of person wouldn’t support such lawsuits? He won suits against others based upon his lies, and those victories allowed him to further his career – payback is coming! :)

Anti-Control on January 20, 2013 at 6:21 PM

I would support lawsuits by those who were defamed or otherwise injured by him. But, the companies that made money off him should have to prove they were injured by him, and I doubt that some of them could. He made them money, lots of it.

NbyNW on January 21, 2013 at 12:41 AM

I would support lawsuits by those who were defamed or otherwise injured by him. But, the companies that made money off him should have to prove they were injured by him, and I doubt that some of them could. He made them money, lots of it.

NbyNW on January 21, 2013 at 12:41 AM

Looks like we’re in agreement.

Anti-Control on January 21, 2013 at 6:35 AM

What more can they squeeze out of Lance? He admitted he lied and did the drugs, this is getting off the wall stupid dragging him through the media torture chambers. When is the media going to let this go, I’m quite sick of it being done over and over and over.

mixplix on January 21, 2013 at 10:14 AM

His performance in the TDF was too good to be true, and it wasn’t, what with the PED he took. Hmmm, just like that sprinter chick from the 2000 Olympics. Does everybody have to cheat these days?

jake49 on January 21, 2013 at 1:37 PM

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