Krugman: Deficit problems “already, to a large degree, solved”
posted at 8:31 am on January 18, 2013 by Ed Morrissey
Alfred E. Newman, meet Paul Krugman. Less than a week after the Treasury reported that the US was on its way to a fifth straight trillion-dollar annual budget deficit, the New York Times columnist and Nobel Prize winner says we’re worried about nothing. The deficit problem, Krugman assures us, has been “already, to a large degree, solved.”
Did I miss the space invaders?
This is, however, a case in which what everyone knows just ain’t so. The budget deficit isn’t our biggest problem, by a long shot. Furthermore, it’s a problem that is already, to a large degree, solved. The medium-term budget outlook isn’t great, but it’s not terrible either — and the long-term outlook gets much more attention than it should.
It’s true that right now we have a large federal budget deficit. But that deficit is mainly the result of a depressed economy — and you’re actually supposed to run deficits in a depressed economy to help support overall demand. The deficit will come down as the economy recovers: Revenue will rise while some categories of spending, such as unemployment benefits, will fall. Indeed, that’s already happening. (And similar things are happening at the state and local levels — for example, California appears to be back in budget surplus.)
Er, yeah. California has spent the last several budget years appearing to be back in surplus, thanks to tax hikes and fee assessments, only to discover ten-figure deficits when the theoretical meets reality. Krugman is right, though, that this largely mirrors what happens on the federal level, such as when the President insists that he has cut spending by more than $1.4 trillion while federal spending has increased by almost 10% during his tenure.
But what about those future budget projections that Krugman insists are overhyped?
Now, projections that run further into the future do suggest trouble, as an aging population and rising health care costs continue to push federal spending higher. But here’s a question you almost never see seriously addressed: Why, exactly, should we believe that it’s necessary, or even possible, to decide right now how we will eventually address the budget issues of the 2030s?
Consider, for example, the case of Social Security. There was a case for paying down debt before the baby boomers began to retire, making it easier to pay full benefits later. But George W. Bush squandered the Clinton surplus on tax cuts and wars, and that window has closed. At this point, “reform” proposals are all about things like raising the retirement age or changing the inflation adjustment, moves that would gradually reduce benefits relative to current law. What problem is this supposed to solve?
How about the current problem of the SSA paying out more than it receives? That’s not a future-projection issue; that’s a problem that has been going on for almost three years. Krugman’s own newspaper managed to report that; did he miss it? Furthermore, the acceleration of people climbing onto the disability program in Social Security has made the problem get worse at a faster rate than projected at that time, too.
That’s also the larger reason we want to reform the entitlement programs now rather than in the 2030s. They’re producing big deficits now, and it will get worse as we expand those programs through ObamaCare. We are rapidly increasing our national debt to fund benefits we can’t afford not just in the future but in the present, which is a big reason why we’re about to have our fifth straight trillion-dollar annual budget deficit.
Bloomberg’s Caroline Baum wants to file this away for later amusement:
Krugman’s “What me worry?” column today is going in my famous last words file. Says deficit problem “mostly solved.”nyti.ms/VNS4kE
— Caroline Baum (@cabaum1) January 18, 2013
Meanwhile, add this to Damon Linker’s lament at The Week about reckless liberal pundits:
The White House likes to portray the president as the adult in the room — especially when the room is being used to negotiate with House Republicans over the federal budget. The good news for Obama and the Democrats is that the GOP, repeatedly driven toward reckless brinksmanship by the ideological fervor of the party’s base, appears determined to confirm the impression. But that doesn’t mean that progressives have earned the right to boast of their own fiscal sobriety and good sense. On the contrary, leading liberals have recently begun to defend positions that seem designed to prove that Democrats can be even more fiscally irresponsible than their Republican counterparts.
Consider the case of Paul Krugman — arguably the country’s most influential liberal pundit. In several New York Times columns over the past few years, and most recently this past Monday, Krugman has mocked the “Very Serious People” in Washington who express concern about the enormous deficits (in the range of $1 trillion a year) the federal government is currently running. Yes, the nation faces long-term budget challenges, Krugman concedes, but with interest rates at or near historic lows and unemployment still high, policymakers should ignore the fiscal Chicken Littles and keep right on spending.
He’s not talking about today’s column, by the way.
Everyone who looks at the issue honestly admits that addressing this deeper problem will require significant tax hikes as well as deep spending cuts. Yet Krugman continually tells his fellow liberals (and the president, whom he undoubtedly hopes is listening) that there’s no need at all to cut spending seriously. Quite the opposite. With governments currently able to finance debt at low and even negative interest rates — a development that amounts to them being offered ”free money for the next 10 years” — we have no reason not to increase spending still further.
Krugman is not the only liberal to stake out such a fanciful position. Slate economics blogger Matthew Yglesias has even gone so far as to make the outlandish suggestion that the government stop collecting taxes altogether and finance its spending entirely through debt. Reading Krugman and Yglesias on the topic, you’d never guess that the principal on a loan (even one taken at zero or negative interest) eventually has to be repaid.
They must know this, right? Given that both authors recently endorsed the manifestly absurd idea that the president could pay down a chunk of the nation’s debt by instructing the Treasury Department to mint a trillion-dollar platinum coin, I’m not so sure. The suggestion is so ludicrous, it’s astonishing anyone — let alone two leading liberal pundits, one of whom is a Nobel laureate in economics — would advocate it. Yet advocate it they did.
Maybe we’ll just wait for the aliens to land.
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Rooting for Joe Scarborough is like rooting for Erick-Woods Erickson. In the immortal words of George H. W. Bush and/or Dana Carvey, “not gonna do it.”
steebo77 on February 16, 2013 at 2:36 PM
The first Republican primary debate will have so many podiums that maybe they’ll be in alphabetical order and extend into the parking lot by the time they get to Santorum, Scarborough.
Marcus on February 16, 2013 at 2:38 PM
MORE POPCORN!
GarandFan on February 16, 2013 at 2:38 PM
Oh those unintended consequences.
Cleombrotus on February 16, 2013 at 2:40 PM
Um, Joe – you’re a bit of a sideshow freak act yourself, bub.
Midas on February 16, 2013 at 2:40 PM
It’s unattractive to bully the mentally ill.
Kataklysmic on February 16, 2013 at 2:40 PM
Even if Joe is a goofball, that’s pretty good, you gotta admit.
Cleombrotus on February 16, 2013 at 2:41 PM
But back in 2003, when the fiscal imbalance was a much smaller $377.6 billion, Krugman wrote:
If you are tempted to ask “Well, how is now any different?,” don’t.
“The one that we’ve been waiting for” is now in the White House…so, it’s all good!
Resist We Much on February 16, 2013 at 2:42 PM
This is a pissing match where I hope that both contestants get soaked.
OhEssYouCowboys on February 16, 2013 at 2:46 PM
To freak’n idiots getting their panties into a bunch on whose more relative. And Morrissey thinks this is worthy of attention.
lowandslow on February 16, 2013 at 2:48 PM
? Lib on lib crime with two hacks no one listens to…and since one has an R by their name, not even ‘man bites dog’ worthy.
sauldalinsky on February 16, 2013 at 2:53 PM
Perhaps you missed your own point about how Scarborough had a RAND economist write the op-ed. Joe knows he doesn’t have the chops to go man to man with Krazy Krugman. But he knows BS when he hears it.
Perhaps you would like a fiddle to go with that Roman fire? Marquis of Queensbury rules seem somewhat inappropriate. Especially when 99% of the media stands with Krugman.
deadite on February 16, 2013 at 2:55 PM
Nothing more needs to be said!
KBird on February 16, 2013 at 2:56 PM
Marcus Nice thought but they aren’t going to put the Savior that far off stage.
Illinidiva on February 16, 2013 at 2:56 PM
Blue on blue catfights are always amusing to watch – personally I’m going to root for the meteor.
Gator Country on February 16, 2013 at 3:01 PM
I don’t see how Joe owes Krugman an apology. I can’t stand either of them, but in this Joe is 100% right. Paul Krugman is a clown. It’s time we started calling a spad a spade. I am sick to death of being told that everyone’s opinions are essentially equal simply because we all have a right to express them.
Warner Todd Huston on February 16, 2013 at 3:01 PM
Here, I’ll go with Joe. Krugman is unbelievably so full of himself. Met him twice. Talked about economic policies on meeting. And for a dignified Nobel prize winning economist, accused me of being a teaba**er. Crazy dude.
tommy71 on February 16, 2013 at 3:05 PM
This is precious. Is the variation from historical rates flutter or is there, say a causality? Because the writer is incurious in either case, lest something derail their rush to claim victory, as if “do nothing” was a)a well thought out plan and b)not obviously contrary to every impulse of the progressives.
My guess is that the slowed growth in health care spending is related to, you know, the economic disaster of the last 4 years in which even the co-pay for insurance or medicine, if you have insurance, is going to make some people stop and think. Of course, that same downturn slowed the influx of income to the government. If you want to build your plan to save medicare on the economic starvation of those who pay the taxes for medicare, that’s cool; it will at least be instructive to see if spending retards at a rate fast enough to overcome the amount we spend on medicaid except oops–we’re already spending at deficit levels.
If, on the other hand, the reduction in the rate of spending (I do love that the best conversation we can have anymore is about the rate of increase of something, not actual reductions) is random, then what are we celebrating, exactly? Dumb luck? I guess we should party now because it’s going to be a bitch when we randomly bounce to 2x more than the historical rate of growth. That would add the $200B back plus add $200B. As they say, a lot of money.
TexasDan on February 16, 2013 at 3:05 PM
Here is THE ONLY Option for THIS and ANY OTHER Blog that considers the Furture of Continuing The Human Race a Just and Noble Cause:
COMPLETELY, TOTALLY AND UTTERLY DESTROY and DEVASTATE:
– Paul Krugman
– Joe Scarborough
This needs to happen to BOTH of them and this should extend to any support of them, and anyone in their “support system”….
williamg on February 16, 2013 at 3:12 PM
Ed’s a better man than me. Paul Krugman is a clown and I don’t mind whomever says so.
22044 on February 16, 2013 at 3:16 PM
Scarborough on Krugman: “self-consumed professor” with a “daily … ideological Vaudeville act”
===========================
Ahem:No Sh*t SherLock Scarborough,……
……ya know,Krugman has that Crazy Look Stare,just like
all the other Loony-Tics that have caused carnage at
recent School situations,and a theatre showing of a
certain comic book hero that ran amucketh!!
Jus say’n!!!
canopfor on February 16, 2013 at 3:17 PM
Just goes to show that all his academic accolades are just formal recognition for being an obedient liberal. What a petty hack.
My uncle writes for the NYT, prominent in his field but probably not known around here though he’s on TV somewhat often. He’s good friends MoDo and probably some of the other oped crazies. Got in a big political argument with him over thanksgiving.
He: a) thought GWB started the Obama stimulus, b) didn’t know the difference between SS and SSDI, and c) was unaware the Bush cuts were extended by Obama and the Dem congress in 2010. I told him to stop listening to “that crackpot Krugman”, and he about blew a gasket. “Nobel, this, Princeton that.” Told him BFD – they gave Obama a Nobel as soon as he walked in the WH door. Didn’t have much to say about that.
crrr6 on February 16, 2013 at 3:26 PM
After all the horrifying things Krug has written and done from his infamous 9/11 column, to his ecstatic embrace of Jared Laughner as a “tea party killer, you believe he deserves apologies?
rob verdi on February 16, 2013 at 3:27 PM
If Scar wasn’t in front of a TV camera with a contract to protect his lame azz, he’d be just another OWS dreg trying to gain relevance by trashing on a police car.
Pffft!
Liam on February 16, 2013 at 3:28 PM
Scarborough on Krugman: “self-consumed professor” with a “daily … ideological Vaudeville act”
Scarborough only does Republican about once a month, so he’s finished for February. Tune in again in March for his single Republican moment in that month.
RJL on February 16, 2013 at 3:29 PM
Two faced wind vane – cracks on a bed wetter.
Bizarro world.
jake-the-goose on February 16, 2013 at 3:31 PM
Please notice, too: Liberals are NEVER self-consumed. /
Liam on February 16, 2013 at 3:33 PM
Please notice, too: Liberals are NEVER self-consumed. /
Liam on February 16, 2013 at 3:33 PM
Liam:Lol,yup,may I say,All Consuming,er,Total Consuming!:)
canopfor on February 16, 2013 at 3:37 PM
I’m not the quickest responder on weighty matters, but I don’t have a political talk show where I pretend to be conservative, either.
S. D. on February 16, 2013 at 3:37 PM
……ya know,Krugman has that Crazy Look Stare…
canopfor on February 16, 2013 at 3:17 PM
Cleombrotus on February 16, 2013 at 3:38 PM
Here’s a link to an interview that Krugman gave in 2004:
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2004/s1064193.htm
choice excerpts:
PROFESSOR PAUL KRUGMAN, PRINCETON ECONOMIST: Well, basically we have a world-class budget deficit not just as in absolute terms of course – it’s the biggest budget deficit in the history of the world – but it’s a budget deficit that as a share of GDP is right up there.
It’s comparable to the worst we’ve ever seen in this country.
It’s biggest than Argentina in 2001.
Which is not cyclical, there’s only a little bit that’s because the economy is depressed.
Mostly it’s because, fundamentally, the Government isn’t taking in enough money to pay for the programs and we have no strategy of dealing with it.
So, if you take a look, the only thing that sustains the US right now is the fact that people say, “Well America’s a mature, advanced country and mature, advanced countries always, you know, get their financial house in order,” but there’s not a hint that that’s on the political horizon, so I think we’re looking for a collapse of confidence some time in the not-too-distant future.
The deficit was only 259Billion!!!
read the whole thing..basically when there’s a Republican in the WH..deficits and debt BAD..but when a Dem is in the WH..deficits and debt GOOD
what a clown
galtg on February 16, 2013 at 3:38 PM
Liberals are trying hard to mainstream lunacy. I would say I’d like going along with that, but I prefer reality and all the faults of it.
Liam on February 16, 2013 at 3:40 PM
Hm. Which squirrel will end up with the nut? I wonder …
M240H on February 16, 2013 at 3:42 PM
Kettle. Pot.
pat on February 16, 2013 at 3:43 PM
Joe is the proverbial broken clock; he may want get a little distance between Mika, the MSNBC crowd and himself.
Tater Salad on February 16, 2013 at 3:43 PM
Just checking in with HA for a minute and I see this thread and the one about Maher/Hagel. I don’t really understand the point/thesis of the blogs given that sources of the comments are living up to their pathetic reputations: Maher is a Jerk and Scarborough mimics broken clock. The consistency with which these guys are inept jerks is dependable, and I feel like we keep rehashing the punchlines about them in the comments.
The MSM is so incredibly dishonest and treasonous and they keep finding ways to lower the bar even more. I just don’t know what else to say about the media topic. We’ve lost this war.
Jackalope on February 16, 2013 at 3:45 PM
Barnum&Bailey.
hillsoftx on February 16, 2013 at 3:47 PM
He can’t. It is only among them he finds relevance, aspiration.
He needs those invites to drunken cocktail parties, to be ‘among’ and ‘involved’.
Liam on February 16, 2013 at 3:47 PM
Krugman deserves no apology, but that doesn’t change the fact that Scarborough owes him one. It has nothing to do with what Krugman deserves, and everything to do with the obligations of a host. If he is unwilling to treat a guest with basic respect, no matter how unearned, then he should not invite him in the first place.
The reason is that if you set a precedent that after you invite someone on your show, you might trash them the very next day because they’re a jerk who more than deserves it, then there’s no way for any other future guest to know you won’t do the same to them – if I’m invited onto Scarorough’s show, how do I know he doesn’t think I’m a jerk unworthy of respect just like Krugman, and isn’t planning to use my appearance to draw attention to a column where he trashes me the next day?
RINO in Name Only on February 16, 2013 at 3:52 PM
I don’t know about the Maher/Hagel thread, but the point of this one seems to be a fairly deep discussion of economics, which has relevance no matter what one thinks of the various MSM personalities/ media implications involved.
RINO in Name Only on February 16, 2013 at 4:05 PM
Ed, you are too nice. Krugman deserves every insult. He’s an insulting writing.
thuja on February 16, 2013 at 4:05 PM
Krugman looks like a crazed mass shooter. He scares me.
The Rogue Tomato on February 16, 2013 at 4:05 PM
Krugman, Obama, and other liberal economic ‘thinkers’ base their whole approach on the arrogant assumption that we will always be the world’s reserve currency.
MechanicalBill on February 16, 2013 at 4:08 PM
Soooooooooooooo,the problem is,More Spending is neccessary,
even tho,Washington can’t walk and chew gum at the same time!
canopfor on February 16, 2013 at 4:10 PM
canopfor on February 16, 2013 at 3:17 PM
Doesn’t he though?
Cleombrotus on February 16, 2013 at 3:38 PM
Cleombrotus:What you said:)
canopfor on February 16, 2013 at 4:12 PM
God Bless you for seeing through the facade of this blog!
williamg on February 16, 2013 at 4:12 PM
Come on, Ed. Really.
Joe Scowborrow is the least relevant RINO on earth, and yet he gets an astonishing amount of press. Let him rot in that festering sewer MSNBC.
Jaibones on February 16, 2013 at 4:15 PM
canopfor on February 16, 2013 at 3:37 PM
Liberals are trying hard to mainstream lunacy. I would say I’d like going along with that, but I prefer reality and all the faults of it.
Liam on February 16, 2013 at 3:40 PM
Liam:
Yup,and after six years with Team Blue,its getting more “Certifiable
by the day”!:)
canopfor on February 16, 2013 at 4:15 PM
Yes, this is true, but I guess I feel as equally cynical about economic discussions. With a dozen high-level democrats recently saying we “don’t have a spending problem,” we’re screwed 10 ways from Sunday and the dishonest media will carry that water.
Jackalope on February 16, 2013 at 4:18 PM
RINO in Name Only on February 16, 2013 at 3:52 PM,
certain people make choices (krugman) and by doing so forfeit basic decencies.
rob verdi on February 16, 2013 at 4:26 PM
so i followed the clicks thru the Derek Thompson piece. What he doesn’t tell you (i.e. the pea under the thimble) is that the Medicare projected costs in 2020 are based on indexes of many different productivity measures.
And, indeed, these Medicare increases look quite modest…given historical trends.
http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/43894_Medicare.pdf
Running a centralized, nationalized, planned economy can be Fun and Enriching.
Interestingly, the Medicaid program looks to have greater inflation (both in aggregate and on a per person basis)
http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/43885-Medicaid.pdf
but i’m sure that i misunderstand, and i’m real sure the our
R party will stick up for the citizens /s
r keller on February 16, 2013 at 4:30 PM
Krugman is a nut, but I thought Morning Schmoe only bashed Republicans . . .
TarheelBen on February 16, 2013 at 4:42 PM
…who deemed this clown a conservative anyway?…the same idiots that deemed dogeater fit for the head of the nation and the demorat party?…and who said Joe Scartissue is a Republican?…just cause he says he is?…my wife has informed that I am no male Adonis…I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer…and yes I do have an attitude problem…even if I say different! …who the fluke is Joe Scartissue?
KOOLAID2 on February 16, 2013 at 4:48 PM
t a k e
i t
e a s y !
KOOLAID2 on February 16, 2013 at 4:50 PM
How can they spend 15 minutes talking about fixing healthcare and how many years are left before the system collapses when ObamaCare made it all perfect?/
RalphyBoy on February 16, 2013 at 4:53 PM
It doesn’t happen every often, but once in a while Scarborough comes up with a good put down of a leftist gas bag.
He should do it more often. Very often. Like on his show.
He might actually increase his ratings and attract some conservative eyeballs to MSNBC.
But, of course, then they’ll have to fire him.
Not that either will ever happen, since Joe leans left of center himself and enjoys joining in with the libs and lefties when they deride, attack, and criticize conservatives.
farsighted on February 16, 2013 at 4:54 PM
…both are a$$holes!…they just are arguing over who has… the biggest opening!
KOOLAID2 on February 16, 2013 at 4:57 PM
Joe Scarborough, Paul Krugman, Ed Morrissey et al. Your main function is to provide us entertainment and promote yourselves for followers and viewers. Don’t take yourselves too seriously.
No need for any of you to give apologies to each other at anytime.
Goodale on February 16, 2013 at 4:59 PM
Want to see your uncle really blow a gasket? Tell him what Krugman “won” isn’t a real Nobel Prize. It’s simply a Memorial Award in Economics, one established nearly a century after Alfred Nobel endowed the original awards. The Nobel foundation oversees it, but it’s not an actual Nobel Prize.
Del Dolemonte on February 16, 2013 at 5:00 PM
Uh, an apology? For taking Krugman on in print? Sorry, but economists fight all the time in print. So does Krugman and his mouthpiece the NYT.
I’m sure Paul appreciates the concern for his sensibilities but this isn’t tiddlywinks.
Besides, do you really believe the RAND piece would have been fully laid out without interruption in an interview with the vehement opposition? That’s fantasy.
I say, let’s have the debate. Leave the choice of weapons to the combatants. They don’t need protection from their own ideas, good or bad.
IndieDogg on February 16, 2013 at 5:02 PM
Now I’ve learned something useful today. I’ll be using that.
My usual response when someone mentions his “Nobel Prize” when I say Krugmann is a fool and may be insane is … So what? Milton Friedman won one too and he would completely disagree with Krugmann.
farsighted on February 16, 2013 at 5:07 PM
But that is Keynes. I.e., don’t worry, spend now.
AshleyTKing on February 16, 2013 at 5:09 PM
I would agree except for the fact that this is a sword that Krugman lives by on a daily basis.He constantly goes to his column in the NY Times to blast people personally and his Occupy Army eats it up.
He loves to go on and on and on about how much more he knows on economic matters than everyone else…..ignoring his glaring hypocrisy like predicting doom and gloom over debt when Bush was President…..and when given a chance to actually put this so called “expertise” to work like being Treasury Secretary….. he runs back to the saftey of his column and talking head friends with the MSM…..(“oh…I can be much more effective from my keyboard”).
……..to continue his ankle biting from the side lines.
You earn respect….
……….and all the personal attacks and hypocrisy coming from this blatant ideologue leave him justifiably receiving the same below the belt hits he loves so much to dish out.
The fact that liberals bestow so much admiration for a man who thinks that alien invasions and stamping out Trillion dollar coins can solve our financial problems shows just how cultish the democratic party has become.
Baxter Greene on February 16, 2013 at 5:11 PM
Krugman even looks demented.
VorDaj on February 16, 2013 at 5:12 PM
the same can be said for Morning Joe. I hate hyopcrites.
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onlineanalyst on February 16, 2013 at 5:13 PM
If alien invaders came and took him away, that would solve one of our problems. Frankly, at the rate the DIC (Destroyer In Chief) is going an alien invasion is going to start looking pretty good before too much longer.
VorDaj on February 16, 2013 at 5:15 PM
hmmm I thought the main function of all media is to INFORM being enertained if it happens is a side benefit
unseen on February 16, 2013 at 5:15 PM
Right, I agree Krugman forfeited any right to respectful treatment a long time ago. He has no right to be treated with the slightest bit of dignity here, and no business whining about how Scarborough treated him.
My only point, which I think is probably Ed’s as well, is that the way a host treats a guest isn’t really about what the guest deserves or has a right to. Krugman deserves nothing, but Scarborough’s behavior towards him sends a message about how he is willing to treat a guest in general.
I have no sympathy for Krugman here.
It’s not a big deal anyway, but I guess that’s where Ed is coming from.
RINO in Name Only on February 16, 2013 at 5:20 PM
Paul “Enron” Krugman
Joe “Lori Klausutis” Scarborough
Nah, I think I’ll go shovel some snow. More productive than what these two are shoveling.
can_con on February 16, 2013 at 5:21 PM
Sh!t…the only time this guy really goes after a liberal is when one has offended him personally.
He went after Mika the other day for calling him a name…going on and on and on about it but says nothing when worse is said about any Conservative.
This is the same guy that got his panties all bunched up over Hillary daring to have to answer tough questions about Benghazi then verbally attacked and insulted a Republican woman for daring to defend the rights of women to protect themselves with a gun.
Tea Party….Bush…Conservatives…..Rush…McConell….Palin…..he attacks on a regular basis….
……….Obama….Reid…Pelosi…..Maher…..socialist….Occupy Wall St…..Hillary….he can’t kiss their a$$ enough.
Nothing but an MSDNC token Republican clown in party identification only, used by liberals to say….”even Republicans agree with us”……
Baxter Greene on February 16, 2013 at 5:22 PM
Thanks for that bit of info.
Everybody I know – or read – always refers to Krazy Kat Krugman as a “Nobel Prize-winner”.
It’ll be fun to throw that bit in their face the next time.
Solaratov on February 16, 2013 at 5:24 PM
Especially after he went to his NY Times swamp to accuse Palin of being an accessory to murder based on an obscure election map and her saying “reload” one day.
No proof…no facts to back it up….not one shred of evidence to connect them what-so-ever.Investigation showed Loughner was stalking Giffords since 2007 (well before Palin was on the scene)…had no link to the Tea Party or Palin….was anit-war…hated Bush…but loved his dope.
….Democrats had the same types of maps and engaged in much more bigoted hatred with even Obama calling for his followers to “punish your enemies”……
…and Krugman still stands by his slanderous accusations.
Real man of genius for sure.
Baxter Greene on February 16, 2013 at 5:30 PM
Heh…true.
As long as some of them look like the hot blond from Heavy Metal I’m in.
Baxter Greene on February 16, 2013 at 5:32 PM
Laurel and Hardy
pat on February 16, 2013 at 5:33 PM
I nominate both Joe and the Krugster for first-class staterooms on the “B” Ark, which will hopefully be commanded by our current Commander-in-Chief. Let’s get cracking building that puppy, shall we?
drunyan8315 on February 16, 2013 at 5:44 PM
Scarborough on Krugman: “self-consumed professor” with a “daily … ideological Vaudeville act”… So accurately says a self-consumed former politician with a daily ideological Vaudeville act…
deepdiver on February 16, 2013 at 5:59 PM
C’MON ED…. I’m sick of hearing conservatives tell other conservatives they owe leftists an apology. People like Krugman deserve me and my generation an apology for what their policies will have wraught on our future. Scarborough owes him nothing.
eski502 on February 16, 2013 at 6:06 PM
Officially, it is called the “Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel.”
wiki:
Del Dolemonte on February 16, 2013 at 6:06 PM
Baxter Greene
KOOLAID2 on February 16, 2013 at 6:34 PM
Have only read the headline. Pot/kettle.
Cindy Munford on February 16, 2013 at 6:37 PM
Ed, I don’t think Joe owes former Enron adviser Paul Krugman anything. He’s a hack taken far too seriously who doesn’t seem to understand the first thing about basic economics. Joe is a hack occasionally and is also taken too seriously by some people (i.e. his role as the most prominent “conservative who criticizes other conservatives,”) but Krugman is lower than slime.
BigWillieStyles on February 16, 2013 at 6:37 PM
Joe doesn’t owe Krugman any apology in my opinion. Krugman is part of what is hammering this country and he should be called out anytime and anyplace. He is pond scum as are his followers. And I’m no real fan of Scarborough.
mimi1220 on February 16, 2013 at 6:47 PM
Joe is a Phony
Krugman is a Phony
Ed is a Phony for pretending this is a “story”
If anyone wants to be helpful – they should do what they can to bring complete and total destruction to the careers and livelihood of these misanthropes and hateful people.
NOTHING should be “off-limits” in achieving this!
williamg on February 16, 2013 at 7:47 PM
I always have fun seeing how angry Krugman makes conservatives, and how difficult it is for said people to deal with the fact that he’s right far more often than not. The man is a brilliant economist and commands the respect he gets for good reason.
Typhonsentra on February 16, 2013 at 8:29 PM
Worrying about whether one lefty should apologize to another lefty is a real waste of time
rik on February 16, 2013 at 8:31 PM
LOL. Troll fail.
Or was the sarcasm tag left off?
farsighted on February 16, 2013 at 9:12 PM
I would love for somebody to kick him square in the vajay jay with the utmost decorum and civility.
the botnet on February 16, 2013 at 9:35 PM
Russia should be thankful for yesterday’s meteor event, because according to the Krugman’s of the world, their economy is about to boom as a result of all the broken windows.
xblade on February 16, 2013 at 9:50 PM
Addendum..
Parable of the broken window
Intro..
farsighted on February 16, 2013 at 10:03 PM
S.E. Cupp should watch a bit of Scarborough and see the path she is headed down. Hanging around with MSNBC nuts is not good for your mental health.
Cindy Munford on February 16, 2013 at 11:46 PM
Perhaps he was a brilliant economist at one time, but no longer. His mind has been poisoned by his political views. Please see RWMs post above to see how he changed his tune about deficit spending. Ten years ago, he was aghast at 350 billion annual deficits. Now he thinks that we can run deficits 3-4 times that size – or more. His notions that we can sustain these kind of deficits indefinitely are the ravings of a madman.
You are correct that his views carry some respect among the elite in this country – but only because our political elite is in complete denial about how bad the fiscal situation is in this country. It is the kind of denial that comes from having ones entire worldview challenged by uncomfortable realities – and these are realities that will not allow themselves to be ignored forever.
SubmarineDoc on February 17, 2013 at 1:14 AM
Thanks
Baxter Greene on February 17, 2013 at 1:43 AM
Krugman makes one reconsider the notion of chin whiskers.
Then again it is probably a better facade than what lies beneath.
Krugman is crud that fell out of his own nose.
Sherman1864 on February 17, 2013 at 4:04 AM
My definition of brilliant is somewhat different from yours.
Irritable Pundit on February 17, 2013 at 2:06 PM