House GOP: We’ll raise the debt ceiling for three months — so that Harry Reid and Democrats can pass a budget; Update: Pelosi rips GOP “gimmick”

posted at 3:51 pm on January 18, 2013 by Allahpundit

I thought this might happen. There aren’t going to be any deep spending cuts anytime soon; America watched Obama do jack about the debt for four years and then reelected him overwhelmingly. The only incentive The One has to partner with Republicans on entitlement reform is his own conscience about America’s long-term insolvency, which is to say that he has zero incentive. Faced with that reality, not only will the GOP achieve next to nothing by going to the mat on the debt ceiling, they’ll do damage to themselves politically by pounding the table for painful entitlement cuts that won’t even get to Obama’s desk. As Krauthammer said in his column this morning, “Don’t force the issue if you don’t have the power.” His suggestion: Try to win the messaging war now by making Democrats pass a budget and then, when you’re on firmer ground politically, force the issue later.

Which is exactly what Eric Cantor and Paul Ryan have in mind. Cantor:

The first step to fixing this problem is to pass a budget that reduces spending. The House has done so, and will again. The Democratic Senate has not passed a budget in almost four years, which is unfair to hardworking taxpayers who expect more from their representatives. That ends this year.

We must pay our bills and responsibly budget for our future. Next week, we will authorize a three month temporary debt limit increase to give the Senate and House time to pass a budget. Furthermore, if the Senate or House fails to pass a budget in that time, Members of Congress will not be paid by the American people for failing to do their job. No budget, no pay.

I’m … not sure the part about suspending Congress’s pay is constitutional, but okay. Ryan:

“Since taking the majority, House Republicans have done their job,” Ryan said in the statement. “We’ve passed a budget that promotes economic growth and gets spending under control. But for nearly four years, Senate Democrats have refused to pass a budget. Today’s agreement will hold the Senate accountable for this legal and moral failure. Just as April 15 is tax day for American families, it is budget day for Congress. Unless the Senate acts, there will be no consideration of a long-term debt-ceiling increase. I look forward to working with my colleagues—in both houses and in both parties—on this vital issue.”

So Democrats get three months to explain how a moderate tax hike on the rich, the elimination of a few deductions, and zero cuts to anything but defense will sustain the welfare state for decades to come. They’re not being asked to cut anything right now; no one’s demanding that they yank grandma’s Medicare benefits or Social Security check. All they have to do to keep things on track for another debt-ceiling hike in April is propose a plan of their own. If they can’t, I’ll be eager to hear Reid justify why not. His office issued a statement today assuring Republicans that he’ll be happy to consider a “clean” debt-ceiling hike; the White House said the same thing yesterday, but there’s no way either of them will block a debt-ceiling increase that’s conditioned on Democrats passing a budget afterward. Not even American media could spin that completely away for them. It’s one thing to risk default by refusing to agree to spending cuts, it’s another thing to risk default by refusing to agree to even think about how the budget might be balanced long-term. If Reid balks on this, call his bluff.

Just one question. If the point of this is to tie the debt ceiling not to spending cuts, which Obama can oppose on the merits, but to Democrats’ basic responsibility to pass a budget, which he really can’t, how does the GOP maintain that frame through the fights over the sequester and next year’s federal spending in March? If I’m Reid and I’m backed into the corner by a maneuver like this, I’d cave by passing some ridiculous budget, trust the media not to dwell too much on how ridiculous it is, and then turn immediately to pounding the table about how cruel and hateful and atrocious the cuts proposed in the Republican budget are. That would put the two sides back in relatively the same position they are now, with Democrats not even pretending to offer a credible alternative to the GOP’s proposal and focusing instead on turning the debt-ceiling standoff into a referendum on Republican spending ideas.

Update: Excellent. From Pelosi’s office:

“We need a clean debt ceiling increase and a bipartisan and balanced budget that protects Medicare and Social Security, invests in the future, and responsibly reduces the deficit.

“This proposal does not relieve the uncertainty faced by small businesses, the markets and the middle class. This is a gimmick unworthy of the challenges we face and the national debate we should be having. The message from the American people is clear: no games, no default.”

They will not, will not, be held accountable for proposing actual solutions to America’s fiscal crisis. Even with the full faith and credit of the country at stake.


Related Posts:

Breaking on Hot Air

Blowback

Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.

Trackbacks/Pings

Trackback URL

Comments

Comment pages: 1 2

…AND THEN GIVE THEM 3 MORE MONTHS!

KOOLAID2 on January 18, 2013 at 3:53 PM

…get rid of them all!

KOOLAID2 on January 18, 2013 at 3:53 PM

More political games and inside baseball from the GOP while Obama will speak directly to the ignorant American masses with lofty but meaningless rhetoric.

Daemonocracy on January 18, 2013 at 3:54 PM

…you haven’t seen one in three years…WTF?

KOOLAID2 on January 18, 2013 at 3:54 PM

Reid cannot pass a ridiculous budget, which means that he would be force, if he does anything, to pass some kind of realistic budget. That, in itself, is a small victory.

neoavatara on January 18, 2013 at 3:55 PM

I can see AP is returning to his photoshopping days with that Podium. Wait, that’s not photoshop?

can_con on January 18, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Just one question. If the point of this is to tie the debt ceiling not to spending cuts, which Obama can oppose on the merits, but to Democrats’ basic responsibility to pass a budget, which he really can’t, how does the GOP maintain that frame through the fights over the sequester and next year’s federal spending in March? If I’m Reid and I’m backed into the corner by a maneuver like this, I’d cave by passing some ridiculous budget, trust the media not to dwell too much on how ridiculous it is, and then turn immediately to pounding the table about how cruel and hateful and atrocious the cuts proposed in the Republican budget are. That would put the two sides back in relatively the same position they are now, with Democrats not even pretending to offer a credible alternative to the GOP’s proposal and focusing instead on turning the debt-ceiling standoff into a referendum on Republican spending ideas.

By ridiculous budget, AP, do you mean something insanely huge like $4 trillion? If so, please let them. Get them on record passing a budget of that size. Right now with continuing resolutions funding the government, it allows Obama and the Dems to pretend as if they have nothing to do with the annual deficits we’re running up. They’re still acting as if they “inherited” those from Bush.

Doughboy on January 18, 2013 at 3:57 PM

No, the issue is that with continuing resolutions, the government continues to spend at levels with a certain margin of the last pass budget. Which happened to be the one passed by two Democratic controlled house of Congress and was loaded with spending.

If they can force the Senate into passing a budget, then it all comes down to the House and the Senate working out the differences in their budgets and seeing it land on Obama’s desk. And the fact it would have to be a compromise between the Senate and House, it will assuredly have some kind of cuts in it.

If nothing else it will stop the continuing resolution boondoggle that is breaking us right now.

ButterflyDragon on January 18, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Well it appears that the r’s decided to pet the rattlesnake again? They know they will be bit but they still put their hand in front of the snake and by golly who knew they would be bit? When will the r’s realize YOU CAN not pet a rattlesnake/aka d’s and ever come out alive? The snake is a forked tongue lying bho/d’s that is he!! bent on seeing to it the r’s ARE NO more!
L

letget on January 18, 2013 at 3:58 PM

overwhelmingly

Well, OK, cleanly maybe.

Axe on January 18, 2013 at 3:58 PM

not only will the GOP achieve next to nothing by going to the mat on the debt ceiling, they’ll do damage to themselves politically by pounding the table for painful entitlement cuts that won’t even get to Obama’s desk. As Krauthammer said in his column this morning, “Don’t force the issue if you don’t have the power.”

I follow the logic, but it’s still the biggest baloney crap sandwich

Jackalope on January 18, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Full steam ahead!

MT on January 18, 2013 at 4:00 PM

This ought to be interesting. Has champ ever negotiated a budget? Hey GOP, say you will and then don’t. It works for dems.

DanMan on January 18, 2013 at 4:01 PM

“We need a clean debt ceiling increase and a bipartisan and balanced budget that protects Medicare and Social Security, invests in the future, and responsibly reduces the deficit.

“This proposal does not relieve the uncertainty faced by small businesses, the markets and the middle class. This is a gimmick unworthy of the challenges we face and the national debate we should be having. The message from the American people is clear: no games, no default.”

Pelosi said this with a straight face…only due to plastic surgery.

Goebbels orgasmed in his grave, again.

Pravda is way more credible than the US media.

Schadenfreude on January 18, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Forward./

kingsjester on January 18, 2013 at 4:02 PM

GOP Morons. Like Charlie Brown and the football.

DEMAND A FULL BUDGET BE PASSED FIRST, YOU IDIOTS!
WIELD THE POWER OF THE PURSE LIKE THE CLUB IT IS!

rayra on January 18, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Goddamned nutless wonders.

rayra on January 18, 2013 at 4:09 PM

The only incentive The One has to partner with Republicans on entitlement reform is his own conscience about America’s long-term insolvency, which is to say that he has zero incentive.

Classic Allahpundit!!! (And 100% right on!)

KS Rex on January 18, 2013 at 4:09 PM

So the kneepads media will fling the same hysterical cr@p at us again 90 days ? Wonder what they’ll do in the meantime ? I hope media hacks have a plan ;-)

burrata on January 18, 2013 at 4:10 PM

*yawn*

Mr. Arrogant on January 18, 2013 at 4:11 PM

The only incentive The One has to partner with Republicans on entitlement reform is his own conscience about America’s long-term insolvency, which is to say that he has zero incentive.

The Obamas hate America.

AP nailed ‘em, again. But America is out shopping and frolicking…until they all are famished, in the cold/dark.

Always starve the Looters. The moochers only learn when they hurt.

Schadenfreude on January 18, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Why have a debt ceiling at all? Republicans are so mean!

MT on January 18, 2013 at 4:14 PM

They will not, will not, be held accountable for proposing actual solutions to America’s fiscal crisis. Even with the full faith and credit of the country at stake.

Was this ever in doubt? The real question is will the Republican Party ever stop being the Stupid Party and start getting into playing the game as underhanded as the Democrats. They’ve got to get their hands dirty and bloody some noses if they are to stand any chance of winning… and saving the country.

Ukiah on January 18, 2013 at 4:14 PM

only due to plastic surgery.

Speaking of that, have y’all seen dear hill in the last few days? She has black rimmed glasses, a shorter nice hair do, the bags under her eyes seem to be gone, and the ‘turkey neck’ is gone also? What has happened to the ‘old’ hill?
L

letget on January 18, 2013 at 4:14 PM

AP, what makes you believe that the GOP will either be willing to fight in 3 months, or be able to win the messaging war?

They just gave the Dems what they wanted, again. The Dems have a clear debt ceiling increase. That is, the GOP signal (once again!) that they are not willing to fight over the debt ceiling.

Since the debt ceiling is the only mechanism that actually can prevent the Dems spending all the money they like (because you need their cooperation to pass a budget), what incentive do the Dems have to do anything but perpetuate this debt ceiling standoff?

Just look at it. The Democrats have won every debt ceiling standoff so far. Why would they want to switch from a winning plan?

The GOP has no cards to play here. Why are they trying to play?

Scott H on January 18, 2013 at 4:15 PM

If they can’t, I’ll be eager to hear Reid justify why not

It’s Bush’s fault and Republicans are racists
/Reid

burrata on January 18, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Members of Congress will not be paid by the American people for failing to do their job. No budget, no pay.

What the heck? That’s just evil.

You really expect those people to live on just their bribes, kickbacks and insider trading?

Think of their children!!!!

LegendHasIt on January 18, 2013 at 4:17 PM

“We need a clean debt ceiling increase and a bipartisan and balanced budget that protects Medicare and Social Security, invests in the future, and responsibly reduces the deficit.

“This proposal does not relieve the uncertainty faced by small businesses, the markets and the middle class. This is a gimmick unworthy of the challenges we face and the national debate we should be having. The message from the American people is clear: no games, no default.”

Yes, that’s nice.

PASS A BUDGET, DEMOCRATS.

Good Lt on January 18, 2013 at 4:17 PM

So the kneepads media will fling the same hysterical cr@p at us again 90 days ? Wonder what they’ll do in the meantime ? I hope media hacks have a plan ;-)

burrata on January 18, 2013 at 4:10 PM

.
Why don’t we Attack Obama & the media?

If you click and it doesn’t work, please let me know. Thanks.

PolAgnostic on January 18, 2013 at 4:18 PM

As Levin pointed out last night on his show, a reporterette asked Carney what limit Obooba wants and for how long. He treated the question with disdain.

It’s a good question!

Akzed on January 18, 2013 at 4:18 PM

and then reelected him overwhelmingly

I don’t see the last election as an “overwhelming” victory for Barky. Where do you get that from? It wasn’t any landslide or near one.

NJ Red on January 18, 2013 at 4:19 PM

This isn’t a gimmick and I agree with this plan.

To get around the 27th Amendment, you could fine them $1,000 a day instead… and if the fines aren’t paid within 30 days, they go to jail.

Do your job!

dforston on January 18, 2013 at 4:19 PM

The up side is while they’re haggling over budgets and debt ceilings, they don’t have time to take up Oligula’s other plans. Maybe there is a silver lining after all.

Liam on January 18, 2013 at 4:20 PM

As Levin pointed out last night on his show, a reporterette asked Carney what limit Obooba wants and for how long. He treated the question with disdain.

It’s a good question!

Akzed on January 18, 2013 at 4:18 PM

We all know the real answer. He wants the debt ceiling done away with altogether. Which makes me wonder how much he’d spend annually if the Dems still ran the entire Congress.

Doughboy on January 18, 2013 at 4:20 PM

If I’m Reid and I’m backed into the corner by a maneuver like this, I’d cave by passing some ridiculous budget, trust the media not to dwell too much on how ridiculous it is, and then turn immediately to pounding the table about how cruel and hateful and atrocious the cuts proposed in the Republican budget are. That would put the two sides back in relatively the same position they are now, with Democrats not even pretending to offer a credible alternative to the GOP’s proposal and focusing instead on turning the debt-ceiling standoff into a referendum on Republican spending ideas.

You forget that Reid has 23 seats to defend in 2014, and 8 of them are in Red states. He can’t pass a crazy budget with no cuts at all, because those red-state Dems can’t afford to vote for one. THAT’S why this is such a great move by the House GOP.

They really MUST make this failure of the Senate the central issue this year. It keeps them from having to frontally attack a President that just got reelected, and it potentially splits the Democrats in the Senate and puts Harry Reid in the spotlight, which will not be pretty for the Dems.

rockmom on January 18, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Just one question. If the point of this is to tie the debt ceiling not to spending cuts, which Obama can oppose on the merits, but to Democrats’ basic responsibility to pass a budget, which he really can’t, how does the GOP maintain that frame through the fights over the sequester and next year’s federal spending in March? If I’m Reid and I’m backed into the corner by a maneuver like this, I’d cave by passing some ridiculous budget, trust the media not to dwell too much on how ridiculous it is, and then turn immediately to pounding the table about how cruel and hateful and atrocious the cuts proposed in the Republican budget are. That would put the two sides back in relatively the same position they are now, with Democrats not even pretending to offer a credible alternative to the GOP’s proposal and focusing instead on turning the debt-ceiling standoff into a referendum on Republican spending ideas.

I also don’t see how any debt ceiling hike bill could actually force Reid to offer a budget. Reid could agree then just not do it.

Or he could just do as you say and offer a ridiculous budget and we’re back to square one.

Also all of this – as you note earlier – relies on the GOP to message a lot of things, which is never going to happen.

At this point I don’t see how we can avoid the real fiscal cliff. Better for the GOP just to stand back and let the Democrats finish pushing us off of the cliff.

gwelf on January 18, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Speaking of that, have y’all seen dear hill in the last few days? She has black rimmed glasses, a shorter nice hair do, the bags under her eyes seem to be gone, and the ‘turkey neck’ is gone also? What has happened to the ‘old’ hill?
L

letget on January 18, 2013 at 4:14 PM

.
Full face lifts are a common practice in cases where a fall has caused a “concussion” …

… in Hollywood.

PolAgnostic on January 18, 2013 at 4:21 PM

GOP Morons. Like Charlie Brown and the football.

DEMAND A FULL BUDGET BE PASSED FIRST, YOU IDIOTS!
WIELD THE POWER OF THE PURSE LIKE THE CLUB IT IS!

rayra on January 18, 2013 at 4:08 PM

The Wall Street bankers who most of them are Limousine Liberals and they are the ones who actually control the democrat party, will destroy the markets and blame the Republicans… They want their free money printed by the Federal Reserve… It is not as as you think…

mnjg on January 18, 2013 at 4:22 PM

You forget that Reid has 23 seats to defend in 2014, and 8 of them are in Red states. He can’t pass a crazy budget with no cuts at all, because those red-state Dems can’t afford to vote for one. THAT’S why this is such a great move by the House GOP.

They really MUST make this failure of the Senate the central issue this year. It keeps them from having to frontally attack a President that just got reelected, and it potentially splits the Democrats in the Senate and puts Harry Reid in the spotlight, which will not be pretty for the Dems.

rockmom on January 18, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Which is probably why Reid won’t offer a budget – even if he super swears to in some sort of debt ceiling hike deal. He’ll just keep doing what he’s been doing the last 4 years.

gwelf on January 18, 2013 at 4:23 PM

We have all just been jerking each other off for too long. When will we all stop wasting time chin-jawing over how Action A or Inaction B will make the Dems look bad? THEY CANNOT BE MADE TO LOOK BAD. The media will cover for them, promote their causes, and outright lie to the American people on their behalf. That is how O got elected again. We are living in a new political reality. When O-Care was passed over the objections of the people and without any bipartisan support, it signaled the beginning of a new era. The Libs are pushing for all they are worth to enact their vision, and they DO NOT CARE what it costs us OR THEM to get it done. They will accept anything, up to and including open civil war, as long as it enshrines their ideals and relegates us to the “dustbin of history.” No amount of pain is too great. Any political setback will be temporary, and worthwhile in service to The Cause. The game has changed, and if we keep trying to play fast-pitch softball at the Superbowl, we are going to LOSE. They have changed the game, and we need to play. Hard. Or, we could just sit around parsing the minutia of Boehner’s approach to debt negotiations while the Left buries us…

unclejack on January 18, 2013 at 4:23 PM

I don’t see the last election as an “overwhelming” victory for Barky. Where do you get that from? It wasn’t any landslide or near one.

NJ Red on January 18, 2013 at 4:19 PM

It depends on how you look at it. The electoral and popular vote margins were pretty decisive. But in terms of the number of states won by Obama or the popular vote margin the 4 swing states that decided the election(Florida, O-I-H-O, Virginia, and Wisconsin), it was obviously much closer.

It was no landslide, but it was still a fairly comfortable win. He’s the first candidate since Reagan to win more than 50% of the popular vote twice. Clinton failed to accomplish that even once.

Doughboy on January 18, 2013 at 4:23 PM

The GOP has no cards to play here. Why are they trying to play?

Scott H on January 18, 2013 at 4:15 PM

apparently you don’t understand the power of the purse, either.

rayra on January 18, 2013 at 4:26 PM

PLEASE – Don’t insult our intelligence even more.

It’s probable that the Republicans won’t be able (or willing) to make a short-term debt ceiling deal. But assuming they do:

In 3 months, there will be no Budget, there will be another Continuing Resolution that will be called a budget. The sequester will have been eliminated, and the need for an immediate debt-ceiling increase will be even more critical – Social Security and Medicare will be cut-off, children will starve, national parks will be closed, all the schools in America will have to close — and the Republicans will throw up their hands and say “we are really going to fight hard when the 2015 budget rolls around.

pilsener on January 18, 2013 at 4:29 PM

rayra on January 18, 2013 at 4:08 PM

The Wall Street bankers who most of them are Limousine Liberals and they are the ones who actually control the democrat party, will destroy the markets and blame the Republicans… They want their free money printed by the Federal Reserve… It is not as as you think…

mnjg on January 18, 2013 at 4:22 PM

I don’t think it is easy at all. I think it will be incredibly painful and disruptive. I’m telling the GOP to NUT UP AND GET IT OVER WITH. Yank the bandage off. FORCE PASSAGE OF A REAL BUDGET on pain of a complete government shutdown.

rayra on January 18, 2013 at 4:30 PM

I actually like this ploy. Let ‘em explain why they can’t pass a budget.

changer1701 on January 18, 2013 at 4:30 PM

apparently you don’t understand the power of the purse, either.

rayra on January 18, 2013 at 4:26 PM

You do not understand the power of the Limousine Liberals who control Wall Street and would destory the markets in few days if they do not get their free money printed by the Federal Reserve… And everyone will blame the Republicans for the destruction of the markets…

mnjg on January 18, 2013 at 4:31 PM

Speaking of that, have y’all seen dear hill in the last few days? She has black rimmed glasses, a shorter nice hair do, the bags under her eyes seem to be gone, and the ‘turkey neck’ is gone also? What has happened to the ‘old’ hill?
L

letget on January 18, 2013 at 4:14 PM

She doesn’t remember.

Concussion, you know.

Solaratov on January 18, 2013 at 4:31 PM

If the electorate is stupid enough to punish the GOP for finalyl gettign a budget enacted, then this nation DESERVES the destruction a Pelosi House will sow in 2015. It will apparently be the only way they are capable of learning the true terrors of the government they keep choosing.

And the rest of us can finally start killing the tyrants and parasites.

rayra on January 18, 2013 at 4:32 PM

I don’t think it is easy at all. I think it will be incredibly painful and disruptive. I’m telling the GOP to NUT UP AND GET IT OVER WITH. Yank the bandage off. FORCE PASSAGE OF A REAL BUDGET on pain of a complete government shutdown.

rayra on January 18, 2013 at 4:30 PM

Do you think that the democrats care if the government is shutdown? They want a government shutdown more than you know because it will work for their ultimate political advantage…

mnjg on January 18, 2013 at 4:33 PM

PolAgnostic on January 18, 2013 at 4:18 PM

It didn’t work.

Solaratov on January 18, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Folks, we are not in a position of winning at least in the next two years… In fact the only way that we can win is for the economy to collapse more so than it now due to Obama and his communists policies and the only way for this collapse to happen is to give Obama what he wants… It is that simple…

mnjg on January 18, 2013 at 4:37 PM

You do not understand the power of the Limousine Liberals who control Wall Street and would destory the markets in few days if they do not get their free money printed by the Federal Reserve… And everyone will blame the Republicans for the destruction of the markets…

mnjg on January 18, 2013 at 4:31 PM

You uncreative, wimpy, anxiety-ridden excuse-makers can always find a way to avoid being assertive and resist exerting whatever leverage you possess – stop your whining, little kid.

You remind me of Colin Powell and the aura of “leadership” he possesses.

Anti-Control on January 18, 2013 at 4:41 PM

“We need a clean debt ceiling increase … that … responsibly reduces the deficit.”

They write themselves.

“This proposal does not relieve the uncertainty faced by small businesses, the markets and the middle class. This is a gimmick unworthy of the challenges we face and the national debate we should be having.”

It’s like something generated by a program that randomly puts clauses and sentences together.

What’s it apply to? Pork-belly price controls? Firing the air-traffic controllers? Se.cession? The trillion dollar coin? It doesn’t matter. It’s progressive brain squeezings. It’s beatnik poetry by a really, really, really high bohemian.

Axe on January 18, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Do you think that the democrats care if the government is shutdown? They want a government shutdown more than you know because it will work for their ultimate political advantage…

mnjg on January 18, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Is that right? Why don’t you explain then why 0dumba allowed Biden to negotiate with McConnell to cut that fiscal cliff deal?

You don’t know what you are talking about.

Anti-Control on January 18, 2013 at 4:44 PM

You knew passing a budget would get the Dem’s screaming; if so, they would have to either cut spending or admit they want bigger government.

Tater Salad on January 18, 2013 at 4:44 PM

It’s ok, debt doesn’t matter anymore. Max out your credit cards and don’t pay. FREE MONEY FOR ALL!

davemason2k on January 18, 2013 at 4:46 PM

“We need a clean debt ceiling increase and a bipartisan and balanced budget that protects Medicare and Social Security, invests in the future, and responsibly reduces the deficit.

“This proposal does not relieve the uncertainty faced by small businesses, the markets and the middle class. This is a gimmick unworthy of the challenges we face and the national debate we should be having. The message from the American people is clear: no games, no default.”

Wait – Democrats have a plan that balances the budget and reduces the deficit?

Where?

gwelf on January 18, 2013 at 4:48 PM

I know there has been a lot of discussion on HA today whether or not to raise the debt ceiling. I think the GOP should raise it for the spending they had PREVIOUSLY agreed to (ie, through April). Then force a new budget, with enough limit to get them through the next budget year.

Tater Salad on January 18, 2013 at 4:49 PM

You uncreative, wimpy, anxiety-ridden excuse-makers can always find a way to avoid being assertive and resist exerting whatever leverage you possess – stop your whining, little kid.

You remind me of Colin Powell and the aura of “leadership” he possesses.

Anti-Control on January 18, 2013 at 4:41 PM

Listen fool… Let us say that the Republicans refuse to raise the debt ceiling then what is going to happen:

1. The Wall Street bankers also known as Limousine Liberals will destroy the markets in one week…
2. Most people will blame Republicans for the collapse…
3. The Republicans refuse to budge…
4. The markets will further collapse…
5. Most people will blame Republicans for the collapse…
6. The Republicans refuse to budge…
7. The markets will further collapse…
8. Most people will blame Republicans for the collapse…
Now the entire economy is effected by the markets collapse… and now what?…

We need to have the economy collapse due to Obama policies and the only way for this to happen is to give Obama what he wants… This is our only way to victory and then we can rebuild… Atlas Shrugged…

mnjg on January 18, 2013 at 4:50 PM

Wait – Democrats have a plan that balances the budget and reduces the deficit?

Where?

gwelf on January 18, 2013 at 4:48 PM

A Unicorn is delivering the “plan” as we speak.

VegasRick on January 18, 2013 at 4:52 PM

Listen fool…

mnjg on January 18, 2013 at 4:50 PM

I stopped reading your post at that point, you pompous, uncreative, uninteresting, wimpy, anxiety-ridden, excuse-making, and childish fool.

Anti-Control on January 18, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Yes, that’s nice.

PASS A BUDGET, DEMOCRATS.

Good Lt on January 18, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Yep.. The best the Rs can do is point this out again and again. The only way that we’re going to get actual reforms.. electing a President Ryan is four years (or perhaps a President Rubio who does whatever Ryan tells him to).

Illinidiva on January 18, 2013 at 4:56 PM

We need to have the economy collapse due to Obama policies and the only way for this to happen is to give Obama what he wants… This is our only way to victory and then we can rebuild… Atlas Shrugged…

mnjg on January 18, 2013 at 4:50 PM

1. Then obambi, the MFMSM, the Wall Street bankers also known as Limousine Liberals will blame Republicans for the collapse…
2. Most people will blame Republicans for the collapse…
3. The Republicans refuse to defend themselves
4. The markets will further collapse…
5. Most people will blame Republicans for the collapse…
6. The Republicans refuse to point out who really is to blame
7. The markets will further collapse…
8. Most people will blame Republicans for the collapse…
9. We are screwed.

VegasRick on January 18, 2013 at 4:58 PM

No one claimed that Atlas Unshrugged.

Schadenfreude on January 18, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Oh please.

Barky, Reid, and Pelosi will demand a 4 year hike to 30 trillion. They will then have the media tell the country that anything less than the Democrat non plan involves killing granny, surrendering to AQ, and barbecuing minorities on live television.

The GOP will then crash and burn in the polls prompting them all to convert to Keynsianism or Radical Islam.

CorporatePiggy on January 18, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Wait – Democrats have a plan that balances the budget and reduces the deficit?

Where?

gwelf on January 18, 2013 at 4:48 PM

The People’s Budget!

The People’s Budget eliminates the deficit in 10 years, puts Americans back to work and restores our economic competitiveness. The People’s Budget recognizes that in order to compete, our nation needs every American to be productive, and in order to be productive we need to raise our skills to meet modern needs.

Our Budget Eliminates the Deficit and Raises a $31 Billion Surplus In Ten Years
Our budget protects Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid and responsibly eliminates the deficit by targeting its main drivers: the Bush Tax Cuts, the wars overseas, and the causes and effects of the recent recession.

Our Budget Puts America Back to Work & Restores America’s Competitiveness
• Trains teachers and restores schools; rebuilds roads and bridges and ensures that users help pay for them
• Invests in job creation, clean energy and broadband infrastructure, housing and R&D programs

Our Budget Creates a Fairer Tax System
• Ends the recently passed upper-income tax cuts and lets Bush-era tax cuts expire at the end of 2012
• Extends tax credits for the middle class, families, and students
• Creates new tax brackets that range from 45% starting at $1 million to 49% for $1 billion or more
• Implements a progressive estate tax
• Eliminates corporate welfare for oil, gas, and coal companies; closes loopholes for multinational corporations
• Enacts a financial crisis responsibility fee and a financial speculation tax on derivatives and foreign exchange

Our Budget Protects Health
• Enacts a health care public option and negotiates prescription payments with pharmaceutical companies
• Prevents any cuts to Medicare physician payments for a decade

Our Budget Safeguards Social Security for the Next 75 Years
• Eliminates the individual Social Security payroll cap to make sure upper income earners pay their fair share
• Increases benefits based on higher contributions on the employee side

Our Budget Brings Our Troops Home
• Responsibly ends our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to leave America more secure both home and abroad
• Cuts defense spending by reducing conventional forces, procurement, and costly R&D programs

Our Budget’s Bottom Line
• Deficit reduction of $5.6 trillion
• Spending cuts of $1.7 trillion
• Revenue increase of $3.9 trillion
• Public investment $1.7 trillion

What could possibly go wrong?

visions on January 18, 2013 at 5:05 PM

Evidently Nancy-poo is irritated that she might have to actually produce something…..other than more RED INK.

GarandFan on January 18, 2013 at 5:11 PM

It didn’t work.

Solaratov on January 18, 2013 at 4:34 PM

.
It’s the classic S.P.I.S.P.O. effect.

(Silly Putty In, Silly Putty Out)

PolAgnostic on January 18, 2013 at 5:12 PM

They will not, will not, be held accountable for proposing actual solutions to America’s fiscal crisis. Even with the full faith and credit of the country at stake.

Talk about stuck on stupid. If they don’t pass a budget again, charge the whole lot of these feckless rumps with failure to uphold the laws they took an oath to adhere to. For every dollar of new spending they propose make them take a 10% pay cut. Demand they scale back travel and make them move into 3×5 office cubicles with one staff person. There’s no reason for us to pay for their high dollar swanky digs. Screw them. THEY WORK FOR US!

scalleywag on January 18, 2013 at 5:18 PM

Sounds like it’s all a big game and we are the HOCKY PUCK.

Until we can restructure Congress in the image of the Constitution, not in the image of the Party system, we might as well just bend over and get PUCKED.

jpcpt03 on January 18, 2013 at 5:20 PM

There needs to be a twitter feed with something like “pass a damn budget already”

scalleywag on January 18, 2013 at 5:20 PM

To get around the 27th Amendment, you could fine them $1,000 a day instead… and if the fines aren’t paid within 30 days, they go to jail.

Do your job!

dforston on January 18, 2013 at 4:19 PM

That should work.
Go, Ryan. Raise the debt ceiling just enough to get through three months with language in the bill requiring the House and Senate pass a budget or they (and their staff) are fined 1/365th of their income per day.

talkingpoints on January 18, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Why don’t we Attack Obama & the media?

If you click and it doesn’t work, please let me know. Thanks.

PolAgnostic on January 18, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Media will be comparing Obama and Clinton to Lincoln soon, since they both are pretending to be Lincoln nowadays .
I’m sure soon Hollywood will have a movie ready to tell Husseinites that Lincoln was a Democrat.
BTW,

What is the difference between Obama and Lincoln ?

Lincoln started a civil war to keep the nation together and end the enslavement of some. Obama will start a civil war to destroy the United States and ensure the enslavement of all.

burrata on January 18, 2013 at 5:32 PM

Speaking of that, have y’all seen dear hill in the last few days? She has black rimmed glasses, a shorter nice hair do, the bags under her eyes seem to be gone, and the ‘turkey neck’ is gone also? What has happened to the ‘old’ hill?
L

letget on January 18, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Ya can’t do cosmetic surgery on someone who’s anticoagulated – gets very… “wet” if you try.

OTOH, everyone takes both good and bad photo’s, and having the media screen out your bad ones can make a worthwhile difference in appearance. Remember, we only see the ones they want us to see.

Regarding the budget strategy, almost any plan would be a start, as long as the GOP had the resolve to actually follow through on the “or else” part. Since they’ve repeatedly shown that they don’t, it’s kind of academic which road is chosen now. WTH, they’re (dems and most reps) all on the same team anyway, so it’s just an intra-squad scrimmage anyway.

bofh on January 18, 2013 at 5:33 PM

Everything Pelosi does is wrapped around one gimmick or another. If gimmick had a face it would look just like her.

scalleywag on January 18, 2013 at 5:35 PM

It’s probably been asked before but I’ve never seen an answer.

If the Senate is required by law to pass a budget, what is the penalty if they don’t? What good is a law if it’s not enforced?

JetBlast on January 18, 2013 at 5:46 PM

wimps.

albill on January 18, 2013 at 5:56 PM

It’s probably been asked before but I’ve never seen an answer.

If the Senate is required by law to pass a budget, what is the penalty if they don’t? What good is a law if it’s not enforced?

JetBlast on January 18, 2013 at 5:46 PM

Who would enforce it?

weaselyone on January 18, 2013 at 5:58 PM

I stopped reading your post at that point, you pompous, uncreative, uninteresting, wimpy, anxiety-ridden, excuse-making, and childish fool.
Anti-Control on January 18, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Heh. Pot, Kettle

LegendHasIt on January 18, 2013 at 6:01 PM

So to Pelosi congress passing a budget is a gimmick?

exceller on January 18, 2013 at 6:04 PM

They will not, will not, be held accountable for proposing actual solutions to America’s fiscal crisis. Even with the full faith and credit of the country at stake.

There is something grievously wrong with our system of government that allows this to happen without any serious consequences to the parties involved.
And seriously-it’s unconstitutional to deny pay to lawmakers who won’t do their jobs-is that really true?

hopeful on January 18, 2013 at 6:17 PM

Heh. Pot, Kettle

LegendHasIt on January 18, 2013 at 6:01 PM

Your wimpy, passive-aggressive, circuituous and childish amusement at that amuses me – do you believe you like how that works out as much as I do? :)

Anti-Control on January 18, 2013 at 6:23 PM

GOP Morons. Like Charlie Brown and the football.

DEMAND A FULL BUDGET BE PASSED FIRST, YOU IDIOTS!
WIELD THE POWER OF THE PURSE LIKE THE CLUB IT IS!

rayra on January 18, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Republicans apparently didn’t learn from the ’80s with Reagan and Tip O’NotGoingToActuallyDoWhatIpromisedYouNeil

LoganSix on January 18, 2013 at 6:39 PM

Anti-Control on January 18, 2013 at 6:23 PM

Heh. You are a cutie allright…
mnjg wrote almost the same thing to me a couple of days ago.

So, I reiterate: Pot Kettle.

I hope you enjoy this one as much as the previous.

Kisses.

LegendHasIt on January 18, 2013 at 6:39 PM

Pelosi: “We need a clean debt ceiling increase and a bipartisan and balanced budget that protects Medicare and Social Security, invests in the future, and responsibly reduces the deficit.

“Invests in the future” means dumping more (non-existent) money into “green energy” failures.

Pelosi: “This proposal does not relieve the uncertainty faced by small businesses, the markets and the middle class. This is a gimmick unworthy of the challenges we face and the national debate we should be having. The message from the American people is clear: no games, no default.”

Aside from the obvious vacuousness of Pelosi’s Lackoff-generated, poll-tested boilerplate phrasing, she needs to be asked why it doesn’t relieve those factors that she blithely lists without understanding fundamental budgeting and economics.

Who is letting Pelosi get away with this stupidity? It is so easily refuted. To challenge her to answer her own empty rhetoric would leave her blinking and spluttering.

onlineanalyst on January 18, 2013 at 6:44 PM

Heh. You are a cutie allright…
mnjg wrote almost the same thing to me a couple of days ago.

So, I reiterate: Pot Kettle.

I hope you enjoy this one as much as the previous.

Kisses.

LegendHasIt on January 18, 2013 at 6:39 PM

Context helps! I am sorry I misunderstood your post. :)

Anti-Control on January 18, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Obysmal and Reid want a debt-ceiling increase until 2014 in order to protect the Dems whose elections are coming up. Preferably both want a four-year deal that lets them spend to their hearts’ content.

onlineanalyst on January 18, 2013 at 7:03 PM

We need to have the economy collapse due to Obama policies and the only way for this to happen is to give Obama what he wants… This is our only way to victory and then we can rebuild… Atlas Shrugged…

mnjg

You are so stupid it hurts.

xblade on January 18, 2013 at 7:17 PM

I’m shooting for 10,000 rounds of .22lr.

wolly4321 on January 18, 2013 at 7:25 PM

apparently you don’t understand the power of the purse, either.

rayra on January 18, 2013 at 4:26 PM

And how exactly has that helped them to save the country?

I’m waiting…

The GOP will betray you

True_King on January 18, 2013 at 7:28 PM

DoesTWC carry the Outdoor Channel? Would this affect the sponsors of their Tuesday nite shooting programs or their–I think it’s Wednesday nite–self defense programs.

In any event, this is a stupid move. Tick off customers and reject the money of one of the strongest segments of the economy.

joated on January 18, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Oops! Wrong thread!

joated on January 18, 2013 at 7:35 PM

It’s probably been asked before but I’ve never seen an answer.

If the Senate is required by law to pass a budget, what is the penalty if they don’t? What good is a law if it’s not enforced?

JetBlast on January 18, 2013 at 5:46 PM

You won’t like the answer. There is no legal penalty for no pass budget. In fact this time around they got a big reward.

arnold ziffel on January 18, 2013 at 8:04 PM

You are so stupid it hurts.

xblade on January 18, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Allright Einstein, let’s see your brilliant and workable alternative.

Get a whetstone. You’re duller than a butter knife if you think there is a political solution to this mess. The Titanic is going down and that is THAT.

MelonCollie on January 18, 2013 at 10:15 PM

I’m … not sure the part about suspending Congress’s pay is constitutional, but okay.

I’m sure Roberts can come up with some convoluted logic that makes it kinda-sorta okay under Congress’s authority to tax the crap out of people.

malclave on January 18, 2013 at 10:28 PM

I can’t wait for April. This is something the Republicans should have done 2 years ago, but better late than never, although, if they had done this 2 years ago, I’d bet the election results would have been different.

I’ll be anxious to see if the Republicans really have the guts to do what they say they’re going to do, no budget, no debt ceiling increase. Also, if they were smart (which is always a question) they would allow the sequestration to take place. The Democrats had big smiles on their faces when they first proposed this because Republicans were going to have to cut defense. Well, that’s fine, I’m sure the Pentagon can creatively cut some fat from their budget in return for the Democrats cutting some fat from entitlements.

bflat879 on January 19, 2013 at 12:03 AM

This is Our Country!
This is Our Government!
This is Our way of Life!
This Country was formed in Our Blood, Our Fortunes, Our Sacred Honor and Our very lives!
We live in a failure of the five branch of our Government!
1. Administrative
2. Legislative
3. Judicial
4. We The People
5. Free Press
If they no longer functions it is because we allowed it to be so!

jpcpt03 on January 19, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Comment pages: 1 2