Biden: We need more gun laws because we don’t have time to enforce the ones we have

posted at 8:01 am on January 18, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Joe Biden headed up the task force on gun violence that supposedly wanted to hear all perspectives before proposing a new raft of laws that would restrict access to weapons, magazines, and ammunition.  According to one participant, one reason that Biden and Barack Obama want new laws is because they don’t have time to enforce the laws already on the books — specifically, the laws relating to background checks that Biden and Obama want expanded:

During the National Rifle Association’s meeting with Vice President Joe Biden and the White House gun violence task force, the vice president said the Obama administration does not have the time to fully enforce existing gun laws.

Jim Baker, the NRA representative present at the meeting, recalled the vice president’s words during an interview with The Daily Caller: “And to your point, Mr. Baker, regarding the lack of prosecutions on lying on Form 4473s, we simply don’t have the time or manpower to prosecute everybody who lies on a form, that checks a wrong box, that answers a question inaccurately.” …

In 2010, prosecutors considered just 22 cases of information falsification, according to a 2012 report to the Department of Justice by the Regional Justice Information Service. Forty additional background-check cases ended up before prosecutors for reasons related to unlawful gun possession.

In all, prosecutors pursued just 44 of those 62 cases. More than 72,600 applications were denied on the basis of a background check. …

Gun prosecutions in 2011 were down 35 percent from the previous administration’s peak in 2004, according to Justice Department data compiled by the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse at Syracuse University.

Not every failed background check is due to deliberate fraud or deception, of course.  People can make mistakes like “check[ing] a wrong box” without malicious or deceptive intent.  However, I’d guess that the percentage of failures involving deception and fraud is somewhat higher than .086% of all rejected applications.

If not, then the existing background check system fails 99.91% of the time, and isn’t a deterrent to gun violence at all.  If fraud and deception occur at a higher rate than 62 out of 72,600, then rather than add to the number of background checks, we should first ask why the Department of Justice didn’t pursue more than 44 prosecutions, which is a worse rate of .0606% of all rejected applications.  If it’s that they don’t have time to check more failures, as Biden insisted, then why on Earth are we demanding a higher volume of background checks?  What we need is a higher volume of follow-up on existing red flags.

The Daily Caller asked for some clarification on this point, but …

Vice President Biden’s press office did not respond to requests for comment.

I’m not opposed to expanding background checks in principle, but what’s the point if no one follows up on the bad actors they expose in the existing system?

Update: 99.1% should have been 99.91%; I’ve fixed it above.


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Shorter Plugs – M0aR!!!11!!ElevEnTy~!~!@1!

Steve Eggleston on January 18, 2013 at 8:03 AM

Ask the Director of the BATFE, oh wait, that office has been empty for 6 years.

tom daschle concerned on January 18, 2013 at 8:04 AM

D’oh

cmsinaz on January 18, 2013 at 8:08 AM

Idiot®

Electrongod on January 18, 2013 at 8:08 AM

Perhaps 0bama should issue an EO directing the government to enforce existing law.

Machiavelli on January 18, 2013 at 8:09 AM

Keep the crisis going.
Keep the hysterical mantra up.
And the rubes will agree to anything.
And the media will help them.

Badger40 on January 18, 2013 at 8:10 AM

Politics 101.
How to creat a need for new laws ?
Ignore the present ones and say they don’t work.

Jabberwock on January 18, 2013 at 8:11 AM

They apparently don’t have the time to obey laws either.

These tyrants are salivating over this. I would bet their number one goal is registration. Firearm registration is the prelude to confiscation. Once they know who has guns they can force a “buyback”.

“Sure, you can keep your guns, we just want to know who has them … wink wink”.

darwin on January 18, 2013 at 8:11 AM

Once they know who has guns they can force a “buyback”.

“Sure, you can keep your guns, we just want to know who has them … wink wink”.

darwin on January 18, 2013 at 8:11 AM

And for those of us who lost them, & have nothing to produce, will the govt really believe us?
I doubt it.
Harassment or even confinement for those not producing the weapons the Fed says they have.
Like Holder wanted, change the narrative regarding guns & make it bad so that anyone having them are presented as evil doers to the public, like they’ve done with smoking.

Badger40 on January 18, 2013 at 8:17 AM

It’s disheartening to see such truly stupid people rise to the pinnacle of American society, and become set for life at our expense, all the while telling us how we should eat, sleep, drink, live, love and breathe.

totherightofthem on January 18, 2013 at 8:18 AM

Badger40 on January 18, 2013 at 8:17 AM

That’s because they can. As a poster on my daughter’s bedroom wall says, impunity breeds contempt. The ballot box is no longer a deterrent because one who owns both the messenger and the referee can never lose a message war. Who will organize a Million Rifle March to DC?

Archivarix on January 18, 2013 at 8:22 AM

Dumb as bricks doesn’t start to explain it. Just wait till the NRA cleans their clock come ’14. Even senate dems know the score, and I highly doubt whether any scrap of gun legislation would pass the senate, forget the house. This is just optics to keep their base happy, and then blame the evil pubs when no legislation gets through.

tommy71 on January 18, 2013 at 8:23 AM

What is making me most nervous about all this “gun control” is that we aren’t hearing anything from the likes of McConnel, Boehner, Ryan, Cantor, et al. I would think they would be leading the charge to be emphatically stating that they won’t allow the 2nd ammendment to be trampled. Where are our leaders?

rsherwd65 on January 18, 2013 at 8:25 AM

And to your point, Mr. Baker, regarding the lack of prosecutions on lying on Form 4473s, we simply don’t have the time or manpower to prosecute everybody who lies on a form, that checks a wrong box, that answers a question inaccurately.

I never thought I’d see such a stupid statement out of someone who had to cheat their way to the bottom of their class, pursuing…Poli Sci.

MNHawk on January 18, 2013 at 8:26 AM

RINO Governor’s apparently don’t have time to prosecute weapons fraud… they’re too busy being frauds.

Mark Levin rips into Chris Christie for calling the new NRA ad “reprehensible” for “dragging people’s children” into the issue, saying Christie’s a fraud when it comes to being a principled conservative.

Flashback: Gov. Chris Christie dragging people’s children into the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy tragedy

Terp Mole on January 18, 2013 at 8:27 AM

Where are our leaders?

rsherwd65 on January 18, 2013 at 8:25 AM

Not in the Republican Party. Look elsewhere.

gryphon202 on January 18, 2013 at 8:28 AM

“And to your point, Mr. Baker, regarding the lack of prosecutions on lying on Form 4473s, we simply don’t have the time or manpower to prosecute everybody who lies on a form, that checks a wrong box, that answers a question inaccurately.”

 
Just wait until you retroactively make half the nation criminals.

rogerb on January 18, 2013 at 8:29 AM

Who will organize a Million Rifle March to DC?

Archivarix on January 18, 2013 at 8:22 AM

Probably the only folks with those guts are the militants holed up in the wildernesses of WA & OR & MT & such.
But you know, I’d be part of that.
Not for violence, but bcs it’s my right to protest & own a weapon & be peaceful about it.

Badger40 on January 18, 2013 at 8:30 AM

Where are our leaders?

rsherwd65 on January 18, 2013 at 8:25 AM

Waiting for the little people to sit down and shut up.

Limerick on January 18, 2013 at 8:30 AM

The thing about background checks, I was wondering if there are any other Constitutional Rights that should be required before that right can belong to the citizen. I came up with the possibility that posting
a video on YouTube might require a background check. Are there any others besides the 1st and 2nd Amendment that might require a background check before that Constitutional Right might be exercised?

Buddahpundit on January 18, 2013 at 8:31 AM

I’d get better analysis from a bag of goose shiite, how do people this stupid manage to lord it over the rest of us.

I don’t think people like Biden, Holder, and Bark were who the Founders had in mind when they created the governmental foundations of this great nation.

Bishop on January 18, 2013 at 8:31 AM

I love this site, but what use is it anymore. It is just a pissing contest now. We are a joke in most circles.

tomas on January 18, 2013 at 8:31 AM

One heartbeat away.

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on January 18, 2013 at 8:32 AM

If not, then the existing background check system fails 99.1% of the time, and isn’t a deterrent to gun violence at all.

Say what? Think you are mistaken. The 99.1% represents people who applied and were DENIED because of the background check. 99.1% of the people who were DENIED, BECAUSE of a background check, were not prosecuted for lying about not being a felon, mentally disturbed, etc etc.

In short, the background check system worked (in those specific cases) but the stupid feds don’t follow up.

RW Wacko on January 18, 2013 at 8:33 AM

I’m not opposed to expanding background checks in principle, but what’s the point if no one follows up on the bad actors they expose in the existing system?

Kabuki theater. Obama knows the House won’t pass more gun regulations, and he probably also knows that more gun regulations would have zero effect in curbing gun violence. But Obama’s goal is not curbing gun violence (no matter what he says). His goal is amassing more political power, and he does this by convincing the rubes (in his base and in the MSM, but I repeat myself) that he’s doing everything humanly possible to try and stop gun violence — for the children — but those damn bitter-clinging, knuckle-dragging Republicans keep thwarting him. (Which is why everyone should vote for the Democrats in 2014. Teach those child-killing Republicans a lesson! And give Dear Leader even more power to destroy the country than he already has! It’s for the children!!!!!)

AZCoyote on January 18, 2013 at 8:35 AM

tomas on January 18, 2013 at 8:31 AM

You wake up this morning and realize that the country is polarized to a point not seen in decades? Welcome to today.

Limerick on January 18, 2013 at 8:37 AM

“And to your point, Mr. Baker, regarding the lack of prosecutions on lying on Form 4473s, we simply don’t have the time or manpower to prosecute everybody who lies on a form, that checks a wrong box, that answers a question inaccurately.”

Ranks right next to “We have to pass it”as the most ignorant statements ever made in politics.BTW, I have no guns nor do I associate with anyone who does.

docflash on January 18, 2013 at 8:38 AM

they don’t have time to enforce the laws already on the books

If the repubs were smart they would be airing radio and TV spots with this.

Dr. Frank Enstine on January 18, 2013 at 8:42 AM

Where are our leaders?

rsherwd65 on January 18, 2013 at 8:25 AM

Building their reelection campaign war chests.

It’s all about dollars and perspective, not performance.

fogw on January 18, 2013 at 8:44 AM

Idiot®

Electrongod on January 18, 2013 at 8:08 AM

Ha!

Bmore on January 18, 2013 at 8:47 AM

You wake up this morning and realize that the country is polarized to a point not seen in decades? Welcome to today.

Limerick on January 18, 2013 at 8:37 AM

As a party & a people, we better start thinking about (and acting on) a long game pretty soon or we’re basically fvcked as a nation.

Hold our leaders accountable and make them do what we elected them to do – or throw them out. Someone with any balls – Cruz, Rand Paul, Bueller? – has to step up & say enough is enough. Start at the grassroots / local level and work up form there;

Make inroads into a media that is basically been Pravda for the last couple decades. The fix has been in for a while, and here we are;

Overhaul an educational system that has, for the past 40 years, been infested and eroded by liberal garbage to the point where our kids have become so stupid and ignorant (with the help of revisionist history by academicians) that they have no idea what the country even was or stood for – “fundamental transformation”, indeed.

Otherwise, it’s just a b!tch & moan site, and we’re out of time for whining.

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on January 18, 2013 at 8:47 AM

They sure are going at new gun laws FAST & FURIOUS!

Wander on January 18, 2013 at 8:48 AM

Hey Biden… what do you think of Obama selling guns illegally to Mexican drug lords? Would you like to be President? Because you could be once Obama is arrested and/or impeached (as long as you are innocent) for gun trafficking. Think about that.

Holder Begs Court to Stop Document Release on Fast and Furious

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/17/Holder-begs-court-to-indefinitely-delay-group-s-lawsuit-fighting-for-release-of-Obama-s-executive-privilege-Fast-and-Furious-documents

“It is beyond ironic that the Obama administration has initiated an anti-gun violence push as it seeking to keep secret key documents about its very own Fast and Furious gun walking scandal,”

You want to stop Obama’s gun grab? You want to make his second term ineffective? Even if he doesn’t get impeached?
Here is the key. Right here. Fast and Furious!

This scandal undermines this President… everything he has done and is attempting. From immigration reform to gun control to ObamaCare…. trafficking guns into Mexico selling them to Mexican drug lords with the intent to increase gun violence! So that gun violence could be used politically here to further his agenda!

This President… at least members of this administration was hoping and actively planning to cause Sandy Hook slaughters! At least one American was killed from one of these guns and God knows how many other Mexicans!

Somebody needs to ask the President if one of the guns his administration sold to Mexican drug lords was used in a school shooting… would that be enough to fire Eric Holder? Is that the kind of gun violence he is talking about or is that gun violence exempted?

Somebody needs to ask Chris Christie which was more reprehensible… the Obama administration selling guns to Mexican drug lords or the NRA ad?

I am sick and tired of these hypocrites getting away with this crap! And I am tired of so called leaders on our side ignoring the corruption of the left! Like it doesn’t exist!

JellyToast on January 18, 2013 at 8:49 AM

There is so much stupid pouring out of Biden’s mouth now that I can’t keep up with it. And I could barely keep up before!

Gatsu on January 18, 2013 at 8:50 AM

We aren’t polarized…we lost. We are baggage that needs to be dealt with.

tomas on January 18, 2013 at 8:57 AM

It’s disheartening to see such truly stupid people rise to the pinnacle of American society…

totherightofthem on January 18, 2013 at 8:18 AM

There is so much stupid pouring out of Biden’s mouth now that I can’t keep up with it. And I could barely keep up before!

Gatsu on January 18, 2013 at 8:50 AM

Can you imagine Biden, or Obama or “Pass the bill so you can find out what’s in the bill” Pelosi teleported back in time to Carpenter’s Hall, 1774, to engage in open dialog with our Continental forefathers?

Can you iemagine how absolutely appalled the conventioners would be to discover that these are our duly elected leaaders from the future?

CaptFlood on January 18, 2013 at 8:58 AM

CaptFlood on January 18, 2013 at 8:58 AM

Haha! A slow boat to London, maybe?

Limerick on January 18, 2013 at 9:00 AM

Maybe saying the administration was actively planning school shootings through Fast and Furious is a little much for some on our side…. but, as was reported… (and I am sure I read it here at one point) as was reported by one of the ATF whistle blowers, the intent of Fast and Furious was to increase gun crime (gun violence) so it could be used to further gun control here.

There would be no way of knowing where or what kinds of crime those guns would be used in. A border patrol agent was killed. A gun was found at the murder of a Mexican beauty queen. I read that as far as they know, these guns have been used in hundreds of crimes so far in Mexico.

Is it really that far fetched to think one of these guns could be used in a school shooting? Either here or in Mexico? There is no telling where any of those high powered assault weapons would and up… where they could still end up in the future.

If one of these assault weapons were used in a school shooting…. and Fast and Furious had not yet been exposed… would Obama have used it like he is using Sandy Hook to further gun control? Would his administration, then, not be indirectly responsible for a school shooting? Do we even know whether any children have been killed yet by one of these high powered assault weapons that they sold to Mexican drug lords?

JellyToast on January 18, 2013 at 9:00 AM

Can you iemagine how absolutely appalled the conventioners would be to discover that these are our duly elected leaaders from the future?

CaptFlood on January 18, 2013 at 8:58 AM

They probably would have just stopped the revolution right there and moved out into the frontier.

I have often said that one of the greatest failings of the late 20th/21st century has been our political class. If anyone looks to anyone in any sort of office as inspiration or guidance they are all the fool for it…

Gatsu on January 18, 2013 at 9:06 AM

Over 20,000 gun control laws were on the books of this nation when Martin Luther King Jr, JFK, and RFK were shot.
Back then, CBS was already cranking up the gun-grab machine with a documentary(White Paper)on the “evil” legitimate gun owner. Remember it was also CBS that hosted Walter Cronkite’s big lie about the Tet Offensive being lost, and Danny Rather’s faux papers on Bush.

They know laws don’t work, but that isn’t their real goal. Any means to an end means especially lying, deceiving , manipulating and ignoring the constitution they so loath. Trust them at risk of your own demise

Don L on January 18, 2013 at 9:20 AM

Can you iemagine how absolutely appalled the conventioners would be to discover that these are our duly elected leaaders from the future?

CaptFlood on January 18, 2013 at 8:58 AM

They probably would have just stopped the revolution right there and moved out into the frontier.

I have often said that one of the greatest failings of the late 20th/21st century has been our political class. If anyone looks to anyone in any sort of office as inspiration or guidance they are all the fool for it…

Gatsu on January 18, 2013 at 9:06 AM

Frankly, you can’t blame the tree for bearing rotten fruit when the farmer failed to properly prune beforehand.
It is we voters; including the willfully ignorant, the envious, lust-filled, parasitical, oppressed angry and dependent, the slothful, the God -hating, the “seduced by sensitivity propaganda” folks who bought their wares only to find out the warranty was worthless.

Don L on January 18, 2013 at 9:25 AM

Frankly, you can’t blame the tree for bearing rotten fruit when the farmer failed to properly prune beforehand.
It is we voters; including the willfully ignorant, the envious, lust-filled, parasitical, oppressed angry and dependent, the slothful, the God -hating, the “seduced by sensitivity propaganda” folks who bought their wares only to find out the warranty was worthless.

Don L on January 18, 2013 at 9:25 AM

Well put.

This election was less about Obama, and more about what we’ve become as an electorate, and it’s not pretty.

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on January 18, 2013 at 9:31 AM

Not every failed background check is due to deliberate fraud or deception, of course. People can make mistakes like “check[ing] a wrong box” without malicious or deceptive intent. However, I’d guess that the percentage of failures involving deception and fraud is somewhat higher than .086% of all rejected applications.

Does anyone have a copy of the form so it’s more apparent what innocent mistakes can be made? I went to the ATF website to get a copy, but they only provide an e-form (no simple pdf) and that e-form requires you download an executable program created by ATF for filling out the form.

See this reduces potential mistakes if the applicant knows his zip code, he won’t make a mistake on which state, city or county he lives in.

Yeah, like I want an ATF program loaded onto my computer.

Still I’m curious what checkboxes one can make a mistake on or a question one can answer inaccurately.

Dusty on January 18, 2013 at 9:40 AM

Biden: We need more gun laws because we don’t have time to enforce the ones we have

…they’ve been closing nut houses for decades!…time to re-open them!

KOOLAID2 on January 18, 2013 at 9:45 AM

Frankly, you can’t blame the tree for bearing rotten fruit when the farmer failed to properly prune beforehand.
It is we voters; including the willfully ignorant, the envious, lust-filled, parasitical, oppressed angry and dependent, the slothful, the God -hating, the “seduced by sensitivity propaganda” folks who bought their wares only to find out the warranty was worthless.

Don L on January 18, 2013 at 9:25 AM

Oh I don’t blame the tree. The political class is a reflection of the society that breeds them. One could argue it is a pale, distant reflection on the individual level, but a mirror image on the societal level. The political class is but the end result of the societal root that grows them.

I take no joy or pride in that assessment either… It is just the times we live in I suppose. Sad really…

Gatsu on January 18, 2013 at 9:51 AM

My tax bill every year says otherwise Joey. You ignorant slut.

Mr. Arrogant on January 18, 2013 at 10:00 AM

You wake up this morning and realize that the country is polarized to a point not seen in decades? Welcome to today.

Limerick on January 18, 2013 at 8:37 AM

You’re not joking:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/338049/new-anti-terror-front-yes-government-thinks-its-right-wing-extremists-john-fund

Night Owl on January 18, 2013 at 10:01 AM

Frankly, you can’t blame the tree for bearing rotten fruit when the farmer failed to properly prune beforehand.

Don L on January 18, 2013 at 9:25 AM

That’s so freaking quotable…

MelonCollie on January 18, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Perhaps 0bama should issue an EO directing the government to enforce existing law.

Machiavelli on January 18, 2013 at 8:09 AM

If you read his list of 23 executive actions, that’s pretty much what he did.

I think I’ll file that along with Eric Holder’s assertion that something like Fast & Furious will never happen again, even though he has no idea how it happened the first time, or even what happened.

Socratease on January 18, 2013 at 10:32 AM

If it’s that they don’t have time to check more failures, as Biden insisted, then why on Earth are we demanding a higher volume of background checks?

One word: Soundbite

BobMbx on January 18, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Obama administration has already taken steps to decrease gun violence by closing down Fast and Furious.

Now we just need the report

R Square on January 18, 2013 at 10:40 AM

I love this site, but what use is it anymore. It is just a pissing contest now. We are a joke in most circles.
tomas on January 18, 2013 at 8:31 AM

We aren’t polarized…we lost. We are baggage that needs to be dealt with.
tomas on January 18, 2013 at 8:57 AM

Ya know who you sound like?

Hudson: Oh dear Lord Jesus, this ain’t happening, man… This can’t be happening, man! This isn’t happening!

Hudson: Look, I’m telling ya, there’s somethin’ movin’ and it ain’t us! Tracker’s off scale, man. They’re all around us, man. Jesus!

Hudson: We’re all gonna die man.

Ripley: Well, I don’t care how, but we better think of something. We better think of a way.
Hudson: Think of what? We’re f#cked!
Hicks: Shut up!
Hudson: We’re doomed here!
Hicks: SHUT UP!

Hudson: [after the drop ship crash] That’s great, this is really f#ckin’ great, man. Now, what the f#ck are we supposed to do? We’re in some pretty sh!t now, man.
Hudson: That’s it, man. Game over, man. Game over, what the f#ck are we supposed to now, huh, what are we gonna do?

I wouldn’t want someone like that on my side in a major battle…..
It aint over til its over….

dentarthurdent on January 18, 2013 at 10:43 AM

I love this site, but what use is it anymore. It is just a pissing contest now. We are a joke in most circles.
tomas on January 18, 2013 at 8:31 AM

We aren’t polarized…we lost. We are baggage that needs to be dealt with.
tomas on January 18, 2013 at 8:57 AM

Ya know who you sound like?

Hudson: Oh dear Lord Jesus, this ain’t happening, man… This can’t be happening, man! This isn’t happening!

Hudson: Look, I’m telling ya, there’s somethin’ movin’ and it ain’t us! Tracker’s off scale, man. They’re all around us, man. Jesus!

Hudson: We’re all gonna die man.

Ripley: Well, I don’t care how, but we better think of something. We better think of a way.
Hudson: Think of what? We’re fl#cked!
Hicks: Shut up!
Hudson: We’re doomed here!
Hicks: SHUT UP!

Hudson: [after the drop ship crash] That’s great, this is really fl#ckin’ great, man. Now, what the fl#ck are we supposed to do? We’re in some pretty sh!!t now, man.
Hudson: That’s it, man. Game over, man. Game over, what the fl#ck are we supposed to now, huh, what are we gonna do?

I wouldn’t want someone like that on my side in a major battle…..
It aint over til its over….

dentarthurdent on January 18, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Obama administration has already taken steps to decrease gun violence by closing down Fast and Furious.

Now we just need the report

R Square on January 18, 2013 at 10:40 AM

Romney’s $10k says the gun running is still happening under a different operation title….

dentarthurdent on January 18, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Machiavelli on January 18, 2013 at 8:09 AM

Nah, I think we should add this to the role of doctors while they are asking about your guns and giving seniors counseling on taking the blue or red pill.

katablog.com on January 18, 2013 at 11:01 AM

“And to your point, Mr. Baker, regarding the lack of prosecutions on lying on Form 4473s, we simply don’t have the time or manpower to prosecute everybody who lies on a form, that checks a wrong box, that answers a question inaccurately.”

But they can hire 18,000 new IRS agents to enforce and collect the obamacare “tax”.

Priorities? mmmm mmmm mmmm

Solaratov on January 18, 2013 at 11:07 AM

I’d get better analysis from a bag of goose shiite, how do people this stupid manage to lord it over the rest of us.

I don’t think people like Biden, Holder, and Bark were who the Founders had in mind when they created the governmental foundations of this great nation.

Bishop on January 18, 2013 at 8:31 AM

I agree, Bishop. These jerks wouldn’t have been able to get a job cleaning the stables for our Founding Fathers. The pretzel logic in this will play well with the idiot voters who support these tools, though. I suppose that not having enough manpower for prosecution of existing laws explains a lot about Fast and Furious. Imagine a mechanic explaining to his shop workers that since we don’t have the manpower to work on all the cars we have now, we’re going to have to get some more cars…

ghostwalker1 on January 18, 2013 at 11:09 AM

Not for violence, but bcs it’s my right to protest & own a weapon & be peaceful about it.

Badger40 on January 18, 2013 at 8:30 AM

I’ve had liberals tell me that the second amendment doesn’t allow the common man to own guns. When I responded that the 1st and 2nd use the phrase “right of the people” then the 1st can’t mean common people either. Any time now liberals will start saying you don’t have the right to petition government for a redress of grievances. Your protest will be cancelled.

chemman on January 18, 2013 at 11:14 AM

Don L on January 18, 2013 at 9:20 AM

Laws like locks are in place to control the minimally moral person. They have no effect on immoral people.

chemman on January 18, 2013 at 11:19 AM

Barry and Sheriff Joe just want more laws that they can pick and choose from for enforcement. It’s called “control”.

GarandFan on January 18, 2013 at 11:21 AM

JellyToast on January 18, 2013 at 8:49 AM

One also wonders whether any of the “straw purchasers” whom the DoJ and ATF allowed to buy 40 or more AK47s and deliver them to the drug cartels have been prosecuted. There’s been no news of that; and one would think that our minions of the law would want to tout such a ‘victory’ in the “war on illegal guns”.
Or, perhaps they just “don’t have the time or the manpower” to prosecute people whom the ATF agents personally witnessed buying and delivering those guns.

Solaratov on January 18, 2013 at 11:22 AM

Sounds suspiciously like Obamacare – let’s pass it because we don’t have time to read it! We all know how well that has been working out!

It seems to me that if you have laws on the books that are not being enforced, you MAKE the time to enforce those laws before you use such a lame excuse to implement new ones. Is it just me, or should this be obvious to anyone smart enough to stand up and put their pants on in the morning?

rockncoal on January 18, 2013 at 11:36 AM

It seems to me that if you have laws on the books that are not being enforced, you MAKE the time to enforce those laws before you use such a lame excuse to implement new ones. Is it just me, or should this be obvious to anyone smart enough to stand up and put their pants on in the morning?

rockncoal on January 18, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Better yet – how about we eliminate the existing laws that can’t be enforced BEFORE we write any new ones?

dentarthurdent on January 18, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Where are our leaders?

rsherwd65 on January 18, 2013 at 8:25 AM

Building their reelection campaign war chests.

It’s all about dollars and perspective, not performance.

fogw on January 18, 2013 at 8:44 AM

If there is one thing that I have learned from the political trends from the past few years, it is that we cannot rely on political “leaders” to “lead” us. We have not had a decent “leader” since Reagan. WE THE PEOPLE HAVE TO LEAD. If we do a decent job, the politicians will toddle along behind us.

SubmarineDoc on January 18, 2013 at 12:04 PM

I’m not opposed to expanding background checks in principle, but what’s the point if no one follows up on the bad actors they expose in the existing system?

Biden stuff his foot, but Ed just shot his.

The ineffectiveness / unwillingness to enforce the current laws is no argument to give gubmint ever more power to expand background checks.

What is your point?

Sir Napsalot on January 18, 2013 at 12:28 PM

If there is one thing that I have learned from the political trends from the past few years, it is that we cannot rely on political “leaders” to “lead” us. We have not had a decent “leader” since Reagan. WE THE PEOPLE HAVE TO LEAD. If we do a decent job, the politicians will toddle along behind us.

SubmarineDoc on January 18, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Fine, Doc, I’m down for the cause. But you can’t have millions of people each with their own agenda and hope to deliver a uniform response to these many Obama outrages.

If someone with smarts and time on his or her hands wants to start laying out ad buys, a messaging campaign, ETC., I’d certainly be willing to donate at least as much as I did to the do-nothing RNC during the last election, and I’m pretty sure I’m not alone.

CaptFlood on January 18, 2013 at 12:39 PM

How many of the thousands who weren’t prosecuted for falsifying a Form 4473 were convicted felons who went on to commit crimes, some with firearms, they couldn’t have committed from the confines of a federal penitentiary?

novaculus on January 18, 2013 at 4:11 PM