Paul Ryan: We’re considering a short-term debt-ceiling extension

posted at 4:41 pm on January 17, 2013 by Allahpundit

Time to regroup?

“We’re discussing the possible virtue of a short-term debt limit extension so that we have a better chance of getting the Senate and the White House involved in discussions in March,” Ryan, R-Wis., revealed during an off-camera discussion with reporters tracking the retreat. “What we want to achieve at the end of the day is a two-way discussion between Democrats and Republicans and, out of that, hopefully, some progress being made on getting this deficit and debt under control – because we really do believe that our obligation is to help prevent a debt crisis from hitting this country.”

Ryan declined to detail the terms of a possible short-term extension, but said that given “the realities of divided government” challenging lawmakers, he hopes Republicans “achieve consensus on a plan to proceed so that we can make progress on controlling spending and deficits and debt.

“Our goal is to make sure that our members understand all of the deadlines that are coming, all the consequences of those deadlines that are coming, in order so that we can make a better-informed decision about how to move and how to proceed,” said Ryan, who was easily reelected to another term in the House.

Unless this is a simple ploy to buy time, because the caucus is so divided over what to demand as a price of raising the ceiling, I don’t see the point. The bit about approaching deadlines is clear enough — the debt-ceiling deadline could hit as early as next month, then the sequester takes effect in early March, then the current continuing resolution for federal spending expires in late March. Rather than have the big debt-ceiling fight in February and have to deal with the other crap a month later, they could postpone it for a few weeks and try to resolve all three issues together. But they could also resolve all three issues next month too. If they’re asking for extra time, it’s only because they’re not ready to formulate their “ask.” Or, maybe, Ryan’s thinking that by tying the debt ceiling to the continuing resolution, they can put extra pressure on Obama and Reid to finally finally finally propose a budget of their own. Byron York mentioned that as a possibility last week; one of the GOP’s biggest problems in the battle for public opinion on spending is finding a way to make gutless Democrats articulate their own unworkable plans for long-term solvency. It’s easy for Obama to reject Republican demands on spending as a condition for raising the debt ceiling as being “too draconian” or whatever but not so easy if the big GOP demand is simply asking Democrats to offer a plan of their own for sustainability. Case in point: Via Guy Benson, watch below as Jay Carney ducks a simple question at today’s briefing about how much higher Obama wants the debt ceiling raised. These people are deathly allergic to real accountability for their spending. Even their communications liaisons cease to function when they’re confronted on it.

In fact, read Keith Hennessey’s proposal for debt-ceiling negotiations at the Journal today. Not only is he okay with a short-term ceiling hike, he’s okay with multiple short-term ceiling hikes — provided that Obama is forced to ask for them repeatedly and that they pass the House with exclusively Democratic support, with House Republicans voting present. You’re not going to get major cuts during a second term of Hopenchange but there are things you can do to increase Democratic accountability and that’s one of them. I’d even double down on Hennessey’s idea by offering O a three-month debt ceiling hike any time he wants one provided that he makes the request publicly, in some sort of televised format, each and every time. If he and the left want to let the country burn, okay, but they have to let the public know who’s holding the matches.


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Paul Ryan 2016

Ted Cruz 2016 !!!

PappyD61 on January 17, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Eliminate it altogether.

It’s totally for the birds.

Just spend and spend and spend.

Obama will loot the land more than all the other presidents combined.

Yes, he can.

Forward, you dummies. May he ruin you all.

Schadenfreude on January 17, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Ted Cruz 2016 !!!

PappyD61 on January 17, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Sweet. I’d vote for that guy in a second. He needs to change parties.

Mr. Arrogant on January 17, 2013 at 4:45 PM

Go ahead, Paul Ryan. Blow up the GOP. If you do, don’t come whining to us about how your political career ended. You will have done it to yourself.

Try to use the brain we know you have.

platypus on January 17, 2013 at 4:46 PM

Another tin badge sheriff joining the outlaw gang? Maybe he can slip in some pork for his district in the sellout?

Don L on January 17, 2013 at 4:46 PM

So Obama gets his way…AGAIN

The GOP is completely worthless.

Norwegian on January 17, 2013 at 4:46 PM

platypus on January 17, 2013 at 4:46 PM

You assume that blowing up the GOP is a bad thing.

Schadenfreude on January 17, 2013 at 4:47 PM

Smells like a cave-in.

Pork-Chop on January 17, 2013 at 4:47 PM

Didn’t we do this already on tax increases for the rich?

Im getting dejavuish.

Oy.

FlaMurph on January 17, 2013 at 4:48 PM

The debt-ceiling extensions are always short term because the debt keeps rising, so saying it’s “short term” is meaningless. Mr. Ryan, you might as well get off the cot and buy a home in DC, you’ve moved in anyhow.

Logus on January 17, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Time to start drinking…

PatriotRider on January 17, 2013 at 4:49 PM

watch below as Jay Carney ducks a simple question at today’s briefing about how much higher Obama wants the debt ceiling raised.

Give Obama carte blanche. He hates the middle and lower classes and has already ruined the children’s future. Let him destroy all.

All the fools who brung/kept him, You deserve his Flukeing, royally. May you all be in eternal pain.

Schadenfreude on January 17, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Oh goodie , play X…..
PUNT

Lucano on January 17, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Paul Ryan: We’re considering a short-term debt-ceiling extension

Isn’t every extension short term – it only last until the next one !

Dumb statement.

jake-the-goose on January 17, 2013 at 4:52 PM

There are so many things wrong with this:

- Democratic accountability: Does the American public really care? Will the media bring it up.

- asking Democrats to offer a plan for sustainability: They haven’t proposed a budget in almost 4 years, and the president doesn’t even know what sustainability is.

- Short term increase: Kicking more cans down the road.

In fact, I’d double down on Hennessey’s idea by offering O a three-month debt ceiling hike any time he wants one provided that he makes the request publicly, in some sort of televised format, each time.

Uh…he has been on TV already talking about this and somehow he turns this into the republicans fault. What does it matter if he gets on TV.

tommer74 on January 17, 2013 at 4:52 PM

None of this is important. What we all really want to know is whether that Notre Dame football player’s girlfriend was real or not.

/s

trigon on January 17, 2013 at 4:53 PM

oHmigoodnesshurtingmysideslaughingsohardoverhere…

LIB

Midas on January 17, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Just one more dollar Martha! Just one more. The reels will come up better this time, I just know it. Just one more dollar.

Limerick on January 17, 2013 at 4:54 PM

We can’t afford any more credit cards, we’re maxed out! Enough already! No more stealing children and selling out their futures!

FloatingRock on January 17, 2013 at 4:54 PM

“We’re discussing the possible virtue of a short-term debt limit extension so that we have a better chance of getting the Senate and the White House involved in discussions in March,” Ryan, R-Wis.

Moron. Have you been in a friggin coma for the past 4 years?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 17, 2013 at 4:54 PM

So Obama gets his way…AGAIN

The GOP is completely worthless.

Norwegian on January 17, 2013 at 4:46 PM

The GOP are the Useless Idiots.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 17, 2013 at 4:55 PM

platypus on January 17, 2013 at 4:46 PM

You assume that blowing up the GOP is a bad thing.

Schadenfreude on January 17, 2013 at 4:47 PM

If they bring the TNT I’ll light the ****ing fuse.

MelonCollie on January 17, 2013 at 4:55 PM

You assume that blowing up the GOP is a bad thing.

Schadenfreude on January 17, 2013 at 4:47 PM

Actually, no. I think the infrastructure and name is worth saving ONLY if the tea party and conservatives and Ronulans can take it over. Otherwise, it doesn’t matter because if ryan is correct, 2014 will be a donkey party blowout.

The base is done with the bullsh!t. Really done. And if the Weeper and his boys don’t hear that bell ringing, well, too bad for them.

platypus on January 17, 2013 at 4:56 PM

The debt ceiling should be REDUCED! Our crooked government keeps telling us they’re going to “pay the bills”, well it’s about time they start! Instead they have been charging their profligate spending, the cost of their own corruption, to our children and grand children. Let’s MAKE them start paying the bill, for once, by cutting the debt ceiling to $15 trillion.

FloatingRock on January 17, 2013 at 4:58 PM

If he and the left want to let the country burn, okay, but they have to let the public know who’s holding the matches.

This is the same guy who blames Bush for Moochee’s hotflashes, right ?

burrata on January 17, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Maybe the Repubs should consult Subway. They apparently know how to shorten things …./

rsherwd65 on January 17, 2013 at 4:59 PM

I think the infrastructure and name is worth saving ONLY if the tea party and conservatives and Ronulans can take it over. Otherwise, it doesn’t matter because if ryan is correct, 2014 will be a donkey party blowout.

platypus on January 17, 2013 at 4:56 PM

Nail, head, sledgehammer.

If Rand can’t get the momentum going, or if the sore-arses in the rightwing mess things up, our last faint hope of solving anything at all in a political manner goes up in flames. Literally.

We already know we can’t save the USA as a whole politically, 2014 will determine if we can even stop SOME of the insanity. 2016 will not matter at all if we get screwed next year. Not even if Rand Paul was poised to win on a tidal wave of 3rd-party support. It would just be too late.

MelonCollie on January 17, 2013 at 4:59 PM

It’s time to cut up the credit card that enables fiscal profligacy and corruption and get our national financial house in order.

FloatingRock on January 17, 2013 at 4:59 PM

Eh, the GOP should just throw up their hands and agree to pass whatever Obama and Reid want in terms of the budget and debt ceiling – as long as the proposed budget balances in 5 years (without accounting gimmicks and cuts evenly distributed and entitlement reform up front).

Just demand that Democrats solve our problems and agree before hand to sign off on it.

gwelf on January 17, 2013 at 5:00 PM

Unless this is a simple ploy to buy time, because the caucus is so divided over what to demand as a price of raising the ceiling, I don’t see the point.

The point is… That the Republican Elitist Aristocracy has no more intention or desire to balance the budget or cut spending than the Marxist Democrats. It all Kabuki Theater.

SWalker on January 17, 2013 at 5:00 PM

I’m too old to see the crash, just old enough to experience the fall. I don’t envy you gents and ladies the impact. Biggest mess since that meteor took out the dinosaurs. Now it is the Rinosaurs turn.

Limerick on January 17, 2013 at 5:00 PM

1 month increments. No more than 100 billion per vote.

astonerii on January 17, 2013 at 5:02 PM

There are so many things wrong with this:

- Democratic accountability: Does the American public really care? Will the media bring it up.

- asking Democrats to offer a plan for sustainability: They haven’t proposed a budget in almost 4 years, and the president doesn’t even know what sustainability is.

- Short term increase: Kicking more cans down the road.

In fact, I’d double down on Hennessey’s idea by offering O a three-month debt ceiling hike any time he wants one provided that he makes the request publicly, in some sort of televised format, each time.

Uh…he has been on TV already talking about this and somehow he turns this into the republicans fault. What does it matter if he gets on TV.

tommer74 on January 17, 2013 at 4:52 PM

It probably doesn’t matter. I think that’s a big reason we’re all so frustrated right now. I alternate between being PO’d at the GOP for their lack of stones and totally understanding their hesitancy in forcing Obama’s hand on spending via either a government shutdown or blocking a debt ceiling hike.

The real problem isn’t Obama. It isn’t the Democrat Party. And it isn’t the cowardly GOP leadership. It’s the people. They’re the ones who reelected the folks who refused to pass a budget for 4 years, rammed socialized medicine down the nation’s throat, and racked up $6 trillion in debt in a single Presidential term. Hell, over 3/4 of working Americans just got slammed with a tax hike that most of them had no clue was coming. Yet I haven’t seen a single poll yet that shows Obama or his party taking a huge PR hit with voters.

Until that slight majority of the electorate gets its collective you-know-what together and learns the concepts of basic economics and math, we’re stuck with the government they’ve saddled us with(at least at the federal level). And it’s here where I sympathize with the House and Senate Republicans. Why take a stand against Obama and Reid now when most of the public would be either to ungrateful or dumb to even comprehend what the GOP is fighting for?

Doughboy on January 17, 2013 at 5:02 PM

1 month increments. No more than 100 billion per vote.

astonerii on January 17, 2013 at 5:02 PM

Only a fool would agree to that and only a corrupt politician would do it.

SWalker on January 17, 2013 at 5:03 PM

And it’s here where I sympathize with the House and Senate Republicans. Why take a stand against Obama and Reid now when most of the public would be either to ungrateful or dumb to even comprehend what the GOP is fighting for?

Doughboy on January 17, 2013 at 5:02 PM

Your sympathy, while understandable in a sane world, is wasted on this bunch of butt munchers. Martyrs for a noble cause, they ain’t.

I wouldn’t piss on ‘em if they were in flames.

platypus on January 17, 2013 at 5:07 PM

The base is done with the bullsh!t. Really done.

platypus on January 17, 2013 at 4:56 PM

Yep, and they can pimp Rubio and Ryan and Christie all they want. The results would be even uglier than 2012.

ddrintn on January 17, 2013 at 5:08 PM

Hey, he’s just doing what a good Roman citizen ought to do–adjusting Nero’s violin strings and opening the curtain so he can watch the nice fire while he plays….

Don L on January 17, 2013 at 5:08 PM

Aw c’mon people, Ryan’s just rolling out the new kinder friendlier GOP.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/16/viewed-out-touch-gop-gathers-forces-plot-rebirth/

Cut the young man some slack will ya?

Mr. Arrogant on January 17, 2013 at 5:09 PM

It probably doesn’t matter. I think that’s a big reason we’re all so frustrated right now. I alternate between being PO’d at the GOP for their lack of stones and totally understanding their hesitancy in forcing Obama’s hand on spending via either a government shutdown or blocking a debt ceiling hike.

The real problem isn’t Obama. It isn’t the Democrat Party. And it isn’t the cowardly GOP leadership. It’s the people. They’re the ones who reelected the folks who refused to pass a budget for 4 years, rammed socialized medicine down the nation’s throat, and racked up $6 trillion in debt in a single Presidential term. Hell, over 3/4 of working Americans just got slammed with a tax hike that most of them had no clue was coming. Yet I haven’t seen a single poll yet that shows Obama or his party taking a huge PR hit with voters.

Until that slight majority of the electorate gets its collective you-know-what together and learns the concepts of basic economics and math, we’re stuck with the government they’ve saddled us with(at least at the federal level). And it’s here where I sympathize with the House and Senate Republicans. Why take a stand against Obama and Reid now when most of the public would be either to ungrateful or dumb to even comprehend what the GOP is fighting for?

Doughboy on January 17, 2013 at 5:02 PM

+1

gwelf on January 17, 2013 at 5:10 PM

Why take a stand against Obama and Reid now when most of the public would be either to ungrateful or dumb to even comprehend what the GOP is fighting for?

Doughboy on January 17, 2013 at 5:02 PM

Did you say, GOP and the word “Fighting” in the same sentence?

Don L on January 17, 2013 at 5:11 PM

Your sympathy, while understandable in a sane world, is wasted on this bunch of butt munchers. Martyrs for a noble cause, they ain’t.

I wouldn’t piss on ‘em if they were in flames.

platypus on January 17, 2013 at 5:07 PM

They’re not martyrs. I would never dare give them that much credit. But it’s understandable why they would refuse to fall on their swords when there’s nothing to be gained from it. We’re at the point where every week it seems we’re hearing about new gimmicks(most of them illegal, BTW) by the Dems for keeping the gravy train running regardless of what the House Republicans do. Whether it’s trillion-dollar coins or debt ceiling hikes by executive fiat, we’re flirting with an imperial Presidency and unfortunately there don’t appear to be any negative repercussions for Obama when he does act(or hint at acting) like a defacto dictator. So the GOP has gotten be asking themselves, why even bother?

Doughboy on January 17, 2013 at 5:13 PM

Cut the young man some slack will ya?

Mr. Arrogant on January 17, 2013 at 5:09 PM

Not going to happen.

SWalker on January 17, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Only a fool would agree to that and only a corrupt politician would do it.

SWalker on January 17, 2013 at 5:03 PM

Keep the fight front and center, month after month after month after month… What is wrong with that?

astonerii on January 17, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Doughboy on January 17, 2013 at 5:13 PM

Agreed, with one exception. They (and all of us) have no idea if there is anything to be gained BECAUSE THEY’VE NEVER TRIED IT since Newt’s Nuke.

platypus on January 17, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Did you say, GOP and the word “Fighting” in the same sentence?

Don L on January 17, 2013 at 5:11 PM

He meant to write “flighting from”. Must have been autocorrect or something :)

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 17, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Only a fool would agree to that and only a corrupt politician would do it.

SWalker on January 17, 2013 at 5:03 PM

Keep the fight front and center, month after month after month after month… What is wrong with that?

astonerii on January 17, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Because raising the debt ceiling isn’t keeping the fight at all, it an outright surrender.

SWalker on January 17, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Aw c’mon people, Ryan’s just rolling out the new kinder friendlier GOP.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/16/viewed-out-touch-gop-gathers-forces-plot-rebirth/

Cut the young man some slack will ya?

Mr. Arrogant on January 17, 2013 at 5:09 PM

Oh, man. From that link:

Ford O’Connell, a Republican strategist, said the updated party message also must appeal to nontraditional supporters.
“If we look at polling, the Republican brand is in the toilet. Part of that is the ideas are not connecting with what we would call the mainstream of the moderate voters,” Mr. O’Connell said. “What they have to do is stop looking at the past. Ronald Reagan is dead. They have to start shopping for the future. I am the world’s biggest Reagan fan, but it is time to move on. You have to adjust to the times, and once you adjust, you have to set the path forward.”
Mr. O’Connell said the party could learn something from Sen. Marco Rubio, the Florida Republican who said after the election that when it comes to thorny issues, such as immigration, political rhetoric is as important as policy.
“It’s really hard to get people to listen to you on economic growth, on tax rates, on health care, if they think you want to deport their grandmother,” Mr. Rubio said.

ddrintn on January 17, 2013 at 5:17 PM

astonerii on January 17, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Yeah! Lets watch Notre Dame in the BCS bowl every day. That’ll show em.

Scroom it. The Reps just need to go home. Give it all to them. Let them run riot. All the Reps are doing is hanging out for their doggy treats.

Limerick on January 17, 2013 at 5:18 PM

Remember: HotAir Establishment shills pushed Paul Ryan in their blog entries, and mocked those who opposed him.

Dante on January 17, 2013 at 5:19 PM

Because raising the debt ceiling isn’t keeping the fight at all, it an outright surrender.

SWalker on January 17, 2013 at 5:16 PM

They AINT going to NOT raise the F&CKING thing. GOT IT? SO, since they AINT GOING TO NOT RAISE IT, this is the only alternative that might get the AMERICAN PUBLIC’S attention and maybe get them behind a cut in spending.

astonerii on January 17, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Remember: HotAir Establishment shills pushed Paul Ryan in their blog entries, and mocked those who opposed him.

Dante on January 17, 2013 at 5:19 PM

And now the full-court press is on for….MARCO!!!!!! Surprise, surprise.

ddrintn on January 17, 2013 at 5:21 PM

ddrintn on January 17, 2013 at 5:17 PM

He’s the world’s biggest Reagan fan, huh? Yeah, and I’m a multimillionaire rock star with a stable of fillies.

These people are going to be the death of all of us while they preen about like political peacocks.

platypus on January 17, 2013 at 5:22 PM

Thank you sir, can I have another?
Thank you sir, can I have another?
Thank you sir, can I have another?
Thank you sir, can I have another?

portlandon on January 17, 2013 at 5:22 PM

Because raising the debt ceiling isn’t keeping the fight at all, it an outright surrender.

SWalker on January 17, 2013 at 5:16 PM

They AINT going to NOT raise the F&CKING thing. GOT IT? SO, since they AINT GOING TO NOT RAISE IT, this is the only alternative that might get the AMERICAN PUBLIC’S attention and maybe get them behind a cut in spending.

astonerii on January 17, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Wow… You sure are the phucking Wily E Coyote Super Genius. Got it all figured out have ya. What part of the entire reason for raising the debt limit is that that they DO NOT HAVE TO CUT SPENDING is it that you are utterly and completely incapable of understanding?

SWalker on January 17, 2013 at 5:23 PM

Just keep giving the addict more heroin. That’ll cure him.

viking01 on January 17, 2013 at 5:24 PM

Ford O’Connell, a Republican strategist, said the updated party message also must appeal to nontraditional supporters.
“If we look at polling, the Republican brand is in the toilet. Part of that is the ideas are not connecting with what we would call the mainstream of the moderate voters,” Mr. O’Connell said.

Just continuing sh!tting all over the base like a bunch of Occupoopers. That’s the ticket!

Mr. O’Connell said the party could learn something from Sen. Marco Rubio, the Florida Republican who said after the election that when it comes to thorny issues, such as immigration, political rhetoric is as important as policy.

LOL. Replay the amnesty treason that killed the GOP in 2006 and 2008, made the GOP a minority or non-existent throughout the government and made the party a pariah … until the Tea Party came along and voted the GOP back some power to fight the America-hating Indonesian and his lunatic dem junta, after which the GOP immediately turned around and started attacking the Tea Party and colluding with Barky and the dems on every America-killing policy the third world retard could come up with, topped off with a nominee who couldn’t fight his way out of a wet paper bag and couldn’t attack barky on anything, even given the way America had been turned upside down in less than 4 years and our Constitution rendered a sad joke.

Friggin geniuses, these guys.

Let’s just have a national divorce and get started on a restoration of America without the nihilistic left and these cowardly turds in the GOP.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 17, 2013 at 5:24 PM

Do I get to say Establishment yet? Or will it still offend your fine sensibilities?

Bmore on January 17, 2013 at 5:25 PM

Or should that be you’re?

Bmore on January 17, 2013 at 5:25 PM

I’ll stick with your.

Bmore on January 17, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Or should that be you’re?

Bmore on January 17, 2013 at 5:25 PM

“Yore” works?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 17, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Hey on the bright side at least it isn’t Rubio saying this.

Bmore on January 17, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Do I get to say Establishment yet? Or will it still offend your fine sensibilities?

Bmore on January 17, 2013 at 5:25 PM

There is no such thing as “Establishment”. Just brain dead, mouth breathing hick racist tea party crazies who demand fiscal sanity.

portlandon on January 17, 2013 at 5:26 PM

The GOP will betray you

True_King on January 17, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Lol! ; )

Bmore on January 17, 2013 at 5:27 PM

The GOP will betray you

True_King on January 17, 2013 at 5:27 PM

“Will”? LOL

ddrintn on January 17, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Ryan, Rooobio, Boehner, McConnell….
What a group, someone please, just shoot me now and put my out of my pain. *sigh*

tencole on January 17, 2013 at 5:28 PM

Let’s just have a national divorce and get started on a restoration of America without the nihilistic left and these cowardly turds in the GOP.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 17, 2013 at 5:24 PM

Yup, it’s just about that time isn’t it. John “Bought and Paid for” Boehner and Paul “I must have drank the kool-aid” Ryan can run the Republican/Whig party right straight to hell.

SWalker on January 17, 2013 at 5:28 PM

Wow… You sure are the phucking Wily E Coyote Super Genius. Got it all figured out have ya. What part of the entire reason for raising the debt limit is that that they DO NOT HAVE TO CUT SPENDING is it that you are utterly and completely incapable of understanding?

SWalker on January 17, 2013 at 5:23 PM

I am all for not raising the ceiling retard, always have been if you pay attention to me. The whole idea of the freaking morons raising it just enough to get Obama past the election was a total freaking joke, RIGHT AFTER the 2010 elections.

THEY AINT GOING TO NOT RAISE IT, they have shown they will not. We do not have the power to stop them, and they aint going to get primaries out of office, they have a 90% return to office rate. So to me, keeping the 800 lb gorilla front and god damned center every single month is the next best thing.

I also would argue that every time they raise the ceiling, they make a big stink about it.

If I was popular and able to reach lots of Americans (Boehner!) I would have a child every day by my side and say, here is one of the people you are asking to pay for this increase in the debt limit, many others have not even been born yet. When have you stolen from these children enough? EVERY SINGLE DAY!

astonerii on January 17, 2013 at 5:29 PM

Do I get to say Establishment yet? Or will it still offend your fine sensibilities?

Bmore on January 17, 2013 at 5:25 PM

There is no such thing as “Establishment”. Just brain dead, mouth breathing hick racist tea party crazies who demand fiscal sanity.

portlandon on January 17, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Or, to take Jonah Goldberg’s view, it’s a dangerous myth to think that the GOPe is anything other than a bunch of stalwart conservatives who are looking out for all of us. Like Bill O’Reilly, I guess.

ddrintn on January 17, 2013 at 5:29 PM

That was a weird nap.

Bmore on January 17, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Everyone crying about the peeps, well, scroom the peeps. The one and only thing that will wake them up is when the floor meets their donk noses. It is all way past education time. Their is no lesson they have any intention of learning. They insist on the ride. We’ll let the ride make the point to them like nothing else can.

Limerick on January 17, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Hey on the bright side at least it isn’t Rubio saying this.

Bmore on January 17, 2013 at 5:26 PM

No, he isn’t…..he’s saying this….

“…All illegals who have committed a crime should be deported. Otherwise, the current illegals in this country should come forward and be fingerprinted with a background check for national security reasons, they must know English and must already be assimilated. If they pass these conditions, they get a non-permanent work visa which allows them to work in this country but does not allow them to qualify for any benefits like welfare, social security, etc.
Then after a significant period of time with no violations, they can then apply for a green card through our existing legal immigration system, getting in the back of the line like everyone else. Once they’ve received their green card, they must wait another 5 years before they can apply for citizenship….”

For some reason I’m not feeling any better.

tencole on January 17, 2013 at 5:31 PM

Do I get to say Establishment yet? Or will it still offend your fine sensibilities?

Bmore on January 17, 2013 at 5:25 PM

Go ahead. Apparently you are called a ‘purist’ if you don’t approve of Ryan voting for liberal ideals. Is this a turning point for Hotgas? I dunno but just because this guy shows a nice commercial, doesn’t mean he is more than that.

Anyway, I’ll back you up. Hotgas needs to be done with this establishment official.

LaughterJones on January 17, 2013 at 5:31 PM

It probably doesn’t matter. I think that’s a big reason we’re all so frustrated right now. I alternate between being PO’d at the GOP for their lack of stones and totally understanding their hesitancy in forcing Obama’s hand on spending via either a government shutdown or blocking a debt ceiling hike.

The real problem isn’t Obama. It isn’t the Democrat Party. And it isn’t the cowardly GOP leadership. It’s the people. They’re the ones who reelected the folks who refused to pass a budget for 4 years, rammed socialized medicine down the nation’s throat, and racked up $6 trillion in debt in a single Presidential term. Hell, over 3/4 of working Americans just got slammed with a tax hike that most of them had no clue was coming. Yet I haven’t seen a single poll yet that shows Obama or his party taking a huge PR hit with voters.

Until that slight majority of the electorate gets its collective you-know-what together and learns the concepts of basic economics and math, we’re stuck with the government they’ve saddled us with(at least at the federal level). And it’s here where I sympathize with the House and Senate Republicans. Why take a stand against Obama and Reid now when most of the public would be either to ungrateful or dumb to even comprehend what the GOP is fighting for?

Doughboy on January 17, 2013 at 5:02 PM

The problem is public education. Something the GOP had an opportunity to fix several times. The didn’t. Why? You tell me.

Until they fix that, everything else is just moot.

Couple liberal indoctrination with a culture that the GOP allowed to rot, then you know its over.

The GOP will betray you

True_King on January 17, 2013 at 5:31 PM

Agreed, with one exception. They (and all of us) have no idea if there is anything to be gained BECAUSE THEY’VE NEVER TRIED IT since Newt’s Nuke.

platypus on January 17, 2013 at 5:15 PM

This!

If the voting public is too out of touch with cold reality to care, and you know in advance that anything the GOP does is going to get spun negative by Obama and his quislings in the media anyway, you should still do the right thing.

The right thing doesn’t stop being right because you’re not going to get a positive bounce from it. Besides which, there is so much the GOP could be doing. They could buy air-time and run commercials showing what Obama’s profligate spending is doing to the debt burden, and what that debt burden will do not only to us, but to our children.

But they do nothing, or worse, come up with these half-pregnant, squish-headed ideas.

CaptFlood on January 17, 2013 at 5:31 PM

Just brain dead, mouth breathing hick racist tea party crazies who demand fiscal sanity.

portlandon on January 17, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Now that you mention it, it is pretty crazy to expect these whores, pimps, and thieves to behave sanely.

platypus on January 17, 2013 at 5:32 PM

Red states, anytime now.

nobar on January 17, 2013 at 5:33 PM

astonerii on January 17, 2013 at 5:29 PM

Pull your head out of your ass then. If they are absolutely going to refuse to not raise the debt ceiling, then they aren’t going to raise it in little tiny increments either. Asking them to raise it in small increments makes even less sense than demanding that they not raise it. Because it sends the signal that you are either to stupid to understand what is going on, or that you agree with what they are doing. There is no in between in their world. You either agree or you disagree with what they are doing, if you agree, it is never conditional, it all the way.

SWalker on January 17, 2013 at 5:33 PM

Or, to take Jonah Goldberg’s view, it’s a dangerous myth to think that the GOPe is anything other than a bunch of stalwart conservatives who are looking out for all of us. Like Bill O’Reilly, I guess.

ddrintn on January 17, 2013 at 5:29 PM

Barf.

The current GOP are nothing more than crony filled hypocrites who attack their base more than their political opponents.

It’s third party time.

portlandon on January 17, 2013 at 5:34 PM

It’s as simple as this– Ryan et al are scared sh-tless to shut it down

they can bluff all they want about a govt shutdown, but Barry and Reid are essentially stonewalling them daring them to do it

This is a sure sign of cold feet

Screw it, they are winning zero points in the press and public opinion anyway but voting for bailouts and CR’s and keeping govt from shutting down

Why not have the stones to shut it down and stand for something? Maybe it would actually work

Ryan is too scared, that’s why he votes for TARP and the UAW (GM) bailout and 2013 tax increase– he is too risk averse to LIB

thurman on January 17, 2013 at 5:34 PM

short-term debt limit extension

GOP punts on 2nd down from the opponents 18 yard line.

BobMbx on January 17, 2013 at 5:34 PM

Smells like a cave-in.

Pork-Chop on January 17, 2013 at 4:47 PM

It’s ALWAYS a cave-in.

Morrissey should be doing this story….He’s so good at telling us why now is not the time to fight.

Tim_CA on January 17, 2013 at 5:35 PM

“We’re discussing the possible virtue of a short-term debt limit extension so that we have a better chance of getting the Senate and the White House involved in discussions in March,” Ryan, R-Wis., revealed during an off-camera discussion with reporters tracking the retreat. “What we want to achieve at the end of the day is a two-way discussion between Democrats and Republicans and, out of that, hopefully, some progress being made on getting this deficit and debt under control – because we really do believe that our obligation is to help prevent a debt crisis from hitting this country.”

What a delusional statement.

Barack Ding Dong Obama has already ranted and screamed that this isn’t up for discussion.

Demonic Dingy Reid and Puerile Pelosi have made it clear that it isn’t up for discussion.

So take them at their word. Pass a budget, adjourn. Shut it down and let them scream and rant and cry and rave.

Paul Ryan does not care. He’s got his office, he’s got his armed guards, he’s going to posture and pander and act like an idiot, and then he’ll get farmed off to some lobbying firm.

He’s a liar. The whole g’damned GOP is a bunch of liars. And I am sick and tired of liars and manipulative pigs like Ryan blathering day in and day out about how they aren’t going to do a d*mn thing to stop the idiot Obama and the “progressive” left from bleeding us dry.

Call him out. It is time that we start screaming at these pigs like Ryan and pushing them out of office. Stupid ignorant moronic piece of DC pigsh*t.

northdallasthirty on January 17, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Is it wrong that I am starting to want to take a squirt on all their high polished wingtips?

Bmore on January 17, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Or should that be they’re?

Bmore on January 17, 2013 at 5:36 PM

No, I’ll stick with their.

Bmore on January 17, 2013 at 5:36 PM

Paul Ryan is ready to take on the economy.

portlandon on January 17, 2013 at 5:37 PM

Next election cycle Ryan can run against himself.

That’s presuming he votes against any election bans… which I won’t.

viking01 on January 17, 2013 at 5:37 PM

And if you haven’t been paying attention, this is why the liberals savagely attacked Sarah Palin.

She, and what she represents, is kryptonite to the liberal agenda.

BobMbx on January 17, 2013 at 5:38 PM

No, I’ll stick with their.

Bmore on January 17, 2013 at 5:36 PM

Meh, I never get it right. I’ll probably have to tell my doc that too when he asks about the ‘g’ word.

Limerick on January 17, 2013 at 5:38 PM

Truthfully, I’m pretty sick of all of em! I am starting to lean towards Blue Buddha.

Bmore on January 17, 2013 at 5:38 PM

I think the infrastructure and name is worth saving ONLY if the tea party and conservatives and Ronulans can take it over. Otherwise, it doesn’t matter because if ryan is correct, 2014 will be a donkey party blowout.

platypus on January 17, 2013 at 4:56 PM

Nail, head, sledgehammer.

If Rand can’t get the momentum going, or if the sore-arses in the rightwing mess things up, our last faint hope of solving anything at all in a political manner goes up in flames. Literally.

We already know we can’t save the USA as a whole politically, 2014 will determine if we can even stop SOME of the insanity. 2016 will not matter at all if we get screwed next year. Not even if Rand Paul was poised to win on a tidal wave of 3rd-party support. It would just be too late.

MelonCollie on January 17, 2013 at 4:59 PM

Personally I think you guys are mistaken that 2014 will be our ‘last chance’ on this, that or the other thing – 2012 was the ‘last chance’, guys.

Midas on January 17, 2013 at 5:38 PM

Lol! ; )

Bmore on January 17, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Is this a turning point for Hotgas?

LaughterJones on January 17, 2013 at 5:31 PM

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**Guffaw**

Tim_CA on January 17, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Unless this is a simple ploy to buy time, because the caucus is so divided over what to demand as a price of raising the ceiling, I don’t see the point.

This is the sort of tactic that it used when the other side is willing to give a little but not enough to suit you. So what you do is take what they are willing to give you now for a short term fix with the expectation that they will give a little more when the issue comes up a gain.

It might also be that Democrats are telling Republicans that they actually do want to reduce some spending. Maybe can’t give in all at once without taking a lot of political heat from their base. So the Republicans are giving them the chance to give some ground in small increments spread over time rather than the Democrats giving it up all at once which would look worse.

crosspatch on January 17, 2013 at 5:40 PM

I’m starting to think that there is no chance to give the ones needing it the boot. Our countrys citizens are sucking kinda bad lately.

Bmore on January 17, 2013 at 5:40 PM

Truthfully, I’m pretty sick of all of em! I am starting to lean towards Blue Buddha.

Bmore on January 17, 2013 at 5:38 PM

Wussy… SMOD or nothing… ;p

SWalker on January 17, 2013 at 5:40 PM

Personally I think you guys are mistaken that 2014 will be our ‘last chance’ on this, that or the other thing – 2012 was the ‘last chance’, guys.

Midas on January 17, 2013 at 5:38 PM

Uff. Read a little more carefully.

We already know we can’t save the USA as a whole politically, 2014 will determine if we can even stop SOME of the insanity

I know darn well that 2012 was our last chance as a whole nation, and we failed. I’m just saying that next year will determine whether any of the insanity at all gets stopped.

MelonCollie on January 17, 2013 at 5:41 PM

It might also be that Democrats are telling Republicans that they actually do want to reduce some spending. Maybe can’t give in all at once without taking a lot of political heat from their base. So the Republicans are giving them the chance to give some ground in small increments spread over time rather than the Democrats giving it up all at once which would look worse.

crosspatch on January 17, 2013 at 5:40 PM

It’s far more likely that you have taken to smoking crack than that the democrats have any intention or desire to cut spending in any way shape or form.

SWalker on January 17, 2013 at 5:43 PM

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