How many House Republicans voted yes on both the fiscal-cliff deal and the Sandy relief bill?

posted at 6:51 pm on January 16, 2013 by Allahpundit

I’m kicking myself for not thinking to count them up last night after the vote on the big Sandy pork package. Boehner’s taking all the heat for violating the Hastert Rule by bringing two high-profile bills to the floor that were opposed by a majority of his majority, but he couldn’t pass them himself. There’s some critical mass of centrist GOPers who are voting with the Democrats to push these things through. Who are they? Taegan Goddard counted heads:

Rodney Alexander (La.), Lou Bartletta (Pa.), Tom Cole (Okla.), Jeff Denham (Calif.), Charles Dent (Pa.), Mario Diaz-Balart (Fla.), Michael Fitzpatrick (Pa.), Rodney Frelinghuyse (N.J.), Jim Gerlach (Pa.), Chris Gibson (N.Y.), Michael Grimm (N.Y.), Richard Hanna (N.Y.), Jaime Herrera Beutler (Wash.), Peter King (N.Y.), Leonard Lance (N.J.), Frank LoBiondo (N.J.), Frank Lucas (Okla.), Tom Marino (Pa.), Buck McKeon (Calif.), Pat Meehan (Pa.), Tom Reed (N.Y.), David Reichert (Wash.), Harold Rogers (Ky.), Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (Fla.), Jon Runyon (N.J.), Jim Shimkus (Ill.), Chris Smith (N.J.), Don Young (Alaska), C.W. Bill Young (Fla).

That’s 29 Republicans willing to take a very tough vote not once but twice with the national spotlight on them. And if they’re willing to do it twice, why wouldn’t they do it again when Boehner inevitably asks them to make a deal with the Democrats to avoid hitting the debt ceiling? Pelosi only needs 18 if she can hold House Democrats together. And judging from how business is responding to the prospect of a “default,” those 29 will have cover from some prominent Republicans:

“I’m agreeing with the president — you should not be using the debt limit as a bargaining chip when it comes to how you run the country,” said David M. Cote, chief executive of Honeywell, and a Republican. “You don’t put the full faith and credit of the United States at risk.”

As a new warning was issued Tuesday about a possible credit downgrade, even the hard-line conservative group Americans for Prosperity, financed by the billionaire Koch family, urged Republicans not to use the debt limit as leverage for deep spending cuts.

Other conservatives argue that the GOP’s plan B, i.e. minimizing the risk of a default by forcing Treasury to pay America’s creditors first if the debt ceiling isn’t raised, won’t do much to avert a crisis:

But former advisers to Republican President George W. Bush say the idea is unworkable for a number of reasons, including the fact that tax revenue does not come in at the same rate that payments are due…

“Is the government really going to be in the position of withholding benefits, salaries, rent, contract payments etc., in order to pay off Treasury bondholders? That would be a political catastrophe,” [Bush economic advisor Tony] Fratto said…

Keith Hennessey, Bush’s National Economic Council director, said prioritization was a bad idea that could increase credit risk and said it would be irresponsible.

“Payment prioritization doesn’t stop payments, it just delays them. Then the aggrieved party sues the government, and probably wins, and it turns into a bloody mess,” Hennessey, now an economist at Stanford, said in a blog post this week.

Conn Carroll imagines a scenario where the House passes a bill tying a debt-ceiling hike to a balanced budget, whereupon Reid turns around and calls Boehner’s bluff by passing a clean debt-ceiling hike through the Senate — with Republican help. What do the 29 Republican House defectors do then? Anyone trust Boehner not to bring that bill to the floor, especially if it’s another midnight deadline situation?

Update: Hastert Rule, RIP:

“That rule is completely dead,” one Republican aide said. “The Democrats now effectively control the floor because nothing ‘big’ will come to the floor without knowing in advance that lots of Democrats support it. That gives the Democrats tremendous power in a body where the minority is not designed to have much power.”…

“Maybe you can do it once, maybe you can do it twice, but when you start making deals when you have to get Democrats to pass the legislation, you are not in power anymore,” [Dennis Hastert] said on Fox News Radio’s “Kilmeade & Friends.” “When you start passing stuff that your members are not in line with, all of a sudden your ability to lead is in jeopardy because somebody else is making decisions. The president is making decisions, Pelosi is making decisions, or they are making the decisions in the Senate.”


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We. Are. Screwed.

Sasha List on January 16, 2013 at 6:55 PM

And B0ner is Pathetic

Sasha List on January 16, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Boehner=Pelosi.

Blaise on January 16, 2013 at 6:56 PM

The Boehner Mutiny a’coming?

Resist We Much on January 16, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Lou Bartletta (Pa.) did a great job as the mayor of Hazeltoon fighting illegal immigration. He has sucked as a member of Congress.

bw222 on January 16, 2013 at 6:56 PM

No cajones anywhere except up Nanzi’s skirt

Sasha List on January 16, 2013 at 6:56 PM

tom cole, OK. and to think some idiots on this thread thinks he’s something more than just a sellout.

renalin on January 16, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Time for a big scoreboard / matrix website, with all 535 turds on it. With a column for each issue / bill. Know at a glance who’s voting for or against anything. COlor-code the voting positions for conservatives, green for a ‘good’ vote, ‘red’ for the Reds.
Put the chieftains at teh top of each section, or group them by committees, so it’s useful on such levels without re-ordering the data.
Then just key it in for quick reference going forward. At a glance see which RINO is amenable and which is a worthless sellout piece of specter.

rayra on January 16, 2013 at 6:58 PM

“That rule is completely dead,” one Republican aide said. “The Democrats now effectively control the floor because nothing ‘big’ will come to the floor without knowing in advance that lots of Democrats support it. That gives the Democrats tremendous power in a body where the minority is not designed to have much power.”…

“Maybe you can do it once, maybe you can do it twice, but when you start making deals when you have to get Democrats to pass the legislation, you are not in power anymore,” [Dennis Hastert] said on Fox News Radio’s “Kilmeade & Friends.” “When you start passing stuff that your members are not in line with, all of a sudden your ability to lead is in jeopardy because somebody else is making decisions. The president is making decisions, Pelosi is making decisions, or they are making the decisions in the Senate.

Boehner is now leading a coalition of Democrats. Just freaking great! Can it get any worse? Yeah, probably can.

And why and how did this piece of horse manure just win re-election as Speaker?

JellyToast on January 16, 2013 at 7:00 PM

Seriously

Big Commitee GOP Members
Big Commitee D Members
Medium Committee GOP Members
Medium Committee D Members
Small Committee GOP Members
Small Committee D Members

Or just do it by party but add two key fields to sort on, to quickly re-order the data.

rayra on January 16, 2013 at 7:02 PM

I’ve let the 2 reps in WA state
Jaime Herrera Beutler (Wash.)
Dave Reichert (Wash.)

that voted for the pork bill
know that I will do everything in my power financially to oust them in 2014. There not even in my district.

Mr. Arrogant on January 16, 2013 at 7:04 PM

That’s 29 Republicans willing to take a very tough vote not once but twice with the national spotlight on them. And if they’re willing to do it twice, why wouldn’t they do it again when Boehner inevitably asks them to make a deal with the Democrats…

I wonder how many of these guys would also be on board for gun control? If Pelosi needs 18, and I assume she will lose some Democrats on such a bill, but how many?

sharrukin on January 16, 2013 at 7:04 PM

“The Democrats now effectively control the floor because nothing ‘big’ will come to the floor without knowing in advance that lots of Democrats support it. That gives the Democrats tremendous power in a body where the minority is not designed to have much power.”…

What a hoot. The dems are NEVER out of power. They ain’t brilliant our side is just chickenshit in so many ways.

arnold ziffel on January 16, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Frelinghuysen is my congress-critter but I doubt I can get a better deal in New Jersey, where Chris Christie passes for a conservative. I’m also somewhat surprised – he might be a backbencher but so far, he used to be as conservative as his purplish district allowed.

Archivarix on January 16, 2013 at 7:08 PM

Between Boehner and Roberts, it’s game over.

p0s3r on January 16, 2013 at 7:11 PM

Boehner is now leading a coalition of Democrats. Just freaking great! Can it get any worse? Yeah, probably can.

And why and how did this piece of horse manure just win re-election as Speaker?

JellyToast on January 16, 2013 at 7:00 PM

No one else stepped up to do it.

kim roy on January 16, 2013 at 7:13 PM

Boehner=Pelosi.

Blaise on January 16, 2013 at 6:56 PM

?? Pelosi’s got balls.

sauldalinsky on January 16, 2013 at 7:14 PM

No one else stepped up to do it.

kim roy on January 16, 2013 at 7:13 PM

Agreed..This is a “bad” situation all around..Hang in there..:)

PS..Good to see you..:)

Dire Straits on January 16, 2013 at 7:16 PM

There’s some critical mass of centrist LEFTIST GOPers

FIFY.

“I’m agreeing with the president — you should not be using the debt limit as a bargaining chip when it comes to how you run the country,” said David M. Cote, chief executive of Honeywell, and a Republican. “You don’t put the full faith and credit of the United States at risk.”

This guy’s an idiot, a useful idiot, in particular.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 16, 2013 at 7:18 PM

I wonder how many of these guys would also be on board for gun control? If Pelosi needs 18, and I assume she will lose some Democrats on such a bill, but how many?

The GOP members from Pennsylvania may find gun control a bridge too far. PA is a heavy 2nd amendment state particularly in the “T” section of Central PA and the northern tier. There are also a lot of Dems out in Western PA that are deer hunters and support the NRA. The ones from southeastern PA are potentially more vulnerable, but even then… this is not an issue they want to be on the wrong side of. The NRA’s backing for incumbents is very helpful for pro-gun right pols holding seats in tough districts.

Jill1066 on January 16, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Lou Bartletta (Pa.) did a great job as the mayor of Hazeltoon fighting illegal immigration. He has sucked as a member of Congress.

bw222 on January 16, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Yep. I contributed money to him during that fight. He’s a real disappointment, now.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 16, 2013 at 7:20 PM

“I’m agreeing with the president — you should not be using the debt limit as a bargaining chip when it comes to how you run the country,” said David M. Cote, chief executive of Honeywell, and a Republican. “You don’t put the full faith and credit of the United States at risk.”

As a new warning was issued Tuesday about a possible credit downgrade, even the hard-line conservative group Americans for Prosperity, financed by the billionaire Koch family, urged Republicans not to use the debt limit as leverage for deep spending cuts.

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Between the RINO’s, CINO’s and the gutless – you have a majority of House Republicans who will be given air cover by the Big Business “Republicans” (also known as Cronies) to keep “kicking the can down the road” so there is no disruption to THEIR EARNINGS this quarter.

The new motto of the GOP1 Republican Party,

RUN AWAY !!!

PolAgnostic on January 16, 2013 at 7:20 PM

this is not an issue they want to be on the wrong side of. The NRA’s backing for incumbents is very helpful for pro-gun right pols holding seats in tough districts.

Jill1066 on January 16, 2013 at 7:19 PM

I hope so, but I recall similar optimism regarding the pro-life Democrats on Obamacare.

sharrukin on January 16, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Embarrassingly the current GOP doesn’t have the soldiers to win the tough battles so they are resigned to take the lazy way out and fight when the cards are stacked in their favor. Obama plays hard politics and our boys are lead by the crying wimp.

I have never been so embarrassed to be a republican as they stand for nothing.

Bensonofben on January 16, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Sasha List on January 16, 2013 at 6:55 PM

nuff said

cmsinaz on January 16, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Hannity is having Rove on tonight to put us all on the straight an narrow. Gawd, why do people still support FNC?

Mr. Arrogant on January 16, 2013 at 7:31 PM

…so there is that picture of Boner again…where his lips are presses together as if he might lose the pube that’s there!

KOOLAID2 on January 16, 2013 at 7:32 PM

?? Pelosi’s got balls.

sauldalinsky on January 16, 2013 at 7:14 PM

No she doesn’t.
B’ner’s got a vayjayjay

burrata on January 16, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Can the Republicans not force Boehner off the bench? If he’s going to sell out the only power the GOP has it makes little sense to leave him in that position.

Skywise on January 16, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Time for a change?

POLL: 63% OF GOP VOTERS THINK CONGRESSIONAL REPUBLICANS OUT OF TOUCH WITH BASE

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/16/Poll-63-of-GOP-Voters-Think-Republicans-in-Congress-Out-of-Touch

idesign on January 16, 2013 at 7:38 PM

No one else stepped up to do it.

kim roy on January 16, 2013 at 7:13 PM

What a sad commentary.

No one stepped up to fight for our freedom. No one stepped up to defend our constitution. Our rights. Our liberty. No one to stand against the corruption of the Democrats.

We watch our nation slip away because no one stepped up.

One day people somewhere will look back and say.. this was the time it was all lost. Because no one stepped up.

JellyToast on January 16, 2013 at 7:38 PM

well, this republican majority was nice while it lasted.

sesquipedalian on January 16, 2013 at 7:41 PM

yeah, they’re going to have leverage once the debt ceiling comes around

psych

cmsinaz on January 16, 2013 at 7:43 PM

And House Speaker John Boehner was more reserved in his reaction to the Obama plan.

“House committees of jurisdiction will review these recommendations,” Boehner’s spokesman, Michael Steel told Politico. “And if the Senate passes a bill, we will also take a look at that.”
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Graham-Rubio-Obama-guns/2013/01/16/id/471754

Good God.

Mr. Arrogant on January 16, 2013 at 7:44 PM

cmsinaz on January 16, 2013 at 7:43 PM

The sequestration vote at the end of March is the GOP’s best play..imho..:)

PS..Good to see you..:)

Dire Straits on January 16, 2013 at 7:48 PM

Why didn’t they just vote for it all in the beginning and avoid all the faux “hysterics”. Boehner wants to vote yes on Obama’s agenda anyway, they might as well just accelerate this country over the cliff already.

TulsAmerican on January 16, 2013 at 7:50 PM

I hate Nanzi Pelosi with all my soul, but dammit she knew how to run the House with a majority.

SouthernGent on January 16, 2013 at 7:53 PM

That’s 29 Republicans willing to take a very tough vote

Oh, those were tough votes? Two of the most cowardly votes in the history of government.

Buddahpundit on January 16, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Let’s just say it … Boehner is a member of the Pelosi caucus.

HondaV65 on January 16, 2013 at 7:54 PM

And House Speaker John Boehner was more reserved in his reaction to the Obama plan.

“House committees of jurisdiction will review these recommendations,” Boehner’s spokesman, Michael Steel told Politico. “And if the Senate passes a bill, we will also take a look at that.”
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Graham-Rubio-Obama-guns/2013/01/16/id/471754

Is there anything people can do to force Boehner to resign? to screw up his coalition of Democrats?

I know he just won re-election.

We need to force the GOP to make Boehner and Cantor resign. Draft somebody.

all the freaking TEA party people in this country and what good are we?

We’ve got a Republican Speaker of the House effectively leading and working with Democrats.

Is there nothing people could do?

JellyToast on January 16, 2013 at 7:56 PM

HondaV65 on January 16, 2013 at 7:54 PM

No let’s just say that YOU are a (should I say proud) a member of the Pelosi caucus..:)

Dire Straits on January 16, 2013 at 8:02 PM

Sixteen of the twenty-nine are from Pennsylvania (6), New Jersey (5), and New York (5). NJ and NY are to be expected, I suppose, but PA can do better.

What probably bugs me more is the inclusion of any House members from Kentucky and Oklahoma…

Ace ODale on January 16, 2013 at 8:02 PM

Is there nothing people could do?

JellyToast on January 16, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Insurrection on the capital steps?

Mr. Arrogant on January 16, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Federalism people, its the only answer.

http://www.redstate.com/users/derkrieger/

Charlemagne on January 16, 2013 at 8:11 PM

sesquipedalian on January 16, 2013

…you’re boring lately!…you ok?

KOOLAID2 on January 16, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Skywise: “Can the Republicans not force Boehner off the bench? If he’s going to sell out the only power the GOP has it makes little sense to leave him in that position”.

I think the # 29 is misleading. The real # is all the republicrats that voted for either the Fiscal noCliff or the Sandy Pork. & that’s why Boehner represents them. They’re all liberals pretending to be something else. I mean, do you really trust Paul Ryan who voted for the noCliff? Or Eric Cantor voting for Pork? They probably huddled in the back room, & picked straws who would vote for what. That’s about how much integrity the members of Congress have. All they have to do is promise Boehner some free drinks at the local bar, & he’ll vote either way.
Sorry to be so harsh, I’m at wits’ end.

Belle on January 16, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Where’s crosspatch or one of his ilk to complain about how we “TruCons” or “CINOs” are just too stupid to understand the brilliant strategy that Boehner crowd are using?

topdawg on January 16, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

Boehner is exercising power, not abdicating it.

Boehner is showing those who challenged him that he still holds the cards.

There is no “Hastert Rule” in the Senate. It’s a convention, that the Speaker is free to follow or not follow.

Boehner wanted this legislation passed, so he brought it to the floor and let it be passed Hastert rule be damned.

The Tea Party Tough Guys couldn’t do a thing about it, although they did get their “no” votes to protect them in their districts, which is all they really care about, anyway.

One can easily object to this approach, but let’s not mistake what’s going on here.

Mr. Arkadin on January 16, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Boehner is showing those who challenged him that he still holds the cards.

Mr. Arkadin on January 16, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Your math is waaaaaaaaaay off.

Resist We Much on January 16, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Crooks.

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 16, 2013 at 8:38 PM

These chuckleheads better get their act together. And soon.

scalleywag on January 16, 2013 at 8:43 PM

At least we know what Nanzi Pelosi meant when she said

A) that the democrats would regain the House

and

B) that she’d have the gavel

SouthernGent on January 16, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Hannity is having Rove on tonight to put us all on the straight an narrow. Gawd, why do people still support FNC?

Mr. Arrogant on January 16, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Hannity really drinks that Rove koolaid. You know Rove Clintons PR man.

Steveangell on January 16, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Hannity is having Rove on tonight to put us all on the straight an narrow. Gawd, why do people still support FNC?

Mr. Arrogant on January 16, 2013 at 7:31 PM

I stopped watching FNC over a year ago and am much happier.

bw222 on January 16, 2013 at 8:51 PM

You know Rove Clintons PR man.

Steveangell on January 16, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Are you stupid or something??..:)

PS..What movie did that quote come from??..:)

Dire Straits on January 16, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Rodney Alexander (La.), Lou Bartletta (Pa.), Tom Cole (Okla.), Jeff Denham (Calif.), Charles Dent (Pa.), Mario Diaz-Balart (Fla.), Michael Fitzpatrick (Pa.), Rodney Frelinghuyse (N.J.), Jim Gerlach (Pa.), Chris Gibson (N.Y.), Michael Grimm (N.Y.), Richard Hanna (N.Y.), Jaime Herrera Beutler (Wash.), Peter King (N.Y.), Leonard Lance (N.J.), Frank LoBiondo (N.J.), Frank Lucas (Okla.), Tom Marino (Pa.), Buck McKeon (Calif.), Pat Meehan (Pa.), Tom Reed (N.Y.), David Reichert (Wash.), Harold Rogers (Ky.), Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (Fla.), Jon Runyon (N.J.), Jim Shimkus (Ill.), Chris Smith (N.J.), Don Young (Alaska), C.W. Bill Young (Fla).

Bmore on January 16, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Butler is my Congress person. I campaigned for her. What a disappointment . I wrote her tonight. What’s worse, she’s in a safe district. I heard J.B. got to her. Trying to become a career politician. Not if I can help it.

Whiterock on January 16, 2013 at 9:41 PM

Beutler , darn iPad trying to auto correct on me.

Whiterock on January 16, 2013 at 9:43 PM

Okay, I’m going to try to get you all to understand this one last time……Listen up! Quit thinking in terms of Republican and Democrat. That is not the name of the game any longer.
Begin to think of these idiots as “PROGRESSIVES”, PERIOD. Once you comprehend that fact all these votes make more sense. Progressives come in both flavors and Boehner is at the head of the pack. Last year he goes golfing with Obama and magically he gives hime everything he wanted and then some, goes on T.V. and crys like he just had his arm twisted and had to go along. It was all for show. He wanted just what Obama wanted and that’s exactly what they accomplished. The voters be damned! Here it is a year later and we get an instant replay. Only this time, instead of the golf course, they meet behind closed doors and, once again, Boehner wants everybody to believe that he had no choice but to cave. It’s all a lie. He never intended to vote against Obama because he’s just as much a Progressive as Obama, Pelosi, Reid and all the rest of them. He’s just in the closet about it and hopes the voters don’t figure out the game he’s playing. If you make up a score card for these yahoos, watch how they vote and you’ll be able to identify the Progressives. They don’t care about saving the country and their voting records prove it. What do we do about it? I don’t have a clue unless we turn them all out of office at one time and try again. March on Washington anyone????

MONACO1121 on January 16, 2013 at 10:19 PM

Dick Morris sorry Rove.

Steveangell on January 16, 2013 at 10:22 PM

yeah, they’re going to have leverage once the debt ceiling comes around

psych

cmsinaz on January 16, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Someone told Boehner that 4 aces is the worst possible hand, and he believed them – or, at least he said he did. Then, he started blubbering.

Are you stupid or something??..:)

Dire Straits on January 16, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Is 0dumba a malignant narcissist? :)

Anti-Control on January 16, 2013 at 10:48 PM

MONACO1121 : Well said! Are you interested in a political career? There needs to emerge a leader to a 3rd party that will take an oath to uphold our Constitution & support “borders, language, culture”. Ronald Reagan: “A Nation without borders is not a nation”.

Belle on January 16, 2013 at 11:06 PM

How can you call yourself the majority leader when you can’t lead the majority?

bofh on January 17, 2013 at 12:01 AM

Well, at least we got the bi-partisan thingy right. It’s a good first step.

Kissmygrits on January 17, 2013 at 9:01 AM

Hey Belle,
Perhaps we should pay special attention to Cruz from Texas. He doesn’t seem to mind saying NO and meaning it. And he does it consistantly. Keep an eye on him. So far ao good~

MONACO1121 on January 17, 2013 at 1:06 PM

testing..:)

Dire Straits on January 17, 2013 at 5:23 PM