State Dep’t investigation: Assad used chemical weapons against Syrian rebels last month
posted at 7:36 pm on January 15, 2013 by Allahpundit
I blogged about this last month, remember? At the time, the only evidence was a few YouTube videos of people on gurneys, wheezing. Seemed hard to believe that Assad would shatter the taboo against using WMD for an attack so small-scale as to leave some doubt that WMDs were actually used. And yet here we are.
The slow news cycle is over:
The consul general’s report followed a series of interviews with activists, doctors, and defectors, in what the administration official said was one of the most comprehensive efforts the U.S. government has made to investigate claims by internal Syrian sources. The investigation included a meeting between the consulate staff and Mustafa al-Sheikh, a high-level defector who once was a major general in Assad’s army and key official in the Syrian military’s WMD program.
An Obama administration official who reviewed the document, which was classified at the “secret” level, detailed its contents to The Cable. “We can’t definitely say 100 percent, but Syrian contacts made a compelling case that Agent 15 was used in Homs on Dec. 23,” the official said…
Many believe that Assad is testing U.S. red lines…
“The use of chemical weapons is and would be totally unacceptable,” Obama said Dec. 3, directing his comments at Assad. “If you make the tragic mistake of using these weapons, there will be consequences and you will be held accountable.” That same day, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton added: “we are certainly planning to take action if that eventuality were to occur.”
Follow the link up top for a description of the victims’ symptoms. More than 100 people were allegedly stricken with respiratory problems; five of them died from choking on their own bronchial secretions. The day after it happened, the Syrian American Medical Society spoke to some of the victims and released a report identifying the likely culprit as, indeed, Agent 15:
The Gas effects started [a] few seconds after the area was shelled. Right after the shelling, patients described seeing white gas with odor, then they had severe shortness of breath, loss of vision, inability to speak, flushed face, dizziness, paralysis, nausea and vomiting, and increased respiratory secretions. Doctors who treated patients said that patients had pinpoint pupils and bronchospasm. Patients were treated in a field hospital. Gas masks were not available.
Agent 15 is designed to be incapacitating, not lethal a la sarin, but obviously if the respiratory reaction is dire enough it can be fatal. One question, then: Why? What does Assad gain by “testing U.S. red lines”? Under normal circumstances, defying the United States is wonderful for a fascist’s Middle Eastern street cred, but we’re two years and many thousands of Syrian dead past that. The Sunnis want him gone; the Islamist Sunnis really want him gone. Maybe he’s trying to bait the U.S. into attacking him in order to further solidify his support among Syria’s Alawites? But the Alawites are already entirely committed him, not least because they fear being ethnically cleansed by Sunni rebels if/when they’re overrun. (There are already anecdotal reports of open sectarian warfare at the village level.) The only way using chemical weapons “makes sense” to me is if Assad thought the end was near and wanted to go out in a blaze of insane nihilism by unleashing WMD all over the country. A limited, strategic attack to “test” the U.S. makes no sense, especially since it’s likely to cost him whatever support he still retains from his Russian patrons. Makes me wonder whether this was really a decision by Assad himself or if command and control in the Syrian army has deteriorated to the point that a local commander decided to use Agent 15 on his own initiative. Which, potentially, makes containing the country’s WMDs much more difficult.
The other big question is who in the administration leaked the results of the investigation to The Cable. This has huge consequences for U.S. foreign policy, needless to say; Obama will now be under intense pressure to enforce his “red lines.” Either some pro-interventionist official really screwed him here or this is some sort of deliberate leak to put international pressure on Russia to finally abandon Assad completely. Stay tuned. Exit question: Coming soon — dirty bombs?
Update: Danger Room doesn’t understand why Assad would use Agent 15 either:
Agent 15 is another name for 3-quinuclidinyl benzillate or BZ, a powerful hallucinogen that the American military tested out on its own soldiers during the Cold War. Its emergence on the Syrian battlefield would be nothing short of bizarre. While Syria is well-known to have a massive supply of chemical weapons, international observers haven’t ordinarily included BZ on that list. And while there have been rumors of BZ being used on a battlefield — including one that Iraqi insurgents were dosing themselves with the drug to pump up their aggressiveness — this would be the first confirmed case of BZ employed as a weapon.
Either he really is very gingerly testing U.S. “red lines,” which I don’t understand; or he’s running low on more lethal nerve agents, which no one has suggested; or maybe I’m right that this was a freelance decision by a military commander and Agent 15 was easier for him to get hold of than sarin or VX would be.
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Resist We Much on May 21, 2013 at 6:31 PM
Sounds like “Superman” is going to put Lois under the bus.
The ‘Rats are starting to distance themselves.
kingsjester on May 21, 2013 at 6:32 PM
Is this?
Washington Post: Lois Lerner is a registered Democrat, records show
Resist We Much on May 21, 2013 at 6:33 PM
I can’t wipe the smile off my face; with every new revelation we are one step closer to destroying the Obama myth and driving a stake into the heart of liberalism. Yes, they will try to avoid and deceive, however the truth will come out and they are done.
Tater Salad on May 21, 2013 at 6:34 PM
IRS worker used government credit card for years-long AMAZON shopping spree…Drudge Report
http://hotair.com/archives/2013/05/21/here-we-go-irs-official-lois-lerner-to-plead-the-fifth-at-congressional-hearing-tomorrow/
Zcat on May 21, 2013 at 6:34 PM
From what I know, I would have trouble believing this. It’s not always possible to know when you will be asked a question which would require an answer that might be self-incriminating. So, it doesn’t make sense that initial answers during an interview would somehow trigger a requirement to answer all the questions during an interview.
If I’m thinking about this incorrectly, then I would love to understand this better.
blink on May 21, 2013 at 6:34 PM
Sorry about the wrong link in earlier post/
IRS worker used government credit card for years-long AMAZON shopping spree…Drudge Report
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/irs-employee-amazon-shopping-spree-678435
Zcat on May 21, 2013 at 6:35 PM
good, roast her all day, assasinate her character
burserker on May 21, 2013 at 6:36 PM
elgeneralisimo has seen this play all ready…
Then, poof…
And finally some red shirts get the axe…
elgeneralisimo on May 21, 2013 at 6:36 PM
Something must up with the liberal press meeting at the WH, there are almost no stories over at HP on any of this.
Tater Salad on May 21, 2013 at 6:38 PM
She is not protecting herself alone by taking the Fifth.
I suspect there is a little collection being taken for her attorney’s fees as we speak. Maybe a nice annuity, too.
novaculus on May 21, 2013 at 6:38 PM
My view is that she is committing ‘character suicide’ with this, to coin a phrase.
Liam on May 21, 2013 at 6:41 PM
If only those pursued by the IRS could do the same.
SouthernGent on May 21, 2013 at 6:42 PM
cnn and msdnc won’t show it though, they have their squirrel called OK…..dang it…
cmsinaz on May 21, 2013 at 6:47 PM
Sorry Spud, don’t think it’s gonna happen. Your irrational optimism is heartening to a crusty old fart like me, but Barky is just too well defended.
I’ll settle for a zillion paper cuts that run out the clock.
Bruno Strozek on May 21, 2013 at 6:51 PM
Couldn’t the Congressmen simply ask her questions that wouldn’t require the 5th? Example: Was there ever a policy within the IRS to look closer at certain groups? Who set that policy?
Neither are a question of illegality on her behalf, therefore any taking of the 5th would put her in contempt of Congress.
Tater Salad on May 21, 2013 at 6:51 PM
So, essentially, everyone in this administration knows nothing about anything.
GarandFan on May 21, 2013 at 6:53 PM
Bruno, I understand your feelings, what I’m referring to is that little by little (a zillion paper cuts) the myth that Obama tried to build around is being destroyed and in doing so it is slowly but surely waking up people to whether they should trust their government.
Tater Salad on May 21, 2013 at 6:55 PM
Make her do it in public! NO DEALS!
It is important that the nation sees this. A great constitutional lesson on many levels.
Whitewolf7070 on May 21, 2013 at 6:57 PM
An employee of the People (a federal government employee) who refuses to answer questions under oath asked by elected Representatives of the People, about what how she did her job — a job paid for by the People — and about her role in the mistreatment of US citizens (the People) should not have a right to keep her job.
It should be grounds for immediate dismissal.
That said, if she is a government union member she may be protected.
farsighted on May 21, 2013 at 6:58 PM
Give her immunity and she’ll spill her guts.
Akzed on May 21, 2013 at 7:00 PM
If they feel the need to do this, they are afraid.
If they feel the need to also do this, they are very afraid.
Naturally Curly on May 21, 2013 at 7:09 PM
Courtesy of ChampionCapua over at Twitchy:
There once was hack, Lois Lerner
Who targeted those who would spurn her
With the soul of a Sith, she pleaded the 5th
If that chair was a stake, we could burn her
Anti-Control on May 21, 2013 at 7:13 PM
So we have at least one person taking the 5th at a Congressional hearing. We also have an assertion of executive privilege. What’s the over/under on Oval Office tapes? Deja vu all over again…
jclittlep on May 21, 2013 at 7:13 PM
I find it’s your pessimism which is irrational here – 0dumba’s House of Cards is collapsing at all corners, and even he knows he inevitable.
Anti-Control on May 21, 2013 at 7:17 PM
I’m still bugged by the fact that the IRS themselves are the ones who confessed to this issue in the first place. The timing of it was at the crescendo of the Benghazi investigation. I’m inclined to believe there is more damning information to come forth from Benghazi than from IRSGate. We’ll see.
Egfrow on May 21, 2013 at 7:24 PM
Someone here, on one of these threads, had suggested Issa at least consult with Mark Levin over all of this, since he’s been directly involved for a decade or two.
Well, Mark’s had a substitute on his radio show this week, and that got me thinking. Is this any Jewish holiday that I’m unaware of ?? That’s about the only reason I know of that Mark gets any subs.
Oooo, he’s not in OK, is he ? I just don’t know, for sure, but would LOVE it if the committee is consulting with him.
pambi on May 21, 2013 at 7:24 PM
Okay, I’m poking back in for a sec.
While making the spaghetti gravy and meatballs, it occurred to me how much longer will law-abiding Americans put up with it all. I’m not talking about revolution in the terms of Ayers and Dorn.
After all, those protests by the t p looked pretty damned mild today.
When will the tax payers simply not comply? When the ‘congress’ passes yet another amnesty? When the ‘congress’ doesn’t hold yet another agency responsible for being ‘beyond political, beyond partisianship?’ When the ‘congress’ gives a pass to the State dept. because, “well, we’re just idiots?”
Nevermind all of that “going after all the waste, fraud and abuse,” nevermind all of that–all a bunch of political hogwash. I’m wondering when the average citizen says “nope, not gonna file.”
jersey taxpayer on May 21, 2013 at 7:25 PM
[farsighted on May 21, 2013 at 6:58 PM]
Yup, which is why I said she should be discharged for violating her oath of office.
Dusty on May 21, 2013 at 7:25 PM
Cool, but the US is NOT a democracy.
Schadenfreude on May 21, 2013 at 7:28 PM
Sad day nonetheless when that is needed. I bet our resident Harvard Law Grad could write up a pithy response to atheists, something like:
WHEREAS, Christmas Day is an official Federal holiday of the government of the United States of America, and
WHEREAS, Christmas Day is an official State holiday of the government of the State of Texas, and
WHEREAS, all public schools are government-supported schools
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, any employee of any government-supported school may speak the words “Merry Christmas” at any time they so wish.
Nutstuyu on May 21, 2013 at 7:28 PM
So she is basically using the fifth amendment hide the reasons why she infringed on the 1st amendment.
Irony
The Notorious G.O.P on May 21, 2013 at 7:28 PM
And…it’s not a constitutional republic anymore either.
Nutstuyu on May 21, 2013 at 7:30 PM
So let me get this straight:
Amendment I – only when you say something I like
Amendment II – oh the horror, we’re not smelly colonists or something
Amendment III – eww, those icky soldiers; make love not war!
Amendment IV – yeah, I’ve got new rubber gloves and spiffy new blue uniform that says otherwise
Amendment V – OMG this one’s for me! You’ll never get me to squeal!!!
Nutstuyu on May 21, 2013 at 7:36 PM
Listen up Wingnutz, this is all laughably foolish, no one cares please move your racist selves on down the street; NO laws were broken and everyone agrees the leaks had to be sealed. The POTUS didn’t know until he read about this stuff in the paper and he was asleep thru much of the Benghazi “Crisis.”
I might add that Bush appointed pretty everyone in the current Federal Government so this is his or Cheney’s fault…
The POTUS is going focus, like a laser, on J-O-B-S…Gun Control and Immigration Reform and doing the People’s Work as he was so overwhelmingly re-elected to do.
This is nothing more than a hi-tech lynching and an extra-Constitutional means of overturning a duly constituted election….If you had ANY shame in your supposedly Christian(ist) souls you’d fall on your knees and ask for Obama and Michelle’s forgiveness….
Should some of you do that whilst on-line or on the phone, we’ll know and send a Christmas card….
JFKY on May 21, 2013 at 7:45 PM
Nothing will happen. Various weasels will take the 5th, various low to mid level bureaucrats will “retire” (e.g. go to work for Left wing / Dem think tanks or lobbying groups), various Dem politicians will express “sadness”, “sorrow”, and state that we all “need to get to the bottom of this”. MSNBC will report none of it, and most of the other networks will mostly ignore it. The low info voters don’t read so whatever the papers, blogs, or websites post will never be seen by them anyway.
Impact on 2014 elections…minimal. Impact on 2016 elections…zero.
SunSword on May 21, 2013 at 7:52 PM
Thank you little bright ray of sunshine…we’ll all just toddle off and be grumpy…
Again glad you weren’t around in 1777, or 1863 or 1942…Man what an advisor you would have made to MLK, “No one’s gonna care what happens on that March to Selma.” “No one’s gonna care about the Bus Boycott.”
Have you got your little bunker all prepared for the INEVITABLE collapse of the Republic?
JFKY on May 21, 2013 at 7:58 PM
I’m not so sure. Right now she’s got a pretty sweet gig enforcing Obamacare for her hero. If she takes the plea, she potentially gets Obama impeached, destroys her career, reputation and the Democrat party for the next 10-20 years and becomes a pariah to leftists everywhere. She’d have to assume she’d eventually get caught anyway to accept that deal, and I’m not sure she’s all that worried about that right now.
crrr6 on May 21, 2013 at 7:58 PM
First question:
“What is the content of your prayers?”
“On the advice of my attorney, I respectfully invoke my 5th amendment rights as the answer may incriminate me”
Illegal prayers. The end is nigh.
BobMbx on May 21, 2013 at 8:01 PM
Lay money she AIN’T gonna be “in charge of ObamaCare” too much longer…ask Jeremiah Wright about what happens to the inconvenient people…
And that’s why digging and patience are so useful…it’s a MARATHON people, if we can dig and find evidence of HER wrongdoing it doesn’t change her RIGHT to “invoke the Fifth” but it changes her odds of doing so. Once she sees the career is OVER and that now she’s looking 2-5 and NO pension, she might be more forthcoming.
JFKY on May 21, 2013 at 8:04 PM
The most
transparentcorrupt administration in history.Chris of Rights on May 21, 2013 at 8:11 PM
http://hotair.com/archives/2013/05/21/rand-paul-why-is-apple-being-hauled-before-congress-to-explain-its-perfectly-legal-tax-minimization-scheme/
Rand Paul: Why is Apple being hauled before Congress to explain its perfectly legal tax minimization scheme?
posted at 5:21 pm on May 21, 2013 by Allahpundit
cptacek on May 21, 2013 at 8:32 PM
I would love to have a bug in ValJar’s office.
cptacek on May 21, 2013 at 8:35 PM
Is this the IRS woman with the credit card?
It says here she’s a “Managenty and Program Analust at Internal Revenue Service”.
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/oseni-yetunde-a/34/183/571
claudius on May 21, 2013 at 8:40 PM
I am PRAYING for a Sarah Palin Facebook posting to make the HA pages….of the deliciously sweet bitter tears of Bluegill and others….
JFKY on May 21, 2013 at 8:41 PM
Holy cow…this might be a
TrollF#*kTard free record post.Or did I miss one ?
BigWyo on May 21, 2013 at 8:58 PM
the obama minions have no character…they are satans own…soul less, dark hearts and thirsting continuously for power
crosshugger on May 21, 2013 at 8:58 PM
Say, here’s something interesting..When’s the last time anyone heard a peep out of Debbie Downer??
She’s the head of the DNC…don’t you think she’d have some input on any of this???
BigWyo on May 21, 2013 at 9:01 PM
This is why I don’t want to be on a donor list in spite of Mac Baccus thinking every organization should keep one and disclose it on demand. A lot of the people in and around this administration keep a roll of their enemies and don’t see a thing wrong with using whatever means they can to make their enemies pay. When caught, they go all Sergent Shultz…they “know nothing,” saw nothing. They didn’t do it. In the words of Bart Simpson, “Nobody saw me do it. You can’t prove a thing.” Even worse, when not denying they did it, they admit they did something outrageous, even unconstitutional, but deny they did anything wrong
limmo on May 21, 2013 at 9:04 PM
I don’t know if this has been linked, but there’s more to come on Benghazi.
PJM EXCLUSIVE: Ex-Diplomats Report New Benghazi Whistleblowers with Info Devastating to Clinton and Obama
If this is true, and it probably is, the extreme lengths of the coverup make sense.
INC on May 21, 2013 at 9:27 PM
There was a thread earlier in the morning on this, but never hurts to repeat that info.
http://hotair.com/archives/2013/05/21/new-whistleblowers-coming-forward-on-benghazi/
can_con on May 21, 2013 at 9:35 PM
Thanks. I’ve been out of town, and missed it.
INC on May 21, 2013 at 9:35 PM
Here comes the test of Pravda, Izvestia and Tass. If they really care about the Constitution, their first amendment rights, and the country, they’ll be seeking the truth. If they’re in the pocket of Obama, they’ll just attack Republicans. We’ll know soon.
bflat879 on May 21, 2013 at 9:38 PM
Noon tamale EST, we shall see. Hope I am wrong about the ending.
arnold ziffel on May 21, 2013 at 9:43 PM
This also may be old news:
IRS’s Lerner Had History of Harassment, Inappropriate Religious Inquiries at FEC
INC on May 21, 2013 at 9:59 PM
So IRS doesn’t have to answer questions if they don’t want to.
But if they ask you a questions about check Number 302 written 10 years ago you got to cough up an answer, dredge up the records, search your files, revisit you tax returns, call the bank, yada yafa yada.
Then you don’t get an answer for 60 days while it goes into a Kafkaesque bureaucratic nightmare.
Then they torture you with another question and you have 11 days to respond in writing by certified mail yada yada yad.
Then you don’t hear from them for 90 days more and they ask you about check number 421 and bank statements from ancient history and they want it pronto.
SparkPlug on May 21, 2013 at 10:01 PM
Negative Inference, anyone?
Saltyron on May 21, 2013 at 10:07 PM
“Miss Lerner, are you a scorned woman?”
viking01 on May 21, 2013 at 10:26 PM
“Mizzzzz Lerner, Why can’t you simply pretend you “can’t recall” like Hitlery does whenever she is under oath?”
viking01 on May 21, 2013 at 10:28 PM
The irony of Lerner leaning on her constitutional right to plead the Fifth so as to not answer questions about her use of her office to pursue a vendetta against conservative groups is so choice…..
itsspideyman on May 21, 2013 at 10:49 PM
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