New GOP idea: How about offering to raise the debt ceiling for the rest of Obama’s term?

posted at 6:45 pm on January 15, 2013 by Allahpundit

What do you do when the opposition’s working night and day to convince voters that you’re an obstructionist, almost nihilistic group that’ll never compromise on anything? Raise the stakes and catch them off guard by proposing a much bigger compromise than they were expecting.

Just one problem with this offer: Would the public really view Obama as the unreasonable party to these negotiations if he turned around and said no?

With the administration’s debt ceiling deadline fast approaching, House Republican leaders are considering a four-year debt limit increase that would take the issue off the table for the rest of President Barack Obama’s presidency.

The plan would, however, come at no easy price for Obama, who pledged as recently as Monday morning not to negotiate with Republicans on a debt ceiling hike. Republicans would demand major tax and entitlement changes — the latter of which has been anathema to many Democrats — and they could also ask for movement on the sequester and an expiring continuing resolution that must be dealt with in the next three months.

The idea was one of many brought up over Sunday and Monday, as Speaker John A. Boehner of Ohio and his leadership team and staff held a strategy session in Warrenton, Va.

“We have an opportunity to inject years of certainty while doing some fundamental tax reform and entitlement reform,” said Rep. Steve Southerland II of Florida, the sophomore class leadership representative, who was at the meeting.

Unless the GOP’s prepared to not only hit the ceiling but hold out for weeks under immense economic and political pressure in hopes of extracting major cuts (which seems unlikely if even Republican senators are grumbling about another debt limit standoff), then a big PR ploy like this makes some sense. If you’re not going get anything meaningful from a confrontation, why not use it as an opportunity to make the left into the bad guy? Four-year debt-ceiling increase! Party of yes! New golden age of bipartisan cooperation! If the Democrats can come to the table, of course.

Let’s game this out, though. Boehner calls a press conference, walks out to the podium, and declares that the end of manufactured budget standoffs must end. The solution: A massive debt-ceiling hike to cover the rest of O’s presidency in exchange for reforms to Social Security and Medicare. Obama then calls a presser of his own, walks out, and says, “Sounds interesting! Name the cuts you have in mind.” So Boehner huddles with Cantor, Kevin McCarthy, and Paul Ryan, calls another presser, and lists all sorts of cuts and reforms to entitlements that’ll slash the deficit. Whereupon O calls his second presser and declares that he’d never, never abandon America’s seniors by agreeing to the sort of draconian cuts that the GOP so cruelly blah blah blah blah. What’s Boehner’s move then? The political damage has already been done at that point; Democrats will spend the next two years Mediscaring ahead of the midterms. Instead of being demagogued in the media as spiteful obstructionists who want America’s credit rating to implode, they’ll be demagogued as vicious misers looking to balance the budget on grandma’s back. What Boehner could do to prevent that is refuse to name any specific cuts publicly and insist that they be negotiated between the parties behind closed doors. But Obama won’t go for that; he won’t give away his Mediscaring opportunity, so he’ll simply turn around and say, “Get back to me when you’ve got something concrete in mind.” What then?

The only way the GOP has real leverage in negotiations against a Democratic president and Senate is if they have the public on their side, but the whole point of the last election is that the public’s even less serious about fiscal reality than the Democrats are. That’s been said many times in media old and new lately, but it can’t be said enough. When you poll people on their policy priorities, deficit reduction always does well, but once you drill down to bedrock stuff like entitlements voters start to abandon ship. What’s the GOP supposed to do in those circumstances? They can’t shut down the government to force spending cuts because the public hates shutdowns. They can’t offer a major compromise like a four-year debt-ceiling hike to encourage cuts because the public hates the sort of cuts that would be needed to really drive down the deficit. The only thing that could move public opinion is a sustained bully-pulpit educational campaign by the White House, but there’s zero reason to think Obama’s interested in that. As Philip Klein notes at the Examiner today, The One has never agreed to spending cuts unless a crisis has forced him to. So again: What do you want Republicans to do? Even if they went full kamikaze and won some cuts by enforcing a sustained federal shutdown, they’d face a huge risk of being swept away in a backlash in the midterms and those cuts being rescinded by the new Democratic House. The problem isn’t that the House leadership “has no balls” or whatever, it’s that they have no partner on fiscal responsibility. Not even in the electorate.


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Not just no but HELL NO!
Do any y’all got some extra spines to loan the Gee-oh-Peeee ‘leadership’?

annoyinglittletwerp on January 15, 2013 at 6:46 PM

L. I. B.

Purple Fury on January 15, 2013 at 6:47 PM

NO!!!!

gophergirl on January 15, 2013 at 6:49 PM

GOP: Find your balls, shutdown the government, stand on principle, and let the chips fall where they may. If the public rejects your principled stance and votes you out then we were screwed regardless.

Meat Fighter on January 15, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Oh wait.

4 year debt ceiling increase for full repeal of Obamacare.

gophergirl on January 15, 2013 at 6:51 PM

How do you game out a collapse of the economy and society soon after? Broom them all, every one.

Bishop on January 15, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Why doesn’t the Republican House just pass a bill to abrogating the Constitution and officially make Obama King (George III.2) and then see if the Senate also passes it and Obama signs it.

VorDaj on January 15, 2013 at 6:52 PM

Oh wait.

4 year debt ceiling increase for full repeal of Obamacare.

gophergirl on January 15, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Now here is something I could support!

watertown on January 15, 2013 at 6:52 PM

GOP: SOS

Stuck On Stupid.

ajacksonian on January 15, 2013 at 6:52 PM

The Spelunker of the House has enabled this situation to fester through his use of the Continuing Resolution these past two years. To think he will now change his fiscal prowess is like thinking Lucy won’t yank the ball away from Charlie…

Gohawgs on January 15, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Now here is something I could support!

watertown on January 15, 2013 at 6:52 PM

:)

If the GOP had any guts – they would propose that tomorrow.

gophergirl on January 15, 2013 at 6:54 PM

“Winning” is getting the Administration to make a request for $5+ trillion extension to the debt ceiling.
Numbers like that are hard to hide.

J_Crater on January 15, 2013 at 6:55 PM

The GOP is just pathetic.

Tasha on January 15, 2013 at 6:55 PM

So, at 11% approval, Boehner is afraid Congress will be hated more for shutting down the government? Is he trying to maintain this mountain of approval?

You’re hated for doing something. You’re hated for doing nothing. Since you cannot win, how about you instead decide, “What is the best thing for the country rather than myself?”

Maybe then he’d see that more debt will destroy us, ergo less debt is necessary.

Shut it down, John. Trust me that it won’t hurt Congress’ approval rating.

Wino on January 15, 2013 at 6:55 PM

No. Just no.

The Republican implosion continues.

If they are unprincipled and stupid enough to do this, they cannot be redeemed. Everyone who supports the measure must be primaried. They are useless enough as it is, they seem to be set on convincing us that it’s time for a third party solution.

obladioblada on January 15, 2013 at 6:56 PM

The Republican House has become as useless as a rooster that lays eggs.

VorDaj on January 15, 2013 at 6:58 PM

test

SWalker on January 15, 2013 at 6:58 PM

So let me get this straight. We have two choices:
1. Do the right thing, shut everything down, get swept out in 2014, and then Obama will get exactly what he wants.
2. Do exactly what Obama wants now.

Number one is the far superior choice. At least you get to have principles and a spine.

Darin on January 15, 2013 at 6:58 PM

How about this :
Spkr B’ner comes to a mike in a presser and says
” Me and my party have tried everything to help the President move in the right direction for the economic security and prosperity of our country. He seems to have different plans and priorities. Since Democrats have the Congress as well as the WH, Republicans will no longer waste time in suggesting to the President how this economy can be saved, and the President is now free to move forward with his agenda, without us. We pray for our country and our fellow Americans. Elections have consequences and I hope my country can survive this President.”

burrata on January 15, 2013 at 6:59 PM

Remember the gop saying they have tge leverage for debt ceiling

Good times

Squishy gop are idiots

Let it burn….they are going to blame the gop no matter the circumstances

Man up and stand your ground

cmsinaz on January 15, 2013 at 6:59 PM

Pass a balanced budget amendment with language ending debt ceilings (they wouldn’t be necessary at that point), then go on vacation.

Let Harry Reid have fun explaining why we should continue run deficits AND have the debt ceiling in place.

Nessuno on January 15, 2013 at 7:00 PM

The excessive pessimism is overwrought. Elections are not for another 2 years – a lifetime.

The GOP held the House, notwithstanding presidential coattails in the Senate races.

Obama won 51-47, it was not a landslide. Screw the MSM and do what is right.

This constant downer by AP and other commentators is overdone and unwarranted.

Leaders shape public opinion, not react to it. People should be ringing the phones off the hook on Capitol Hill, livid about this spending that will destroy us.

matthew8787 on January 15, 2013 at 7:01 PM

NO! Gah, how do you get outsmarted by an imbecile too dumb to speak without a teleprompter and spends most of his time playing golf? Drunky Crier is the most inept Speaker in the history of the nation.

sauldalinsky on January 15, 2013 at 7:02 PM

So, the GOP is going to go out and offer Obama a, what?, $5 trillion or $6 trillion increase in the debt ceiling?

Sadly, I don’t even think that will shock people. As we already know, 53% of Democrats are prepared to pass on trillions of dollars of debt to their own children and grandchildren rather than make ANY changes to Social Security or Medicare.

Resist We Much on January 15, 2013 at 7:05 PM

House Republican leaders are considering a four-year debt limit increase that would take the issue off the table for the rest of President Barack Obama’s presidency

f*ck me.

Next Headline By Ed Morrissey:

The REAL fight is in Four Years!!111!

Tim_CA on January 15, 2013 at 7:06 PM

Why doesn’t the Republican House just pass a bill to abrogating the Constitution and officially make Obama King (George III.2) and then see if the Senate also passes it and Obama signs it.

VorDaj on January 15, 2013 at 6:52 PM

Because that would not be “conservative”. [*sarc* for the preceeding in case that was needed] An Institutional Republican will do it piecemeal over time so that they can’t be accused of rushing into things.

The Institutional Republicans will not fight Obama on anything. They are going to yield on Obama declaring the right to abrogate the 2nd Amendment by decree tomorrow. The only proper response to it would be immediate impeachment. Going to court takes years [leaving Obama running things by decree] and in the end the Supreme Court is owned by him; courtesy of Chief Justice Roberts. Passing a statute repealing the Executive Orders would not be anything but pretend, because Reid will not allow it to come up in the Senate. Reid will bar it from ever coming up. Same thing will happen for impeachment, but if ANY Republicans or Conservatives [the two are very different] are willing to make a larger fight for the existence of a Constitutional Republic outside the legislative process, that is the least worst option remaining.

Will they do it? Not in this universe.

Will they yield on the debt ceiling saying the real fight is the Continuing Resolution that has replaced the constitutional budgeting process? Absolutely.

Will they fight on the Continuing Resolution? I can’t insert an appropriate laugh track here, but wish I could.

Am I glad that on January 2, two generations of my family changed registration and we are no longer connected to those Vichy-ite lop-eared duds? You have no idea.

Subotai Bahadur

Subotai Bahadur on January 15, 2013 at 7:07 PM

G O P
G F Y

KOOLAID2 on January 15, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Is it safe to say that it is time for the tea party to fraction off and rebrand as the new conservative party.

can_con on January 15, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Bo(eh)ned again!

Teh SCOAMF’s response – “You get nothing. I get that for free.”

Steve Eggleston on January 15, 2013 at 7:08 PM

Kentucky Republican Sen. Rand Paul is pushing legislation that would ban federal spending on anything but interest payments on the national debt, Social Security checks, and military salaries.

Rather than march the country toward a government shutdown — and spook markets with possible default — Paul argued that Republicans should pass a bill that would force the government to prioritize payments to bondholders.

“We have tax receipts to pay for about 70 percent of the government and we’re running deficits of about 30 percent, so what I would say is pay for the 70 percent we would all keep going and stop paying the other 30 percent until we come to an agreement,” Paul said.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/debt-ceiling-rand-paul-obama-spending-2013-1#ixzz2I5m37eay

The House needs to pass something, instead of playing defense constantly. Which defense is something they can’t do anyway. Try Offense Boehner!!!

bluefox on January 15, 2013 at 7:08 PM

The GOP is just pathetic.

Tasha on January 15, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Pathetic would be a step up for these neanderthals.

TxAnn56 on January 15, 2013 at 7:09 PM

Yeah, I am guessing this ain’t the hill to die on either?

Second verse, same as the first.

sharrukin on January 15, 2013 at 7:09 PM

Here’s a thought. LET THE WHOLE DAMNED THING CRASH AND BURN!

Then we’ll find out what’s REALLY important.

GarandFan on January 15, 2013 at 7:09 PM

GOP to base since 2011:

“We’re going to use the debt ceiling to get real spe..er, we’ll wait until the FY2013 appropriations to get real spe…er, we’ll wait until the fiscal cliff to get real spe…er, we’ll wait until the debt ceiling to get real spe…er, we’ll wait until…”(you get the idea).

Steve Eggleston on January 15, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Not a bad idea. Give Obama four years worth of debt and see how quickly he burns through it.

If the GOP isn’t willing to explain conservatism and fight for it (and clearly they’re not) then my next preference is for them to get the f–k out of the way and let the Democrats demonstrate Fascism in real time.

SAMinVA on January 15, 2013 at 7:11 PM

Is it safe to say that it is time for the tea party to fraction off and rebrand as the new conservative party.

can_con on January 15, 2013 at 7:07 PM

First the Tea Party would need to become an actual party.

Steve Eggleston on January 15, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Steve Eggleston explains why the GOP will be running for reelection without my vote in 2014. Stupid me, but 25 years of this $#!+ is enough.

GOP to base since 2011:

“We’re going to use the debt ceiling to get real spe..er, we’ll wait until the FY2013 appropriations to get real spe…er, we’ll wait until the fiscal cliff to get real spe…er, we’ll wait until the debt ceiling to get real spe…er, we’ll wait until…”(you get the idea).

SAMinVA on January 15, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Will they fight on the Continuing Resolution? I can’t insert an appropriate laugh track here, but wish I could.
Subotai Bahadur

Subotai Bahadur on January 15, 2013 at 7:07 PM

I don’t think the word “fight” is in their vocabulary. Maybe we should send them white flag pins!

bluefox on January 15, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Ding ding ding Steve @7:10

cmsinaz on January 15, 2013 at 7:15 PM

No win proposition.

Jim DeMint (and HotAir, and a few others) have it right and the GOP should take their lead: The emphasis must be on the message and (re)educating the populous.

IMHO, snarky teasing & shrewd marketing will do the trick.

Set me straight here – IF Conservatives ever win, will we really need such demagoguery coming from the top?

Quetzal on January 15, 2013 at 7:16 PM

The GOPe and the GOPe-media will betray you!

The problem isn’t that the House leadership “has no balls” or whatever, it’s that they have no partner on fiscal responsibility. Not even in the electorate.

The first stage is Denial

And it applies to the enablers (RINO’s, AP, National Journal, etc) as well as the Spenders (SCOAMF, liberals, RINO’s, etc)

The Federal Reserve is currently BUYING all UST’s 10 YR and longer in duration to keep debt servicing costs from becoming hyper-inflationary.

The Federal Reserve is ALSO buying effectively all Mortgage Backed Securities as a means of preventing another 30% leg DOWN in housing prices.

Take the Federal Reserve’s QE off the table (and they are now talking about doing just that) and this whole facade crumbles overnight.

The correct answer is what is called Tough Love.

and that requires an INTERVENTION

You DO NOT get to vote ‘present’ at an intervention – that path means you will keep enabling the problem.

You vote “NO!” on raising the debt ceiling.

You vote “NO!” on a continuing resolution.

You MAKE the SCOAMF, the liberals, the MSM, RINO’s, etc FACE THE PROBLEM NOW !!!
Every additional day you put it off, the problem is going to be exponentially worse.

Seriously, AP, have you never been involved first hand in an intervention?

Or are you just too comfortable with the Denial?

Here’s a worthwhile QOTD topic by the way … especially since the GOPe-media is ENABLING the GOPe being out of touch.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/january_2013/63_of_gop_voters_think_republicans_in_congress_out_of_touch

PolAgnostic on January 15, 2013 at 7:16 PM

So again: What do you want Republicans to do? Even if they went full kamikaze and won some cuts by enforcing a sustained federal shutdown, they’d face a huge risk of being swept away in a backlash in the midterms and those cuts being rescinded by the new Democratic House. The problem isn’t that the House leadership “has no balls” or whatever, it’s that they have no partner on fiscal responsibility. Not even in the electorate.

They’re going to be swept away in the midterms anyway. They can choose to be either the New Whigs or the 39% who are there to take full advantage when the electorate realizes we’ve become Zimbabwe North.

Steve Eggleston on January 15, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Maybe this will wake people up now. Or maybe tomorrows gun grab. Or wait, maybe obamacare. Oh well….

GhoulAid on January 15, 2013 at 7:18 PM

Results for #debtceiling

https://twitter.com/search/%23debtceiling

canopfor on January 15, 2013 at 7:20 PM

Its simplistic in its action. Let the one own it, then watch the sheeple face entitlement cuts at the end of his term.

Let him own all of it, ashes, embers and dust.

RAGIN CAJUN on January 15, 2013 at 7:20 PM

you baggers are creating too much of a fuss. renowed posters like crosspatch, bluegill and other romneyites, just love them some elitist republicans.

gotta get those precious inedependents on our side. oh, and the hispanics too.

renalin on January 15, 2013 at 7:21 PM

By 2016, the feds will owe 22 trillion dollars, unemployment will still be in the 8-9% range, 70million on food stamps and flatlined gdp growth.

Arranging the deck chairs…..

can_con on January 15, 2013 at 7:22 PM

Next Headline By Ed Morrissey:

The REAL fight is in Four Years!!111!

Tim_CA on January 15, 2013 at 7:06 PM

I hear the terrain then will be better since there will be a much bigger mountain there to fight on.

Dusty on January 15, 2013 at 7:23 PM

How about offering to raise the debt ceiling for the rest of Obama’s term?

Raise it to what ?
500 Trillion ?
100 Bazillion?
1000 Gazillion ?
Do they even have a number in mind ?
And what is the guarantee that Hussein will limit himself to that number ?

burrata on January 15, 2013 at 7:23 PM

President Obama has said that the Republicans are trying to hold raising the debt ceiling as a hostage deal. He also said that the government might have to withhold veterans’ and social security checks.

Okay, I’m a retired military officer and am now on social security. I can understand that my benefits might be curtailed in the event of a debt crisis. So I’ll accept my obligation, if:

The President and his staff accept no pay during the crisis.

All of Congress and the Senate accept no pay during the crisis.

All GS-12′s and above accept no pay during the crisis.

Does anybody care to bet me that my conditions will be accepted? I say they won’t.

Special Forces Grunt on January 15, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Heritage Foundation ‏@Heritage

#DebtCeiling Politics: pic.twitter.com/3o6exK2U

https://twitter.com/Heritage/status/291303973430894592/photo/1
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canopfor on January 15, 2013 at 7:24 PM

The problem isn’t that the House leadership “has no balls” or whatever, it’s that they have no partner on fiscal responsibility. Not even in the electorate.

This is an excellent summary of how @#$%ed we truly are as a nation at this point.

Obviously, Obama’s game is to try to win the House in 2014, ending his term with a two-year orgy of unfettered socialist “transformation”.

Shutting down the government would be a gift to Obama, and as good as it might feel, we would regret it for a long time afterward.

LagunaDave on January 15, 2013 at 7:27 PM

canopfor on January 15, 2013 at 7:24 PM

Exactly…It’s absurd.

(I’ll hold my breath ’til cnn runs with it)

Tim_CA on January 15, 2013 at 7:29 PM

So let me get this straight. We have two choices:
1. Do the right thing, shut everything down, get swept out in 2014, and then Obama will get exactly what he wants.
2. Do exactly what Obama wants now.

Number one is the far superior choice. At least you get to have principles and a spine.

Darin on January 15, 2013 at 6:58 PM

What makes you think GOP is going to get swept in 2014? Most likely not given how many paychecks have been altered at this point and how the entire economy is going to be affected by that.

riddick on January 15, 2013 at 7:30 PM

$50 BILLION Sandy bill passes Congress. 48 Pubs voted for it. We are so screwed.

Mr. Arrogant on January 15, 2013 at 7:31 PM

This nation is not willing to live within its fiscal means, and the Republican party cannot be trusted to stand on principle.

This nation is doomed to collapse. It has only an idiotic electorate to blame.

KevinB on January 15, 2013 at 7:33 PM

So again: What do you want Republicans to do? Even if they went full kamikaze and won some cuts by enforcing a sustained federal shutdown, they’d face a huge risk of being swept away in a backlash in the midterms and those cuts being rescinded by the new Democratic House. The problem isn’t that the House leadership “has no balls” or whatever, it’s that they have no partner on fiscal responsibility. Not even in the electorate.

The GOP has only two options. Do everything they can to force austerity measures on this country. Or let it burn.

Doughboy on January 15, 2013 at 7:36 PM

Stupid Party.

SHUT IT DOWN. 33% cut from the last passed budget, across the board. Make the Senate obstructionists CHOKE on their malfeasance. An END to ‘baseline budgeting’ shenanigans.

rayra on January 15, 2013 at 7:37 PM

Screw it Boehner…just go cry and surrender now. We all know you will. So does Dear Leader. Mr. Speaker…doesn’t it bother you that Obumba outplays you all the time. You are Charlie Brown and Obumba is Lucy.

Please resign and get someone with balls in the job.

Dingbat63 on January 15, 2013 at 7:39 PM

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US House approves $50.7 billion measure for Superstorm Sandy victims; vote sends measure to Senate – @AP

2 mins ago from hosted.ap.org by editor
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canopfor on January 15, 2013 at 7:39 PM

The Lubbock GOP is getting together next Tuesday to have all those interested (that live in TX 19), sign a letter to Randy Neugebauer. That letter is going to inform him that, we his constituents, want him to vote NO on ANY debate-ceiling raise! I’m signing my name in big letters-just like John Hancock did the DoI.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 15, 2013 at 7:39 PM

The public has decided, over the course of seven- plus decades, that it likes entitlements, and does not want them rescinded. In the 1980s, the public also decided that it likes tax cuts.

The only way to change their mind is to bring it down — do everything possible to inflate the currency. Doing so will cause immense hardship, such as causing the dollar to lose its reserve status. You collapse a defined -benefit system by keeping the benefits the same, while diluting the means by which they are paid. Inflate everything, while keeping COLAs down, so the entitlement becomes more and more worthless, while all the while saying that benefits aren’t being cut.

It’s going to take pain to stop the entitlement mentality.

Revenant on January 15, 2013 at 7:40 PM

well we saw the vote, repubs pushed the pork laden Sandy bill across the line

Hey Dante!! I take it back!!!

Hey Ed, give us the heads up on the next hill to fight for, the shore is in view you know

DanMan on January 15, 2013 at 7:41 PM

The only way the GOP has real leverage in negotiations against a Democratic president and Senate is if they have the public on their side, but the whole point of the last election is that the public’s even less serious about fiscal reality than the Democrats are.

The public might be a tiny more serious about those fiscal realities if the GOP bothered to talk about them. Look at the Sandy relief bill. A perfect opportunity to point out how absolutely absurd the appropriations process is, and what do they decide to do? Pass the pork, too. It’s insanity.

changer1701 on January 15, 2013 at 7:42 PM

How about getting Obama’s budget before raising the Debt ceiling. Let’s see what his budget and projections are before we decide on an amount.

Everyone knows Barry likes to foment crises. How would you like it if the GOP went ahead with raising the debt ceiling to cover four years and right after raising it and the President signed it, he submitted a budget that would show the debt ceiling covers only two and a half years?

The problem with all these these grand strategies and tactics is that, like taxes, the opposition will immediately seeks ways to avoid them and find loopholes to make these strategies and tactics useless.

We are not dealing with people who are honorable.

Dusty on January 15, 2013 at 7:43 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on January 15, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Neugebauer, Olsen and Hensarling. The tough talking budget posse from Texas. They are cowards.

DanMan on January 15, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Republicans are being called ” obstructionists” by the kneepads media.
Republicans should just voluntarily get out of the way.
They won’t be called obstructionists any more and Hussein will be responsible for everything he does. Let the islamarxist answer for his own actions for the first time in his life.
Infact Hussein has never been held accountable for anything ever and that is why he wants to hide behind Republicans, while demonizing them at the same time.
Stop shielding the moozie B’ner !!

burrata on January 15, 2013 at 7:48 PM

DanMan on January 15, 2013 at 7:44 PM

no, no, no. they’re just not gonna pitch their tent and fight yet. since the romney death star went unused, tht weapon of mass destruction is being held in reserve.

so lay down. spread your legs. close your eyes. we are so going to kick butt in this pose. throw them way off track.

renalin on January 15, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Neugebauer, Olsen and Hensarling. The tough talking budget posse from Texas. They are cowards.

DanMan on January 15, 2013 at 7:44 PM

When asked why he voted for Boehner to remain as speaker, RN’s response was that no one came forward to challenge him. If he keeps it up, he WILL get a primary challenger in ’14 that can and will beat him.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 15, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Nice to see the R’s covering my back.

Bmore on January 15, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Fold or bet boys.

Bmore on January 15, 2013 at 7:54 PM

If you’re not going get anything meaningful from a confrontation,…

What confrontation? With who?

No one in the Republican leadership is confronting anyone in the Democrat party about anything.
The whole freaking stinking strategy of the freaking boot licking
GOP leaders seem to be “What fast can we do to get along? How can we compromise? How freaking quickly can we cave? Give in? Give up?”

They are disgusting! Pathetic! What freaking alternate reality are these people living in?

You’ve got Obama out there orchestrating plans to make him self one step closer to a dictator.. Democrats are cheering him on… how many freaking times has Obama broken the law.

For the love of God.. his administration has trafficked guns into Mexico and people have died.. been murdered and still what from our GOP leaders? What has Boehner said? Nothing! Not a blasted freaking word from the Speaker of the House! Nothing! We had hearings? What has been done? What? Nothing!

We’re slipping into a freaking dictatorship right before our freaking eyes and all the GOP leadership is worried about is being blamed for not raising the debt ceiling?

It’s freaking surreal! It’s like some kind of dark surreal comedy that you can’t wake up from!

JellyToast on January 15, 2013 at 8:01 PM

canopfor on January 15, 2013 at 7:24 PM

Exactly…It’s absurd.

(I’ll hold my breath ’til cnn runs with it)

Tim_CA on January 15, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Tim_CA:Yup,and Team GOP are dealing with Snakes:)

canopfor on January 15, 2013 at 8:03 PM

The sequester cuts from the last debt ceiling negotiation have not yet been realized. They are as Obama chooses, currently to hurt the military and prove to the meanies that cutting is bad.

But unless they are implemented…Smarter Cuts, please, Mr. President, and a 12-13 budget is in place, and SS reform is implemented cutting our contributions and giving us more choice, I am not for a raise to the debt ceiling except for an amount to continue essential services, earmarked as such, not to be spent on any Obama pet project. He doesn’t get the cash, he has to cut waste to find the money.

In MA, Scott Brown says there are budget lines and budget lines of unspent monies…just waiting for corruption to happen. That money needs to be clawed back.

Fleuries on January 15, 2013 at 8:04 PM

This reminds me of sending Obama’s budget to Reid so he could refuse to pass it and demonstrate to the American People just what nut Reid is….only the american people that voted for Obama didn’t care.

The problem with the GOP is they assume this is politics…it is not politics, it is the religion of the left and the cult of Obama.

The americans who voted for Obama would rather hate republicans on any excuse rather than compromise in any way.

These cult members pour all of their energy into supporting the illusion of their cult and it’s savior…and they cannot sustain individuation of thought or opposing opinion…or facts that contradict the policy.

The americans who voted for Obama cannot stand to admit their savior has failed…like the japanese during WWII.

workingclass artist on January 15, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Scroomed.

All of us.

Some assembly… complete.

trigon on January 15, 2013 at 8:09 PM

<blockquoteNo. Just no.

The Republican implosion continues.

If they are unprincipled and stupid enough to do this, they cannot be redeemed. Everyone who supports the measure must be primaried. They are useless enough as it is, they seem to be set on convincing us that it’s time for a third party solution.

obladioblada on January 15, 2013 at 6:56 PM

What do you think will resolve from that? That the American people will then turn around and elect your more fiscally responsible, more conservative GOP primary winners?

They won’t. That’s the one thing that this past election should have taught you. The American electorate has no stomach for “let it burn.”. The exact opposite, actually.

You can complain that the GOP has betrayed you. Not so much them as the American PEOPLE betrayed you. They decided they want to keep on speeding forward towards fiscal insolvency. The GOP is merely realizing they have no more cards to play.

Vyce on January 15, 2013 at 8:09 PM

JellyToast on January 15, 2013 at 8:01 PM

its beyond belief. there is absolutely no one representing us. no one.

thats why i’ll say it again. LET IT BURN.

renalin on January 15, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Boehner needs to grow a pair and impeach Obama.

workingclass artist on January 15, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Guys I think the reality is the GOP is not going to be the vehicle to get us out of this and we are wasting our time and money with them. I had a very good record on my various donations in 2010 and now those conservatives we worked for are being marginalized by the GOP.

Lets spend a cycle or two building a conservative party, let the system crash under these liberals in DC and see what we can do on the other side of the mess. This ain’t working and they don’t seem to care.

DanMan on January 15, 2013 at 8:13 PM

So again: What do you want Republicans to do? Even if they went full kamikaze and won some cuts by enforcing a sustained federal shutdown, they’d face a huge risk of being swept away in a backlash in the midterms and those cuts being rescinded by the new Democratic House.


It is beginning to dawn on me there are a lot of people in the GOPe and the GOPe-media that are NOT capable of critical thinking.

Case in point?

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/january_2013/63_of_gop_voters_think_republicans_in_congress_out_of_touch

The do face a huge risk of being swept away in the PRIMARIES

and if they survive that threat?

How many of the 63% who feel they are out of touch NOW do you think are going to vote for them in November of 2014?

PolAgnostic on January 15, 2013 at 8:13 PM

The GOP wont’ even pass a clean “Sandy bill”. Hurry up sweet meteor of death!

SouthernGent on January 15, 2013 at 8:14 PM

$50 BILLION Sandy bill passes Congress. 48 Pubs voted for it. We are so screwed.

Mr. Arrogant on January 15, 2013 at 7:31 PM

I wonder how much of the recent tax hikes on those filthy rich folks they just spent?

sharrukin on January 15, 2013 at 8:14 PM

With the administration’s debt ceiling deadline fast approaching, House Republican leaders are considering a four-year debt limit increase that would take the issue off the table for the rest of President Barack Obama’s presidency.

Azzwipes.

Good thing these cowardly idiots in the GOP re-elected the Cowardly Idiot-in-Chief, the Weeping Boner, back to leadership. Boner represents these GOP dirtballs perfectly. Friggin worthless, stupid scum.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 15, 2013 at 8:15 PM

I wonder how much of the recent tax hikes on those filthy rich folks they just spent?

sharrukin on January 15, 2013 at 8:14 PM

All of it.

Steve Eggleston on January 15, 2013 at 8:17 PM

I wonder how much of the recent tax hikes on those filthy rich folks they just spent?

sharrukin on January 15, 2013 at 8:14 PM

All of it.

Steve Eggleston on January 15, 2013 at 8:17 PM

I don’t even know what to say anymore. They have gone beyond pathetic and cowardly. They are playing games while the country burns with idiot grins at how clever they think themselves.

sharrukin on January 15, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Vyce on January 15, 2013 at 8:09 PM

All you say may be true but our own party is being complicit by remaining silent and going along with the rape of the treasury. Let them have it and the Cloward-Piven process will surely hasten the collapse. We have a ruling class that is insulated from the impacts of our current state of economic reality. I don’t know about the rest of you but I get a little pissed thinking Harry Reid and his elk (both sides of the aisle) have become millionaires while lording over this mess they have fomented.

I simply do not want to participate any longer on slowing down the inevitable.

DanMan on January 15, 2013 at 8:24 PM

I might have to stop reading here. I don’t have high blood pressure but I feel it might get a foothold with all this idiocy by the Republicans.

Fallon on January 15, 2013 at 8:28 PM

F O A D
G O P

KOOLAID2 on January 15, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Next Headline By Ed Morrissey:

The REAL fight is in Four Years!!111!

Tim_CA on January 15, 2013 at 7:06 PM

Don’t be so tough on Ed. He will tell you what he thinks as soon as he receives the GOP talking points memo that tells him what he thinks.

bw222 on January 15, 2013 at 8:43 PM

$50 BILLION Sandy bill passes Congress. 48 Pubs voted for it. We are so screwed.

Mr. Arrogant on January 15, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Hey, if they didn’t vote for it, the GOP presidential candidate might lose the “Garbage State” in 2016.

bw222 on January 15, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Oh wait.

4 year debt ceiling increase for full repeal of Obamacare.

gophergirl on January 15, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Nice idea.

talkingpoints on January 15, 2013 at 8:50 PM

33% cut from the last passed budget, across the board. Make the Senate obstructionists CHOKE on their malfeasance. An END to ‘baseline budgeting’ shenanigans.

rayra on January 15, 2013 at 7:37 PM

Another nice idea.

talkingpoints on January 15, 2013 at 8:54 PM

I hear the terrain then will be better since there will be a much bigger mountain there to fight on.

Dusty on January 15, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Indeed…with ed the “real” battle is always over the NEXT hill.

In the meantime….wave that white flag proudly and with gusto.

it grows tiresome.

Tim_CA on January 15, 2013 at 8:59 PM

The GOP wont’ even pass a clean “Sandy bill”. Hurry up sweet meteor of death!

SouthernGent on January 15, 2013 at 8:14 PM

Personally, I am hoping for a SMODC

It would save trillions!

PolAgnostic on January 15, 2013 at 9:00 PM

No debt ceiling increase and pass a budget with across the board tax increases to close the deficit – people need to see the cost of government.

kcewa on January 15, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Pitiful

Shut it down DEFAULT. Get on every show and send every member to every show everyday to say simply “we are borrowing 40 cents on every dollar. That is unsustainable every hard working american can understand that.” “This is a drastic move but we must balance the budget before the Chinese and world cancel the credit card.”

Then repeat repeat repeat.

Force the Dems to work with or wipe their a*s with the constitution and take ABSOLUTE OWNERSHIP. These are all fake crisis, when the world drops the dollar as the standard like China, Russia, Iran, Brasil and many others want it will be real. At that point we can print as many dollars as we want but all that will happen is everything will just cost that many more dollars immediately. Then the collapse will be universal and fast.

If it is true and the electorate has shifted that far then we need to concentrate on positioning ourselves for the day after. If the day after the Dems can claim it was all bipartisan their goal will be complete and we will be rebuilt into a socialist Utopian dream doomed to failure. If we make them own it without doubt dragging US fighting delaying all the way we will get to rebuild it.

Somebody please tell the Republican party it is not to hell with it steal all you can for your escape bag, its time to position for the inevitable and prepare for the fight for your nations survival.

C-Low on January 15, 2013 at 9:28 PM

We have to cut spending. If we don’t, we won’t have the money to pay the bills.

Where are the House Republicans? Tongue-tied?

Phil Byler on January 15, 2013 at 9:40 PM

The Republican establishment was never in favor of the Tea Party movement. They themselves helped attack Tea Party leaders. They themselves destroyed Tea Party politicians. And they even refused to utter the words “Tea Party” at the convention to help defend Tea Party principles.

And now they will not stand up and do whats needed because the momentum is gone for Tea Party principles? I wonder why they are not popular enough? Hmmmmm.

I am beginning to not care if the republicans lose the house in 2014. Screw em.

KMav on January 15, 2013 at 10:02 PM

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