New GOP idea: How about offering to raise the debt ceiling for the rest of Obama’s term?
posted at 6:45 pm on January 15, 2013 by Allahpundit
What do you do when the opposition’s working night and day to convince voters that you’re an obstructionist, almost nihilistic group that’ll never compromise on anything? Raise the stakes and catch them off guard by proposing a much bigger compromise than they were expecting.
Just one problem with this offer: Would the public really view Obama as the unreasonable party to these negotiations if he turned around and said no?
With the administration’s debt ceiling deadline fast approaching, House Republican leaders are considering a four-year debt limit increase that would take the issue off the table for the rest of President Barack Obama’s presidency.
The plan would, however, come at no easy price for Obama, who pledged as recently as Monday morning not to negotiate with Republicans on a debt ceiling hike. Republicans would demand major tax and entitlement changes — the latter of which has been anathema to many Democrats — and they could also ask for movement on the sequester and an expiring continuing resolution that must be dealt with in the next three months.
The idea was one of many brought up over Sunday and Monday, as Speaker John A. Boehner of Ohio and his leadership team and staff held a strategy session in Warrenton, Va.
“We have an opportunity to inject years of certainty while doing some fundamental tax reform and entitlement reform,” said Rep. Steve Southerland II of Florida, the sophomore class leadership representative, who was at the meeting.
Unless the GOP’s prepared to not only hit the ceiling but hold out for weeks under immense economic and political pressure in hopes of extracting major cuts (which seems unlikely if even Republican senators are grumbling about another debt limit standoff), then a big PR ploy like this makes some sense. If you’re not going get anything meaningful from a confrontation, why not use it as an opportunity to make the left into the bad guy? Four-year debt-ceiling increase! Party of yes! New golden age of bipartisan cooperation! If the Democrats can come to the table, of course.
Let’s game this out, though. Boehner calls a press conference, walks out to the podium, and declares that the end of manufactured budget standoffs must end. The solution: A massive debt-ceiling hike to cover the rest of O’s presidency in exchange for reforms to Social Security and Medicare. Obama then calls a presser of his own, walks out, and says, “Sounds interesting! Name the cuts you have in mind.” So Boehner huddles with Cantor, Kevin McCarthy, and Paul Ryan, calls another presser, and lists all sorts of cuts and reforms to entitlements that’ll slash the deficit. Whereupon O calls his second presser and declares that he’d never, never abandon America’s seniors by agreeing to the sort of draconian cuts that the GOP so cruelly blah blah blah blah. What’s Boehner’s move then? The political damage has already been done at that point; Democrats will spend the next two years Mediscaring ahead of the midterms. Instead of being demagogued in the media as spiteful obstructionists who want America’s credit rating to implode, they’ll be demagogued as vicious misers looking to balance the budget on grandma’s back. What Boehner could do to prevent that is refuse to name any specific cuts publicly and insist that they be negotiated between the parties behind closed doors. But Obama won’t go for that; he won’t give away his Mediscaring opportunity, so he’ll simply turn around and say, “Get back to me when you’ve got something concrete in mind.” What then?
The only way the GOP has real leverage in negotiations against a Democratic president and Senate is if they have the public on their side, but the whole point of the last election is that the public’s even less serious about fiscal reality than the Democrats are. That’s been said many times in media old and new lately, but it can’t be said enough. When you poll people on their policy priorities, deficit reduction always does well, but once you drill down to bedrock stuff like entitlements voters start to abandon ship. What’s the GOP supposed to do in those circumstances? They can’t shut down the government to force spending cuts because the public hates shutdowns. They can’t offer a major compromise like a four-year debt-ceiling hike to encourage cuts because the public hates the sort of cuts that would be needed to really drive down the deficit. The only thing that could move public opinion is a sustained bully-pulpit educational campaign by the White House, but there’s zero reason to think Obama’s interested in that. As Philip Klein notes at the Examiner today, The One has never agreed to spending cuts unless a crisis has forced him to. So again: What do you want Republicans to do? Even if they went full kamikaze and won some cuts by enforcing a sustained federal shutdown, they’d face a huge risk of being swept away in a backlash in the midterms and those cuts being rescinded by the new Democratic House. The problem isn’t that the House leadership “has no balls” or whatever, it’s that they have no partner on fiscal responsibility. Not even in the electorate.
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“Retires” at a higher pay grade. Sweet!
JoeHanson on May 16, 2013 at 5:58 PM
Leading from behind.
Rich H on May 16, 2013 at 5:59 PM
Didn’t these guys knowingly allow rules to be broken? Isn’t there any consequence to that? Seems to me there’s broken laws to consider.
DanMan on May 16, 2013 at 6:00 PM
ANyone who “steps-down” or “retires” is not paying a price. Fire them, and then put them in jail.
CycloneCDB on May 16, 2013 at 6:00 PM
Charades.
portlandon on May 16, 2013 at 6:00 PM
o/t, but ESAD liveenslavedthendie, HAL, and their fellow race-baiters:
Who’s The Racist? The Most Racist Countries In The World And The Answers Will Surprise Only The Race-Mongers
Resist We Much on May 16, 2013 at 6:01 PM
I’m more interested in the people in the White House and cabinet level thugs…
d1carter on May 16, 2013 at 6:02 PM
What we forget is that ObamaCare is targeting ALL religious organizations.
Axion on May 16, 2013 at 6:04 PM
Remember, now: According to the trolls, we should now shut up for getting someone ‘fired’ over this scandal. It’s done an over.
Liam on May 16, 2013 at 6:05 PM
What difference does it make?
They’ve already suppressed free speech during the election. They’ve succeeded.
Now all they’re concerned about is that the GOP can’t use their rules when they’re up to bat.
Ben Hur on May 16, 2013 at 6:05 PM
Once again, Cincinnati IRS is NOT just a local office. It is 1 of 2 national offices. I know this because I have to send tax returns and 1099 information to this office for work.
This IS a big deal.
The bloggers at HA must mention this fact.
ladyingray on May 16, 2013 at 6:08 PM
He was promoted for the sole purpose of padding his retirement.
It’s a union thing, you know.
Ditkaca on May 16, 2013 at 6:10 PM
Except the Amish and Muslims.
RickB on May 16, 2013 at 6:11 PM
Hey, Allah, we’re going to need an update thread on ‘Kai the hatchet-welding hitchhiker’…
‘What would you do if you realized someone had drugged and raped you?’ Hitchhiker who became web hero is wanted for murder of lawyer, 73, found dead hours after drifter claimed on Facebook he’d been assaulted
It’s such a shame what fame can do to a name…
Resist We Much on May 16, 2013 at 6:11 PM
How about some jail time and forfeiture of their pensions.
pat on May 16, 2013 at 6:11 PM
Update: Yes, the president is still lying.
slickwillie2001 on May 16, 2013 at 6:12 PM
optmist: Chuck Schumer is involved
pessimist: Eric Holder is AG
mjbrooks3 on May 16, 2013 at 6:12 PM
I know you don’t like me though we’re ostensibly on the same side but, I’ll keep it in mind.
Cincinnati and Washington, both. ‘Minor’ offices, right?
Liberals are more stupid than they think we are, to believe their own tripe.
Liam on May 16, 2013 at 6:12 PM
You’re a nuclear power without being a country.
Liam on May 16, 2013 at 6:14 PM
Once the IRS was against Al Capone.
Under Obama, the IRS is Al Capone.
VorDaj on May 16, 2013 at 6:14 PM
No wonder Geraldo found nothing in the vault!
Liam on May 16, 2013 at 6:16 PM
…only the MSM has forgotten…
KOOLAID2 on May 16, 2013 at 6:16 PM
Let’s go with:
‘Mrs. Evita Smith, 6th grade math teacher of Pork Bend Middle School in Bill Wyoming is
retiring after 45 years of teachingbeing forced to step down by the Obama Administration in the wake of the IRS scandal. This move clearly shows that Obama means business.’BigWyo on May 16, 2013 at 6:17 PM
You’re the best. Thanks!
Resist We Much on May 16, 2013 at 6:19 PM
He isn’t even listed as one of the employees of interest which according to Fox News are:
Holly Paz, a director; John Shafer, a manager; Gary Muthert, a screener; Liz Hofacre, a case coordinator; and Joseph Herr, a manager.
crosspatch on May 16, 2013 at 6:22 PM
Actually, you are the best. So thanks, there. And you’re welcome.
Nobody shreds a liberal like you can. And believe me, I try. I use oddball humor, like telling partisanliberalhack, to go play Switch. Doesn’t match you, that’s for sure.
I bet the trolls would love having you on their side. LOL
Liam on May 16, 2013 at 6:25 PM
An aside: I just saw a TV commercial hawking a book entitled, “The Obamacare Survival Guide.”
What does that tell you trolls?
Liam on May 16, 2013 at 6:27 PM
wow, just wow.
the amount of mental gymnastics you have to do to find some way to twist yourself into the kind of pretzel that makes any good thing connected to Obama a bad thing is quite astounding, impressive even.
nonpartisan on May 16, 2013 at 6:30 PM
I expect to see Wee Man and Steve-O at a WH presser any day now.
Capitalist Hog on May 16, 2013 at 6:30 PM
Here’s a question. If Joesph Grant was retiring June 3rd whether he was promoted or not, would his retirement package be different because of a couple of weeks in the new job?
Dusty on May 16, 2013 at 6:32 PM
Best poster on hotair.
rogerb on May 16, 2013 at 6:33 PM
Go play Switch.
I don’t to explain anything, because you know as well as we do Obama’s game. What makes that fakery worse is YOU trying to defend it.
If you two weren’t so laughable, you’d be offensive.
What’s even more laughable is YOU coming here to lecture us, when your mommy is helping pay off your student loan.
And you expect us to take you seriously?
Liam on May 16, 2013 at 6:34 PM
WOMAN IN CHARGE DURING ‘TEA PARTY’ TARGETING NOW RUNS IRS OBAMACARE OFFICE
Resist We Much on May 16, 2013 at 6:37 PM
Just sent this message to HA:
“Once again, Cincinnati IRS is NOT just a local office. It is 1 of 2 national offices. I know this because I have to send tax returns and 1099 information to this office for work.
This IS a big deal.
The bloggers at HA must mention this fact.”
This fact is easily verified. Do it. Report it. Check 1099 submission. There are 2 offices in the entire USA. One of them is Cincinnati. This isn’t a simple “local” office.
ladyingray on May 16, 2013 at 6:38 PM
Oh, isn’t THIS just wonderful:
IRS Official in Charge During Tea Party Targeting Now Runs Health Care Office
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/05/irs-official-in-charge-during-tea-party-targeting-now-runs-health-care-office/#.UZVd8IDAhmw.twitter
crosspatch on May 16, 2013 at 6:40 PM
Documents: IRS letters harassing conservative groups came from Washington, DC headquarters and from California offices, despite Inspector General’s focus on Cincinnati employees
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2325068/Documents-IRS-letters-harassing-conservative-groups-came-Washington-DC-headquarters-California-offices-despite-Inspector-Generals-focus-Cincinnati-employees.html
whatcat on May 16, 2013 at 6:40 PM
You just can’t make this crap up. Obama is flipping double birds at us and laughing hysterically about it!!!
dddave on May 16, 2013 at 6:41 PM
WOMAN IN CHARGE DURING ‘TEA PARTY’ TARGETING NOW RUNS IRS OBAMACARE OFFICE
xblade on May 16, 2013 at 6:41 PM
You got nothin’ on us, kid. You’re young, and haven’t been through the things many of us have.
Not necessary for you to answer, because your private life is yours. But…
Ever been married, struggling with your first apartment together as a couple, and with a baby on the way? Ever stay up late at night, as a young man, wondering, “How can I provide the best for my family?”
I can ramble, but won’t.
You’re a total comic, playing to an empty room. We here all have been, at one time or other, liberal. YOU, on the other hand, have never been Conservative.
YOU can’t even define us as we are.
Yet, YOU come here day after day and PRESUME to lecture us?
Liam on May 16, 2013 at 6:41 PM
ladyingray
The office for tax exempt organizations is a separate office. Cincinnati supposedly handled all such requests from the entire country. Which is actually a problem because one corrupt office could then corrupt the process in all 50 states. This should be broken out to the district offices.
crosspatch on May 16, 2013 at 6:42 PM
And if you think you can go to another thread and try your same game there instead, I ad others will be around to hammer you again.
There is no escape for you, if you think you can come in here and presume to lecture us. As a young man, you might have your whole life ahead of you. But we older folks, who have been around and experienced life, don’t have our lives behind us.
If you want to escape, then go to HuffPo and pour out your drivel over there. They’ll welcome you with open arms.
But you might want to change your moniker there. Calling yourself ‘nonpartisan’ is an instant ticket to being under suspicion. There, you’re either totally liberal, or you’re banished.
Liam on May 16, 2013 at 6:51 PM
Ain’t payoffs grand. The regime just bought this guy’s silence and if called to testify to congress, he’ll just claim I know nothing.
Kissmygrits on May 16, 2013 at 6:52 PM
Not exactly. He made public that his ‘resignation’ came early; he was leaving in two weeks anyway.
He didn’t have to make that public. But he did. In a way, either by accident or intent, he slapped Obama across the face.
Liam on May 16, 2013 at 6:57 PM
..taking a poll here. After seeing the stupid picture on this post get the urge to smash our stupid POTUS in the face?
The War Planner on May 16, 2013 at 7:01 PM
Are baseball bats allowed?
Liam on May 16, 2013 at 7:03 PM
Be on the lookout for Clintonesque parsing, on the order of “what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is.”
That was my first thought too. Was he headed to retirement soon anyway? Was he promoted to boost his pension as some kind of payoff?
novaculus on May 16, 2013 at 7:12 PM
Here’s the May 8th Press Release for Grant’s Promotion
blammm on May 16, 2013 at 7:17 PM
Now that is the way a Barackracy is supposed to work.
SparkPlug on May 16, 2013 at 7:49 PM
Kim Strassel says that the IRS intimidation came from the top via Obysmal’s megaphone (not a telephone).
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324767004578487332636180800.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop
onlineanalyst on May 16, 2013 at 7:52 PM
But wait there’s more…
Flaming Skull at Ace of Spades…
“Sarah Hall Ingram served as commissioner of the office responsible for tax-exempt organizations between 2009 and 2012. But Ingram has since left that part of the IRS and is now the director of the IRS’ Affordable Care Act office, the IRS confirmed to ABC News today.
So she gets a promotion, and her successor, who knew about the scandal and didn’t tell anyone but did not actually oversee it, takes the fall.
And another Fall Guy has been offered, too– the current commissioner of the tax-exempt division is now resigning.
But he was appointed to this position just eight days ago.
We don’t know yet if this is a complete farce, but it sure looks like one…
The worst case scenario is if he was just promoted to a higher position so that Obama could announce “Another high-ranking official has been asked to resign.”
We don’t know yet what he was promoted from. But we do need to know.
So this guy, who may have been promoted to the position just to be fired from it, takes the fall, while the woman actually responsible for the regime is now enforcing ObamaCare…
Get In Their Faces: Was their a link between Obama’s “Fight the Smears” snitch-on-your-neighbors-for-free-speech site and IRS retribution?
During the debate over adopting ObamaCare the White House encouraged liberal activists to report Obama’s critics to a “Flag@WhiteHouse.gov” email address. At least one of those reported tells RedState.com editor Erick Erickson he was then targeted with audits. “Remember that website Obama set up to report neighbors who opposed Obamacare? A friend reported himself and got audited shortly thereafter,” Erickson tweeted May 13.
“We need to know if there were any others. This certainly fits the rapidly-expanding pattern of people who criticize Obama suddenly finding themselves targeted by the IRS,” said Stockman. “Obama’s IRS scandal is spreading like a cancer.”
Bonus: To be more precise, Sarah Hall Ingram received over $100,000 in bonuses for her yeowoman work from 2010 to 2012.
- Ace
http://ace.mu.nu/
Aaaand this….
“It’s about a union: the National Treasury Employees Union. The NTEU. A left-wing union representing 150,000 employees in 31 separate government agencies, including the IRS. A union that not only endorsed President Obama for election and re-election, but a union whose current president, Colleen Kelly, was a 14-year IRS agent and now is both union president and Obama administration appointee (of which more in a moment).
It’s about 94% of NTEU union contributions going to Democrats in the Senate and House in 2012 — candidates who campaigned as vociferous opponents of the Tea Party…
Let’s first see how the IRS/NTEU game with the Tea Party and conservatives is played, shall we?
In the 2012 election cycle, the IRS union gave its money this way:
For the U.S. Senate:
Total to Democrats: $156,750
Total to Republicans: $1,000
For the U.S. House:
Total to Democrats: $391,062
Total to Republicans: $23,000…” – Ace
http://ace.mu.nu/
workingclass artist on May 16, 2013 at 8:03 PM
What federal employee gets over $100,000 in bonuses in two years?
Answer – An IRS Federal Employee at the IRS…In the Run up to a Presidential Election Season ( Sarah Hall Ingram)
workingclass artist on May 16, 2013 at 8:08 PM
“President Obama has picked a White House budget official to serve as the new acting commission of the Internal Revenue Service.
Daniel Werfel currently serves as controller of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB). Werfel has also served as a trial attorney in the Department of Justice’s Civil Rights Division…”
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/05/16/obama-picks-white-house-budget-controller-for-top-irs-slot/
workingclass artist on May 16, 2013 at 8:31 PM
Werfel.
Wasn’t he an NFL Quarterback?
socalcon on May 16, 2013 at 8:43 PM
John Kettlewell on May 16, 2013 at 8:59 PM
“If he was merely promoted to acting commissioner, then it looks like he was elevated for the purpose of taking the fall. If anyone has a link, please send it.”
Or more likely he was promoted to acting commissioner so he could retire with a larger pension.
Dasher on May 17, 2013 at 3:21 PM