National Review: The GOP should take default off the table in debt-ceiling negotiations
posted at 10:31 am on January 15, 2013 by Allahpundit
They’re not saying Republicans should cave and raise the debt ceiling across the board, they’re saying the GOP should pass something that lets Treasury continue to borrow only for the purpose of paying interest owed to creditors. Missing those payments would mean true default and a potential meltdown for global markets, which is why Democrats keep talking up the scenario for negotiating leverage. If you take away that leverage by guaranteeing that debt obligations will be met then this becomes just like a more traditional government shutdown, with all non-interest federal spending frozen unless and until Obama agrees to cuts.
The House should pass a bill to redefine the debt limit so that it constrains primary spending but not debt service. Under this reform, a Treasury that had hit the statutory borrowing limit could continue to borrow what it needed exclusively for paying interest on the national debt and to roll over existing debt obligations, but it could not borrow for any other government spending until the limit had been increased. This would take default entirely off the table.
Other spending would have to be put off or reduced, based on the amount of revenue available at any given time, until the debt limit had been raised. Since debt service now amounts to roughly 8 percent of the budget while the deficit is well over 30 percent, this would mean very significant limits on spending until the debt limit had been increased — whether by a large, across-the-board reduction of remaining spending or a partial shutdown of the relevant government programs and services. Both parties would have a strong incentive to come to agreements that prevented the debt limit from being hit, at least for long.
This proposal would improve, rather than undermine, America’s creditworthiness, as it would both avert any possibility of default and compel a discussion about getting our government finances into order.
Is it only the prospect of default on debt obligations that’s keeping Democrats from negotiating? If you read Obama’s opening statement from yesterday’s presser, when he was talking about Congress not paying its bills, he didn’t dwell on the prospect of Treasury not being able to make interest payments. He focused on not being able to pay the troops, not being able to send out Social Security checks, and so on — exactly the type of traditional spending that would be frozen even under NR’s modified debt-ceiling standoff scenario. In other words, he’s already treating this more or less as a traditional government shutdown. And with good reason: If the GOP did categorically refuse to raise the ceiling, Treasury could still cover its interest payments with the new revenue it takes in every day. The Journal gamed that out a few days ago:
Under this approach, the government would pay bills on a day-by-day basis only when it had enough cash on hand from tax receipts and other revenue. On days when it was short of cash, it would postpone all payments until enough cash came in to make that day’s payments. Then it would put off the next day’s payments until enough cash came in to make those, and so on…
Officials appeared to have ruled out as unworkable the idea of prioritizing payments. The U.S. government makes 80 million payments a month. Figuring out which to pay first could be a logistical nightmare…
One area could get special consideration. The report left unanswered whether a delayed-payment regime would have included postponing interest payments on U.S. Treasury securities. Obama administration officials declined to comment on the matter.
Interest payments are delivered over a different system than other federal payments so Geithner could segregate those easily for special attention if need be, which is almost certainly what would happen in order to preserve America’s creditworthiness if it ever did come to this. All National Review is doing, really, is calling on the GOP to codify this scheme, instructing Treasury to prioritize debt obligations over other spending (and to engage in limited borrowing if necessary to meet those obligations) so that the world’s bondholders don’t have a panic attack while Congress and the White House try to reach a deal on cuts.
But that raises the question: If the goal here is to turn this into a traditional government shutdown, why not forget the debt ceiling and use the expiration of this year’s allotment of federal spending in March as an opportunity to shut down the government and extract cuts? Ed has an entire column up at The Week today making the case for that strategy. If you want (a) deep spending cuts, (b) leverage for Republicans in the form of a shutdown, and (c) minimal risk of a global financial panic that could drive the country into a deeper economic rut, use the expiration of this year’s continuing resolution on the budget to fight for reduced spending instead of the debt ceiling. More from Ed:
Of course, Republicans remember all too well that they attempted to force a budget victory in 1995 over Bill Clinton with a government shutdown, and ended up losing the political war. That case, however, differed from today in a couple of significant ways. The deficit was much smaller, although still politically potent, and Clinton had already started to triangulate after the 1994 midterm fiasco for Democrats. The budget standoff looked much less like a crisis than a public-relations stunt for the new Contract with America majority. In this case, the crisis is obvious and very potent politically, although not certain by any means to favor Republicans. It will take a great deal of effort to get the messaging started immediately for a March 27 standoff over budgeting for the rest of FY2013, an effort that Republicans haven’t done much in the last two weeks to push.
The GOP should forget the ghosts of 1995 and force the showdown over the real issue — out-of-control spending. At this point, after the beating Republicans took in November and the disarray after the New Years Day fiscal-cliff deal, they don’t have much to lose, especially by fighting on the high ground and forcing Democrats to defend inflated spending.
Supposedly Boehner and the House GOP leadership are already trying to steer the caucus towards taking a stand on the continuing resolution rather than the debt ceiling. But even if it happens and the government shuts down for a few days, is there any reason to think they won’t cave? What kind of cuts are they expecting from a Democratic president and Democratic Senate? A shutdown is always risky, but in ’95 the GOP was at least coming off a huge midterm win the year before with public opinion presumably on their side. As it is, Gabe Malor sees a replay of the fiscal cliff debacle, where tea-party congressmen vote no and the rest of the caucus gets nervous about a public backlash and votes with Democrats to pass something lame.
Exit question: Which option does the “let it burn” crowd favor here? The point of LIB is to force Democrats to fully own the fiscal mess they’ve made and to force voters to live with the consequences of electing those Democrats, so presumably you guys want the GOP to vote “present” on the debt ceiling and let the Dems keep borrowing until the whole budgetary facade finally collapses, yes?
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Wonderful, and so are you, Fred. :)
thatsafactjack on May 23, 2013 at 12:33 AM
Here’s the tune for when any of them open their mouths:
I Don’t Wanna Hear It
whatcat on May 23, 2013 at 12:33 AM
Who needs video when you’re listening to Nashville Skyline?
williamg on May 23, 2013 at 12:33 AM
Music isn’t supposed to be that complicated when you just like a tune. Click and enjoy. Nital.
hawkdriver on May 23, 2013 at 12:33 AM
Hey whatcat – haven’t seen you around these parts in a while…….
Nice to see you!
williamg on May 23, 2013 at 12:34 AM
@ axe
Like, what’s that mean? Like, when different parts of you inside are grinding against themselves. When you feel . . . when you need to rest over there but you’re still here
I got that and liked it..needed it actually.
omg..it is making sense now. I have crossed over.:)
bazil9 on May 23, 2013 at 12:35 AM
Otay,I’m off,er,
early grandson
baby-sitt’n detail!
Hit and miss again,Dire
EveryOne have a Great Night——————————-:)
canopfor on May 23, 2013 at 12:36 AM
Forever..:)
Dire Straits on May 23, 2013 at 12:36 AM
Axe always makes the MOST sense to me……..we’re like, almost wavelength-woven at times……
williamg on May 23, 2013 at 12:37 AM
Posted this on the other thread but it’s worth a listen at the link.
Dershowtiz weighs in on both issues.
Lerner did waive her 5th amendment rights & is in deep trouble. He uses the HUAC congressional hearings and resulting judicial decisions to backup his argument. He agrees with Rep. Gowdy.
Dershowitz also says that the DOJ isn’t applying the law equally in persuing the security leaks and journalist organizations and that since the revelations with IRS targeting of political opponents it appears that the DOJ is applying one law for Fox News and another law for Washington Post.
Don’t agree with Dershowitz all the time…He’s a liberal, but he has a way of breaking down the complex legal terms and issues in concise language for the layman. He’s probably a very good teacher and says admirable things about his pupils even if they are conservative like Ted Cruz.
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/lerner-irs-held-contempt/2013/05/22/id/505922
workingclass artist on May 23, 2013 at 12:37 AM
williamg on May 23, 2013 at 12:37 AM
okay….
:)
bazil9 on May 23, 2013 at 12:38 AM
I’ll Take Care of You – Bonamassa
thatsafactjack on May 23, 2013 at 12:38 AM
Godd evenin, Jackie
This one is for you:
Earthbound Hearts
novaculus on May 23, 2013 at 12:38 AM
Hey, I wander in every now and then.
whatcat on May 23, 2013 at 12:38 AM
I tease axe…cuz I like him.
Just me.
bazil9 on May 23, 2013 at 12:39 AM
Thanks, Nova. :) I’m listening now.
thatsafactjack on May 23, 2013 at 12:40 AM
Adios -time for a cream-sickle
and the hay.
Nite.
bazil9 on May 23, 2013 at 12:41 AM
Know whacha mean – for some odd reason sometimes even “The Archies” can be enjoyable.
whatcat on May 23, 2013 at 12:42 AM
What a Wonderful World
Schadenfreude on May 23, 2013 at 12:42 AM
I mean – probably no one here has heard of “The Silver Jews”…….but, they are SOooooo Classic!…… Jeez – who else comes up with lines like “I been workin’ at the Airport Bars like Christmas on a Submarine: Waves and Brandy on a Winter’s Night, I guess you wouldn’t call it a “Scene”….”?
williamg on May 23, 2013 at 12:43 AM
Just a question…this IRS thing has been going for a few weeks now, right? Have any Tea Party groups gotten their 501c3 statuses in that time? Or is it still the same old same old?
cptacek on May 23, 2013 at 12:45 AM
Voyage To Uranus
novaculus on May 23, 2013 at 12:46 AM
nice dire.
one of my fav. clapton’s. it has meaning to me.
Fred
jrsrigmvr on May 23, 2013 at 12:47 AM
Can’t go wrong with Satchmo.
whatcat on May 23, 2013 at 12:47 AM
That’s remarkable. I actually listened to it twice. That sax is so raw. Very cool. :)
thatsafactjack on May 23, 2013 at 12:47 AM
For All We Know – Chet Baker
thatsafactjack on May 23, 2013 at 12:49 AM
There’s a joke there somewhere, but I can’t quite put a finger on it.
whatcat on May 23, 2013 at 12:50 AM
Good evening, williamg. :) How’ve you been?
thatsafactjack on May 23, 2013 at 12:51 AM
Now see? If you weren’t so sneaky, you wouldn’t have to write that “I just like this tune” just to be clear. :) LIKE DIRE.
Well, it ain’t all like that. Another way to put it would have been “Too mellow. Not in the mood.” –or something. :)
Night Hawk.
Told ya. :)
Axe on May 23, 2013 at 12:51 AM
Raw sound, but but not loud, simple and spare. That whole album is good. I never tire of the old McLaughlin stuff.
novaculus on May 23, 2013 at 12:51 AM
Exactly. Very evocative and sophisticated sound.
thatsafactjack on May 23, 2013 at 12:52 AM
Yeah, gotta love that title…
novaculus on May 23, 2013 at 12:52 AM
lol! Made me laugh. :)
thatsafactjack on May 23, 2013 at 12:53 AM
Once Upon a Time in America
Schadenfreude on May 23, 2013 at 12:54 AM
I’m praying for the safety of Steven Crowder and his family , praying real hard.
After Hussein’s death threat to Americans, Crowder needs the Lord’s protection.
burrata on May 23, 2013 at 12:58 AM
Rainy Day, Dream Away
novaculus on May 23, 2013 at 12:59 AM
..and then, I saw Larry Campbell with Bob Dylan, like – 4 or 5 times and I have NEVER heard someone make The Stratocaster whine with melody the way he does EVERYTIME!!
….Which is part of why it just TEARS my Heart up that this video is so obviously “cut-off”……..the pining in my spinal fluid for the rest of the notes to dance hypnotically out of the speakers…..I comfort myself by focusing on Nicole’s body movements that she twitches in congruence with the melody……watch the statement her Left hand makes as she shakes it at Larry’s arpeggio and rising voice at the end of the clip….it’s so sensual….it makes you want to watch the rest of the scene…..
williamg on May 23, 2013 at 12:59 AM
“So we bought a pack of cigarettes and Mrs. Wagner pies
And we walked off to look for America”
Simon & Garfunkel – America
whatcat on May 23, 2013 at 12:59 AM
Very nice..Clapton has many great tunes..:)
Dire Straits on May 23, 2013 at 1:02 AM
Bailing. Will lurk back in a few hours. I finished something up; starting something else.
Night Resist, if you are around or already drooling. Cutely. Sleep tight. :)
Nice seeing everyone! Especially the rare whatcat & cptacek sightings. Like getting pictures of S.asquatch. No, you don’t look like S.asquatch. :)
Night graceful Jackie!
Night everyone.
Axe on May 23, 2013 at 1:02 AM
Can you imagine the ribbing the first astronaut to set foot on Uranus will get….
whatcat on May 23, 2013 at 1:02 AM
Very, very good. :)
thatsafactjack on May 23, 2013 at 1:03 AM
Blind Man
novaculus on May 23, 2013 at 1:03 AM
I’m okay – see musical posts above featuring Larry Campbell for more details……
Nice to see you, Moon Goddesss!
williamg on May 23, 2013 at 1:04 AM
Goodnight, Axefellow. Don’t work too hard. Do try and get some rest. :) I think I’ll follow you out. I’m pretty worn through, too. Sleep well.
thatsafactjack on May 23, 2013 at 1:04 AM
Bye Canopfor. Rest easy bud.
SparkPlug on May 23, 2013 at 1:04 AM
Finale
Schadenfreude on May 23, 2013 at 1:05 AM
Excellent tunes. Nice to see you, too. :)
thatsafactjack on May 23, 2013 at 1:05 AM
Cradle..:)
Dire Straits on May 23, 2013 at 1:05 AM
Gravity – Mayer
I bid you all a fond goodnight. It’s been a pleasure, as always. See you soon.
Goodnight, Paladin. :)
thatsafactjack on May 23, 2013 at 1:06 AM
PS- “Keep yourselves where the light is.”
thatsafactjack on May 23, 2013 at 1:07 AM
For Love one can Die
Schadenfreude on May 23, 2013 at 1:07 AM
Night, Axe and Jackie. :-)
tommy71 on May 23, 2013 at 1:10 AM
Nite Jackie – and where wisdom is :)
———
Nite Axe – told you “nite” this morning, on the old thread :)
Schadenfreude on May 23, 2013 at 1:13 AM
time to call mama
Adios: vaya con dios
Fred
jrsrigmvr on May 23, 2013 at 1:16 AM
Dreadful Wind And Rain
tom daschle concerned on May 23, 2013 at 1:16 AM
..:)
Dire Straits on May 23, 2013 at 2:03 AM
HAL is a perfect example of what Mencken referred to as “…serfs and goosesteppers…”.
Solaratov on May 23, 2013 at 2:16 AM
Perhaps you’ve already seen it, but this skit from a Leno show is fantastic.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/geoffrey-dickens/2013/05/21/leno-kids-ask-obama-darndest-questions
BuckeyeSam on May 23, 2013 at 3:03 AM
something like this.
Axe on May 23, 2013 at 5:09 AM
Woke up early and caught a nice long clip of the big party at the White House last night. So glad that the swirling swamp of scandals hasn’t put Barry and Moochelle off their game.
Naturally Curly on May 23, 2013 at 6:13 AM
Another party? Who was invited?
esr1951 on May 23, 2013 at 6:23 AM
Uh OH. Big sell off on Japan stock market. Things slowing down in China. Dow off 150 points at the open.
esr1951 on May 23, 2013 at 6:25 AM
Stu Varney predicts chaos with Ocare next year.
esr1951 on May 23, 2013 at 6:28 AM
good morning HA
mj trashing cruz on his comments yesterday….they really think this will hurt cruz in the long run…they have no clue in their bubble
cmsinaz on May 23, 2013 at 6:30 AM
seriously? another party?
let them cake!
cmsinaz on May 23, 2013 at 6:31 AM
Carole King, James Taylor, Gloria Estefan, Billy Joel. Not sure who else. Guess they don’t have to worry about the IRS auditing them now, huh?
Unless they adopt a baby . . .
Naturally Curly on May 23, 2013 at 6:34 AM
Mornin’, Patriots!
– Jan Brewer “Jihad in the UK…Could It Happen Here?” My take.
kingsjester on May 23, 2013 at 6:42 AM
i can see it happening in blue states with their gun control laws…sad to say….
mr cmsinaz and i will be heading to the gun range tomorrow after work…
morning KJ
cmsinaz on May 23, 2013 at 6:51 AM
Yeah, I’d be deeply distressed if the shaved Yeti or the rat-eared coward were not enjoying themselves. Just because of a few dead Americans in Libya, an IRS run amok, or a DoJ being run like the gestapo.
Happy Nomad on May 23, 2013 at 7:22 AM
Already has. Multiple times. I account for this stuff different than the administration. The Boston Marathon bombing, the Fort Hood Shooting, the Little Rock recruiting station shooting, the Times Square Bomber, the underwear bomber…… All instances of the Religion of Peace attacking Americans.
Happy Nomad on May 23, 2013 at 7:25 AM
good point
cmsinaz on May 23, 2013 at 7:30 AM
Major Hassan, KJ.
Good article.
hawkdriver on May 23, 2013 at 7:34 AM
That’s not a particularly daring prediction. Even the rat-eared coward is admitting that this is going to be a train wreck. Which, of course, is not what all these Dems who voted for it want to see going into the mid-term elections.
Happy Nomad on May 23, 2013 at 7:35 AM
Mika wants Reince to control Cruz….
lol
cmsinaz on May 23, 2013 at 7:37 AM
Stu Varney on local talk radio right now. Thinks the fact that Lerner has essentially waived her Fifth rights will break open the IRS scandal when she is compelled to testify.
Happy Nomad on May 23, 2013 at 7:41 AM
Yeah because what the liberal daughter of one of the nation’s worst foreign policy advisors thinks has a whole lot of sway within the RNC.
Happy Nomad on May 23, 2013 at 7:45 AM
Indeed HN
:)
John heilman was an a$$ towards reince natch
cmsinaz on May 23, 2013 at 7:50 AM
Is there a bigger Obama coddling douchebag than John Heilman?
CTSherman on May 23, 2013 at 7:50 AM
Sure hope she sings HN
But doubtful…. they rather fall on their swords
cmsinaz on May 23, 2013 at 7:51 AM
Gillespie, Garrett, Tapper, and Powers get it. They raise the right questions about the abuse of power in re the First Amendment of the Obysmal administration. That these writers/reporters/pundits come from differing political persuasions and can agree on the effrontery of the Obysmal abuse is telling.
The media have a right, indeed a responsibility, to be a watchdog over any government entity. They are not PR personnel serving as stenographers for the government.
onlineanalyst on May 23, 2013 at 7:51 AM
Don’t think so ct
cmsinaz on May 23, 2013 at 7:52 AM
You are absolutely correct about that. Varney was stating the obvious.
esr1951 on May 23, 2013 at 7:55 AM
I wonder if that idiot heard me screaming at my TV this morning. Hope he did.
He is absolutely the WORST on that show, worse than Howard Dean or Rev Al even.
And completely unhinged when Schmoe isn’t there and Mika urges him on.
I have a feeling Reince told him where to stick his head when he left the set. (or un-stick it)
Marcus on May 23, 2013 at 7:57 AM
Millbank, you are still blinded by your adoration. Those “talking points” were a siren alerting the more than half-awake public that the administration whitewash was the epitome of bogusness. The questions by the thoughtful were not bogus.
onlineanalyst on May 23, 2013 at 7:59 AM
I’d beg to differ slightly. The media is supposed to be a watchdog. The media when it comes to the rat-eared loser has largely been nothing but a adjunct of the DNC.
The reason why Rosen was singled out for punishment is that he was the only one who dared to ask the hard questions. The rest of the media corps has had somewhat of a “come to Jesus” moment because they suddenly realize but for the grace of God they could find their parents being listed as co-conspirators. But I think it also changes the relationship between this administration and the media.
Happy Nomad on May 23, 2013 at 8:00 AM
I sure hope he did Marcus
cmsinaz on May 23, 2013 at 8:00 AM
It does not take 12 versions of talking points to tell the truth. What we saw was a truthful telling of the situation morph into a complete lie as Clinton and the rat-eared loser applied politics to a straight-forward situation. And somewhere along the line a YouTube video became the culprit and not radical Islam.
Happy Nomad on May 23, 2013 at 8:07 AM
Were they out in force when the “Occupy” groups or the assorted anarchists were trashing cities…for months? Were they out in force when the Latino groups riddled with illegals were demonstrating quite visibly?
Janet Napolitano is a big part of the problem in this administration. She is, however, just an “enforcer” of the Obysmal administration’s skewed priorities.
onlineanalyst on May 23, 2013 at 8:18 AM
One of Moaning Joe’s guests, in front of Mika and Heilman and Schmoe just said (on the replay of the opening hour):
If Rush Limbaugh or Reince Priebus had said that, they’d crap their pants.
Marcus on May 23, 2013 at 8:19 AM
Edited for comprehensive accuracy.
farsighted on May 23, 2013 at 8:19 AM
Sooo, how did the panicky president’s progressive press pow-wow go at the White House the other day? Did any of them write about it afterwards?
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/05/22/journolist-revived-liberal-reporters-quietly-summoned-to-white-house-71233
Fallon on May 23, 2013 at 8:25 AM
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