Manchin on gun control: ‘Everything’s on the table.’

posted at 3:11 pm on January 15, 2013 by Mary Katharine Ham

This guy’s playing with fire, right? Republicans, somewhat counter-intuitively, still struggle in West Virginia statewide elections. But that’s partly because West Virginia Democrats are very good at looking and sounding like Republicans on things like gun policy, religion, and many of the other things important to us “bitter clingers” of the world.

Sen. Joe Manchin, who once shot a copy of the cap-and-trade bill through with a rifle in a campaign ad to prove his down-home bona fides, is apparently looking to change that. In the month since Newtown, Manchin has been pro-gun control, then back to pro-gun, then at a No Labels event, presumably because his opportunistic flip-flopping defies ideological classification.

On Andrea Tantaros’ radio show Monday, he was back to more aggressive talk on gun control:

“Do you think there should be more gun control laws?” Tantaros asked Manchin directly.

Manchin responded, “I believe that you have to have an approach, to where everything is on the table. Now, when you say ‘gun control,’ I just don’t think it’s a one-issue problem. That’s why people keep talking about that, and people keep wanting to say ‘yes’ or ‘no,’ ‘are you for this or against it?’ We’re in an environment in Washington where your guilty by conversation.”

Manchin continued, hinting that he would favor a renewing of the “assault weapons” ban: “I don’t have a so-called assault weapon. I’m a proud gun owner. I have many guns, I don’t have that type of a gun.” Manchin acknowledged that he used one of his bolt action rifles to shoot the cap and trade bill in one of his campaign ads.

Well, as long as Sen. Manchin doesn’t have an “assault weapon” why not just ban them? Because “things the junior senator from West Virginia owns” is the historical guideline our Founders used to determine what products a free people would retain access to. Manchin was the governor of the state of West Virginia, but his home state thankfully escaped his reign without major gun control. The state earns an admirable 4 of a possible 100 points from the Brady Campaign on the gun control scale. I guess Manchin’s conscience couldn’t operate fully on the issue of guns until after he’d used the NRA’s endorsement to get elected, found a national tragedy to demagogue, and found out the Beltway had his back.

Manchin will no doubt claim when he says “everything’s on the table,” he just means up for discussion. But his own comments reveal that’s not the case. Manchin’s got banning on the brain.

“Would you ban any weapons, Senator?” Tantaros asked. The senator refused to directly answer.

“I can’t say what I would ban or what I wouldn’t ban,” he replied. “But I’m willing to talk about anything that’s out there. If it’s a military-style type thing that was for military use, should it be talked about? I think I want to hear from those people that believe they need those weapons. Am I going to vote to ban? I can’t say until I see a piece of legislation.”

What I hear is the most famously flagrant recent purveyor of campaign gun porn is now willing to talk about the banning of anything out there. Does he think that speaks to West Virginia voters?

Seriously, this is how he got elected:


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So he’s saying he’s willing to make everything legal, no restrictions whatsoever, or does “anything” mean that only ideas that add more restrictions are on the table?

Flange on January 15, 2013 at 3:14 PM

How about your senate seat? Jeez, WV. I’m stuck in New York, you can do better than this fool.

Rixon on January 15, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Weasel says what?

Knott Buyinit on January 15, 2013 at 3:15 PM

I think I want to hear from those people that believe they need those weapons.

The Bill of Rights is not a Bill of Needs.

Warren Buffett doesn’t need my generation to pay for his Social Security or Medicare, but good luck getting Democrats to means test entitlements.

Resist We Much on January 15, 2013 at 3:16 PM

He just got reelected, so he’s probably safe. But he could really jeopardize the other open seat in WV next year if the GOP can use his words to scare conservative voters.

Doughboy on January 15, 2013 at 3:17 PM

He’s just holding out for the highest bidder

lm10001 on January 15, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Dems pretend to be conservative to fool the voters, then swing left while in office.

sauldalinsky on January 15, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Is gun confiscation on the table, Joe?

Dusty on January 15, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Dems Dems & Reps pretend to be conservative to fool the voters, then swing left while in office.

sauldalinsky on January 15, 2013 at 3:19 PM

heh, FIFM

sauldalinsky on January 15, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Sen. Joe Manchin, who once shot a copy of the cap-and-trade bill through with a rifle in a campaign ad to prove his down home bona fides,

lol…Epic Pandering.

(a personal fave)

Tim_CA on January 15, 2013 at 3:22 PM

East coast state? Enjoy douchebags.

Mr. Arrogant on January 15, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Screw WV. Those pork and entitlement whores have been electing progs in sheep’s clothing for years. Molon Labe! L.I.F.B.

morbius on January 15, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Sorry, no. Nothing at all is ‘on the table’.

You’re NOT stealing my guns and my right to self-protection. End of story.

Liam on January 15, 2013 at 3:26 PM

i’ve watched a little of the Ed show. Manchin came under attack for not caring about the kids…temporizing when we need ‘strong national leadership’ to set the nation straight.

no doubt the left is promising to target him in his next election and have his Money dry up…plus no doubt they have oppo research on him.

but the cake was taken on TRMS by joe biden’s son, the AG of MD…who rattled on and on about the military weapons that were in the hand of civilians. . To quote him….If you want to shoot with that kind of weapon, then join the national guard or something

you’d have thought they would have outlawed machine guns by now….oh, wait

r keller on January 15, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Well, the hand writing is on the wall. Where is the 1/3 of the law making bodies coming out against EOs,,,where are any comments from the Supreme Court re EOs. We are getting slow rolled on this matter. We have been slow rolled from day one with this admin and the gutless republican party. We only have a ruling elite now and we are to be the obeying masses because our” betters” know what is best for us. This does not forebode well for the Republic.

retiredeagle on January 15, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Don’t worry on Wednesday he will say the complete opposite after he hears from his people in West Virginia. It is really quit funny to see his flip flops. It is almost a 24 hour cycle now.

He wants to be progressive but he also wants to be able to return home. What to do…what to do…

William Eaton on January 15, 2013 at 3:30 PM

“I can’t say what I would ban or what I wouldn’t ban,” he replied. “But I’m willing to talk about anything that’s out there

.

Just trying to see where the butter is.
Odd that that he is having so much trouble.

Jabberwock on January 15, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Manchin on gun control: ‘Everything’s on the table.’

No it’s not.

Jabberwock on January 15, 2013 at 3:33 PM

So he’s saying he’s willing to make everything legal, no restrictions whatsoever, or does “anything” mean that only ideas that add more restrictions are on the table?

Flange on January 15, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Exactly. I’d love to be able to buy a new, fully automatic Thompson submachine gun.

If that’s not on the table, I’m walking away.

rbj on January 15, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Well, the hand writing is on the wall. Where is the 1/3 of the law making bodies coming out against EOs,,,where are any comments from the Supreme Court re EOs. We are getting slow rolled on this matter. We have been slow rolled from day one with this admin and the gutless republican party. We only have a ruling elite now and we are to be the obeying masses because our” betters” know what is best for us. This does not forebode well for the Republic.

retiredeagle on January 15, 2013 at 3:29 PM

The Republic died in 2008. We are in a rotting corpse of a former representative republic where we have no freedom, no inalienable rights, no protection. We are being targeted for death because we dissent against an evil false God that took over while everyone willingly watched.

We are in 1935 Germany.

Myron Falwell on January 15, 2013 at 3:34 PM

How about a ban on squishy, double-talking lawmakers who do not understand the first thing about the Constutution of the United States of America and ignore it completely whenever it’s politically expedient?

That’s the ban I’d like to see on the table.

ROCnPhilly on January 15, 2013 at 3:34 PM

limosine liberal hypocrite, no guns for you, armed guards for me

burserker on January 15, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Manchin is perfectly welcome to come in person and try staling my right to protect my God-given right to defend my family and all I own.

With or without his Secret Service protection.

Liam on January 15, 2013 at 3:36 PM

Just trying to see where the butter is.
Odd that that he is having so much trouble.

Jabberwock on January 15, 2013 at 3:30 PM

When it comes to butter and liberals, I think of Last Tango In Paris.

Liam on January 15, 2013 at 3:38 PM

Exactly. I’d love to be able to buy a new, fully automatic Thompson submachine gun.

If that’s not on the table, I’m walking away.

rbj on January 15, 2013 at 3:33 PM

If it’s on the table, I’m picking it up and walking away, and I’d like to see anyone try to stop me.

The Rogue Tomato on January 15, 2013 at 3:39 PM

WV will ban him if he votes for any gun bans.

TX-96 on January 15, 2013 at 3:40 PM

If it’s a military-style type thing that was for military use…

I would just like people to actually say what type of guns that are under discussion. Fully auto weapons can’t be purchased legally. Semi-auto could be said to be for military use but that would include most modern rifles and hand guns. So if it’s “military-style” then we are just talking cosmetics and large capacity magazines since most civilian weapons have pretty much the same capability as a military weapon other than maybe having full auto capability.

JohnnyL on January 15, 2013 at 3:41 PM

Exactly. I’d love to be able to buy a new, fully automatic Thompson submachine gun.

If that’s not on the table, I’m walking away.

rbj on January 15, 2013 at 3:33 PM

I prefer a BAR, personally.

Liam on January 15, 2013 at 3:41 PM

“Everything is on the table” is just code for “my vote is for sale to the highest bidder” or “I’ll go with whoever can twist my arm the hardest”. So said the No Labels Principles guy.

Marcola on January 15, 2013 at 3:42 PM

There is no such thing as a Blue Dog Democrat.

jnelchef on January 15, 2013 at 3:43 PM

The Republic died in 2008. We are in a rotting corpse of a former representative republic where we have no freedom, no inalienable rights, no protection. We are being targeted for death because we dissent against an evil false God that took over while everyone willingly watched.

We are in 1935 Germany.

Myron Falwell on January 15, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Do you know that 1935 America was much worse in term of socialism than 2013 America?… You need to read some history to put things in perspective… FDR was the worst President ever not in term of rhetoric but in term of actions… FDR attempted more power grab than any other President before or after… Obama is only big with his socialist rhetoric but even in this category he was nothing compared to FDR… For certain Obama is nothing but a little amateur in term of actual socialist policies compared to FDR who have implement far more damaging socialist policies than Obama…

But yet we survived FDR and we survived the voters who voted for FDR socialism four times… Not only we survived the SOB but we became the most powerful nation in history of mankind… We will certainly survive an incompetent socialist fool like Obama and his voters… And in the no distant future will be back much stronger than ever before…

mnjg on January 15, 2013 at 3:43 PM

“Everything is on the table” is just code for “my vote is for sale to the highest bidder” or “I’ll go with whoever can twist my arm the hardest”. So said the No Labels Principles guy.

Marcola on January 15, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Good call, spot-on.

Thread-winner!

Liam on January 15, 2013 at 3:44 PM

Speaks volumes that our elected leaders are quick to exploit a tragedy for political gain…

Seven Percent Solution on January 15, 2013 at 3:44 PM

Manchin on gun control: ‘Everything’s on the table.’

Manchin=big fat liar.

SWalker on January 15, 2013 at 3:44 PM

Everything Joe–including the Constitution, freedom, rights,and the balance of power between the government and the people?

This man is but another souless flexibly principled opportunist. I watched Joe Lieberman use the same, I’m one of you (today) game, selling all his previous “principles” when Al Gore picked him as his running mate.
Principles to a liberal is like chastity to a prostitue–How much is the only question in their fouled minds?

Don L on January 15, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Joining Obama and Vice President Biden for the announcement will be children from across the country who wrote Obama letters after last month’s elementary school shooting in Newtown, Conn., Carney said.

Who is organizing this announcement, Piers Morgan?

Rocks on January 15, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Who is organizing this announcement, Piers Morgan?

Rocks on January 15, 2013 at 3:45 PM

This is a pick-your-fave-lib moment.

Liam on January 15, 2013 at 3:47 PM

Do you know that 1935 America was much worse in term of socialism than 2013 America?… You need to read some history to put things in perspective… FDR was the worst President ever not in term of rhetoric but in term of actions… FDR attempted more power grab than any other President before or after… Obama is only big with his socialist rhetoric but even in this category he was nothing compared to FDR… For certain Obama is nothing but a little amateur in term of actual socialist policies compared to FDR who have implement far more damaging socialist policies than Obama…

But yet we survived FDR and we survived the voters who voted for FDR socialism four times… Not only we survived the SOB but we became the most powerful nation in history of mankind… We will certainly survive an incompetent socialist fool like Obama and his voters… And in the no distant future will be back much stronger than ever before…

mnjg on January 15, 2013 at 3:43 PM

Obamacare was FDR’s wet dream that even he knew wouldn’t pass. Plus name a single social program that FDR passed which has been repealed in its entirety. Just one. And even welfare reform has been unilaterally repealed by this false God of Socialism.

I rest my case.

Myron Falwell on January 15, 2013 at 3:48 PM

but the cake was taken on TRMS by joe biden’s son, the AG of MD…who rattled on and on about the military weapons that were in the hand of civilians. . To quote him….If you want to shoot with that kind of weapon, then join the national guard or something

r keller on January 15, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Unfortunately, Biden’s son is our AG (Delaware, not MD). He failed the Delaware bar like 3 or 4 times before finally passing. Then the idiots here elected him AG, just on his name recognition.

Like dumbass father, like dumbass son.

UltimateBob on January 15, 2013 at 3:48 PM

The guy wants Democrat funding *and* Republican votes so he plays both sides. DC is a shit-eats-shit world, so I can’t say I blame him for being what he is. Plus, he might be a weasel, but he’s not the worst sort.

In any case, why “who needs an automatic weapon” even an argument? I don’t need $3,000/year in rubbers either, and I’m stuck paying for them regardless.

Archivarix on January 15, 2013 at 3:52 PM

Mark Steyn circa 2000…

In the Absence of Guns

Resist We Much on January 15, 2013 at 3:56 PM

If the President King and Congress INFRINGE on the right to bear arms………WHO is the real lawbreaker if you don’t comply?

Ruling class republicans and Democrats should answer that question.

Our God King clearly wants a confrontation and keep in mind…….we’re dealing with a politician that talks about the “safety of the children” that fought giving ANY MEDICAL HELP to a child that survived a botched Abortion.

What a corrupt soul.

PappyD61 on January 15, 2013 at 3:56 PM

mnjg on January 15, 2013 at 3:43 PM

You have been living under FDR “socialism” since you were born and still are. Nothing FDR did was repealed or stopped….it only got bigger and worse.

And the US became the strongest nation after WWII because all the other nations were destroyed by war…it has taken them this long to get where they are.

albill on January 15, 2013 at 3:57 PM

“I believe that you have to have an approach, to where everything is on the table”

Sorry pal, but the Constitution is NOT on the table. I guarantee you that people did not vote last November to shred the 2nd Amendment.

I’ll say it again – I’m all for banning most of these politicians.

TarheelBen on January 15, 2013 at 3:58 PM

But yet we survived FDR and we survived the voters who voted for FDR socialism four times… Not only we survived the SOB but we became the most powerful nation in history of mankind… We will certainly survive an incompetent socialist fool like Obama and his voters… And in the no distant future will be back much stronger than ever before…

mnjg on January 15, 2013 at 3:43 PM

We did not really “survive” FDR. It just took that much time to spend the credit and the potential accumulated by the country before him. We are still busy spending what remains of it.

Archivarix on January 15, 2013 at 3:58 PM

1. DISARM.

2. ENSLAVE.

And now the Brits are even debating “knife control”.

All hail the cowardly gop.

PappyD61 on January 15, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Obamacare was FDR’s wet dream that even he knew wouldn’t pass. Plus name a single social program that FDR passed which has been repealed in its entirety. Just one. And even welfare reform has been unilaterally repealed by this false God of Socialism.

I rest my case.

Myron Falwell on January 15, 2013 at 3:48 PM

Obamacare, despite being a very bad law, is nothing compared to social security… Social security was never repealed… I assume that you know that social security was an FDR invention… During FDR time the tax income rate on the top income was 90%… Read the FDR bill of rights and let me know how amateur is Obama compared to him in term of socialism… Also Medicare and Medicaid created by LBJ and never repealed are far more destructive than Obamacare in its current form… So even LBJ is far worse than Obama in term of socialism…

How much social security cost in 2013? $ 883 billions
How much medicare and medicaid cost in 2013? $ 940 billions…The States also contribute to another $ 300 billion in Medicaid cost…

FDR bill of right: http://www.fdrheritage.org/bill_of_rights.htm

Fderal budget 2013: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_United_States_federal_budget

mnjg on January 15, 2013 at 4:02 PM

This link is beyond belief? I have posted things that many here might suggest ‘I am a nut’ for doing so? The reason I am posting this, true or not, is to give pause and would you think bho/team/feds would do this? And if so, how in the world would they think they could get away with this? It is a 30 min. video to watch if you chose to or not? AS I SAID, true or not?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKDT7XwgMMo
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letget on January 15, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Remember this.

thebrokenrattle on January 15, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Wow…what a lying, two-faced piece of sh!t. He’s pathetic, even for a Democrap.

Jaibones on January 15, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Manchin is just another wormy politician who will bend with the liberal wind.

rplat on January 15, 2013 at 4:13 PM

He does not own them.<If it’s a military-style type thing that was for military use, should it be talked about?> This guy does not know what he’s talking about.

Scherzo442 on January 15, 2013 at 4:14 PM

So the NRA got duped.

tommer74 on January 15, 2013 at 4:16 PM

This link is beyond belief? I have posted things that many here might suggest ‘I am a nut’ for doing so? The reason I am posting this, true or not, is to give pause and would you think bho/team/feds would do this? And if so, how in the world would they think they could get away with this? It is a 30 min. video to watch if you chose to or not? AS I SAID, true or not?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKDT7XwgMMo
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letget on January 15, 2013 at 4:09 PM

I have no idea if it’s true, but I do recall some of the things in that video. I recall seeing on the news that the AR-15 was left in the car, for example, which would nullify the whole argument against “assault” weapons.

I find the whole SH incident very suspicious.

The Rogue Tomato on January 15, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Bought more ammo today. I feel much more in control now.
*Gun control is maintaining a good sight picture.*

annoyinglittletwerp on January 15, 2013 at 4:24 PM

The Republic died in 2008. We are in a rotting corpse of a former representative republic where we have no freedom, no inalienable rights, no protection. We are being targeted for death because we dissent against an evil false God that took over while everyone willingly watched.

We are in 1935 Germany.

Myron Falwell on January 15, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Yeah….but we got to blow some stuff up first.
Blowin stuff up is fun.
Now to reality…
I believe that any EO on the 2nd starts a war.
The Marxists in the WH don’t believe it will happen…that’s why they’re going all in on guns.
If the shootin starts, I fully intend to participate in the reformation of the government of the Republic, based soley on the tenets of the Declaration and the Constitution.
My daddy taught me “one shot, one kill”….and if you run out of those dangerous hi-capacity clips, remember, your enemy is your logistic support officer….he has plenty of guns, clips, and ammo.
Your job is to take his.
III/0317

dirtengineer on January 15, 2013 at 4:26 PM

letget on January 15, 2013 at 4:09 PM

BTW, either the video is faked to make the Emilie Parker Fund page look like it was created on Dec. 14, or Facebook changed the create date to Dec 18.

The wayback machine doesn’t seem to track any of the pages regarding this and other suspicious events where things happen out of logical order. I don’t know if that’s a feature or a bug.

The Rogue Tomato on January 15, 2013 at 4:31 PM

I have a Ruger 10/22 rifle along with a magazine that holds 25 bullets. I believe the democrats would classify this rifle as an assault weapon.

Being that it’s one of the most popular .22 rifles on the market I would step out on a limb and say Manchin owns an assault weapon, or at least what the dems have classified as an assault weapon. Hard to believe this man does not own a simple .22lr Rifle capable of holding more than 10 bullets.

poppieseeds on January 15, 2013 at 4:36 PM

The Rogue Tomato on January 15, 2013 at 4:31 PM

I have no idea if this whole thing is made up or not? But WHY and for WHAT purpose is all I’m wondering? As I said, I haven’t a clue if this is fact or fiction?
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letget on January 15, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Dems pretend to be conservative to fool the voters, then swing left while in office.

sauldalinsky on January 15, 2013 at 3:19 PM

I can also list a number of RINOs doing same. McLame ring a bell? Murkowski? Graham? Boehner? Ryan? Cantor? etc, etc, etc…

riddick on January 15, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Unfortunately, Biden’s son is our AG (Delaware, not MD). He failed the Delaware bar like 3 or 4 times before finally passing. Then the idiots here elected him AG, just on his name recognition.

Like dumbass father, like dumbass son.

UltimateBob on January 15, 2013 at 3:48 PM

Sounds like Beau Biden doesn’t need a paternity test to find out who his father is.

cane_loader on January 15, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Bought more ammo today. I feel much more in control now.
*Gun control is maintaining a good sight picture.*

annoyinglittletwerp on January 15, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Bought a load over the past week, as well as magazines. Some of the last 9mm out there as well as 22LR. Enough for my bank to call me this morning to inquire if the transactions were “legit”.

Hell YES!!!

Waiting for deliveries now.

Judging by how gun and ammo sales are going lately it is obvious that “people want gun control laws”. Same as they did HusseinCare.

riddick on January 15, 2013 at 4:55 PM

I have no idea if this whole thing is made up or not? But WHY and for WHAT purpose is all I’m wondering? As I said, I haven’t a clue if this is fact or fiction?
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letget on January 15, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Due to the shoddy reporting, a huge discrepancy at Sandy Hook has never been investigated:

Some reports insisted that Lanza left the rifle in the car.

Other reports say that the coroner insisted that all he saw were rifle wounds.

Add that to the odd reports of other characters skulking about in the woods, and the whole thing seems unfocused.

cane_loader on January 15, 2013 at 4:57 PM

I have no idea if this whole thing is made up or not? But WHY and for WHAT purpose is all I’m wondering? As I said, I haven’t a clue if this is fact or fiction?
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letget on January 15, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Maybe a mix of both. I think the video assumes nobody was really hurt, which makes the video hard to believe. But we’re talking about an administration that would give guns to criminals in Mexico, knowing they’d be used to kill innocent people.

We’ll probably never know. But I still find the SH incident terribly suspicious.

Government is notoriously sloppy with conspiracies (see long form birth certificate), but nobody seems to care enough to follow up. I was able to confirm at least one support page that was created before December 14. That was in another thread. If anyone could confirm other pages were created before the incident, that would really raise some red flags.

The Rogue Tomato on January 15, 2013 at 4:57 PM

1. DISARM.

2. ENSLAVE.

And now the Brits are even debating “knife control”.

All hail the cowardly gop.

PappyD61 on January 15, 2013 at 3:59 PM

They already have it, to a large extent. Check out the Spyderco catalog, and see all the non-lockable knives they’ve created just for the British and European market. The Brits genius theory apparently being that one has a better chance of surviving a slashing wound versus a puncture wound.

How long before they outlaw ‘pointy sticks?’

CaptFlood on January 15, 2013 at 4:59 PM

riddick on January 15, 2013 at 4:55 PM

I have a revolver, so no magazines for me. I bought a couple of more boxes of ammo, after payday I’ll pick up a few more.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 15, 2013 at 5:00 PM

Bottom line, you can never trust a democrat. You can seldom trust a Republican, but sometimes they will surprise you. A democrat will never pleasantly surprise you, they all revert to fascist statists.

AZfederalist on January 15, 2013 at 5:00 PM

So the NRA got duped.

tommer74 on January 15, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Happens a lot. Even here in Fascist NY they managed to endorse leftist dingbats Kirsten Gillibrand and Bill Owens to name a few.
I’m still a member of the NRA but they often don’t do their homework and are fast and loose with their endorsements.
The NRA should know better than to trust a democrat.

Buttercup on January 15, 2013 at 5:01 PM

And now the Brits are even debating “knife control”.

All hail the cowardly gop.

PappyD61 on January 15, 2013 at 3:59 PM

The UK outlawed the switchblade and gravity knife in 1959.

In 1988, possession of a pocket knife with a blade larger than 3 inches in public became illegal.

In 1996, it became illegal to sell a razor blade to anyone under the age of 16.

In 2007, you needed a licence to be able to sell “non-domestic knives.”

In 2008, a group of doctors called for a total ban on all long, pointed kitchen knives demanding that 17th century French laws decreeing that the tips of kitchen, table and street knives be ground smooth be adopted for both public eateries and in the home.

Gun Bans: Mad Dogs & Englishmen

Resist We Much on January 15, 2013 at 5:03 PM

Bottom line, you can never trust a democrat.

AZfederalist on January 15, 2013 at 5:00 PM

The NRA should know better than to trust a democrat.

Buttercup on January 15, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Heh.

Buttercup on January 15, 2013 at 5:04 PM

Everything’s on the table.
Joe Manchin

Including his principles, his oath to uphold the constitution, the wishes of his constituents…

CaptFlood on January 15, 2013 at 5:04 PM

How long before they outlaw ‘pointy sticks?’

CaptFlood on January 15, 2013 at 4:59 PM

They are already moving on to ban glassware in pubs since ~8,000 stabbings occur in or outside pubs annually. Soon, crockery will be banned, as well.

Resist We Much on January 15, 2013 at 5:05 PM

How long before they outlaw ‘pointy sticks?’

CaptFlood on January 15, 2013 at 4:59 PM

Or fresh fruit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piWCBOsJr-w

Buttercup on January 15, 2013 at 5:09 PM

Or fresh fruit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piWCBOsJr-w

Buttercup on January 15, 2013 at 5:09 PM

I’m a produce clerk. There’s nothing scarier than someone threatening you with a bunch of red grapes!

annoyinglittletwerp on January 15, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Go to hell, Manchin, you f’n fraud.

rayra on January 15, 2013 at 5:25 PM

I’m a produce clerk. There’s nothing scarier than someone threatening you with a bunch of red grapes!

annoyinglittletwerp on January 15, 2013 at 5:15 PM

I can only imagine, especially if they’re not seedless.

Buttercup on January 15, 2013 at 5:27 PM

I can only imagine, especially if they’re not seedless.

Buttercup on January 15, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Great. Now I’m gonna be having nightmares. *wink*

annoyinglittletwerp on January 15, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Soon, crockery will be banned, as well.

Resist We Much on January 15, 2013 at 5:05 PM

Well let’s face, crockery has run rampant over there.

Flange on January 15, 2013 at 5:36 PM

I can only imagine, especially if they’re not seedless.

Buttercup on January 15, 2013 at 5:27 PM

What do you have against vinifera grapes?

riddick on January 15, 2013 at 5:52 PM

This guy is so slippery he could bottle himself and sell it as lube. I can see the commercial now:

President Obama: When I get ready to eff the country, I reach for a bottle of Manchin Lube!

Mr. Arkadin on January 15, 2013 at 5:59 PM

The hidden (and perhaps greater) danger of this whole firearms debate is the comingling of sanity with the right to bear arms.

Controlling the mentally incompetent, the psychiatrically ill and the criminally insane has always predominantly been a psychiatric issue. Controlling access to guns has been a political issue.

Now, access to guns has been subsumed into a larger mental health issue, and so mental health becomes the key to the door of gun ownership, and of the right to bear arms and to protect oneself from tyranny.

We can look forward to some form of psychiatric clearance requirements for all gun purchases and registration. And that places the 2nd Amendment under the management of the health care industry, which the US government has recently taken over. It is not a large leap to be concerned that those who want to maintain their 2nd Amendment rights will now be subject to psychological examinations designed and mandated by government bureaucracy.

So now, in addition to mandating that doctors ask about seat belts, alcohol use, gun ownership and past sexual practices, we can expect doctors to forward to the government social and psychological profiles to determine gun-ownership status.

While this is a far cry from psycho-prisons, it is the same medical-ization of political thought and dissent.

flicker on January 15, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Well let’s face, crockery has run rampant over there.

Flange on January 15, 2013 at 5:36 PM

I know. It’s a crock! /

Resist We Much on January 15, 2013 at 6:17 PM

But yet we survived FDR and we survived the voters who voted for FDR socialism four times… Not only we survived the SOB but we became the most powerful nation in history of mankind… We will certainly survive an incompetent socialist fool like Obama and his voters… And in the no distant future will be back much stronger than ever before…

mnjg on January 15, 2013 at 3:43 PM

..every time Pete Seeger fires up his Vega long-necked Fairbanks and starts singing one of them Woody Guthrie socialist anthems, I want to vomit. That last soliloquy by Ma Joad as Henry Fonda hikes out over the hills in Grapes of Wrath puts me into a coma.

The War Planner on January 15, 2013 at 6:18 PM

Obamacare was FDR’s wet dream…

Myron Falwell on January 15, 2013 at 3:48 PM

I still can’t believe that the government has just mandated not only what questions doctors have to ask their patients (or risk denial of reimbursement) but that this information presumably can be compiled electronically by the US government.

I remember some years ago at my annual physical my new doctor, his face buried in his computer screen, spent the whole visit asking me questions and ticking off boxes. When he asked me if I owned a gun, I asked him why he wanted to know and he said it was a safety issue.

Now that the federal government is becoming the insurer of choice, I can’t imagine that they will not have access to this information.

flicker on January 15, 2013 at 6:33 PM

flicker on January 15, 2013 at 6:10 PM

One of the best comments I’ve ever seen posted here at Hot Air! We have seen how the therapeutic-managerial state redefines questions of morality and justice as questions of health, whether physical or mental. While the initial steps of this process will be to limit gun ownership to a class of people who meet certain mental health criteria, I suspect the end goal is to define the desire to own a weapon as itself a form of mental disease.

Mr. Arkadin on January 15, 2013 at 6:59 PM

You’re sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your bedroom door.
Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled whispers.

At least two people have broken into your house and are moving your way.

With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick up your shotgun.

You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the door and open it.

In the darkness, you make out two shadows.

One holds something that looks like a crowbar.

When the intruder brandishes it as if to strike, you raise the shotgun and fire.

The blast knocks both thugs to the floor.

One writhes and screams while the second man crawls to the front door and lurches outside.

As you pick up the telephone to call police, you know you’re in trouble.

In your country, most guns were outlawed years before, and the few that are privately owned are so stringently regulated as to make them useless..

Yours was never registered.

Police arrive and inform you that the second burglar has died.

They arrest you for First Degree Murder and Illegal Possession of a Firearm.

When you talk to your attorney, he tells you not to worry: authorities will probably plea the case down to manslaughter.

“What kind of sentence will I get?” you ask.

“Only ten-to-twelve years,” he replies, as if that’s nothing.

“Behave yourself, and you’ll be out in seven.”

The next day, the shooting is the lead story in the local newspaper. Somehow, you’re portrayed as an eccentric vigilante while the two men you shot are represented as choirboys.

Their friends and relatives can’t find an unkind word to say about them..

Buried deep down in the article, authorities acknowledge that both “victims” have been arrested numerous times.

But the next day’s headline says it all:
“Lovable Rogue Son Didn’t Deserve to Die.”

The thieves have been transformed from career criminals into Robin Hood-type pranksters..

As the days wear on, the story takes wings.

The national media picks it up, then the international media.

The surviving burglar has become a folk hero.

Your attorney says the thief is preparing to sue you, and he’ll probably win.

The media publishes reports that your home has been burglarized several times in the past and that you’ve been critical of local police for their lack of effort in apprehending the suspects.

After the last break-in, you told your neighbor that you would be prepared next time.

The District Attorney uses this to allege that you were lying in wait for the burglars.

A few months later, you go to trial.

The charges haven’t been reduced, as your lawyer had so confidently predicted.

When you take the stand, your anger at the injustice of it all works against you..

Prosecutors paint a picture of you as a mean, vengeful man.

It doesn’t take long for the jury to convict you of all charges.

The judge sentences you to life in prison.

This case really happened.

On August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk , England , killed one burglar and wounded a second.

In April, 2000, he was convicted and is now serving a life term…

How did it become a crime to defend one’s own life in the once great British Empire ?

It started with the Pistols Act of 1903.

This seemingly reasonable law forbade selling pistols to minors or felons and established that handgun sales were to be made only to those who had a license.
The Firearms Act of 1920 expanded licensing to include not only handguns but all firearms except shotguns..

Later laws passed in 1953 and 1967 outlawed the carrying of any weapon by private citizens and mandated the registration of all shotguns.

Momentum for total handgun confiscation began in earnest after the Hungerfordmass shooting in 1987.

Michael Ryan, a mentally disturbed man with a Kalashnikov rifle, walked down the streets shooting everyone he saw.

When the smoke cleared, 17 people were dead.

The British public, already de-sensitized by eighty years of “gun control”, demanded even tougher restrictions.
(The seizure of all privately owned handguns was the objective even though Ryan used a rifle.)

Nine years later, at Dunblane , Scotland , Thomas Hamilton used a semi-automatic weapon to murder 16 children and a teacher at a public school.

For many years, the media had portrayed all gun owners as mentally unstable, or worse, criminals.
Now the press had a real kook with which to beat up law-abiding gun owners.
Day after day, week after week, the media gave up all pretense of objectivity and demanded a total ban on all handguns.
The Dunblane Inquiry, a few months later, sealed the fate of the few sidearms still owned by private citizens.

During the years in which the British government incrementally took away most gun rights, the notion that a citizen had the right to armed self-defense came to be seen as vigilantism.
Authorities refused to grant gun licenses to people who were threatened, claiming that self-defense was no longer considered a reason to own a gun.
Citizens who shot burglars or robbers or rapists were charged while the real criminals were released.

Indeed, after the Martin shooting, a police spokesman was quoted as saying,
“We cannot have people take the law into their own hands.”

All of Martin’s neighbors had been robbed numerous times,
and several elderly people were severely injured in beatings by young thugs who had no fear of the consequences.
Martin himself, a collector of antiques, had seen most of his collection trashed or stolen by burglars.

When the Dunblane Inquiry ended, citizens who owned handguns were given three months to turn them over to local authorities.

Being good British subjects, most people obeyed the law.
The few who didn’t were visited by police and threatened with ten-year prison sentences if they didn’t comply.

Police later bragged that they’d taken nearly 200,000 handguns from private citizens.

How did the authorities know who had handguns?
The guns had been registered and licensed.
Kind of like cars. Sound familiar?

WAKE UP AMERICA ; THIS IS WHY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS PUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT IN OUR CONSTITUTION.

“…It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people’s minds..”
–Samuel Adams

If you think this is important, please forward to everyone you know.

You had better wake up, because Obama is doing this very same thing, over here, if he can get it done

The UN Small Arms Treaty that Hilary is negotiating would take away our 2nd Amendment rights.

And there are stupid people in congress and on the street that will go right along with him.

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Just remember – the reason the Japanese didn’t invade the USA is because they knew that Most

of the citizens were armed.

Texyank on January 15, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Texyank on January 15, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Not much more that can be said after that. Except that flipping the burden of proof from the state to the individual, and especially, the government using proof of sanity as a permitting criterion for anything, can be applied in all other areas as well.

(I’m not crazy. My mother had me tested.)

flicker on January 15, 2013 at 11:19 PM

So, when the heck are the idiots at NRA (full disclosure: yes, I am a member) going to learn to stop endorsing Democrats in statewide races?

Note to NRA: There is no such thing as a pro-Second Amendment Democrat.

Yes, they may talk a great game about being pro-gun, and may even have a good pro-gun voting record in their previous elected offices.

But, as soon as they get to the national level, and Reid, Pelosi, Obama, etc., tell them to get in line, they will stab you in the back. Every. Single. Time.

Didn’t anyone learn from the Obamacare debacle, when all of the supposedly pro-life “Blue Dog” Democrats suddenly realized that abortion wasn’t really that big of a deal after all?

Hayabusa on January 15, 2013 at 11:44 PM