$50 billion Sandy relief bill somehow passes House with just 49 Republican votes

posted at 8:16 pm on January 15, 2013 by Allahpundit

I remember some consternation in the media a few weeks ago after Boehner split the original $60 billion relief package into two smaller bills that this meant the GOP was going to gut part of it. Absurd. Did anyone seriously believe Boehner et al. would risk more bad press by stripping out the pork after Chris Christie threw a big tantrum about how evil his own party was for even delaying the initial vote?

I hereby retract my skepticism that the GOP leadership collectively has no balls.

Lawmakers in the House of Representatives approved measures Tuesday to send more than $50 billion in aid to the Northeastern states ravaged by Superstorm Sandy last fall, though some conservatives in the House were pushing for spending cuts that would offset the cost of the recovery package…

One of those voted upon – introduced by Rep. Mick Mulvaney of South Carolina – called for all of the Sandy aid funding to be completely counterbalanced by equivalent spending cuts. Previously, emergency aid packages, including several measures funding relief efforts for Hurricane Katrina that hit the Gulf Coast in 2005, have been passed in Congress without matching spending reductions.

The Mulvaney amendment, however, failed to pass the House Tuesday afternoon.

Seventy-one Republicans voted against Mulvaney’s amendment, which was more than enough to bury it with heavy Democratic support. The final bill passed 241-180, with 179 Republicans — nearly four-fifths of the caucus — voting no. There was a lot of chatter last year before the fiscal-cliff vote that Boehner wouldn’t bring bills to the floor that didn’t have the support of a majority of his own caucus (the so-called “Hastert Rule”). Fast-forward a few weeks and he’s now allowing votes on bills that face supermajority opposition from the GOP. Looks like he’s feeling awfully good about his leverage after being reelected Speaker. Presumably tonight’s vote was his way of signaling to the tea partiers in the caucus that, if push comes to shove, he’ll let Democrats pass a debt-ceiling hike with help from Republican centrists too. There’s not much conservative members could do to punish him for that; he already has the worst job in Washington. The cruelest thing they could do to him is elect him to another term.

Update: Among those 49 yes votes, by the way: Eric Cantor and Kevin McCarthy.


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GOP = Whig.

We have had enough.

Time to start a party to replace the GOP.

2010 proved we are the majority. Let’s just all leave the GOP and start a new real Conservative Party. No RINO’s allowed.

Steveangell on January 15, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Frustration was evident on the floor of the House on Friday. “It took only 10 days after Katrina for President Bush to sign $60bn in Katrina aid,” said New Jersey Democratic representative Bill Pascrell. “How dare you come to this floor and make people think everything is OK.”

Um, maybe, that’s because, unlike New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, etc, they were not requesting 100% reimbursement for all damage. They didn’t get the waiver from the Stafford Act, Mr Pascrell.

You know what that is, don’t you? Your President does. It is the law that requires local and state communities to cough up 25 cents of every $1 spent.

Remember when your President screamed this in 2007:

“What’s happening down in New Orleans? Where’s your dollar? Where’s your Stafford Act money?”

Did he and you forget that he voted against a bill that would have waived the Stafford Act and permitted assistance funds be made available to Katrina victims in New Orleans without a 10% contribution?

Did you forget that he made the residents of Joplin, Missouri, kick in 25% of the damage cost as a condition of federal assistance funds?

Why should the Sandy victims get 100% of their damages reimbursed when Katrina and Joplin victims, to name 2, did not?

Resist We Much on January 15, 2013 at 9:05 PM

If Christie is the gop nominee in 2016….I’m sitting next to pookie on the couch

cmsinaz on January 15, 2013 at 8:57 PM

If Christie is the GOP nominee I’m moving to that island with very limited government people were talking about a couple months back.

gophergirl on January 15, 2013 at 9:06 PM

The American people voted for high spending and high taxes (whether they knew they were doing so or not is irrelevant). John Boehner tried to mitigate that with less spending and not-as-high taxes, and the TrueCons opted not to help him achieve this. So we wound up with high spending and high taxes. And you wonder just how everything went so wrong.

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 8:56 PM

So, how’s that “get along and go along” strategy working for the American people, or the Republicans, for that matter? The old “as least we’re not as bad as the Democrats” schtick doesn’t work anymore. Regardless of party, reduced spending and taxes is not in the repertoire. And the taxpayers and good of the nation are irrelevant as the partisans jockey for political power.

obladioblada on January 15, 2013 at 9:07 PM

If they screw up the leverage they hold regarding the debt ceiling…no comment!

Anti-Control on January 15, 2013 at 9:00 PM

they have no leverage… there is absolutely no way that the debt ceiling will not be raised…. and everyone knows it.

equanimous on January 15, 2013 at 9:07 PM

What I want is a solid gold house and a supermodel on each arm. However, I’m not constrained by the delusion that I can acquire these things with the resources I have.

You people expect Boehner to come off an election where we just got our asses kicked (and “conservative candidates” lost by the biggest margins, by the way) and magic that up to getting everything we want. You people need a basic lesson in American elections and representative government.

The American people voted for high spending and high taxes (whether they knew they were doing so or not is irrelevant). John Boehner tried to mitigate that with less spending and not-as-high taxes, and the TrueCons opted not to help him achieve this. So we wound up with high spending and high taxes. And you wonder just how everything went so wrong.

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 8:56 PM

You are an uncreative, excuse-making wimp with terrible leadership qualities – are you aware of this?

Anti-Control on January 15, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Speaking of that recovery….

“We’re going from bad to worse,” said Diane Oakley, executive director of the National Institute on Retirement Security. “Already, fewer private-sector workers have access to stable pension plans. And the savings in individual retirement savings accounts like 401(k) plans — which already are severely underfunded — continue to leak out at a high rate.”

A report due out this week from the financial advisory firm HelloWallet found that more than one in four workers dip into retirement funds to pay their mortgages, credit card debt or other bills. Those in their 40s have been the most likely culprits — one-third are turning to such accounts for relief.

sharrukin on January 15, 2013 at 8:32 PM

The 40-somethings (of which I’m one) figure that their “golden” years are terminally screwed, so many of them (not including me) are living for the moment. Figure in the persistent rumors that whatever is left in 401(k)s and IRAs will be seized to bail out what’s left of union pensions, and boom goes the Acme brand dynamite.

Steve Eggleston on January 15, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Anti-Control on January 15, 2013 at 9:04 PM

I knew I was missing something. I couldn’t quite put my finger on it though. Thanks.

Steve Eggleston on January 15, 2013 at 9:09 PM

GOP = Whig.

We have had enough.

Time to start a party to replace the GOP.

2010 proved we are the majority. Let’s just all leave the GOP and start a new real Conservative Party. No RINO’s allowed.

Steveangell on January 15, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Are you gonna just say it, or actually make it happen?

thebrokenrattle on January 15, 2013 at 9:09 PM

You are an uncreative, excuse-making wimp with terrible leadership qualities – are you aware of this?

Anti-Control on January 15, 2013 at 9:07 PM

However much of that is true, I’m in my right mind and I know that you can’t make one and one equal three, no matter how much you want it to equal three.

And I also know that elections have consequences, which flies right the hell over your head and the head of pretty much everyone else.

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 9:09 PM

The 40-somethings (of which I’m one) figure that their “golden” years are terminally screwed, so many of them (not including me) are living for the moment. Figure in the persistent rumors that whatever is left in 401(k)s and IRAs will be seized to bail out what’s left of union pensions, and boom goes the Acme brand dynamite.

Steve Eggleston on January 15, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Most of the economic figures as bad as they are, are being massaged to look better if that can be believed. The pessimism is understandable and is being ignored.

sharrukin on January 15, 2013 at 9:10 PM

they have no leverage… there is absolutely no way that the debt ceiling will not be raised…. and everyone knows it.

equanimous on January 15, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Only fools who are wont to give in to anxiety believe the GOP has no leverage when it comes to the debt ceiling.

People like you are easily rolled.

Anti-Control on January 15, 2013 at 9:10 PM

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 8:56 PM

You are an uncreative, excuse-making wimp with terrible leadership qualities – are you aware of this?

Anti-Control on January 15, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Wow, I didn’t know Boehner was posting here. :)

arnold ziffel on January 15, 2013 at 9:11 PM

You are an uncreative, excuse-making wimp with terrible leadership qualities – are you aware of this?

Anti-Control on January 15, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Maybe it’s John Boehner? /

sharrukin on January 15, 2013 at 9:11 PM

Anti-Control on January 15, 2013 at 9:10 PM

both parties want the debt ceiling raised right?

equanimous on January 15, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Wow, I didn’t know Boehner was posting here. :)

arnold ziffel on January 15, 2013 at 9:11 PM

Beat me to it.

sharrukin on January 15, 2013 at 9:12 PM

2010 proved we are the majority. Let’s just all leave the GOP and start a new real Conservative Party. No RINO’s allowed.

Steveangell on January 15, 2013 at 9:05 PM

You know, conservatives in New York tried that back in the ’70s. It worked for a grand total of about two years. Now, the New York Conservative Party is known for mainly two things these days – cross-endorsing liberal Republicans, and spoiling two-party races to elect liberal Democrats.

Your idea won’t work.

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 9:12 PM

The TruCons tried really, really hard to replace Boehner. Bwhahahaha. Such amateurs.

tommy71 on January 15, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Anti-Control on January 15, 2013 at 9:00 PM

good point

cmsinaz on January 15, 2013 at 9:13 PM

However much of that is true, I’m in my right mind and I know that you can’t make one and one equal three, no matter how much you want it to equal three.

And I also know that elections have consequences, which flies right the hell over your head and the head of pretty much everyone else.

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 9:09 PM

So, the GOP didn’t win the House?

Your cowardice and arrogance makes me laugh – LOL@you!

Anti-Control on January 15, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Now, the New York Conservative Party is known for mainly two things these days – cross-endorsing liberal Republicans, and spoiling two-party races to elect liberal Democrats.

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 9:12 PM

So they’re typical Republicans then.

sharrukin on January 15, 2013 at 9:14 PM

OT – this is funny

http://www.youtube.com/embed/vsVCHE7ayPE?rel=0

gophergirl on January 15, 2013 at 9:14 PM

The only good in all of this, is that in the end…

… gravity always wins.

Seven Percent Solution on January 15, 2013 at 9:14 PM

JPeterman on January 15, 2013 at 9:00 PM

you got it

:)

cmsinaz on January 15, 2013 at 9:14 PM

And I also know that elections have consequences, which flies right the hell over your head and the head of pretty much everyone else.

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 9:09 PM

In case you missed it, the Republicans won the House in the last election. They were not sent there to rubber stamp whatever Obama wants or have a Speaker, who is willing to pass bills with a coalition of moderate Republicans and the Democratic caucus.

If you think that the 2012 election had consequences, just wait until you get a load of the consequences from the 2014 election if Boehner continues to act like a doormat.

If you liked Obama’s first two years, you’ll LOVE his last two because they will be the real deal. 2009/10 were just hors d’oeuvres.

Resist We Much on January 15, 2013 at 9:15 PM

canopfor on January 15, 2013 at 9:03 PM

oh yeah

cmsinaz on January 15, 2013 at 9:16 PM

Since we know the Republicans are incapable of doing the right thing, I’m ready for a national conservative movement. Step 1 – continue to buy guns and ammo. Step 2 – broadcast nationally a date whereby all conservatives pull all investments including retirement investments out of the market. Step 3 – watch the market tank. Step 4 – sit on your porch with all your purchases from step 1 while watching on the tube all of the liberals in urban areas riot due to large losses from the tanked market. If any of those crazed libs tries to enter your abode, show them how your purchases from step 1 work.

Until or unless conservatives are willing to actually do something, nothing will change. I’ve already gotten through steps 1 & 2 (didn’t need an agreed upon date–did it anyway). Would be nice to see the other steps completed.

texasmagnolia on January 15, 2013 at 9:17 PM

And I also know that elections have consequences, which flies right the hell over your head and the head of pretty much everyone else.

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 9:09 PM

Elections do have consequences, but something tells me you’d be quite upset if Republicans from safe red districts that voted yes face a primary challenge the next go around. Maybe their more conservative constituents will demonstrate some of those consequences in the next election.

aryeung on January 15, 2013 at 9:17 PM

Don’t they at least want to try and barter a better deal before they tuck tail and run?

Bishop on January 15, 2013 at 9:18 PM

The only good in all of this, is that in the end…

… gravity always wins.

Seven Percent Solution on January 15, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Seven Percent Solution:Oh man,that can be read,in many way,haha!:)

canopfor on January 15, 2013 at 9:18 PM

Wow, I didn’t know Boehner was posting here. :)

arnold ziffel on January 15, 2013 at 9:11 PM

Beat me to it.

sharrukin on January 15, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Seconds count :-)

Steve Eggleston on January 15, 2013 at 9:19 PM

Hell, just mint the damn platinum coins and get it over with. Make the dollar worthless and spend it by the truckloads.

I wonder if China will accept them in lieu of dollars?

Fallon on January 15, 2013 at 9:19 PM

Resist We Much on January 15, 2013 at 9:15 PM

We lost seats in the House in the last election. We lost the presidency. And the Democrats managed to pick up seats in the Senate in a year in which, by the bare numbers game, we should have won handily. Now, I don’t care who you think is responsible for that outcome. But you’re not going to assert that we had any kind of advantage going in to this year and not be called on it.

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 9:20 PM

texasmagnolia on January 15, 2013 at 9:17 PM

Step 1 is important, all the rest of the steps are approaching on their own as we speak, it’s just a matter of waiting until it all happens in real time.

I haven’t bought jack or shiite that wasn’t on the “absolutely necessary” list since January 1st, they will get no more of my money.

Bishop on January 15, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Don’t they at least want to try and barter a better deal before they tuck tail and run?

Bishop on January 15, 2013 at 9:18 PM

No; they just want to show their new ObamiNation 2.0 Flexibility.

Steve Eggleston on January 15, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Elections do have consequences, but something tells me you’d be quite upset if Republicans from safe red districts that voted yes face a primary challenge the next go around. Maybe their more conservative constituents will demonstrate some of those consequences in the next election.

aryeung on January 15, 2013 at 9:17 PM

I don’t care what happens in the primaries for those congressmen. Given the circumstances and the current state of affairs, however, I’d be genuinely surprised if more than one of those congressmen lost his/her seat to the unemployed activists who will surely be fielded against them.

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 9:22 PM

…what’s with that piture of Boneer!…he have a pube between his lips he’s afraid of losing?

KOOLAID2 on January 15, 2013 at 9:22 PM

And I also know that elections have consequences, which flies right the hell over your head and the head of pretty much everyone else.

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 9:09 PM

You also apparently fail to realize just how fkn upset we are after seeing republicans cave year after year on pretty much everything. “Oh don’t upset this group, that group, reach across the aisle.”

The end is near for the GOP aka PeePeeParty. And don’t think that is just “crazy talk” either.

arnold ziffel on January 15, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Hell, just mint the damn platinum coins and get it over with. Make the dollar worthless and spend it by the truckloads.

I wonder if China will accept them in lieu of dollars?

Fallon on January 15, 2013 at 9:19 PM

The ChiComs will demand bluebacks.

Steve Eggleston on January 15, 2013 at 9:23 PM

Don’t they at least want to try and barter a better deal before they tuck tail and run?

Bishop on January 15, 2013 at 9:18 PM

I suspect the only bartering that went on was who has to vote for the deal and who gets a free pass for political reasons, not to vote for it. They are mostly fine with the deal itself, including a lot who voted no.

sharrukin on January 15, 2013 at 9:23 PM

The end is near for the GOP aka PeePeeParty. And don’t think that is just “crazy talk” either.

arnold ziffel on January 15, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Goodness gracious. After that wildly successful coup attempt on Boehner, I’m going to be biting right through my fingernails in anxious anticipation of the Great True Conservative Revival.

Christine O’Donnell for President 2016!

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 9:26 PM

@sharrukin Very true.

tommy71 on January 15, 2013 at 9:27 PM

We lost seats in the House in the last election. We lost the presidency. And the Democrats managed to pick up seats in the Senate in a year in which, by the bare numbers game, we should have won handily. Now, I don’t care who you think is responsible for that outcome. But you’re not going to assert that we had any kind of advantage going in to this year and not be called on it.

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 9:20 PM

Your party still kept the House or is your skull so thick that facts are incapable of penetrating it?

Obama didn’t win with as many votes as he did in 2008 and actually won by a smaller margin (EVs, states, and percentage) in 2008, but has that stopped him from screaming that he has a mandate?

No.

So, the GOP didn’t win like they did in 2010. Bigf^ckingdeal. They still won the House. Own the power or relinquish the right to it.

Stop being a pu$$y. I DESPISE weak and whiny men. If you are incapable of owning your own power, then get out of the way. Maybe, the female Democrats are right. Perhaps, the problem in Washington IS too many men (although they claim it is too much testosterone)…too many neutered men.

I’ve got bigger balls than most of the so-called “men” in the GOP. Maggie Thatcher would DESTROY “men” like you.

Resist We Much on January 15, 2013 at 9:27 PM

canopfor on January 15, 2013 at 9:03 PM

oh yeah

cmsinaz on January 15, 2013 at 9:16 PM

cmsinaz:)

canopfor on January 15, 2013 at 9:27 PM

Lol. The usual angry nonentity hotair posters bi3ching their a$$es off as usual. It must be painful to see your 2010 tea party heroes selling you off like a fake gucci bag.

HotAirLib on January 15, 2013 at 9:28 PM

Christine O’Donnell for President 2016!

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 9:26 PM

Nope, never said we would take over at all. Good luck being a successful party though when you lose many of your former voters.

arnold ziffel on January 15, 2013 at 9:28 PM

OT – this is funny

http://www.youtube.com/embed/vsVCHE7ayPE?rel=0

gophergirl on January 15, 2013 at 9:14 PM

gophergirl:Lol,good one!:)

canopfor on January 15, 2013 at 9:29 PM

Lol. The usual angry nonentity hotair posters bi3ching their a$$es off as usual. It must be painful to see your 2010 tea party heroes selling you off like a fake gucci bag.

HotAirLib on January 15, 2013 at 9:28 PM

No we like pain and misery. Now go hold your hand and play like it’s a girlfriend.

arnold ziffel on January 15, 2013 at 9:30 PM

The only good in all of this, is that in the end…

… gravity always wins.

Seven Percent Solution on January 15, 2013 at 9:14 PM

This is true, I have almost been killed by gravity several times and I am hoping that this is not the time it does…

Reality Checker on January 15, 2013 at 9:30 PM

Personally I like the fact that “TrueCons” were unable to force Boehner to tack right, and why, because having demorats and demorat-lites running the show will put America back on track. TrueCons need to shut up and sit down.

Bishop on January 15, 2013 at 9:30 PM

83% of 2013′s new revenue was spent today. And, since there won’t be a budget from democrats, I guess we’ll just add this to the baseline.

BKeyser on January 15, 2013 at 8:59 PM

Don’t forget that $60 billion is based on static analysis, and will more like be closer to $30 billion in actuality, meaning they are already burning into 2014 new revenue.

Party On!!!!!

can_con on January 15, 2013 at 9:30 PM

I don’t care what happens in the primaries for those congressmen. Given the circumstances and the current state of affairs, however, I’d be genuinely surprised if more than one of those congressmen lost his/her seat to the unemployed activists who will surely be fielded against them.

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 9:22 PM

You sure say you don’t care about a lot; yet, here you are defending Republicans that voted yes.

aryeung on January 15, 2013 at 9:30 PM

Lol. The usual angry nonentity hotair posters bi3ching their a$$es off as usual. It must be painful to see your 2010 tea party heroes selling you off like a fake gucci bag.

HotAirLib on January 15, 2013 at 9:28 PM

And, what heroes, pray tell, would those be?

Please don’t tell me that you think Boehner, Cantor, et al, were “2010 tea party heroes.”

**eyeroll**

Resist We Much on January 15, 2013 at 9:31 PM

You know, conservatives in New York tried that back in the ’70s. It worked for a grand total of about two years. Now, the New York Conservative Party is known for mainly two things these days – cross-endorsing liberal Republicans, and spoiling two-party races to elect liberal Democrats.

Your idea won’t work.

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 9:12 PM

So you’re saying we should keep the current system in place?

Or do you have a magic elixir that will turn Speaker BOHICA into an actual leader instead of this worthless spray-tan paper tiger with a glass jaw?

The GOP is deliberately trying to marginalize the conservative wing and force them out. It fits with the Democrats ultimate dream of extermination of all conservatives, period.

Myron Falwell on January 15, 2013 at 9:31 PM

Maggie Thatcher would DESTROY “men” like you.

Resist We Much on January 15, 2013 at 9:27 PM

Margaret Thatcher was done in by the very same strategy that you’re proposing: going against public opinion without the political strength to back it up. Again, like it or not, the American people voted for high spending and high taxes. Their reasons for doing so are irrelevant.

If you crack open a book every now and again, read about the epic failure of the Community Charge and how it turned the Iron Lady into a pariah even within her own party, leading eventually to a rollback of even her most successful fiscal policies. Maybe then you’ll stop invoking her name in service of suicidal charges.

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 9:32 PM

OT – this is funny

http://www.youtube.com/embed/vsVCHE7ayPE?rel=0

gophergirl on January 15, 2013 at 9:14 PM

gophergirl:Lol,good one!:)

canopfor on January 15, 2013 at 9:29 PM

I needed a laugh.

arnold ziffel on January 15, 2013 at 9:32 PM

No we like pain and misery. Now go hold your hand and play like it’s a girlfriend.

arnold ziffel on January 15, 2013 at 9:30 PM

Palmira probably should shave first.

Resist We Much on January 15, 2013 at 9:32 PM

If Christie is the gop nominee in 2016….I’m sitting next to pookie on the couch

cmsinaz on January 15, 2013 at 8:57 PM

If Christie is the 2016 GOP nominee, it will be the end of the GOP.

bw222 on January 15, 2013 at 9:33 PM

You know, conservatives in New York tried that back in the ’70s. It worked for a grand total of about two years. Now, the New York Conservative Party is known for mainly two things these days – cross-endorsing liberal Republicans, and spoiling two-party races to elect liberal Democrats.

Your idea won’t work.

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 9:12 PM

There was no reason to do that in the 70′s especially in a blue state like NY.

2010 Conservative Tea Party gave John the gavel and huge GOP gains nationwide.

2012 GOPe abandoned conservatism and gave Odumbo a second term.

1856 Lincoln won as a GOP and the Whig Party was gone just a footnote in history.

We are far closer to 1856 than the isolated 70 incident. Nationwide Conservatives are screaming why bother with the GOP that just uses us then ignores us in DC. It is dime the GOP go the way of the Whig Party.

In addition we won big in 2000 with a Conservative Message. 1994 with a Conservative Message. But each time the GOP elite ignored the people and each time we quickly lost seats. However Conservatives did well in 2012 at the State level where they had Conservative choices.

The people have spoken loudly and the message is. GOP put it where the sun don’t shine. Establishment we want nothing to do with you.

Steveangell on January 15, 2013 at 9:33 PM

arnold ziffel on January 15, 2013 at 9:30 PM

Palmira probably should shave first.

Resist We Much on January 15, 2013 at 9:32 PM

ha ha. :)

arnold ziffel on January 15, 2013 at 9:34 PM

So you’re saying we should keep the current system in place?

Myron Falwell on January 15, 2013 at 9:31 PM

Now, I don’t care

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 9:20 PM

I don’t care what happens

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 9:22 PM

I know, a little unfair.

aryeung on January 15, 2013 at 9:34 PM

The final bill passed 241-180, with 179 Republicans — nearly four-fifths of the caucus — voting no.

How can you be the majority leader if you’re not the leader of the majority?

(Also looking at you, Eric Cantor and Kevin McCarthy. As well as your other assorted “leadership” toadies.)

bofh on January 15, 2013 at 9:34 PM

Lol. The usual angry nonentity hotair posters bi3ching their a$$es off as usual. It must be painful to see your 2010 tea party heroes selling you off like a fake gucci bag.

HotAirLib on January 15, 2013 at 9:28 PM

And, what heroes, pray tell, would those be?

Please don’t tell me that you think Boehner, Cantor, et al, were “2010 tea party heroes.”

**eyeroll**

Resist We Much on January 15, 2013 at 9:31 PM

The likes of BOHICA and Cantor lucked into their leadership positions. They had nothing to do with the Tea Party, they openly hate the Tea Party, and BOHICA forced out Tea Party-aligned congressmen from leadership positions.

Speaker BOHICA is as much an embarrassment to Ohio as Sherrod Brown, Bob Taft, Dennis Kucinich and the 1999-era Cleveland Browns.

Myron Falwell on January 15, 2013 at 9:35 PM

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 9:32 PM

Oh, lookie here, KingGold is going to give me a lesson on the political career of a great friend of my grandmother’s. Lolz.

Again, Thatcher would DESTROY you.

Again, like it or not, the American people voted for high spending and high taxes.

They did and they should have gotten all of it on 1 January 2013, but your “reach-’round” friends made a deal to save the American voter from himself.

Brilliant.

Resist We Much on January 15, 2013 at 9:35 PM

Lol. The usual angry nonentity hotair posters bi3ching their a$$es off as usual. It must be painful to see your 2010 tea party heroes selling you off like a fake gucci bag.

HotAirLib on January 15, 2013 at 9:28 PM

So how is that whole warrentless wiretapping thing going these days, Barky stopped that mess, right, sometime after closing Gitmo and bringing all the troops home from the mideast I believe.

Wait…you actually believed the Dog Eater when he told you that Rolex is actually spelled Rrolex?

Bishop on January 15, 2013 at 9:35 PM

In addition we won big in 2000 with a Conservative Message.

Steveangell on January 15, 2013 at 9:33 PM

Gee, that’s funny, because I could swear that George W. Bush specifically campaigned against small-government conservatism, preferring instead “compassionate conservatism” in which government spending would be used to assist the poor.

Unless, of course, you’re now going to present George W. Bush as a paragon of Reaganite conservatism, in which case let’s hear it.

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 9:38 PM

To paraphrase the Baroness, “the trouble with you, KingGold, is that your spine does not reach your brain.”

Resist We Much on January 15, 2013 at 9:38 PM

In addition we won big in 2000 with a Conservative Message.

Steveangell on January 15, 2013 at 9:33 PM

“Compassionate conservatism” and I don’t know how you can call 2000 “winning big” when the election came down to hanging chads in three Florida counties.

Resist We Much on January 15, 2013 at 9:39 PM

So you’re saying we should keep the current system in place?

Myron Falwell on January 15, 2013 at 9:31 PM

Now, I don’t care

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 9:20 PM

I don’t care what happens

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 9:22 PM

I know, a little unfair.

aryeung on January 15, 2013 at 9:34 PM

FTW.

Myron Falwell on January 15, 2013 at 9:41 PM

Resist We Much on January 15, 2013 at 9:35 PM

I don’t get it. Are you suggesting that because you have a personal connection to Margaret Thatcher that you’re somehow qualified to fabricate the circumstances of her political downfall? Or ignore them? Or suggest that I’m wrong in comparing the ill-advised Community Charge to shutting down the government and delaying entitlement payments?

Because if so, why even then should I believe you? I can say that I’m Ronald Reagan’s second cousin three times removed and it will mean just as much. And if that even were true, I wouldn’t be possessed of the hubris to make me think that I’d be more qualified to discuss conservatism than some other Joe Schmoe.

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 9:43 PM

And you wonder just how everything went so wrong.

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 8:56 PM

No, not me, its as clear as the comments on all these pages.

Bmore on January 15, 2013 at 9:49 PM

Because if so, why even then should I believe you? I can say that I’m Ronald Reagan’s second cousin three times removed and it will mean just as much. And if that even were true, I wouldn’t be possessed of the hubris to make me think that I’d be more qualified to discuss conservatism than some other Joe Schmoe.

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 9:43 PM

Considering that Reagan’s adopted son grew up to be conservative, and his ACTUAL son became a hardcore Socialist, I fail to see your point.

Myron Falwell on January 15, 2013 at 9:50 PM

Considering that Reagan’s adopted son grew up to be conservative, and his ACTUAL son became a hardcore Socialist, I fail to see your point.

Myron Falwell on January 15, 2013 at 9:50 PM

Actually, you saw my point quite clearly. Having a personal connection to a conservative exemplar doesn’t make you a “better” conservative or make you more qualified to discuss conservative perspectives. I don’t believe somebody has any sort of advantage unless there was some kind of confidence, or they were privy to information that no one else has.

But it’s the Internet, so it’s not like anyone would believe someone even if they made a claim like that.

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 9:56 PM

Are you suggesting that because you have a personal connection to Margaret Thatcher that you’re somehow qualified to fabricate the circumstances of her political downfall? Or ignore them? Or suggest that I’m wrong in comparing the ill-advised Community Charge to shutting down the government and delaying entitlement payments?

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 9:43 PM

Yes, you are wrong to compare the ill-advised Community Charge to “shutting down the government and delaying entitlement payments” considering the fact that the Treasury takes in enough revenue on a monthly basis to pay debt service, entitlements and pay the military. If entitlement cheques were delayed, it would not be the fault of the Republicans. It would be the result of a calculated choice by President Barack Obama since he is, under Federal law, directed to pay debt service first and then prioritise payments thereafter.

Because if so, why even then should I believe you? I can say that I’m Ronald Reagan’s second cousin three times removed and it will mean just as much. And if that even were true, I wouldn’t be possessed of the hubris to make me think that I’d be more qualified to discuss conservatism than some other Joe Schmoe.

Your claim would be irrelevant. I was the one, who brought up Lady Thatcher. You believe that all of her work was undone by the Community Charge. It wasn’t. Did it hurt her politically? Yes. Did it hurt the Tories? Not so much since they remained in power for 7 more years and were certainly stronger in the 1990s than they are under Cameron.

My point about Thatcher remains true. She did not succeed for as long as she did by being Gordon Brown or even John Major.

You can believe whatever you want, but your defeatist attitude will ensure that your party returns to rump status indefinitely.

You say that elections have consequences. I agree. Now, just answer these three questions:

Were there not 535 races for Congressional districts in November, 2012?

Did not Republicans win the majority of them?

If you answered “yes” to both, how can you say that Republicans “lost” in November when they did win the House?

Resist We Much on January 15, 2013 at 9:58 PM

We really need to start picking our candidates now, and keep them from preempting us.

Iblis on January 15, 2013 at 9:58 PM

and “conservative candidates” lost by the biggest margins, by the way

KingGold I’m guessing you live in the NE and think you’ll do well with the pork. To counter you argument I offer Ted Cruz. And no, I never considered Steve King a conservative. A somewhat reliable social vote but never there on fiscal issues.

DanMan on January 15, 2013 at 9:59 PM

Actually, you saw my point quite clearly. Having a personal connection to a conservative exemplar doesn’t make you a “better” conservative or make you more qualified to discuss conservative perspectives. I don’t believe somebody has any sort of advantage unless there was some kind of confidence, or they were privy to information that no one else has.

But it’s the Internet, so it’s not like anyone would believe someone even if they made a claim like that.

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 9:56 PM

Where did I claim that having a personal connection to Mrs Thatcher made me a “better” conservative?

The fact that you even wrote something as STUPID as that shows how little you know about me because there is one thing that I will NEVER write and that is:

“I’m a conservative” – better, worse, mediocre, tepid, yellow-bellied, compassionate, or any other adjective that is used to describe conservatives.

But, like you said, it’s the internet and it isn’t like I have failed to write about my Thatcher connection in the past or the fact that I was a conservative for only ONE YEAR IN MY ENTIRE LIFE…and that was when I was 10…and Lady Thatcher was in No 10…and I was growing up in London…and the year was 1988…and rock stars wore make-up and glitter.

Resist We Much on January 15, 2013 at 10:04 PM

Brilliant, evil Obama, has fractured the republicrat party.
Tomorrow guns, surrounded by children for 3D effect.
Then, 30 million plus illegals get amnesty & swell the demon party.
2014 has all 4 branches (Judicial, executive, house, senate) under marxist control.
Obama gets term limits removed from his Presidency.
President for life.
IS THERE ANYTHING WE HAVE TO LOOK FORWARD TO?!?

Is anyone surprised that the republicrat house voted for $60 billion of pork?
This is all very sickening, the trashing of our great Nation right before our eyes.

Belle on January 15, 2013 at 10:04 PM

Gee, that’s funny, because I could swear that George W. Bush specifically campaigned against small-government conservatism, preferring instead “compassionate conservatism” in which government spending would be used to assist the poor.

Unless, of course, you’re now going to present George W. Bush as a paragon of Reaganite conservatism, in which case let’s hear it.

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 9:38 PM

In none of those years was the message screw the poor moron.

He hardly campaigned on increasing Government either. He was hardly 100% what Conservatives wanted but his message was very Conservative after all he hired Ted Cruz to carry it. Was it all a lie. Absolutely he really was all for the same things Al Gore was for in reality. He got the party to shift more and more to the left losing more and more seats in the process. Finally his job was done and he gave all of Government filibuster proof to Odumbo.

GW Bush is exactly what is wrong with the GOP but he in fact ran on a Conservative message in 2000 and 2004 he was just big time lying. He single handedly destroyed the GOP.

Steveangell on January 15, 2013 at 10:05 PM

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Oh dang, let’s all just all give up and accept the decisions our betters in DC make for us, then.

obladioblada on January 15, 2013 at 10:09 PM

KingGold I’m guessing you live in the NE and think you’ll do well with the pork. To counter you argument I offer Ted Cruz. And no, I never considered Steve King a conservative. A somewhat reliable social vote but never there on fiscal issues.

DanMan on January 15, 2013 at 9:59 PM

I live in New York State, yes, but nowhere near a Sandy-affected site, so the pork is meaningless to me, even to grease the wheels. But Christie, execrable jackhole he is, saw which way the winds were blowing and forced our hand.

And Ted Cruz, like Marco Rubio, is a sterling example of a conservative candidate who is also politically aware. Had he lost in a state as red as Texas, we’d be writing the Tea Party’s epitaph right about now. The fact that he won doesn’t really speak to me as an extraordinary success of the Tea Party. It’s just a crying shame that the Tea Party has produced far more Senate candidates that hew closer to Christine O’Donnell than to Ted Cruz. And the citizens of Delaware, Colorado, Nevada, Alaska, Indiana, and Missouri are far the worse off for it.

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 10:11 PM

AMAZING!

Now the Democrats will crow how they were the ones who helped all the victims of Sandy.
Can’t the GOP get anything right?

JayMac1 on January 15, 2013 at 10:13 PM

Belle on January 15, 2013 at 10:04 PM

Its surreal isn’t it? How has this happened? The media going full propaganda mode, becoming fully exposed, and not caring to put up a front anymore and hence becoming more powerfull? The Republican establishment having their pants pulled down, becoming fully exposed, and not caring to put up a front anymore and hence becoming less powerfull?

Obama is in full communist dictator mode and nobody freakin cares. Instead, the plan seems to be to give him the keys to the castle and simply watch as the revolution is completed, so that atleast the majority of republicans can keep their dirty DC jobs.

KMav on January 15, 2013 at 10:18 PM

I’ll give you this much Establishment types think pretty highly of themselves considering they helped build this massive governmental mess.

Bmore on January 15, 2013 at 10:18 PM

It’s just a crying shame that the Tea Party has produced far more Senate candidates that hew closer to Christine O’Donnell than to Ted Cruz. And the citizens of Delaware, Colorado, Nevada, Alaska, Indiana, and Missouri are far the worse off for it.

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 10:11 PM

Most people lost the first time they run for Senate. Tons of GOP elite candidates lost every cycle. But only Tea Party candidates that lose are ever mentioned. Part of the GOP elite plan to destroy conservatives.

Steveangell on January 15, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Now the Democrats will crow how they were the ones who helped all the victims of Sandy.
Can’t the GOP get anything right?

JayMac1 on January 15, 2013 at 10:13 PM

Oh puh-leez. Maybe we should have porked it up some more and declared victory? What do you not understand about only $17 million of a $50 million “Sandy” appropriation actually going to Sandy relief?

obladioblada on January 15, 2013 at 10:19 PM

Days like this makes me extremely happy to be a Libertarian. Never casting another vote for a Republican.

Panther on January 15, 2013 at 10:20 PM

Hastert rule!

rdbrewer on January 15, 2013 at 10:22 PM

Obama is in full communist dictator mode and nobody freakin cares. Instead, the plan seems to be to give him the keys to the castle and simply watch as the revolution is completed, so that atleast the majority of republicans can keep their dirty DC jobs.

KMav on January 15, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Tons of people care.

But you will NOT find any of them in the GOP leadership. The GOP elite (really Democrat double agents) have taken complete control of the party. Their plan is complete so they have no reason to hide any more. In their mind they have won.

They will win too if we do not start a new Tea Party and abandon the GOP. But it is no more too late than it was in 1850 when the GOP first became a Party.

Steveangell on January 15, 2013 at 10:22 PM

Obama is in full communist dictator mode and nobody freakin cares. Instead, the plan seems to be to give him the keys to the castle and simply watch as the revolution is completed, so that atleast the majority of republicans can keep their dirty DC jobs.

KMav on January 15, 2013 at 10:18 PM

What’s funny but not is that we are fixin to experience Venezuela. The good thing is we don’t have to learn Spanish—ok, I take that back, I’m in Caleefornia.

arnold ziffel on January 15, 2013 at 10:25 PM

Well at least I had you pegged KingGold. A repub in NY is typically to the left of a 4 year old girl in Texas. We’ll never agree because we aren’t whipped like you are, yet. What local do you work for? Carry on squid.

DanMan on January 15, 2013 at 10:27 PM

Is it not obvious that he’s going to land on the grenade, pass the debt ceiling, and then let a new speaker negotiate the spending cuts when the sequester runs out in two months, which is really where the play is going to have to be made?

cpaulus on January 15, 2013 at 10:28 PM

Well at least I had you pegged KingGold. A repub in NY is typically to the left of a 4 year old girl in Texas. We’ll never agree because we aren’t whipped like you are, yet. What local do you work for? Carry on squid.

DanMan on January 15, 2013 at 10:27 PM

ROFLMAO—a little harsh though. KingGold is problematic but there are way worse RINOs

arnold ziffel on January 15, 2013 at 10:31 PM

arnold ziffel on January 15, 2013 at 10:25 PM

The amnesty-citizenship thing is pure suicidal. Its the best evidence I can think of that these republicans don’t actually care about republicans.

KMav on January 15, 2013 at 10:31 PM

HotAirLib on January 15, 2013 at 9:28 PM

No we like pain and misery. Now go hold your hand and play like it’s a girlfriend.

arnold ziffel on January 15, 2013 at 9:30 PM

…I don’t call it HotLips for nothing!…I think its double jointed!

KOOLAID2 on January 15, 2013 at 10:32 PM

Count me as one who thought Boehner attempted to play the fiscal cliff vote right, HOWEVER this is a total screw up. How do you not get a bill with at least the pork removed?

Tater Salad on January 15, 2013 at 10:36 PM

Well at least I had you pegged KingGold. A repub in NY is typically to the left of a 4 year old girl in Texas. We’ll never agree because we aren’t whipped like you are, yet. What local do you work for? Carry on squid.

DanMan on January 15, 2013 at 10:27 PM

Listen, friend. The fact that I come from New York gives me the perspective that you lack. My friends, family and neighbors are not receptive to conservative ideas and thought. I have to explain it to them. You, apparently, get to take the easy way out and just assert them without challenge. The last Obama zombie you probably encountered was the Obama Phone Lady on Youtube.

I will always be more informed than you are because I can accept that liberalism is pervasive in this country, and cracking its allure and temptation is a task that lesser men are just not suited to perform. If that invites mockery of my conservative bona fides, so be it.

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 10:36 PM

Oh man,that can be read,in many way,haha!:)

canopfor on January 15, 2013 at 9:18 PM

True…

… but we are either going to get serious about the debt, or it is all going to come crashing down.

Don’t worry though…

… Oblahblah has Secret Service protection for life.

All is well…

/

Seven Percent Solution on January 15, 2013 at 10:38 PM

I will always be more informed than you are because I can accept that liberalism is pervasive in this country, and cracking its allure and temptation is a task that lesser men are just not suited to perform.

Lesser men? Is liberal elitism a part of your conservative bona fides?

If that invites mockery of my conservative bona fides, so be it.

KingGold on January 15, 2013 at 10:36 PM

Why don’t you tell us about them? Start with your social conservative bona fides, because your fiscal ones seem more token than real.

sharrukin on January 15, 2013 at 10:42 PM

GOP leadership

?

Really? The two terms are mutually exclusive.

socalcon on January 15, 2013 at 10:45 PM

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