Paul Ryan: I support Marco Rubio on immigration

posted at 8:11 pm on January 14, 2013 by Allahpundit

What’s the most interesting part of this? That he’s reaching out to touch a third-rail issue, or that he’s ducking behind one of his biggest rivals for the 2016 nomination to do it?

Go figure that a guy who was part of a ticket that lost by nearly 50 points among Latinos is eager to rehab on immigration:

Senator Rubio is exactly right on the need to fix our broken immigration system. I support the principles he’s outlined: modernization of our immigration laws; stronger security to curb illegal immigration; and respect for the rule of law in addressing the complex challenge of the undocumented population. Our future depends on an immigration system that works.

He’s not just paying lip service to the issue. Dem Rep. Luis Gutierrez, who once said that his only loyalty is to the immigrant community, met with Ryan last month to talk immigration and had encouraging things to say:

“What we did was just kind of catch up,” Gutierrez told me. Ryan and Gutierrez decided they want to “explore opportunities to work together.” Gutierrez, one of the House leaders on immigration issues — who has kept constant pressure on President Barack Obama to do more — is crossing the aisle as Republicans need very much to woo the fast growing number of Hispanic voters — who in large part rejected the Romney/Ryan ticket…

Not well known, Gutierrez noted, is that he and Ryan share some history: In 2005, Ryan was a co-sponsor of bipartisan and bi-cameral comprehensive immigration reform legislation carried in the House by Gutierrez and Rep. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.). “It wasn’t like it was a long line of Republicans supporting it. He’s always supported immigration reform,” Gutierrez said.

The inspiration for Ryan’s Facebook post is the glowing WSJ piece over the weekend heralding Rubio’s “charge up the middle” on immigration. But Mark Krikorian’s right: There’s little difference between Rubio’s basic principles for reform and the principles laid out by the White House in that recent NYT piece about their big upcoming push for an immigration bill. Here’s Rubio:

Politically hardest is the question of the up to 12 million illegals currently here. Mr. Rubio’s proposal allows for adults who overstayed their visa or sneaked in to come into the open.

“Here’s how I envision it,” he says. “They would have to come forward. They would have to undergo a background check.” Anyone who committed a serious crime would be deported. “They would be fingerprinted,” he continues. “They would have to pay a fine, pay back taxes, maybe even do community service. They would have to prove they’ve been here for an extended period of time. They understand some English and are assimilated. Then most of them would get legal status and be allowed to stay in this country.”

Legal status could lead to citizenship eventually, although Rubio doesn’t specify how long eventually might be. Now here’s the White House plan:

The White House will argue that its solution for illegal immigrants is not an amnesty, as many critics insist, because it would include fines, the payment of back taxes and other hurdles for illegal immigrants who would obtain legal status, the officials said.

The president’s plan would also impose nationwide verification of legal status for all newly hired workers; add visas to relieve backlogs and allow highly skilled immigrants to stay; and create some form of guest-worker program to bring in low-wage immigrants in the future.

As I recall, the bills championed by Bush and McCain six years ago also had provisions about fines, back taxes, etc. Any comprehensive plan has to: An unconditional amnesty would be too politically toxic to pass, but so would a bill that relegated illegals to perpetual second-class status by categorically refusing to grant eventual citizenship to them. Whatever ends up passing Congress will have a multi-step amnesty as part of it, which should be perfectly fine with Democrats. If they need to wait a few years for all of those new votes to show up at the polls, that’s okay; if they can get a bill passed and then chip away at it with court challenges in order to speed up the citizenship process, even better. The interesting thing here is why Ryan’s so eager to hug Rubio on it. I assume it’s because it’s arguably the least risky move he can make ahead of 2016. If he comes out strong for “enforcement first” and rejects any amnesty talk until there have been measurable improvements in border security, he’ll be hammered for compounding the GOP’s problems with Latinos, which makes him theoretically unviable in the general election. If he does the opposite and emerges on Rubio’s left by pushing a less conditional amnesty, now he’s suddenly vulnerable in the primary as a RINO. He knows that Rubio’s destined to be the Republican face of whatever happens in Congress and he also knows that conservatives will tread lightly in criticizing Rubio for whatever position he ends up taking lest they slip even further with Latinos in 2016, so Ryan’s doing the prudent thing — letting Rubio serve as lightning rod while he signals that he’s at least as open-minded and reformist on this issue as his rival is.


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Way too much info !

listens2glenn on January 14, 2013 at 9:31 PM

Hey, I’m honest.LoL

annoyinglittletwerp on January 14, 2013 at 9:40 PM

LOL. Rubio could come out for blanket amnesty and confiscation of all guns, Ryan could concur, and some would say it was just a principled stand AND good electoral politics, ya friggin’ purist. We know the drill.

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 9:34 PM

It’s mostly people who don’t honestly care about conservative principles to begin with that are fine with the GOP politicians selling out what few fake principles they still have left.

sharrukin on January 14, 2013 at 9:42 PM

Who says anyone’s not going to happen? It’s that phony “inevitable” garbage all over again. “Rubio’s the ONLY choice!!!!!”

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 9:38 PM

Wrong…It could be Christie. He might be the one. Would you rather have him win the GOP nomination? He might be for Amnesty, but he will also take away your guns, video games, and then eat you…

It may come down to that….or Rand Paul….:)

William Eaton on January 14, 2013 at 9:42 PM

And yes Ryan or Rubio will be the Presidential nominee in 2016. Why is that a bad thing?

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 9:37 PM

I don’t know, you have an hour? I’m taking back my “I love you” from a month or two ago. I still like you though.

arnold ziffel on January 14, 2013 at 9:42 PM

As if Libertarians would vote for the GOP nominee to begin with.

Myron Falwell on January 14, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Please don’t generalize/stereotype others. I’m pretty much a paleo-conservative/libertarian and I voted for Romney – albeit, begrudgingly so (and no, Paul Ryan did not make things any easier). Still, I greatly dislike the knee-jerk neoconservative movement inside the GOP and wish they’d go somewhere else.

Aizen on January 14, 2013 at 9:42 PM

Two Party Evil Money Cult.

Vote slaves.
Wage slaves.

How our country makes it from day to day is the wonder.

With commie Democrats out to tear it all down and RINO’s handing the commies sledge hammers we the people must be a hardy bunch to make it to dawn each day.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 14, 2013 at 9:43 PM

Wrong…It could be Christie. He might be the one. Would you rather have him win the GOP nomination? He might be for Amnesty, but he will also take away your guns, video games, and then eat you…

It may come down to that….or Rand Paul….:)

William Eaton on January 14, 2013 at 9:42 PM

How do you know? No one’s even declared yet and the political corpse of the last Super Inevitable Electable is barely good and cold.

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 9:43 PM

I think the media wants us to focus on 2016. I think we should be putting together a plan for 2014. Start making the case today that we have to reign these guys in. They will over reach. It is who they are. Don’t be distracted by 2016, cause right now 2014 is more important.

KCB on January 14, 2013 at 9:44 PM

rein. you can understand the typo…

KCB on January 14, 2013 at 9:45 PM

William Eaton on January 14, 2013 at 9:42 PM

DNR (Do not resuscitate).

Let the GOP go in peace.

sharrukin on January 14, 2013 at 9:45 PM

I think the media wants us to focus on 2016. I think we should be putting together a plan for 2014. Start making the case today that we have to reign these guys in. They will over reach. It is who they are. Don’t be distracted by 2016, cause right now 2014 is more important.

KCB on January 14, 2013 at 9:44 PM

Pfffft…2014′s shot. The Dems will retake the House.

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 9:45 PM

The Dirty Little “Secret”: The reason that politician supporters of Open Borders want it is so that they and/or their campaign contributors can have serf labor. They would probably prefer actual out-and-out slaves but that is illegal. Open Borders Democrats, like Obama, also want it so that those who are now illegal can become legal and vote for them, if they aren’t voting for them already.

Does anyone think that any of these Open Borders politicians actually care one wit otherwise for the illegals. Does anyone think that any of the Open Borders politicians are going to invite these Mexican Indios and Mezclados to join their elite/exclusive golf clubs? Come to live in their gated communities, other than as servants? Invite them to their yachts, other than as low paid deck hands and/or servants? Invite them to their cocktail parties? Introduce them to their daughters?

The big majority of the Mexicans who have come here/will come here are Indios and Mezclados, not the Spanish descendant fair-skinned ruling class of Mexico. This is a form of ethnic cleansing by Mexico’s ruling class. So these Open Borders politicians are aiding and abetting and facilitating ethnic cleansing. If the U.N. were not such a joke, they would all be standing trial for trying to reintroduce a form of latter-day-slavery in the United States and for the mass ethnic cleansing of Mexico.

VorDaj on January 14, 2013 at 9:45 PM

This is probably a long term principled stand by Ryan.. It serves the interests of his district (farm workers). His mentor was Jack Kemp, who is known for his minority outreach. And yes it helps with his Presidential ambitions. I’ve watched about two clips of the guy at his townhall meetings and could tell you that he was probably in favor of some immigration reform just from those answers. And yes it is coming and it is much better if our guys (Ryan and Rubio) get the credit for it.
Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 9:11 PM

More importantly, it is much better if our guys can shape that legislation for the benefit (not the detriment) of the nation. They had better be thinking of curtailing unintended negative consequences (not politically but economically).

onlineanalyst on January 14, 2013 at 9:45 PM

Aizen on January 14, 2013 at 9:42 PM

Thanks for demonstrating the difference between small-l libertarians and big-L Losertarians.

Steve Eggleston on January 14, 2013 at 9:46 PM

For anti-Rubio folks, because he supports immigration reform, I have a question:

Is there going to be any potential candidate in 2016 that you can support? It looks like they all are going to have or will have some kind of immigration reform plan or will end up supporting Rubio’s plan.

And please don’t say Rick Santorum…It is not going to happen.

William Eaton on January 14, 2013 at 9:36 PM

This is what I’ve been pointing out. There are really no viable “anti-immigration” candidates out there.. Really Jeb Bush won’t on principle. Bobby Jindal is going for the reasonable moderate conservative governor. Even Rick Perry holds a moderate view on immigration. The only thing I could see is Krispy Kreme trying it in a desperate Charlie Crist move after his campaign inevitably implodes or a fringe candidate like Santorum. Either Ryan or Rubio will be the nominee and this détente on immigration makes sense. They’re also friends and it wouldn’t shock me if Rubio ends up as VP if Ryan wins the nod.

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 9:47 PM

Yeah, wish you hadn’t said that. I love the athletic lookin’ gals.

petefrt on January 14, 2013 at 9:35 PM

Heh. I’m in decent shape for an early 40-something. If Spawn challenged me to a ‘guys’ push-up contest…I’d win handily. LoL

annoyinglittletwerp on January 14, 2013 at 9:48 PM

This is what I’ve been pointing out. There are really no viable…

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 9:47 PM

Stop right there. Who’s the all-knowing judge of “viability”? The same garbage allllll over again.

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 9:48 PM

DNR (Do not resuscitate).

Let the GOP go in peace.

sharrukin on January 14, 2013 at 9:45 PM

lol, not really. I’m at the point for that to come quicker. I am tired of playing defense for much of the forty plus years I have been politically aware.

arnold ziffel on January 14, 2013 at 9:48 PM

Does the GOP need to exist if it’s just going to serve the interest of the GOP and not for the people who vote for the GOP?

ninjapirate on January 14, 2013 at 9:39 PM

Forget the GOP just name me someone right now who could possibly win or at least get 45% of the vote and lose the presidency in 2016 that is a complete teetotaler on immigration reform?

William Eaton on January 14, 2013 at 9:48 PM

Either Ryan or Rubio will be the nominee…

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 9:47 PM

And neither will win.

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 9:49 PM

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 9:45 PM

I respectfully disagree. Off year elections have smaller turn out. Full court press on Dem Senators up for re-election. 0 will over reach,and pressure them to follow. I may be wrong, but I think we could use less defense and more offense.

KCB on January 14, 2013 at 9:50 PM

I respectfully disagree. Off year elections have smaller turn out. Full court press on Dem Senators up for re-election. 0 will over reach,and pressure them to follow. I may be wrong, but I think we could use less defense and more offense.

KCB on January 14, 2013 at 9:50 PM

Offense from whom? Boehner? Ryan? LOL The GOP pissed away its chance for a long-term hold on the Congress by pissing on the Tea Party. I don’t think you’re going to see a repeat of 2010 in 2014.

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 9:51 PM

I am tired of playing defense for much of the forty plus years I have been politically aware.

arnold ziffel on January 14, 2013 at 9:48 PM

It isn’t just playing defense. It’s the GOP throwing the game time and time again, because they believe in progressive values more than they do conservatism.

sharrukin on January 14, 2013 at 9:51 PM

And yes it is coming and it is much better if our guys (Ryan and Rubio) get the credit for it.

Illinidiva

You mean the way our guys get credit for the Reagan amnesty that was actually signed by a Republican president, unlike whatever plan gets passed this time which will be signed by a democrat president?

The SOLUTION to illegal immigration is to remove all the magnets and benefits which draw them to our country — jobs, in-state tuition, free this, free that, ad nauseum.

Mandatory and universal E-Verify is a start, but Boehner and Dave Camp sat on their backsides for HR 2885. And Heath Shuler’s SAVE Act died twice in earlier sessions.

Attrition is the most popular efficient economical and just way to do it.

fred5678

But but but that solution won’t get rid of EVERY single illegal man, woman, child, grandmother, grandfather, aunt, uncle, criminal, dog, chupacabra, etc, so it won’t work. Therefore, we must pass amnesty instead.

The typical amnesty shill poster

xblade on January 14, 2013 at 9:51 PM

Wrong…It could be Christie. He might be the one. Would you rather have him win the GOP nomination? He might be for Amnesty, but he will also take away your guns, video games, and then eat you…

It may come down to that….or Rand Paul….:)

William Eaton on January 14, 2013 at 9:42 PM

Krispy Kreme will implode in the primaries (we hope). And Rand Paul will b taking over Luap Nor’s 10% of the vote.

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 9:52 PM

For anti-Rubio folks, because he supports immigration reform, I have a question:

Is there going to be any potential candidate in 2016 that you can support? It looks like they all are going to have or will have some kind of immigration reform plan or will end up supporting Rubio’s plan.

And please don’t say Rick Santorum…It is not going to happen.
William Eaton on January 14, 2013 at 9:36 PM

Did you miss all the posts in this thread about Ted Cruz?

Jon0815 on January 14, 2013 at 9:52 PM

Reminder of what a two faced liar Rubio is:

At a campaign stop in 2009, Rubio explained the lessons learned from the first amnesty…

“In 1986 Ronald Reagan granted amnesty to 3 million people. You know what happened, in addition to becoming 11 million a decade later? There were people trying to enter the country legally, who had done the paperwork, who were here legally, who were going through the process, who claimed, all of a sudden, ‘No, no no no , I’m illegal.’ Because it was easier to do the amnesty program than it was to do the legal process.

If you grant amnesty, the message that you’re sending is that if you come in this country and stay here long enough, we will let you stay. And no one will ever come through the legal process if you do that.”

TxAnn56 on January 14, 2013 at 9:53 PM

Pfffft…2014′s shot. The Dems will retake the House.

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 9:45 PM

Which is probably the best result that could come out of the 2014 elections, if you ask me. Even if the GOP magically wins the Senate and gains more seats in the House, they’ll still be blamed for everything that goes wrong, and for all inaction due to Obama’s inability to work with them.

Honestly, I’m just about ready to throw up my hands and say the Democrats should have unbridled control of the federal government because the current GOP structure and “conservative” media are dooming themselves for all eternity.

Thanks for demonstrating the difference between small-l libertarians and big-L Losertarians.

Steve Eggleston on January 14, 2013 at 9:46 PM

Er…thanks…?

To sum up Romney’s campaign, economics was the only reason I decided to vote for him. The thing about paleoconservatives/libertarians is that we really don’t give a damn about the lives of strangers’, thus our own well-being is what’s most important. As a college kid with a part-time job, I really couldn’t stomach the premise of ObamaCare being fully implemented with tax hikes, to boot. ;__;

Aizen on January 14, 2013 at 9:53 PM

Krispy Kreme will implode in the primaries (we hope). And Rand Paul will b taking over Luap Nor’s 10% of the vote.

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 9:52 PM

Paul Ryan’s going nowhere. He couldn’t even move the needle for Romney while going up against the Worst President Ever.

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 9:54 PM

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 9:51 PM

You are right. All is lost.

KCB on January 14, 2013 at 9:55 PM

I don’t think you’re going to see a repeat of 2010 in 2014.

ddrintn

Unless Republicans go along with amnesty, in which case there will be a repeat, but it will be in the dem’s favor. And Obama will go out the same way he came in: With complete control.

xblade on January 14, 2013 at 9:55 PM

This is probably a long term principled stand by Ryan.. It serves the interests of his district (farm workers). His mentor was Jack Kemp, who is known for his minority outreach.

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 9:11 PM

Jack Kemp (RIP) has as much chance of being a future GOP candidate as Paul Ryan (or the Packers winning the Super Bowl). His selection as Romney’s VP candidate had zero impact on the outcome of the race. In fact, he couldn’t even deliver his home state.

TARP, the auto bailout, No Child Left Behind, support of Boehner, etc, etc., etc. illustrate that Paul Ryan has no principles.

bw222 on January 14, 2013 at 9:56 PM

You mean the way our guys get credit for the Reagan amnesty that was actually signed by a Republican president, unlike whatever plan gets passed this time which will be signed by a democrat president?

Umm… Have you heard about Roth IRAs? How about Sarbanes Oxley? Or Simpson-Bowles? Big and important bills tend to be named after the Reps, Senators, etc. who authored it. Rubio talking about the Rubio Immigration Act in 2016 definitely helps with the Latino community.

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 9:57 PM

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 9:51 PM

You are right. All is lost.

KCB on January 14, 2013 at 9:55 PM

Short-term, yes it is.

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 9:57 PM

Forget the GOP just name me someone right now who could possibly win or at least get 45% of the vote and lose the presidency in 2016 that is a complete teetotaler on immigration reform?

William Eaton on January 14, 2013 at 9:48 PM

Rick Santorum…?

Aizen on January 14, 2013 at 9:57 PM

Paul Ryan’s going nowhere. He couldn’t even move the needle for Romney while going up against the Worst President Ever.

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 9:54 PM

Ryan didn’t actively hurt Romney unlike Sarah Palin did for John McCain and he can actually name Supreme Court decisions he is against and newspapers he’s read.

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 9:59 PM

Umm… Have you heard about Roth IRAs? How about Sarbanes Oxley? Or Simpson-Bowles? .

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 9:57 PM

Simpson-Bowles is a deficit-reduction commission put together by Obama whose recommendations Obama refuses to accept.

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 10:00 PM

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 9:57 PM

But we are good–long term?

KCB on January 14, 2013 at 10:00 PM

Ryan didn’t actively hurt Romney unlike Sarah Palin did for John McCain and he can actually name Supreme Court decisions he is against and newspapers he’s read.

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 9:59 PM

Palin was a net gain for McCain. Ryan was a net zero.

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 10:01 PM

TARP, the auto bailout, No Child Left Behind, support of Boehner, etc, etc., etc. illustrate that Paul Ryan has no principles.

bw222 on January 14, 2013 at 9:56 PM

Yes, thank you! After all of those policy choices made by Ryan over the years, people are actually surprised to read a story like this?!

I’m sick and tired of Republican politicians like Ryan being turned into the mascot for “fiscal responsibility” by the media while having atrocious records when it comes to actual fiscal responsibility.

Aizen on January 14, 2013 at 10:01 PM

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 9:57 PM

But we are good–long term?

KCB on January 14, 2013 at 10:00 PM

Eventually, yeah.

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 10:01 PM

Time to renew my membership in NUMBERSUSA.

I understand the intricacies of reform, however if it doesn’t start with border enforcement to the hilt and certified first, forget it. We can then follow up by self deportation to get in back of the line as option A (shortest path to citizenship – 7years) and option B to step forward into the open for evaluation whether to be allowed to stay (I’m fine with Newt’s concept, but citizenship taking twice as long). Those that get otherwise caught are tagged and deported.

AH_C on January 14, 2013 at 10:01 PM

Rick Santorum?

You actually think that Rick Santorum would get 45% of the vote.. I definitely wouldn’t vote for him and there are lots of other Republican women who I know wouldn’t either. I don’t need some white middle aged male lecturing me about my career and sex life. Santorum would get about 40% of the vote.

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 10:02 PM

TARP, the auto bailout, No Child Left Behind, support of Boehner, etc, etc., etc. illustrate that Paul Ryan has no principles.
bw222 on January 14, 2013 at 9:56 PM

Yup. Dead to me as well. His nomination as VP did nothing for me.

AH_C on January 14, 2013 at 10:03 PM

Rubio talking about Rubio talking about the Rubio Immigration Act in 2016 definitely helps with the Latino community.

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 9:57 PM

Why would any Dem in the Congress vote for the Rubio Immigration Act when Hussein can get all the glory for the same thing by simply granting amnesty with an EO ?

burrata on January 14, 2013 at 10:03 PM

Palin was a net gain for McCain. Ryan was a net zero.

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 10:01 PM

Agreed. We seem to have a top of the ticket problem, which is because our ideology is so right wing that our candidates are extreme and unelectable./ Agreeing with you. Just got on a little rant. Sorry

KCB on January 14, 2013 at 10:04 PM

Rubio talking about the Rubio Immigration Act in 2016 definitely helps with the Latino community.

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 9:57 PM

Seriously?

Amnesty will destroy the Republican Party as a national party. Not only will it split the Party, it will make it all but impossible for Republicans to ever get a national majority again.
These newly legal residents, who the Obama Regime wants to put on the fast track for citizenship, overwhelmingly like big government. They overwhelmingly want lavish welfare packages.

The Republicans who think that amnesty is a good idea are the same ones who told us Mitt Romney would be a great candidate.

TxAnn56 on January 14, 2013 at 10:05 PM

Rubio talking about Rubio talking about the Rubio Immigration Act in 2016 definitely helps with the Latino community.

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 9:57 PM

Why would any Dem in the Congress vote for the Rubio Immigration Act when Hussein can get all the glory for the same thing by simply granting amnesty with an EO ?

burrata on January 14, 2013 at 10:03 PM

LOL, and Rubio would still, after all that pandering and balkanizing, get only about 30% of the Latino vote. Latinos will be 2016′s version of indies and/or moderates.

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 10:05 PM

Eventually, yeah.

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 10:01 PM

Not sure we have an “eventually.”

KCB on January 14, 2013 at 10:06 PM

Ry

an didn’t actively hurt Romney unlike Sarah Palin did for John McCain and he can actually name Supreme Court decisions he is against and newspapers he’s read.

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 9:59 PM

If you followed Rasmussen’s daily polling (which obviously you didn’t), the only time McCain led Obama was between the time Sarah Palin was named to the ticket until McCain suspended his campaign because of TARP. That’s a fact.

bw222 on January 14, 2013 at 10:06 PM

Simpson-Bowles is a deficit-reduction commission put together by Obama whose recommendations Obama refuses to accept.

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 10:00 PM

Ummm.. Yes I know that and the proposed report is named after the commission heads, Simpson and Bowles. All big legislation, commissions, etc. are named like that.

Palin was a net gain for McCain. Ryan was a net zero.

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 10:01 PM

Ummm.. talk to an actual independent and see what they think about Sarah Palin… That is not happening. Even she knows it which is why she has cashed in.

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 10:06 PM

Eventually, yeah.

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 10:01 PM

Not sure we have an “eventually.”

KCB on January 14, 2013 at 10:06 PM

We don’t have a choice, unless you want to blow up the GOP right now. I don’t see a movement right now to do that. The only way things stop on a dime and change for the better is a conservative takeover of the GOP, or a national conservative party that will send the GOP to Whigdom. One or the other. Talking about what Boehner needs to do or what GOPe-approved mannequin is going to be put out there in 2016 doesn’t mean diddly.

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 10:08 PM

Mexico has been ruled by a socialist revolutionary party for a hundred years. Why do people keep expecting them to vote Republican?

sharrukin on January 14, 2013 at 10:09 PM

Amnesty will destroy the Republican Party as a national party. Not only will it split the Party, it will make it all but impossible for Republicans to ever get a national majority again.
These newly legal residents, who the Obama Regime wants to put on the fast track for citizenship, overwhelmingly like big government. They overwhelmingly want lavish welfare packages.

The Republicans who think that amnesty is a good idea are the same ones who told us Mitt Romney would be a great candidate.

TxAnn56 on January 14, 2013 at 10:05 PM

None of the major Republican candidates are going to be against some sort of immigration reform in 2016. And yes, Romney was the best of a bad bunch of candidates.

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 10:09 PM

For anti-Rubio folks, because he supports immigration reform amnesty, I have a question:

Is there going to be any potential candidate in 2016 that you can support? It looks like they all are going to have or will have some kind of immigration reform amnesty plan or will end up supporting Rubio’s plan.

And please don’t say Rick Santorum…It is not going to happen.
William Eaton

If they’re all going to give us a democrat-inspired amnesty plan, I guess the candidate to support may as well be Joe Biden. Because at that point, it won’t really matter.

xblade on January 14, 2013 at 10:10 PM

Krispy Kreme will implode in the primaries (we hope). And Rand Paul will b taking over Luap Nor’s 10% of the vote.

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 9:52 PM

I agree.

Rick Santorum…?

Aizen on January 14, 2013 at 9:57 PM

Yes the guy that lost to Mitt Romney. I actually like some things about Santorum and I thought he probably would have done no worse than Romney, because he appeals better to middle class and working class Americans, but some of his other ideas would have boxed him in, and he is not great speaker and I think we all have to admit that in order to win in this modern world you have to be good at speaking and good at PR. It is the way it is. Reagan did not just win conservative principles alone, he was a great speaker.

William Eaton on January 14, 2013 at 10:10 PM

Palin was a net gain for McCain. Ryan was a net zero.

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 10:01 PM

Ummm.. talk to an actual independent and see what they think about Sarah Palin… That is not happening. Even she knows it which is why she has cashed in.

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 10:06 PM

Ummmm….check the numbers of conservatives who voted for Palin who otherwise would’ve sat out for McCain. Your bulging-biceped Wonder Boy’s ticket won those precious indies and still lost.

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 10:10 PM

If we weren’t in TX, we’d be living in Janesville right now. While I’m disappointed in Ryan at times(and as the granddaughter of a LEGAL immigrant I’m VERY anti-amnesty) I’m also not a total ideological purist. I still think that Ryan was an excellent veep choice, and I’d consider voting for him in a GOP presidential primary. Whether I did or not would depend on who else was running.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 14, 2013 at 10:10 PM

Rubio talking about Rubio talking about the Rubio Immigration Act in 2016 definitely helps with the Latino community.

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 9:57 PM

Yes, and I am going to win Power Ball this week. You ignore history. Reagan was president when the amnesty of 1986 was passed and yet George H.W. Bush (running against Michael Dukakis) received a smaller percentage of the Latino vote in 1988 than Reagan received in 1984.

bw222 on January 14, 2013 at 10:11 PM

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 10:08 PM

So forget 2014? That is a losing strategy.

KCB on January 14, 2013 at 10:12 PM

Rubio’s plan (and all others, for that matter) still fails to address illegal immigrant ID theft of SSNs (many/most belonging to children). They use stolen SSNs for the I9, other employment docs, credit, and medical care (currupting the victims medical records). All are felonies and destructive to victims, including life-threatening consequences.

In every amnesty plan, these felonies are swept under the rug and victims are thrown to the wolves and forced to bear the consequences of a corrupted identity/credit/medical record. They don’t even, at least, require disclosure so the victim can be informed.

Try getting that deal if you’re a citizen or legal immigrant. So much for justice being blind and equal protection.

batter on January 14, 2013 at 10:12 PM

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 10:08 PM

So forget 2014? That is a losing strategy.

KCB on January 14, 2013 at 10:12 PM

So what are you going to do? Strengthen Boehner’s hand? What the hell difference will that make?

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 10:13 PM

None of the major Republican candidates are going to be against some sort of immigration reform in 2016.

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 10:09 PM

That’s an argument for voting Democrat (they give you lots of free stuff), or sitting it out. Do you have an argument for voting Republican?

sharrukin on January 14, 2013 at 10:13 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on January 14, 2013 at 10:10 PM

I like the way you carry yourself young lady! I’m with Twerp on this!

KCB on January 14, 2013 at 10:14 PM

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 10:02 PM

A couple of days ago you said Mark Kirk was the Republican you most closely aligned with. This puts you in the most liberal wing of the GOP. You hardly represent the base of the party.

bw222 on January 14, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Somehow there has to be a tie-in such was done with immigrants in the past. The illegal has to have a citizen sponsor who guarantees that he/she will not be a burden on the social services.

onlineanalyst on January 14, 2013 at 10:16 PM

You actually think that Rick Santorum would get 45% of the vote.. I definitely wouldn’t vote for him and there are lots of other Republican women who I know wouldn’t either. I don’t need some white middle aged male lecturing me about my career and sex life. Santorum would get about 40% of the vote.

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 10:02 PM

I wasn’t really sure, hence the question mark. I don’t know, I guess Santorum could be considered as a teetotaler on immigration, no? Naturally, any GOP candidate would receive at least 45% in a general election (given how polarized the nation is), but would Santorum win? Of course not.

Yes the guy that lost to Mitt Romney. I actually like some things about Santorum and I thought he probably would have done no worse than Romney, because he appeals better to middle class and working class Americans, but some of his other ideas would have boxed him in, and he is not great speaker and I think we all have to admit that in order to win in this modern world you have to be good at speaking and good at PR. It is the way it is. Reagan did not just win conservative principles alone, he was a great speaker.

William Eaton on January 14, 2013 at 10:10 PM

Well, going by the history of the GOP primaries, our next nominee will be either Newt or Santorum from the neoconservative side, or one of the moderates such as Christie or Jeb Bush. Personally, all four would be poor choices, which is why I long for a paleoconservative candidate (as a compromise with the neoconservatives).

Aizen on January 14, 2013 at 10:20 PM

If they’re all going to give us a democrat-inspired amnesty plan, I guess the candidate to support may as well be Joe Biden. Because at that point, it won’t really matter.

xblade on January 14, 2013 at 10:10 PM

So in other words you see no difference between one Piranha and one Great White Shark. Both are equally dangerous.

William Eaton on January 14, 2013 at 10:20 PM

LOL, and Rubio would still, after all that pandering and balkanizing, get only about 30% of the Latino vote. Latinos will be 2016′s version of indies and/or moderates.

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 10:05 PM

and don’t forget the mujahids…I mean muslims, they will 100% vote for Hussein, whoever gets them amnesty.
(For those who think that only latinos are invading us from our Southern border, ya’ll need a reality check ).
Then there is that border to our North with a country that gives welfare to muslims as a policy …..

burrata on January 14, 2013 at 10:21 PM

To be specific, Reagan received 37% of the Latino vote in 1984. In 1988 (two years after amnesty) George H.W. Bush got 30% of the Latino vote.

bw222 on January 14, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Umm… Have you heard about Roth IRAs? How about Sarbanes Oxley? Or Simpson-Bowles? Big and important bills tend to be named after the Reps, Senators, etc. who authored it. Rubio talking about the Rubio Immigration Act in 2016 definitely helps with the Latino community.

Illinidiva

Yup. Heard of all of them. Last I checked, none of those guys became president either. Nice dodge though, so let’s try again: How much credit do we get for the Reagan Amnesty?

xblade on January 14, 2013 at 10:23 PM

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 10:13 PM

I think we need another rise of the people, ala Tea Party. Or we could do nothing, let 0 have four more freaking years without a goalie to stop the slapshots he is putting in our faces, hoping that, once he finishes a fundamental change of the country, we still have a majority House and can squeak in a 51-49 Senate and a President who will make all the bad stuff go away.
That’s the ticket.

KCB on January 14, 2013 at 10:23 PM

sharrukin on January 14, 2013 at 10:13 PM

You know, I think the GOP can legitimately take hold of the immigration issue without flushing conservatism down the drain. If the party proposes some minor form of amnesty under the premise that each and every illegal alien who benefits from the program must forgo welfare/benefits, that would throw the ball into the Democrats’ court and expose them for who they really are.

Aizen on January 14, 2013 at 10:24 PM

Ahh Ryan the complete RINO. He voted for the bank bailouts, submits budgets that don’t accomplish what needs to be accomplished (significant debt reduction, none of this multi year reduction garbage), and now he adds this immigration stance to his RINO resume.

I’m done with RINOs. If I’m going to vote for the destruction of the country I’ll vote dem. At least we’ll get the “reset” point quicker.

voiceofreason on January 14, 2013 at 10:27 PM

You know, I think the GOP can legitimately take hold of the immigration issue without flushing conservatism down the drain.

In a perfect world, perhaps so. That isn’t this one. The GOP in this world is Boehner, Ryan, McCain, Rubio, Christie, McConnell, Romney and Bush.

They will flush conservatism down the drain.

If the party proposes some minor form of amnesty under the premise that each and every illegal alien who benefits from the program must forgo welfare/benefits, that would throw the ball into the Democrats’ court and expose them for who they really are.

Aizen on January 14, 2013 at 10:24 PM

Do you really believe they will do that?

sharrukin on January 14, 2013 at 10:28 PM

Question: What impact will it have on the national debt when 12 million (more likely 20 million) illegal aliens “come out of the shadows” after an amnesty and are eligible for more entitlements?

bw222 on January 14, 2013 at 10:29 PM

A couple of days ago you said Mark Kirk was the Republican you most closely aligned with. This puts you in the most liberal wing of the GOP. You hardly represent the base of the party.

bw222

She apparently lives in Illinois. No surprise she’s ok with liberalism. Need more proof?

You actually think that Rick Santorum would get 45% of the vote.. I definitely wouldn’t vote for him and there are lots of other Republican women who I know wouldn’t either. I don’t need some white middle aged male lecturing me about my career and sex life. Santorum would get about 40% of the vote.

Illinidiva

Straight out of the democrat handbook. Sounds just like something you’d hear Nancy Pelosi say.

xblade on January 14, 2013 at 10:31 PM

In a perfect world, perhaps so. That isn’t this one. The GOP in this world is Boehner, Ryan, McCain, Rubio, Christie, McConnell, Romney and Bush.

They will flush conservatism down the drain.

sharrukin on January 14, 2013 at 10:28 PM

And even the more libertarian Republicans oppose a border fence. It really sucks, doesn’t it? ;__;

Do you really believe they will do that?

sharrukin on January 14, 2013 at 10:28 PM

No, but I’m a pretty optimistic fella, so I can hope. Although, I can see someone like Rand Paul coming up with that idea, since he did propose letting the Democrats own everything so they’d show their true colors. Rand’s shrewdness is what the GOP needs, among other qualities.

Aizen on January 14, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Did you miss all the posts in this thread about Ted Cruz?

Jon0815 on January 14, 2013 at 9:52 PM

I like Ted Cruz but will he be ready for a presidential run in 2016? He just won his first national office. Rubio is not much better in that regard but he has two year ahead of him and he comes from a critical state. Cruz to his credit is smart. I will say let that one breath a little and see what happens.

William Eaton on January 14, 2013 at 10:32 PM

I agree with Mitt Romney when he said Obama won the election because he played Santa.

Unless the GOP out-panders the Democrats they are not going to win the black or Hispanic vote. We could run Pancho Villa and still lose if the Democrats promised more.

bw222 on January 14, 2013 at 10:33 PM

Question: What impact will it have on the national debt when 12 million (more likely 20 million) illegal aliens “come out of the shadows” after an amnesty and are eligible for more entitlements?

bw222 on January 14, 2013 at 10:29 PM

Simple: cut all entitlement opportunities to illegals (hypothetically) staying in the country and let the Democrats make their move in response. And then we sit back and claim the issue, once and for all.

Aizen on January 14, 2013 at 10:34 PM

I like Ted Cruz but will he be ready for a presidential run in 2016? He just won his first national office.

William Eaton on January 14, 2013 at 10:32 PM

Ever hear about a guy named Barack Obama?

bw222 on January 14, 2013 at 10:35 PM

RINO Rampage!

Just enforce the existing Laws.

Don’t lie that you need news laws to start enforcing any.

profitsbeard on January 14, 2013 at 10:37 PM

Somehow there has to be a tie-in such was done with immigrants in the past. The illegal has to have a citizen sponsor who guarantees that he/she will not be a burden on the social services.

onlineanalyst on January 14, 2013 at 10:16 PM

In Dubai and such other countries where foreigners are the predominant and almost exclusive work-force,this is what those regimes do :
The foreigner has to be requested verified and sponsered by an employer, and approved by the regime.
When the worker ( NOT his whole family) arrives, the employer becomes responsible from that moment onwards for the worker, to keep him employed, to pay him, and then TO MAKE SURE THAT HE LEAVES THE COUNTRY after the employer is done with him/ the contract expires.
There is no chain migration,no welfare,no anchor baby citizenships, no loitering in their country without ID and no cheating the regime in the name of anything.
If you are needed as a worker,you go ,you work,you get paid and then you leave , all at the responsibility of the employer .
Ofcourse those employers that don’t comply ….well I got some horror stories but I can’t narrate them here :(

burrata on January 14, 2013 at 10:38 PM

Ever hear about a guy named Barack Obama?

bw222 on January 14, 2013 at 10:35 PM

No offense, but I don’t want to go down the Obama route with our nominee in 2016. Obama was criticized a lot in 2008 for his inexperience and rightfully so. I don’t want to go down the same road as McCain/Palin where the Democrats are getting away with sounding rational when they’re only using our own past attacks against us.

Whoever the nominee is in 2016, he/she will need tons of experience, especially with Madame Goddess Hillary ready to be anointed by the media. Rubio and Rand Paul are probably my top choices since the rest are all RINOs, neoconservatives, and/or un-electable.

Aizen on January 14, 2013 at 10:45 PM

Yes the guy that lost to Mitt Romney. I actually like some things about Santorum and I thought he probably would have done no worse than Romney, because he appeals better to middle class and working class Americans, but some of his other ideas would have boxed him in, and he is not great speaker and I think we all have to admit that in order to win in this modern world you have to be good at speaking and good at PR. It is the way it is. Reagan did not just win conservative principles alone, he was a great speaker.

William Eaton on January 14, 2013 at 10:10 PM

Santorum came off as preachy. I don’t need Santorum nagging me about my life. If he wanted to do that, then he should have become a priest. And yes image matters. Reagan got that. Finally we have potential candidates that really get that again… Both Rubio and Ryan have worked hard on their image.

A couple of days ago you said Mark Kirk was the Republican you most closely aligned with. This puts you in the most liberal wing of the GOP. You hardly represent the base of the party.

bw222 on January 14, 2013 at 10:15 PM

No.. the Republican I most closely align with is the adorkable Representative from the 1st District of WI. Kirk is my second favorite politician. Both represent or used to represent the district near where I grew up. Kirk represented the IL 10th, just south of me and Ryan represented the WI 1st, just north of me.

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 10:47 PM

You know, I think the GOP can legitimately take hold of the immigration issue without flushing conservatism down the drain.

Sure, they “could”. It’s called enforcing the law. Not complicated. You can’t get more legitimate than that. But they’re not interested. The dirty little secret is the GOP wants illegals here as bad as the DNC.

If the party proposes some minor form of amnesty under the premise that each and every illegal alien who benefits from the program must forgo welfare/benefits, that would throw the ball into the Democrats’ court and expose them for who they really are.

Aizen

Good luck with that. We can’t even keep illegal children out of our schools now. They are required to be admitted by law. This little agreement would last about a week. Not to mention any kids they have here under this minor amnesty would be citizens at birth, and would be entitled to the same benefits as any other.

Even this minor amnesty is a defeat, because at that point you’ve admitted they actually have a right to be here. From then on, you’re simply negotiating over price, to borrow from a popular joke. And that price will ultimately be the country.

xblade on January 14, 2013 at 10:48 PM

Ever hear about a guy named Barack Obama?

bw222 on January 14, 2013 at 10:35 PM

Cruz comes off as a smarmy jerk. I really don’t want another of those types. And at least Rubio comes off as genuine. I think that he is very fluffy, but he also seems like a really nice guy. I’d prefer Ryan, but Rubio isn’t bad.

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 10:52 PM

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 10:52 PM

Honest question, but why don’t you vote Democrat?

sharrukin on January 14, 2013 at 11:00 PM

Paul Ryan: I support Marco Rubio on immigration

And you vote for lots of really awful bills, too, along with having been totally worthless during the campaign while running for your Congressional seat at the same time. Nice stuff, there. Take a hike with Rubio.

These guys are all bozos.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 14, 2013 at 11:01 PM

I’d prefer Ryan, but Rubio isn’t bad.

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 10:52 PM

They both suck.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 14, 2013 at 11:01 PM

Ever hear about a guy named Barack Obama?

bw222 on January 14, 2013 at 10:35 PM

Obama was already known by 2004 by the progressives. Remember his DNC speech in 2004. Cruz will need a big forum to introduce himself and get some mighty mo before I can see him in 2016.

Cruz comes off as a smarmy jerk. I really don’t want another of those types. And at least Rubio comes off as genuine. I think that he is very fluffy, but he also seems like a really nice guy. I’d prefer Ryan, but Rubio isn’t bad.

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 10:52 PM

Ivy League education tends to do that to people. I know it is not right for me to judge people based on where they went to school, but I am a little tired of Ivy League folks running this country. The reason why we are in the mess is because of their graduates.

William Eaton on January 14, 2013 at 11:05 PM

They both suck.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 14, 2013 at 11:01 PM

So…who is your pick?

William Eaton on January 14, 2013 at 11:06 PM

So…who is your pick?

William Eaton on January 14, 2013 at 11:06 PM

What would that matter? Rubio and Ryan both suck. Rubio is totally unacceptable and Ryan just showed that he’s awful in a campaign – not to mention his continuing terrible votes.

2012 was my last GOP vote. The fact that those idiots re-elected the Weeping Boner only shows how useless they are. Not only are they cowards but they’re incredibly stupid on top of it.

As to Rubio, amnesty is a deal-breaker. Period. There’s nothing else to say about it except that anyone who keeps pushing amnesty (especially after having seen the GOP commit suicide with it in 2006-2008) is too dumb for much of anything. Rubio can take his tribalism and lack of respect for American sovereignty and shove it. I never liked the guy but he is proving what a loser he is.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 14, 2013 at 11:12 PM

Honest question, but why don’t you vote Democrat?

sharrukin on January 14, 2013 at 11:00

Ummm… Because I don’t like paying taxes and I don’t like my money being spent on lazy people who cannot get jobs.

Ivy League education tends to do that to people. I know it is not right for me to judge people based on where they went to school, but I am a little tired of Ivy League folks running this country. The reason why we are in the mess is because of their graduates.

William Eaton on January 14, 2013 at 11:05 PM

Yeah.. Didn’t know that Cruz went to Harvard, but that is a good point. What I love most about Rubio and Ryan is both graduated from public universities and both were in serious debt for awhile. They are normal people. Considering that the last four Presidents went to “elite” Ivy League schools, we’re in danger of becoming like France where only the children of the elite who went to the grandes ecoles can become leaders in French society.

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 11:17 PM

Rubio and Rand Paul are probably my top choices since the rest are all RINOs, neoconservatives, and/or un-electable.

Aizen on January 14, 2013 at 10:45 PM

Cruz actually has far more experience in government than Rand Paul, although I like Rand Paul.

bw222 on January 14, 2013 at 11:24 PM

Straight out of the democrat handbook. Sounds just like something you’d hear Nancy Pelosi say.

xblade on January 14, 2013 at 10:31 PM

I know… How dare I want a career and not want to be barefoot in the kitchen popping out dozens of babies.

I agree with Republicans on fiscal issues and I am pro-life. However, I do not agree with Santorum on his desire to force women back into the kitchen and his weird fixation on gays.

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 11:44 PM

Why even vote? We basically have 1 party. I no longer have faith in politicians. After the impressive tea party wins in 2010, look who gets picked for Speaker of the House?!? & look how the Speaker throws out 4 conservatives from committees. & how the GOP threw out Allen West via redistricting. You’ve got to all realize that the GOP hates conservatives. That’s why we got the (2) Bush’s, McCain & Romney as candidates. Bush, the “father” of TARP.

Oh, did they all vote yet for the $59 Billion Sandy pork part II bill?

I agree with ThePrimordialOrderedPair: thumbs way down for Rubio & Ryan.

Belle on January 14, 2013 at 11:53 PM

What do you people don’t get? Rubio’s plan is no different than the Dems plans over the years! It’s right there in the print. He only piece meals it into smaller separate bills and extents the waiting period to become citizens but its the same principles as the White House. What is a Tea Partier (he is not and never was) doing mimicking Obama? So that he and the GOPE can say ‘me too’?

journeymike on January 15, 2013 at 12:03 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wik2uc69WbU

Peter Paul & Mary – Puff the Magic Dragon

Lets rock.

SparkPlug on January 15, 2013 at 12:23 AM

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