Paul Ryan: I support Marco Rubio on immigration

posted at 8:11 pm on January 14, 2013 by Allahpundit

What’s the most interesting part of this? That he’s reaching out to touch a third-rail issue, or that he’s ducking behind one of his biggest rivals for the 2016 nomination to do it?

Go figure that a guy who was part of a ticket that lost by nearly 50 points among Latinos is eager to rehab on immigration:

Senator Rubio is exactly right on the need to fix our broken immigration system. I support the principles he’s outlined: modernization of our immigration laws; stronger security to curb illegal immigration; and respect for the rule of law in addressing the complex challenge of the undocumented population. Our future depends on an immigration system that works.

He’s not just paying lip service to the issue. Dem Rep. Luis Gutierrez, who once said that his only loyalty is to the immigrant community, met with Ryan last month to talk immigration and had encouraging things to say:

“What we did was just kind of catch up,” Gutierrez told me. Ryan and Gutierrez decided they want to “explore opportunities to work together.” Gutierrez, one of the House leaders on immigration issues — who has kept constant pressure on President Barack Obama to do more — is crossing the aisle as Republicans need very much to woo the fast growing number of Hispanic voters — who in large part rejected the Romney/Ryan ticket…

Not well known, Gutierrez noted, is that he and Ryan share some history: In 2005, Ryan was a co-sponsor of bipartisan and bi-cameral comprehensive immigration reform legislation carried in the House by Gutierrez and Rep. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.). “It wasn’t like it was a long line of Republicans supporting it. He’s always supported immigration reform,” Gutierrez said.

The inspiration for Ryan’s Facebook post is the glowing WSJ piece over the weekend heralding Rubio’s “charge up the middle” on immigration. But Mark Krikorian’s right: There’s little difference between Rubio’s basic principles for reform and the principles laid out by the White House in that recent NYT piece about their big upcoming push for an immigration bill. Here’s Rubio:

Politically hardest is the question of the up to 12 million illegals currently here. Mr. Rubio’s proposal allows for adults who overstayed their visa or sneaked in to come into the open.

“Here’s how I envision it,” he says. “They would have to come forward. They would have to undergo a background check.” Anyone who committed a serious crime would be deported. “They would be fingerprinted,” he continues. “They would have to pay a fine, pay back taxes, maybe even do community service. They would have to prove they’ve been here for an extended period of time. They understand some English and are assimilated. Then most of them would get legal status and be allowed to stay in this country.”

Legal status could lead to citizenship eventually, although Rubio doesn’t specify how long eventually might be. Now here’s the White House plan:

The White House will argue that its solution for illegal immigrants is not an amnesty, as many critics insist, because it would include fines, the payment of back taxes and other hurdles for illegal immigrants who would obtain legal status, the officials said.

The president’s plan would also impose nationwide verification of legal status for all newly hired workers; add visas to relieve backlogs and allow highly skilled immigrants to stay; and create some form of guest-worker program to bring in low-wage immigrants in the future.

As I recall, the bills championed by Bush and McCain six years ago also had provisions about fines, back taxes, etc. Any comprehensive plan has to: An unconditional amnesty would be too politically toxic to pass, but so would a bill that relegated illegals to perpetual second-class status by categorically refusing to grant eventual citizenship to them. Whatever ends up passing Congress will have a multi-step amnesty as part of it, which should be perfectly fine with Democrats. If they need to wait a few years for all of those new votes to show up at the polls, that’s okay; if they can get a bill passed and then chip away at it with court challenges in order to speed up the citizenship process, even better. The interesting thing here is why Ryan’s so eager to hug Rubio on it. I assume it’s because it’s arguably the least risky move he can make ahead of 2016. If he comes out strong for “enforcement first” and rejects any amnesty talk until there have been measurable improvements in border security, he’ll be hammered for compounding the GOP’s problems with Latinos, which makes him theoretically unviable in the general election. If he does the opposite and emerges on Rubio’s left by pushing a less conditional amnesty, now he’s suddenly vulnerable in the primary as a RINO. He knows that Rubio’s destined to be the Republican face of whatever happens in Congress and he also knows that conservatives will tread lightly in criticizing Rubio for whatever position he ends up taking lest they slip even further with Latinos in 2016, so Ryan’s doing the prudent thing — letting Rubio serve as lightning rod while he signals that he’s at least as open-minded and reformist on this issue as his rival is.


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At this rate, there will be no candidate anyone here can support.

ThePrez on January 14, 2013 at 8:13 PM

oh ffs.

I’ve had it.

Tim_CA on January 14, 2013 at 8:13 PM

I’m with Ryan and Rubio as well, fire away.

VegasRick on January 14, 2013 at 8:14 PM

Paul Ryan: I support Marco Rubio on immigration

Thank you for participating as an alleged “conservative”, Paul. You may pick up your consolation prizes on the way out.

Myron Falwell on January 14, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Paul Ryno supporting amnesty? I’m shocked.

sauldalinsky on January 14, 2013 at 8:16 PM

~ NOT DREAMY ~

Jeddite on January 14, 2013 at 8:17 PM

At this rate, there will be no candidate anyone here can support.

ThePrez on January 14, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Ted Cruz still looking good.

Jon0815 on January 14, 2013 at 8:20 PM

The stench of RINO here has become overwhelming.

Mr. Arrogant on January 14, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Paul Ryan: I support Marco Rubio on immigration

Ryan/Rubio 2016 #goosecooked

HotAirLib on January 14, 2013 at 8:23 PM

Ted Cruz still looking good.

Jon0815 on January 14, 2013 at 8:20 PM

He was born in Canada.

sauldalinsky on January 14, 2013 at 8:24 PM

tricky stuff. I am quite sure that the left/Dem think tanks and agitation groups already have the data and a plan to quickly register and bus new minted D/Left votes. So with barry in charge that Gould be their way of taking back the House…in 2014..or at the earliest possible point

they want to rule for 40 years…after which, well…we’ll cross that bridge later

r keller on January 14, 2013 at 8:25 PM

Oooh! Palace intrigue! Or, Ryan may just agree with Rubio’s plan, and that we have to put this issue behind us before Hispanics will give the GOP a fair look.

John the Libertarian on January 14, 2013 at 8:25 PM

When all you Romney/Ryan supporters were as giddy as a 12 year old girl at a New Kids on the Block concert, I told you they were both libs but you said, “it’s the only chance at beating Obama, it’s a wasted vote if you vote for anyone else”. You had a winner but you chose to join in on the black out. This shouldn’t be surprising.

air_up_there on January 14, 2013 at 8:25 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Camp_of_the_Saints

William F Buckley:

A great novel, The Camp of the Saints, appeared thirty years ago featuring great boatloads of Africans arriving in the south of France in legions too great to be simply turned aside, like the Cap Anamur. What to do? Starve them? Shoot them? We don’t do that kind of thing — but what do we do when we run out of airplanes in which to send them back home?

http://web.archive.org/web/20070430112736/http://www.nationalreview.com/script/printpage.p?ref=/buckley/wfb200407231332.asp

ninjapirate on January 14, 2013 at 8:26 PM

Intrade just opened trading for 2016 today (closed to Americans for now).

Ryan in first place at $2.

Cruz is starting out surprisingly strong compared to Rubio- he’s at $0.70 vs. Rubio at $1.70, even though Rubio is much better known.

Jon0815 on January 14, 2013 at 8:26 PM

He was born in Canada.

sauldalinsky on January 14, 2013 at 8:24 PM

To US citizens.
He’s eligible.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 14, 2013 at 8:27 PM

heart-ache.

sesquipedalian on January 14, 2013 at 8:27 PM

Ted Cruz still looking good.

Jon0815 on January 14, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Read somewhere on this blog that he is a green card holder.

HotAirLib on January 14, 2013 at 8:29 PM

So this time around, illegals will convert themselves in to patriotic conservative Americans as soon as they become US citizens , right ? And there will be no more illegals busting through our borders and airports and universities once this amnesty is implemented, right ?
No more illegal aliens ….yyyaaaaayyy…:O

burrata on January 14, 2013 at 8:29 PM

Thank you for participating as an alleged “conservative”, Paul.

Myron Falwell on January 14, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Oh, look! Some self-appointed righwingyahoo has administered Teh Purity Test ™ and found another rube lacking.

John the Libertarian on January 14, 2013 at 8:29 PM

There is no leadership to be found in the Republican party.

They believe in nothing, and ultimately stand for nothing.

sharrukin on January 14, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Still rooting for Rubio in 2016.

terryannonline on January 14, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Ryan’s looking to double-down on being on the wrong side of two top issues among the base – taxes (specifically its application to less than half the working population and disproportionate application to “the rich”) and amnesty.

Steve Eggleston on January 14, 2013 at 8:31 PM

He was born in Canada.

sauldalinsky on January 14, 2013 at 8:24 PM

Doesn’t matter, his mother was a citizen.

Jon0815 on January 14, 2013 at 8:31 PM

When all you Romney/Ryan supporters were as giddy as a 12 year old girl at a New Kids on the Block concert, I told you they were both libs but you said, “it’s the only chance at beating Obama, it’s a wasted vote if you vote for anyone else”. You had a winner but you chose to join in on the black out. This shouldn’t be surprising.

air_up_there on January 14, 2013 at 8:25 PM

Yup. I was here when that happened. They all creamed their pants thinking no way he isn’t the next veep of the USA. Lolololol

HotAirLib on January 14, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Rubio’s big mistake is floating this through the WSJ and then try to PR this as the “3rd way”.

If you’re not talking to Mark Krikorian and Mickey Kaus then you are wasting your damn time. What they say will be repeated on talk radio. They will be able to kill anything put forward for at least 7 more years. Those two are more powerful than the WSJ and the Chamber of Commerce combined when it comes to this issue.

BTW, any immigration reform that doesn’t overturn Plyler v Doe is unacceptable.

ninjapirate on January 14, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Oh, look! Some self-appointed righwingyahoo has administered Teh Purity Test ™ and found another rube lacking.

John the Libertarian on January 14, 2013 at 8:29 PM

Every voter is a self-appointed judge with their own personal test, and last time millions of them decided the answer was NO.

sharrukin on January 14, 2013 at 8:33 PM

The long and Machiavellian analysis of Ryan’s position at the end of the article overlooks one obvious possibility: maybe Ryan just thinks Rubio’s position is the best practical alternative…

LagunaDave on January 14, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Where are the conservatives ?
These stupid people should have been on
their hind legs about 9hrs ago objecting
to O’s stupid press conference !
Outraged and running out of …….

Lucano on January 14, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Intrade just opened trading for 2016 today (closed to Americans for now).

Ryan in first place at $2.

Cruz is starting out surprisingly strong compared to Rubio- he’s at $0.70 vs. Rubio at $1.70, even though Rubio is much better known.

Jon0815 on January 14, 2013 at 8:26 PM

I would write a lot of Cruz calls if I were you. No way he is becoming the nominee.

HotAirLib on January 14, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Read somewhere on this blog that he is a green card holder.

HotAirLib on January 14, 2013 at 8:29 PM

Go blow, libtard.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 14, 2013 at 8:35 PM

What did Ryan have to say in response to the emperor’s press conference today? Haven’t seen anything. But he can come out and hide behind Rubio like he’s been hiding behind Boehner since the election. He’s been showing zero leadership. Not impressive at all.

Mark1971 on January 14, 2013 at 8:36 PM

ermahgerd riiiiiinos! – Trucons

thebrokenrattle on January 14, 2013 at 8:37 PM

Oh, look! Some self-appointed righwingyahoo has administered Teh Purity Test ™ and found another rube lacking.

John the Libertarian on January 14, 2013 at 8:29 PM

Open Borders means selling out your country for cheap. The vegetables need to rot to keep communities from rotting.

The WSJ, Chamber of Commerce, and their libertarian ideological enablers are the Visigoth and Alaric wing of the Republican Party.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visigoths
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaric_I

ninjapirate on January 14, 2013 at 8:37 PM

I would write a lot of Cruz calls if I were you. No way he is becoming the nominee.

HotAirLib on January 14, 2013 at 8:35 PM

If it’s possible an Alinskyyite thug from Chicago to become president, why it’s possible for anybody to become president. ///

annoyinglittletwerp on January 14, 2013 at 8:37 PM

When I read this story, my first reaction was to laugh out loud because of all the times in the past when so-called “conservatives” told us Paul Ryan was a conservative of the highest order. Now? In addition to voting for No Child Left Behind, Medicare Part D, TARP, and so, Ryan’s basically exploiting Rubio’s potential for his own political gain. Talk about a snake-oil salesman.

Want to solve the immigration problem? Tell every “undocumented” immigrant that if he/she wants to stay in America, they must forgo all form of government benefits and be prevented from living off the taxpayer. See how many Democrats come out in favor of that.

Aizen on January 14, 2013 at 8:40 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on January 14, 2013 at 8:27 PM
Jon0815 on January 14, 2013 at 8:31 PM

Hm, ok, if both his parents were US citizens then he’s eligible.

sauldalinsky on January 14, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Rubio’s big mistake is floating this through the WSJ and then try to PR this as the “3rd way”.

If you’re not talking to Mark Krikorian and Mickey Kaus then you are wasting your damn time. What they say will be repeated on talk radio. They will be able to kill anything put forward for at least 7 more years. Those two are more powerful than the WSJ and the Chamber of Commerce combined when it comes to this issue.

BTW, any immigration reform that doesn’t overturn Plyler v Doe is unacceptable.

ninjapirate on January 14, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Yeah, NumbersUSA has more than 3 million members now. When they defeated the 2007 amnesty they had less than a million. Rubio should be talking to them.

Jon0815 on January 14, 2013 at 8:43 PM

grrreat. Ryan’s capitulation to the RINO power mongers is complete.

rayra on January 14, 2013 at 8:44 PM

The United States of America and Western Civilization is facing a crisis….

Does Democracy serve it’s people or does Democracy serve Democratic Beurocratic Institions itself?

And relevant to this thread, does the GOP exist to serve the people who vote for the GOP or does the GOP exist to serve itself?

ninjapirate on January 14, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Hm, ok, if both his parents were US citizens then he’s eligible.

sauldalinsky on January 14, 2013 at 8:41 PM

obambi’s dad was a kenyan, only one parent needed.

VegasRick on January 14, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Oh, look! Some self-appointed righwingyahoo has administered Teh Purity Test ™ and found another rube lacking.

John the Libertarian on January 14, 2013 at 8:29 PM

As if Libertarians would vote for the GOP nominee to begin with.

Myron Falwell on January 14, 2013 at 8:47 PM

I would write a lot of Cruz calls if I were you. No way he is becoming the nominee.

HotAirLib on January 14, 2013 at 8:35 PM

.
If it’s possible an Alinskyyite thug from Chicago to become president, why it’s possible for anybody to become president. ///

annoyinglittletwerp on January 14, 2013 at 8:37 PM

.
‘twerp ? !

Why are you picking on HAL? … : )

listens2glenn on January 14, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Rubio = Human Body Shield for Republicans on Immigration reform. The more Rubio leads on the issue, the more attacks he attracts, the better for his challengers.

Robert_Paulson on January 14, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Leftist to illegals who broke our laws: “Brother! You did nothing wrong, we love you!”

Leftist to American citizen who legally bought a firearm: “Murderous trash I hope you all get shot!

Bishop on January 14, 2013 at 8:50 PM

grrreat. Ryan’s capitulation to the RINO power mongers is complete.

rayra on January 14, 2013 at 8:44 PM

May I say ….. mongrels ?

Lucano on January 14, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Oooh! Palace intrigue! Or, Ryan may just agree with Rubio’s plan, and that we have to put this issue behind us before Hispanics will give the GOP a fair look.

John the Libertarian on January 14, 2013 at 8:25 PM

Ryan and Rubio are in cahoots on this. Between the time of the Facebook post and the Gutierrez article as well as the fact that it helps whoever becomes the nominee immensely in 2016, it should be pretty clear. It makes sense for Rubio to be out in front on this because he can sell it better than Ryan, but look for Ryan to come out as a strong supporter and co-sponsor of the eventual Rubio legislation. Ryan’s a better inside the Beltway player than Rubio and this is starting to fit his legislative MO down to the Democratic co-sponsor.

As for some other points..

1. What legitimate 2016 Republican candidate is going to go to the right of them on this? Krispy Kreme? Jindal? Jeb Bush? Perfectly safe move.

2. Rubio and Ryan is an interesting relationship. They’re clearly friends and Ryan did help Rubio out in Florida; however, they both want to be President. That’s going to be fun to watch until both announce in 2015.

3. Both Rubio and Ryan would like to thank Obama and the Democrats for ceding them the floor on this by yelling about gun control and bullying Republicans on the debt ceiling.

4. Yes, it is partly political but it makes sense that Ryan would be for immigration reform. He is an establishment Republican who worked for the original Compassionate Conservative (Jack Kemp) who represents a district with a lot of agriculture… Duh.

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Not impressive at all.

Mark1971 on January 14, 2013 at 8:36 PM

What did you expect from a guy whose serious adult budget managed to balance the budget in… about 50 years. Assuming all of his projections would come true. Knowing that any budget he passed would only matter for one year. Spending still increased in year 1. Yeah, definitely a bold leader.

Timin203 on January 14, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Paul Ryan: I support Marco Rubio on immigration

…that’s NOT GOOD PR!

KOOLAID2 on January 14, 2013 at 8:52 PM

And relevant to this thread, does the GOP exist to serve the people who vote for the GOP or does the GOP exist to serve itself?

ninjapirate on January 14, 2013 at 8:45 PM

The inner machinations of the GOP are most definitely the latter. No further discussion is necessary.

Myron Falwell on January 14, 2013 at 8:53 PM

I would write a lot of Cruz calls if I were you. No way he is becoming the nominee.

HotAirLib on January 14, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Just a reminder
From July 2012

DALLAS — In a flip that would make Olympic gymnasts green with envy, a new independent poll released Thursday found Ted Cruz leading Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst in the Republican primary runoff.

“Ted Cruz looks like the new front runner in the Texas Senate race,” said Dean Debnam, president of Public Policy Polling (PPP). “Not only is he ahead overall, but he’s up by even more with the folks who are most likely to vote in what will probably be a low-turnout election. The momentum swing in this race over the last six weeks is seismic.”

A PPP poll in May, before the primary, found a head-to-head match with a sizable lead for Dewhurst, 59 to 34 percent.

TxAnn56 on January 14, 2013 at 8:53 PM

What did Ryan have to say in response to the emperor’s press conference today? Haven’t seen anything. But he can come out and hide behind Rubio like he’s been hiding behind Boehner since the election. He’s been showing zero leadership. Not impressive at all.

Mark1971 on January 14, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Why would Ryan want to get involved with the debt ceiling in a public matter? It has only made Boehner very unpopular and nothing is going to come of it. Why would he want to ruin his Presidential chances for absolutely nothing in return? As for immigration reform, Ryan and Rubio are probably allies on this already.

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 8:55 PM

HotAirLib on January 14, 2013

…still wetting yourself HotLips?…can’t sing!…can’t poop!…what can you do?

KOOLAID2 on January 14, 2013 at 8:56 PM

TxAnn56 on January 14, 2013 at 8:53 PM

My first TX vote was in the runoff. I was smiling all day.

KCB on January 14, 2013 at 8:57 PM

The inspiration for Ryan’s Facebook post is the glowing WSJ piece over the weekend heralding Rubio’s “charge up the middle” on immigration. But Mark Krikorian’s right: There’s little difference between Rubio’s basic principles for reform and the principles laid out by the White House in that recent NYT piece about their big upcoming push for an immigration bill.

So in short,
Ryan is supporting Hussein .
Waytogo Ryan….

burrata on January 14, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Awesome. Both parties, doing their damndest to pander to 20 million criminals. And we just thought entitlement spending was bad now.

Midas on January 14, 2013 at 9:02 PM

My first TX vote was in the runoff. I was smiling all day.

KCB on January 14, 2013 at 8:57 PM

That was Spawn’s first EVER vote.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 14, 2013 at 9:02 PM

The long and Machiavellian analysis of Ryan’s position at the end of the article overlooks one obvious possibility: maybe Ryan just thinks Rubio’s position is the best practical alternative…

LagunaDave on January 14, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Best politics and best policy.. Why exactly are people shocked that a Midwestern Republican who represents an area with lots of farms is a moderate on immigration?

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Hi Twerp!

KCB on January 14, 2013 at 9:03 PM

If they ever pass amnesty, I’m suing the federal government for all of the money I spent LEGALLY getting my wife, daughter, and mother-in-law U.S. citizenship.

RoadRunner on January 14, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Good backstory on Ryan’s abysmal immigration record. I would say what Ryan and Rubio could do with their pro amnesty stances, but the hammer might come down, so I’ll hold my tongue, for now.

TxAnn56 on January 14, 2013 at 9:04 PM

So in short,
Ryan is supporting Hussein .
Waytogo Ryan….

burrata on January 14, 2013 at 9:01 PM

They’re both outmaneuvering Barry so that they get the credit for the eventual reform.

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Wow, you mean Ryan is not conservative? Who would have ever guessed that?

astonerii on January 14, 2013 at 9:05 PM

They’re both outmaneuvering Barry so that they get the credit for the eventual reform.

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Republicans Freed the slaves. How did that work out for them?

astonerii on January 14, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Why exactly are people shocked that a Midwestern Republican who represents an area with lots of farms is a moderate on immigration?

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Some people were still clinging to the fantasy that Ryan had principles. Since he is a member in good standing of the GOP, they should have known better.

sharrukin on January 14, 2013 at 9:06 PM

My first TX vote was in the runoff. I was smiling all day.

KCB on January 14, 2013 at 8:57 PM

I have a feeling you won’t regret it.

TxAnn56 on January 14, 2013 at 9:06 PM

RoadRunner on January 14, 2013 at 9:03 PM

I bet that took some coin!

KCB on January 14, 2013 at 9:06 PM

TxAnn56 on January 14, 2013 at 9:06 PM

So far I am impressed. Thinking of seeing if there is some volunteer work I can do.

KCB on January 14, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Hi Twerp!

KCB on January 14, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Hey!
I applied for my CC today.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 14, 2013 at 9:09 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on January 14, 2013 at 9:09 PM

Outstanding!

KCB on January 14, 2013 at 9:11 PM

Some people were still clinging to the fantasy that Ryan had principles. Since he is a member in good standing of the GOP, they should have known better.

sharrukin on January 14, 2013 at 9:06 PM

This is probably a long term principled stand by Ryan.. It serves the interests of his district (farm workers). His mentor was Jack Kemp, who is known for his minority outreach. And yes it helps with his Presidential ambitions. I’ve watched about two clips of the guy at his townhall meetings and could tell you that he was probably in favor of some immigration reform just from those answers. And yes it is coming and it is much better if our guys (Ryan and Rubio) get the credit for it.

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 9:11 PM

The “liberalization” of political conservatives is on display here—use a fork and chew slowly, (or you may choke on it).

Rovin on January 14, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Paul Ryan never received pushback from right on his marathon lies only because it was during the heat of the election. His glib lies and making up numbers like a liberal would make Clinton proud.

HH: I’ve just gotta ask, what’s your personal best?

PR: Under three, high twos. I had a two hour and fifty-something.

HH: Holy smokes. All right, now you go down to Miami University…

PR: I was fast when I was younger, yeah.

Then when his real time, 4hr 1min 25 sec was found out, he weaseled

I hurt my back when I was in my mid-20s, so I had to stop running. And so obviously, my perception of races and times was off. I thought that was an ordinary time until my brother showed me a 3-hour marathon is, you know, very — crazy fast. I ran a 4-hour marathon.

Yeah right, HH told you it was crazy fast in the first interview, liar.

sauldalinsky on January 14, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Why would Ryan want to get involved with the debt ceiling in a public matter? It has only made Boehner very unpopular and nothing is going to come of it. Why would he want to ruin his Presidential chances for absolutely nothing in return? As for immigration reform, Ryan and Rubio are probably allies on this already.

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 8:55 PM

BZZZZZT

Thanks for playing, but that’s incorrect. Boehner’s not unpopular because of the debt ceiling (or fiscal cliff or whatever), but rather because of how he *handled* it (or didn’t, as the case may be).

If Ryan comes out publicly with the right stance on the debt ceiling issue, it could be hugely popular for him. Or he can hide behind Boehner and Rubio on these topics, and it will *not* be popular for him.

Midas on January 14, 2013 at 9:12 PM

This is probably a long term principled stand by Ryan.

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 9:11 PM

Odd how we never heard of these ‘long term principles’ of his during the election, or in fact before that? He suddenly discovers these ‘principles’ when they are the most politically convenient.

sharrukin on January 14, 2013 at 9:16 PM

Idiocy. Plain and simple.

Amnesty will never solve the problem. We have had 7 smaller amnesties since the biggie in 1986, all of which have made the problem WORSE.

The same idiots advocating for amnesty for the NINTH time would be the same idiots who think solving the problem of a sinking ocean liner with a hole below the water line is solved by declaring the incoming seawater to be “cargo”. How about fixing the leak (secure the border and INTERIOR enforcement and visa control), then bail (solid attrition through enforcement to encourage illegals to go home BY THEMSELVES)!

The SOLUTION to illegal immigration is to remove all the magnets and benefits which draw them to our country — jobs, in-state tuition, free this, free that, ad nauseum.

Mandatory and universal E-Verify is a start, but Boehner and Dave Camp sat on their backsides for HR 2885. And Heath Shuler’s SAVE Act died twice in earlier sessions.


Attrition is the most popular
efficient economical and just way to do it.


Let an illegal alien explain it to you
.

fred5678 on January 14, 2013 at 9:16 PM

I applied for my CC today.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 14, 2013 at 9:09 PM

Your C-cups or your crack cocaine?

Bishop on January 14, 2013 at 9:19 PM

Your C-cups or your crack cocaine?

Bishop on January 14, 2013 at 9:19 PM

*gazes down at lack of chest*
Definitely C-Cups.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 14, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Why do so many uninformed Repubs think they can out-pander the Dems for the 54% of Hispanics who favor amnesty (and LOSE the Conservative base) instead of appealing to the 40% of Hispanics who favor attrition (and KEEP the Conservative base)?


See the numbers here
. Repubs — (Ryan, et al) GET INFORMED!!!! Don’t swallow the MSM hogwash assumption that all Hispanics want amnesty.

fred5678 on January 14, 2013 at 9:22 PM

It’s odd how Rubio and Ryan think that emulating the establishment is the path to further their political ambitions. It may keep them in Congress, but it’s not going to put them in the WH.

INC on January 14, 2013 at 9:23 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on January 14, 2013 at 9:09 PM

BTW, not sure if you ever saw my response to you from a long while back, but I ran across an interview with Milton Friedman, and he was against a Jindal-type of school voucher system

sauldalinsky on January 14, 2013 at 9:26 PM

So far I am impressed.
KCB on January 14, 2013 at 9:07 PM

DeMint was the driving force against amnesty last time around, so I’m thinking that baton will be passed to Cruz. Cruz is Mr. Rule of Law and told a hispanic tv station in an interview that the DACA dreamers should be deported. Yowzer. KBH was pro-amnesty, so I think Cruz being on our side will keep Cornyn to the right (up for re-election in 2014)

TxAnn56 on January 14, 2013 at 9:26 PM

So in short,
Ryan is supporting Hussein .
Waytogo Ryan….

burrata on January 14, 2013 at 9:01 PM

They’re both outmaneuvering Barry so that they get the credit for the eventual reform.

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 9:04 PM

You mean sort of like Mitt’s brilliant strategy to outmaneuver Barry on ObamaCare?

You just knew that pretty much the same stuff used to try to shove Romney down our throats was going to be applied to RubioRyanJebWhateverGOPeHeartthrob. Sorry, folks. The game of shaking empty suits in people’s faces didn’t work in 2012, and it won’t work in 2016. The GOP’s on life-support anyway.

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 9:31 PM

So this time around, illegals will convert themselves in to patriotic conservative Americans as soon as they become US citizens , right ? And there will be no more illegals busting through our borders and airports and universities once this amnesty is implemented, right ?
No more illegal aliens ….yyyaaaaayyy…:O

burrata on January 14, 2013 at 8:29 PM

What seems to be lost in this immigration debate—-mostly among those who don’t have to deal with illegals frequently, is that we ain’t exact;y getting the cream of the crop here. I’ll grant you most of them work their asses off but the amount of taxes they pay for the services they and junior/mija x7 receive just doesn’t add up.

My point is how do you convince uneducated people to do the right thing when the other side says “hey we’ll give it to ya”?

arnold ziffel on January 14, 2013 at 9:31 PM

I support immigration policies based on our labor shortages primarily, and proof of financial self-sustainability, second. Just like most other advanced countries. No sane country wants to import a mass of government dependents. No sane country wants to dilute its labor force with unneeded workers.

petefrt on January 14, 2013 at 9:31 PM

Your C-cups or your crack cocaine?

Bishop on January 14, 2013 at 9:19 PM

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*gazes down at lack of chest*
Definitely C-Cups.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 14, 2013 at 9:21 PM

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Way too much info !

listens2glenn on January 14, 2013 at 9:31 PM

It’s odd how Rubio and Ryan think that emulating the establishment is the path to further their political ambitions. It may keep them in Congress, but it’s not going to put them in the WH.

INC on January 14, 2013 at 9:23 PM

It’s not really odd at all. It’s how the game is played now. It may win a hollow nomination, but as you say it definitely won’t win the WH.

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 9:32 PM

Oh, look! Some self-appointed righwingyahoo has administered Teh Purity Test ™ and found another rube lacking.

John the Libertarian

Speaking of rubes. If the sovereignty of the country is negotiable, what isn’t?

They’re both outmaneuvering Barry so that they get the credit for the eventual reform.

Illinidiva

They wish. Obama is president. There is no way in hell either will get credit for an amnesty bill signed by Obama. They will be held responsible though, and republicans will pay for it in 2014. And then the game is officially over forever(in case anyone is left who doesn’t know that it already is).

xblade on January 14, 2013 at 9:33 PM

Odd how we never heard of these ‘long term principles’ of his during the election, or in fact before that? He suddenly discovers these ‘principles’ when they are the most politically convenient.

sharrukin on January 14, 2013 at 9:16 PM

Has always had these principles.. Watch some of the guys’ townhall clips. He represents a farming district in WI.

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 9:33 PM

War on voters

It’s the stupid party for so many reasons.

Schadenfreude on January 14, 2013 at 9:33 PM

This is probably a long term principled stand by Ryan.

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 9:11 PM

Odd how we never heard of these ‘long term principles’ of his during the election, or in fact before that? He suddenly discovers these ‘principles’ when they are the most politically convenient.

sharrukin on January 14, 2013 at 9:16 PM

LOL. Rubio could come out for blanket amnesty and confiscation of all guns, Ryan could concur, and some would say it was just a principled stand AND good electoral politics, ya friggin’ purist. We know the drill.

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 9:34 PM

TxAnn56 on January 14, 2013 at 9:26 PM

I want to see him more on camera. I know it sounds superficial, but I feel certain he has the substance. I hope he can convey it to the regular guy and gal.

KCB on January 14, 2013 at 9:34 PM

*gazes down at lack of chest*
Definitely C-Cups.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 14, 2013 at 9:21 PM

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Way too much info !

listens2glenn on January 14, 2013 at 9:31 PM

Yeah, wish you hadn’t said that. I love the athletic lookin’ gals.

petefrt on January 14, 2013 at 9:35 PM

Republicans Freed the slaves. How did that work out for them?

astonerii on January 14, 2013 at 9:05 PM

It’s been pretty good actually.
Slaves were freed.
Blacks were told to believe that Dr MLK Jr freed them and Republicans are the KKK, so blacks have been loyal Dem voters for generations.
Hussein and Bllinton actually fancy themselves to be Lincoln .
So it’s been very profitable .
:D :D

burrata on January 14, 2013 at 9:36 PM

For anti-Rubio folks, because he supports immigration reform, I have a question:

Is there going to be any potential candidate in 2016 that you can support? It looks like they all are going to have or will have some kind of immigration reform plan or will end up supporting Rubio’s plan.

And please don’t say Rick Santorum…It is not going to happen.

William Eaton on January 14, 2013 at 9:36 PM

You mean sort of like Mitt’s brilliant strategy to outmaneuver Barry on ObamaCare?

You just knew that pretty much the same stuff used to try to shove Romney down our throats was going to be applied to RubioRyanJebWhateverGOPeHeartthrob. Sorry, folks. The game of shaking empty suits in people’s faces didn’t work in 2012, and it won’t work in 2016. The GOP’s on life-support anyway.

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 9:31 PM

So Barry was in power in 2005 when Romney passed the MA law?? That is a neat trick. And yes Ryan or Rubio will be the Presidential nominee in 2016. Why is that a bad thing?

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 9:37 PM

For anti-Rubio folks, because he supports immigration reform, I have a question:

Is there going to be any potential candidate in 2016 that you can support? It looks like they all are going to have or will have some kind of immigration reform plan or will end up supporting Rubio’s plan.

And please don’t say Rick Santorum…It is not going to happen.

William Eaton on January 14, 2013 at 9:36 PM

Who says anyone’s not going to happen? It’s that phony “inevitable” garbage all over again. “Rubio’s the ONLY choice!!!!!”

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 9:38 PM

As if Libertarians would vote for the GOP nominee to begin with.

Myron Falwell on January 14, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Comment of the Day, Losertarian Smackdown Edition™

Steve Eggleston on January 14, 2013 at 9:38 PM

So Barry was in power in 2005 when Romney passed the MA law?? That is a neat trick. And yes Ryan or Rubio will be the Presidential nominee in 2016. Why is that a bad thing?

Illinidiva on January 14, 2013 at 9:37 PM

If that happens, there won’t be a GOP for them to represent. And that may not be a bad thing.

ddrintn on January 14, 2013 at 9:39 PM

For anti-Rubio folks, because he supports immigration reform, I have a question:

Is there going to be any potential candidate in 2016 that you can support? It looks like they all are going to have or will have some kind of immigration reform plan or will end up supporting Rubio’s plan.

And please don’t say Rick Santorum…It is not going to happen.

William Eaton on January 14, 2013 at 9:36 PM

Does the GOP need to exist if it’s just going to serve the interest of the GOP and not for the people who vote for the GOP?

ninjapirate on January 14, 2013 at 9:39 PM

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