McChrystal: Time to think about bringing back the draft?

posted at 6:31 pm on January 13, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

General Stanley McChrystal is still making the rounds plugging his new book, as well as talking about any old issue of the day the media cares to toss his way. He sat down on Face the Nation this morning and hit a few of the standard questions on Afghanistan, gun control and Chuck Hagel, before Bob Schieffer decided to ask him whether or not it was time to bring back the draft. (H/T NRO)

When asked about his thoughts on implementing a draft on CBS’s Face the Nation, General Stanley A. McChrystal said national service would have a positive impact because it would “bind people to their nation” and “pull people together in shared experiences.”

Just to get it in context, here’s the video and a transcript of a few of the applicable comments for you.

Schieffer: Would you favor a draft?

McChrystal: I personally believe that national service is important for the nation, and that’s having all young people serve a term of national service. Certainly not all military. But I believe those things do have two effects. One, those things that bind people to their nation are important, and another thing is that we’re also a nation that doesn’t get to know each other too well. Someone from one part of an inner city never meets another person from an upper class neighborhood. We need some things that pull people together in shared experience. We need to be ten years after the fact when they are meeting somewhere, ‘Where did you serve?’ begins a connection that allows them to move on because we are getting too fragmented in my view.

The media’s take on this during this administration is an interesting study in the evolution of the coverage of war under Bush and then Obama. During the Bush years, the big drumbeat from the media was to have Congress threaten to bring back the draft so all of the “rich kids of Republicans who call for war but never serve” would have to go to battle. The rationale there was to have it serve as a cudgel to end the war. But now that Obama is leading The Good War and working on Getting Us Out Responsibly, the draft question is suddenly being treated with a new level of serious inquiry.

But hearing all of McChrystal’s comments in context, he’s not exactly pushing for drafting every high school graduate into the Army. (Though he doesn’t rule out some mandatory military service.) He seems to be suggesting it as one possible option in a variety of choices. And this isn’t something new for him. In fact, he recently wrote an editorial on the subject.

“Service member” should not apply only to those in uniform, but to us all.

The concept of national service is not new, nor is it outdated. When America needs it, national service is the personal obligation of every American. And she needs it now.

All of us bear an obligation to serve—an obligation that goes beyond paying taxes, voting, or adhering to the law. America is falling short in endeavors that occur far away from any battlefield: education, science, politics, the environment, and cultivating leadership, among others.

Without a sustained focus on these foundations of our society, America’s long-term security and prosperity are at risk.

The idea of a national draft is, at this point, essentially a non-starter. There are also problems with mandating any other form of public service at the federal level. But it’s a good discussion to have, if only to remind people that the real way to have young people give something back is to instill those values at home from an early age, with parents teaching by the example they set for their kids. Yet another crazy idea, I suppose.


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…has he been drud tested lately?

KOOLAID2 on January 13, 2013 at 6:33 PM

DRUG!

KOOLAID2 on January 13, 2013 at 6:33 PM

The idea of a national draft is, at this point, essentially a non-starter. There are also problems with mandating any other form of public service at the federal level.

…oh geez!…don’t give JugEars a chance to execute another EO!

KOOLAID2 on January 13, 2013 at 6:35 PM

. Yet another crazy idea, I suppose.

…more flexibility!

KOOLAID2 on January 13, 2013 at 6:36 PM

All of us bear an obligation to serve—an obligation that goes beyond paying taxes, voting, or adhering to the law. America is falling short in endeavors that occur far away from any battlefield: education, science, politics, the environment, and cultivating leadership, among others.

Without a sustained focus on these foundations of our society, America’s long-term security and prosperity are at risk

…JugEars will love it!

KOOLAID2 on January 13, 2013 at 6:37 PM

…if you guys don’t get here…I can’t get back to the football thread!

KOOLAID2 on January 13, 2013 at 6:37 PM

…all the Republicans are sh!tti!ng on each other on the other thread…come poo poo here!

KOOLAID2 on January 13, 2013 at 6:38 PM

When asked about his thoughts on implementing a draft on CBS’s Face the Nation, General Stanley A. McChrystal said national service would have a positive impact because it would “bind people to their nation” and “pull people together in shared experiences.”

That worked so well in the Vietnam era, didn’t it?

thebrokenrattle on January 13, 2013 at 6:38 PM

thebrokenrattle on January 13, 2013 at 6:38 PM

…thanks!

KOOLAID2 on January 13, 2013 at 6:39 PM

I’m ~1/2 way through Gen McChrystal’s new book “My Share of the Task.”

A great read and I highly recommend it.

ted c on January 13, 2013 at 6:39 PM

I will never support a draft that forces anyone to serve Obama.

b1jetmech on January 13, 2013 at 6:39 PM

McChrystal: I personally believe that national service is important for the nation, and that’s having all young people serve a term of national service. Certainly not all military.

The concept of national service is not new, nor is it outdated. When America needs it, national service is the personal obligation of every American. And she needs it now.

Maybe we could set up a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded as the military?

sharrukin on January 13, 2013 at 6:39 PM

We need to stop getting involved in every assault against mankind and clean up our own house.
If we draft, put those soldiers at our borders and protect our own interests, not everyone else’s.

RovesChins on January 13, 2013 at 6:40 PM

because it would “bind people to their nation” and “pull people together in shared experiences.”

…isn’t JugEars doing all that?

KOOLAID2 on January 13, 2013 at 6:40 PM

ask yourself, who benefits? Does the civilian population by having some shared service? yes, they’ll benefit after the fact. Does the military benefit acutely by having numbers? Well, yes, but only if they need them. If there is compulsory service, but no work to be done–then morale suffers. If there is compulsory service, we’ll also bring in a lot of kids that we really, no really, don’t want to be representatives of the military.

ted c on January 13, 2013 at 6:41 PM

You know what? I want to see it. I want the draft to be restored under Barky’s watch, and then I want to see the feminist infighting when this time around it’s male and female…

Gingotts on January 13, 2013 at 6:42 PM

McChrystal/Colon Powell –2012, Ds

Schadenfreude on January 13, 2013 at 6:45 PM

This jackass spoke candidly with Rolling Stone Magazine. We’re ally want an idiot like that calling for a draft?
Especially since most of his DC set would be able to buy their kids out of the lottery.

And, A question: women’s lib….do you include girls in that draft?

RovesChins on January 13, 2013 at 6:46 PM

You know what? I want to see it. I want the draft to be restored under Barky’s watch, and then I want to see the feminist infighting when this time around it’s male and female…

Gingotts on January 13, 2013 at 6:42 PM

Great minds, but you got there first.

RovesChins on January 13, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Hey dumbass. The military is currently downsizing. You might have missed that with your head up all that liberal ass.

hawkdriver on January 13, 2013 at 6:48 PM

yeah the russian conscript service was great, many so stupid the weapons had to be geared towards them.
a conscript force will give you lazy unmotivated forces.

worked with conscripted german forces in the 80′s. not a model to emulate.
funny…powell was there too during that time…..

dmacleo on January 13, 2013 at 6:48 PM

I won’t support a draft long as a Democrat is in the White House, especially this one. Besides, would he really accept more Americans learning how to use real assault rifles?

Liam on January 13, 2013 at 6:49 PM

Would it have a salubrious effect on the nation? Absolutely.

Do I encourage Republicans to demagogue the hell out of him over it? Absolutely.

HitNRun on January 13, 2013 at 6:52 PM

I am not against the draft but I don’t trust the Democrats not to do something with it that most of us wouldn’t care for. His qualifier Certainly not all military.” raises a red flag on this.

sharrukin on January 13, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Someone from one part of an inner city never meets another person from an upper class neighborhood.

Yes they do. It’s called home break-ins and car jackings and flash mobs. This McChrystal is one dumb bugger.

VorDaj on January 13, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Simply not possible.

Congress would have to take one of the following mutually-exclusive positions:

1 – Men and women are inherently equal, therefore, women will also be subject to the draft.

2 – Men and women are inherently unequal, therefore, women will not be subject to the draft.

Name a congresscritter willing to make either statement in public.

Washington Nearsider on January 13, 2013 at 6:57 PM

This jackass spoke candidly with Rolling Stone Magazine. We’re ally want an idiot like that calling for a draft?
Especially since most of his DC set would be able to buy their kids out of the lottery.

And, A question: women’s lib….do you include girls in that draft?

RovesChins on January 13, 2013 at 6:46 PM

Yeppers, and he got what he deserved trusting a reporter from Rolling Stone to keep things “off the record.” But seeing him on the current talk shows, you can see why he did it. Seems like him and people like Powell like being media Wh0res

melle1228 on January 13, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Name a congresscritter willing to make either statement in public.

Washington Nearsider on January 13, 2013 at 6:57 PM

LOL– Todd Akin? Hank Johnson?

There are some really dumb polticians current and former.

melle1228 on January 13, 2013 at 6:59 PM

When asked about his thoughts on implementing a draft on CBS’s Face the Nation, General Stanley A. McChrystal said national service would have a positive impact because it would “bind people to their nation” and “pull people together in shared experiences.”

So did the Hitler Youth programs.

meci on January 13, 2013 at 7:00 PM

one dumb bugger.

VorDaj on January 13, 2013 at 6:56 PM

…”mother” said you spelled bugger wrong!

KOOLAID2 on January 13, 2013 at 7:00 PM

We need to be ten years after the fact when they are meeting somewhere, ‘Where did you serve?’

And some would say the Army and most would say ACORN. Why don’t you go back to Afcrapistan, Stanley, and have some nice tea with your Afghan Partners in Peace and don’t forget to write.

VorDaj on January 13, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Are we still perpetuating the myth that the military services are composed of those who are poor and can’t get any other “job”?

The same crap was peddled during Vietnam. Until it was found – and promptly NOT publicized – that the vast majority of draftees were from the WHITE MIDDLE CLASS.

GarandFan on January 13, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Wouldn’t a draft go against every leftist/progressive tenant? Why am I so against it then? Should I be for it knowing many of the undisciplined worthless types would be drafted? Quandary?

Bmore on January 13, 2013 at 7:04 PM

No child of mine will serve this administration in any way. I feel sorry for the parents who have to worry about what the moron in the WH will do to get their children who are serving now killed. Luckily my daughter is 13 so (fingers crossed) chances are it won’t be an issue.

Night Owl on January 13, 2013 at 7:04 PM

melle1228 on January 13, 2013 at 6:59 PM

True. I’m sure the GOP could find a way to turn this into a losing issue.

Washington Nearsider on January 13, 2013 at 7:05 PM

…”mother” said you spelled bugger wrong!

KOOLAID2 on January 13, 2013 at 7:00 PM

Definition of BUGGER
1: sodomite
2: a worthless person
3: a small or annoying thing

Origin of BUGGER
Middle English bougre heretic, from Anglo-French bugre, from Medieval Latin Bulgarus, literally, Bulgarian; from the association of Bulgaria with the Bogomils, who were accused of sodomy
First Known Use: 1555

VorDaj on January 13, 2013 at 7:05 PM

“Service member” should not apply only to those in uniform, but to us all.

The concept of national service is not new, nor is it outdated. When America needs it, national service is the personal obligation of every American. And she needs it now.

All of us bear an obligation to serve—an obligation that goes beyond paying taxes, voting, or adhering to the law. America is falling short in endeavors that occur far away from any battlefield: education, science, politics, the environment, and cultivating leadership, among others.

Without a sustained focus on these foundations of our society, America’s long-term security and prosperity are at risk.

I can’t really put my finger on what it is that so grates that I want to yell, “FO, AH!” I’ll have to think about it some.

Dusty on January 13, 2013 at 7:06 PM

Actually, to understand duties and responsibilities imposed by the 2nd Amendment, you need to understand that every adult, able bodied, male citizen of the USA , of a specific age range(16?-55) is actually already in the Army. Now it is unpaid service and it is called the Militia. You are also responsible for paying for your own “kit” and training.

Note, as I am over 68 and retired military, I am now legally exempt. Still, if push comes to shove, I expect I’d be toward the head of the line.

19k30 retired

Linh_My on January 13, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Linh_My on January 13, 2013 at 7:07 PM

; )

Bmore on January 13, 2013 at 7:08 PM

The same crap was peddled during Vietnam. Until it was found – and promptly NOT publicized – that the vast majority of draftees were from the WHITE MIDDLE CLASS.

GarandFan on January 13, 2013 at 7:01 PM

This is true and blacks were somewhat “underrepresented” in proportion to their share of the 18-26 male population. Some of the richest areas had a higher percentage in the military.

VorDaj on January 13, 2013 at 7:09 PM

The idea of a national draft is, at this point, essentially a non-starter.

lol…imagine the strain on State Universities and Community Colleges.

You would, however, see a definite rise in HS graduates!

lol….sweet memories.

Tim_CA on January 13, 2013 at 7:11 PM

Of all those who served in Vietnam, 10.6%, were black. At the time of the Vietnam War, Blacks represented approximately 12.5% of the total U.S. military age population. So Black were significantly to substantially ‘underrepresented’. This is the exact opposite of what the lamestream have claimed.

VorDaj on January 13, 2013 at 7:12 PM

VorDaj on January 13, 2013 at 7:05 PM

(:->)
…mother was looking for the F word!

KOOLAID2 on January 13, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Make all illegal aliens serve 4 years before they are allowed to apply for citizenship.

That would give us the largest military in the world and teach the moochers the basics of the America credo.

profitsbeard on January 13, 2013 at 7:13 PM

Of all those who served in Vietnam, 10.6%, were black. At the time of the Vietnam War, Blacks represented approximately 12.5% of the total U.S. military age population. So Black were significantly to substantially ‘underrepresented’. This is the exact opposite of what the lamestream have claimed.

VorDaj on January 13, 2013 at 7:12 PM

…and now look at the pictures of those who have died in the ME wars…

KOOLAID2 on January 13, 2013 at 7:14 PM

Of all those who served in Vietnam, 10.6%, were black. At the time of the Vietnam War, Blacks represented approximately 12.5% of the total U.S. military age population. So Black were significantly to substantially ‘underrepresented’. This is the exact opposite of what the lamestream have claimed.

VorDaj on January 13, 2013 at 7:12 PM

…and now look at the pictures of those who have died in the ME wars…

KOOLAID2 on January 13, 2013 at 7:14 PM

Just remember, it’s not racist to hate white folks for being white.

SWalker on January 13, 2013 at 7:16 PM

Obama is gutting the military, why would we need a draft?

ctmom on January 13, 2013 at 7:17 PM

But it’s a good discussion to have, if only to remind people that the real way to have young people give something back is to instill those values at home from an early age, with parents teaching by the example they set for their kids.

I don’t “give something back.” I give. That socialist phrase implies that whatever one has is somehow a gift and that we all owe a debt to society for our entire lives. It’s not a far walk from “giving back” to “taking back” when you accept that premise. Obama’s “you didn’t build that” remark is a product of that idea. The left is always perverting the language for their own ends and “giving back” is an example.

I teach my kids to be generous, compassionate and patriotic. But I also tell them they are the owners of their lives and the mortgage is paid in full.

RadClown on January 13, 2013 at 7:18 PM

The draft I would favor would be a lottery draft to select Generals. The participants would be those who are O5 and O6, WO4 and W05, and E8 and E9.

VorDaj on January 13, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Obama is gutting the military, why would we need a draft?

ctmom on January 13, 2013 at 7:17 PM

These guys need to be better trained.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOtGr1JFCnE

sharrukin on January 13, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Obama is gutting the military, why would we need a draft?

ctmom on January 13, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Somebody gonna have to round up all them white conservatives who refuse to convert to Marxism… o_O

SWalker on January 13, 2013 at 7:20 PM

That would have to beat what we have now.

VorDaj on January 13, 2013 at 7:20 PM

Obama is gutting the military, why would we need a draft?

ctmom on January 13, 2013 at 7:17 PM

…because like everything else JugEars does…nobody wants it!

KOOLAID2 on January 13, 2013 at 7:20 PM

A few days ago McChrystal came out against the 2nd amendment and now he’s in favor of the draft. It’s very clever he doesn’t wear his uniform but I think people are going to figure him out anyway.

FloatingRock on January 13, 2013 at 7:22 PM

CAGEMATCH!

McCrystal vs Wesley Clark

There Can Be Only One Pet Liberal General Dipshit.

rayra on January 13, 2013 at 7:24 PM

Eh, I don’t want some fud next to me in a foxhole who thinks that high magazine bullet clips turn people into murderers.

Bishop on January 13, 2013 at 7:24 PM

McChrystal is talking about “having all young people serve a term of national service. Certainly not all military.” I would guess that only a minority of young people would wind up in the military, while the rest would spend their two years volunteering for whichever nonprofit organizations meet with the government’s approval. (Or possibly they could volunteer government agencies — if AFSCME, SEIU, NEA, and AFGE approve.)

J.S.K. on January 13, 2013 at 7:25 PM

… volunteer FOR government agencies …

J.S.K. on January 13, 2013 at 7:26 PM

These guys need to be better trained.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOtGr1JFCnE

sharrukin on January 13, 2013 at 7:19 PM

And lose weight.

Liam on January 13, 2013 at 7:26 PM

If we are going to have a military as small as what they are planning, we need to have a large pool of people with at least some basic military training on which to draw in an emergency. Having a peacetime draft where people are drafted, trained, serve a very short period of active service (say, 18 months total) and are sent back into “the economy” would create a pool of trained people that could be called up in an emergency.

What we are looking at if we don’t do that is dire. With an Army the smallest it has been since world war ONE, if we needed to call up a large force from completely untrained individuals, it would take too long.

People who have already been trained to shoot, have had some military specialty, even if they are rusty, are shorter to re-train than someone who has never heard the command “half-right face!”.

crosspatch on January 13, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Obama is gutting the military, why would we need a draft?

ctmom on January 13, 2013 at 7:17 PM

…because like everything else JugEars does…nobody wants it!

KOOLAID2 on January 13, 2013 at 7:20 PM

It’s actually pretty scary, McHeaduphisass knows all to well that the vast majority of enlisted military personal are highly patriotic conservative individuals. In other words, his and Obama beloved Marxist fellow traveling useless imbeciles are dramatically and profoundly unrepresented in the enlisted ranks.

The majority of Officers wouldn’t have any problem ordering their troops to open fire on their fellow Americans, it’s the enlisted majority of our military that would refuse if anyone refused.

Everybody keeps asking about Benghazi… who gave the order to stand down… The more important question is and always was… Who in the hell obeyed that order.

SWalker on January 13, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Not a bad idea, what with all battle hardened veterans as TI/DI’s now some of those OWS and Emo types could get some real life experience. Oh yeah.

jake49 on January 13, 2013 at 7:28 PM

You know what’s wrong with our military? It allows the likes of the McChrystal’s, Powell’s, Petreus’s, Clark’s, etc. to rise to prominence. Liberalism is just as entrenched in the military as it is elsewhere. The acceptance of incompetence continues unabated.

lowandslow on January 13, 2013 at 7:29 PM

That little slavery itch never goes away for democrats, does it? It’s always there inside, waiting to come out in one way or another.

xblade on January 13, 2013 at 7:30 PM

Jeez……Old Stan just has one bad idea after another, doesn’t he? Must be bucking for a job with zerobama

HBowmanMD on January 13, 2013 at 7:32 PM

Force the straights to serve with the pickle puffers and carpet munchers. It all makes sense to a Lib lile Mc.

rik on January 13, 2013 at 7:32 PM

… volunteer FOR government agencies …

J.S.K. on January 13, 2013 at 7:26 PM

I volunteer for “Chief Breast Squeezer” at the TSA.

Tim_CA on January 13, 2013 at 7:33 PM

… volunteer FOR government agencies …

J.S.K. on January 13, 2013 at 7:26 PM

I volunteer for “Chief Breast Squeezer” at the TSA.

Tim_CA on January 13, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Be careful what you ask for, Micheal Moore, Al Franken and Barney Franks are likely to go through the line multiple times… o_O

SWalker on January 13, 2013 at 7:37 PM

… volunteer FOR government agencies …

J.S.K. on January 13, 2013 at 7:26 PM

I volunteer for “Chief Breast Squeezer” at the TSA.

Tim_CA on January 13, 2013 at 7:33 PM

…and knowing you…YOU don’t want to wear ANY uniform!
(:->)

KOOLAID2 on January 13, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Translation – “We must all stoop to serve Emperor Obama”.

ghostwalker1 on January 13, 2013 at 7:41 PM

The media’s take on this during this administration is an interesting study in the evolution of the coverage of war under Bush and then Obama.

Well, if we’re going to have a “national discussion” about re-instituting the draft and the reasons why it might be a good idea, can we at the same time save a little space in the discussion for critiquing the rationale for and the motives of those who wanted it removed in the first place?

I suspect that will be swept under the rug as well since those who now entertain the idea are of the same bent as those instrumental in removing it in the first place.

Now that they’re in charge national conscription suddenly takes on a whole different meaning.

Cleombrotus on January 13, 2013 at 7:41 PM

Micheal Moore, Al Franken and Barney Franks are likely to go through the line multiple times… o_O

SWalker on January 13, 2013 at 7:37 PM

never mind…I’d rather be drafted.

Tim_CA on January 13, 2013 at 7:43 PM

The only group I would recommend mandatory service for is the group of maroons who educate our children. And this is before they are allowed into a classroom.

Rio Linda Refugee on January 13, 2013 at 7:44 PM

YOU don’t want to wear ANY uniform!
(:->)

KOOLAID2 on January 13, 2013 at 7:39 PM

True…but now SW ruined it for me….I’m off to Afghanistan.

Tim_CA on January 13, 2013 at 7:45 PM

I’m not in favor of a draft but if we have another one I sure hope it’s a lot different than the last one.

No deferments of any kind. Want to go to college? Go after your service is up.

I like the idea of having the so called elites kids called up as well as those from the middle class and the poor. Let everyone have some skin in the game. No more Al Gore’s going to Vietnam and only spending 141 days as opposed to the year that all else had to serve.

McCain Hater on January 13, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Make all illegal aliens serve 4 years before they are allowed to apply for citizenship.

That would give us the largest military in the world and teach the moochers the basics of the America credo.

profitsbeard on January 13, 2013 at 7:13 PM

I dunno. Why do MS-13′s work for them?

Cleombrotus on January 13, 2013 at 7:47 PM

And lose weight.

Liam on January 13, 2013 at 7:26 PM

That too. :)

sharrukin on January 13, 2013 at 7:52 PM

Sure, it’ll work but they’re going to get a different kind of recruit, whose idea of “national service” is going to have a different kind of “patriotism” than generations before, and their understanding of exactly who and what they would be swearing allegiance to will be correspondingly different.

Cleombrotus on January 13, 2013 at 7:52 PM

I know! We can grab 50 men and women at random from Detroit, send them through basic, and then send the general back to Afghanistan to man a FOB with them.

andycanuck on January 13, 2013 at 7:53 PM

without a major war this will not happen. And mandatory ‘civilian service’ is just nuts. If the nation was stupid enough to do it, the SEIU would unionize the entire thing in a month…and the Left would get most of the dues.

this is what the DC cocktail parties talk about when they want to look ‘wonky’…instead of the trillion plus dollar deficit…which btw is, as a percentage of gdp, higher than most of the troubled EU.

this is what passes for our intellectual betters

r keller on January 13, 2013 at 7:54 PM

First things first… If everyone has to be on the hook to defend the nation, how about we first make everyone start paying for the government the nation has? Then, after we do that, I might contemplate upping the ante to forced military service. But if we cannot make everyone pay SOMETHING for the government they have, it seems a bit much to jump right into giving up one’s life.

astonerii on January 13, 2013 at 7:58 PM

YOU don’t want to wear ANY uniform!
(:->)

True…but now SW ruined it for me….I’m off to Afghanistan.

Tim_CA on January 13, 2013 at 7:45 PM

…yeah!…Barney Frank does have a pair!

KOOLAID2 on January 13, 2013 at 7:59 PM

Maybe it will be needed soon.

I don’t know why anyone would sign up with the current regime in charge.

WisCon on January 13, 2013 at 7:59 PM

And some would say the Army and most would say ACORN.

VorDaj on January 13, 2013 at 7:01 PM

I was thinking the administration might draft people to go to the inner city areas to register voters there, help people there apply for welfare and loans they can’t pay back etc. Why leave such essential work undone when ACORN has fallen on hard times? Of course we can’t have these suburban “work” crews be armed so they would get assaulted, raped, robbed etc. but that would be presented as an opportunity to learn the urban challenge experience.

KW64 on January 13, 2013 at 8:07 PM

So let see it is either service with pay in which case we have make work which is big government waste on steroids or without pay which is just robbing the younger generation of the wages that previous American like me born too late for Vietnam or just female didn’t have to forego. Let’s also not forget the career impairment on a generation that the older generation can’t even generate career opportunities for.

He is idiot not to see the difference between a military that people serve that DOESN’T displace something better in its place and this random Peace Corps type thing where only some kind of “bonding” to the country takes place. Please pass the bong I need another hit MAN!

Conan on January 13, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Maybe it will be needed soon.

I don’t know why anyone would sign up with the current regime in charge.

WisCon on January 13, 2013 at 7:59 PM

I was going to make a highly smartass remark, but you hit the nail on the head. Is anyone in their right minds going to want to sign up to get blown away in some 3rd-world dump in an unwinnable mission under Chimpy McStupid?

MelonCollie on January 13, 2013 at 8:10 PM

sharrukin on January 13, 2013 at 6:39 PM

Good thing I read a few of the comments.
That is what I was gonna say.

LegendHasIt on January 13, 2013 at 8:26 PM

Good thing I read a few of the comments.
That is what I was gonna say.

LegendHasIt on January 13, 2013 at 8:26 PM

When that security force comes it will come as a means to help your neighbor and help old ladies across the street.

sharrukin on January 13, 2013 at 8:29 PM

All of us bear an obligation to serve—an obligation that goes beyond paying taxes, voting, or adhering to the law. America is falling short in endeavors that occur far away from any battlefield: education, science, politics, the environment, and cultivating leadership, among others.

We serve dictators and kings.

Well thankfully we do not do that in America.

I have no clue where he gets this garbage from. We have absolutely no duty to serve Obama in any way shape or form.

Sounds like a plank straight from Satan.

Steveangell on January 13, 2013 at 8:35 PM

When that security force comes it will come as a means to help your neighbor and help old ladies across the street.

We should be so lucky. I expect them to be given some of the confiscated firearms and stand perimeter guard around the internment camps, to be ‘wet nurses’ enforcing ‘Directive 10-289′ in the offices and factories across the nation, etc.

LegendHasIt on January 13, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Every male should have at least 1 year military service.

nazo311 on January 13, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Every male should have at least 1 year military service.
nazo311 on January 13, 2013 at 8:43 PM

SEXIST!!!!

LegendHasIt on January 13, 2013 at 8:46 PM

But it’s a good discussion to have, if only to remind people that the real way to have young people give something back is to instill those values at home from an early age, with parents teaching by the example they set for their kids. Yet another crazy idea, I suppose.

Once again, Jazz the statist goes for the leftist argument: “Give something back”.

What did “government” or the State give to anyone, Jazz?

Dante on January 13, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Every male should have at least 1 year military service.

nazo311 on January 13, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Hooray! Legalized kidnapping by the State! Yay, force! Boo freedom!

Dante on January 13, 2013 at 8:47 PM

This gun-grabbing leftist POS was on the local morning show promoting his book last week. I’m no big fan of Steve Gill, but he did make it clear that McChrystal is a leftist moron who won’t let facts get in the way of his feelings and agenda. McChrystal said something to the effect of “I don’t think we need these military type weapons on the streets.” The man stated that he’s no expert on the second amendment…What the heck? You are a former General in the USA. You swore to defend the Constitution and you want to infringe on the second amendment rights of citizens?

I’m thinking they need to add a class on the US Constitution to military training, but have a legitimate Constitutionalist teach it.

pannw on January 13, 2013 at 8:49 PM

I do think everyone should do some kind of service for the country – but I don’t believe it should be mandated by the government.

McChrystal obviously didn’t get many lessons learn from Vietnam. Our all volunteer military is far more skilled, effective and better disciplined than the draftee army ever was. As Bishop indicated, I sure wouldn’t want to be in battle and have my life depend on some pothead who REALLY doesn’t want to be there.

But then I also would not want to go into battle under a C-in-C who doesn’t give a dam about the country and is not willing to take care of his people (see Benghazi).

dentarthurdent on January 13, 2013 at 8:51 PM

Every male should have at least 1 year military service.

nazo311 on January 13, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Why not females? I thought women have equal rights and all…..

dentarthurdent on January 13, 2013 at 8:52 PM

I’m thinking they need to add a class on the US Constitution to military training, but have a legitimate Constitutionalist teach it.

pannw on January 13, 2013 at 8:49 PM

It’s already there. He apparently slept through it.

dentarthurdent on January 13, 2013 at 8:53 PM

Every male should have at least 1 year military service.

nazo311 on January 13, 2013 at 8:43 PM

It would do absolute wonders for the whiners like Dumb-te (“quit your f*cking whining you snot-nosed brat or I swear to God you won’t see the sunrise”) and for the undisciplined welfare brats who have yet to learn respect for their elders.

But that being said…I couldn’t possibly support such a law. Because it would foist tens of thousands of near-useless privates on a military that is already beset with problems on all sides. It would be utter Chaos.

MelonCollie on January 13, 2013 at 8:54 PM

There are also problems with mandating that people purchase services from private companies any other form of public service at the federal level.

Used to be anyhow.

Akzed on January 13, 2013 at 8:56 PM

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