WSJ: Rubio “charges up the middle” on immigration

posted at 11:31 am on January 12, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Earlier this week, I wondered when the next generation of Republican leaders would start competing for ascendancy in the post-Obama GOP.  Marco Rubio has the inside track, I wrote, as the most talented member of the Class of 2010, the Tea Party class that owes little to the pre-existing establishment.  Today, the Wall Street Journal profiles an effort soon to be launched by Rubio on immigration, with a plan that Matthew Kaminski says “charges up the middle” and attempts to defuse a political land mine for Republicans:

Florida’s junior senator and one of America’s most prominent Hispanic politicians wants to take the Republican lead on immigration reform. Getting out front of President Obama’s campaign pledge to overhaul the system in his second term, Mr. Rubio is laying out his ideas for possible legislation.

Whether Mr. Rubio is courageous or foolhardy, the outcome on Capitol Hill and the impact on his career will tell the story. Immigration has long been a profitable wedge issue for Democrats and Republicans. On Wednesday at the Biltmore Hotel near his home here, Mr. Rubio spells out a reform plan that charges up the middle.

His wholesale fix tries to square—triangulate, if you will—the liberal fringe that seeks broad amnesty for illegal immigrants and the hard right’s obsession with closing the door. Mr. Rubio would ease the way for skilled engineers and seasonal farm workers while strengthening border enforcement and immigration laws. As for the undocumented migrants in America today—eight to 12 million or so—he proposes to let them “earn” a working permit and, one day, citizenship.

Those proposals amount to a collection of third rails for any number of lobbies. Organized labor has torpedoed guest-worker programs before. Anything that hints of leniency for illegals may offend the talk-radio wing of the GOP.

The plan offers a number of “modules” that are very familiar, but in a new combination, or so Rubio hopes. It comprises:

  • Gain “operational control” of the border first
  • Enhance employment checks
  • Raise the hard cap on high-tech immigration
  • Create a guest-worker program for low-skill labor
  • A lengthy but not indefinite process for normalizing longer-term illegal residents

The last module will run into considerable opposition from Rubio’s Republican colleagues, who will insist that no amnesty be offered.  Rubio doesn’t see it as amnesty, but as a way to first identify the people who need to be deported, and then to eliminate the permanent underclass of legal-limbo residents.  That status quo hasn’t worked in Europe, Rubio argues, and it won’t work here, either:

“Here’s how I envision it,” he says. “They would have to come forward. They would have to undergo a background check.” Anyone who committed a serious crime would be deported. “They would be fingerprinted,” he continues. “They would have to pay a fine, pay back taxes, maybe even do community service. They would have to prove they’ve been here for an extended period of time. They understand some English and are assimilated. Then most of them would get legal status and be allowed to stay in this country.”

The special regime he envisions is a form of temporary limbo. “Assuming they haven’t violated any of the conditions of that status,” he says, the newly legalized person could apply for permanent residency, possibly leading to citizenship, after some years—but Mr. Rubio doesn’t specify how many years. He says he would also want to ensure that enforcement has improved before opening that gate.

The waiting time for a green card “would have to be long enough to ensure that it’s not easier to do it this way than it would be the legal way,” he says. “But it can’t be indefinite either. I mean it can’t be unrealistic, because then you’re not really accomplishing anything. It’s not good for our country to have people trapped in this status forever. It’s been a disaster for Europe.”

It would have a better chance of passing the Senate than a strict no-amnesty bill would, obviously.  Democrats want to push on immigration reform anyway, and Republicans will have to have a reasonable alternative on the table.  Rubio is under no illusions that this alone will allow the GOP to make inroads with Hispanic voters, but it will at least remove the biggest roadblock:

Is immigration reform a magic bullet for the GOP’s troubles with Hispanic voters?

“No,” Mr. Rubio says, but “the immigration issue is a gateway issue for Hispanics, no doubt about it. No matter what your stance is on a number of other issues, if people somehow come to believe that you don’t like them or want them here, it’s difficult to get them to listen to anything else.”

I’d like to see more detail, especially on how Rubio plans to define the length of residence requirement to enter into the normalization process, along with the method of enforcing that and the commitment to deporting those with criminal records (other than that which attends their immigration status).  The method of certifying border security matters a great deal, too, of course, and the commitment from Democrats this time around to actually securing the border, rather than the double-talk Ronald Reagan got in 1986.  These are not mere details, but critical to the nature of the approach.

Still, I think Rubio is on the right path, and the sooner that this issue gets off the table, the better off the Republican Party will be.  Given the results of the 2012 elections, we aren’t going to see anything better than this in principle that could resolve the differences between Republicans and Democrats, and its success or failure will tell us — and Hispanic voters — whether Democrats are serious about resolving the issue or just using it for demagoguery.


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Hold the phone, KJ. If liberalism is the minority American political ideology, how in the bloody blue hell did Obama win his second term by such a comfortable margin? It’s a question worth asking…

gryphon202 on January 12, 2013 at 1:08 PM

The GOP also ran a liberal.

sharrukin on January 12, 2013 at 2:29 PM

* Gain “operational control” of the border first

And who decides what “operational control” control means? John McCain and the Democrats think that exists right now.

* Create a guest-worker program for low-skill labor

Why? Given the unemployment rate why is this even under consideration?

sharrukin on January 12, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Next stop

RINOville!

Go get em, Edward.

SD Tom on January 12, 2013 at 2:44 PM

If the Hispanics are well-educated (doctors, engineers, business men and women), I would agree with you. Those sneaking across the border average a fourth grade education and most are those looking for “free stuff.”

bw222 on January 12, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Exactly. They’re welfare recipients whose goal in life is to have as many kids as possible and to mow yards. My brother was an ADA in Harris County for years (and speaks fluent Spanish) and said they can barely speak decent Spanish. You go to any neighborhood in Houston that was a nice middle class area in the 70s and it’s a slum now because of the illegals. They leave trash everywhere and property values plummet when they start moving in. I’d love for some of these amnesty loving elites to come down here and experience what it’s like.

TxAnn56 on January 12, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Exactly. They’re welfare recipients whose goal in life is to have as many kids as possible and to mow yards. My brother was an ADA in Harris County for years (and speaks fluent Spanish) and said they can barely speak decent Spanish. You go to any neighborhood in Houston that was a nice middle class area in the 70s and it’s a slum now because of the illegals. They leave trash everywhere and property values plummet when they start moving in. I’d love for some of these amnesty loving elites to come down here and experience what it’s like.

TxAnn56 on January 12, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Now how many of those illegals in Harris country or in Houston are going to do this:

“Here’s how I envision it,” he (Rubio) says. “They would have to come forward. They would have to undergo a background check.” Anyone who committed a serious crime would be deported. “They would be fingerprinted,” he continues. “They would have to pay a fine, pay back taxes, maybe even do community service. They would have to prove they’ve been here for an extended period of time. They understand some English and are assimilated. Then most of them would get legal status and be allowed to stay in this country.”

Some of you need to calm the heck down and use some common sense.

William Eaton on January 12, 2013 at 2:56 PM

This issue should be slow walked until 2016. Why give Obama any win in what will ultimately be a cave from the GOP.

Let the border governors fight this, and this will also be a great issue for S. Martinez to run with in 16.

Stonewall everything else and just focus on federal spending.

can_con on January 12, 2013 at 2:59 PM

SWalker on January 12, 2013 at 11:55 AM

All that footage of people sneaking acorss the border every day is a mirage? Those sneaking across the border are the uneducated and unskilled who do not fare well regardless of the economy. They are not chemists and engineers.

bw222 on January 12, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Oh please, I live less than 40 miles from the US-Mexico border in Southern California any footage you are seeing is old stock news footage.

SWalker on January 12, 2013 at 3:15 PM

Oh please, I live less than 40 miles from the US-Mexico border in Southern California any footage you are seeing is old stock news footage.

SWalker on January 12, 2013 at 3:15 PM

While I think the gigantic East Berlin – style wall idea is a little too impractical, anti-American, and expensive to be realistic, we really do have to cut down border porousness.

A big way to do that is to disrupt the demand to cross the border — make social services and welfare truly off limits to illegals, actually make an effort to remove illegals that are here, and with fewer people trying to cross the border, it will be more manageable for our bumbling incompetent government to have some control over US territory near the mexican border.

Timin203 on January 12, 2013 at 3:20 PM

SWalker on January 12, 2013 at 3:15 PM

While I think the gigantic East Berlin – style wall idea is a little too impractical, anti-American, and expensive to be realistic, we really do have to cut down border porousness.

A big way to do that is to disrupt the demand to cross the border — make social services and welfare truly off limits to illegals, actually make an effort to remove illegals that are here, and with fewer people trying to cross the border, it will be more manageable for our bumbling incompetent government to have some control over US territory near the mexican border.

Timin203 on January 12, 2013 at 3:20 PM

Do not misunderstand me. I am 100 percent for controlling our borders and maintaining our national sovereignty, make no mistake about that. But illegal immigration is not a serious issue right now and hasn’t been since 2008/9. If we allow the Obamanation Administration to use it as a wedge issue and a distraction, that is exactly what they will do and the real important issues will be swept under the rug and not addressed.

SWalker on January 12, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Amend the 14th Amendment and secure the border first. When those two things are done, then we can have a discussion about what to do with the illegal aliens in the US.

RedRobin145 on January 12, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Do not misunderstand me. I am 100 percent for controlling our borders and maintaining our national sovereignty, make no mistake about that. But illegal immigration is not a serious issue right now and hasn’t been since 2008/9. If we allow the Obamanation Administration to use it as a wedge issue and a distraction, that is exactly what they will do and the real important issues will be swept under the rug and not addressed.

SWalker on January 12, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Oh, yeah, well there are definitely more pressing issues facing our country right now. But, if you haven’t yet noticed, we don’t get to pick the ‘topics for national conversations,’ otherwise we’d be talking about out of control irresponsible runaway debt, both public and private, as well as the loose monetary policy that is a constant threat to the stability of our economy and our currency.

So, we’re going to talk about gun control and immigration now. Because that’s how it works.

Timin203 on January 12, 2013 at 3:33 PM

SWalker on January 12, 2013 at 3:30 PM

At least we’re not talking about binders full of women, Seamus the dog, and Big Bird anymore.

Timin203 on January 12, 2013 at 3:34 PM

If Abe Lincoln were alive today, he would have to change his famous saying to “You can fool most of the people most of the time.”

LegendHasIt on January 12, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Obama lives it. He’ll emulate all things “Lincoln” during the ‘innauguration’, and beyond.

Drudge:

CIVIL W*R: OBAMA DENIES STATES’ PETITIONS TO SECEDE FROM UNION…

Obama to swear in on Lincoln Bible…

Deliver State of the Union on Lincoln’s Birthday, Feb 12…

Oscars to award LINCOLN best picture on Feb 24?

SHARPTON: Obama ready for Mt. Rushmore…

Schadenfreude on January 12, 2013 at 3:41 PM

The GOP also ran a

liberal.

sharrukin on January 12, 2013 at 2:29 PM

I see liberal has no meaning anymore.

thebrokenrattle on January 12, 2013 at 4:08 PM

But, if you haven’t yet noticed, we don’t get to pick the ‘topics for national conversations,’

Timin203 on January 12, 2013 at 3:33 PM

And until we find a way to be in control of the national conversation we will continue to lose and lose badly to the Marxist Democrats.

SWalker on January 12, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Rubio “charges up the middle” … like a rampant, progressive RINO!

Pork-Chop on January 12, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Rubio probably has the credentials to develop a responsible solution to this problem and undercut the phony “generosity” of the Dems.

Why can this legislation not tie in sponsorship by legal immigrants or citizens who would guarantee that the newcomers would not be a drain on our welfare system?

Obysmal was nervous enough about Rubio’s past efforts. That’s why Fearless Leader stole ideas from Rubio and tailored them in a more generous way.

onlineanalyst on January 12, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Oh please, I live less than 40 miles from the US-Mexico border in Southern California any footage you are seeing is old stock news footage.

SWalker on January 12, 2013 at 3:15 PM

Betcha you believed in the Easter Bunny too.

bw222 on January 12, 2013 at 4:16 PM

But illegal immigration is not a serious issue right now and hasn’t been since 2008/9.

SWalker on January 12, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Over $110 billion in federal tax dollars spent annually on illegal aliens (plus an extimated $20 billion spent by your state annually), the fact that your state’s public K-12 educational system has gone fron the best in the country in the 1960s and 1970 to one that ranks with Mississippi and Arkansas (primarily because of the flood of illegal immigrants), hospitals closing because of unpaid bills, etc.,etc. etc. – if these aren’t serious issues, I’d like to hear what you think a serious issue is.

bw222 on January 12, 2013 at 4:28 PM

And until we find a way to be in control of the national conversation we will continue to lose and lose badly to the Marxist Democrats.

SWalker on January 12, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Well, I’m open to hearing ideas. The only thing I’ve heard so far is, “we need to get a billionaire to buy a news channel, and make it conservative.” which would, like fox news, be demagogued and delegitimized by the MSM. Because the MSM are the ones who decide which media organizations are legitimate and which aren’t. And that’s repeated throughout the press, instilled in kids by teachers (you can’t quote certain publications because they’re not a real news source), and part of pop culture.

Timin203 on January 12, 2013 at 4:28 PM

coldwarrior on January 12, 2013 at 12:08 PM

I wish that you would run for the Senate.

onlineanalyst on January 12, 2013 at 4:30 PM

The GOP also ran a liberal.

sharrukin on January 12, 2013 at 2:29 PM

I see liberal has no meaning anymore.

thebrokenrattle on January 12, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Sure it does.
So does conservative.

“My views are progressive” – Mitt Romney

In 1992, Romney voted in the Democratic presidential primary for Paul Tsongas, one of the most liberal Democrats in the Senate, saying Tsongas’ views were more closer to his own than Bill Clinton’s.

Romney donated to the 1992 campaign of U.S. Rep. Dick Swett, a New Hampshire Democrat; Rep. John LaFalce, a New York Democrat; and Democrat Doug Anderson, who was running for the Senate from Utah.

It is now my pleasure to introduce my collaborator and friend Senator Edward Kennedy.” – Mitt Romney

“Look, I was an Independent during the time of Reagan/Bush. I am not trying to return to Reagan/Bush.” – Mitt Romney

“I’m not running as the Republican view or a continuation of Republican values. That’s not what brings me to the race.” – Mitt Romney

I wasn’t a Ronald Reagan conservative.” - Mitt Romney

Hillary Clinton Is Very Much Right, It Does Take A Village, And We Are A Village And We Need To Work Together In A Non-Skeptical, Non-Finger-Pointing Way…” – Mitt Romney

ROMNEY: No, no, I like mandates. The mandates work.

I believe the world is getting warmer, and I believe that humans have contributed to that.’ – Mitt Romney

These carbon emission limits will provide real and immediate progress in the battle to improve our environment. – Mitt Romney

Mr. Romney joined activists outside an aging, coal-fired plant in 2003 to show his commitment to the emissions caps. “I will not create jobs or hold jobs that kill people, and that plant, that plant kills people,” he said.

Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative

Romney said in a press release touting Massachusetts as “the first and only state to set CO2 emissions limits on power plants.”

GOP presidential hopeful Mitt Romney’s camp is defending a controversial program he created that handed out free wheels to Massachusetts welfare recipients — including state-funded insurance and AAA memberships…

The Deval Patrick administration, mired in a fiscal crisis, hit the brakes on the program. Too fiscally irresponsible even for the Democrats.

Supported TARP
Supported auto bailouts
Supported ethanol subsidies

‘I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time that my mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a US Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it.’ – Mitt Romney

“He [Romney] is a supporter of the federal assault weapons ban.”
- Romney 2002 campaign website

“We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them,” he said. “I won’t chip away at them; I believe they protect us and provide for our safety.” – Mitt Romney

“I feel that all people should be allowed to participate in the Boy Scouts regardless of their sexual orientation.” – Mitt Romney

Romney refused to support the Bush tax cuts while governor

Romney refused to sign the No New Taxes pledge when campaigning for Governor

“I will work and fight for stem cell research.” – Mitt Romney

sharrukin on January 12, 2013 at 4:47 PM

If the GOP doesn’t head off the Latino vote..then the GOP never wins the WH again. It’s over and done.

The far right wingers need to understand that is how Obama was reelected. Latinos out in droves to vote Democrat. We have lost every last minority voter, if we lose Latinos, it’s over

I admire any GOP politician who is willing to tackle illegal immigration.

Both parties benefit from illegals who work for ‘peanuts’. Those who live in my state are not on the government dole…THEY actually work, unlike the white and black men.

Redford on January 12, 2013 at 4:53 PM

… nuts on hotair.

HotAirLib on January 12, 2013 at 12:58 PM

HotLips…can’t sing…and is always looking for some nuts!
…sucks…doesn’t it?

KOOLAID2 on January 12, 2013 at 5:01 PM

If the GOP doesn’t head off the Latino vote..then the GOP never wins the WH again. It’s over and done.

The far right wingers need to understand that is how Obama was reelected. Latinos out in droves to vote Democrat. We have lost every last minority voter, if we lose Latinos, it’s over

I admire any GOP politician who is willing to tackle illegal immigration.

Both parties benefit from illegals who work for ‘peanuts’. Those who live in my state are not on the government dole…THEY actually work, unlike the white and black men.

Redford on January 12, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Look at the home countries of the illegal immigrants. And look at the polling data. Clearly most of them support socialist redistribution policies over capitalism. Most don’t have a problem with the GOPs immigration stance — in fact, mexico has much stronger immigration laws than we do.

And I know many illegal immigrants who come here and live off our social services and our “safety net.” Yes, some work hard in manual labor, but they don’t pay taxes, get government benefits, and send whatever left over money back to mexico. All illegally.

Timin203 on January 12, 2013 at 5:05 PM

THEY actually work, unlike the white and black men.

Redford on January 12, 2013 at 4:53 PM

And thats kind of offensive to a white man who used to work in construction. I definitely worked hard. There didn’t really seem to be a racial competent too it, there were lazy and hard working guys of every race on our job sites. The lazy ones didn’t keep their jobs for long.

Timin203 on January 12, 2013 at 5:07 PM

Redford on January 12, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Yeah, being just like Democrats has worked so well for the GOP!

Seriously, I’m sick and tired of you displaced moderate Democrats pretending that you are “reasonable” Republicans.

I agree with you on two points. First, any Republican taking on the issue of illegal immigration is touching the third rail of conservative politics. It is like a Democrat telling a slutty law student to buy her own damn condoms. Rubio’s approach is a muddled mess that tries to incorporate a bunch of very different issues. Border security should be a given no matter what happens to the illegals living in “legal limbo.” Why can’t both parties agree on that much?

Secondly, I’ll attest to the work ethic of the (clearly) illegal aliens living in my area. That really isn’t the point. We’ve created a society where we know there are illegals but go out of our way to ignore the obvious. When I was living in an agricultural part of California it took two school busses to load all the kids from an apartment complex of less than twenty units. We, as a society, are willing to ignore illegals because they provide cheap labor but at what greater cost? It isn’t fair to anybody that we ignore illegal aliens who openly live in our midst. That needs to be addressed as part of any sort of guest worker program.

Happy Nomad on January 12, 2013 at 5:13 PM

And thats kind of offensive to a white man who used to work in construction. I definitely worked hard. There didn’t really seem to be a racial competent too it, there were lazy and hard working guys of every race on our job sites. The lazy ones didn’t keep their jobs for long.

Timin203 on January 12, 2013 at 5:07 PM

Yeah, Redford is off base.

Race or legal status isn’t really the issue when discussing low-skill or manual labor. It’s about who works hard and who hardly works. You can’t slap a generaliztation about whites, blacks, or Hispanics on that fact.

What I want to see in any immigration reform is some acknowledgement of the fact that the illegals benefited from our country (in many cases for decades) without contributing anything other than cheap labor. Amnesty, in whatever form, should not be a
a “get out of legal limbo free” card. And that seems to be what Rubio is advocating.

Happy Nomad on January 12, 2013 at 5:24 PM

You go to any neighborhood in Houston that was a nice middle class area in the 70s and it’s a slum now because of the illegals. They leave trash everywhere and property values plummet when they start moving in. I’d love for some of these amnesty loving elites to come down here and experience what it’s like.

TxAnn56 on January 12, 2013 at 2:45 PM

You just described where I live in Gwinnett County, Georgia. I even live in a red county. When I leave my subdivision and turn left, you would think you’re in some village in Mexico. Complete with gangs/drug cartel and crime. If I make a right turn, I’m still in America, with no gangs/drug cartel and little crime. None of these politicians know what it’s like living in a nightmare.

moonsbreath on January 12, 2013 at 5:26 PM

“Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she

With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me”**

**Unless you’re a Latin American.

Genuine on January 12, 2013 at 5:29 PM

We, as a society, are willing to ignore illegals because they provide cheap labor but at what greater cost? It isn’t fair to anybody that we ignore illegal aliens who openly live in our midst. That needs to be addressed as part of any sort of guest worker program.

Happy Nomad on January 12, 2013 at 5:13 PM

I can’t speak to the agricultural side, but in the construction industry in the NE, they are not doing low paying jobs. Yeah, they all start as laborers, but they make $10 an hour and work up to carpenters making $25-$35 an hour. Cash. And many start their own businesses and make much more than that. Cash.

There are plenty of unemployed Americans who should get off welfare and happily take those entry level jobs and learn some skills, and work their way up the ladder.

The reason the construction industry hires illegals? It’s much cheaper and easier. They pay them in cash, they work when there are jobs available, many of the laborers work for multiple guys so they’re always busy.

All that being said, many of the friends / siblings / children of the illegals I worked with didn’t work and collected money from the government and spent most their time sitting around drinking beer. It always blew my mind.

Timin203 on January 12, 2013 at 5:32 PM

Three words: green card auction.

Count to 10 on January 12, 2013 at 5:36 PM

What I want to see in any immigration reform is some acknowledgement of the fact that the illegals benefited from our country (in many cases for decades) without contributing anything other than cheap labor. Amnesty, in whatever form, should not be a
a “get out of legal limbo free” card. And that seems to be what Rubio is advocating.

Happy Nomad on January 12, 2013 at 5:24 PM

Well, 47% of the citizens in this country contribute nothing through income taxes and benefit even more then these illegals have.

But anyways, I think we should charge a huge fine / back tax to really weed out the immigrants who are hard workers with jobs and want to become americans from the ones who dont want to work and just want to live off the government and vote democrat for the rest of their lives. And I fear that the numbers won’t be pretty when we discover how many of these “hard working, family value” types are really unemployed petty criminals trying to game our welfare and social services systems.

Timin203 on January 12, 2013 at 5:36 PM

“No,” Mr. Rubio says, but “the immigration issue is a gateway issue for Hispanics, no doubt about it. No matter what your stance is on a number of other issues, if people somehow come to believe that you don’t like them or want them here, it’s difficult to get them to listen to anything else.”

Screw you. Illegals are ILLEGAL. What is so difficult for you to understand about that? If people are looking to destroy American sovereignty and the Rule of Law just to satisfy some tribal urge, then they can FOAD.

Amnesty is a deal-killer. Period. And idiots who speak about illegals as “immigrants” is as offensive as it gets.

Rubio, get lost, already. You suck.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 12, 2013 at 5:56 PM

All that being said, many of the friends / siblings / children of the illegals I worked with didn’t work and collected money from the government and spent most their time sitting around drinking beer. It always blew my mind.

Timin203 on January 12, 2013 at 5:32 PM

In an earlier post I refered to my time in an agricultural area of California. In response your comments above, I’d like to revise and expand my remarks.

When I was living in this area, there was an illegal flop house two doors down. Three bedrooms, two baths, about 1000 sqft., AND ABOUT 15 ILLEGALS. Beyond that there were hangers on who indeed just sit around drinking and collecting benefits. It was about this time that Bill Clinton re-named immigration offices into “Welcome Centers.”

Let me make this clear. And I think I speak for most of the conservative right. We are not anti-immigrant. We are anti-illegal alien. One of the failings is a policy that does not allow for low-skill or manual labor to be done by guest workers. But that is a far cry from rewarding those who have avoided deportation with citizenship.

Happy Nomad on January 12, 2013 at 6:03 PM

As for outreach to Latinos the GOP does not have to win a majority, just get it up to at first above 30% and for the future around 40%. That would be enough to keep Texas red and get Florida back.

Also demographic trends are not set in stone. Of the 275,500 new interracial marriages in 2010, 43 percent were white-Hispanic couples, 14.4 percent were white-Asian, 11.9 percent were white-black, and the remainder were other combinations. Also according to the Pew report, more than 25 percent of Hispanics and Asians who married in 2010 had a spouse of a different race.

The fact is Hispanics and Asians will simply integrate via intermarriage with whites. Racially divisive political tactics used by the left will at some point hit a wall with Latinos and Asians in the United States in the next 20-30 years, the same way it did for the Germans, Irish, Italians, and other eastern Europeans of past migrations.

Latinos and Asians are not destined for anything unless we basically hand them to the progressives on a silver platter. The GOP message has been so confused and silly over the last 20 plus years it is hard enough for American born conservatives to understand what the GOP stands for much less new immigrants.

William Eaton on January 12, 2013 at 6:05 PM

WE all know the last amnesty for illegals work out so well.Hispanics became loyal supporters of the GOP thanks to the amnesty Reagan signed and the borders were secured leading to almost no more illegal immigration. Many of these illegals want something for nothing which is why California a once great state is almost bankrupt.I’m tired of paying for the education and health care of people who committed a federal CRIME by entering the country illegally. They certainly should not be rewarded with citizenship for their CRIME.One way to insure the death of the GOP is to support amnesty for ANY illegal.I have warned the GOP on both the state and national level that if amnesty passes with even one Republican vote that I will hold the entire party responsible and they will no longer enjoy my support in terms of money or votes.

Hera on January 12, 2013 at 6:05 PM

Because the MSM are the ones who decide which media organizations are legitimate and which aren’t. And that’s repeated throughout the press, instilled in kids by teachers (you can’t quote certain publications because they’re not a real news source), and part of pop culture.

Timin203 on January 12, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Very true, the libs are winning because they control education and the media. Gallup polling indicates the MSM is the most trusted by liberals and the least educated (e.g. low information voters).

bw222 on January 12, 2013 at 6:09 PM

And I fear that the numbers won’t be pretty when we discover how many of these “hard working, family value” types are really unemployed petty criminals trying to game our welfare and social services systems.

Timin203 on January 12, 2013 at 5:36 PM

I gotta disagree with you here.

I’ve had too many rennovation projects, moves, or other things done where people of questionable status (how’s that for being PC?) worked their asses off. I don’t think you’ll find an under-class who are unemployed petty criminals trying to game our welfare and social services system.

What I think you’ll find is different types of illegals. The ones working hard for a better life. And the agents of Mexican drug cartels. Where I find fault in any discussion of this issue is that it always focuses on the former and not the latter.

Happy Nomad on January 12, 2013 at 6:10 PM

**Unless you’re a Latin American.

Genuine on January 12, 2013 at 5:29 PM

Time for Latin America to fix their own governments, instead of letting them dump their poverty on the American taxpayers.

Rebar on January 12, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Screw you. Illegals are ILLEGAL. What is so difficult for you to understand about that? If people are looking to destroy American sovereignty and the Rule of Law just to satisfy some tribal urge, then they can FOAD.

Amnesty is a deal-killer. Period. And idiots who speak about illegals as “immigrants” is as offensive as it gets.

Rubio, get lost, already. You suck.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 12, 2013 at 5:56 PM

When did your ancestors get here?

William Eaton on January 12, 2013 at 6:12 PM

When did your ancestors get here?

William Eaton on January 12, 2013 at 6:12 PM

What difference could that possibly make?

sharrukin on January 12, 2013 at 6:16 PM

What difference could that possibly make?

sharrukin on January 12, 2013 at 6:16 PM

Could make a big difference. My ancestors got here before we had an INS. In fact they were all here pre-1840s, most were here pre-Revolution. I doubt some of them would have been able to come here legally today with our messed up immigration policy or even here if we had a solid immigration policy…LOL…

William Eaton on January 12, 2013 at 6:20 PM

When did your ancestors get here?

William Eaton on January 12, 2013 at 6:12 PM

This is akin to Piers Morgan calling the Constitution a little booklet.

LEGAL immigration of our ancestors is far different than illegal aliens here now. My own ancestors got here in the 18th and 19th century. They didn’t sneak in and not the point.

Happy Nomad on January 12, 2013 at 6:21 PM

Seriously, I’m sick and tired of you displaced moderate Democrats pretending that you are “reasonable” Republicans.

Happy Nomad on January 12, 2013 at 5:13 PM

You just described a sizeable percentage of the Hot Air population.

bw222 on January 12, 2013 at 6:22 PM

When did your ancestors get here?

William Eaton on January 12, 2013 at 6:12 PM

Do you think the rest of the world has a RIGHT to come to America, legally or illegally?

America, out of all the nations on the earth, cannot control it’s own borders to it’s own benefit – why now?

Rebar on January 12, 2013 at 6:23 PM

Could make a big difference. My ancestors got here before we had an INS. In fact they were all here pre-1840s, most were here pre-Revolution. I doubt some of them would have been able to come here legally today with our messed up immigration policy or even here if we had a solid immigration policy…LOL…

William Eaton on January 12, 2013 at 6:20 PM

In the absence of an operational time machine how would pre-1840′s policy make any difference today, much less a big difference?

sharrukin on January 12, 2013 at 6:23 PM

No immigration reform until the borders are secure, and the CEO’s of companies that hire illegals are in prison.
wildcat72 on January 12, 2013 at 2:16 PM

Why do you hate the job creators? Aren’t u concerned they will ship job overseas to these same illegals you want deported?

HotAirLib on January 12, 2013 at 6:23 PM

When did your ancestors get here?

William Eaton on January 12, 2013 at 6:12 PM

I can’t speak for him, but my paternal grandfather arrived here LEGALLY in 1914. He was 3. He became a naturalized citizen in 1930. I’ve seen his citizenship form.
My mother’s paternal grandparents(and uncle) arrived here via Ellis Island in 1907-08. They were also legal.
If you come to this nation illegally, you are a lawbreaker who is owed/who deserves NOTHING!

annoyinglittletwerp on January 12, 2013 at 6:26 PM

This is akin to Piers Morgan calling the Constitution a little booklet.

LEGAL immigration of our ancestors is far different than illegal aliens here now. My own ancestors got here in the 18th and 19th century. They didn’t sneak in and not the point.

Happy Nomad on January 12, 2013 at 6:21 PM

The Indians might have had a different opinion. Plus how is it akin to Piers Morgan in relation to the constitution? What Piers Morgan said was idiotic, what I am simply big timing a possible later arrival who now is trying to big time someone who arrived after them.

Big difference…:)

William Eaton on January 12, 2013 at 6:28 PM

When did your ancestors get here?

William Eaton on January 12, 2013 at 6:12 PM

Before welfare entitlements became a way of life for immigrants.

bw222 on January 12, 2013 at 6:28 PM

When did your ancestors get here?

William Eaton on January 12, 2013 at 6:12 PM

They came through Ellis Island. What’s your point (if you have one)?

There’s something called national sovereignty and that means that Americans get to decide who is allowed to be legally present in America and who becomes an American. It is not the decision of some alien that he wants to be in America and just walks over or overstays his visa. That’s called “breaking the law” and “sh!tting on American sovereignty” and needs to be punished in order to maintain the Rule of Law – the rule over our sovereign territory, which is most important. If someone stays here illegally then he needs to be deported and ineligible for citizenship, ever. Period. End of story.

Do you think illegals aren’t citizens of some other country (or countries)? They are. They’re not citizens of America, though, and have no right to be here. Further, they are spitting in our faces by refusing to leave. They need to go back to the countries they are citizens of.

Any sort of amnesty to illegals is a total deal-breaker and all of you people who support the destruction of American sovereignty and the Rule of Law are despicable. If you don’t like the idea of nation-states then you’ll have to find something better and go somewhere to implement your silly notion. But, not here.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 12, 2013 at 6:32 PM

The Indians might have had a different opinion. Plus how is it akin to Piers Morgan in relation to the constitution? What Piers Morgan said was idiotic, what I am simply big timing a possible later arrival who now is trying to big time someone who arrived after them.

Big difference…:)

William Eaton on January 12, 2013 at 6:28 PM

Sorry, but if the Indians being defeated means you think that the US has no right to exist, or is compelled to make amends through an open door policy to the entire world…well perhaps you should go somewhere else where your sensitive conscience isn’t bothered by their blood stained past.

sharrukin on January 12, 2013 at 6:35 PM

sharrukin on January 12, 2013 at 6:35 PM

The funny thing is, that’s exactly how ALL of “Latin America” was settled also.

Rebar on January 12, 2013 at 6:37 PM

The funny thing is, that’s exactly how ALL of “Latin America” was settled also.

Rebar on January 12, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Exactly and if you look far enough back, every country in the world. The Britons didn’t welcome the Anglo-Saxons with open arms, nor did the Normans ask the Anglo-Saxons before invading in 1066.

sharrukin on January 12, 2013 at 6:39 PM

Latinos and Asians are not destined for anything unless we basically hand them to the progressives on a silver platter.

William Eaton on January 12, 2013 at 6:05 PM

As long as Hispanics have a 50% illegitimacy rate, they are destined to continue voting for the party of more welfare and big government, period.

Jon0815 on January 12, 2013 at 6:41 PM

William Eaton on January 12, 2013 at 6:28 PM

A large part of your post makes no sense but I think is what you are trying to say is that it is wrong for those here now through immigration should question this wave of illegals. That about sum it up?

Here’s the thing. All those immigrants who went through Ellis Island and the other entry points did it legally. Those with health problems or other conditions that would not allow them to be contributors to our nation were denied entry and sent back.

What we have now is a large community of illegals who had no vetting, never even bothered with trying to come here legally, and yet find a way to vote for Democrats in our elections.

Rubio comes from Cuba which makes him part of a protected class different from the illegals he wants to provide citizenship to.

Happy Nomad on January 12, 2013 at 6:47 PM

I don’t think you’ll find an under-class who are unemployed petty criminals trying to game our welfare and social services system.

What I think you’ll find is different types of illegals. The ones working hard for a better life. And the agents of Mexican drug cartels. Where I find fault in any discussion of this issue is that it always focuses on the former and not the latter.

Happy Nomad on January 12, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Look, I’m all for the free flow of labor, and for legal immigration. I think we should make it much easier to come here legally, and much less beneficial to come here illegally.

That being said, we have an immoral system of welfare in this country that distorts the natural supply and demand for labor. There is a sizable part of the population of this country that does not work, yet eats food, has a place to live, a cell phone, electricity, etc., and far too many people are satisfied which achieving that minimal standard of living and living like that their whole lives, becoming marginally employed at times to play the system to stay on welfare.

If all the immigrants who came here were surviving on their paychecks and were paying taxes and were not a burden on our economy and system, I’d have a far different opinion of the immigration issue.

Timin203 on January 12, 2013 at 6:48 PM

They came through Ellis Island. What’s your point (if you have one)?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 12, 2013 at 6:32 PM

Why don’t we have a Ellis Island set up today?

You seem to be obsessed with the words legal and illegal immigrants, but there are lots of legal immigrants, if I had my way, would never have gotten in here in the first place and a segment of the illegals that I would have allowed.

You see our immigration system is a joke and has been for some time. I think what Rubio has set out is a good outline, with a few changes, to fix our problems.

Before welfare entitlements became a way of life for immigrants.

bw222 on January 12, 2013 at 6:28 PM

Oh I agree with that. I would be for no welfare entitlements to any new immigrant, legal or illegal. It would be ok for them to get social security and medicare (if those even exist 20 years from now) once they have paid into the system for at least 10 years.

William Eaton on January 12, 2013 at 6:53 PM

You seem to be obsessed with the words legal and illegal…

William Eaton on January 12, 2013 at 6:53 PM

That’s what the guy who stole my computer thought too.

sharrukin on January 12, 2013 at 6:57 PM

“Look, I’m all for the free flow of labor, and for legal immigration. I think we should make it much easier to come here legally,”

Why? We don’t just have an illegal immigration problem in this country, we have a legal immigration problem also. A vast majority of legal immigrants have no business being here either. The dysfunction and destruction they bring to our culture far outweigh any asset they may be. Something our liberal society ignores.

lowandslow on January 12, 2013 at 7:02 PM

If Rubio or Jeb Bush get the nod, I won’t vote. These guys are attempting to redefine conservatism as including amnesty, and after having been snubbed by the GOP for two election cycles (i.e., screwing the Tea Party), there’s no chance in Hell I’ll vote, period.

Say what you will, but making the empty argument that either would be the lesser of two evils against a possible Hillary run won’t work.

madmonkphotog on January 12, 2013 at 7:06 PM

Why don’t we have a Ellis Island set up today?

Because people go to the American embassy or consulate in their countries to get visas and apply for green cards and the like. Everyone has access to that – especially those that are able to somehow make it into the US. If they can make it onto our sovereign territory then they could have gone to fill out the paperwork that they are required to do.

Just getting to Ellis Island didn’t mean that you were admitted to America.

You seem to be obsessed with the words legal and illegal immigrants,

There are no “illegal immigrants”. There are legal immigrants and there are illegal aliens. The way you think, the minute an alien steps foot over our border he’s an “illegal immigrant”. That’s ridiculous, of course, but that’s how your intentionally misleading label makes it.

but there are lots of legal immigrants, if I had my way, would never have gotten in here in the first place and a segment of the illegals that I would have allowed.

I would not allow any illegal (save a very few of utmost importance to America – a handful at most). Illegals have violated our sovereignty and cannot be allowed to stay.

As to naturalized Americans and other legal immigrants (green card holders, etc) that you would have not allowed in, I’m sure I agree with you on some, but they followed the law (not the ones who got their citizenship in the earlier amnesty, of course, but most).

You see our immigration system is a joke and has been for some time. I think what Rubio has set out is a good outline, with a few changes, to fix our problems.

William Eaton on January 12, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Our immigration system is not a joke. Our lack of enforcement of it – at the borders and more importantly, in the interior, is. A very dangerous, sick joke.

No alien has the right to be in America or to be an American. Anyone who acts as if they do needs to be shown that they don’t. It’s our country, not theirs. They have their own countries. This is the basis of the system of nation-states. The Constitution is very clear in the preamble, “to secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and to our Posterity“. Period. America doesn’t belong to the world. It’s our country.

The American government is set up for Americans and no one else. As it is, now, it is a disadvantage to be an American citizen in America, which is a situation that cannot go on for very much longer. Allowing illegals to stay – aiding and abetting their theft of legal residency or, worse, giving them an American citizenship to add to the pack of citizenships they already hold – is to hasten the demise of the concept of the nation-state and to kill America as some sort of demented sacrifice to the third world.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 12, 2013 at 7:08 PM

A large part of your post makes no sense but I think is what you are trying to say is that it is wrong for those here now through immigration should question this wave of illegals. That about sum it up?

Here’s the thing. All those immigrants who went through Ellis Island and the other entry points did it legally. Those with health problems or other conditions that would not allow them to be contributors to our nation were denied entry and sent back.

What we have now is a large community of illegals who had no vetting, never even bothered with trying to come here legally, and yet find a way to vote for Democrats in our elections.

Rubio comes from Cuba which makes him part of a protected class different from the illegals he wants to provide citizenship to.

Happy Nomad on January 12, 2013 at 6:47 PM

The whole point of my post is this:

I am sick of hearing the world legal and illegal. Why? Because previous administrations (including Republicans…Bush) have let for example Muslim Jihadist into the county…LEGALLY. So I don’t give a crap about the legality of our immigration system anymore. Might as well let Nazis and Communists in why we are at it.

As for as those Somalis who got in legally and were vetted, and are now citizens of the United States, some went back to Somalia to wage Jihad against Christians, Animist Africans and other infidels in East Africa…once their service is done they can come back home to the land of milk and honey. Some vetting process there!

It really is this simple: Our immigration system is a joke, and until you can fix that and get control of the borders we have no immigration laws as far as I am concerned. Some of legals some of you are defending don’t want to prune my garden….they want to prune my head! But…but…They are legal! LOL!

William Eaton on January 12, 2013 at 7:09 PM

Why? We don’t just have an illegal immigration problem in this country, we have a legal immigration problem also. A vast majority of legal immigrants have no business being here either. The dysfunction and destruction they bring to our culture far outweigh any asset they may be. Something our liberal society ignores.

lowandslow on January 12, 2013 at 7:02 PM

We should go back to the pre-kennedy system for approving immigrants (based on skills, loyalty to america, prospects of getting a job, relatives in country) and not based on what country they come from. But we’re all descendants of legal immigrants. I don’t think we should shut off that flow. If there’s no work here and they can’t get welfare, they won’t come.

Timin203 on January 12, 2013 at 7:11 PM

I am sick of hearing the world legal and illegal. Why? Because previous administrations (including Republicans…Bush) have let for example Muslim Jihadist into the county…LEGALLY.

You have a good point here and there needs to be a way of determining if certain groups, or individuals are not to be accepted. The problem is making that happen with the leftists and the courts lined up to prevent it. I see no reason why some people shouldn’t be stripped of their citizenship but that was ruled against by a court.

Some of legals some of you are defending don’t want to prune my garden….they want to prune my head! But…but…They are legal! LOL!

William Eaton on January 12, 2013 at 7:09 PM

Two separate problems and dealing with one does not mean you cannot deal with the other as well.

sharrukin on January 12, 2013 at 7:16 PM

Because people go to the American embassy or consulate in their countries to get visas and apply for green cards and the like. Everyone has access to that – especially those that are able to somehow make it into the US. If they can make it onto our sovereign territory then they could have gone to fill out the paperwork that they are required to do.

Just getting to Ellis Island didn’t mean that you were admitted to America.

Like this guy did: Anwar al-Aulaqi

Now that is what I call vetting….but don’t worry folks he did the right way. Seriously does anyone actually think the State Dept or INS has clue one about who to let in or not?

Our immigration system is not a joke. Our lack of enforcement of it – at the borders and more importantly, in the interior, is. A very dangerous, sick joke.

Part of the reason why our enforcement is a joke is because our immigration system is a bigger joke. That is the point.

William Eaton on January 12, 2013 at 7:20 PM

The legal immigrants and citizens have a right to see the laws they obeyed enforced equally for all.

No amnesty for any illegal, sorry. We’ve got more than enough blue states as it is, without losing FL for good and TX into the bargain.

rightwingyahooo on January 12, 2013 at 7:32 PM

William Eaton on January 12, 2013 at 7:20 PM

I don’t think you understand you rown point. Those who want to “reform our immigration system” are only looking to grant amnesty and open the flood gates even further. None of them want to restrict legal immigration to those who actually should be in America.

I’m in full agreement with you about the somalis – basically none of which should have been brought to America or allowed in. These are the idiots who decided that they would drive taxis but wouldn’t pick up passengers with liquor or dogs. The somali slime are the ones who took jobs in markets but refused to ring up certain items. They are the ones who come here and then demand that they be allowed to have id pictures taken with full burqa. Of course those people don’t belong here, as is true for almost all muslim immigration. But the people whose side you are on in the amnesty debate are only looking to bring even more muslims here, along with every other third world America-hater they can find.

People generally aren’t aware of the fact that we used to have pretty much ZERO muslim immigration. We had arab immigration, but they were mostly Christian arabs who were driven out by the muslims. America had no muslims to speak of for the duration of this nation’s existence, up until about 25 years ago, when the gates swung open. But, Barky is allowed to get up and lie about “muslim contributions to America” and not more than a handful of people challenge him on that total lie. Rubio never did, that’s for sure.

I am with you on the need to restrict legal immigration but that doesn’t change the fact that illegal aliens cannot be allowed to stay. The two topics are separate (except that the presence of illegals reduces our options to invite in those we want here, since we are flooded with illegals forcing their presence on us).

The issues of illegal aliens and legal immigration are different issues that the left and the McShame/Rubio types love to confuse. The incorrect language is part of how they effect this confusion, as they love to drop the “illegal” from “illegal immigrant” and act as if they are talking about “immigration” – legal green card holders and the like, which they aren’t. But your allies in this fight for illegals are not of the same mind as you with regard to legal immigration. They are pointing in the opposite direction, which is, at least, consistent with their notion of just destroying the idea national borders and national sovereignty.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 12, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Pair, he understands it perfectly well, he’s just with the left on this issue, same as HondaV65.

rightwingyahooo on January 12, 2013 at 7:38 PM

rightwingyahooo on January 12, 2013 at 7:38 PM

Thanks. I figured I’d give it one last shot.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 12, 2013 at 7:41 PM

I don’t think you understand you rown point. Those who want to “reform our immigration system” are only looking to grant amnesty and open the flood gates even further. None of them want to restrict legal immigration to those who actually should be in America.

Wrong. What Rubio is offering is more rigorous than our current system that vets legal immigrants coming into this country. Just read it again…

“Here’s how I envision it,” he says. “They would have to come forward. They would have to undergo a background check.” Anyone who committed a serious crime would be deported. “They would be fingerprinted,” he continues. “They would have to pay a fine, pay back taxes, maybe even do community service. They would have to prove they’ve been here for an extended period of time. They understand some English and are assimilated. Then most of them would get legal status and be allowed to stay in this country.”

Also I don’t care what the left thinks about this, I am simply arguing in defense of what Rubio said himself. Now if he changes those views in the wrong direction I will change my opinion of what he saying, but right now I see nothing wrong with what he is proposing.

Now maybe you guys want go out like “Bill the Butcher” making a last stand in the five points but I have not intention of going out that way. We are going to have to do what is politically possible, not do what is politically impossible.

Is it possible to guard the boards better in order stop any future flow of people? Yes.

Is it possible to reform the immigration system to vet people we want to allow into the country? Yes.

Is it possible to weed out the bad from the good of all the people who are here illegally? Yes.

Can we clamp down on businesses who hire illegal workers? Yes.

Can we deprive all immigrants access to certain social programs like Welfare? Yes.

Are you going to send the buses out and round up the illegals while leaving the anchor babies here for the U.S. tax payers to deal with? No.

It is just not politically possible. You will never get a majority of this country to go along with you one that.

William Eaton on January 12, 2013 at 8:02 PM

Pair, he understands it perfectly well, he’s just with the left on this issue, same as HondaV65.

rightwingyahooo on January 12, 2013 at 7:38 PM

No I am just not a kamikaze…

:)

William Eaton on January 12, 2013 at 8:05 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 12, 2013 at 7:41 PM

Excellent articulation. Legal and illegal immigration both make me see red. We have a large post office nearby and there’s only one American who works at the counter, a black guy. All the others are third worlders and one Vietnamese woman can barely speak English. The Muslims infuriate me the most. They have no business here. I see the women covered up in their black tents and hajibs at Kroger and I just want to yank them off. I’ll end up in jail one of these days.

TxAnn56 on January 12, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Are you going to send the buses out and round up the illegals while leaving the anchor babies here for the U.S. tax payers to deal with? No.

William Eaton on January 12, 2013 at 8:02 PM

It’s called ATTRITION THROUGH ENFORCEMENT, something alot of so called conservatives can’t seem to comprehend. It worked in Alabama. And as far as deportation, Eisenhower deported 2.5 million in the 50s. With technology today, it wouldn’t be that hard. Hell, they’re not even “in the shadows”, they’re at day labor centers and crammed in apartment complexes, all the while ruining neighborhoods. Steve King has introduced a bill to end birthright citizenship which would take care of the anchor baby problem. If you’re for amnesty, then you’re for one party rule for the rest of your life.

TxAnn56 on January 12, 2013 at 8:16 PM

When did your ancestors get here?

William Eaton on January 12, 2013 at 6:12 PM

After hundreds of years of the natives doing nothing more than chucking spears and arrows at each other and living in flea-infested teepees?

Wrap your puny mind around this truth you self-hating, unproductive-minority a$$kissing liberal: a handful of battered white European refugees landed on the shore of America and founded the most powerful yet also the most free nation known to mankind.

The Obama-loving ‘minorities’ (they’re not anymore) can’t claim anything that can hold a candle to that breathtaking achievement. And if they don’t like following our rules to come into the country we built, they can get the exact same treatment which we’ll get if we won’t follow their rules to come into their country.

Namely, a boot in the hindquarters on the way out the door.

MelonCollie on January 12, 2013 at 8:18 PM

TxAnn56 on January 12, 2013 at 8:07 PM

i was in a Target store the other day and i turned a corner and there was some muslim women in the whole Halloween black tent outfit with just the eye slit. i did a double take, and i was like, what is this Zero Dark Thirty bullsh-t??? you’re in America sweetheart, act like it!

GhoulAid on January 12, 2013 at 8:35 PM

After hundreds of years of the natives doing nothing more than chucking spears and arrows at each other and living in flea-infested teepees?

Wrap your puny mind around this truth you self-hating, unproductive-minority a$$kissing liberal: a handful of battered white European refugees landed on the shore of America and founded the most powerful yet also the most free nation known to mankind.

The Obama-loving ‘minorities’ (they’re not anymore) can’t claim anything that can hold a candle to that breathtaking achievement. And if they don’t like following our rules to come into the country we built, they can get the exact same treatment which we’ll get if we won’t follow their rules to come into their country.

Namely, a boot in the hindquarters on the way out the door.

MelonCollie on January 12, 2013 at 8:18 PM

I am not liberal but conservative you idiot.

Of course the Natives were backward and I agree they were hostile. I was making a point to the individual whose ancestors came in the 19th and early 20th century who was getting high and mighty about his “legal” ancestors.

My ancestors came from Scotland, England, Wales, with a little German thrown in there. Most came before this country was founded and many fought in the the French-Indian Wars, the Revolution, in fact in most wars this country has fought. They would have and did view the Irish, Italians and eastern Europeans as the backward papist loving barbarians they thought they were. They were not alone either. Many Americans of British decent viewed those new immigrants as stealing the country they worked so hard to found and win, as not having to sacrificed anything, just jumped off the boat and caused wages to drop, and were subverting the culture, the morals, the religion, and social fabric of the nation.

I am simply saying be careful.

William Eaton on January 12, 2013 at 8:39 PM

Most of the technological legal immigrants Rubio and other immigration proponents talk about end up being run-of-the-mill programmers.

When you look at H1B visas, 6 of the top 10 companies with the most H1B visas are Indian owned.

bw222 on January 12, 2013 at 8:49 PM

It’s called ATTRITION THROUGH ENFORCEMENT, something alot of so called conservatives can’t seem to comprehend. It worked in Alabama. And as far as deportation, Eisenhower deported 2.5 million in the 50s. With technology today, it wouldn’t be that hard. Hell, they’re not even “in the shadows”, they’re at day labor centers and crammed in apartment complexes, all the while ruining neighborhoods. Steve King has introduced a bill to end birthright citizenship which would take care of the anchor baby problem. If you’re for amnesty, then you’re for one party rule for the rest of your life.

TxAnn56 on January 12, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Let me know how that works out for you in the 21st century…politically speaking.

William Eaton on January 12, 2013 at 8:51 PM

Rubio needs to work in conjunction with the House to get these bills rolling. I like his approach, with the smaller bills and he’s right that with “comprehensive” bills a lot of pork filters in.

Watch as the Democrats do everything they can to thwart this effort. They either want to keep the issue or pass their bills and they certainly don’t want the Republicans to get any credit for this.

I look for the stupid party to try and write something completely different in the House that shows the Republicans not liking Hispanics and giving the Democrats ammunition to screw Rubio over in the Senate.

bflat879 on January 12, 2013 at 8:55 PM

I fully support Senator Marco Rubio’s efforts here. I don’t like the last part, but I can live with it.

BigGator5 on January 12, 2013 at 12:33 PM

No, I think we should just throw our hands up and let the libby dems win all the time.
/some folks here at HA

VegasRick on January 12, 2013 at 12:44 PM

LOL, the usual suspects gearing it up for the next Next In Line ™ I see. Just as predicted. By 2014 Rubio’s doodoo won’t stink. And you’ll be a commie if you say otherwise.

ddrintn on January 12, 2013 at 9:11 PM

^ Although I think the GOPe’s plans are for a Jeb/Rubio ticket in 2016. Watch for the HotAir “second look at Jeb?” posts in about 2014.

ddrintn on January 12, 2013 at 9:13 PM

TxAnn56 on January 12, 2013 at 8:07 PM

i was in a Target store the other day and i turned a corner and there was some muslim women in the whole Halloween black tent outfit with just the eye slit. i did a double take, and i was like, what is this Zero Dark Thirty bullsh-t??? you’re in America sweetheart, act like it!

GhoulAid on January 12, 2013 at 8:35 PM

So striking Vietnamese, Somalise, Muslims from the “real American” list?
Any others you deem unacceptable for legal immigration?

can_con on January 12, 2013 at 9:36 PM

So striking Vietnamese, Somalise, Muslims from the “real American” list?
Any others you deem unacceptable for legal immigration?

can_con on January 12, 2013 at 9:36 PM

I know this is going to be controversial to some here, but let me lay it out on the line:

Whoever comes here is whoever we let in. Period. End-of-story. FullStop.

If you are anything except a citizen-in-good-standing, you are in America at our pleasure and we need no reason to have you leave. Citizenship should be a valued commodity, but with every individual of any ethnicity or religion that snubs American law, it means less and less to be a citizen here.

gryphon202 on January 12, 2013 at 9:41 PM

Rubio is on the right track trying to head off the immigration reform debate. But a true Conservative and Free Market Capitalist solution would be:

1) SEAL THE BORDERS.
2) Enact the FAIR TAX
3) Institute a very liberal Guest Worker Program. Guest workers would have no rights of citizenship and would be required to have personal insurance to cover their personal problems. No more of these free government handouts to non-citizens.
4) Keep the Borders tight. No riff raff or bad actors allowed in.

If there were the Fair Tax, everybody buying anything in the US would be paying tax. No way to avoid it. Our country should be open to all who want to come here and contribute. Let the economy dictate how many Guest Workers would be required.

NOMOBO on January 12, 2013 at 9:52 PM

I doubt some of them would have been able to come here legally today with our messed up immigration policy or even here if we had a solid immigration policy…LOL…

William Eaton

So what? Just because it’s hard for people to come here legally doesn’t mean our system is messed up. It should be hard to come here legally or illegally, especially now. The country can’t even provide enough jobs for Americans to allow them to live the kind of lives they want to live now. What’s messed up is the desire of folks like you to reward those who come here illegally because you seem to believe they have a right to be here.

xblade on January 12, 2013 at 9:58 PM

I am not liberal but conservative you idiot.

William Eaton on January 12, 2013 at 8:39 PM

Could have fooled us. You must be from the Ed Morrissey branch of conservatism. lol.

bw222 on January 12, 2013 at 10:08 PM

So striking Vietnamese, Somalise, Muslims from the “real American” list?
Any others you deem unacceptable for legal immigration?

can_con on January 12, 2013 at 9:36 PM

I asked Ed a few hours back if MSP would be better with or without Somalis. He hasn’t responded. You must admit that Muslims – especially Somali Muslims – aren’t especially good at becoming part of the mix – unless you believe that treating women like cattle is a good thing.

bw222 on January 12, 2013 at 10:13 PM

I know this is going to be controversial to some here, but let me lay it out on the line:
Whoever comes here is whoever we let in. Period. End-of-story. FullStop.
If you are anything except a citizen-in-good-standing, you are in America at our pleasure and we need no reason to have you leave. Citizenship should be a valued commodity, but with every individual of any ethnicity or religion that snubs American law, it means less and less to be a citizen here.
gryphon202 on January 12, 2013 at 9:41 PM

^This

air_up_there on January 12, 2013 at 10:26 PM

bw222 on January 12, 2013 at 10:13 PM

I think everyone has some challenges assimilating, which usually takes a few generations, but blanket generalizations based on ethnicity, ability to “barely” speak english, etc. are pretty sad and self limiting for a countries’ potential.

How do refugee’s fit into here? US has a policy of admitting approx. 80K per year based on refugee status. Are people against this as well?

can_con on January 12, 2013 at 10:31 PM

We have millions (if not billions) or people around the world who want to come here. We should be very selective and, unlike European countries, we have no responsibility for people from “colonial” days because we never had an empire.

We should be very selective in determining who we let emigrate and limit it to the brightest and best. Instead, many of our modern immigrants have an average of a fourth grade edjucation or come from some of the most violent and primitive countries of the world.

bw222 on January 12, 2013 at 10:35 PM

gryphon202 on January 12, 2013 at 9:41 PM

^This

air_up_there on January 12, 2013 at 10:26 PM

Eliminate the Democrat welfare-for-votes system and you might have something besides a pathetically hopeless fantasy.

MelonCollie on January 12, 2013 at 10:45 PM

We have millions (if not billions) or people around the world who want to come here. We should be very selective and, unlike European countries, we have no responsibility for people from “colonial” days because we never had an empire.

We should be very selective in determining who we let emigrate and limit it to the brightest and best. Instead, many of our modern immigrants have an average of a fourth grade edjucation or come from some of the most violent and primitive countries of the world.

bw222 on January 12, 2013 at 10:35 PM

Exactly. The whole mentality of “bring me your huddled masses” is a very appealing idea, and it has SOME merit…when those huddled masses give up who they were to become something new. But when that is no longer the case, than all we’re doing is turning our nation into a Frankenstein of cobbled-together people-groups.

Until such time as this situation changes and our economy is no longer in danger of collapse, it’s past time to admit that we have to shelve our egalitarian ideals if we are to survive.

MelonCollie on January 12, 2013 at 10:48 PM

Still, I think Rubio is on the right path, and the sooner that this issue gets off the table, the better off the Republican Party will be.

This doesn’t get it off the table, it makes it worse.

Why he decided to pull a Perry is beyond me.

He is putting the spotlight on a canker sore that is not going to heal as long as there are X million unemployed citizens, and as long as the vast majority of illegal workers are not in agriculture, or doing rocket science

I have a family member working high end engineering in California and it is getting tight out there. Someone may be crying out for a specifically trained production engineer, and someone always is, but my relative recently helped a great engineer with big credentials to get a lower paying job. My brilliant relative had to take a big paycut to hold his position, and coworkers took demotions. Hiring is very tight, and if the guy in personnel is from XYZ third world country, it is hard to get past the first interview in some shops, if you are not from the same country

Don’t ask about carpenters, roofers, and cement jobs

Rubio may be doing everyone a favor, letting it all hang out. Personally I am sick of this amnesty cr@p and I will no longer go with the program

entagor on January 12, 2013 at 10:55 PM

Could have fooled us. You must be from the Ed Morrissey branch of conservatism. lol.

bw222 on January 12, 2013 at 10:08 PM

No I was kicked off Littlegreenfootballs back in 2005, when it was still conservative, for arguing with “real conservatives” about why Iraq War (and the way Bush was fighting it) was a disaster and would lead to a progressive nut job becoming our president in the near future. I was denounced and people shouted “Rove is a Genius!”

Well let me tell you this. Your demand to send the buses out to round up all those illegal immigrants will lead to a progressive fantasy come true! TV footage of children being ripped from the mothers arms, wild gun fights breaking out between INS and Latinos, weeping widows and children getting TV time on the MSM. It will be like the progressives trying to confiscate guns in this country. The general public will turn against it and those that support it.

What Rubio has purposed is a way to counter that argument. Look at what he wrote again:

“Here’s how I envision it,” he says. “They would have to come forward. They would have to undergo a background check.” Anyone who committed a serious crime would be deported. “They would be fingerprinted,” he continues. “They would have to pay a fine, pay back taxes, maybe even do community service. They would have to prove they’ve been here for an extended period of time. They understand some English and are assimilated. Then most of them would get legal status and be allowed to stay in this country.”

How many illegals would be able to pass those barriers? I doubt 50% would be able to. What Rubio has offered is a way to throw out a large portion of the illegals in this country if the GOP ever manages to gain enough power again, like the presidency. It would also seem reasonable to a majority of the general public because after all we gave them a chance to prove they wanted to be Americans and they failed. He makes it clear the boarders would need to be secured better and to punish employers for hiring illegals first before we move on with his plan to deal with the illegals.

If you don’t have a immigration plan first that seems reasonable to the public we are stuck with only two other positions: (1) Throw them all out or (2) give them all blanket amnesty with no barriers, no hoops, nothing. Now I hope you have enough common sense to know who will win that political battle in the end? I will give you a hint…..it won’t be our side….

William Eaton on January 12, 2013 at 11:01 PM

Rubio is not to be trusted on immigration or in general. He moves right when he must and drifts left when he dares.

David Blue on January 12, 2013 at 11:09 PM

Eliminate the Democrat welfare-for-votes system and you might have something besides a pathetically hopeless fantasy.

MelonCollie on January 12, 2013 at 10:45 PM

My statement is fact. America the country, the political organ, simply has no statutory, moral, or ethical obligation whatsoever to non-citizens. While I know it’s not politically tenable or fashionable to say that, neither is it politically tenable or fashionable to say that an unborn child is worthy of protection — and conservatives sure as shit seem willing to fight a lot harder for the rights of the unborn than they are for the rights of adult citizens.

gryphon202 on January 12, 2013 at 11:11 PM

**Unless you’re a Latin American.

Genuine on January 12, 2013 at 5:29 PM

Which part of “legal” don’t you understand? Legal immigration…it’s hard, not impossible, for all those you mentioned.

HAL, there are plenty US American citizens without jobs. The job creators have a huge pool to choose from. Obama created it.

Schadenfreude on January 12, 2013 at 11:11 PM

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