Quotes of the day

posted at 8:31 pm on January 12, 2013 by Allahpundit

Putnam County District Attorney Adam Levy says he is opposed to releasing the names and addresses of licensed gun owners.

In a statement Monday, he said that disclosing the information, which is public under state law, would endanger residents with permits and their neighbors and that it would be irresponsible to make the gun information available to people with criminal intentions.

Levy was responding to a Freedom of Information Law request from The Journal News/LoHud.com.

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“The Affiliated Police Association is putting The Journal News on notice that we will hold them accountable for any incident where any of our members are involved in an incident where a person, criminal or ex-con presents themselves at the residence of one of our members as a result of their name being made public by The Journal News,” Robert Buckley, vice president of the organization, said in the release.

Richard Well, president of the Police Conference of New York, will ask that all county clerks deny requests for such records, which he said is allowable if it would endanger the life and safety of any person, the release said.

“We also urge The Journal News to cease its quest to obtain and publish this information,” Well said in the release. “It serves no legitimate purpose and could easily lead to more tragedy.”

***

During the public comments portion of Tuesday’s Orangetown Town Council meeting, Richard Molloy of Pearl River asked the board to condemn The Journal News for publishing a map of legally licensed pistol permit holders in Rockland and Westchester counties last month…

Councilman Denis Troy said he thought the map was irresponsible, which Councilman Thomas Diviny agreed with. The board voted to pass the resolution 4-0 with Stewart abstaining. He said he wanted to look more into possible repercussions from publishing the map before making a decision on it…

“The thing that got me when I first looked at it was I looked at a street and I said, ‘Oh my god, that guy’s dead.’ Twenty-five percent of that information, which is public information, is incorrect on that website. So if you think that somebody lives in a house, they don’t necessarily live in that house anymore,” Nulty said.

“These are law-abiding citizens. I think The Journal News went overboard on this, certainly.”

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As an example, he said the list included most of the correction officers at the Rockland County Jail in New City. Because their names and home addresses were listed, and they must wear name tags while on duty, the inmates now know exactly where each guard lives, and they have been harassing and threatening those guards ever since the list appeared.

The inmates also know when the guards work, meaning they know when their families at home are alone and unprotected, and thus most subject to home invasions, kidnapping and assault. The inmates have been threatening the guards with this information since The Journal-News published the list, Nulty said, telling the guards that they have friends and family on the outside who can easily visit their homes when the guards are at work.

The chief went on to say that hundreds of people on the published list work undercover, and are not supposed to have their names and addresses made public. They include not only local village and town police here in Rockland who are detectives and on various undercover task forces such as narcotics, intelligence and organized crime, but county detectives in the Sheriff’s Department and District Attorney’s office, in addition to hundreds or even thousands of New York City police officers who live here.

Additionally, Nulty said the northern suburbs of Rockland and Westchester Counties are home to many federal undercover officers, whose identities are also supposed to be confidential, for their own safety and to safeguard their investigations.

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[New York City Council Speaker Christine] Quinn said the publication of the list was not appropriate.

“I think the rules for getting a gun need to be tougher, but if you meet the rules, and you get a license in the legal way, and you have that license, I don’t think that should be printed in a newspaper,” she said.

Quinn added that anyone who has met the rules and received a license, “you have not done anything wrong. You’ve met the legal standard.”

***

The problem here is threefold:

Making this list public put gun owners in danger. There are former judges on that list—even reportedly a woman who was the victim of stalking. There are lunatics on both sides of the aisle, and we have already seen proof of that. There have been threats to the paper and it’s personnel, even their families—so much so they had to hire security to protect them. And there are gun owners who have been contacted by fanatical gun opponents who have threatened their lives as well. (The gun opponents wouldn’t be using a gun, I assume?)

What good does this do? Or will it do? The friends and neighbors in Newtown, Conn. knew that the shooter’s mother was a gun collector who had guns in her home. That did not prevent the massacre; nor will listing these people’s names and addresses prevent any potential violent act by one of those gun owners or anyone in those homes in those two counties.

It’s a slippery slope. What’s next? Lists of those who are on welfare? Lists of those who subscribe to pornographic magazines? You get the point. We as Americans are entitled to some level of privacy—gun owners included.

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“The whole battle over the Second Amendment has little to do with crime or any of these things” Mr. Keene said. “It has to do with culture and the view that different people have about what kind of a country this ought to be.”…

“It wasn’t until the culture wars of the late 1960′s, 70′s and 80′s that, all of a sudden, the Second Amendment became anathema to liberals who viewed it, really I think culturally, as a as symbol of an America they didn’t like, an America in which people took responsibility for themselves and for the protection of their families, an America which didn’t look to the state for the answer to all of its problems,” said Mr. Keene. “And the media, the elite media, if anything, represents that view more than almost any segment of our society.”…

“What happened there in New York with the posting of the legitimate, licensed pistol owners in Rockland County and others has had tremendously terrible consequences. As you know, now prison guards had their home addresses listed by that newspaper and are now under threat from prisoners and their allies outside,” Mr. Keene said. “This was an incredibly irresponsible thing that was an attempt by this elite to demonize people who own firearms legitimately.”

***

Would you publish a database of people who have filed for bankruptcy? People who have been foreclosed? People who have tax liens? Or would you say this information, while public, has no news value; tells a reader nothing he needs to know and does so at a price of discomfiting some law-abiding citizen, putting their business in the street?…

[I]f one consequence is that some New York state gun owners feel exposed, the larger consequence for all of us is a further chipping away of private spaces, a further compromise of the increasingly quaint idea that one has a right to live peacefully and an expectation to not be bothered in so doing.

This is not about freedom of the press or freedom to own guns. It is, rather, about the freedom to be left alone, and whether that’s still sustainable or whether henceforth we must all live exposed. The technology being what it is, it’s worth remembering that the answer to that question, whatever it may be, will be shaped both by journalists and by those who are not.

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“Now the firestorm began when the Journal News identified gun owners in a pedophile-like interactive map,” Pirro said during the opening of her Saturday night show. “The battered woman hiding from her abuser whose address has been protected by the courts. The police officer whose family is now in jeopardy. The witness who testified against the bad guy who is in jail and, for years, has been stewing about that witness.”



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madmonkphotog on January 12, 2013 at 9:33 PM

Most of us would be glad to watch any other show that would cover the subject but oddly enough, there aren’t any. Wonder why that is?

Cindy Munford on January 12, 2013 at 9:49 PM

Sparky called my name?

It’s like magic!!

Good evening SP!

Howdy everyone!!

Scrumpy on January 12, 2013 at 9:50 PM

My cold dead fingers, etc. etc.

platypus on January 12, 2013 at 9:50 PM

GB 21 SF 21 …. 20 minutes 2 nd qtr …

conservative tarheel on January 12, 2013 at 9:43 PM

DEFENSE!

davidk on January 12, 2013 at 9:51 PM

I am rootin’ for SF!!!

Is that score for real 21 21?

Scrumpy on January 12, 2013 at 9:52 PM

If the 2nd Amendment only applies to muskets,…

davidk on January 12, 2013 at 9:09 PM

One of the reasons that the Americans beat the Brits is that our guys were using the technologically improved flintlock rifle, which was much more accurate at longer ranges than the unrifled muskets that the Brits used.

Solaratov on January 12, 2013 at 9:53 PM

21-21. Probably another score before halftime.

22044 on January 12, 2013 at 9:53 PM

The Journal News has betrayed legal gun owners. They’re trying to stigmatize gun ownership. To them, its a culture thing.

tommy71 on January 12, 2013 at 9:53 PM

One of the reasons that the Americans beat the Brits is that our guys were using the technologically improved flintlock rifle, which was much more accurate at longer ranges than the unrifled muskets that the Brits used.

Solaratov on January 12, 2013 at 9:53 PM

And the Brits wore red uniforms and marched in straight lines.

At least that’s what my 3rd grade textbook said.

davidk on January 12, 2013 at 9:56 PM

They’re trying to stigmatize gun ownership…
tommy71 on January 12, 2013 at 9:53 PM

Oh for sure, but it isn’t gonna work, as usual liberals didn’t think this thru, they went on feeelingsssssssssss..(there’s a song there somewhere)not any logical intelligence…

But then again, it seems libs are extremely good at stigmatizing!

This one is a bust for them…

Scrumpy on January 12, 2013 at 9:56 PM

The Journal News has betrayed legal gun owners. They’re trying to stigmatize gun ownership. To them, its a culture thing.

tommy71 on January 12, 2013 at 9:53 PM

what would be sweet would be if subscribers canx their subscriptions ..
and advertisers pulled out … enmass …

conservative tarheel on January 12, 2013 at 9:57 PM

“Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not.” ~Thomas Jefferson

predator on January 12, 2013 at 9:58 PM

Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.

An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.

predator on January 12, 2013 at 9:59 PM

People still watch Hannity? Wow. How much fauxservative news can people stand?

madmonkphotog on January 12, 2013 at 9:33 PM

So what did aljazeers tell you to think about using the info about legal gun owners , published by that rag ?

burrata on January 12, 2013 at 10:00 PM

I don’t watch Hannity much, but I did happen to catch the last half of his show with the gun owners who were outed by the paper. It was nice to see those good people have a voice on national TV. Good job.

juliesa on January 12, 2013 at 8:55 PM

juliesa:This it!:)
==================

11:03 am ET January 12, 2013
Hannity Talks to Group of Gun Owners Whose Names Were Published by The Journal News
****************

Watch the full discussion:
VIDEO:(8:41)
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http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/01/12/hannity-talks-to-group-of-gun-owners-whose-names-were-published-by-the-journal-news/

canopfor on January 12, 2013 at 10:00 PM

Frankly I’m wondering why the Journal NEws interactive map is still online. IT’s a public hazard, surely one of these county lawyers could wave their law degree at the Journal’s ISP and force it offline.
For that matter, where are the libertarian-anarchists of ANON? They could tear that shit down and destroy it utterly in now time. Why haven’t they?

rayra on January 12, 2013 at 10:01 PM

Sf just kicked a FG … SF 24 … GB 21 at the half ….

conservative tarheel on January 12, 2013 at 10:01 PM

conservative tarheel on January 12, 2013 at 10:01 PM

Woo Hooo!!!! Yeah !!

Scrumpy on January 12, 2013 at 10:02 PM

Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.

Gun control is not about guns; it’s about control.

predator on January 12, 2013 at 10:02 PM

predator on January 12, 2013 at 10:02 PM

Absolutely totally 100% unfettered truth!!

Scrumpy on January 12, 2013 at 10:04 PM

Putman County tells Journal to Go BOINK yourselfs(sarc)

Maybe Journal,might get sued!

January 11, 2013
New York county stands up to The Journal News

Putnam officials refuse to release names of gun owners
*******************************************************

VIDOE:(6:22)

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/index.html

canopfor on January 12, 2013 at 10:05 PM

Who is spinning tunes tonight?

Scrumpy on January 12, 2013 at 10:05 PM

canopfor on January 12, 2013 at 10:05 PM

They need sued like yesterday, the scum bags…

Scrumpy on January 12, 2013 at 10:06 PM

They need sued like yesterday, the scum bags…

Scrumpy on January 12, 2013 at 10:06 PM

not sure it will work … that information is public information …

conservative tarheel on January 12, 2013 at 10:08 PM

Trivia. The Denver/Baltimore game, first in history a game was tied in each of five quarters.

davidk on January 12, 2013 at 10:08 PM

Who is spinning tunes tonight?

Scrumpy on January 12, 2013 at 10:05 PM

I’ll start.

I’ve posted this one before, but it definitely fits tonight’s theme, so here goes.

predator on January 12, 2013 at 10:10 PM

conservative tarheel on January 12, 2013 at 10:08 PM

Yes it is. Typically for an individuals use…

Well I guess then someone is gonna have to be injured/burgled/killed and then somthing may happen…

I know that is what it will take, but then maybe all those endangered public servants will set a precedent and file a class action suit against the paper…

Scrumpy on January 12, 2013 at 10:12 PM

Trivia. The Bronco/Baltimore game was coldest Denver post-season game in history. Thirteen degrees Fahrenheit at starting time. Don’t what that would be in Canada.

davidk on January 12, 2013 at 10:13 PM

don’t know what

davidk on January 12, 2013 at 10:13 PM

predator on January 12, 2013 at 10:10 PM

Very apt! I liked that, book marked for later… thanks!

Scrumpy on January 12, 2013 at 10:15 PM

juliesa on January 12, 2013 at 8:55 PM

juliesa:This it!:)
===============

OH sh*t,****Screw-Up Alert ****,
can’t believe I missed it in the
thread!

canopfor on January 12, 2013 at 10:16 PM

canopfor on January 12, 2013 at 10:05 PM

They need sued like yesterday, the scum bags…

Scrumpy on January 12, 2013 at 10:06 PM

Scrumpy:Yup,its unreal,and UnAmerican,at least Putnam County
caught on!:)

canopfor on January 12, 2013 at 10:18 PM

predator on January 12, 2013 at 10:10 PM

Very apt! I liked that, book marked for later… thanks!

Scrumpy on January 12, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Hey Scrumpy. Glad you liked it. Here’s another one by Joe Dan Gorman. You can get more at joedanmedia.com

predator on January 12, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Scrumpy,

Also check out intellectualfroglegs.com

predator on January 12, 2013 at 10:27 PM

The Journal News can go to hell for this. What pieces of ****.

WisCon on January 12, 2013 at 10:27 PM

predator on January 12, 2013 at 10:27 PM

I like what he sings… :-)… bit of a rebel eh lol…

And I shall check out the linky!!

Scrumpy on January 12, 2013 at 10:29 PM

Also worth a look:

http://girlsjustwannahaveguns.com/

http://clashdaily.com/

You’re welcome.

predator on January 12, 2013 at 10:30 PM

I guess everyone else is watching the game?

Scrumpy on January 12, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Ty not seen clashdaily but have already book marked ‘girlsjustwannahaveguns’ a great site!!

Scrumpy on January 12, 2013 at 10:32 PM

One site I used to go read was called Badazz(ss) it was good but it seems to have been taken down, this guy would tell stories about heroes!

Scrumpy on January 12, 2013 at 10:34 PM

Scrumpy on January 12, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Not me. I’m here spying on people. I got a new spyglass. Here take a look.

SparkPlug on January 12, 2013 at 10:35 PM

SparkPlug on January 12, 2013 at 10:35 PM

Sparky is THAT who I think it is?!!! :-O

Scrumpy on January 12, 2013 at 10:36 PM

I guess everyone else is watching the game?

Scrumpy on January 12, 2013 at 10:31 PM

watching it on the web …
open tab ….

3rd qtr … 24 all ….

conservative tarheel on January 12, 2013 at 10:36 PM

SparkPlug on January 12, 2013 at 10:35 PM

hey sparky … while your up there in the helium balloon did you get those night vision goggles I told you about?

conservative tarheel on January 12, 2013 at 10:38 PM

SF just got a TD 31 -24

conservative tarheel on January 12, 2013 at 10:39 PM

conservative tarheel on January 12, 2013 at 10:38 PM

he does lol… wanna see!?

Scrumpy on January 12, 2013 at 10:39 PM

conservative tarheel on January 12, 2013 at 10:39 PM

Lovin’ it!!

Thanks for the updates :-)

Scrumpy on January 12, 2013 at 10:40 PM

GO PACKERS !

conservative tarheel on January 12, 2013 at 10:42 PM

Gun Control explained.

predator on January 12, 2013 at 10:44 PM

PointnClick on January 12, 2013 at 10:39 PM

Great read and I agree, Huzzah for Ben Shapiro!!

Scrumpy on January 12, 2013 at 10:47 PM

well folks … gotta go … bed is calling …
have fun and see ya later …

conservative tarheel on January 12, 2013 at 10:48 PM

davidk on January 12, 2013 at 10:13 PM

That would be around -8 C.

chemman on January 12, 2013 at 10:48 PM

Not me. I’m here spying on people. I got a new spyglass. Here take a look.

SparkPlug on January 12, 2013 at 10:35 PM

This is for you.

arnold ziffel on January 12, 2013 at 10:49 PM

Whoops, that was for Scrumpy.
OK, gotta go watch “Joy Ruck Crub” with mrs ziffel. Be back later.

arnold ziffel on January 12, 2013 at 10:50 PM

Pirro, even in her first shows, has been doing powerful stuff. She’s big issue material, far too good to be wasted on murders and tabloid crap.

petefrt on January 12, 2013 at 10:50 PM

Girls With Guns

22044 on January 12, 2013 at 10:52 PM

You only have the rights you are willing to fight for.

Know guns, know peace, know safety.

No guns, no peace, no safety.

predator on January 12, 2013 at 10:53 PM

Good night CT!!

Scrumpy on January 12, 2013 at 10:53 PM

You don’t shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

predator on January 12, 2013 at 10:54 PM

Guns have only two enemies; rust and politicians.

predator on January 12, 2013 at 10:54 PM

When you remove the people’s right to bear arms, you create slaves.

predator on January 12, 2013 at 10:55 PM

You don’t shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

predator on January 12, 2013 at 10:54 PM

Clarity. Moral clarity and intellectual clarity.

petefrt on January 12, 2013 at 10:56 PM

I like Coulter’s question; someone should pursue a FOIA request to get names and addresses from Planned Parenthood regarding women who have had abortions, with intent to publish *that*.

I’m sure these leftards won’t mind *that*, right?

And Rush did a brilliant riff this week about the notion that the left is alright with Obama using executive orders regarding gun control – basically pondering the reaction if Bush/Cheney had said that something needed to be done about the millions of lives snuffed out by abortion, so were considering issuing executive orders to ‘control’ abortion…

Midas on January 12, 2013 at 10:56 PM

arnold ziffel on January 12, 2013 at 10:50 PM

Enjoy the movie and special time with Mrs Ziffel!!

Scrumpy on January 12, 2013 at 10:57 PM

And last but far from least:

The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.

OK. I’m done.

predator on January 12, 2013 at 10:57 PM

Man in the Wilderness – just Tommy Shaw & his guitar

22044 on January 12, 2013 at 10:58 PM

hey sparky … while your up there in the helium balloon did you get those night vision goggles I told you about?

conservative tarheel on January 12, 2013 at 10:38 PM

Nope. I’ll just do a little eCommece and bingo I can watch the festivities at night. Its shows all the warm regions on the body right?

Awesome. Thanks.

SparkPlug on January 12, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Anti-Control has a dramatis personae

Scrumpy on January 12, 2013 at 4:27 AM

Gary Numan and Dramatis – “Love Needs No Disguise” (great song!)

Anti-Control on January 12, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Simple resolution to problem:

Print the names and addresses of all journalists and politicians

Print the names of their kids, date of birth, address of their schools and locations where they play

We should also have the names and addresses of their friends and relatives

For each adult, we need a list of all their registered firearms

If the adult has stated they refuse to use firearms, print their manes in red

We need pictures too. Get their facebook accounts, and set up central sites so people can chat with the family

If anyone uses armed bodyguards, we need to know that, how many, photos if possible.

Let’s have a wide open society

entagor on January 12, 2013 at 11:08 PM

I’m gonna go back to the 70s. Robert Cray.

predator on January 12, 2013 at 11:08 PM

Anti-Control on January 12, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Great song!! I took a little poetic licence, hope you didn’t mind :-)

Scrumpy on January 12, 2013 at 11:09 PM

The good thing about tomorrow’s NFC game – no Joe Buck. I am really sick of “Mr. Monotone.”

bw222 on January 12, 2013 at 11:09 PM

22044 and predator rockin’ it tonight guys!!

Scrumpy on January 12, 2013 at 11:11 PM

I’m gonna go back to the 70s. Robert Cray.

predator on January 12, 2013 at 11:08 PM

Good tune! I think it’s 1986, though. I was in HS.

22044 on January 12, 2013 at 11:12 PM

SF ahead 45-24. Put this one in the deep freeze.

22044 on January 12, 2013 at 11:14 PM

22044 on January 12, 2013 at 11:14 PM
A win then for SF!!! Woo Hoo!!

Scrumpy on January 12, 2013 at 11:14 PM

gonna slip out for a little while…

*poof*

Scrumpy on January 12, 2013 at 11:15 PM

Garry Moore–The Texas Strut.

predator on January 12, 2013 at 11:17 PM

Good evening all.

Miss New York was crowned Miss America a few minutes ago. In the questions from judges segment she was asked if there should be armed guards at schools. She answered no, we “shouldn’t fight violence with violence.”

Brat on January 12, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Obama. The most divisive president in the history of our country. Pitting the poor against the rich, the unarmed against those who dare to arm themselves, forcing those who dare to oppose abortion to adopt his policy that contraception and abortion should be provided by every employer, regardless of their beliefs. There are any number of examples where he has turned citizens against each other, and had the left leaning media right by his side, doing his bidding for him every step along the way. I guess we are a divided nation after all and maybe it’s time that there were truly red and blue states where people could live in harmony according to their beliefs instead of having one big federal government imposing their agenda upon the people as a whole.

scalleywag on January 12, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Good tune! I think it’s 1986, though. I was in HS.

22044 on January 12, 2013 at 11:12 PM

70s, 80s, when you’re my age–what’s the diff? ;)

predator on January 12, 2013 at 11:19 PM

70s, 80s, when you’re my age–what’s the diff? ;)

predator on January 12, 2013 at 11:19 PM

lol – I’d like to reach that stage…one day. :)

22044 on January 12, 2013 at 11:21 PM

She answered no, we “shouldn’t fight violence with violence.”

Brat on January 12, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Was her last name Cuomo? Bloomberg? Numbnut?

predator on January 12, 2013 at 11:22 PM

Good evening all.

Miss New York was crowned Miss America a few minutes ago. In the questions from judges segment she was asked if there should be armed guards at schools. She answered no, we “shouldn’t fight violence with violence.”

Brat on January 12, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Evening.

Grrr…

22044 on January 12, 2013 at 11:22 PM

If gun ownership deters crime, shouldn’t there be almost no criminals going towards any of the listed addresses?

libfreeordie on January 12, 2013 at 11:23 PM

If gun ownership deters crime, shouldn’t there be almost no criminals going towards any of the listed addresses?

libfreeordie on January 12, 2013 at 11:23 PM

I bet the sodomite thought it was being clever.

tom daschle concerned on January 12, 2013 at 11:24 PM

If gun ownership deters crime, shouldn’t there be almost no criminals going towards any of the listed addresses?

libfreeordie on January 12, 2013 at 11:23 PM

Apparently prison guards treasure their anonymity. And I’m sure the gun-less neighbors really appreciate being outed, too.

John the Libertarian on January 12, 2013 at 11:26 PM

I bet the sodomite thought it was being clever.

tom daschle concerned on January 12, 2013 at 11:24 PM

It does make a point, though. All the thugs can now go after the homes without guns (by process of elimination), most of whom will be libs, which may teach them a lesson for a change.

predator on January 12, 2013 at 11:27 PM

Well, butter my butt and call me muffin. Look at what is happening in Mexico.

Mirimichi on January 12, 2013 at 11:28 PM

Mirimichi on January 12, 2013 at 11:28 PM

Bravo to them!

predator on January 12, 2013 at 11:29 PM

we “shouldn’t fight violence with violence.”

Brat on January 12, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Chicks are always saying this.

John the Libertarian on January 12, 2013 at 11:30 PM

Tens of thousands are set to march in Paris on Sunday to denounce government plans to legalise same-sex marriage and adoption which have angered many Catholics and Muslims, France’s two main faiths.

http://www.breitbart.com/system/wire/CNG—a74091b76996f807c1b2a6fe508a7155—61

davidk on January 12, 2013 at 11:30 PM

If gun ownership deters crime, shouldn’t there be almost no criminals going towards any of the listed addresses?

libfreeordie on January 12, 2013 at 11:23 PM

Well yeah because the list delineates the type of person living there; cop, single person, handicapped, woman with restraining order against ex husband, prison guard who works the night shift leaving his family at home and vulnerable.

Man, you got it all figured out.

Bishop on January 12, 2013 at 11:30 PM

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