WaPo: Yeah, Morgan got pwned last night

posted at 12:41 pm on January 11, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Normally I’d be tempted to just add this as an update to the previous post, but it’s just too delicious not to highlight on its own.  As Duane wrote in his GR post, Piers Morgan went from his embarrassing display in his interview with Ben Shapiro to lamenting about Shapiro’s “intransigent” performance with Mark Kelly afterward.  Eric Wemple at the Washington Post confirms that Shapiro wasn’t intransigent — he was just a lot smarter than Morgan and beat him at his own game:

And Piers Morgan struggled to find the appropriate strategy for dismissing Ben Shapiro, editor-at-large of Breitbart.com and a foe of extraordinary polemical agility. He started in on Morgan by contending that the CNN star had exploited the dead children of Newtown …

Patented outrage spilled from Morgan: “How dare you.” And then the conversation took a turn for the better, as Shapiro cornered the CNN host on a central disconnect of the ongoing gun-violence debate: Proposals are floating around to redo the ban on assault rifles, something Morgan supports.  But Shapiro wonders ….

Wemple then excerpts Shapiro’s challenge to Morgan on handguns.  Murders by rifle are relatively rare, more rare than murders by knives, for example.  Most murders by firearm involve handguns — so why isn’t Morgan backing a handgun ban, too?  Wemple cuts out the best part of Shapiro’s pushback, though:

SHAPIRO: This is what I wanted to ask you, Piers, because I have seen you talk about assault weapons a lot, and I have seen Mark Kelly talk about assault weapons. The vast majority of murders in this country that are committed with guns are committed with handguns, they are not committed assault weapons. Are you willing to ban handguns in this country, across this country?

MORGAN: No, that’s not what I’m asking for.

SHAPIRO: Why not? Don’t you care about the kids who are being killed in Chicago as much as the kids in Sandy Hook?

That’s the exact kind of argument that Morgan uses on his guests, but can’t handle when used back on him.  Wemple points out that Morgan seemed completely unprepared for his own tactics to be used on himself, and for Shapiro’s preparation:

Where Jones proved needy of a background screening, Shapiro was rational and on point. Where Jones failed to directly address Morgan’s points, Shapiro went right at them. Where Jones monologued, Shapiro got through his points quickly and shut up.
All those skills came in handy as Morgan tried to trap Shapiro by noting that Ronald Reagan had supported curbs on assault weapons:

MORGAN: One of the great right-wing presidents of modern times agreed with me.

Shapiro’s priceless retort: “So?”

It’s what happens in a battle of wits when one side is only half-armed.  In truth, it doesn’t take “extreme polemical agility” to beat a poorly-informed journalistic bully like Morgan … but it certainly helps.

Update: As Twitchy reports, the whining continues.

Update II: In a more serious vein, Michael Moynihan perfectly captures the dishonesty of Morgan and his entire approach:

None of this should be surprising, coming as it does from a disgraced former tabloid editor and ex-talent show judge. Indeed, a quick look at Morgan’s oeuvre, which includes stints at the News of the World, which was shuttered during the phone hacking scandal, and the Daily Mirror, from which he was fired for publishing fake photos of British soldiers abusing Iraqi prisoners, and one understands that Morgan is incapable of nuance. Take his description of supermodel Kate Moss, whom he dismissed as a “drunken, foul-mouthed, ill-mannered, paranoid Croydon girl with a cocaine- desecrated hooter and spots.” Her ex-boyfriend Pete Doherty, former guitar player in The Libertines, a seminal British post-punk band, is a “filthy talentless junkie who can’t sing.” They are funny lines, for sure, but one needn’t rush to YouTube to discover that Morgan is even more contemptuous of Second Amendment enthusiasts.

This is not an argument about the wisdom of owning an AR-15 or the judiciousness of outlawing certain high-capacity clips, but of the silliness of the Drudge and Morgan-style debate, which has abandoned reason for moral outrage. To disagree with Piers Morgan is to argue in bad faith, to be opposed to common sense, to be an uncaring, unfeeling tool of the gun lobby. Former CNN host Larry King, who Morgan replaced in 2011, told the Huffington Post this week that the show was now “all about the host,” where “the guest becomes the prop to the host.”

The Leveson Report on phone hacking in the British tabloid industry noted that in 2003 Morgan sent an email to a police officer who had complained about a story in The Daily Mirror, shrugging that “fame and crime sends most of the usual rules out of the window.” Morgan is himself famous, and has now taken it upon himself to adjudicate the complicated issue of crime—the thorny issue of America’s gun culture—by having shouting matches with paranoiacs like Alex Jones and Jesse Ventura. And in the process, he has, as promised, tossed the rules of responsible journalism out the window.

Nothing on his resumé indicates Morgan ever cared about “responsible journalism” in the first place.

Update III: Jim Treacher compares Morgan’s Twitter feed after the Alex Jones appearance and after last night’s train wreck.  Don’t be surprised to find a heapin’ helping of hypocrisy.


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Expect liberals to call this a ‘win’.

/derisive snort

Liam on January 11, 2013 at 12:43 PM

I want this alien, who is a confirmed criminal in Britain, out of my/our country.

Liam on January 11, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Whining and begging for sympathy is not very becoming…btw, who is this Piers Morgan..?
Wasn’t he fired in the UK and CNN was the only place he could find a job?

d1carter on January 11, 2013 at 12:47 PM

That’s how all arguments with deranged liberals should go on every issue. However there are too many conservative “pundits” that are not witty or capable, and cannot do what Ben Shapiro did to Piers Morgan.

milcus on January 11, 2013 at 12:47 PM

WaPo: Yeah, Morgan got pwned last night

Not hard to do really….unless of course his “opposition”
is someone like Alex Jones….or this guy.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/11/tactical-response-ceo-goes-ballistic-over-obamas-gun-control-plans-if-it-goes-one-inch-further-im-going-to-start-killing-people/

ToddPA on January 11, 2013 at 12:47 PM

There is a reason Morgan et al don’t have a lot of viewership. They are self marginalizing. Give them enough opportunity to open their mouths and they marginalize themselves all the more. Morgan could potentially self deport out of sheer lack of work and embarrassment.

Logus on January 11, 2013 at 12:48 PM

What is the difference between an Assault Weapon and the arms covered by the 2nd amendment?

Galt2009 on January 11, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Y’all are really reaching in your zeal to applaud the wee little boy Shapiro.
He was a 100% disaster. An embarrassment to ALL gun-fanciers. He doesn’t know squat.

QUOTE: “Subsequently, Morgan accused Shapiro of wanting to “do
nothing” about mass shootings, to which Shapiro replied that his position was to improve background checks and screening for mental illness and criminal histories among potential gun owners and their households.”
Shapiro is as clueless and “bent” as Morgan:

“Subsequently, Morgan accused Shapiro of wanting to “do
nothing” about mass shootings, to which Shapiro replied that his position was to improve background checks and screening for mental illness and criminal histories among potential gun owners and their households.”

Oh?
Sure. Now, just how will the gubmint manage that?

- criminal histories among potential gun owners
Already the “law”,
- and their households,
That is NOT Constitutional. You might want jack-booted thugs tossing YOUR house in the middle of the night to make sure that everyone there is “mentally healthy” – whatever THAT means,
- improve background checks,
Forget about it. It’s already being done,
- screening for mental illness,
Now THERE is the most clueless suggestion I have yet read. How is the gubmint going to do that – force every potential gun buyer to undergo a $1k (plus) psych. eval.? Ludicrous. (but come see me, I’ll give you a good rate *grin*)
OR … Do you want to provide the gubmint with unfettered access to your medical records and those of your family?
This entire sideshow is insane.

You wusses can have your boychicks speak for you, but many of we Veterans beg to differ with the little kid and you.

“Gun Owners of America: 38 Years of NO Compromise” … PERIOD!
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on January 11, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Whining and begging for sympathy is not very becoming…btw, who is this Piers Morgan..?
Wasn’t he fired in the UK and CNN was the only place he could find a job?

d1carter on January 11, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Brits hate him so much they started a petition to not make them take him back.

Liam on January 11, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Hysteria without evidence is a liberal’s wet dream.

hillsoftx on January 11, 2013 at 12:48 PM

What is the difference between an Assault Weapon and the arms covered by the 2nd amendment?

Galt2009 on January 11, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Liberalism

Liam on January 11, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Kudos

Pound sand Morgan

cmsinaz on January 11, 2013 at 12:49 PM

God Bless you and your family Gov Haley…

d1carter on January 11, 2013 at 12:50 PM

MORGAN: One of the great right-wing presidents of modern times agreed with me.

Shapiro’s priceless retort: “So?”

Spectacular.

Again….well done Mr. Shapiro.

Tim_CA on January 11, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Shapiro’s priceless retort: “So?”

God bless you Andrew Breitbart. You are missed.

alwaysfiredup on January 11, 2013 at 12:51 PM

What is the difference between an Assault Weapon and the arms covered by the 2nd amendment?

Galt2009 on January 11, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Liberalism

Liam on January 11, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Heh.

Tim_CA on January 11, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Me thinks after the Alex Jones ordeal,
Piers Morgan is getting Gun Shy!!
(sarc)

canopfor on January 11, 2013 at 12:52 PM

*SIGH* This is what happens when you give a media blowhard the mantle of liberal representative. Now I understand what intelligent conservatives feel when they watch Sean Hannity. Oh Piers, there were so many ways you could’ve won this fight…and you just lost.

libfreeordie on January 11, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Brits hate him so much they started a petition to not make them take him back.

Liam on January 11, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Maybe because the rational Brits have seen the benefits of gun-ownership. Also, because Morgan is a complete tool (understatement).

Aizen on January 11, 2013 at 12:52 PM

He did but Shapiro messed up too.

Schadenfreude on January 11, 2013 at 12:53 PM

libfreeordie on January 11, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Intelligent R/Cs and especially independents don’t watch Hannity.

At least you get it, in part.

Schadenfreude on January 11, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Ben did well but he should not concede the point that you need to justify owning a rifle as Morgan kept cornering him on.
Shapiro does not have to justify why a person needs to own a rifle.
It is their right to own one plain and simple and to fall back on the govt. abuse argument may not be a good strategy.
Let Morgan explain why we cannot own one instead.
Also he should not get trapped into using Morgan’s and the left’s terminology of “assault rifle”.
The term is purposely hyperbolic and inflammatory.

In the future it might also be a good idea to remind the Piers Morgan’s of the world that one year of killings in Chicago probably outweigh all the mass shootings in the last fifty years combined and they have strict gun control.

NeoKong on January 11, 2013 at 12:54 PM

“Gun Owners of America: 38 Years of NO Compromise” … PERIOD!
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on January 11, 2013 at 12:48 PM

+1

He was not Jones and made smug Morgan squirm but he had his facts wrong.

Schadenfreude on January 11, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Just so you know. Your cable payment supports this Tory Prig.

ronsfi on January 11, 2013 at 12:56 PM

The Poor Bloke Brit,has taken a Bleed`n and Bloody
pounding for that young Yank,

hahahahahahhahha,ahem!!

canopfor on January 11, 2013 at 12:56 PM

There is a reason Morgan et al don’t have a lot of viewership. They are self marginalizing. Give them enough opportunity to open their mouths and they marginalize themselves all the more. Morgan could potentially self deport out of sheer lack of work and embarrassment.

Logus on January 11, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Maybe so, but Shapiro’s tactics were brilliant and I’m sure they’d be equally effective against gun control’s other MSM allies.

The larger point is that conservatives need to adopt more of the Breitbart strategy, used so well by Shapiro here, to take the fight to the liberals. Hiding under the desk and hoping the liberals will leave you alone doesn’t work. (We tried that strategy in 2012 with abortion and, by October, the liberals ran the table on us so thoroughly that they convinced folks that Romney was going to ban birth control and legalize rape).

Outlander on January 11, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Oh Piers, there were so many ways you could’ve won this fight…and you just lost.

libfreeordie on January 11, 2013 at 12:52 PM

There is NO way Piers or Barack can win this one, not constitutionally.

YOU, learn and live free. You can still do it.

Schadenfreude on January 11, 2013 at 12:57 PM

*SIGH* This is what happens when you give a media blowhard the mantle of liberal representative. Now I understand what intelligent conservatives feel when they watch Sean Hannity. Oh Piers, there were so many ways you could’ve won this fight…and you just lost.

libfreeordie on January 11, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Why not take up the standard prof? How will this brand-new-can’t-fail “assault weapons” ban prevent any crime? How would it have prevented any of these massacres?

Or are you going to be honest and admit that the left really wants all guns to be illegal?

gwelf on January 11, 2013 at 12:59 PM

of course the WAPO would think Ben won. He agreed 100% with the left. they just disagreed on the means and amount of guns to take.

unseen on January 11, 2013 at 12:59 PM

*SIGH* This is what happens when you give a media blowhard the mantle of liberal representative. Now I understand what intelligent conservatives feel when they watch Sean Hannity. Oh Piers, there were so many ways you could’ve won this fight…and you just lost.

libfreeordie on January 11, 2013 at 12:52 PM

You need to get on his Great, great, Gr…oh the hell with it,

you need to get on that panel he has….

ToddPA on January 11, 2013 at 1:00 PM

*SIGH* This is what happens when you give a media blowhard the mantle of liberal representative. Now I understand what intelligent conservatives feel when they watch Sean Hannity. Oh Piers, there were so many ways you could’ve won this fight…and you just lost.

libfreeordie on January 11, 2013 at 12:52 PM

No, you gay liberal racial obnoxious brat.

I’m sick of reading your bullsnot.

You want to be liberal,you want to clean up gun violence? Then how about you go take the guns from the gangstas you praise so much in your Hip-Hop and Rap.

When you clean your own room, maybe you’ll worth listening to.

Liam on January 11, 2013 at 1:00 PM

I remember when Shapiro’s voice broke. lol! Starting in high school and through out his undergrad years, he use to call the Larry Elder Show. There was no doubts as to his intelligence.

Blake on January 11, 2013 at 1:01 PM

All Shapiro had to do to beat the insignificant Piers Morgan was seemingly agree to a national gun registry. Morgan is now useless to the left, but those comments from Shapiro are a gold mine.

Daemonocracy on January 11, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Oh Piers, there were so many ways you could’ve won this fight…and you just lost.

libfreeordie on January 11, 2013 at 12:52 PM

No he couldn’t have won. He and you, are on the wrong side of the argument and have no facts or logic to back it up. You libtards are all emotion and hysterics – no logic, no reason, no facts.

dentarthurdent on January 11, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Eh. Shapiro wasn’t too bad but I was disappointed in his defense of the 2nd amendment and the reasons to support gun ownership.

Every time Morgan asked why people should own an AR-15 Shapiro should have brought up shop owners defending their livelihoods in LA riots.
He should have brought up it’s usefulness (and there are many many examples to be found in local newspapers) in defending the home against violent criminals. A rifle is easier to aim and is more accurate than a hand gun. In fact Breitbart.com highlighted the recent case where a 15 year old boy used an AR-15 to defend himself and his younger sister against violent criminals entering their home.

Shapiro should have kept hammering the point that banning “assault weapons” wouldn’t have changed the outcome of any of these massacres.

When Morgan mentioned the shooting at the mall in Portland Shapiro should have mentioned that a concealed carry holder drove the shooter to kill himself – especially when Morgan was attacking the idea put out there by us that “if only someone there had been armed besides the killer”.

When Morgan pulled out the Reagan quote about the 90′s assault weapon ban Shapiro should have immediately said that Reagan was wrong and that statistics and analysis show that the ban had no affect on crime. We’ve already tried this and it didn’t work.

gwelf on January 11, 2013 at 1:01 PM

*SIGH* This is what happens when you give a media blowhard the mantle of liberal representative. Now I understand what intelligent conservatives feel when they watch Sean Hannity. Oh Piers, there were so many ways you could’ve won this fight…and you just lost.

libfreeordie on January 11, 2013 at 12:52 PM

You don’t think Shapiro would have bested Rachel Maddow in a one-on-one debate? Maddow whines when debated and screams “Leave Me Alone.”

This is why liberals will only have conservatives on a panel when the ratio is at least 3:1 Liberal to Conservative.

Or the Chris Matthews/Lawrence O’Donnel way of debating: shouting, interrupting or calling the opponent a “racist birther.”

sentinelrules on January 11, 2013 at 1:03 PM

libfreeordie on January 11, 2013 at 12:52 PM

You didn’t even like Shapiro’s question to Morgan about if/why he cared more about kids in Newtown getting killed than black kids in Chicago?

gwelf on January 11, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Ben Shapiro, a very adroit use of the Holocaust card.

Bravo, sir…

JohnGalt23 on January 11, 2013 at 1:04 PM

To libfreeordie:

How would Piers win the argument? You never win any arguments here.

22044 on January 11, 2013 at 1:04 PM

All Shapiro had to do to beat the insignificant Piers Morgan was seemingly agree to a national gun registry. Morgan is now useless to the left, but those comments from Shapiro are a gold mine.

Daemonocracy on January 11, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Yeah – Shapiro should have pushed back against the national gun registry. He should have asked why we need a registry if we’re already running a background check at the time of a transaction?

It’s also “funny” that Morgan would push for a national registry yet wonder why a populace would need guns as insurance against government tyranny.

gwelf on January 11, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Question: Why does anyone NEED an Assault Weapon?

Answer: It’s called the “Bill of Rights”…not the “Bill of Needs”.

(hat-tip Mark Levin)

Tim_CA on January 11, 2013 at 1:05 PM

of course the WAPO would think Ben won. He agreed 100% with the left. they just disagreed on the means and amount of guns to take.

unseen on January 11, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Exactly.

Dante on January 11, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Hee.. Someone got a taste of his own medicine last night.

Illinidiva on January 11, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Statistics show that most of these mass-shooting occur in un-Constitutional gun-free zomes. These hippie gun-free zones attract mass shooters seeking defenseless victims. The people who want to ban our guns are the same ones who, aside from the shooters themselves, are most to blame for these shootings. Afterword they exploit the inevitable consequences of their failed, Utopian, hippie policies—the victims of the mass shootings—for fund raising, (TV ratings), and to promote their anti-American attacks on our freedom and liberty.

FloatingRock on January 11, 2013 at 1:06 PM

I give credit to Morgan for one thing, and one thing only.

At least Morgan invites conservatives on his show unlike MSDNC primetime, which is afraid to debate conservatives.

sentinelrules on January 11, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Oh Piers, there were so many ways you could’ve won this fight…and you just lost.

libfreeordie on January 11, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Morgan’s disadvantage is that like most liberals, he hides what he truly believes in a false display of moderation. He wants hand guns to be outlawed like in the UK but won’t admit it up front. It’s how you people operate and you exploit every mass shooting you can to try and chip away at gun rights.

Daemonocracy on January 11, 2013 at 1:07 PM

I will never watch CNN again as long as Piers Morgan has a program there.

FloatingRock on January 11, 2013 at 1:07 PM

of course the WAPO would think Ben won. He agreed 100% with the left. they just disagreed on the means and amount of guns to take.

unseen on January 11, 2013 at 12:59 PM

I wouldn’t say 100% but yes Shapiro agreed to much. I think this is the missed opportunity for Morgan – he should have capitalized on all the things Shapiro was agreeing with.

gwelf on January 11, 2013 at 1:07 PM

I give credit to Morgan for one thing, and one thing only.

At least Morgan invites conservatives on his show unlike MSDNC primetime, which is afraid to debate conservatives.

sentinelrules on January 11, 2013 at 1:06 PM

oh…I don’t think he’ll be inviting Mr. Shapiro back any time soon.

Tim_CA on January 11, 2013 at 1:08 PM

gwelf on January 11, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Don’t waste your time with him. He is unable to speak the truth in his own heart let alone to the rest of us.

chemman on January 11, 2013 at 1:08 PM

I got sick of Fox News during the primaries and started watching CNN a few times a week, but no more.

FloatingRock on January 11, 2013 at 1:08 PM

Great, Dante the moocher came here to puke on this thread as well.

22044 on January 11, 2013 at 1:08 PM

Ben Shapiro, a very adroit use of the Holocaust card.

Bravo, sir…

JohnGalt23 on January 11, 2013 at 1:04 PM

It’s what I liked best about the segment. I thought Shapiro handled himself very well and also liked that he called PM out on his use of the Sandy Hook victims as a standard bearer for gun grabs. I thought he could have been a bit stronger on some of the details and perhaps should have refrained from appearing to cede any ground to the left, but over all I think he did okay. I prefer his style to Alex Jones’ who is like “our side’s” (if you will, I’m not sure exactly what side he’s on normally, but for this issue it’s ours) Chris Matthews in his debate style: all flying flecks of spittle and wild eyes.

totherightofthem on January 11, 2013 at 1:08 PM

Megyn Kelly just gave a shout out to Hot Air about 5 minutes ago. It was related to one of the threads about setting up the GOP to look like extremists on guns.

TxAnn56 on January 11, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Manning is a whistleblower and a hero.

Dante on December 6, 2012 at 8:54 AM

Die, scumbag.

M240H on January 11, 2013 at 1:11 PM

Liberals cannot engage a conservative in a rational conversation. It is just impossible. Their irrational brains always revert to blaming someone, or something else, ranting incoherently, changing the subject and/or name calling. That is the limit of their ability to engage a conservative.

cajunpatriot on January 11, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Oh Piers, there were so many ways you could’ve won this fight…and you just lost.

libfreeordie on January 11, 2013 at 12:52 PM

He’s an idiot with rotten material to work with.

Assault weapon bans is yet another example of hysteria trumping data. Liberals want to show they’re doing something, even if it does nothing to solve the problem, or even make it much worse.

ObamaCare is another great example.

Chuck Schick on January 11, 2013 at 1:12 PM

libfreeordie on January 11, 2013 at 12:52 PM

You didn’t even like Shapiro’s question to Morgan about if/why he cared more about kids in Newtown getting killed than black kids in Chicago?

gwelf on January 11, 2013 at 1:03 PM

gwelf:)
=========

Officials and parents at a Chicago school meet after a 13-year-old student brings a gun to school – @ABC7Chicago

6 mins ago from abclocal.go.com by editor

canopfor on January 11, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Shapiro also should have mentioned the shotgun that was used in the school shooting yesterday. Ban shotguns too?

gwelf on January 11, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Indeed, a quick look at Morgan’s oeuvre, which includes stints at the News of the World, which was shuttered during the phone hacking scandal, and the Daily Mirror, from which he was fired for publishing fake photos of British soldiers abusing Iraqi prisoners,

Comparable malfeasence in the real world would make it hard for someone to get another job. In journalism (sports, Hollywood…), it’s a resume enhancer.

Nothing on his resumé indicates Morgan ever cared about “responsible journalism” in the first place.

You’ve got that right Ed.

hopeful on January 11, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Liberals cannot engage a conservative in a rational conversation. It is just impossible. Their irrational brains always revert to blaming someone, or something else, ranting incoherently, changing the subject and/or name calling. That is the limit of their ability to engage a conservative.

cajunpatriot on January 11, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Yep, that’s why no one can argue with a liberal. I violate that principle all the time, though.

22044 on January 11, 2013 at 1:14 PM

I give credit to Morgan for one thing, and one thing only.

At least Morgan invites conservatives on his show unlike MSDNC primetime, which is afraid to debate conservatives.

sentinelrules on January 11, 2013 at 1:06 PM

In all fairness I’ll give him credit for that too, and his ratings I’m sure are benefiting as a result. Unfortunately, his show is nowhere near the intellectual discourse of something like Firing Line used to be, but what is these days? From Fox to MSNBC, they’re all blowhard partisans and ratings wh0res.

Daemonocracy on January 11, 2013 at 1:15 PM

“…[C]learly prove is that he was aware that [phone hacking] was taking place in the press as a whole and that he was sufficiently unembarrassed by what was criminal behaviour that he was prepared to joke about it.”

- Leveson Inquiry

Resist We Much on January 11, 2013 at 1:16 PM

As long as Piers Morgan has a program on their network the only CNN I’ll be watching is when HotAir links to their online content. I actually enjoy watching 2nd amendment defenders expose Piers Morgan but now that he has been exposed, and is on the lamb from the UK for fraudulent journalism, apparently, then CNN discredits itself. CNN might as well hire Eason Jordan back or whatever his name was, and why not Dan Rather as well?

FloatingRock on January 11, 2013 at 1:17 PM

God bless you Andrew Breitbart. You are missed.

alwaysfiredup on January 11, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Ben should have replied correctly.

Oh the horror!

LoganSix on January 11, 2013 at 1:18 PM

Question 1: Why do people give this British idiot the spotlight by appearing no his show?

Question 2: Is it lawful for anyone in the House to introduce a bill that deports this MoFo back to his dream land of England, with all the gun bans he dreams of and all the crime that resulted due to that? After all, he is against our laws and Constitution. Why not have a vote on it and see who votes Nay. Pass it to Senate and see votes Nay there. Should be a quick and easy way to find out who in Congress does not support the laws they were sworn to uphold. And see clearly who we can count on in the gun control “discussion”.

riddick on January 11, 2013 at 1:18 PM

Don’t waste your time with him. He is unable to speak the truth in his own heart let alone to the rest of us.

chemman on January 11, 2013 at 1:08 PM

Unseen has been one of HotAir’s most insightful small-gov conservative RINO shredders here for years. I happen to think that Ben’s debate performance was excellent but he did cede some ground that many 2nd amendment supporters don’t. In that respect both sides are right, IMO.

FloatingRock on January 11, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Manning is a whistleblower and a hero.

Dante on December 6, 2012 at 8:54 AM

1. Because I am a lawyer, I will say that Manning only “allegedly” violated 18 U.S.C. § 793 & § 798.

2. Whistleblower statutes apply to civilians. There is no “civil disobedience” in the military. Manning is NOT a civilian. In the military, troops do not even have full First Amendment rights, for example.

Bradley Manning did not go to someone in Congress, who could have read the records on the floor of the House or Senate, as Senator Mike Gravel did with the Pentagon Papers. He did not go to the Washington Post, New York Times, or some other American media outlet. He went to Julian Assange and wikileaks, whose anti-Americanism is well-known. If Bradley Manning had altruistic motives, there were other methods to get the story out. Instead, he turned over classified documents to a foreign national and his organisation with an intent to hurt his own country.

He is neither a whistleblower nor a hero.

Resist We Much on January 11, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Oh Piers, there were so many ways you could’ve won this fight…and you just lost.

libfreeordie on January 11, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Explain how you would’ve won it. Wait…wait…my popcorn will be finished in 30 seconds…

Pale Rider on January 11, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Oh Piers, there were so many ways you could’ve won this fight…and you just lost.

libfreeordie on January 11, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Care to name all these ways Morgan could have “won”?

(Starts Stopwatch)

Del Dolemonte on January 11, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Shapiro landed the biggest haymaker right off the bat. He addressed the 800 lbs. gorilla in the room when he accused Morgan of “standing on the graves” of the Newtown kids.
Morgan’s response was so short and tepid, one could not help but think that he was thinking ” damn, busted”

After that, anything Morgan said was tainted.

I applaud Ben Shapiro for that.
Certainly, Piers Morgan was a most excellent foil.

Jabberwock on January 11, 2013 at 1:28 PM

libfreeordie on January 11, 2013 at 12:52 PM

You’re just another gay. Really–there’s nothing special or important about you.

Liam on January 11, 2013 at 1:28 PM

*SIGH* This is what happens when you give a media blowhard the mantle of liberal representative. Now I understand what intelligent conservatives feel when they watch Sean Hannity. Oh Piers, there were so many ways you could’ve won this fight…and you just lost.

libfreeordie on January 11, 2013 at 12:52 PM

You cannot win a fight going against the truth, facts, logic, and the Constitution…

mnjg on January 11, 2013 at 1:30 PM

I give credit to Morgan for one thing, and one thing only.

At least Morgan invites conservatives on his show unlike MSDNC primetime, which is afraid to debate conservatives.

sentinelrules on January 11, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Oh come on! Morgan has conservatives on so he can bully and browbeat them. Hard to do when you are speaking in an echo chamber of the left. Nevertheless, he got his butt kicked last night and is too stupid to know it.

I’ve heard the “little book” quote countless times today. I would not be surprised if CNN is booking a few guest hosts right now.

Happy Nomad on January 11, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Oh Piers, there were so many ways you could’ve won this fight…and you just lost.

libfreeordie on January 11, 2013 at 12:52 PM

There was no way Piers could have won. He doesn’t have the facts, law or evidence on his side. All he has is histrionics, which I confess seems to be effective at times with people like you, but can be easily destroyed by an intelligent, prepared debater.

Resist We Much on January 11, 2013 at 1:32 PM

A question:

How is it possible in an age of journalists hacking phones, photos of a princess topless on the front page, and, at least figuratively, the bowel movements of every celebutwit being newsworthy, we know absolutely nothing factual about Adam Lanza’s psychological issues or even the contents of his medicine cabinet?

The Occam-razored explanation that I see is a self-imposed silence predicated upon knowledge of maladies that would diminish a narrative that serves an agenda.

M240H on January 11, 2013 at 1:33 PM

At least Morgan invites conservatives on his show unlike MSDNC primetime, which is afraid to debate conservatives.
sentinelrules on January 11, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Thats because leftist Eurotrash like Morgan think that many Americans, most conservatives and all 2nd Amendment supporters are unthinking Neanderthals incapable of responding to their brilliant insight. Most of the time Morgan selects conservative guests who he thinks fit the description above. Last night he was expecting a little light bull baiting but got a goring instead.

morbius on January 11, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Manning is a whistleblower and a hero.

Dante on December 6, 2012 at 8:54 AM

Resist We Much on January 11, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Just so you’re aware, since then Dante’s position has evolved a bit. He may still consider Manning to be a whistleblower and hero but he’s declared that anybody serving in the military is a chump who serves the political machine without any sort of honor or duty to the country.

In short, I can see why Dante considers Manning to be a hero. Self-aborbed traitors pretty much are the anti-chumps in Dante’s world.

Happy Nomad on January 11, 2013 at 1:35 PM

He doesn’t have the facts, law or evidence on his side. All he has is histrionics, which I confess seems to be effective at times with people like you

Resist We Much on January 11, 2013 at 1:32 PM

lol…when you’ve lost the Washington Post…

Tim_CA on January 11, 2013 at 1:38 PM

A question:

How is it possible in an age of journalists hacking phones, photos of a princess topless on the front page, and, at least figuratively, the bowel movements of every celebutwit being newsworthy, we know absolutely nothing factual about Adam Lanza’s psychological issues or even the contents of his medicine cabinet?

M240H on January 11, 2013 at 1:33 PM

How is it fully four months after the attack on the consulate at Benghazi and we don’t know the cause of death of those four Americans. We don’t know what Ambassador Stevens or the CIA was doing there. Who gave the order to stand down. Why the military didn’t use their rapid response team even though the State Dept had real-time video. What Hillary Clinton knew and when she knew it. Why Clinton and the rat-eared wonder lied their asses off on 9/12 and Susan Rice furthered the lies on the Sunday talk shows…….

Need I go on? All this talk of low-information voters (we used to call them morons) ignores a big cause of the ignorance. The MSM is more concerned with writing “narratives” than reporting facts. With regard to Benghazi, the narrative is that there is nothing to see and the guy who got Osama was perfectly justified in going to bed even though he knew Stevens was missing and his fundraising trip to Vegas perfectly normal for the situation. In the case of Sandy Hook, the narrative is that there are too many dangerous guns on the street and outright seizure of privately owned guns is the only solution.

Happy Nomad on January 11, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Happy Nomad on January 11, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Evolution in under forty days? Lord, it’s a miracle!

As for me, I shall retain my tramontane, atavistic ways.

M240H on January 11, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Happy Nomad on January 11, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Nice parallel.

M240H on January 11, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Pin the tail on the donkey.

Speakup on January 11, 2013 at 1:45 PM

One wonders why the Obama clan wasn’t trying to push gun legislation last year when the murder rates in the inner cities (particularly Obama’s home town) with illegal guns were (and still are) through the roof.

coughELECTIONcough

Only now after the election and after a particularly horrifying school shooting do they latch onto it and try it to ram a shredding of the Bill of Rights down everyone’s throat with as little rational debate as possible.

All from behind a wall of armed security detail.

Good Lt on January 11, 2013 at 1:46 PM

How To Befuddle A Gun Grabber

Resist We Much on January 11, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Scratch befuddling.

Just hang the bastard and be done with it.

Liam on January 11, 2013 at 1:46 PM

You’re just another gay. Really–there’s nothing special or important about you.

Liam on January 11, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Scratch befuddling.

Just hang the bastard and be done with it.

Liam on January 11, 2013 at 1:46 PM

?

WTF is wrong with you?

Good Lt on January 11, 2013 at 1:48 PM

I saw Larry King was hating on Morgan also. Not always a Larry King fan, but Piers Morgan is no Larry King. Sort of like my opinion of Tim Russert on MTP, didn’t always agree with but at least Russert came across as a professional, whereas Gregory is just a hack.

vcferlita on January 11, 2013 at 1:50 PM

WTF is wrong with you?

Good Lt on January 11, 2013 at 1:48 PM

I don’t tolerate liberals. You have a problem with that?

Liam on January 11, 2013 at 1:51 PM

A question:

How is it possible in an age of journalists hacking phones, photos of a princess topless on the front page, and, at least figuratively, the bowel movements of every celebutwit being newsworthy, we know absolutely nothing factual about Adam Lanza’s psychological issues or even the contents of his medicine cabinet?

M240H on January 11, 2013 at 1:33 PM

How is it fully four months after the attack on the consulate at Benghazi and we don’t know the cause of death of those four Americans. We don’t know what Ambassador Stevens or the CIA was doing there. Who gave the order to stand down. Why the military didn’t use their rapid response team even though the State Dept had real-time video. What Hillary Clinton knew and when she knew it. Why Clinton and the rat-eared wonder lied their asses off on 9/12 and Susan Rice furthered the lies on the Sunday talk shows…….

Need I go on? All this talk of low-information voters (we used to call them morons) ignores a big cause of the ignorance. The MSM is more concerned with writing “narratives” than reporting facts. With regard to Benghazi, the narrative is that there is nothing to see and the guy who got Osama was perfectly justified in going to bed even though he knew Stevens was missing and his fundraising trip to Vegas perfectly normal for the situation. In the case of Sandy Hook, the narrative is that there are too many dangerous guns on the street and outright seizure of privately owned guns is the only solution.

Happy Nomad on January 11, 2013 at 1:42 PM

How is it possible? Because the media has their narrative, and don’t need another one.

I think it was John Leo in U.S. News and World Reports that wrote this some time ago, but every time a reporter or other media figure writes a story about the news, they start by putting the news into a narrative, whether “human interest,” or “victim of oppression,” or “man bites dog,” or “evil corporate interests.” From then on, that’s how the story is framed.

This one is, “evil guns and the knuckle-dragging neanderthals who won’t let us do something about them.” Having that narrative, you won’t see stories about the dangers of media sensationalizing the acts of madmen and criminals, or how to handle potentially mentally-disturbed individuals.

The narrative is set.

tom on January 11, 2013 at 1:54 PM

nice to see that piers morgan is conservatives’ new chew toy. it keeps you busy so the adults can focus on solving problems.

sesquipedalian on January 11, 2013 at 1:55 PM

nice to see that piers morgan is conservatives’ new chew toy. it keeps you busy so the adults can focus on solving problems.

sesquipedalian on January 11, 2013 at 1:55 PM

This is Hilarious.

Tim_CA on January 11, 2013 at 1:56 PM

I don’t tolerate liberals. You have a problem with that?

Liam on January 11, 2013 at 1:51 PM

we couldn’t care less little shits, don’t worry..

sesquipedalian on January 11, 2013 at 1:57 PM

How To Win A 2nd Amendment Debate With A Proggie In Under 30 Seconds

Resist We Much on January 11, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Scratch the argument and just exterminate liberals.

The more I’m forced to deal with them, the more I want them wiped out.

Liam on January 11, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Not always a Larry King fan, but Piers Morgan is no Larry King. Sort of like my opinion of Tim Russert on MTP, didn’t always agree with but at least Russert came across as a professional, whereas Gregory is just a hack.

vcferlita on January 11, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Larry King and Piers Morgan have too entirely different shows. King essentially was the last refuge of scandal-plagued figures who went on his show because they knew he’d ask them what their favorite color was and not why they got caught in bed with a dead hooker. Of course, the guest would be able to “message” the scandal without probing hard questions. Morgan is just a bully.

And BTW, Gregory is not a hack. He is a partisan hack. You knew Russert was a liberal but he asked fair questions of any guest. Gregory takes it upon himself to take sides and prosecute those who hold different views from the liberal echo chamber.

Happy Nomad on January 11, 2013 at 1:58 PM

nice to see that piers morgan is conservatives’ new chew toy.

sesquipedalian on January 11, 2013 at 1:55 PM

LMAO – And he’s positively delicious!

A little fatty though…no meat.

Tim_CA on January 11, 2013 at 1:58 PM

Manning is a whistleblower and a hero.

Dante on December 6, 2012 at 8:54 AM

1. Because I am a lawyer, I will say that Manning only “allegedly” violated 18 U.S.C. § 793 & § 798.

2. Whistleblower statutes apply to civilians. There is no “civil disobedience” in the military. Manning is NOT a civilian. In the military, troops do not even have full First Amendment rights, for example.

Bradley Manning did not go to someone in Congress, who could have read the records on the floor of the House or Senate, as Senator Mike Gravel did with the Pentagon Papers. He did not go to the Washington Post, New York Times, or some other American media outlet. He went to Julian Assange and wikileaks, whose anti-Americanism is well-known. If Bradley Manning had altruistic motives, there were other methods to get the story out. Instead, he turned over classified documents to a foreign national and his organisation with an intent to hurt his own country.

He is neither a whistleblower nor a hero.

Resist We Much on January 11, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Just because it needs to be said: Bradley Manning was a traitor. He should face charges of treason. And, unless there are more extenuating cirumstances than just, “he didn’t like government policy,” the death penalty.

tom on January 11, 2013 at 1:58 PM

nice to see that piers morgan is conservatives’ new chew toy. it keeps you busy so the adults can focus on solving problems.

sesquipedalian on January 11, 2013 at 1:55 PM

So far, the adult solutions are “trillion dollar coins” and “I.O.U.s”

Of course, these adults are libtards and they’re not too intelligent.

sentinelrules on January 11, 2013 at 1:58 PM

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