Who will emerge as the leader of the opposition?

posted at 12:01 pm on January 10, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Hugh Hewitt asks a question today that my editor at The Fiscal Times asked me earlier this week, although in slightly different contexts.  Normally after a national-election loss, the banner-carrier would remain as the nominal head of the opposition — even in the US non-parliamentary system.  The media certainly went to John McCain after 2008′s loss, and for a while to John Kerry after the 2004 election, although by that time they had begun to see Hillary Clinton as the future of the Democratic Party.  All of the above had political offices from which to lead, however, regardless of whether they felt inclined to do so.  Mitt Romney has disappeared entirely back into private life, and the only opposition leaders at the moment in place seem to be having difficulty assuming the role:

When President first was elected John Boehner and Mitch McConnell could not actually serve as leaders of the opposition in the traditional American sense of the term because neither man had the ability to even slow down the president and the Democrats.  (Thank goodness the Democrats did so on their own or we’d be burdened with global warming craziness as well as Obamacare.)

After the 2010 elections, some balance returned to D.C. when the House passed into the control of the GOP, but the race to lead the GOP in the presidential election quickly overshadowed all else, and Boehner/McConnell and their teams were excused from opposition duties quickly though the clashes on budget, taxes and debt limit provided background to the presidential campaign.

The two years ahead thrust new roles on both men and their teams.  They can block the president’s more absurd fancies, but they also have to participate in governing to some extent because our system requires the House’s consent to do anything.

The Speaker’s and Leader’s staffs, however, don’t show any obvious signs of understanding the new media order or the relentlessness of the president’s program.  The president or Vice President Biden uses every day to push their agenda forward and belittle or divide the GOP.  Every day.  Yesterday the Obama machine, supported by its permanent allies in the Manhattan-Beltway media elite, acted to get the focus off the Hagel and Lew nominations and the Holder hold-over and they used Joe Biden and his “executive order” on guns to do so.  Today will see a different part of the carnival throwing up different aspects of stories or new story lines altogether.

Yesterday, as the day before and the day before that, there was no sign of any GOP leader anywhere, on the nominations, on the “executive order” on guns, on the key nominations.  No appearances.  No statements.  Just crickets.

In part, as I argue in my column for TFT today, that’s structural — the result of a bad election cycle and of a failed strategy on Boehner’s part.  Neither men have found the kind of resonance within the GOP to provide the kind of national opposition leadership Hugh seeks.  Plus, the necessity of having to negotiate from a position of relative weakness (thanks to those election results) will make it impossible for them to do so, even if they had the necessary qualities.

The next “opposition leader” has to come from outside the established leader positions, and has to be a relatively new voice to have the kind of credibility that the anti-establishment grassroots demands:

In order to be effective in 2014 and in 2016, the Republican Party needs to find a new voice and direction.  Those won’t come from the current class of establishment GOP figures in Washington, John Boehner and Mitch McConnell.  This isn’t meant as a criticism as much as a nod to reality.  As establishment figures in the 2012 failures, neither will have the kind of influence on Republican activists needed to clarify the mission and the message.  Also, neither operates on a clear philosophical basis, which would be difficult for any Congressional leader to do on an extended basis.  Newt Gingrich and Nancy Pelosi were exceptions to the rule; most Congressional leaders have to compromise and cut deals too often to provide that kind of leadership to the national party.

Who will rise within the GOP to provide unity of purpose and direction and return Republicans to a competitive position?  There are five Republicans to watch for their potential to lead, and what their success might mean for the direction of the GOP in the next two cycles.

I list five potential candidates that will assert themselves in 2013 as the leader of the Republican Party, at least in the rhetorical and ideological sense, if not offical.  All five hold office and have significant platforms, and each would take the GOP in different directions if successful.  The one with the best chance to unite the party’s various factions, though, is the most talented of the Class of 2010:

Marco Rubio – Of 2013’s potential leaders, none bridges the gap between the Tea Party and traditional Republican values better than Senator Rubio.  He was easily the most talented of the class of 2010, both politically and rhetorically.  His speech at the Republican convention last year was both the emotional and political high point of the week for the GOP.  Of the five Republicans to watch, Rubio has the talent to provide the most unity in the short term.  He has offered broad support for a strong military, social conservatism, and significant fiscal reform without alienating other factions in the party.  His leadership would also allow for a public image of the Republican Party that moves away in some degree from the perception of a party of old, white men – and could lift Ted Cruz and Susana Martinez, among others, to higher profiles to bolster the shift.  Furthermore, Rubio has the pole position in this leadership change, thanks to his efforts in the last two years in outreach and media strategy.

We’ll see if other candidates arise that might eclipse these five, or if some of them turn out to be less inclined to exert leadership over the fractious GOP.  I’d bet on Rubio to emerge as the go-to Republican this year, though.


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Palin led us to great victories in 2010, and had a great election 2 months ago, as the rest of the party went down in flames. She seems to have more “political capitol” than anyone else.

idesign on January 10, 2013 at 12:58 PM

fine, I am a liberation libertarian leaning moderate. not good enough for your “true conservative” minority party?

nathor on January 10, 2013 at 12:32 PM

fixed

nathor on January 10, 2013 at 12:36 PM

You imbecile, not only are you not a conservative, you’re not even a Libertarian. Hell even calling you a moderate is a stretch, more of a moderate Liberal/Blue Dog Democrat than anything else.

SWalker on January 10, 2013 at 12:58 PM

1) wining independant vote is meaningless if more “independant” voters end up saying they are dems and thats what happened.

Um, noooooooo. Obama’s base turned out for him. Romney’s base did not. Moreover, more independents voted for Romney than Obama, leading to the conclusion that those independents were more right-leaning than not. This is born out by the dropping Repub identification as many former Republicans become independent due to dissatisfaction with the party and its leadership. Nice try, though.

2) I still remenber the rethoric of a couple of years ago calling obama a “marxist” or even a “hidden muslim”. all BS! the guy belongs in the center right of the dem party. its very hard to consider him a hyperpartisan, he is not!

nathor on January 10, 2013 at 12:52 PM

LOL! Thanks for the laugh. I needed that today.

totherightofthem on January 10, 2013 at 12:58 PM

I still remenber the rethoric of a couple of years ago calling obama a “marxist” or even a “hidden muslim”. all BS! the guy belongs in the center right of the dem party. its very hard to consider him a hyperpartisan, he is not!

nathor on January 10, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Being a libertarian leaning moderate, why didn’t you vote for him then?

Kataklysmic on January 10, 2013 at 12:59 PM

To me, he is the only guy who manages to out smug teh one.

Look to whomever the media is trying to build up (christie..cough) and those are the ones to strike off the list. That takes care of Rubio too.

can_con on January 10, 2013 at 12:56 PM

the media builds ups christie because he has stellar approval ratings…

nathor on January 10, 2013 at 1:00 PM

you cannot crucify popular gopers just because they take some photo ops with obama.

nathor on January 10, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Two points to prove the ignorant moron tag I applied above. Chris Christie may be a popular Republican but he was not crucified for a photo op with the rat-eared wonder.

At the time the bastard was slobbering all over Obama and thanking him for what his administration was doing for NJ…. He hadn’t done anything yet. FEMA ran out of water and no ability to get more for days. People were having to drive miles and wait hours in line just to get gas. He was “crucified” for his endorsement of the enemy on the eve of an election and using lies to do it.

Secondly, Christie couldn’t even be bothered with supporting Romney after that slobbering (but effective with the greedy stupid parasites called NJ voters) act of treason. Election night- He called and gushed his excitement to Obama while he sent an e-mail of condolence to Romney.

Bottom line, Quisling had his supporters too but that doesn’t mean he was a good and popular Norwegian who was unfairly crucified by critics over one act of betrayal.

Happy Nomad on January 10, 2013 at 1:00 PM

I still remenber the rethoric couple of years ago calling obama a “marxist” or even a “hidden muslim”. all BS! the guy belongs in the center right of the dem party. its very hard to consider him a hyperpartisan, he is not!

nathor on January 10, 2013 at 12:52 PM

methinks someone has no clue as to the definition of “Marxist”.

You are, however, more than a little amusing…clueless…but sincerely funny.

Tim_CA on January 10, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Rubio’s so dreamy….when I’m upset, I look
at his picture, then I calm down….

..oh wait, that’s another thread.

ToddPA on January 10, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Also, I have never called the military chumps.

Dante on January 10, 2013 at 12:57 PM

You most certainly did you worthless parasite. You claimed that that former Marine who took Feinstein to task over the Second Amendment was a chump for not understanding that he was a tool of the politicians who (and this is the important part) WAS SERVING THEM AND NOT THE NATION.

Happy Nomad on January 10, 2013 at 1:02 PM

(but effective with the greedy stupid parasites called NJ voters)

Happy Nomad on January 10, 2013 at 1:00 PM

they are no different than most americans, so, this is where you go wrong! the voters are the client, and the clients always right… else, its dictatorship!

nathor on January 10, 2013 at 1:03 PM

why everybody hates huntsman so much?

nathor on January 10, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Unlike most RINOs, Periwinkle Hintsmen openly has hated on conservatives. Plus he was endlessly hyped about by the media, put on the snark at debates, and was blatantly proud to have served as a cabinet member of an incumbent all other candidates allegedly wanted to defeat.

The pathetic wimp WANTS everyone to hate him.

Myron Falwell on January 10, 2013 at 1:03 PM

That won’t happen unless public schools are outlawed/academia is re-taken by conservatives. Highly unlikely.

nobar on January 10, 2013 at 12:52 PM

The retaking of academia by conservatives is inevitable.

If there is to BE any academia, that is. In the end, he who pays the bills makes the rules. Conservatives are paying the bills in this country and will continue to do so after this socialist house of cards collapses under it’s own weight in the next decade or so.

If there is to be ANY government institution such as public schools or higher education in the future it will be up to conservatives to create them.

The current unnatural state of Looter domination (which is what all liberals and progressives are) cannot sustain itself because the parasite is killing the host.

wildcat72 on January 10, 2013 at 1:03 PM

the media builds ups christie because he has stellar approval ratings…

nathor on January 10, 2013 at 1:00 PM

And a left-of-center agenda. Yelling at the teacher’s union a couple of times does not make one a Republican let alone a conservative.

Happy Nomad on January 10, 2013 at 1:04 PM

I still remenber the rethoric couple of years ago calling obama a “marxist” or even a “hidden muslim”. all BS! the guy belongs in the center right of the dem party. its very hard to consider him a hyperpartisan, he is not!

nathor on January 10, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Well folks, here he is, in all his glory.

The one, the only, the ORIGINAL LOW INFORMATION VOTER!!!!!!!!

ToddPA on January 10, 2013 at 1:05 PM

I still remenber the rethoric couple of years ago calling obama a “marxist” or even a “hidden muslim”. all BS! the guy belongs in the center right of the dem party. its very hard to consider him a hyperpartisan, he is not!

nathor on January 10, 2013 at 12:52 PM

If Obama is considered “center-right” in the democrat party of 2013 this only serves to illustrate how criminally insane left the “mainstream” of the party is.

wildcat72 on January 10, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Do NOT utter the words “Jeb Bush” in this article.

Just don’t.

stenwin77 on January 10, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Well folks, here he is, in all his glory.

The one, the only, the ORIGINAL LOW INFORMATION VOTER!!!!!!!!

ToddPA on January 10, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Scary…isn’t it?

This is what happens when CNN is your sole source of info.

Tim_CA on January 10, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Palin led us to great victories in 2010, and had a great election 2 months ago, as the rest of the party went down in flames. She seems to have more “political capitol” than anyone else.

idesign on January 10, 2013 at 12:58 PM

……and when the chips were down she didn’t run and now we have minimum 4 more years of Obama (and he’s unfettered from re-election).

Sorry, in the biggest opportunity to save the country from the Obama disaster she took a pass.

#fail.

PappyD61 on January 10, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Do NOT utter the words “Jeb Bush” in this article.

Just don’t.

stenwin77 on January 10, 2013 at 1:06 PM

+1,000,000,000

Tim_CA on January 10, 2013 at 1:07 PM

OT: Oh bugger. There’s been another school shooting. (According to FoxNews.)

totherightofthem on January 10, 2013 at 1:08 PM

the voters are the client, and the clients always right… else, its dictatorship!

nathor on January 10, 2013 at 1:03 PM

The voter is not “the client” in the sense that you imply. We live in a representative democracy. One is supposed to vote in the best interests of the nation not for the candidate who promises to give out the most “free stuff.” That often means convincing the client to vote for the best overall candidate and not being a worthless greedy parasite.

I’d explain further but it is a grown up thing, you wouldn’t understand.

Happy Nomad on January 10, 2013 at 1:08 PM

You most certainly did you worthless parasite. You claimed that that former Marine who took Feinstein to task over the Second Amendment was a chump for not understanding that he was a tool of the politicians who (and this is the important part) WAS SERVING THEM AND NOT THE NATION.

Happy Nomad on January 10, 2013 at 1:02 PM

I never called him or military members chumps. I said it was ironic that he was saying, “I am not your subject,” and yes, he was serving the political class and the sociopaths, not serving the nation.

Dante on January 10, 2013 at 1:08 PM

Who will emerge as the leader of the opposition?

.
Ask me when the Civil War within the GOP is over.

Any “apparent indicators” right now are meaningless.

listens2glenn on January 10, 2013 at 1:08 PM

there definitely is a leadership vacuum justing waiting to be filled. based on my inital assessment of the man, I think Ted Cruz could be the one to do it.

exceller on January 10, 2013 at 1:09 PM

OT: Oh bugger. There’s been another school shooting. (According to FoxNews.)

totherightofthem on January 10, 2013 at 1:08 PM

And in some backroom at the DNC….. The school shootings will continue until we get the guns.

Happy Nomad on January 10, 2013 at 1:09 PM

And in some backroom at the DNC….. The school shootings will continue until we get the guns.

Happy Nomad on January 10, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Sadly, I fear there is much truth to what you say.

totherightofthem on January 10, 2013 at 1:09 PM

the media builds ups christie because he has stellar approval ratings…
nathor on January 10, 2013 at 1:00 PM

No, that just gives them a reason to build him up. They will build up those they can tear down wih the most veracity when the time comes. Plus, he wept after talking to “the boss”. Lou Reed and he might be forgiven but the Boss?? Yeesh!

can_con on January 10, 2013 at 1:09 PM

I never called him or military members chumps. I said it was ironic that he was saying, “I am not your subject,” and yes, he was serving the political class and the sociopaths, not serving the nation.

Dante on January 10, 2013 at 1:08 PM

This isn’t the Congress. You can’t revise and extend your remarks to cover up what you said in the past. Filthy worthless liar.

Happy Nomad on January 10, 2013 at 1:10 PM

The retaking of academia by conservatives is inevitable.

If there is to BE any academia, that is. In the end, he who pays the bills makes the rules. Conservatives are paying the bills in this country and will continue to do so after this socialist house of cards collapses under it’s own weight in the next decade or so.

If there is to be ANY government institution such as public schools or higher education in the future it will be up to conservatives to create them.

The current unnatural state of Looter domination (which is what all liberals and progressives are) cannot sustain itself because the parasite is killing the host.

wildcat72 on January 10, 2013 at 1:03 PM

I doubt that will ever happen, at least in the majority of our lifetimes. Academia has been rotting out for close to 50 years with Socialist and Communist screeds posing as curriculum. You have to be smart enough to disregard what is taught in order NOT to become a low-info voter, and that level of accomplishment is diminishing by the day.

This generation is the Obamaphone Generation, and little will ever change that. They will be doomed to wallow in their parents’ basements for the rest of their lives, unable to get a job and a life whilst blaming Boooooooooooooosh.

Myron Falwell on January 10, 2013 at 1:10 PM

PappyD61 on January 10, 2013 at 1:07 PM

awwwwwww. poor baby. the butthurt still strong down there in possum holler?

renalin on January 10, 2013 at 1:11 PM

Uh yeah, right. Any list which included Christie and Rubio is in question – these two men are not leaders, they are finger-in-the-wind followers and neither has what it takes to oppose democrats. The Christie/Rubio fantasy needs to be crushed now, before it grows bigger wings.

If the GOP is actually going to offer viable opposition to democrats, the party MUST return to its conservative roots, and stop playing footsie with liberals and progressives.

Pork-Chop on January 10, 2013 at 1:12 PM

I’m sorry but until I see a so-called “conservative” willing to take on Obama/Biden and Cuomo (who may be running in 2016)……

…..I’m unimpressed.

Someone in Congress should be threatening IMPEACHMENT if Obama issues an ExO that “infringe” on citizens right to bear arms.

PappyD61 on January 10, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Christie? No. Can’t lead your party when you are stabbing it in the back.

Perry? No. Thankfully, he’s done outside Texas.

I’d replace those two with Ted Cruz and I guess Paul Ryan.

Jon0815 on January 10, 2013 at 1:14 PM

Ed,nice try on the rubio promo. Since his promotion of Amnesty,I doubt he makes the final cut.

tomshup on January 10, 2013 at 1:14 PM

I think Ted Cruz could be the one to do it.

exceller on January 10, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Could we stop trying to elevate the latest shiny penny as the solution to all our problems? Look, I’m impressed with Ted Cruz but if I don’t support (in part) Rubio or Rand Paul for the role on the basis of not having the experience as first-term Senators; why would I even consider Ted Cruz?

I’d sooner support Jindal or West before a newly-elected individual in his first week in the Senate.

Happy Nomad on January 10, 2013 at 1:15 PM

If Obama is considered “center-right” in the democrat party of 2013 this only serves to illustrate how criminally insane left the “mainstream” of the party is.

wildcat72 on January 10, 2013 at 1:05 PM

they got some victories recently… there is mostly gloating in the leftist forums, but, they still complain about global warming, and single payer. on the defensive side, they complain a lot about unions where they got their buts kicked repeatedly…

the extreme left of their party is represented by Cynthia McKinney and others like her and they are still a minority.

nathor on January 10, 2013 at 1:15 PM

if the 5 that ed lists are all we have. then we are truly effed.

don’t despair y’all. a fair wind blows from Wasilla.

renalin on January 10, 2013 at 1:15 PM

Normally after a national-election loss, the banner-carrier would remain as the nominal head of the opposition — even in the US non-parliamentary system.

Since when? Was Jimmy Carter in 1981 considered the leader of the Democrats, or Walter Mondale in 1985, or Michael Dukakis in 1989? (And Dukakis was still in office as governor of Massachusetts, unlike the other people I’m mentioning.) What about Bush 41 in 1993 for the Republicans, or Dole in 1997? I don’t remember any of them being considered the leaders of their parties after their election losses.

J.S.K. on January 10, 2013 at 1:15 PM

I can’t for the life of me understand why people are enamored with Rubio? – his close ties to the Bush clan should concern anyone that thinks the Establishment IS the problem of the Republican Party. Yes, he makes nice speeches and I’m sure he’s a decent man but come on! We won’t get anywhere by playing identity politics like the democrats….but alas, you can’t say hardly anything concerning about Rubio and not be denounce that he’s great and you don’t know what you’re talking about

journeymike on January 10, 2013 at 1:16 PM

cdog0613 on January 10, 2013 at 12:36 PM

I believe that Rubio won’t shrink the size of government for the same reason that you (I presume) believe that he will.

A hunch.

Rubio has no real record to speak of, having only been in the Senate for a couple of years. That “no” vote by him on the fiscal cliff deal proves nothing, because his vote was not needed. The leadership gave him a pass. His fiscal conservatism is all rhetoric at this point

Rubio, despite his so-called Tea Party cred, is a Bush guy, and a party guy through and through. He’ll do as he’s told, as did Paul Ryan and Rick Santorum, two other “fiscal conservatives” who, when push came to shove, voted as “party loyalists” on the budget busting big bills like No Child Left Behind, Medicare Part D, TARP, and the auto bailouts. These guys pose as tough, principled fiscal hawks when cutting free lunches for kids, fiddling around in the budget margins, but somehow the government keeps growing on their watch, for whatever the reason is that week.

Rubio will disappoint. You can bet the bank on it.

Mr. Arkadin on January 10, 2013 at 1:16 PM

That no one from the media has been trying to inflate Jindal makes him palatable to me. Even with his potential misstep on having birth control over-the-counter (which, admittedly, was totally overshadowed by Sandy Hook), he at least is LEADING. And as Ed points out, his SOTU response debacle is now ancient history.

I’m also game for a Rick Perry revival. He was my #1 choice in the primaries, and I only voted for Santorum because Rick’s campaign was officially defunct before the Ohio primary. (It imploded way beforehand, I know…)

Myron Falwell on January 10, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Will fully support: Rand Paul or Scott Walker. If they aren’t the GOP’s future the party is as good as gone. Don’t know enough about Ted Cruz to judge.

Will cheer from the sidelines: Tim Pawlenty or Bobby Jindal. T-Paw got swamped in the primaries but I still like him. Bobby Jindal is candy in a bad wrap.

Will shrug off: Rick Perry. The guy has good ideas but is way too old, and not nearly bright enough.

Will ignore: Marco Rubio or Chris Christie. The GOP could as well run a Democrat instead, so may the better donkey win.

Will campaign for the Dem: Jeb Bush. Gillette ad was clear enough – NO MORE BUSH!

Archivarix on January 10, 2013 at 1:17 PM

The voter is not “the client” in the sense that you imply. We live in a representative democracy. One is supposed to vote in the best interests of the nation not for the candidate who promises to give out the most “free stuff.” That often means convincing the client to vote for the best overall candidate and not being a worthless greedy parasite.

I’d explain further but it is a grown up thing, you wouldn’t understand.

Happy Nomad on January 10, 2013 at 1:08 PM

its ok, you can tell that to voters and many will be convinced, voters are not as dumb as you think… anyway the quality of the democracy equals the quality of the voters, never forget that!

nathor on January 10, 2013 at 1:18 PM

if the 5 that ed lists are all we have. then we are truly effed.

don’t despair y’all. a fair wind blows from Wasilla.

renalin on January 10, 2013 at 1:15 PM

From your lips to God’s ears… ;)

Myron Falwell on January 10, 2013 at 1:18 PM

fine, I am a liberation libertarian leaning moderate. not good enough for your “true conservative” minority party?

nathor on January 10, 2013 at 12:32 PM

fixed

nathor on January 10, 2013 at 12:36 PM

You are a subhuman commuist scum and a slave of the state…

mnjg on January 10, 2013 at 1:18 PM

This isn’t the Congress. You can’t revise and extend your remarks to cover up what you said in the past. Filthy worthless liar.

Happy Nomad on January 10, 2013 at 1:10 PM

You’re the one lying, as usual. Put up or shut up. Link to my post.

Dante on January 10, 2013 at 1:18 PM

If anything, this thread gives you some idea of the mountain we have to climb.

Liberals march in lock-step, resolve their differences and vote in blocks on various proposals. They mostly appear on the same page in public.

Republicans? Well, we are still arguing over who in which division amongst us truly represents the Republican Party. We stomp and write like petulant children at the urging of our so-called “leaders”. By the way, how did not voting in the last election works out for all those folks who sat home. Did it advance your parochial interests? Stop the spread of tyranny? Lower your taxes? Decrease abortions? Make the world a safer place?

This is a party of many complex factions that needs to be led by one. We share a set of common principles. Where do we agree and what is the best way to advance our complete interests? Who is the most articulate and explicative voice for our party?

Everyone, and I mean everyone needs to sacrifice something. That’s called negotiation and it’s a lost art in this party. Unless you want to see this party and country relegated to the dust heap of history, I suggest we all reacquaint ourselves with that practice.

By the way, IMVHO if you can’t listen to Marco Rubio and be moved by his story, be inspired by his words, be impressed with his hard work and believe he has many qualities of a good leader- this may not be the party for you.

Stop fighting and start winning. This is too crucial a battle to lose.

Marcus Traianus on January 10, 2013 at 1:18 PM

If the GOP is actually going to offer viable opposition to democrats, the party MUST return to its conservative roots, and stop playing footsie with liberals and progressives.

Pork-Chop on January 10, 2013 at 1:12 PM

I’m tired of GOP “leaders” who act as if governship is akin to a high school election for class president. Boehner et.al. afraid to do much because liberals and progressives may not like them!

I’m beginning to think that my Let It Burn needs to start closer to home with the organization of the GOP. Too many faux conservatives like Christie and Boehner and not enough men and women of principle, character, and integrity.

Happy Nomad on January 10, 2013 at 1:19 PM

so did christie! but he had a love affair with obama on the jersey shore, so now all obama haters cant stand him… grow up!

nathor on January 10, 2013 at 12:23 PM

Are you on drugs? Or just a really bad troll? It’s okay. Most of them are and you are not special.

Why in the world would we want Obama’s booty call to be in charge?

No really? Why?

kim roy on January 10, 2013 at 1:19 PM

what foreign policies? neocon policies or “non-interventionist” policies?

nathor on January 10, 2013 at 12:42 PM

There’s a debate going on, and most people fall squarely between the two.

thebrokenrattle on January 10, 2013 at 1:19 PM

Ed- I think you left out the one person that I feel will be the leading candidate for President in 2016 before the year is out, and that person is Scott Walker. Many people in Wisconsin under-estimated him, and I guess now many on the national level will, too.

The Good Doctor on January 10, 2013 at 1:21 PM

You’re the one lying, as usual. Put up or shut up. Link to my post.

Dante on January 10, 2013 at 1:18 PM

Why don’t you disprove that you called that Marine a chump who was a servant of the politician and not a defender of this nation? You called them chumps for even serving and instead of defending what you said then, you call others liars now. So typical of your type. All mouth and no principle, integrity, or ability to articulate your opinion.

Ciao

Happy Nomad on January 10, 2013 at 1:21 PM

By the way, IMVHO if you can’t listen to Marco Rubio and be moved by his story, be inspired by his words, be impressed with his hard work and believe he has many qualities of a good leader- this may not be the party for you.

Marcus Traianus on January 10, 2013 at 1:18 PM

Then it is not the party for me. I refuse to support the guy who cosponsored SOPA and worked on amnesty terms. He will never wash the stench out.

Archivarix on January 10, 2013 at 1:21 PM

“A GOP senator on the short list to be Mitt Romney’s running mate is applauding President Obama’s move to forego deportations for some illegal immigrants.

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) said the more lenient policy is “welcome news” for those immigrants who will benefit.”

No thanks.

TxAnn56 on January 10, 2013 at 1:22 PM

“Non-interventionist” sounds sooo much prettier than isolationist, doesn’t it? Father Conklin approves.

kingsjester on January 10, 2013 at 1:22 PM

By the way, IMVHO if you can’t listen to Marco Rubio and be moved by his story, be inspired by his words, be impressed with his hard work and believe he has many qualities of a good leader- this may not be the party for you.

Stop fighting and start winning. This is too crucial a battle to lose.

Marcus Traianus on January 10, 2013 at 1:18 PM

But Rubio’s a “squish”, he will “dissapoint”, according to some of the comments on the thread. Better to dream up a perfect “true conservative” in our minds instead of supporting a “good leader”, as you said.

thebrokenrattle on January 10, 2013 at 1:22 PM

You imbecile, not only are you not a conservative, you’re not even a Libertarian. Hell even calling you a moderate is a stretch, more of a moderate Liberal/Blue Dog Democrat than anything else.

SWalker on January 10, 2013 at 12:58 PM

sure…

nathor on January 10, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Marcus Traianus on January 10, 2013 at 1:18 PM

The power of the left is their unity… They follow their leaders to the degree of cult and worship… As long as their leaders give them the welfare checks, or throw them the communist red meat propaganda they will worship them…

Of course we on the right should not follow our leaders in cultish way but we should hold their feet to the fire as they say… However it is very clear that among many on our side side their is nothing and no one can f***ing satsify their absolutism and purism…

mnjg on January 10, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Marcus Traianus on January 10, 2013 at 1:18 PM

+ 100..Nice post..:)

Dire Straits on January 10, 2013 at 1:25 PM

We won’t get anywhere by playing identity politics like the democrats

journeymike on January 10, 2013 at 1:16 PM

This.

Tim_CA on January 10, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Why don’t you disprove that you called that Marine a chump who was a servant of the politician and not a defender of this nation? You called them chumps for even serving and instead of defending what you said then, you call others liars now. So typical of your type. All mouth and no principle, integrity, or ability to articulate your opinion.

Happy Nomad on January 10, 2013 at 1:21 PM

You’re the one making the claim. Now you’re running because you can’t back up your own words?

Dante on January 10, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Why in the world would we want Obama’s booty call to be in charge?

No really? Why?

kim roy on January 10, 2013 at 1:19 PM

because we are looking for popular leaders that can WIN?
but i know some of you prefer to be “true consevatives” and lose, others prefer to be “true conservatives” and live on the illusion that somehow your minority ideology could convince more americans to vote if they they were just really pure.
lol!

nathor on January 10, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Archivarix on January 10, 2013 at 1:21 PM

The statement speaks for itself.

If you can’t overcome your parochial issues and become part of a team, I suggest you find a party that will better represent your interests.

You have two choices of parties that will govern. What has killed the party out of power is contra-intellectual absolutism’s such as your statement.

We have bruised, battered and mutilated Republican candidates by our own statements and actions (or in the case of voting, lack thereof). We have done more damage than our opponents could ever hope for. Where has that gotten us?

If you truly want to become part of a team who advances our country in the opposite direction it is headed today. Then take a long look in the mirror and think what you can do or sacrifice to win.

Marcus Traianus on January 10, 2013 at 1:30 PM

I thought Rick Perry was the most qualified candidate and would make the best President in 2012, and I believe the same will be true in 2016.

Even so, his brand may have been damaged by the pain killer addled debate performances, but perhaps not irretrevably.

In 2016, 2012 will seem like a long time ago…and a few solid debate performances and a better-run campaign could make people forget all about it.

DRayRaven on January 10, 2013 at 1:31 PM

because we are looking for popular leaders that can WIN?

nathor on January 10, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Like Obama…Right?

Lord you are truly the definition of “DumbAss”

Tim_CA on January 10, 2013 at 1:32 PM

By the way, IMVHO if you can’t listen to Marco Rubio and be moved by his story, be inspired by his words, be impressed with his hard work and believe he has many qualities of a good leader- this may not be the party for you.

Marcus Traianus on January 10, 2013 at 1:18 PM

Yeah, about that family history…………

TxAnn56 on January 10, 2013 at 1:32 PM

You are a subhuman commuist scum and a slave of the state…

mnjg on January 10, 2013 at 1:18 PM

and you are a political LOSER! enjoy your DEFEATS and the mocking of the real comunists because they do exist on the other side!

nathor on January 10, 2013 at 1:32 PM

By the way, IMVHO if you can’t listen to Marco Rubio and be moved by his story, be inspired by his words, be impressed with his hard work and believe he has many qualities of a good leader- this may not be the party for you.

Stop fighting and start winning. This is too crucial a battle to lose.

Marcus Traianus on January 10, 2013 at 1:18 PM

So… our only hope of winning in a rigged game is to get behind the Republican version of Obama? That’s so heartwarming… or maybe it’s just the awful case of heartburn I got from reading that.

Rubio is starting to make Britian’s David Cameron look like Rasputin in comparison.

Myron Falwell on January 10, 2013 at 1:33 PM

nathor on January 10, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Put down the pipe, child.

kingsjester on January 10, 2013 at 1:34 PM

I thought Rick Perry was the most qualified candidate and would make the best President in 2012, and I believe the same will be true in 2016.

Even so, his brand may have been damaged by the pain killer addled debate performances, but perhaps not irretrevably.

In 2016, 2012 will seem like a long time ago…and a few solid debate performances and a better-run campaign could make people forget all about it.

DRayRaven on January 10, 2013 at 1:31 PM

A thousand Amen… I blame our side for putting those much importance in the debates…

mnjg on January 10, 2013 at 1:35 PM

I think that this falls into two categories:

1.) Who will be the leader of the opposition
2.) Who will be the leader of the GOP come 2016

They are necessarily the same thing.

You need some leaders out there from the senate that can be out there espousing all the points that drive the conversation in the right direction. I think Rand and Cruz are the best to do that.

Come 2016, you need an experienced Governor (please no house or senators) who can carry on that conversation backed by solid experience. That leans towards Walker/Jindal, and Martinez.

can_con on January 10, 2013 at 1:36 PM

and you are a political LOSER! enjoy your DEFEATS and the mocking of the real comunists because they do exist on the other side!

nathor on January 10, 2013 at 1:32 PM

You are certainly one of these communist scums…

mnjg on January 10, 2013 at 1:36 PM

By the way, IMVHO if you can’t listen to Marco Rubio and be moved by his story, be inspired by his words, be impressed with his hard work and believe he has many qualities of a good leader- this may not be the party for you.

Marcus Traianus on January 10, 2013 at 1:18 PM

i was moved to tears. tears that illegal aliens can never catch a break in this country. thank God for marco polo.

GhoulAid on January 10, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Yeah, about that family history…………

TxAnn56 on January 10, 2013 at 1:32 PM

the Florida Republican’s account embellishes the facts. The documents show that Rubio’s parents came to the United States and were admitted for permanent residence more than two-and-a-half years before Castro’s forces overthrew the Cuban government and took power on New Year’s Day 1959.

The supposed flight of Rubio’s parents has been at the core of the young senator’s political identity

lol…I bought the Rubio story hook, line and sinker….this is an eye-opening link.

thanks!

Tim_CA on January 10, 2013 at 1:37 PM

But Rubio’s a “squish”, he will “dissapoint”, according to some of the comments on the thread. Better to dream up a perfect “true conservative” in our minds instead of supporting a “good leader”, as you said.

thebrokenrattle on January 10, 2013 at 1:22 PM

When is the last time you heard a Republican give a speech such as Rubio’s at the convention? Someone who articulates so well the value of hard work, the realization of dreams, grounding of faith and the importance of American culture?

For me, I have not heard that type of natural oratorical skill since Reagan.

Is he the perfect candidate? Well, no- but who is? Is there perfection walking amongst us unseen?

I prefer someone who largely adheres to our principles and can convincingly articulate our vision. The folks in our party who can do that are few and far between.

Marcus Traianus on January 10, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Can you believe this? Pravda telling Americans to not give up their guns.

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/28-12-2012/123335-americans_guns-0/

JellyToast on January 10, 2013 at 1:39 PM

because we are looking for popular leaders that can WIN?
but i know some of you prefer to be “true consevatives” and lose, others prefer to be “true conservatives” and live on the illusion that somehow your minority ideology could convince more americans to vote if they they were just really pure.
lol!

nathor on January 10, 2013 at 1:29 PM

I advocated Romney because I felt he was at minimum marginally better than Obama.

There’s no way that Christie will ever win a national election.

It would at least be nice, as well, that the candidate at least knows what the word “conservative” means. Christie is in no way, shape or form “conservative” or even borderline “conservative”.

He’s a loud man who likes to yell at unions. While a lot of us find a certain amount of amusement in that, the rest of his ideas are closer to being liberal. He’s fine in a blue state, but federally? Never.

kim roy on January 10, 2013 at 1:40 PM

In June, Florida GOP Senate nominee Marco Rubio staved off foreclosure proceedings on a home he co-owned with another Republican, David Rivera, who is running for the House in South Florida. But the campaign acknowledged Mr. Rubio still carries a pile of debt on two homes, a home equity line of credit, a car loan and more than $150,000 in student loans.

His own personal finances were one of the reasons he wasn’t picked as VP. Sorry, but I don’t have much use for someone who can’t get their own fiscal house in order and wants me to pay for illegal aliens.

TxAnn56 on January 10, 2013 at 1:40 PM

I prefer someone who largely adheres to our principles and can convincingly articulate our vision. The folks in our party who can do that are few and far between.

Marcus Traianus on January 10, 2013 at 1:38 PM

If you want a Jeb Bush clone, then Rubio’s your man.

TxAnn56 on January 10, 2013 at 1:41 PM

When is the last time you heard a Republican give a speech such as Rubio’s at the convention? Someone who articulates so well the value of hard work, the realization of dreams, grounding of faith and the importance of American culture?

For me, I have not heard that type of natural oratorical skill since Reagan.

Is he the perfect candidate? Well, no- but who is? Is there perfection walking amongst us unseen?

I prefer someone who largely adheres to our principles and can convincingly articulate our vision. The folks in our party who can do that are few and far between.

Marcus Traianus on January 10, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Ryan’s speech was more dynamic, more powerful and actually had people at their feet. Rubio was all sizzle, little steak and was disappointing in several ways.

Myron Falwell on January 10, 2013 at 1:43 PM

He’s a loud man who likes to yell at unions.

kim roy on January 10, 2013 at 1:40 PM

…and uses a bucket of KFC Extra-Crispy as a before-meal appetizer.

(damn I love the “Christie’s so fat….” jokes)

Tim_CA on January 10, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Christie? No way – GOP would be dead to me.

Rubio? Okay, but not ideal.

Paul, Jindal, Perry? All good with me.

besser tot als rot on January 10, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Myron Falwell on January 10, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Do you have some compelling facts you’d like to share? Or are you simply another shill without grounding or reason?

Have you actually read drafts or bills that Rubio sponsored as it relates to immigration? Or did you just read something on the internet that was jaded and fallacious?

Perhaps you should just disengage from the debate if there is nothing you can share which is useful?

Marcus Traianus on January 10, 2013 at 1:44 PM

By the way, IMVHO if you can’t listen to Marco Rubio and be moved by his story, be inspired by his words, be impressed with his hard work and believe he has many qualities of a good leader- this may not be the party for you.

Marcus Traianus on January 10, 2013 at 1:18 PM

If someone doesn’t agree with you on one position (Rubio is a good leader), they should leave your party? Who made you in charge?

sauldalinsky on January 10, 2013 at 1:44 PM

I thought Rick Perry was the most qualified candidate and would make the best President in 2012, and I believe the same will be true in 2016.

Even so, his brand may have been damaged by the pain killer addled debate performances, but perhaps not irretrevably.

In 2016, 2012 will seem like a long time ago…and a few solid debate performances and a better-run campaign could make people forget all about it.

DRayRaven on January 10, 2013 at 1:31 PM

AMEN

I firmly believe if he hadn’t had that one debate we would be talking about President-elect Perry.

gophergirl on January 10, 2013 at 1:46 PM

If you want a Jeb Bush clone, then Rubio’s your man.

TxAnn56 on January 10, 2013 at 1:41 PM

I think that’s a bit unfair. E.g., “Reagan too moderate for today’s GOP.” Can’t imagine Rubio saying something that stupid ever, particularly the year that Romney was nominated by the GOP.

besser tot als rot on January 10, 2013 at 1:46 PM

TxAnn56 on January 10, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Can you explain that with facts and comparison which are grounded in reality?

Or should we simply take your informed, learned opinion at face value because you believe it is so?

Who is your ideal candidate and why? Perhaps that would provide a comparative basis?

Marcus Traianus on January 10, 2013 at 1:47 PM

There is nothing more pathetic right now than the party regular’s desperate search for a hip, not-white guy.

If a person represents issues that matter to people, their race/gender/whatever doesn’t matter. Why do so many Republicans insist on acting like liberals?

Moesart on January 10, 2013 at 1:47 PM

I firmly believe if he hadn’t had that one debate we would be talking about President-elect Perry.

gophergirl on January 10, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Don’t forget Romney’s leftist attacks on him about SS in Florida. That was the moment that I lost all respect for Romney and Romney’s principles.

besser tot als rot on January 10, 2013 at 1:48 PM

I’m not convinced that we are going to nominate him. However, you hit on an important point. He’s positioning himself for the job at the expense of all else. That isn’t the actions of a potential leader it is what a potential candidate does. Part of the reason why he doesn’t get my support.

Yep.. Great way to get elected President however.

Illinidiva on January 10, 2013 at 1:49 PM

There is nothing more pathetic right now than the party regular’s desperate search for a hip, not-white guy.

If a person represents issues that matter to people, their race/gender/whatever doesn’t matter. Why do so many Republicans insist on acting like liberals?

Moesart on January 10, 2013 at 1:47 PM

This.

Tim_CA on January 10, 2013 at 1:49 PM

Okay, Rubio–junior senator from….waidaminnit! Jindal–eyeroll. Perry–lol! Paul–lol…wtf!? Christie–face turns red; eyes start bulging; head explodes.

ElectricPhase on January 10, 2013 at 1:50 PM

……and when the chips were down she [Palin] didn’t run and now we have minimum 4 more years of Obama (and he’s unfettered from re-election).

Sorry, in the biggest opportunity to save the country from the Obama disaster she took a pass.

#fail #broken-hearted.

PappyD61 on January 10, 2013 at 1:07 PM

FIFM

ShainS on January 10, 2013 at 1:51 PM

gophergirl on January 10, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Funny thing is (and what most people forget) is that debate was easily his best performance except for that one moment – and that overshadowed everything else.

Spilt milk.

I hope Perry tries again.

DRayRaven on January 10, 2013 at 1:52 PM

There is nothing more pathetic right now than the party regular’s desperate search for a hip, not-white guy.

If a person represents issues that matter to people, their race/gender/whatever doesn’t matter. Why do so many Republicans insist on acting like liberals?

Moesart on January 10, 2013 at 1:47 PM

The simple fact is that a lot of people have been trained by the Democrats, the press, the government run schools, etc. to think about themselves as part of a particular group. That cannot be ignored or pretended away. While I think that this attempt is a stupid “solution” to that problem, it does not mean that the problem does not exist. What I’d like to see is the GOP start educating people on how statist/socialist policies hurt them. And how free market solutions help them. These messages will probably need to be tailored to different groups because of the Democrats’ successful balkanization of much of the country. It is too bad that the out of power party (GOP) had a presidential candidate who pretty much refused to do this (or was incapable).

besser tot als rot on January 10, 2013 at 1:52 PM

If someone doesn’t agree with you on one position (Rubio is a good leader), they should leave your party? Who made you in charge?

sauldalinsky on January 10, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Well now you are being silly.

Did you actually read the OP and my complete response in context?

Rhetorically, you did not.

He actually stated that “it was not the party for me” based on some perceived Rubio views on immigration.

We call that absolutism. Metaphorically, “either he’s out or I am”.

That’s not a basis for honest debate and compromise. It’s petulant, petty and contra-intellectual if you support the party principles and therefore want to win.

We can have an honest debate on real facts and merits. There just does not seem to be much of it in these comments- which is generally why I don’t participate in the banter- besides the obvious trolls and mobies…

Marcus Traianus on January 10, 2013 at 1:54 PM

His speech at the Republican convention last year was both the emotional and political high point of the week for the GOP.

LOL, Rubio. I dare anyone here to quote 5 consecutive words from that dazzling speech.

ddrintn on January 10, 2013 at 1:55 PM

There is nothing more pathetic right now than the party regular’s desperate search for a hip, not-white guy.

Moesart on January 10, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Romney 2016!!!! If at first you don’t succeed, try try again!!!

ddrintn on January 10, 2013 at 1:55 PM

……and when the chips were down she [Palin] didn’t run and now we have minimum 4 more years of Obama (and he’s unfettered from re-election).

Sorry, in the biggest opportunity to save the country from the Obama disaster she took a pass.

#fail #broken-hearted.

PappyD61 on January 10, 2013 at 1:07 PM

FIFM

ShainS on January 10, 2013 at 1:51 PM

I missed this initially because I generally don’t read these insanity riddled rants, but Palin owes us nothing.

We didn’t stand up for her when the media and GOP eviscerated her so why should she continue to be a punching bag? Remember Tucson. Nice support she was given and do I really need a sarc tag for that?

More silliness. Palin continues to do good work in supporting conservative candidates – one of the few out there that bothers to try. We owe her a debt of gratitude, not insane rants.

kim roy on January 10, 2013 at 1:58 PM

Why do so many Republicans insist on acting like liberals?

Moesart on January 10, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Because liberal pandering (to emotions) and manipulation (via the LSM) is (unfortunately) effective?

But you’re absolutely spot on. The way for the Repubs to attract more minorities is to argue for the Sovereignty of the Individual, a truly just (i.e. “individual justice”) merit-based system (and not the false concept of “social justice”), and protection of the minority (including the individual) from Tyranny of the Mob — as did our Founders.

Aside from a couple of leading lights, they’ve failed in general to do so effectively, if at all over the past several decades …

ShainS on January 10, 2013 at 1:58 PM

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