Video: NRA adds 100,000 paid memberships in 18 days

posted at 2:01 pm on January 10, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Surprised? I’m not, after the full-court press that has more closely resembled a witch hunt than a policy debate in the media. The overwhelming unfairness of how gun owners have been vilified in the past three weeks and the aggressiveness of policymakers to demand laws that still can’t get majority support in the wake of the Newtown shooting make this outcome all but inevitable. If one wants to see what a political backlash looks like, keep watching:

The National Rifle Association has gained more than 100,000 new members in the last 18 days, the organization told POLITICO’s Playbook on Thursday.

The number of paid new members jumped from 4.1 million to 4.2 million in that time frame.

“Our goal is to get to 5 million before this debate is over,” the NRA told POLITICO’s Mike Allen. …

“We are willing to talk to policymakers about any reasonable proposals and plans,” an NRA official said in the Playbook report, regarding the upcoming meeting with Biden. “However, the NRA is hearing not just from Beltway elites and the chattering class, but real Americans all over the country that are hoping the NRA is not going to compromise on any of the principles of the Second Amendment, nor are we going to support banning guns. But we’re willing to listen.”

Politico had earlier reported low expectations for the NRA-Joe Biden tête-a-tête, but perhaps this might drive them even lower:

Vice President Joe Biden and the NRA are sitting down Thursday morning to talk gun control. Up next for a talk: Wal-Mart.

But don’t be fooled that the high-profile meetings are going to get much done.

The National Rifle Association doesn’t want new gun laws. And Wal-Mart sells a lot of guns, and has a lot of gun owners for customers, so the retail giant doesn’t want to look too close to the White House’s anti-gun push either, one source familiar with the company’s stance said.

“Gun sales are going through the roof after the shooting. It’s one of the fastest-selling items right now,” the source said. Wal-Mart wants to be helpful to the White House, but “when it contradicts sales, that’s where it stops.”

Wal-Mart spokesman David Tovar disputed the source and his claim. “We have been and continue to be very engaged in the discussions as the administration and Congress work toward a consensus on the right path forward,” Tovar said. “We are prepared to comply with whatever the law says.”

The NRA publicly has committed to engaging policymakers on reasonable proposals.  When the debate becomes more reasonable and less hysterical and demagogic, the NRA will be easy to find.  They’ll be the group that keeps getting more popular with each demand for gun grabs.

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NRA better fight these hacks.

Stand strong, NRA. Give no quarter. Don’t give on the leftists’ “reasonable” limitations.

freedomfirst on January 10, 2013 at 2:03 PM

I’m convinced that Feinstein and most other liberals own a lot of gun manufacturer stock.

gwelf on January 10, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Reported by Megyn Kelly that Biden is giving his recommendations to O on Tuesday.

You can’t tell me that his conclusions aren’t being pulled out of some D drawer from 20 years ago just like the Ocare and the Stimulus Bill.

This is but a dog and pony show.

CoffeeLover on January 10, 2013 at 2:05 PM

No to registration: owners or their guns.
No to taxes.
No to required instruction.

Govt should not know what you own. Do they track your kitchen knives?

freedomfirst on January 10, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Forget joining the NRA (Come on, they support Harry Reid) demand your congressman push for this instead. Time for a Mandatory Federal Firearms Law, Enter the Affordable Firearms Act.

SWalker on January 10, 2013 at 2:06 PM

“We are willing to talk to policymakers about any reasonable proposals and plans,”

Idiots.

Anyone who treats anyone in this criminal administration as if they have any good faith has no business representing anyone. It’s been 4 years of Barky and his junta showing that they are liars who operate in bad faith all of the time about everything. Talking to Barky or any of his toadies is no different than talking to arabs. A totally worthless exercise in futility, at best, and only done by one too dim to understand that they don’t “negotiate” like normal Westerners.

I would join the NRA but they are ready to give away the store just like the cowards in the GOP, who have been meeting and talking with Barky and his junta all these years and caving on every single thing that came up while never bothering to attack the criminals for their many serious crimes against America and Americans.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 10, 2013 at 2:06 PM

4.2 million NRA members. Approx. 50 million gun owners in the US.

The NRA has a posse.

Robert_Paulson on January 10, 2013 at 2:09 PM

I encourage everyone to join the NRA ($25.00) even if you don’t
have the gun. Increasing membership will help them toe the line.

Again, our forefathers did not author the 2nd amendment so we
could shoot a turkey for dinner. The amendment is to protect
citizens against a corrupt government.

Amjean on January 10, 2013 at 2:09 PM

“We are willing to talk to policymakers about any reasonable proposals and plans,” an NRA official said

No. There is no talking any more on the matter. Oligula’s and the liberals’ concept of conversation is, “You shut up, I’ll talk, and you obey.”

No–no compromise any more, no more talk. The discussion is over. If liberals acted in good faith, I’d be less stubborn. But their dogged intransigence now has my heels dug in.

And if the trolls don’t like that, I ask if the letters ‘TFB’ mean anything to you.

Liam on January 10, 2013 at 2:09 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 10, 2013 at 2:06 PM

+100

ShainS on January 10, 2013 at 2:09 PM

The NRA the 2nd Amendment has a posse.

Robert_Paulson on January 10, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Reported by Megyn Kelly that Biden is giving his recommendations to O on Tuesday.

CoffeeLover on January 10, 2013 at 2:05 PM

…written on the back of a cocktail napkin in crayon.

Chuck Schick on January 10, 2013 at 2:11 PM

That’s all fine and dandy, but where this is going to be lost is on the State level. Living in CT, we are at Ground Zero and unless NRA and similar groups invest a boatload of resources here, all the happy national talk isn’t going to stop the ninnies in our state house from screwing the law abiding in this state. They are busily prepping the battlefield, and now’s the time that “our side” needs to get the message out that we aren’t opposed to “safety measures,” but what the gun control side is proposing is nothing of the kind.

Gun owners need to get the message out that we are not the problem; we are the solution. We can help make schools and the community safer. But, all we’re hearing is that the “solution” is ban ban ban.

While it’s nice to hear the NRA get more members and it’s nice for the industry that people are buying an insane amount of stuff that they’ll never use, it’s not the right way to address this for the upcoming legislative fights.

FiveG on January 10, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Boycott the azzes at Costco and Wal-Mart.

Costco is now a heaven for welfare and food cards.

The old and dead man from Wal-Mart turns in his grave at what his progeny have become. May they go to Hades, the capitalist fools.

The NRA supported Harry Reid for senator. Now he sh*ts onto their heads.

Schadenfreude on January 10, 2013 at 2:13 PM

The NRA supported Reid’s re-election for senator.

Schadenfreude on January 10, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Reported by Megyn Kelly that Biden is giving his recommendations to O on Tuesday.

CoffeeLover on January 10, 2013 at 2:05 PM

“Joe, I already know. I’m the president, you fool” — Emperor of the World

Schadenfreude on January 10, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Govt should not know what you own. Do they track your kitchen knives?

freedomfirst on January 10, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Al Sharpton wants them to.

Schadenfreude on January 10, 2013 at 2:16 PM

The NRA supported Reid’s re-election for senator.

That’s nice. You got an alternative to the NRA that can accomplish anything?

FiveG on January 10, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Happy to say that I was one of those new members. I’ve always owned guns, but never felt the urge to “join” a movement… until now.

It’s like $30 guys. Do it. These guys aren’t perfect (no one is), but they’re fighting the good fight.

Sugar Land on January 10, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Why does the NRA say such stupid things? There is nothing to discuss.

The right to bear arms shall not be infringed.

You don’t need to explain anything to anyone to excercise a right.

I can have large magazines because I want them and no one has any power to infringe upon my right to have them. No explanation needed.

ROCnPhilly on January 10, 2013 at 2:17 PM

The NRA supported Reid’s re-election for senator.

Schadenfreude on January 10, 2013 at 2:13 PM

That’s because he lied his ass off and pretended to be a pro-gun advocate(he even slipped that provision into Obamacare as a show of good will) so he could get reelected. So did a lot of Dems, including Obama. Now that they’re safely back in office and think they have a tragedy they can exploit(the jury’s still out on that), it’s no holds barred on the 2nd Amendment.

Doughboy on January 10, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Again, our forefathers did not author the 2nd amendment so we could shoot a turkey for dinner. The amendment is to protect citizens against a corrupt government.

Amjean on January 10, 2013 at 2:09 PM

My God, you people are just aching for the opportunity to start shooting cops and National Guardsmen. Question: In your feverish fantasies of yours, what’s the endgame? Do you keep shooting until all law enforcement officers are dead? If your children survive these shootouts you dream of, what kind of country would they grow up in? Will it still be a free country, or will America be a land of armed camps?

Drew Lowell on January 10, 2013 at 2:19 PM

FiveG on January 10, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Some mentioned alternative, above.

I never join any club which wants me, like Groucho Marx.

You are free to join any.

Relax

Schadenfreude on January 10, 2013 at 2:20 PM

It’s like $30 guys. Do it. These guys aren’t perfect (no one is), but they’re fighting the good fight.

Sugar Land on January 10, 2013 at 2:17 PM

I joined last year when they were running a special on memberships, and got a free range bag.

Costs less than my SBE membership.

CurtZHP on January 10, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Doughboy on January 10, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Doesn’t excuse the NRA.

Schadenfreude on January 10, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Low Drewell on January 10, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Scared of boomsticks.

CurtZHP on January 10, 2013 at 2:21 PM

That’s nice. You got an alternative to the NRA that can accomplish anything?

FiveG on January 10, 2013 at 2:17 PM

There is one, actually, courtesy of another Hotarian

gunowners.org

I know they exist, and wish to look deeper at them for I make an endorsement.

Groups don’t make accomplishments, really. They’re a collection, often subject to politics. When it comes to brass tacks, individuals no matter how loosely-connected are all the difference.

Just some ideas, if you will. :)

Liam on January 10, 2013 at 2:22 PM

I hope the NRA stands strong.

I was a little surprised to read a publicity-seeing SEAL’s comments recently that taking a hard line on this is stupid and that gun owners have to compromise otherwise they will lose big time. Only a little surprised though given the sheer amount of questionable bilge spewing out of former SEALs in the form of reality tv shows, books, movies, and media consulting gigs.

Seriously.

The higher moral ground here is the 2nd Amendment and the Federalist papers.

CorporatePiggy on January 10, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Advocates need to argue what the 2nd is and stands for. It has nothing to do with hunting.

Schadenfreude on January 10, 2013 at 2:22 PM

gwelf on January 10, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Along with the NRA representing the gun industry. If the Feds can convince the ammo and gun manufacturers that they will be their best customers, the companies will turn on us, the gun owners. In the last nine months, the Feds have gobbled up what, 1.5 billion rounds? Hmmmm.

ghostwalker1 on January 10, 2013 at 2:23 PM

4.2 million NRA members. Approx. 50 million gun owners in the US.

The NRA has a posse.

Robert_Paulson on January 10, 2013 at 2:09 PM

50 million armed people would be by far the largest armed force in the world.

Rixon on January 10, 2013 at 2:24 PM

Smoke and mirrors.

The 0bama regime has no intention of negotiating anything, nor passing legislation.

Our constitutional rights will be stripped through executive order, as befits the dictatorial fascist government we’re saddled with.

Rebar on January 10, 2013 at 2:25 PM

My God, you people are just aching for the opportunity to start shooting cops and National Guardsmen. Question: In your feverish fantasies of yours, what’s the endgame? Do you keep shooting until all law enforcement officers are dead? If your children survive these shootouts you dream of, what kind of country would they grow up in? Will it still be a free country, or will America be a land of armed camps?

Drew Lowell on January 10, 2013 at 2:19 PM

You are looking at it the wrong way. The ultimate purpose of the 2nd Amendment is so that we can fight a tyrannical government. It’s purpose, rather, is to keep the government from even going there. “Peace through strength”

SPCOlympics on January 10, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Blah I meant:

You are looking at it the wrong way. The ultimate purpose of the 2nd Amendment ISN’T so that we can fight a tyrannical government. Its purpose, rather, is to keep the government from even going there. “Peace through strength”

SPCOlympics on January 10, 2013 at 2:26 PM

NRA has 100,000 new members? This is what Obama says…”I won”…

100,000 doesn’t make up for the win…nor do they really care about 100,000, they will just make sure that wherever the 100,000 live, that representative will represent them…but California, New York, Florida, Oregon, Washington, Massachusetts, what do they care about the NRA, dems won’t be voted out…after all, the counter to that is minorities, children, health care, abortion, women rights, Hollywood, Universities, etc.

right2bright on January 10, 2013 at 2:27 PM

The Second Amendment is about the citizenry being armed enough to break the backs of those who would put us in chains.

If the NRA wishes to discuss proposals and plans, they should present to the vice president a timeline for the removal of all federal gun restrictions.

And If the administration plans to stick to being a responsible Constitutionally-based government, they should be more than happy to go along.

ROCnPhilly on January 10, 2013 at 2:28 PM

So what is the regime doing to stop the availability of guns and bullets for drug dealers, thugs, burglers, robbers, cayotes, pimps, bangers, baby daddies…..you know the people for whom killing is a lifestyle choice ? THESE are the actual killers on our streets , committing crimes with guns , every day, terrorizing businesses and neighborhoods .
Or are they exempt because they are Obama’s base ?

burrata on January 10, 2013 at 2:29 PM

I’m convinced that Feinstein and most other liberals own a lot of gun manufacturer stock.

gwelf on January 10, 2013 at 2:04 PM

I used to own Smith & Wesson. Sold it in December because of the tax cliff – and lost money despite their record sales and profits.

dentarthurdent on January 10, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Will it still be a free country, or will America be a land of armed camps?

Drew Lowell on January 10, 2013 at 2:19 PM

That is answered by the people elected…do they want us in armed camps or be free?
The 2nd amendmen: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

So, don’t “infringe” and we are free, infringe and you are putting us in armed camps, obviously the ones who are “infringing” are the ones armed…right??

right2bright on January 10, 2013 at 2:31 PM

I am not an NRA member but have been in the past. I checked their site and the cost is 25$ and there is a gift as well.

https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp?campaignid=bonusgiftwy&EK=Y3ARPPBD&pubID=272.7&hid=20481237

CW on January 10, 2013 at 2:32 PM

50 million armed people would be by far the largest armed force in the world.

Rixon on January 10, 2013 at 2:24 PM

And this handily illustrates the other purpose of the Second Amendment, to allow the general population to supplement our standing army. There’s a very good reason why we’ve never seen a full scale military invasion since 1812.

CurtZHP on January 10, 2013 at 2:33 PM

Bought my first firearm (a shotgun) last September.

Joined the NRA the other day.

Don’t tread on me.

Bruno Strozek on January 10, 2013 at 2:33 PM

The NRA supported Reid’s re-election for senator.
Schadenfreude on January 10, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Who is a democrat that added pro-gun legislation to Obamacare of all things. Pretty damn impressive for a Special Interest Group.

MechanicalBill on January 10, 2013 at 2:33 PM

Screw it. If the NRA is ‘willing to talk’, it no longer represents me. I’m all for the NRA, I assure. But I’m done with talking to liberals on this issue. I contact I have with them to show them as the fools and angry covetous people that they are.

Long as the Second remains, I will stick to it. No compromise, and no more ‘talk’.

Liam on January 10, 2013 at 2:34 PM

50 million armed people would be by far the largest armed force in the world.

Rixon on January 10, 2013 at 2:24 PM

And enough to turn any election…but they didn’t…they still stood by Harry Reid, Feinstein, Pelosi, etc…so it shows, the pen is mightier than the sword/gun…the dems and gun control won the last election…

right2bright on January 10, 2013 at 2:35 PM

50 million armed people would be by far the largest armed force in the world.

Rixon on January 10, 2013 at 2:24 PM

When you think that there’s over 300 million privately owned firearms, that probably equates to alot more than 50 million households.

TxAnn56 on January 10, 2013 at 2:35 PM

Drew Lowell on January 10, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Speaking of a warped and sick mind a person paraphrases what the founders said about the 2nd amendment and you immediately conclude they want to kill policemen and military members.

chemman on January 10, 2013 at 2:36 PM

So what is the regime doing to stop the availability of guns and bullets for drug dealers, thugs, burglers, robbers, cayotes, pimps, bangers, baby daddies…..you know the people for whom killing is a lifestyle choice ? THESE are the actual killers on our streets , committing crimes with guns , every day, terrorizing businesses and neighborhoods .
Or are they exempt because they are Obama’s base ?

burrata on January 10, 2013 at 2:29 PM

Criminals have civil rights and due-process matters going for them. The law-abiding do not.

Liam on January 10, 2013 at 2:37 PM

What about membership in other major 2nd Amendment advocacy groups? The NRA isn’t the only game in town, just the most well known and, perhaps, influential.

NotCoach on January 10, 2013 at 2:37 PM

And enough to turn any election…but they didn’t…they still stood by Harry Reid, Feinstein, Pelosi, etc…so it shows, the pen is mightier than the sword/gun…the dems and gun control won the last election…

They bought the last election with checks they can’t cash. You can get a good majority of welfare recipients to vote for more free stuff but even they own guns.

MechanicalBill on January 10, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Who is a democrat that added pro-gun legislation to Obamacare of all things. Pretty damn impressive for a Special Interest Group.

MechanicalBill on January 10, 2013 at 2:33 PM

He gave up a short term solution, for long term rule…long after that little sentence or two is removed, Reid’s influence will be felt.

You are the reason people like Reid get elected, you think in periods of months, or maybe even a year or two…Reid will enact acts that will affect us for decades…and that sentence you so are thrilled about, with a stroke of an executive order pen will be removed, along with Reid’s blessing…Pretty damn impressive, as you say…you were snookered, bought, and used.

right2bright on January 10, 2013 at 2:38 PM

They bought the last election with checks they can’t cash. You can get a good majority of welfare recipients to vote for more free stuff but even they own guns.

MechanicalBill on January 10, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Ha, you think they will take to the streets against their benefactors?? They won’t give up their guns, no one has them registered…and yes they will cash them, on the backs of you and your kids…long after they have made their millions, lived their lavish life, and retired in prosperity.

right2bright on January 10, 2013 at 2:40 PM

“We are willing to talk to policymakers about any reasonable proposals and plans,”

Idiots.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 10, 2013 at 2:06 PM

+1

(I’ll be saving my annual membership fee – that’s $25 I can spend on ammo.)

Tim_CA on January 10, 2013 at 2:40 PM

When you think that there’s over 300 million privately owned firearms, that probably equates to alot more than 50 million households.

TxAnn56 on January 10, 2013 at 2:35 PM

I would have rather had 300 million pens in the hands of conservative, than 300 million guns that may soon me “illegal”…

right2bright on January 10, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Personally, I can’t wait til the papers who printed lists of gun owners, figure out the criminals are hitting every house, not on the list!

As to the NRA, in the past, they’ve been ready to cave for the sake of perceived access. Just like the Congressional rinos have to learn, reaching across the aisle serves no purpose, but to prolong the fight and give the Obama Enemy media a chance to spin things against you.

The people of America are waiting to hear a reasoned & logical way to attack this problem. In lack there of, you are not likely to make them move, without a cogent, effective and reasoned policy, dealing with the actual problems at hand, rather than the manufactured crisis, created by the TRAITOR-in-chief & his band of renowned. The Butcher of Benghazi knows very well that he has to now figure out a way to get the Military to shoot at you. Get ready!

http://www.paratisiusa.blogspot.com

God Bless America!

paratisi on January 10, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Just because there’s a backlash doesn’t mean the anti-gun media narrative isn’t effective on net.

theperfecteconomist on January 10, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Drew Lowell on January 10, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Is that the best you can do? An emotional hissy fit against imagined phantasms?

You stealers of liberty lost the argument years ago on guns, so that is why we have this giant emotional push now from your side. If you can’t win the debate, impose tyranny.

NotCoach on January 10, 2013 at 2:43 PM

And enough to turn any election…but they didn’t…

right2bright on January 10, 2013 at 2:35 PM

To get gun rights supporters on side it might have been useful to have run a Republican who hadn’t passed an Assault Weapons Ban like Romney did.

sharrukin on January 10, 2013 at 2:44 PM

you were snookered, bought, and used.

right2bright on January 10, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Indeed, how sad.

Reid already expressed himself in full support of Obama’s anti gun initiatives.

Schadenfreude on January 10, 2013 at 2:45 PM

The people of America are waiting to hear a reasoned & logical way to attack this problem.

paratisi on January 10, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Liberals are unreasonable and illogical. They have made up their minds and that’s the end of it.

No more discussion with them. If the NRA bows to Biden, I won’t renew my membership as I wish to. I’m waiting on the NRA.

There are always other options.

Liam on January 10, 2013 at 2:45 PM

You are the reason people like Reid get elected, you think in periods of months, or maybe even a year or two…Reid will enact acts that will affect us for decades…and that sentence you so are thrilled about, with a stroke of an executive order pen will be removed, along with Reid’s blessing…Pretty damn impressive, as you say…you were snookered, bought, and used.
right2bright on January 10, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Don’t tell me what I am. You don’t know me. So knock off the BS. I don’t support Reid nor do I even live in Nevada. But the NRA does what it thinks is best for gun owners. Not what is best for democrats or republicans. Having the senate majority leader playing ball is better than supporting only candidates in the minority or being dismissed as a partisan group. Use your brain before slapping at the keyboard.

MechanicalBill on January 10, 2013 at 2:46 PM

It seems that Wyoming is dealing with the feds and their gun gurb!
Good for you Wyoming!

http://k2radio.com/wyoming-lawmakers-propose-gun-protection-legislation/
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letget on January 10, 2013 at 2:47 PM

I joined in November – right after the election – and still haven’t gotten my freebies or magazine subscription (high capacity I hope…) – apprarently because of the overload.

The NRA isn’t perfect, but neither is any other organization. I might also join Gun Owners of America (even though their web site is a mess). I figure the more numbers we put behind these organizations, and others like them, the better chance they have to steer the politics in the right direction.

dentarthurdent on January 10, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Not understanding the NRA hate. So is the argument that the NRA should have told Joe Biden to go eat paste (or, more properly, “keep eating paste.”)?

There’s a political component to this, and politically the NRA has to engage in this theater even though we all know the recommendations were written long before this week. Because if the NRA tells the Administration to go get soaked, that hands the antis a nice talking point about how unreasonable the NRA is that they didn’t want to be a part of the solution. How does that benefit 2A rights?

We know this task force is a task farce, and next week look for the NRA to start talking about how unreasonably Joe Biden & co. were acting in these supposed talks. That, I think, does more to show that the NRA is a good faith actor looking for reasonable and effective solutions than just pouting in the corner would.

JohnTant on January 10, 2013 at 2:49 PM

If you can’t win the debate, impose tyranny.

NotCoach on January 10, 2013 at 2:43 PM

I dare the biggest advocates to try, in person.

I’d love Michael Moore and Reid take point, come to my door and demand my guns. In person!

~derisive snort~

Liberals always and invariably demand someone else put his future on the line for the libs’ puerile petulance.

Liam on January 10, 2013 at 2:50 PM

The link doesn’t go through….for Mechanical Bill and co…just 7 hours ago:

Washington (CNN) – A staunch supporter of gun rights for years, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid may be changing his position on the contentious issue in the aftermath of the school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut.

The nation’s top Democrat in Congress has faced scrutiny in recent weeks for his close ties with the National Rifle Association. On December 30, the Washington Post reported that Reid slipped a provision into the 2010 national health care law that restricts the government from collecting data on gun ownership.

A Democratic source close to the passage of the landmark legislation said the last-minute provision was aimed at avoiding any opposition from the NRA that could have scuttled the entire bill.

“This is what was viewed as a relatively benign way to make sure the NRA didn’t get involved with this,” the Democratic source told CNN.

However an adviser to Reid, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said Reid’s feelings on gun control have changed since President Barack Obama signed health care reform into law.

“He’s in a different place than he was in 2010,” the adviser told CNN.

Schadenfreude on January 10, 2013 at 2:50 PM

Stop the war against women’s guns!

Don L on January 10, 2013 at 2:50 PM

Use your brain before slapping at the keyboard.

MechanicalBill on January 10, 2013 at 2:46 PM

He did. Link doesn’t go through, but I sent you the quote, above.

Schadenfreude on January 10, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Ha, you think they will take to the streets against their benefactors?? They won’t give up their guns, no one has them registered…and yes they will cash them, on the backs of you and your kids…long after they have made their millions, lived their lavish life, and retired in prosperity.

I hope you are just trolling. They will vote their pocketbook. The last election just meant more money in their pocketbook is from government. But they will see any gun grab as stealing what they hold dear. A bigger midterm reversal than Clinton suffered.

MechanicalBill on January 10, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Not understanding the NRA hate. So is the argument that the NRA should have told Joe Biden to go eat paste (or, more properly, “keep eating paste.”)?

Yes

There’s a political component to this, and politically the NRA has to engage in this theater

JohnTant on January 10, 2013 at 2:49 PM

no they don’t.

They need to rise above “theater”

Tim_CA on January 10, 2013 at 2:52 PM

That line in Obama’care’ can be removed as easily as it was inserted, via any inclusion, in any late night bill.

Schadenfreude on January 10, 2013 at 2:53 PM

My God, you people are just aching for the opportunity to start shooting cops and National Guardsmen. Question: In your feverish fantasies of yours, what’s the endgame? Do you keep shooting until all law enforcement officers are dead? If your children survive these shootouts you dream of, what kind of country would they grow up in? Will it still be a free country, or will America be a land of armed camps?

Drew Lowell on January 10, 2013 at 2:19 PM

What are you talking about? The end game of having the weapons to ensure one’s continued freedom is: continued freedom. Nobody wants to shoot an officer of the law. I don’t think America would be a bunch of armed camps. But it has happened many times that once people are prevented the means to defend their rights, those people find themselves in a different kind of camp.

And remember this: the right to free speech that liberals claim to hold so dear as been won and secured with weapons. When the weapons go, so does the free speech.

ROCnPhilly on January 10, 2013 at 2:53 PM

If anyone wants to join the NRA, feel free.

But you can try the Gun Owners of America or check to see if your state has an independent organization like the Texas State Rifle Association.

catmman on January 10, 2013 at 2:53 PM

this is good…but this is what i posted late last night.

the resources of the Left (as always) dwarf the right. The willingness of barry to use the power of his office wrt Wal-Mart, etc. is well known

We will be lucky to get out of this with gun show regulations, and the AWB…and record keeping for all gun sales

John Lott isn’t nearly in the optimistic camp

The resources for these organizations will swamp those of the NRA. The studies that they fund and the ads that they finance will also be much more openly received by the media. Bringing these foundations together may be the biggest advance towards gun control in my lifetime. Imagine the resourcees of 50 Joyce Foundations.

but, then of course, Lott knows obama

John Lott: And that is when he made the statement about believe that people shouldn’t be able to own guns, I said, “Well, maybe we can get together for lunch and we can talk about it.”

John Lott: And because I knew he was also supportive of the Chicago suit against the gun makers.

John Lott: He just grimaced and turned around and walked away and that was the end of the conversation. And that’s the way many conversations went that I had with him and I believe just in general he really disliked talking to people that he regarded as conservatives.

Dave Bose: He didn’t even say goodbye? He just grimaced and turned around?

John Lott: Right.

Dave Bose: Or, did he say no thanks?

John Lott: No, he just turned around and walked away.

Dave Bose: Not even the usually polite, “Yeah, we’ll do that sometime?”

John Lott: No. I mean, and there were cases in later years where I would reach out to shake his hand and he would just refuse my hand.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2116714/posts

r keller on January 10, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Drew Lowell on January 10, 2013 at 2:19 PM

None of us aching to shoot anyone. Nice try.

stvnscott on January 10, 2013 at 2:54 PM

There’s a political component to this, and politically the NRA has to engage in this theater

JohnTant on January 10, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Certainly – their job is to inform all what the 2nd stands for, starting with Obama, Biden and the media, on-going, with NO exceptions.

Schadenfreude on January 10, 2013 at 2:54 PM

He did. Link doesn’t go through, but I sent you the quote, above.
Schadenfreude on January 10, 2013 at 2:51 PM

You aren’t following me. I’m not defending Reid. I’m defending the NRA. They must deal with the army they have rather than the one they want.

MechanicalBill on January 10, 2013 at 2:54 PM

Drew Lowell on January 10, 2013 at 2:19 PM

The straw is strong in this one.

CW on January 10, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Drew Lowell on January 10, 2013 at 2:19 PM

It’s the typical leftist argument “you want blood, eh?” Ignore them, always. They wish you dead, in Alinsky-style, all 25 million of you.

Schadenfreude on January 10, 2013 at 2:55 PM

They need to rise above “theater”

Tim_CA on January 10, 2013 at 2:52 PM

All the world’s a stage.

Appearance often drives reality.

Having the NRA sulk makes the NRA appear unreasonable. Having the NRA act in good faith and then when the prepackaged recommendations are released talk about how the Biden Farce was a waste of time makes the antis look unreasonable.

Right now this is a political fight, and you have to use political methods to fight it. Yes, that means keeping up at least the appearance of engagement.

JohnTant on January 10, 2013 at 2:56 PM

MechanicalBill on January 10, 2013 at 2:54 PM

I follow you just fine. They supportd a crapweasel. He is sh*tting onto their heads.

Schadenfreude on January 10, 2013 at 2:57 PM

Don’t tell me what I am. You don’t know me. So knock off the BS. I don’t support Reid nor do I even live in Nevada. But the NRA does what it thinks is best for gun owners. Not what is best for democrats or republicans. Having the senate majority leader playing ball is better than supporting only candidates in the minority or being dismissed as a partisan group. Use your brain before slapping at the keyboard.

MechanicalBill on January 10, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Gun owners know what works for them, as individuals.

Reid does NOT ‘play ball’ even in the these times. Fact is, there is no ball to be played.

If that’s not your view, that’s your problem. I have made my decision the same way you have made yours. I’m done with lectures from people like you; people like you are the last I would want for backup in a dangerous situation.

You’re the type who would hang a friend out to dry to save your own skin.

Liam on January 10, 2013 at 2:58 PM

Don’t tell me what I am. You don’t know me. So knock off the BS. I don’t support Reid nor do I even live in Nevada. But the NRA does what it thinks is best for gun owners. Not what is best for democrats or republicans. Having the senate majority leader playing ball is better than supporting only candidates in the minority or being dismissed as a partisan group. Use your brain before slapping at the keyboard.

MechanicalBill on January 10, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Calm down, what I should have stated, instead of “reason” is “reasoning”(although I am probably not that off base)…you were crowing about how impressive Reid was by including a sentence that can be removed by a stroke of the pen…and the NRA (and you) were duped into thinking that supporting a dem was best…and pal, before slapping the keyboard, playing ball with the Senate majority leader is not such a good idea when he doesn’t share the ball, he is the only one who shoots…get it? You and the NRA were duped, slam-dunked, you are in wonder of a sentence that won’t exist in 6 months…while having a Senator that will eviscerate the 2nd amendment for the next 4 years…yeah, great trade off…great ball game.

Having the senate majority leader playing ball

However an adviser to Reid, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said Reid’s feelings on gun control have changed since President Barack Obama signed health care reform into law.

“He’s in a different place than he was in 2010,” the adviser told CNN.

Hows that brilliant strategy working out??

right2bright on January 10, 2013 at 2:58 PM

JohnTant on January 10, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Goebbels had another orgasm, in his grave. He knows that Obama/Biden are his perfect pupils. They don’t “negotiate”, they dictate.

Schadenfreude on January 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM

This is a FYI from NRA’ILA team on businesses, actors, bhopress, etc. that are anti-guns! It might surprise you on the businesses? A long list but worth reading and passing on?

http://patriotaction.net/group/iresistguncontrol/forum/topic/show?id=2600775:Topic:6051769&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_topic
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letget on January 10, 2013 at 3:04 PM

All the world’s a stage.

No…it’s really not. A “stage doesn’t go to work, pay my bills, or raise my family…

Only self-important morons need a stage.

Having the NRA sulk makes the NRA appear unreasonable.

I have no idea what this means…?

Right now the NRA looks weak and concillatory.

Right now this is a political fight, and you have to use political methods to fight it.

JohnTant on January 10, 2013 at 2:56 PM

What political fight – This is a guarenteed right given to us by the 2nd ammendment…period….argument over.

Tim_CA on January 10, 2013 at 3:04 PM

Calm down, what I should have stated, instead of “reason” is “reasoning”(although I am probably not that off base)…you were crowing about how impressive Reid was by including a sentence that can be removed by a stroke of the pen…and the NRA (and you) were duped into thinking that supporting a dem was best…and pal, before slapping the keyboard, playing ball with the Senate majority leader is not such a good idea when he doesn’t share the ball, he is the only one who shoots…get it? You and the NRA were duped, slam-dunked, you are in wonder of a sentence that won’t exist in 6 months…while having a Senator that will eviscerate the 2nd amendment for the next 4 years…yeah, great trade off…great ball game.

Don’t insult me and still take me out of context and then pretend you are in a position to tell those you insult to “calm down”. Knock off the trolling. The credit was obviously to the NRA. They are better at chess than you are at checkers. If you didn’t get that point then it’s only because you didn’t want to.

MechanicalBill on January 10, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Honest men do not need theatre. Theatre only makes it easier for the weasels and other vermin to cloud the issues.

Have you learned nothing from discussing subjects here? When the rule of law is clear and it takes an amendment to change that rule of law, then the discussion only serves to keep the otherwise dead subject alive.

Until the 2/3 of the House and Senate and 3/4 of the states amend the U.S. Constitution, the bottom line, without explanation, is ” the citizen’s right to bear arms shall not be infringed. “

ROCnPhilly on January 10, 2013 at 3:05 PM

GOF Sues ATF to Produce Documents

Gun Owners Foundation today filed suit in the U.S. District Court for D.C. to compel the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) to produce thousands of documents related to Operation Fast & Furious.

Depending upon the outcome of this case, Justice Department officials could spend time in jail.

Last year, GOF submitted a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) which — not surprisingly — has virtually been ignored by the ATF. Although the agency has told GOF several times that it would comply with the FOIA request, the ATF has violated each and every one of its self-imposed deadlines.

On March 16, 2011, Congressman Darrell Issa, Chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, sent a letter to ATF requiring production of records related to their involvement in Operation Fast & Furious — where thousands of firearms were smuggled from the United States to Mexico.

On April 21, 2011, Gun Owners Foundation submitted its own FOIA request to the ATF, to which the ATF has responded in various ways. The agency has sometimes ignored our requests entirely. Several times, ATF has promised (but failed) to produce information by a certain date. And at least once, the ATF suggested we were mistaken, claiming that they had already given us the requested information — only to follow up that communication with a new promise and new deadline for producing the requested documents.

If the court finds in favor of the GOF complaint, the ATF will have to produce the requested documents or face “contempt of court” charges. Given that media reports indicate the House of Representatives may decline to press contempt charges, Gun Owners Foundation remains committed to pressing this case until justice is realized.

Please help Gun Owners Foundation to continue doing this important work.
You may contribute to GOF by clicking here

Thank you.

gunowners.org

44Magnum on January 10, 2013 at 3:06 PM

A must read…here

right2bright on January 10, 2013 at 3:07 PM

As Senate majority leader, Reid has great influence to speed or slow the consideration of legislation on Capitol Hill.

In the aftermath of the movie theater massacre in Aurora, Colorado, Reid told reporters that “with the schedule we have, we’re not going to get into a debate on gun control.”

But in the days after the shooting in Newtown, Reid’s posture changed. “We need to accept the reality that we are not doing enough to protect our citizens,” Reid said on the Senate floor.

Schadenfreude on January 10, 2013 at 3:08 PM

(I’ll be saving my annual membership fee – that’s $25 I can spend on ammo The 2013 0bama middle class tax increase.)

Tim_CA on January 10, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Fixed.

UltimateBob on January 10, 2013 at 3:09 PM

Reid’s posture changed. “We need to accept the reality that we are not doing enough to protect our citizens,” Reid said on the Senate floor.

Schadenfreude on January 10, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Then he needs to resign.

Liam on January 10, 2013 at 3:09 PM

Reid aggressively courted the support of gun enthusiasts in a close battle for re-election in 2010. One week after the president signed the health care bill, Reid invited the NRA’s executive vice president, Wayne LaPierre, to the opening of a new gun range in Nevada.

At the event, LaPierre praised Reid’s work on gun rights.

“I also want to thank you for your support every day at the federal level for the Second Amendment and for the rights of gun owners,” LaPierre told the crowd.

During the fierce debate over the health care law, a few health care advocates who spotted the gun provision, entitled “Protection of Second Amendment Gun Rights,” immediately suspected the NRA’s involvement.

“It’s obviously a testament to the power of the NRA lobby,” Ethan Rome, the executive director of Health Care for America Now, said.

Democratic sources say the NRA was not viewed as the only threat to the health care law. Lawmakers were also concerned about conspiracy theories circulating on conservative blogs that falsely accused the Obama administration of seeking to use the health care law to strip gun owners of their firearms.

One firearms advocacy group, Gun Owners of America, insists the law remains a concern.

“It says that all of our medical records are available to be pawed through by bureaucrats somewhere in Washington, looking for a reason to disenfranchise gun owners,” the group’s president, Larry Pratt, said on a Web radio show last November.

So, the NRA could have stopped Obama’care’, but didn’t?

May Reid and they go to Hades.

Schadenfreude on January 10, 2013 at 3:09 PM

Criminals have civil rights and due-process matters going for them. The law-abiding do not.

Liam on January 10, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Or how about this :

The regime is only concerned about ” gun violence” now because white kids got killed in CT. There are black and latino kids dying in Chicago and Oakland and LA and DC and Baltimore etc . everyday , for years, and Obama never concerned himself with that gun violence. Not even in Chicago :(

burrata on January 10, 2013 at 3:09 PM

Fixed.

UltimateBob on January 10, 2013 at 3:09 PM

lol…I stand corrected.

Tim_CA on January 10, 2013 at 3:11 PM

If you didn’t get that point then it’s only because you didn’t want to.

MechanicalBill on January 10, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Who is a democrat that added pro-gun legislation to Obamacare of all things. Pretty damn impressive for a Special Interest Group.

MechanicalBill on January 10, 2013 at 2:33 PM

I can only respond to what you wrote, you thought getting in bed with Reid was “Pretty damn impressive”…and I stated, you were snookered to think that is impressive, when it’s something that will be gone in months, and Reid will be around for years, the NRA and you were pwnd…if you didn’t get that point, it’s only because you didn’t want to.

right2bright on January 10, 2013 at 3:11 PM

ROCnPhilly on January 10, 2013 at 3:05 PM

That’s the statement the NRA should put out, repeat, repeat, repeat, alas.

Schadenfreude on January 10, 2013 at 3:11 PM

Schadenfreude on January 10, 2013 at 2:57 PM

Hows that brilliant strategy working out??
right2bright on January 10, 2013 at 2:58 PM

It was not smart of the NRA to support Reid in trade for that line, and I just hope they learn something from this – and hopefully not too late.
Perhaps the NRA has actually finally learned that the Dems just cannot be trusted. If they don’t learn that and behave / lobby accordingly, I certainly won’t renew my membership.
But for now I’m in their numbers to try to help sway this battle as best I can – and building my own arsenal just in case.

dentarthurdent on January 10, 2013 at 3:12 PM

No…it’s really not. A “stage doesn’t go to work, pay my bills, or raise my family…

Only self-important morons need a stage.

Alas, the political reality is different. That’s why the NRA is politically effective.

I have no idea what this means…?

Right now the NRA looks weak and concillatory.

It means that refusing to engage gives the antis some pretty effective spin material. “Hey, look, the NRA *knows* that they are in the wrong on this…notice their silence? They are embarassed that their policies led to this massacre. They *know* they are culpable, and their silence speaks volumes.” Heck, look at how the antis were spinning just a few days of NRA silence in the wake of Sandy Hook. Now are you telling me that they should have doubled down on that?

And concilitory how? What has the NRA given ground on in this fight? The only way they look concilatory right now is if you’ve already made up your mind that they are, and in that case nothing the NRA can do would please you.

What political fight – This is a guarenteed right given to us by the 2nd ammendment…period….argument over.

And incenting the powers that be to refrain from trying to infringe upon it is a political fight right now. The argument has to be made, to their faces, that the 2A is a right and no EO can reverse it. But you have to be present in order to make the argument, not sitting in a corner writing outraged OpEds on the Internet.

JohnTant on January 10, 2013 at 3:13 PM

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