Obama admin to Britain: We’d really prefer that you not exit the EU

posted at 12:41 pm on January 10, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

There has been much ado lately about the eventual possibility of the United Kingdom bowing out of the European Union, and last summer, British Prime Minister David Cameron hinted that his government may be considering holding a national referendum on the subject in the not too distant future. Apparently, Cameron’s real end game with the idea is to win back to British sovereignty certain powers now administered through EU cooperation rules, but he may have gotten the “Brexit” ball rolling a little faster than he intended. For months, the government has been delaying the “big Europe speech” he’s meant to give to thoroughly explain the whole thing, and it’s finally slated to happen in mid-January:

But I understand that Cameron now does know what he wants to say. He will commit to keeping Britain in the single market, rejecting the calls by many in his party for a Swiss-style free trade agreement. He’ll even make the case for expanding the single market into other areas and — possibly — giving Brussels more authority to enforce its rules. This, however, will mean that most of the irritations of EU membership (including those pesky directives) will remain. There’ll be no relief for ministers who feel emasculated by EU procurement rules, no escape from regulations aimed at the heart of the City of London. Britain will only be able to open up its markets to the new economies of the east at a pace set by Brussels. This is, under Cameron’s plan, the price of being part of the world’s largest single market. …

But most things outside the single market and foreign-policy co-operation are up for consideration. Regional spending and the working time directive are two early candidates for repatriation.

Next, the timing. The pledge to renegotiate would be included in a 2015 Tory manifesto, and if they won the election outright that year, the process would start soon afterwards. Cameron will say that when the renegotiation is complete, probably around 2018, he’ll put the results to the British people. We’ll be able to vote to stay in on the new terms — or leave. Cameron plans to campaign for staying in, and is confident of victory. The idea of an exit, he thinks, would panic business.

And he’s probably right — businesses evidently would panic, as UK business leaders have just indicated in an open letter:

Prime Minister David Cameron will damage Britain’s fragile economy if he demands major changes that could threaten the country’s relationship with the European Union, business leaders said on Wednesday.

In an open letter, the heads of some of Britain’s biggest companies said Britain can’t afford to quit a market of 500 million people that buys half of its exports.

Other countries in the 27-nation bloc would probably reject Cameron’s attempts to claw back powers from Brussels, isolating the country from its biggest trading partner, they said.

“We must be very careful not to call for a wholesale renegotiation of our EU membership, which would almost certainly be rejected,” they wrote in a letter to the Financial Times.

The problem for Cameron’s agenda, however, is that he has already pretty much given away the fact that he’s not really willing to go through with a British adieu (as we have been saying on this side of the pond lately, it’s no good taking a hostage you’re not willing to shoot). The lack of teeth to the threat will mean that at least a few other EU members will almost certainly vote against Britain being awarded what they see as special privileges. Cameron reportedly believes that he will have heavy-hitter Germany’s support, but all it takes is one:

Ireland takes over the role of the EU’s six month rotating presidency this week at a time when the eurozone crisis has subsided but the question over a “Brexit”, or British exit from membership, is now openly debated in European capitals.

In a setback for the British government, Eamon Gilmore, the Irish deputy prime minister, made it clear that Ireland, traditionally a close European ally for Britain, would not support David Cameron’s call for powers to be repatriated from the EU to Westminster.

“The principal terms of membership, I think have to be the same for all member states. There are of course arrangements that member states make from time to time in relation to specific issues… but in terms of the core conditions of membership I think it is important that they are the same for all,” he said.

Meanwhile, the idea of Britain legitimately getting the hell out of EU-dodge is gaining in steam and popularity, and maybe even enough to put in a showing by the time the referendum would roll around if the EU keeps on flailing. The Obama administration is not at all pleased with the situation, and senior administration official is making it clear that Washington does not want Britain to call it quits:

The intervention by US assistant secretary for Europe Philip Gordon came as it was reported David Cameron is planning an “in or out” referendum for 2018.

Mr Gordon said: “We have a growing relationship with the EU, which has an increasing voice in the world, and we want to see a strong British voice in it. That is in America’s interests. We welcome an outward-looking EU with Britain in it.

“Britain has been such a special partner of the US. It shares our values, our interests and has significant resources to bring to the table. More than most, its voice in the EU is essential and critical to the US.” But he added: “Referendums have often turned countries inward.”

I’m sure the White House certainly would be against a British withdrawal, because of the at least temporary panic/recession/uncertainty that doing so would almost certainly cause. Obama views the European debt crisis as a big hindrance to the United States’ economy and likely has no desire to risk the status quo, thank you very much — not to mention that he evidently has zero qualms with big-government collectivism — but I have to say, I’m feeling some major sympathy for these “Brexiters.” The fact that these EU countries are actually discussing a eurozone super-state with tax-and-spend powers is nothing short of terrifying. As Margaret Thatcher once said, the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money, and I think that’s what this whole drive to “go global” is all about: Certain countries have run out of their own money through their own spending-happy folly, and now they’re going for a bigger pool from which to draw.

Addendum: Shots. Fired.

“The Obama administration now thinks the U.K. should be subservient to Brussels rule in many areas, just so the U.S. has a more acceptable lobbyist at the EU court,” former Cabinet minister John Redwood wrote on his blog. “The U.S. stance will probably recruit more U.K. citizens to the cause of a new and different relationship with the EU for the U.K. We have no wish to be told that we should lose our democracy in the cause of advancing America’s.” …

Bernard Jenkin, the Tory chairman of the House of Commons Public Administration Committee, said Gordon’s intervention showed that U.S. governments do not understand the ways of the 27-nation EU.

“They have a default position that the United States of Europe is going to be the same as the United States of America. They haven’t got a clue,” he told BBC Radio 5. “The State Department in particular has long had this predilection that somehow European unity is a good thing and Britain ought to be in there, but I don’t think David Cameron is going to be dictated to based on such a misunderstanding.”


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Capitulation!!!

Britain is done, cooked.

Schadenfreude on May 23, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Britain and the US are run by muzzie brother enablers.

Obama’s brothers encouraged against Christians.

Schadenfreude on May 23, 2013 at 1:23 PM

They rescinded that order later in the day.

S. Weasel on May 23, 2013 at 1:24 PM

We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender,

The UK is lost.

faraway on May 23, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Cameron and Johnson are idiots of the first rate.

Schadenfreude on May 23, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Link to support my point. The order was rescinded.

S. Weasel on May 23, 2013 at 1:25 PM

How about letting soldiers carry their weapons when they leave base since the streets have become a Islamic Jihadi war zone.

paulus1 on May 23, 2013 at 1:27 PM

God, these people are stupid, and by that I mean the UK leacership.

jimver on May 23, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Link to support my point. The order was rescinded.

S. Weasel on May 23, 2013 at 1:25 PM

That’s good. But it’s an ugly sign it was issued in the first place.

When the devil did the two greatest bastions of human liberty in all of Man’s history become so squishy?

Liam on May 23, 2013 at 1:28 PM

They rescinded that order later in the day.

S. Weasel on May 23, 2013 at 1:24 PM

It should have been succeeded by an order to be properly uniformed at all times, even when off base on “48″.

Including loaded sidearms.

clear ether

eon

eon on May 23, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Leadership that is…

jimver on May 23, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Can HotAir quit posting the pic of Mr. Red Hands please?

ToddPA on May 23, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Hard to imagine a more demoralizing order for a soldier than to tell him to take off the uniform and hide after an enemy’s attack.

How about being told to “stand down” when you want to go help protect Americans being attacked by a bunch of animals with RPGs? That would be more demoralizing.

Happy Nomad on May 23, 2013 at 1:30 PM

OT: Many thanks to HA for shrinking the article text for PC readers. It was irritating.

nobar on May 23, 2013 at 1:30 PM

This cowering will lead to people taking matters into their own hands.

forest on May 23, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Well Britain is the living incarnation of Orwell’s 1984 so no surprise there.

Lance Murdock on May 23, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Good for Col Kemp. I can’t imagine sycophantic top brasses here saying anything other than ‘yes” to Barry.

jimver on May 23, 2013 at 1:32 PM

1913 “Rule, Brittania”
2013 “Kneel, Brittania.”

The_Livewire on May 23, 2013 at 1:32 PM

So World War II was just a waste.

rbj on May 23, 2013 at 1:32 PM

OT: Many thanks to HA for shrinking the article text for PC readers. It was irritating.

nobar on May 23, 2013 at 1:30 PM

HUH? WHAT? I CAN’T READ YOU. COULD YOU TYPE LOUDER, PLEASE?

Liam on May 23, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Imagine what Churchill would say about that.

farsighted on May 23, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Think about it. This was one of the great military powers the world has ever known.

They are ordering their soldiers to remove their uniforms.

For their safety.

Soldiers.

Camoflauging themselves not for the element of surprise or to be covert. But to protect themselves.

Wow.

CycloneCDB on May 23, 2013 at 1:33 PM

I don’t the specifics but I would say to have a strong show of force with loaded sidearms is a better solution than shrinking from what happened.

jaywemm on May 23, 2013 at 1:33 PM

The twisted punchline here is that the victim yesterday wasn’t wearing a uniform. The two degenerates who murdered him apparently targeted him because they saw him entering or exiting a barracks.

He was coming out of the barracks in a “Help for Heroes” tee. HFH is like our Wounded Warrior Project charity.

HFH’s website crashed yesterday, so many people were trying to donate.

Wethal on May 23, 2013 at 1:35 PM

I’d have issued a slightly different order: Wear your uniform and feel free to draw your weapon and blast any radical muslim who so much as looks at you cross-eyed.

dpduq on May 23, 2013 at 1:35 PM

The British are finished. This is just one more symbol of it. See Cameron and Johnson’s response. How many ‘good’ muzzies have spoken out against the wild ones?

Schadenfreude on May 23, 2013 at 1:36 PM

I don’t the specifics but I would say to have a strong show of force with loaded sidearms is a better solution than shrinking from what happened.

jaywemm on May 23, 2013 at 1:33 PM

And no soldier goes out alone, either. Only in pairs or groups. The policy doesn’t have to last long. Just for enough time to show terrorists they will not be tolerated.

Liam on May 23, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Obama’s brothers succeed, apace.

Schadenfreude on May 23, 2013 at 1:36 PM

1913 “Rule, Brittania”
2013 “Kneel, Brittania.”

The_Livewire on May 23, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Sad. eh…the program of brainwashing and subduing the average British folk has been successfully completed…but hey, there’s always EDL and maybe a few yobs will join (like that they can get a mission in life and a purpose :) and make Britain proud again :)…

jimver on May 23, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Can HotAir quit posting the pic of Mr. Red Hands please?

ToddPA on May 23, 2013 at 1:29 PM

On the other hand, I want to keep looking at it. Let me see my enemy. I want to know my enemy. I want to walk amongst him.

I want to do the “Happy Dance” in his entrails.

M240H on May 23, 2013 at 1:37 PM

We were ordered by the US military to stop wearing our uniforms off post, but I was in a European country where a terrorist had just killed Airmen at Frankfurt Airport.

If this order has to be given in the home country? Something is drastically wrong, but of course it will be chalked up to a few bad apples, nothing to see here.

Lotsa bad apples these days for some reason.

NoDonkey on May 23, 2013 at 1:37 PM

A once great empire has transformed itself into the biggest bunch of p*ssies on the planet.

echosyst on May 23, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Hitler and Mussolini are sitting in Hell shaking their heads and wishing that they would have had the good fortune to be born in the late 20th century rather than the late 19th.

Bruno Strozek on May 23, 2013 at 1:38 PM

The hatred I feel when viewing the picture of that savage, alleged human, frightens me…

ellifint on May 23, 2013 at 1:40 PM

Britain held hostage to Muslim Extremism within their own land. Mustn’t offend the sensibilities of the Mohammedans lest one loses ones head…literally…

Freaking pathetic. This is what Political Correctness and worshiping at the altar of Multi-Culti Liberalism gets you.

glcinpdx on May 23, 2013 at 1:40 PM

As Britain’s Muslim population grows, British society is being transformed in ways unimaginable just a few years ago. For example, Mohammed is now the most popular name for baby boys in Britain. And the number of mosques in Britain (1,689) has grown to almost the number of Anglican churches (1,700) that have recently been closed.

That was two years ago…the Muslim Population in the UK has increased, since then.

Welcome to the United States of America…in the not too distant future.

kingsjester on May 23, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Unless I missed something, no one laid a hand on them until they were eventually shot by police.

When you disarm the public, that’s what you get…UK Gun-Free Zone…

If this was attempted in most areas of the US the only bodies on the street would be the terrorists…

PatriotRider on May 23, 2013 at 1:41 PM

And they recoil in fear.

tom daschle concerned on May 23, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Hard to imagine a more demoralizing order for a soldier than to tell him to take off the uniform and hide

US Sailors have been told to do the same thing when going on liberty in San Francisco… Put on your civvies because the natives are spoiled, ungrateful children.

“Why did none of the (apparently many) bystanders intervene yesterday to stop the jihadis in the act?”

That would be racist.

V7_Sport on May 23, 2013 at 1:42 PM

British troops told not to wear uniforms outside bases after yesterday’s attack in London

The troops must have been shocked to learn that they woke up in France.

Thomas More on May 23, 2013 at 1:43 PM

According to one Guardian columnist– who certainly could get this detail as wrong as he gets everything else wrong in this column– Lee Rigby was already out of uniform when he was murdered.

I’m with the “wear your uniform and carry a side arm” contingent.

de rigueur on May 23, 2013 at 1:43 PM

The British are finished. This is just one more symbol of it. See Cameron and Johnson’s response. How many ‘good’ muzzies have spoken out against the wild ones?

Schadenfreude on May 23, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Gee, lemme count, that might take forever…oh, wait, I finished counting, it’s 0…the only reason some Muslims fake indignation and are dissociating themselves from the attack is that they are afraid of retaliations against their mosques, not that they are sincerely condemning the demented attack…

jimver on May 23, 2013 at 1:43 PM

“Why did none of the (apparently many) bystanders intervene yesterday to stop the jihadis in the act?”

…and because they have been disarmed by their government.

V7_Sport on May 23, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Rule Brittania.

After the Unmade Bed is elected, in 2016, America will follow.

Always remember, the Communist Slob’s husband loathed the military.

OhEssYouCowboys on May 23, 2013 at 1:44 PM

If I understand this correctly…they ran into him with their car, shot him dead, and mutilated and beheaded his dead body.

Was he the first soldier they saw or was he targeted?

Twenty minutes to get someone with a gun…wow!

d1carter on May 23, 2013 at 1:45 PM

When seconds count…the police are minutes away…in this case 20 minutes…

PatriotRider on May 23, 2013 at 1:45 PM

‘You and your children will be next’: Islamic fanatics wielding meat cleavers butcher and try to behead a British soldier, taking their war on the West to a new level of horror

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329089/Woolwich-attack-Two-men-hack-soldier-wearing-Help-Heroes-T-shirt-death-machetes-suspected-terror-attack.html#ixzz2U3GYiaM4

davidk on May 23, 2013 at 1:45 PM

So where were the MEN yesterday? No cricket bats? No 2x4s? No lead pipes? I mean the two murderers stood around for twenty minutes wanting their pictures taken. Why didn’t a dozen men get angry enough to DO SOMETHING about it?

Galtian on May 23, 2013 at 1:45 PM

“Why did none of the (apparently many) bystanders intervene yesterday to stop the jihadis in the act?”

They disarmed the Brits a long time ago.

davidk on May 23, 2013 at 1:46 PM

And if Obama had a son, he’d look just like…

Othniel on May 23, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Can HotAir quit posting the pic of Mr. Red Hands please?

ToddPA on May 23, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Seconded.

TexasDan on May 23, 2013 at 1:46 PM

If this was attempted in most areas of the US the only bodies on the street would be the terrorists…

PatriotRider on May 23, 2013 at 1:41 PM

If the Left succeeds in disarming us, we can expect the same thing as what happened in London. I have no doubts at all a lot of Middle Easterners have gotten across the Southern border.

Because this awful murder nips at Piers Morgan’s anti-gun rants, he freaked yesterday when Dana Loesch made a few points about how guns are useful to a free people. Morgan went on a rant, offended that a ‘foreigner’ dare talk about the gun laws in Britain.

Irony at its best!

Liam on May 23, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Hitler and Mussolini are sitting in Hell shaking their heads and wishing that they would have had the good fortune to be born in the late 20th century rather than the late 19th.

Bruno Strozek on May 23, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Oh they’re still here. The names may have changed and they wear differet hats now but the breed will be with us always. Whether they’re called Adolf, Hugo, Mahmoud, Che or Dong makes no difference. They’ve always been around and always will be. What’s changed is how we so called free people react to them and deal with them.

Oldnuke on May 23, 2013 at 1:48 PM

So where were the MEN yesterday? No cricket bats? No 2x4s? No lead pipes? I mean the two murderers stood around for twenty minutes wanting their pictures taken. Why didn’t a dozen men get angry enough to DO SOMETHING about it?

Galtian on May 23, 2013 at 1:45 PM

Given how leftists Britain seems, my guess as any attackers would be charged with a hate crime.

Liam on May 23, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Can HotAir quit posting the pic of Mr. Red Hands please?

ToddPA on May 23, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Seconded.

TexasDan on May 23, 2013 at 1:46 PM

No.
Post it every day until the enemy is vanquished.

M240H on May 23, 2013 at 1:49 PM

Hitler and Mussolini are sitting in Hell shaking their heads and wishing that they would have had the good fortune to be born in the late 20th century rather than the late 19th.

Bruno Strozek on May 23, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Ain’t that the f’n truth.

crrr6 on May 23, 2013 at 1:49 PM

It is my humble opinion that the modern, sane world and a the Moslem religion are in a state of war.

SC.Charlie on May 23, 2013 at 1:49 PM

They disarmed the Brits a long time ago.

davidk on May 23, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Only the law abiding ones.

Oldnuke on May 23, 2013 at 1:50 PM

“Why did none of the (apparently many) bystanders intervene yesterday to stop the jihadis in the act?”

…and because they have been disarmed by their government.

V7_Sport on May 23, 2013 at 1:43 PM

A brave woman actually confronted those bastages, but unfortunately it was after the guy was killed. She was on a bus and she saw those two lunatics roaming about with axes and other weapons in their hands next to the surreal slaughter soldier scene, their hands covered in blood and all…so, she thought that they might attempt other killings too, it was also the time the kids were getting out of the school in that borough…she was amazing apparently, she kept her cool and tried to talk them into surrendering their weapons…

jimver on May 23, 2013 at 1:53 PM

They disarmed the Brits a long time ago.

davidk on May 23, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Only the law abiding ones.

Oldnuke on May 23, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Thanks. Important clarification.

davidk on May 23, 2013 at 1:53 PM

Is this our future..?

d1carter on May 23, 2013 at 1:53 PM

Can HotAir quit posting the pic of Mr. Red Hands please?

ToddPA on May 23, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Seconded.

TexasDan on May 23, 2013 at 1:46 PM

I disagree.

This photo, the gun-wielding gay-looking Libyan outside a burning consulate in Benghazi, the Tsarnaev brothers, Nadal Hassan……

This is the face of our enemy. We shouldn’t forget that.

Happy Nomad on May 23, 2013 at 1:53 PM

No you leave them in uniform and you send them out under arms ….with orders to shoot to kill

Aggie95 on May 23, 2013 at 1:53 PM

You think they are capitulating now……wait till Charles is on the throne.

Brit gals, better start sizing up your black burquas.

And Yankee gals, you’re next!!!

Behold the Islamic Century. Goodbye Western civilization.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

PappyD61 on May 23, 2013 at 1:55 PM

From “The sun never sets on the British Empire” to this.

katy the mean old lady on May 23, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Do we already have some of our enemies in our media and our government..?

d1carter on May 23, 2013 at 1:56 PM

With Obama and the rest of the Progressives pushing Gun Confiscation (Control) and “Immigration Reform” (thank you, Gang of Eight), we could very well be mired in the same “multi-cultural” situation that the Land of my Ancestors finds its stuffy liberal self in today.

The secret to America’s strength has always been our legendary status as a Melting Pot…immigrants yearning to actually become Americans, and assimilating into our culture and embracing our way of life, with a patriotic love for America rivaling those of us who are native-born.

However, in recent years, under Progressive rule, America has come to resemble the Tower of Babel, instead of The Shining City on a Hill.

We must not let our sacred land fall into the trap sprung on empires such as the Ancient Roman Empire and now, the United Kingdom.

Our foreign enemies can become our domestic enemies.

Simply by walking across a border.

kingsjester on May 23, 2013 at 1:57 PM

So the Brits ordered:

Their own soldiers

To not wear their own uniforms.

On their own soil.

In the heart of their own nations capitol, London.

Holy Effin shite…

catmman on May 23, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Do we already have some of our enemies in our media and our government..?

d1carter on May 23, 2013 at 1:56 PM

Yes, start at the very top.

Schadenfreude on May 23, 2013 at 1:58 PM

Why not wear you uniform with weapon and kill the terrorists? How stupid can Brits be? This is where we are headed if stupid government gets your guns. They won’t want to be bothered with your little personal safety concerns they will be bowing to the Saudi oil money and letting your life be expendable. Whoops! Obama has already started bowing. Or, lets say he made it official.

Charm on May 23, 2013 at 1:58 PM

Do we already have some of our enemies in our media and our government..?

d1carter on May 23, 2013 at 1:56 PM

See “woods,bears, pollution.”

katy the mean old lady on May 23, 2013 at 1:59 PM

Is there anyone who thinks that if the Framers were alive today they would tolerated this so-called religion? When a large minority of a religion (perhaps borderline majority) of your adherents either sponsor or condone this barbarism, isn’t it time to stop affording them 1st amendment religious protections and classify its practice as hate speech? Why is it that if this is so unacceptable to all the “good Muslims”, how come there is no organized attempt to marginalize jihadis?

crrr6 on May 23, 2013 at 1:59 PM

He was coming out of the barracks in a “Help for Heroes” tee. HFH is like our Wounded Warrior Project charity.

HFH’s website crashed yesterday, so many people were trying to donate.

Wethal on May 23, 2013 at 1:35 PM

This reminds me (because of all the work he does with vets);

I do hope Jeremy Clarkson doesn’t self censor and we get a nice epic rant from him on this. Maybe a nice infusion of anger would help.

The_Livewire on May 23, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Because this awful murder nips at Piers Morgan’s anti-gun rants, he freaked yesterday when Dana Loesch made a few points about how guns are useful to a free people. Morgan went on a rant, offended that a ‘foreigner’ dare talk about the gun laws in Britain.

Liam on May 23, 2013 at 1:47 PM

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Kicked his butt again, did she? … She’s GREAT at that. : )
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HEY, PIERS ! ……. The British philosophy of the relationship between GOVERNMENT and the “people”, … S U C K S.
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Congratulations … the commoners and subjects of Great Britain have been turned into a bunch of (expletive) S H E E P.

Baaaaaaaaaaaa . . . . . . . . . .

listens2glenn on May 23, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Let’s look at what he (like the Jihad seen in the days of Mohammed) said.

‘You and your children will be next’

The man with blood on his hands said ‘you people will never be safe‘ as he launched an incredible rant.

In the video footage, obtained by ITV News, he said: ‘We swear by the almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you until you leave us alone.

‘We must fight them as they fight us. An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.

‘I apologise that women have had to witness this today, but in our land our women have to see the same. You people will never be safe. Remove your government, they don’t care about you.’

‘Do you think David Cameron is going to get caught in the street when we start bussin’ our guns? You think politicians are going to die?

No it’s going to be the average guy, like you, and your children.

and note who came forward to confront them……WOMEN!!!!

Where are the MEN IN ENGLAND????

PappyD61 on May 23, 2013 at 2:02 PM

And yet JOHN BOEHNER chastised Michelle Bachmann for trying to find out how infested our own government is?

PappyD61 on May 23, 2013 at 2:03 PM

I am glad that the stupid order has been recinded. Britain and all of Europe need to realized that Western Civilization are at war with Islam ………….. whether we like it or not.

SC.Charlie on May 23, 2013 at 2:03 PM

Yeah, it really bothered me that no one tried to stop them during the attack. There were things the bystanders could have done. And even if not ultimately successful, at least you would have known you tried instead of acting like a cowardly brit.

Blake on May 23, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Why not wear you uniform with weapon and kill the terrorists? How stupid can Brits be?

Charm on May 23, 2013 at 1:58 PM

I can’t say how Brits think, but from spot here it seems that to arm their soldiers when off-base would be ‘offensive’ to Muslims — in that they feel need to be armed against Muslims.

Much the same as liberals saying that playing our National Anthem is ‘offensive’ to Mexicans living here (legal and/or illegal).

Liam on May 23, 2013 at 2:06 PM

A lingering mystery: Why did none of the (apparently many) bystanders intervene yesterday to stop the jihadis in the act? By some accounts, it took 20 minutes for the cops to get there. The terrorists took time to chat with people nearby. Unless I missed something, no one laid a hand on them until they were eventually shot by police.

Likely because they feared prosecution by the state. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8747188/Shopkeeper-florist-raid-case-ministers-plan-overhaul-of-self-defence-laws.html

The US is heading in this direction but is not completely there yet.

Doomberg on May 23, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Cameron and Johnson are idiots of the first rate.

Schadenfreude on May 23, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Agreed on Cameron, but why Johnson? He’s gotten in hot water more than once for telling it like it is re: the Muslim takeover of England.

MadisonConservative on May 23, 2013 at 2:06 PM

I disagree.

This photo, the gun-wielding gay-looking Libyan outside a burning consulate in Benghazi, the Tsarnaev brothers, Nadal Hassan……

This is the face of our enemy. We shouldn’t forget that.

Happy Nomad on May 23, 2013 at 1:53 PM

In a Sane World, I’d agree…..

but I do not see any punishment coming to Hasan…and
the surviving Boston cretin has young women saying he’s Hot.
The media turns these hunks of human fecal matter into
figures of Sympathy…every damn one of these should
have Lead filling their bodies, Immediately following their
actions. No Trial, No Sympathy, No Notihng. Just DEATH.

ToddPA on May 23, 2013 at 2:12 PM

The Brits no longer can own just about all firearms much less carry them concealed. So why would someone try to stop the killing. Additionally under their laws you CANNOT defend another person with acts of violence. They have lost the idea of self defence too. No pocket kinives or pepper spray either, Yet when I was last there 5 years ago their equilvent to the chief of police for London said their worse problem was firearms. A bll was offered but did not become law requirig points to be removed from knives since knives became the weapon of choice of criminals when guns were more difficult to purchase; but smuggling has eased the lack of firearms. Good Brits don’t buy them since that is illegal. This is what the progressives want in the US. Note the police took 20 minutes to get there; the same as at Sandy Hook.

amr on May 23, 2013 at 2:13 PM

This just in:

Joe Biden says these guys were “Knock off” jihadis.

ToddPA on May 23, 2013 at 2:16 PM

He wasn’t wearing a uniform. He was wearing a hoodie that read:

‘HELP FOR HEROES – Support For Our Wounded’

Resist We Much on May 23, 2013 at 2:20 PM

President Dronestrike is speaking…

d1carter on May 23, 2013 at 2:23 PM

amr on May 23, 2013 at 2:13 PM

That’s pretty much what I was going to write. Well said.

I will add that in the British papers this morning, the police defended themselves by pointing out that unarmed police arrived in 4 minutes at which point they called for “firearmed” police (and apparently then just stood around waiting) who arrived 14 minutes after the first call. Not far off the witness’ saying as much as 20 minutes.

In the heart of London, when seconds count, bobbies are meh, 4-5 minutes away unless there is violence involved in which case they are 14-20 minutes away give or take.

deepdiver on May 23, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Imagine Comrade O ordering all US military personnel to not wear their uniform off base in response to the same attack on a US soldier in the US. As bad as things have gotten here, and as much as he might like to, I cannot imagine he would even think of trying to do that.

Something has happened to the nation that once gave its warships names like Dreadnought, Revenge, Resolution, Courageous, and Furious. And it is not good.

farsighted on May 23, 2013 at 2:24 PM

What a complete crock of BS. How in the world would that solve anything, exactly? Why not tell them to dress like Taliban or wear Burkas like the Taliban has been known to do when they’re hiding. Good grief.

scalleywag on May 23, 2013 at 2:25 PM

I can’t say how Brits think, but from spot here it seems that to arm their soldiers when off-base would be ‘offensive’ to Muslims — in that they feel need to be armed against Muslims.

Much the same as liberals saying that playing our National Anthem is ‘offensive’ to Mexicans living here (legal and/or illegal).

Liam on May 23, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Virgin Airlines wouldn’t allow British soldiers to fly wearing their uniforms. It’s sick.

Blake on May 23, 2013 at 2:27 PM

Hmmm..sounds like us (old soldiers) in 1970 and 71 at some airports here in the U.S. Many, including me, would run to the closest restroom and get out of uniform. We were obviously not concerned about matchete wielding lunatics, but we were concerned about bags of dog crap and uber insults launched our way…from drug addled lunatics here in America.

By the way, many of these drug addled lunatics are now in the House and Senate…and as aids to the WH….they are called neo-Democrats.

norm1111 on May 23, 2013 at 2:27 PM

Maybe the British are on to something. Just think of all of the savings on travel and lodging and other logistics if you can fight the Jihadis at home rather than go all the way over to the Middle East! I bet it is cheaper to fly them over, feed them and house them right in your own city. Brilliant. I wonder if we are working on a similar strategy here.

Bourgeoisie on May 23, 2013 at 2:28 PM

And even if not ultimately successful, at least you would have known you tried instead of acting like a cowardly brit.

Blake on May 23, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Well there was the cub scout leader who figured she could just talk to him and distract him from going after anyone else while waiting for the police, since a crowd was starting to form. And there was a woman who tried to revive him until she realized how badly he was injured. So there were some efforts. But yea, a lot of folks just stood by. Probably the fact that the guy was holding a machete and had knives on him and bloody red hands was a factor.

scalleywag on May 23, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Prepare to hide! Hide!

claudius on May 23, 2013 at 2:32 PM

And then there is the Islamic Grooming Gang scandal that government officials knew about and did nothing to stop because it involved….wait for it….muslims.

Blake on May 23, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Retreat.

Meople on May 23, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Any information on these homegrown terrorists..?

d1carter on May 23, 2013 at 2:39 PM

“Well I just found out Muslims can be violent when I turned on the TV this morning and saw it just like everyone else…” lol

Seriously though Britain should be ashamed. If I were a citizen I would tell the government to stick it where the sun don’t shine.

RDE2010 on May 23, 2013 at 2:42 PM

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