NRA: Our meeting with Joe Biden’s task force went exactly as well as you’d expect

posted at 7:38 pm on January 10, 2013 by Allahpundit

Surprisingly, a meaningless photo op designed to show how open-minded each side is failed to produce meaningful agreement.

The National Rifle Association of America is made up of over 4 million moms and dads, daughters and sons, who are involved in the national conversation about how to prevent a tragedy like Newtown from ever happening again. We attended today’s White House meeting to discuss how to keep our children safe and were prepared to have a meaningful conversation about school safety, mental health issues, the marketing of violence to our kids and the collapse of federal prosecutions of violent criminals.

We were disappointed with how little this meeting had to do with keeping our children safe and how much it had to do with an agenda to attack the Second Amendment. While claiming that no policy proposals would be “prejudged,” this Task Force spent most of its time on proposed restrictions on lawful firearms owners – honest, taxpaying, hardworking Americans. It is unfortunate that this Administration continues to insist on pushing failed solutions to our nation’s most pressing problems. We will not allow law-abiding gun owners to be blamed for the acts of criminals and madmen. Instead, we will now take our commitment and meaningful contributions to members of congress of both parties who are interested in having an honest conversation about what works – and what does not.

Biden’s next allegedly important meeting on guns today is with the entertainment industry, which not only bankrolls his party but is being represented at the table by longtime Democratic senator and presumptive Biden chum Chris Dodd. I wonder how they’ll make out.

Question: Given the influence of redistricting and ideological polarization on the current composition of the House, with more and more members worried less about the general election than about primary challenges, why would progressive bigshots expect a nationwide messaging campaign for gun control to shake loose a critical mass of Republican votes? Answer: They don’t. The irony of all the Democratic rhetoric lately about how they need to move quickly and ram something through before public interest fades is that they’re actually playing a longer game. They know nothing significant will pass the House right now; the real goals of O’s gun-control push are to help Democrats recapture the House in 2014 by making the GOP take a bunch of politically unpopular votes and to weaken the NRA politically so that a future, bluer Congress feels less compunction about voting for more ambitious gun-control measures down the line. (Just yesterday, Rachel Maddow assured Democratic America that the NRA is a paper tiger.) Gun-control fan David Frum laments that Obama’s polarizing the issue by wading into it instead of letting grassroots groups go to work on the public, but I don’t think O has a choice. If he doesn’t act, the takeaway from this episode will be that even after the worst sort of gun horror there’s insufficient political will among liberals to achieve something legislatively. It’d be hugely demoralizing for them. He has the bully pulpit; his favorable rating is, I assume, vastly higher than Wayne LaPierre’s; lefty fears of the public losing interest in the issue over time are well founded; and the whole thing’s already incredibly ideologically polarized. Gabby Giffords’s new grassroots org can still go to work even if Obama issues a mostly symbolic executive order about gun reporting. All he’s doing now is getting voters accustomed to the idea that government action is both possible and desirable, in preparation for a more aggressive push when they have the numbers again in Congress.

Exit question: If assault weapons are such a burning national crisis, why didn’t Obama and the Democratic leadership pass something when they owned the House and the Senate four years ago? The answer wouldn’t have anything to do with Obama caring much, much more about his own reelection than about ending gun violence, would it?


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Is that screen shot of Biden one that he perfected in his debate with Paul Ryan?

onlineanalyst on January 10, 2013 at 7:42 PM

Exit question: If assault weapons are such a burning national crisis, why didn’t Obama and the Democratic leadership pass something when they owned the House and the Senate four years ago? The answer wouldn’t have anything to do with Obama caring much, much more about his own reelection than about ending gun violence, would it?

Oh no. WE are so fortunate to have a Dear Liar who is so selfless and thinks only of others.

Gun show next weekend, it can’t come soon enough (almost feels like Christmas.)

rbj on January 10, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Expect gun violence magic from the Democratic house?

The weapon of choice in Chicagoland isn’t even on the table.

9mm HAS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN ANY CAL..

IlikedAUH2O on January 10, 2013 at 7:44 PM

The NRA needs to shout it from the rooftops!

There are a bunch of folks out there who believe the administration is doing this out of the goodness of their hearts.

kingsjester on January 10, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Exit question: If assault weapons are such a burning national crisis, why didn’t Obama and the Democratic leadership pass something when they owned the House and the Senate four years ago?

Because they didn’t want to lose the House and Senate again.

GarandFan on January 10, 2013 at 7:46 PM

One way or another, strip by strip, that old piece of paper is being shredded.

OldEnglish on January 10, 2013 at 7:46 PM

******** Alert *******

Shooting at Taft, California, high school, Jan. 10, 2013

Officials say at least two people have been shot at Taft High School in Taft, California. The shooting happened at about 9 a.m. The shooter was taken into custody at about 9:20 a.m. – ABC affiliate KERO
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http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/shooting-at-taft-california-high-school-jan-10-2013

canopfor on January 10, 2013 at 7:47 PM

I’ve written my own warning to Obama and the Regime.

Mr. Obama, WE are NOT your subjects. We are citizens of the United States and the State which we reside, same as you. You do not rule us. Our Founding Fathers were wise enough to incorporate the second amendment in our Constitution so that the American People would never BE ruled.

wildcat72 on January 10, 2013 at 7:47 PM

Man, that was a dense paragraph (as in full of copy to digest), AP.

Obysmal is using all of the marketing skills of OFA and Axelrod to drench the media with his and the “Progressives’” propaganda.

onlineanalyst on January 10, 2013 at 7:48 PM

One way “dialogue”. Wow what a surprise. Why was the NRA disappointed by this; they expected something else?

ghostwalker1 on January 10, 2013 at 7:48 PM

One way “dialogue”. Wow what a surprise. Why was the NRA disappointed by this; they expected something else?

ghostwalker1 on January 10, 2013 at 7:48 PM

I wonder why ANYONE in opposition bothers to go through the motions of engaging The Obama Regime? They are tone deaf to opposition to their policies. You don’t negotiate with Obama. You bow to him (unless you are an enemy of the United States, in which case he’ll bow to YOU).

When will people on our side LEARN this?!

wildcat72 on January 10, 2013 at 7:52 PM

My guess:

Biden pulled out one of his pockets, unzipped his fly and asked “Want to see the one-eared elephant?”

Chuck Schick on January 10, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Our meeting with Joe Biden’s task force went exactly as well as you’d expect

Wow, so, Joe dropped his pants, pulled down his diaper and pleasured himself while swilling Gin and dropping F-bombs?

Pork-Chop on January 10, 2013 at 7:54 PM

WHERE is the Republican leadership on this? Hiding in a corner, sucking their thumbs and cowering? Where the heck are they? Weren’t they sworn in to defend the Constitution, including the 2nd Amendment?

**crickets**

theotherone on January 10, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Let the ‘rats play the long game or whatever, they are driving people to the gun stores in a way that I have never seen in my lifetime. I can’t tell you how many times I overheard conversations from people at the gun shops I’ve been saying to the clerk: “Well this is my first gun, so I need some advice”.

The gun owning demographic is enlarging by the day in great leaps, and every one of those people is discovering that guns aren’t some terrible sentient creature bent on murder.

Bishop on January 10, 2013 at 7:54 PM

…Biden chum Chris Dodd. I wonder how they’ll make out.

That’s a mental image I can do without…

Kraken on January 10, 2013 at 7:55 PM

Just picked up my fourth Kel-Tec RFB. Wow I love these bullpup weapons.

It is tragic that three were “lost” in a freak boating accident and one is always at home with a ready magazine.

By the way, for those of you with 308′s look at the IOR Valada “Spartan” Scope. A peerless battle optic for a 308′s semi.

Will penetrate most Government vehicles through and through.

Bulletchaser on January 10, 2013 at 7:55 PM

Idiots.

All.

Read the Bill of Rights and STFU.

Tim_CA on January 10, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Exit question: If assault weapons are such a burning national crisis, why didn’t Obama and the Democratic leadership pass something when they owned the House and the Senate four years ago?
===================================================================

Because the right..(tragedy)didn’t present itself,that the
Liberal Party could exploit to there liking!!

canopfor on January 10, 2013 at 7:57 PM

“No one needs 10 bullets to kill a deer”.

Sure, and no one needs a 6 cylinder car to get around, bicycle or moped are just fine last time I checked.

And no one needs mansions politicos live in (for the most part), a small Japanese standard apartment is just fine.

And politico’s wives do not need those 2 carat rings, imitation works just fine.

And politicos do not need hookers on the side, their wives should be just fine.

Who the fugg are those morons to even have a discussion of any sort of what people “need” or “want”? NRA and GOP should be asking that question of Biden and see if he can answer that.

And why do these azzholes need armed protection, why are their lives any more important than mine? I am sure I can way better job in DC than any one of them, in deference to them I am really good with numbers and can balance a check book without the use of calculator, Paul Ryan as clueless on numbers as the rest of them. What the hell do they do in DC save for wasting our money?

riddick on January 10, 2013 at 7:57 PM

Wow, so, Joe dropped his pants, pulled down his diaper and pleasured himself while swilling Gin and dropping F-bombs?

Pork-Chop on January 10, 2013 at 7:54 PM

lol…groped a couple of biker-chicks too.

Tim_CA on January 10, 2013 at 7:57 PM

I want a M1 Garand. A real one, not that M1A knockoff. Unfortunately they are out of my price range. I have fired one before and believe it to be the best rifle ever made, accurate, rugged, reliable and all purpose.

I wonder if it’s viable to acquire parts and build one yourself?

wildcat72 on January 10, 2013 at 7:58 PM

Can someone have an anti-assault weapon? A defender weapon? We have to insist upon a change in the language which the Left has turned upside down, backwards and inside out because they shout the loudest and with a most maniacal incoherence so that most people back off and let them say what they want because there’s no reasoning with them. No more. If you have an AR-15, tell them it’s not an assault weapon, it’s an anti-assault weapon which you would never use to assault, only to respond to and stop an assault.

VorDaj on January 10, 2013 at 7:59 PM

Let the ‘rats play the long game or whatever, they are driving people to the gun stores in a way that I have never seen in my lifetime. I can’t tell you how many times I overheard conversations from people at the gun shops I’ve been saying to the clerk: “Well this is my first gun, so I need some advice”.

The gun owning demographic is enlarging by the day in great leaps, and every one of those people is discovering that guns aren’t some terrible sentient creature bent on murder.

Bishop on January 10, 2013 at 7:54 PM

My local sporting goods store ammo shelves look like the bread and milk section in grocery stores around here if snow is in the forecast. BARE…

Going to hit up Cabelas in Charleston this weekend.

wildcat72 on January 10, 2013 at 8:00 PM

In addition to writing your political reps, if you can TAKE SOMEONE SHOOTING.

Pistol, rifle, shotgun – targets or hunting, whatever. It does make a difference and I find a lot of people actually enjoy it, which will change their attitude to gun grabbing statism.

CorporatePiggy on January 10, 2013 at 8:00 PM

Should have told Biden to apologize he’s all for gun free zones that attract murderers.

Speakup on January 10, 2013 at 8:00 PM

By the way, for those of you with 308′s look at the IOR Valada “Spartan” Scope. A peerless battle optic for a 308′s semi.

Bulletchaser on January 10, 2013 at 7:55 PM

I have a nice Socom 16 but have never found an adequate scope mount. The side mounted version is too goosy and I hate forward-mount scout scopes with a passion; the full Vltor rig is almost as much as a new gun so that’s out too (plus it’s heavy).

What I need is an SBR M1A of some kind, I suppose.

Bishop on January 10, 2013 at 8:00 PM

Can someone have an anti-assault weapon? A defender weapon? We have to insist upon a change in the language which the Left has turned upside down, backwards and inside out because they shout the loudest and with a most maniacal incoherence so that most people back off and let them say what they want because there’s no reasoning with them. No more. If you have an AR-15, tell them it’s not an assault weapon, it’s an anti-assault weapon which you would never use to assault, only to respond to and stop an assault.

VorDaj on January 10, 2013 at 7:59 PM

I define an “assault weapon” as anything that is being used to assault me with.

In the case of Obama, his upcoming gun ban/grab EO would definitely fit the category of “assault weapon”, especially since it will imply that armed government jackboots will enforce it.

wildcat72 on January 10, 2013 at 8:01 PM

White House gun violence task force

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/white-house-gun-violence-task-force

RA ‘disappointed’ with Biden meeting, says administration has agenda to attack Second Amendment – @tmplivewire

3 hours ago from livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com by editor
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http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/nra-disappointed-with-biden-meeting-for-proposing-restrictions

canopfor on January 10, 2013 at 8:02 PM

I wonder how they’ll make out.

Open mouthed, but no eye contact. That costs extra.

Gatsu on January 10, 2013 at 8:02 PM

So when is Oblahblah going to do it…?

… In his inauguration speech or the State of the Union where he can get thunderous applause by the Left?

Seven Percent Solution on January 10, 2013 at 8:02 PM

My local sporting goods store ammo shelves look like the bread and milk section in grocery stores around here if snow is in the forecast. BARE…

Going to hit up Cabelas in Charleston this weekend.

wildcat72 on January 10, 2013 at 8:00 PM

You MUST hit the Cabelas, my fellow gun owning murderous pig. You can .223 and Euro Pellet still though .45 is godawful spendy.

Strangely enough the .22 bulk is going like hotcakes. I was on the verge of paying through the nose for Eley stuff when a savior employee started unpacking Federal 325-round packs for $15. Bought the max of 10 on the spot.

Bishop on January 10, 2013 at 8:04 PM

hould have told Biden to apologize he’s all for gun free zones that attract murderers.

Speakup on January 10, 2013 at 8:00 PM

Ask him when Obama and Holder are going to apologize for all the Mexican civilians, including children, that they and their drug gang friends killed.

VorDaj on January 10, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Leftists are nothing if not opportunistic. They have long term dreams. They know their little ‘war’ against the reactionary forces will be protracted…and a lot of finesse is required. You bide your time, building your organization and your infrastructure. Then little by little over the years/decades you agitate then agitate some more..then at the right time your grab a little…and then, a little more…always agitating, always organizing, always Disciplined.

and that is why the R party is irrelevant in much of the country….and why, the Left is always at the ready to, well, capitalize on events. And why the R are Always caught flat footed…or worse, fall into the worse sort of traps

r keller on January 10, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Exit question: If assault weapons are such a burning national crisis, why didn’t Obama and the Democratic leadership pass something when they owned the House and the Senate four years ago?

because Obama was running guns for foreign drug cartels and jihadies during those days ??????

burrata on January 10, 2013 at 8:08 PM

All this is Kabuki up to the real point that the Government says “Do this” and the Gun Owners say “No!”

Till then, expect lots of Liberals saying that they are working for “understanding” in public while they get on Hot Air and never try to understand a damn thing. Gun owners are making their position clear and have been for years, but according to Libs, it has been in the wrong direction. This has been 25 years of lies that they are never required to answer for. What about the lies about each state that adopted concealed carry “that blood would run in the streets!” or that violent crime would go up when in each state it did not? Lie after lie, false assumption after false assumption, yet NOW we are supposed to believe that THIS time, gun control will work.

Remember when they went after “stand your ground laws” last fall till they were forced on TV to state that “a woman defending her children had a duty to retreat”. All of a sudden the issue “went away” because of the backlash. Now we are back to the old standby of “doing something for the children”. Their rhetoric never changes, only their lies.

Bulletchaser on January 10, 2013 at 8:08 PM

I want a M1 Garand. A real one, not that M1A knockoff. Unfortunately they are out of my price range. I have fired one before and believe it to be the best rifle ever made, accurate, rugged, reliable and all purpose.
I wonder if it’s viable to acquire parts and build one yourself?
wildcat72 on January 10, 2013 at 7:58 PM

You can, but for the price of parts you may as well buy an assembled M1. It’s a fun project though, but if you decide to do it then do yourself a favor and have a good gunsmith put the barrel on the receiver for you. It’s not a trivial exercise. Also be sure to check headspace before you go shooting with it. :)

JohnTant on January 10, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Oops Team Biden is missing more testimony,er ideas??

Newtown mom wants voice in gun control discussion
Jan. 10 7:48 PM EST
*******************

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/newtown-mom-disappointed-lack-info-dc

canopfor on January 10, 2013 at 8:10 PM

and that is why the R party is irrelevant in much of the country….and why, the Left is always at the ready to, well, capitalize on events. And why the R are Always caught flat footed…or worse, fall into the worse sort of traps

r keller on January 10, 2013 at 8:07 PM

The GOP is stupid which accounts for some of that.

That said, the greatest strength of conservatives (our morality) is turned into weakness by the left, because no conservative would construct a soapbox out of the bodies of 6 year old children like progressives routinely do.

What do all of these mass shootings have in common? Answer: A mentally deranged shooter who never would have HAD guns if EXISTING laws were enforced and who shouldn’t have been outside a mental hospital to COMMIT these crimes to begin with!

wildcat72 on January 10, 2013 at 8:11 PM

They know nothing significant will pass the House right now; the real goals of O’s gun-control push are to help Democrats recapture the House in 2014 by making the GOP take a bunch of politically unpopular votes and to weaken the NRA politically

That doesn’t make sense, AP. If nothing significant will pass, it’s because there’s no real popular demand for it to pass. If that’s the case, then it’s a result of a lack of popular support for what Democrats want to push. So why would subsequent minor votes, that no one will pay attention to compared with “sweeping” action, result in less popularity for pro 2nd amendment republicans and the NRA, whose popularity currently is suppressing the kind of sweeping, anti-Constitutional, measures Obama wants? A strong position doesn’t get weaker because it has many chances to play itself out, especially when it’s a bunch of meaningless minor votes that are less popular.

Weight of Glory on January 10, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Exit question: If assault weapons are such a burning national crisis, why didn’t Obama and the Democratic leadership pass something when they owned the House and the Senate four years ago?

Libs don’t care. Newtown was useful because of the dead children.

That’s all the libs need to further their agenda. They don’t care about Newtown or the kids. It’s all about limiting 2nd Amendment rights.

This is one instance where BO probably nodded, smiled and said to himself that Lanza “did not act stupidly…. played right into my hands.”

Cody1991 on January 10, 2013 at 8:12 PM

But it’s for the children.

Gun Deaths in the U.S. for 2011 : 8,583 per FBI unified crime report.

Abortions in the U.S. for 2011: 333,964 just by planned parenthood.

Tell me where the problem is again.

D-fusit on January 10, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Strangely enough the .22 bulk is going like hotcakes. I was on the verge of paying through the nose for Eley stuff when a savior employee started unpacking Federal 325-round packs for $15. Bought the max of 10 on the spot.

Bishop on January 10, 2013 at 8:04 PM

That is still 23.00 per 500. Ouch! Of course it works so well in silenced weapons and weapons for use at night.

Bulletchaser on January 10, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Have had the opp to fire pretty much every caliber handgun, incl. most semi-autos.
 
- Vice-President Joe Biden

rogerb on January 10, 2013 at 8:12 PM


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm………..

Reuters Politics ‏@ReutersPolitics

Scientists to Biden: end NRA-backed gun research ban http://reut.rs/XSp4dI
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/10/us-usa-guns-scientists-idUSBRE90915F20130110

canopfor on January 10, 2013 at 8:17 PM

“Banning guns is an idea whose time has come.”

– Senator Joseph “Beretta” Biden, Associated Press, 18 November 1993

“Beretta Biden” Is A Gun Banner

Resist We Much on January 10, 2013 at 8:18 PM

If the GOP manages to lose the House after the disaster that is the last 4 years, and will be 6 by 2014, they will be dead as a party.

The Dems are tyrannical morons who should be taken to the woodshed, and im tired of waiting for the wimpy, corrupt GOP to do something gutsy, or even competent. The GOP is run by a failed political machine who only cares about their own power.

I refuse to be a part of what it has become.

PS. The sight of Bill Clinton, serial liar, molester, and all around super tool, makes me ill.

alecj on January 10, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Not like the old days when .22 could be had for a song, still cheap for plinking and knocking off the stray rabbit.

Bishop on January 10, 2013 at 8:20 PM

That doesn’t make sense, AP. If nothing significant will pass, it’s because there’s no real popular demand for it to pass. If that’s the case, then it’s a result of a lack of popular support for what Democrats want to push. So why would subsequent minor votes, that no one will pay attention to compared with “sweeping” action, result in less popularity for pro 2nd amendment republicans and the NRA, whose popularity currently is suppressing the kind of sweeping, anti-Constitutional, measures Obama wants? A strong position doesn’t get weaker because it has many chances to play itself out, especially when it’s a bunch of meaningless minor votes that are less popular.

Weight of Glory on January 10, 2013 at 8:11 PM

No one is going to win a seat in Congress on a gun grabber agenda outside of the already insanely “blue” districts. Whatever momentum gun control had is rapidly dissipating in the wake of democrats trying to exploit dead children to grab the guns of law abiding Americans. Which is why they are trying to act FAST, this window (which was really never open to begin with) is already slamming shut.

During campaign seasons every ad I see a Democrat run makes them look like John Wayne on gun control. Even Obama went out of his way to say he supported the 2nd Amendment and wouldn’t “take your guns”. Of course that statement is past it’s expiration date. Even John EFFING Kerry went to Ohio in 2004 and asked “can I get me a huntin license here?”

The EO route is all Obama has. That, and the fact that no one on our side has done anything to stop any of his other blatantly illegal power grabs (non recess recess appointments anyone?) Nothing has been done to make rat ears expect that he can’t get away with this. He is going to CONTINUALLY push the envelope until someone smacks his power grabs with a brick wall.

wildcat72 on January 10, 2013 at 8:21 PM

We were disappointed with how little this meeting had to do with keeping our children safe and how much it had to do with an agenda to attack the Second Amendment.

So apparently the NRA were the only people surprised.

Next time asshats…make them come to you….and YOU set the agenda.

Clueless.

Tim_CA on January 10, 2013 at 8:23 PM

RWM, you were close. Biden is an idiot.

D-fusit on January 10, 2013 at 8:26 PM

Results for #guncontrol

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23guncontrol

canopfor on January 10, 2013 at 8:28 PM

I have a nice Socom 16 but have never found an adequate scope mount.
 
Bishop on January 10, 2013 at 8:00 PM

 
You’ve got your tenses messed up again.
 
I remember the day you sold it, and, if memory serves, I seem to recall you lamenting something about that very scope mount issue as the reason.

rogerb on January 10, 2013 at 8:32 PM

So apparently the NRA were the only people surprised.

Next time asshats…make them come to you….and YOU set the agenda.

Clueless.

Tim_CA on January 10, 2013 at 8:23 PM

Charlie Brown should be our party mascot. Because Lucy is the democrats.

wildcat72 on January 10, 2013 at 8:32 PM

May I suggest that the importation of “wagyu” be made a capital crime that may not be pardon by the POTUS

J_Crater on January 10, 2013 at 8:32 PM

The gun owning demographic is enlarging by the day in great leaps, and every one of those people is discovering that guns aren’t some terrible sentient creature bent on murder.

Bishop on January 10, 2013 at 7:54 PM

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canopfor on January 10, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Local radio station KTWO reports that lawmakers in Wyoming have proposed a “Firearms Protection Act” that provides a state-level annulment of any ban against semi-automatics or magazines that hold 20 or 30 rounds or more.

If the measure passes, it would mean that anyone–even federal agents-who try to enforce a ban within the state borders could be charged with a felony.

J_Crater on January 10, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Have had the opp to fire pretty much every caliber handgun, incl. most semi-autos.

- Vice-President Joe Biden

rogerb on January 10, 2013 at 8:12 PM

ya know…an unintentional, self-inflicted headwound while intoxicated would explain an awful lot…

Just sayin’

Tim_CA on January 10, 2013 at 8:39 PM

My God, you people are just aching for the opportunity to start shooting cops and National Guardsmen. Question: In your feverish fantasies of yours, what’s the endgame? Do you keep shooting until all law enforcement officers are dead? If your children survive these shootouts you dream of, what kind of country would they grow up in? Will it still be a free country, or will America be a land of armed camps?

Drew Lowell

“I was born in Colton, California, which is sixty miles east of Los Angeles, in San Bernardino, Riverside, Redlands area. And we had a grocery store in Colton, my parents were barbers, and we ran a pool hall and a bathhouse, for the railroads that ran through the opposite city of Colton, Union Pacific and Southern Pacific railroads.

I finished my high school in Redlands, and in December we just had opened the store and I listened, heard on the radio that Franklin Roosevelt says that Japan had bombed Pearl Harbor and I couldn’t believe that happened. This affected us through the fact that, we had a curtailment that we could not travel within three miles of our area. We had to just stay home and do what we could, and then we had orders that we had to either, prepare to go to relocation centers, or, actually it’s just a barbed wire fence all around the camp. It had guard towers on each corner, and machine guns were pointing in to camps.

I volunteered for the Air Force in 1943. But my draft card says 4C. 4C was listed as enemy alien. Cause they wouldn’t take me, so then when all of the campaign finally started, and the hundredth battalion was in such a good job, therefore President Roosevelt, crossed off the decree of 4C and classified it as first draftees, and so I was able to join the Army again, so I volunteered for the Air Force again. 1943, end of 44. I was called for duty, and I was on a train going east and came to this camp landing Florida. And I looked out, and I was looking for the airplane, and there was no airplanes in sight. No, this is the infantry. You are now in the infantry.

And President Roosevelt came to visit the camps, and the, all the Japanese soldiers, American soldiers, put them in a barracks, had machine guns around them, ’til the President left. Now, they’re already in the Army, why should they do this? I figured this is my country, I’m an American, I should be allowed to join the Army. So therefore that’s why I volunteered, to show my loyalty to the United States, this is, when my, kids, when I do have kids that grow up, at least they can be, looked up to, rather than downgraded as being a Jap. And I figured well, this will help to build our country up. Not only this for, Italians, Germans, they were, they didn’t go to camps, but some of them did I hear.

So, in order to prove our loyalty, I volunteered into the service. And my parents said, just don’t bring disgrace to the family. If you’re gonna fight for your country, you fight for your country. But don’t do anything, like, doing extra bombing things – or things that you shouldn’t be doing. And, so respect your country, and everything will be all right. So, this is why we tried to do, to show our loyalty. This is America. I’m an American and I want to be respected as an American, even though I look like the enemy. But, this is what we tried to do.”

- George Sakato

Remember: It’s Already Happened Here!

At one point in this country’s history, another Progressive dahlink! disarmed and declared men like George Sakato and Daniel Inouye, both Medal of Honour recipients, “enemy aliens.” That same Progressive dahlink! sent over 110,000 Japanese-Americans just like them to internment camps after disarming them, depriving them of basic constitutional rights, and de-propertying them…and the Supreme Court upheld THAT EXECUTIVE ORDER.

Before anyone suggests that the Federal government would never disarm Americans and send them to armed camps (or at least try to), remember that it has already done it and should never be allowed to do so again.

Resist We Much on January 10, 2013 at 8:44 PM

RWM, you were close. Biden is an idiot.

D-fusit on January 10, 2013 at 8:26 PM

He is that, too.

Resist We Much on January 10, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Buy ‘em if you want ‘em, boys and girls. And if you can find a “lost” weapon that’s on the hot list of the Demonrats, pay a dear price. They will be coming to confiscate your legal weapons, eventually.

They always do.

Jaibones on January 10, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Buy ‘em if you want ‘em, boys and girls. And if you can find a “lost” weapon that’s on the hot list of the Demonrats, pay a dear price. They will be coming to confiscate your legal weapons, eventually.

They always do.

Jaibones on January 10, 2013 at 8:48 PM

“gun grabber” would be a career with the highest job injury and mortality rate in the world.

wildcat72 on January 10, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Resist We Much on January 10, 2013 at 8:44 PM

Have you guys missed the billions of rounds of ammo they have been buying? Do a web search. It is like they are expecting a major armed uprising.

Knowing the feds I have known this really bothers me.

IlikedAUH2O on January 10, 2013 at 8:51 PM

Have you guys missed the billions of rounds of ammo they have been buying? Do a web search. It is like they are expecting a major armed uprising.

Knowing the feds I have known this really bothers me.

IlikedAUH2O on January 10, 2013 at 8:51 PM

And much of it is hollow point (expanding) ammunition which can be used only against our own citizens. The Geneva Convention outlawed using anything but solid point, non expanding, non fragmentation ammo by soldiers.

wildcat72 on January 10, 2013 at 8:55 PM

“…which not only bankrolls his party but is being represented at the table by longtime Democratic senator and presumptive Biden chum Chris Dodd. I wonder how they’ll make out.”

Probably with a lot of tongue. They’ll likely birth a monster together, too.

AnonymousDrivel on January 10, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Can someone have an anti-assault weapon? A defender weapon? We have to insist upon a change in the language which the Left has turned upside down, backwards and inside out because they shout the loudest and with a most maniacal incoherence so that most people back off and let them say what they want because there’s no reasoning with them. No more. If you have an AR-15, tell them it’s not an assault weapon, it’s an anti-assault weapon which you would never use to assault, only to respond to and stop an assault.
VorDaj on January 10, 2013 at 7:59 PM
I define an “assault weapon” as anything that is being used to assault me with.
In the case of Obama, his upcoming gun ban/grab EO would definitely fit the category of “assault weapon”, especially since it will imply that armed government jackboots will enforce it.
wildcat72 on January 10, 2013 at 8:01 PM

Agreed. I do not understand the redundancy of “assault weapon”. A weapon is a weapon meant to assault whether it’s a fist, knife, pistol or an automatic firearm. Why do we use it or allow it to be used to identify any gun? Aren’t all guns assault weapons? It’s the left’s semantics used to create a fear and ignorance.

shades of red on January 10, 2013 at 9:02 PM

Not my idea, but I would love to see a Million Magazine March on DC… think they would show it on MSNBC?

PointnClick on January 10, 2013 at 9:03 PM

http://www.luckygunner.com/

canopfor on January 10, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Lucky Gunner is like Midway, they are always out of stock on everything.

Bishop on January 10, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Our meeting with Joe Biden’s task force went exactly as well as you’d expect

Wow, so, Joe dropped his pants, pulled down his diaper and pleasured himself while swilling Gin and dropping F-bombs?

Pork-Chop on January 10, 2013 at 7:54 PM

I have this visual of Vice PT Barnum Biden.

Resist We Much on January 10, 2013 at 9:10 PM

IlikedAUH2O on January 10, 2013 at 8:51 PM

I haven’t missed it. I’ve written about it.

Resist We Much on January 10, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Agreed. I do not understand the redundancy of “assault weapon”. A weapon is a weapon meant to assault whether it’s a fist, knife, pistol or an automatic firearm. Why do we use it or allow it to be used to identify any gun? Aren’t all guns assault weapons? It’s the left’s semantics used to create a fear and ignorance.

shades of red on January 10, 2013 at 9:02 PM

I remember about 20 years ago the terms used were:

Single Shot
Semi-Automatic
Automatic

Rifle, Pistol, Shotgun.

You used them for:

Hunting, Sport, Home Defense

I still have no clue what an “assault weapon” is…but somehow it’s worked its way into the venacular of both the left AND right over the last two decades.

The nearest I can figure is that it looks like a military weapon even when built to civilian standards…or it’s camo’d out…or has a clip that holds more than three rounds cuz “no-one needs more than 10 shots to kill a deer”.

Life was alot simpler before we started electing idiots.

Tim_CA on January 10, 2013 at 9:16 PM

I still have no clue what an “assault weapon” is…The nearest I can figure is that it looks like a military weapon even when built to civilian standards…or it’s camo’d out…or has a clip that holds more than three rounds cuz “no-one needs more than 10 shots to kill a deer”.

Tim_CA on January 10, 2013 at 9:16 PM

Which one is the assault weapon that was banned under the old AWB?

Resist We Much on January 10, 2013 at 9:22 PM

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canopfor on January 10, 2013 at 9:23 PM

Typical Allahpundit the Sky is falling chicken sh*t analysis… Woe to us… the gun control is going to be so popular in 2014 that the democrats are going to win the House and make massive gains in the Senate… Based on what f***ing data do you think that the democrats are going to gain the House based on them standing strong on gun control?…

mnjg on January 10, 2013 at 9:35 PM

I finally got around to purchasing a fire arm at a local gun show on 12/01 after years of not having any type of gun at all in the house. A S&W 9mm and about 150 rounds. There was a quickie background check BTW. The ammo on that day cost me around $36 total which I shot up at the local indoor range about a week later. Today I might be able to get 50 rounds for that.

kahall on January 10, 2013 at 9:36 PM

Which one is the assault weapon that was banned under the old AWB?

Resist We Much on January 10, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Perfect example.

It’s baffling.

Tim_CA on January 10, 2013 at 9:38 PM

I remember about 20 years ago the terms used were:
Single Shot
Semi-Automatic
Automatic
Rifle, Pistol, Shotgun.
You used them for:
Hunting, Sport, Home Defense
I still have no clue what an “assault weapon” is…but somehow it’s worked its way into the venacular of both the left AND right over the last two decades.
The nearest I can figure is that it looks like a military weapon even when built to civilian standards…or it’s camo’d out…or has a clip that holds more than three rounds cuz “no-one needs more than 10 shots to kill a deer”.
Life was alot simpler before we started electing idiots.
Tim_CA on January 10, 2013 at 9:16 PM

Yes! Single, semi, and auto is what we should be demanding use of in this “discussion”. It should be black and white. The right to bear arms=the right to possess weapons. What weapons were used by civilians at time of writing of the 2nd? How many owned cannons?(maybe my ignorance, but none to few??) Weapons=guns. Done.

Idiots indeed.

shades of red on January 10, 2013 at 9:39 PM

I want a M1 Garand. A real one, not that M1A knockoff. Unfortunately they are out of my price range. I have fired one before and believe it to be the best rifle ever made, accurate, rugged, reliable and all purpose.

I wonder if it’s viable to acquire parts and build one yourself?

wildcat72 on January 10, 2013 at 7:58 PM

Better than an M-14? C’mon.

Cleombrotus on January 10, 2013 at 9:43 PM

Obamas America……

Scores of dead children by the hand of a madman……….UNACCEPTABLE!!!

Scores of dead children by the hand of a Planned Parenthood Abortionist…..MORE PLEASE!!

Up-side down we are!

PappyD61 on January 10, 2013 at 9:46 PM

I’m sure the proggie leftists are envisioning a refusal of superior alien civilizations to visit our planet because the most powerful, educated and generous nation on earth has a huge gun-owning population. As the sacrosanct Hollyweird ritual has it, Americans react out of fear and loathing against alien visitors and begin blasting away at the first sight of an extraterrestrial intruder. Film after film illustrates this simple, inherently unfounded belief. Hollywood is a truly emotionally unstable place to live and work.

ExpressoBold on January 10, 2013 at 9:50 PM

shades of red on January 10, 2013 at 9:39 PM

Whenever I get into a “discussion” here in lala land about “assault weapons”….the first thing I ask for is a definition of “assault weapon”

The answers are quite often hilarious…and no two are ever the same.

Tim_CA on January 10, 2013 at 9:54 PM

http://www.luckygunner.com/

canopfor on January 10, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Lucky Gunner is like Midway, they are always out of stock on everything.

Bishop on January 10, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Bishop:D*mmitt,—————:O

canopfor on January 10, 2013 at 10:03 PM

I wonder why ANYONE in opposition bothers to go through the motions of engaging The Obama Regime? They are tone deaf to opposition to their policies. You don’t negotiate with Obama. You bow to him (unless you are an enemy of the United States, in which case he’ll bow to YOU).

When will people on our side LEARN this?!

wildcat72 on January 10, 2013 at 7:52 PM

Really wildcat72?

What do you suppose the liberal media would do when they could produce the headline- NRA refuses to discuss gun safety with Biden commission?

Happy Nomad on January 10, 2013 at 10:10 PM

Wow, did the trolls go to bed early, or did we finally scare them away with our scary boomstick talk?

CurtZHP on January 10, 2013 at 10:16 PM

wildcat72 on January 10, 2013 at 7:58 PM

You should check out the CMP, the Civilian Marksmanship Program.

Oh, and I’ve had both the M1 and a properly built (not using cheap Chinese parts) M1A (Smith Enterprises receiver, and USGI parts) – and they’re both a dream to shoot.

Hill60 on January 10, 2013 at 10:41 PM

You should check out the CMP, the Civilian Marksmanship Program.

Oh, and I’ve had both the M1 and a properly built (not using cheap Chinese parts) M1A (Smith Enterprises receiver, and USGI parts) – and they’re both a dream to shoot.

Hill60 on January 10, 2013 at 10:41 PM

If I had the money to invest, I’d love to start a company that makes NEW M1 rifles, both with iron sights and with a scope.

I think it would be extremely successful.

wildcat72 on January 10, 2013 at 10:52 PM

Better than an M-14? C’mon.

Cleombrotus on January 10, 2013 at 9:43 PM

The M1 is equal to the M14. The M14 was absolutely terrible on full auto (the main reason why the M16 replaced it so quickly), and was in effect just a clunkier M1 (since it was only good in semi auto). The .308 is slightly less powerful than the .30-06, though it’s close enough to be honest that either round will do the same job.

The M14 had a 20 round magazine vs the M1′s 8 round magazine, probably it’s only advantage.

Full auto is really not even necessary or practical for an infantryman, not even in the much easier to handle (because the round is so much smaller and weaker than .30 caliber) M16/AR 15 series rifles, the standard army battle rifle is a M16 that fires automatic on 3 round bursts only. Automatic fire from hand held rifles greater than 3 rounds at a time only wastes ammo.

wildcat72 on January 10, 2013 at 10:59 PM

If I had the money to invest, I’d love to start a company that makes NEW M1 rifles, both with iron sights and with a scope.

I think it would be extremely successful.

wildcat72 on January 10, 2013 at 10:52 PM

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canopfor on January 10, 2013 at 11:17 PM

NRA: Our meeting with Joe Biden’s task force went exactly as well as you’d expect

…he “frisked” them?

KOOLAID2 on January 10, 2013 at 11:35 PM

Question: Given the influence of redistricting and ideological polarization on the current composition of the House, with more and more members worried less about the general election than about primary challenges, why would progressive bigshots expect a nationwide messaging campaign for gun control to shake loose a critical mass of Republican votes? Answer: They don’t. The irony of all the Democratic rhetoric lately about how they need to move quickly and ram something through before public interest fades is that they’re actually playing a longer game.

Actually, their game really is to win on the state level in those states where the citizenry is primed and the state house and governor are their allies. Connecticut, New York, Illinois, Rhode Island, etc. They figure with this drum beat, they can get those states to “do the right thing.” Then, either they get a wave going, or else at least they create their perceived safe havens.

Hence, what everyone is missing here — including (from my seat here in Connecticut) the NRA — is that all the pro-gun happy talk about public opinion is beside the point. We’re at serious risk in places that our side isn’t paying attention to, and we are pretending it isn’t happening and thus not investing resources. They’re prepping the battlefield where they can win and the NRA and we are ignoring it.

Where have I seen this story before?

FiveG on January 11, 2013 at 5:02 AM

wildcat72 on January 10, 2013 at 10:59 PM

Wildcat72, that is one of the most accurate run downs I’ve ever read here. I spent six years as an infantryman with the 82nd and 101st. The three round burst in the A3 and M4 is probably the best adaptation in a basic weapon I’ve seen for disciplined fire. Even the guys on the M240 and SAWs tended to work their rates of fire into shorter bursts. If we had a guy who just ran trough a belt or magazine, we’d try to correct or replace them.

If you read the account of the day SSG Hester got her Silver Star, you’ll find she used very controlled bursts in a very big crowd of insurgents. Anything less would have had her run through her belt too quickly and trying to reload while she was being rushed.

smoothsailing on January 11, 2013 at 7:26 AM