2016: Hillary 44, Christie 42

posted at 4:58 pm on January 10, 2013 by Allahpundit

This poll won’t matter three years from now when we find ourselves caught up in an epic Stan McChyrstal vs. Mike Huckabee battle for the soul of America, but for now it’s a fun time-waster on a painfully slow news day.

Two overrated media darlings enter, one overrated media darling leaves:

57% of Democrats would like Clinton to be their candidate in 2016. Only Joe Biden at 16% also hits double digits. Beyond them it’s Andrew Cuomo and Elizabeth Warren at 4%, Martin O’Malley at 3%, Deval Patrick and Mark Warner at 2%, and Kirsten Gillibrand and Brian Schweitzer at 1%…

The most epic possible 2016 match up at this early point would be between Clinton and Chris Christie. She leads him just 44-42. But our poll indicates getting the Republican nomination could prove to be quite a challenge for Christie. Right now Rubio leads the GOP field with 21% to 16% for Ryan, 15% for Mike Huckabee, 14% for Christie and Bush, 5% for Rand Paul, 3% for Bobby Jindal, and 2% each for Susana Martinez and Rick Perry.

The independent streak that makes Christie such a strong potential general election candidate also hurts him with GOP primary voters. His +15 net favorability rating at 44/29 is the weakest of any of the Republicans within the party base except for Martinez, who’s relatively unknown, and Perry whose disastrous 2012 bid for the office has left him with mediocre numbers.

Christie polls at 32% among moderate Republicans as their top choice for the office in 2016…but at only 4% among voters describing themselves as ‘very conservative.’

Neither Jeb, Ryan, nor Rubio polls within 10 points of Clinton. Christie trails by just two. Why? Because it wasn’t just Republicans who noticed his ostentatious, camera-ready display of bipartisanship with The One a few days before the election. He’s actually more popular with Democrats now than he is with Republicans:


PPP polled the favorable ratings of 18 different prominent national pols. Not only was Christie’s +28 spread the most positive of any of them — even the famously popular Hillary Clinton managed just +15 — but only five managed a net positive rating overall. It’s not just centrist Democrats who are boosting him up either, and it’s not just whites:


The only other Republican polled who had net-positive favorables among black voters was Susana Martinez, and she was only +9. Head to head with Hillary, Christie pulls 19% of African-Americans. (Interestingly, despite a favorable rating among that same demographic of 20/55, Jeb Bush pulls 22%.) I take it this is all ephemeral, that he’s riding a wave of goodwill among Democrats right now due to his Sandy visibility and that it’ll all go away sooner rather than later, especially if Hillary decides not to run and the media switches into “stop Christie now” mode. But if he does run in 2016, stuff like this will be his biggest selling point in the primaries. The lesson of the last two elections is that most Republicans really, really prize alleged “electability,” even at the expense of conservative bona fides. You’d think they’d be ready to gamble on someone more ideological after McCain and Romney washed out, but I don’t know. Some may reason that the big problem with Maverick and Mitt is that they weren’t “electable” enough, and that in a country that seems to be turning bluer the obvious solution is to nominate a guy who won twice in a deep blue state and whom blue voters nationally already know and like. The problem for Christie is that Rubio’s an impressive enough retail politician in his own right that GOPers on the fence might opt for him on the theory that they’d only be sacrificing a little electability in return for a lot more reassurance on principle. Hard to see the big man getting through the primary, but the more he can sustain numbers like this, the more he and Moneybags Mike Bloomberg might decide that a third-party independent bid isn’t a hopeless cause after all.


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The 3rd world will not take this insult lying down!

rightmind on May 15, 2013 at 2:35 PM

reasonous little worm.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 15, 2013 at 1:38 PM

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John the Libertarian on May 15, 2013 at 2:37 PM

57% Want IRS Offenders Jailed or Fired

Resist We Much on May 15, 2013 at 1:34 PM

We are only supposed to pay attention to polls when they are in favor of prog programs, like Gay Marriage and the 99.999% of people that want background checks.

slickwillie2001 on May 15, 2013 at 2:42 PM

such a shame that Rubio had to tie himself to the amnesty shame. there are so many other issues he could have tackled and lead on.

he communicates well and could really be a leader in the conservative movement. why not be the voice for americans who are unemployed or suffering because of this economy. instead he wants to be the voice of a few who broke the law…

not to get off-topic, but why is it that we have all these first termers eyeing the presidency. hasn’t Obama proven that experience is needed??

jetch on May 15, 2013 at 2:44 PM

This is the kind of crap that happens in the power-tripping, censoring, centrally-planning, and election-stealing corruptocrat bureaucracies in third-world countries run by dictators and communists, not in an affluent democracy republic.

Corrected!
Sorry… pet peeve.

Dexter_Alarius on May 15, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Rubio needs to STFU. If he gets his way on immigration, presidents like Obama will become the norm, as the U.S. will actually become a Third World country.

Travis Bickle on May 15, 2013 at 2:56 PM

what’s become clearly apparent is a culture throughout the federal government… that basically use the government as an instrument of political activity that target your political opponents to make life difficult for people that are saying things you don’t like, to make life difficult for whistleblowers… And I believe that all that comes from the top of any organization.

Absolutely.

We’re gonna punish our enemies and we’re gonna reward our friends

- Barack Obama

ITguy on May 15, 2013 at 2:57 PM

For the socialists/Obama that is where they wanted to go. Mission accompished.

TerryW on May 15, 2013 at 2:57 PM

Wow, almost universal condemnation of Rubio. His descent to “Christie” status has been amazing.

Doomberg on May 15, 2013 at 1:57 PM

He’s a blowhard. All rhetoric. He reminds me more of McCain than Christie, though. McCain: a tough “conservative” in foreign affairs allows him to slime his way through and be liberal in every other area. Rubio: strong populist rhetoric about America the Wonderful lets him slime his way through amnesty. Clever demagogue.

Burke on May 15, 2013 at 3:04 PM

Rubio just trying to deflect attention away from his final destruction of America plan.

oldroy on May 15, 2013 at 3:09 PM

just wait till amnesty boy gets his immigration passed, then we will be third world

burserker on May 15, 2013 at 3:11 PM

Well, I see that Rubio has found himself another bandwagon on which to jump. He’s such a joke; I wish he’d refrain from commenting on anything.

MustLoveBlogs on May 15, 2013 at 3:11 PM

And they that with accursed zeal
Our Service would amend,
Shall own the odds and come to heel
Ere worse befall their end
For though no naked word be wrote
Yet plainly shall they see
What pinneth Orders to their coat,
And, Hey then up go we!

Rudyard Kipling
The Song of the Old Guard

No Truce With Kings on May 15, 2013 at 3:12 PM

Rubio is the kind of filthy, corrupt, lying TRAITOR who needs to be removed from office – HE is no different from obama.

Pork-Chop on May 15, 2013 at 3:14 PM

A poll just came out that shows that 72% of Hispanic voters are perfectly fine with the IRS targeting Tea Party and other Conservative groups.

Rubio had better hurry up and pass an immigration bill if he wants to get the Hispanics to hate us a little bit less. The GOP’s electoral future hinges on it!

ardenenoch on May 15, 2013 at 3:18 PM

And you, Marco, want to work with him on Amnesty???? You sir are a fool should stop this amnesty push

sadsushi on May 15, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Rubio: These are the kinds of scandals you see in the third world

Absolutely!

And where the heck do you see us spiraling towards, with $16 Trillion in debt and the Chinese, Russkies and even Venezuela outmaneuvering us?

BlaxPac on May 15, 2013 at 3:50 PM

Rubio: These are the kinds of scandals you see in the third world

Shut your mouth you despicable little worm. Have you no shame? With your amnesty you want to turn America into the third world.

VorDaj on May 15, 2013 at 3:51 PM

Rubio should know, he is helping to fashion the US third-world.

Panther on May 15, 2013 at 3:56 PM

Rubio should know, he is helping to fashion the US third-world.

Panther on May 15, 2013 at 3:56 PM

Rubio wants to speed up the process of turning the U.S. into a corrupt Third World nation, which is why he’s been pimping the “gang of 8″ amnesty bill that would lay out the welcome mat for tens of millions (or even hundreds of millions, with chain migration) of low-skill, low-education, non-English-speaking, Socialist/big government-voting foreigners.

AZCoyote on May 15, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Yeah Rubio, it’s almost like the scandals you see in Mexico. Almost.

devil dog on May 15, 2013 at 4:01 PM

Rubio needs to STFU. If he gets his way on immigration, presidents like Obama will become the norm, as the U.S. will actually become a Third World country.

Travis Bickle on May 15, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Nonsense….according to Heritage, who just put out a report that even conservatives think is crap….Rubio actually has a 96% conservative rating…compared to 76% for Sessions…and 84% for King. But to some people, conservative means maintaining the status quo. Not fixing things. Not listening to the people…Nope, apparently is better to hang with the zero population wackos than it is to give respect to a man like Marco Rubio. BTW, considering the fact that hardliners have not accomplished anything other than to alienate and entire demographic maybe you guys are the ones who making sure that presidents like Obama are the norm.

Terrye on May 15, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Rubio wants to speed up the process of turning the U.S. into a corrupt Third World nation, which is why he’s been pimping the “gang of 8″ amnesty bill that would lay out the welcome mat for tens of millions (or even hundreds of millions, with chain migration) of low-skill, low-education, non-English-speaking, Socialist/big government-voting foreigners.

AZCoyote on May 15, 2013 at 3:58 PM

yeah….let’s just keep things the way they are..that is working out so well.

Terrye on May 15, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Yeah Rubio, it’s almost like the scandals you see in Mexico. Almost.

devil dog on May 15, 2013 at 4:01 PM

3 out of 10 illegals are from Mexico…almost 40% are people who have overstayed their visas and never crossed that southern border at all. If you guys have your way, that will not change. There will not be any additional funding for the border. There will not be any background checks or any e-verify..nada..you will just go on running of hispanic voters, handing them over to Democrats and then complain about the inevitable outcome of your own rhetoric.

Terrye on May 15, 2013 at 4:28 PM

That #itch Rubio is becoming monstrous intolerable. When are Levin, Limbaugh and Hannity going to man up for America and call him out and denounce him. Those three need to choose between America and their darling little boy Rubio. They keep telling us how against amnesty they are but they all just love them it’s main pusher, faceman and spokesmouth. What the hell is wrong with them? It’s like someone saying how much they hate communism but they think Stalin is such a great guy. They all need an enema.

VorDaj on May 15, 2013 at 4:31 PM

Rubio is the kind of filthy, corrupt, lying TRAITOR who needs to be removed from office – HE is no different from obama.

Pork-Chop on May 15, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Rumor is that since Trayvon is no longer available Barack and Michelle are thinking about adopting Marco as their new son.

VorDaj on May 15, 2013 at 4:34 PM

But to some people, conservative means maintaining the status quo.

Terrye

To idiots like you, conservative means passing amnesty for Ted Kennedy, Chuck Schumer and Barack Obama.

Now lie to us some more about what conservatism means to some of us, closet democrat.

xblade on May 15, 2013 at 4:36 PM

yeah….let’s just keep things the way they are..that is working out so well.

Terrye

Yeah, when the status quo sucks, the obvious solution is to make things worse.

xblade on May 15, 2013 at 4:40 PM

Hey Marco!! Reciprocity from the rest of the world for those of us who want to work, open businesses and live wherever we would like. Short of full reciprocity….STFU.

oldroy on May 15, 2013 at 5:19 PM

We the people have to accept the problem before we find a solution.

We are under the total control of an Two Party Evil Money Cult with its power base in Washington D.C..

The IRS head who lied to Congress on this crap was a Bush appointee.

Republican.

The IRS hea who will lie to Cogress and U.S. that every thing is fixed will be a Democrat.

Until we get that, accept that, deal with that, the same thing that has been going on for he last 60 years will just get worse.

The Tax and Spend both of them together.

They are to con operation.

We are the marks.

Fight.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 15, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Uganda comes to mind and Cuba, too.

Kissmygrits on May 15, 2013 at 7:35 PM

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