Video: Secret gun-rights provision in ObamaCare?

posted at 8:01 am on January 9, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

By golly, Nancy Pelosi was right — they didn’t know what was in ObamaCare until it passed! Of course, in this case all she needed to do was ask her buddy Harry Reid, who apparently sandbagged his party’s gun-control wing by inserting an interesting clause in the 2800-page bill that no one in Congress bothered to read before voting on it. CNN’s Jim Acosta reveals the restriction on firearms-registration data collection built into the 2010 law:

The reason Reid inserted this clause, CNN reports without ever having actually talked to Reid (he declined comment), was to make the NRA “benign” in the ObamaCare fight — and to push back against “conspiracy theorists” who claimed that the bill would allow Barack Obama to start grabbing guns. Hey, that would never happen, right? Sure.

In any case, this isn’t that much of a bar on Congressional action. What can be done in this manner can be undone in the same manner. I’d keep an eye on any thousand-page bill rushed to the floor in this session to see if Reid reverses course.


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HAHAHA!!

BigGator5 on January 9, 2013 at 8:05 AM

and to think that all these gun grabbers have been trying to repeal it!

sesquipedalian on January 9, 2013 at 8:05 AM

Obamacare: the gift that keeps on giving.

indypat on January 9, 2013 at 8:06 AM

Heh

DarkCurrent on January 9, 2013 at 8:06 AM

This is what pisses me off about Congress. What does gun registration have to do with the seizure of the private health system? These people ever hear of clean bills?

Oh, on a side note- I wonder if that obese child they show next to the rat-eared wonder ever lost the weight or if he is a few years older, a few years fatter, and even more of a parasite with no redeeming value for society (outside of being a prop for a socialist pig).

Happy Nomad on January 9, 2013 at 8:07 AM

ObamaCare……..Abortion for Adults.

But oh so compassionate.

PappyD61 on January 9, 2013 at 8:11 AM

Like it would make any difference once Jugears starts signing his gun-control EOs.

SagebrushPuppet on January 9, 2013 at 8:12 AM

Look at the CNN screen cap. The scroll:

“Gun language infects health care bill. How NRA got its way and which top Dem. helped.”

Nothing accusatory there.

Axe on January 9, 2013 at 8:13 AM

Yeah great, I wonder what else is hidden in there.

Bishop on January 9, 2013 at 8:15 AM

Yeah great, I wonder what else is hidden in there.

Bishop on January 9, 2013 at 8:15 AM

Well, for one thing, there’s the “slap yourself in the face four times a day” clause …

SagebrushPuppet on January 9, 2013 at 8:17 AM

Right about this time, Dianne Feinstein must be ready to tear Harry Reid apart with her teeth.

pilamaye on January 9, 2013 at 8:18 AM

sesquipedalian on January 9, 2013 at 8:05 AM

Scared of boomstick.

CurtZHP on January 9, 2013 at 8:19 AM

The right to own firearms cannot be affected by Obamacare in any way. REPEAL it now.

ROCnPhilly on January 9, 2013 at 8:21 AM

and to think that all these gun grabbers have been trying to repeal it!

sesquipedalian on January 9, 2013 at 8:05 AM

What’s even funnier is that you got screwed by one of your own and you are thanking him.

You idiot leftys will even find a way to reconcile euthanasia when it begins under 0bamacare.

cozmo on January 9, 2013 at 8:23 AM

So, what I am getting out of this, is without their guns, the NRA is a bunch of spineless twits. They should have been more vocal about this deal, as it would have probably made Reid lose the power to pass Obamacare.

LoganSix on January 9, 2013 at 8:25 AM

Also the sticky wicket 1. that if what amounts to a national gun registration could be explicitly placed outside of a bill, it could just as easily have been placed into the bill, and 2. the implication that it needed to be placed outside of the bill to keep it from being implemented as a rule that was never even voted on.

Axe on January 9, 2013 at 8:26 AM

I like the derrogatory “infected”. The gunsnatchers are beginning their pressure campaign to force Dem Representatives to vote the “correct way” on the upcoming unConstitutional right-removal legislation.

Tyrants and traitors working hard for your destruction.

ROCnPhilly on January 9, 2013 at 8:29 AM

Yeah great, I wonder what else is hidden in there.

Bishop on January 9, 2013 at 8:15 AM

This is HIPPA not ObamaCare (on drudge) but it shows how twisted things can get. Summary: it’s a HIPPA violation to record police in public now if somebody’s holding a check or paperwork.

Fenris on January 9, 2013 at 8:31 AM

It is not often that we get to see someone knife themselves in such a discrete way. Now, noone will trust him.
Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.

Jabberwock on January 9, 2013 at 8:35 AM

LoganSix on January 9, 2013 at 8:25 AM

The NRA is a single issue organization. Which is okay in a sense, but they’re way too naive about politician’s reliability and motives. Or too cynical, sometimes it’s hard to tell the difference.

Fenris on January 9, 2013 at 8:35 AM

“And, so how do you think it got in there?”

“I don’t know. *ahmm* I’m assuming the NRA put it in at the last minute.”

LOL

Fallon on January 9, 2013 at 8:38 AM

Too bloody funny

Reid acted stupidly
-dear leader

cmsinaz on January 9, 2013 at 8:40 AM

The NRA is a single issue organization. Which is okay in a sense, but they’re way too naive about politician’s reliability and motives. Or too cynical, sometimes it’s hard to tell the difference.

Fenris on January 9, 2013 at 8:35 AM

Is not the Second Amendment a single issue worth defending? Hell of a lot better single issue organization than Planned Parenthood’s war on children.

Happy Nomad on January 9, 2013 at 8:41 AM

With the bill’s size, complexity, and transparency of development, I would not put it past some conservative-minded clerk to write the chapter on his own and sneak it into the copy to be signed.

Archivarix on January 9, 2013 at 8:42 AM

What’s even funnier is that you got screwed by one of your own and you are thanking him.

You idiot leftys will even find a way to reconcile euthanasia when it begins under 0bamacare.

cozmo on January 9, 2013 at 8:23 AM

The parasites that still support Obama are low-intelligence lapdogs. They are too damned stupid to discern when they are being screwed- even by the ones they support. Not worth the effort discussing anything with them beyond what happened on the last episode of Honey Boo Boo or Dance Moms.

Happy Nomad on January 9, 2013 at 8:43 AM

Not surprised. They didn’t even need the NRA, given the way it was passed in the dead of Christmas Eve unilaterally.

It is amazing that anyone could hold it, given all the pork in the package.

The biggest part problem are these emotionally volatile, violent people, not guns, sesquipedalian. Guns are just one way that they act out. It is a cultural (gangster, for example in Chicago; mental health treatment; glorification/legacy in media) issue.

Violence, not guns, is the issue. The number of guns involved in violence is well under 0.0001% of all the guns in the US.

We should be working on violence prevention, not gun control. But Liberals, as is well documented, try for the “easy fix” without regard to an “actual solution.” That, and they believe that government can solve all ills, without regard to the evidence to the contrary.

And yes, that means returning to values in our culture and respect for the rights and lives of others. To not sensationalize the next mass murderer.

Random thought: What if in video games where you get “killed” … you couldn’t play again for 24+ hours? That there were true consequences other than “reset” and kill again? Not suggesting we legislate that, or that it even would sell. Just random thought.

SO, pre-coffee ramble complete.

The problems with ObamaCare are plentiful. The no-registration provision shows the hypocrisy of the Left once more.

Bills need to be restricted to a single issue. (see: Sandy Pork)

NEXT Constitution: Term limits and truly open legislation need to be included.

———————-
And as for the “gun grabbers” trying to repeal it…I know you have it backwards. The “Gun Grabber” Liberals are the ones who passed the bill (as above.) The rest of us, well, we respect the Right recognized by the Second Amendment and don’t need anything regarding our Right to replace our government, through force if necessary, legislated.

ProfShadow on January 9, 2013 at 8:45 AM

Happy Nomad on January 9, 2013 at 8:41 AM

Yes, but the NRA doesn’t care about obamacare, which is what LoganSix was talking about. And the way the NRA goes about is teetering on the edge of disaster because they trust lefties who only support them until suddenly they don’t.

Fenris on January 9, 2013 at 8:45 AM

So, what I am getting out of this, is without their guns, the NRA is a bunch of spineless twits. They should have been more vocal about this deal, as it would have probably made Reid lose the power to pass Obamacare.

LoganSix on January 9, 2013 at 8:25 AM

Excellent observation.

Some proponents of the 2nd Amendment don’t even listen to the NRA anymore because it keeps “compromising” away guns and gun owners. There are people who consider the NRA to be America’s largest gun control organization. I can’t see how they are wrong.

ShainS on January 9, 2013 at 8:53 AM

and to think that all these gun grabbers have been trying to repeal it!

sesquipedalian on January 9, 2013 at 8:05 AM

I laugh when I consider your screen name alludes to some witty person of words. On the contrary, it would appear as though you have a 24/7 daily responsibility of being incredibly stupid here. Your comments, along with your ridiculous grammar style, are just inane.

So, Richard Noggin, here’s is the way we feel on both issues since you seem so confused. The fact remains that the stupid liberals who voted to pass this unConstitutional America destroying monster really “didn’t” read it. Your freaking experts were so sure this would be good for the Nation without even understanding it’s basic clauses. Clueless of the contents. So, your party just sucks. Second, the state by state refusal to set up exchanges is still a force to reckon with. So, we’re not done trying to neuter your health care monster by a long shot. Sniff over that while you suck down your plain oatmeal this morning. So, your party still sucks. Third, and foremost. You will not be taking any privately owned guns in your lifetime. (See what I did there?)

So, your party still at this point in my poorly structured but appropriately capitalized rant, sucks. Emotional and poor leaders. Pushing legislation they don’t even understand.

PS, I make less than 250 thousand dollars but my taxes just went up. Your imbecile said he wouldn’t raise taxes on the middle class. What?

When are you embarrassed?

hawkdriver on January 9, 2013 at 8:57 AM

Summary: it’s a HIPPA violation to record police in public now if somebody’s holding a check or paperwork.

Fenris on January 9, 2013 at 8:31 AM

.
From your link: “While handling a medical/check the welfare (call), (Henderson) was filming it. Data privacy HIPAA violation…”
.
There is no paperwork or bank check involved here. Did you interpret this? It’s a “medical” or “check the welfare of the individual” assignment for the officer. Jeeze Loueezze!

ExpressoBold on January 9, 2013 at 8:57 AM

LOL

Fallon on January 9, 2013 at 8:38 AM

The way she said it, too. :) A hundred years ago, she would have put her finger by her nose and winked or something.

Axe on January 9, 2013 at 9:00 AM

So, your party still at this point in my poorly structured but appropriately capitalized rant, sucks.

hawkdriver on January 9, 2013 at 8:57 AM

LOL

Axe on January 9, 2013 at 9:02 AM

ExpressoBold on January 9, 2013 at 8:57 AM

I did misread that. It only makes it worse.

Fenris on January 9, 2013 at 9:05 AM

So, sesquipiddlesitself; more people were killed with claw hammers in’11 than by ‘assault weapons’ – are we banning hammers soon?

Midas on January 9, 2013 at 9:06 AM

So, sesquipiddlesitself; more people were killed with claw hammers in’11 than by ‘assault weapons’ – are we banning hammers soon?

Midas on January 9, 2013 at 9:06 AM

Which One Should Be Banned?

Axe on January 9, 2013 at 9:10 AM

Turns out Liberals were against gun registration before they were for it:

(http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3590enr/pdf/BILLS-111hr3590enr.pdf, begins page 766)

Directly from the “Affordable Care Act” itself:

SEC. 2717 ø42 U.S.C. 300gg–17. ENSURING THE QUALITY OF CARE.
….
( c ) PROTECTION OF SECOND AMENDMENT GUN RIGHTS.—As
added by section 10101(e)(2)
(1) WELLNESS AND PREVENTION PROGRAMS.—A wellness
and health promotion activity implemented under subsection
(a)(1)(D) may not require the disclosure or collection of any information
relating to—
(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully-possessed
firearm or ammunition in the residence or on the property
of an individual; or
(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm
or ammunition by an individual.
(2) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION.—None of the authorities
provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection
and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that
Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the collection
of any information relating to—
(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or
ammunition;
(B) the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition; or
(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition.
(3) LIMITATION ON DATABASES OR DATA BANKS.—None of
the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient
Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by
that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used to
maintain records of individual ownership or possession of a
firearm or ammunition.
(4) LIMITATION ON DETERMINATION OF PREMIUM RATES OR
ELIGIBILITY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE.—A premium rate may not
be increased, health insurance coverage may not be denied,
and a discount, rebate, or reward offered for participation in a
wellness program may not be reduced or withheld under any
health benefit plan issued pursuant to or in accordance with
the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment
made by that Act on the basis of, or on reliance upon—
(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or
ammunition; or
(B) the lawful use or storage of a firearm or ammunition.
(5) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION REQUIREMENTS FOR
INDIVIDUALS.—No individual shall be required to disclose any
information under any data collection activity authorized
under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an
amendment made by that Act relating to—
(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or
ammunition; or
(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm
or ammunition.

And look who voted for it:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/111-2009/s385
(HINT: All Democrats!…Feinstein included.)

ProfShadow on January 9, 2013 at 9:12 AM

I wonder if that obese child they show next to the rat-eared wonder ever lost the weight or if he is a few years older, a few years fatter, and even more of a parasite with no redeeming value for society (outside of being a prop for a socialist pig).
Happy Nomad on January 9, 2013 at 8:07 AM

Oh they have plans for him.

Akzed on January 9, 2013 at 9:13 AM

So, sesquipiddlesitself; more people were killed with claw hammers in’11 than by ‘assault weapons’ – are we banning hammers soon?
Midas on January 9, 2013 at 9:06 AM

Which One Should Be Banned?

Axe on January 9, 2013 at 9:10 AM

Yep, I posted that in another thread yesterday, too.

Midas on January 9, 2013 at 9:13 AM

Midas on January 9, 2013 at 9:06 AM

And by more accidents in swimming pools that in gun accidents. No “soup” for you!

ROCnPhilly on January 9, 2013 at 9:14 AM

Think of the laughs when it’s discovered that the new 1,000 gun ban law includes a repeal of BarkyCare hidden deep inside.

The resultant circus in Liberal Town would be almost be worth it.

Bishop on January 9, 2013 at 9:16 AM

Another thief gets his due- from a gun owner:

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/01/09/victim-shoots-man-who-robbed-him.html

CW on January 9, 2013 at 9:19 AM

Another thief gets his due- from a gun owner:

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/01/09/victim-shoots-man-who-robbed-him.html

CW on January 9, 2013 at 9:19 AM

Another victim of high capacity shoulder things that go up.

Stop the madness, ban bullet capacity clips with high magazines.

Bishop on January 9, 2013 at 9:22 AM

From CW’s link.

Heather Waters, who heard the gunshot from her house across the street, said the neighborhood on the Hilltop is fairly quiet and robberies aren’t common.

“There’s no shootings,” she said. “We never have anything like this.”

Probably won’t get much more after this either. Oh, unless they disarm private citizens of their weapons. Because criminals will not turn theirs in.

hawkdriver on January 9, 2013 at 9:24 AM

You know, while the Ministry of Government Health Control cannot bill you more for firearm ownership or possession, it seems they CAN charge you more for your swimming pool and based on the number of hammers you have in your possession.

I see room here for an HHS requirement that all box home improvement stores and hardware stores to require a background check and three day waiting period on all hammers. Sledge hammers, because they are big and scary will become “Type III” tools and will require a $200 dollar a year fee to own.

Cocaine, however will be made freely available in our schools right next to the condom dispenser.

ROCnPhilly on January 9, 2013 at 9:26 AM

Bishop on January 9, 2013 at 9:22 AM

You’ll think it’s all a bunch of jokes until they ban one of your high capacity muzzle loading, magazine clip … thingies.

hawkdriver on January 9, 2013 at 9:27 AM

Another thief gets his due- from a gun owner:

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/01/09/victim-shoots-man-who-robbed-him.html

CW on January 9, 2013 at 9:19 AM

I bet none of the anti-gun laws will be charged against the criminal, though chances are he illegally owned the weapon. Of course liberals will say nothing about that; they want only the legal guns.

Liam on January 9, 2013 at 9:32 AM

Liam on January 9, 2013 at 9:32 AM

They’ll also likely try to make the case that the perp was fleeing. If you listen to liberals, they almost despise people who have shot and prevented themselves from being victims. They are capable of conforming to any rationalization to fit their worldview. Anything to pass the legislation and rules they want.

hawkdriver on January 9, 2013 at 9:37 AM

I bet none of the anti-gun laws will be charged against the criminal, though chances are he illegally owned the weapon. Of course liberals will say nothing about that; they want only the legal guns.

Liam on January 9, 2013 at 9:32 AM

Of course not. All the really violent shooters vote democrat because democrats like them to be unemployed, barefoot and dependent. Otherwise, they might have to actually work for a living and have no time to attack their tax-paying benefactors.

ROCnPhilly on January 9, 2013 at 9:38 AM

Yeah great, I wonder what else is hidden in there.

Bishop on January 9, 2013 at 8:15 AM

This is HIPPA not ObamaCare (on drudge) but it shows how twisted things can get. Summary: it’s a HIPPA violation to record police in public now if somebody’s holding a check or paperwork.

Fenris on January 9, 2013 at 8:31 AM

HIPPA applies to health care professionals not to citizens in the public.

Dasher on January 9, 2013 at 9:40 AM

This is what pisses me off about Congress. What does gun registration have to do with the seizure of the private health system? These people ever hear of clean bills?

Happy Nomad on January 9, 2013 at 8:07 AM

What does gun registration have to do with health care?

Well, that was exactly the point of this “inserted clause”. It was added to make CERTAIN that the 2 issues remained separate. (Yeah, I know nothing is certain when it comes to politics.)

Depending on which state you live in and who your health care provider is, information about firearms ownership was already being collected. There were specific firearms related questions on the form I was asked to fill out for my last physical.

It is one thing for such information to be collected locally, but quite another for it to be collected on a national level and fed into the ObamaCare database.

Hence, there was concern that ObamaCare would be used to collect such information on a national level and be a form of back door registration or simply be used to “adjust” insurance rates for those who admitted to owning firearms.

climbnjump on January 9, 2013 at 9:51 AM

It is the law of the land. Just like they call the new tax rates permanent, it is only permanent until someone crosses their palms with some silver and it will be changed to suit them. Permanent means there is no sunset date included not chiseled in stone. If the excuse they give is that Reid was afraid of the NRA then how many other thingies are in the bill that would have upset some group somewhere that Reid might have been afraid of. This is not a way to run a country.

Kissmygrits on January 9, 2013 at 9:52 AM

HIPPA applies to health care professionals not to citizens in the public.

Dasher on January 9, 2013 at 9:40 AM

And yet, his camera was taken, video deleted, and he was charged with two crimes a week later. If he hadn’t made a fuss, he probably wouldn’t have gotten the camera back, and probably not charged with the crimes either.

See how that works? You want to make a fuss and get your illegally confiscated guns back? Fine, we’ll just bury you with a bunch of made up charges. They’ve got plenty of legal material to work with, so don’t think they can’t find something.

Fenris on January 9, 2013 at 9:55 AM

Another thief gets his due- from a gun owner:

CW on January 9, 2013 at 9:19 AM

Had to laugh a little at that.

Spent a few days there last week. They don’t care much for fire arms there.

We ended up calling the Walther “stuffed bunny” to not ruffle any yankee feelings.

cozmo on January 9, 2013 at 10:01 AM

‘Gun Appreciation Day’ Seeks To Emulate Chick-fil-A Success, Scheduled For Jan. 19
http://cnsnews.com/blog/joe-schoffstall/gun-appreciation-day-seeks-emulate-chick-fil-success-scheduled-jan-19

Pushing back against calls for greater gun control from some members in Congress, conservative groups have now launched a Chick-fil-A style ‘Gun Appreciation Day’ set to take place on January 19, 2013.

Idaho, Montana, Texas follow New York lead, release gun map
http://thepeoplescube.com/post153456.html#153456

Today, the states of Idaho, Montana, and Texas all followed the state of New York’s lead and released maps showing the residential locations of all gun owners in the states.

As in the case of the New York map, each red dot represents one gun owner.

Hint: You have to see the map with those states in Red.

Southern by choice22 on January 9, 2013 at 10:08 AM

And yet, his camera was taken, video deleted, and he was charged with two crimes a week later. If he hadn’t made a fuss, he probably wouldn’t have gotten the camera back, and probably not charged with the crimes either.

See how that works? You want to make a fuss and get your illegally confiscated guns back? Fine, we’ll just bury you with a bunch of made up charges. They’ve got plenty of legal material to work with, so don’t think they can’t find something.

Fenris on January 9, 2013 at 9:55 AM

The deleted video is a huge problem for the authorities. They can copy, but not delete.
Quite frankly, it is quite a conundrum. Lacking any video, where is proof he violated any rights by recording. Police say they did not erase it.
This one is goofy.

Jabberwock on January 9, 2013 at 10:11 AM

It is one thing for such information to be collected locally, but quite another for it to be collected on a national level and fed into the ObamaCare database.

Hence, there was concern that ObamaCare would be used to collect such information on a national level and be a form of back door registration or simply be used to “adjust” insurance rates for those who admitted to owning firearms.

climbnjump on January 9, 2013 at 9:51 AM

Keep in mind that part of Obamacare is to have all your records in a database that is used by Lord knows who for Lord knows what. You may think it will be kept local, but I wouldn’t count on that.

Night Owl on January 9, 2013 at 10:12 AM

ProfShadow on January 9, 2013 at 9:12 AM

The key word throughout that section of the Affordable Care Act is “lawful” as in lawful ownership, lawful storage, lawful use, lawful possession…

Right now, lawful ownership is under direct attack. Until recently, it was unlawful in DC to store firearms in your residence, and it took the Supreme Court to change that. Part of today’s fury is the strong push to restrict firearms useage to hunting only, making other uses unlawful. ‘Open carry’ (possession) is unlawful in many communities. And so forth.

While ACA appears to support gun rights, it is a fragile support. By making this or that firearms-related activity unlawful, its protection under the ACA disappers. The ACt is all-too-easily undermined without the necessisty of amending or repealing it.

ss396 on January 9, 2013 at 10:13 AM

Awwww… too bad for the Oppressives:

Wal-Mart Misses a Meeting With Biden on Gun Violence
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire

The White House extended an invitation to Wal-Mart Stores Inc. to participate in a meeting Thursday focused on curbing gun violence, but the retailer declined due to a scheduling conflict, a company spokesman said.

Maybe Wal-Mart doesn’t want to be a collaborator after all.

Galt2009 on January 9, 2013 at 10:18 AM

I laugh when I consider your screen name alludes to some witty person of words.

hawkdriver on January 9, 2013 at 8:57 AM

it’s a feature, not a bug.

sesquipedalian on January 9, 2013 at 10:24 AM

PS, I make less than 250 thousand dollars but my taxes just went up. Your imbecile said he wouldn’t raise taxes on the middle class. What?

hawkdriver on January 9, 2013 at 8:57 AM

he just cut your taxes by re-instating what used to be known as the bush tax cuts.

sesquipedalian on January 9, 2013 at 10:27 AM

“Infects”? Fair and balanced.

ConservativeLA on January 9, 2013 at 10:27 AM

And yet, primary care physicians are required to ask their patients if they own guns as part of the ObamaCare patient risk assessment.

Apparently whoever concocted the forms doctors must file didn’t get the memo.

xstatic on January 9, 2013 at 10:35 AM

This is HIPPA not ObamaCare (on drudge) but it shows how twisted things can get. Summary: it’s a HIPPA violation to record police in public now if somebody’s holding a check or paperwork.

Fenris on January 9, 2013 at 8:31 AM

It is not HIPPA violation. HIPPA only applies to healthcare providers, health insurers, employers, who provide insurance, medical clearinghouses, etc. It does NOT apply to citizens filming the actions of the police or anyone else in public.

It’s a BS charge, which will had better be dismissed.

Across the country, police departments/unions have been trying to find ways to combat citizens taping the actions of officers. Some laws have even been passed, IIRC, but have been struck down. Public servants such as police officers have NO EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY when performing their duties in public.

Resist We Much on January 9, 2013 at 10:39 AM

hawkdriver on January 9, 2013 at 8:57 AM
it’s a feature, not a bug.

sesquipedalian on January 9, 2013 at 10:24 AM

No, it stupid and irritating to think an adult posts here like some school girl texting. Not quaint. Not edgy.

he just cut your taxes by re-instating what used to be known as the bush tax cuts.

sesquipedalian on January 9, 2013 at 10:27 AM

Nope. My company just notified me in an email to expect it.

hawkdriver on January 9, 2013 at 10:41 AM

he just cut your taxes by re-instating what used to be known as the bush tax cuts.

sesquipedalian on January 9, 2013 at 10:27 AM

They are STILL KNOWN AS THE BUSH TAX CUTS and Progs/Obama just made 98% of them “permanent.”

Now, try financing a European-style welfare state by taxing only the “evil rich.”

Hint: It CANNOT be done. They have tried every way possible to “git er dun” in the UK and Europe and have failed. If you want a European-style welfare state, then you have to tax the middle class and the poor. This truism is why the tax systems in Europe have long been far less progressive than the US.

Now, when are you guys gonna break it to the middle class and the poor that you are going to tax the shit out of them?

Resist We Much on January 9, 2013 at 10:44 AM

Wal-Mart Stores Inc. will attend a meeting Thursday with Vice President Joe Biden focused on curbing gun violence, a company spokesman said.

Wal-Mart, the nation’s largest seller of guns and ammunition, had previously said it wasn’t able to attend the meeting due to scheduling conflicts.

“Knowing our senior leaders could not be in Washington this week, we spoke in advance with the vice president’s office to share our perspective,” Wal-Mart spokesman David Tovar said. “We underestimated the expectation to attend the meeting on Thursday in person, so we are sending an appropriate representative to participate.”

I hope they send annoyinglittletwerp, now that she just started her pistol training. I would cough up for pay-per-view to see that meeting :)

cane_loader on January 9, 2013 at 10:45 AM

he just cut your taxes by re-instating what used to be known as the bush tax cuts.

sesquipedalian on January 9, 2013 at 10:27 AM

Technically, you are correct.

In practice, though, the American worker doesn’t see the technicalities of the situation. If their paychecks go down, by simple definition, especially to low-information voters, their taxes just went up.

There are going to be some awakenings this month, as more and more folks see their first paychecks….

cane_loader on January 9, 2013 at 10:47 AM

sesquipedalian on January 9, 2013

…the penicillin no matter what the strength… isn’t working for your brain… is it?

KOOLAID2 on January 9, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Resist We Much on January 9, 2013 at 10:44 AM

Well, RWM, here is how your company breaks it to you.

All, please read important notice from payroll regarding payroll taxes.

Please be aware of the following changes to payroll for 2013. The first change will be immediate starting with January 4th payroll. The second will probably be noticed on the February 1st payroll.

1. Over the past two years there has been a temporary reduction in the Social Security payroll tax for all employees. The reduced rate was 4.20%. This ended as of December 31, 2012 because legislation did not pass the temporary reduction. We will be going back to the 6.20% for social security for all employees for taxable wages up to $113,700.

2. Payroll will be receiving an update for State Tax changes around January 15th.

If you have any questions, please contact me.

Thank you,

(Redacted, CPP)

hawkdriver on January 9, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Resist We Much on January 9, 2013 at 10:39 AM

Tell that to the police officer. Although I now see how the way I wrote that made it sound like I thought it was.

Fenris on January 9, 2013 at 10:48 AM

No joke.
He slipped it in.
He can easily load up another bill and remove it.

Hill60 on January 9, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Now, try financing a European-style welfare state by taxing only the “evil rich.”

Hint: It CANNOT be done

Of course it can be done–look at Greece and Spain’s success in that area.

Don L on January 9, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Tell that to the police officer. Although I now see how the way I wrote that made it sound like I thought it was.

Fenris on January 9, 2013 at 10:48 AM

It will be…when the charges are dismissed and, hopefully, the wrongfully accused and arrested files a lawsuit against him and his department.

Resist We Much on January 9, 2013 at 10:54 AM

Tell that to the police officer. Although I now see how the way I wrote that made it sound like I thought it was.

Fenris on January 9, 2013 at 10:48 AM

I just went and read the Drudge article. Further down, it says:

The allegation that his recording of the incident violated HIPAA, or the federal Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, is nonsense, said Jennifer Granick, a specialist on privacy issues at Stanford University Law School.

The rule deals with how health care providers handle consumers’ health information.

“There’s nothing in HIPAA that prevents someone who’s not subject to HIPAA from taking photographs on the public streets,” Granick said. “HIPAA has absolutely nothing to say about that.”

She had never heard of a case in which a law enforcement agency cited HIPAA to bar someone from recording, she said.

Resist We Much on January 9, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Resist We Much on January 9, 2013 at 10:54 AM

But now he’s charged with disorderly conduct and something else. Hard to disprove when they deleted the video (which they denied). Well, it was just an example of our ever expanding government.

Fenris on January 9, 2013 at 11:01 AM

But now he’s charged with disorderly conduct and something else. Hard to disprove when they deleted the video (which they denied). Well, it was just an example of our ever expanding government.

Fenris on January 9, 2013 at 11:01 AM

Without evidence, they have no case. Charges dismissed.

Resist We Much on January 9, 2013 at 11:05 AM

The allegation that his recording of the incident violated HIPAA, or the federal Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, is nonsense, said Jennifer Granick, a specialist on privacy issues at Stanford University Law School.

The rule deals with how health care providers handle consumers’ health information.

“There’s nothing in HIPAA that prevents someone who’s not subject to HIPAA from taking photographs on the public streets,” Granick said. “HIPAA has absolutely nothing to say about that.”

She had never heard of a case in which a law enforcement agency cited HIPAA to bar someone from recording, she said.

Actually, I had something similar happen here in south Louisiana. There’s a bad intersection in front of my cousin’s house where people keep running a stop sign and getting T-boned by 50-mph traffic. There have been at least two major collisions there each year as long as I can remember.

I visit her maybe twice a year. A few years ago, for the second visit in a row we heard a loud crash and go outside and a truck is overturned and a car’s up in someone’s front yard and there are crying kids, one with a huge goose egg on her head.

All the neighbors are out there helping pull people out of the vehicle… I got mad because I’m tired of government inaction in refusing to make it a 4-way stop, so I started taking pictures, specifically so the parent of the injured kid could use the photos to help get something done.

Sure enough, one of the ambulance workers came over and ordered me to stop taking pictures because I was violating the victims’ HIPAA rights. Didn’t seize my camera, but told me that if I didn’t stop, she would have me arrested for interfering with an ambulance crew.

So it’s not just a one-time thing. Someone has convinced a lot of emergency workers that no pictures of victims may be taken in public, due to HIPAA. Maybe it’s faulty training.

cane_loader on January 9, 2013 at 11:07 AM

She had never heard of a case in which a law enforcement agency cited HIPAA to bar someone from recording, she said.

Resist We Much on January 9, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Now she has.

Fenris on January 9, 2013 at 11:08 AM

What’s amazing is that two years after passing the bill, we still are finding out what is in it…surely any bill that takes two years to decipher shouldn’t exist.

right2bright on January 9, 2013 at 11:09 AM

Without evidence, they have no case. Charges dismissed.

Resist We Much on January 9, 2013 at 11:05 AM

After legal bills, time spent in court and loss of property. For no good reason. This clause in the Obamacare bill is not a good thing. It will be used against you in a similar way. They can’t collect information on legal gun ownership? What does a random government bureaucrat consider legal? And if collected illegally, will it ever be deleted? Who decides?

Fenris on January 9, 2013 at 11:13 AM

The bill gives them complete access to you financial records, so if you buy ammunition or cleaning materials, they know about it.

They have complete knowledge of every product you purchase, unless you use cash to buy everything. Just saying. This provision doesn’t help much.

dogsoldier on January 9, 2013 at 11:13 AM

My right to keep and bear any firearm I see fit to use to defend my country from tyranny and myself and my family from bodily harm doesn’t come from some piece of legislation–not even the oh-so-bitchin’ “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.”

Hell, it doesn’t even come from the Second Amendment.

It cannot be legislated, codified, amended or repealed.

It’s like trying to legislate or repeal the breathing of air.

The sooner all of the governing morons and the morons who voted for them realize this, the better we’ll all be.

*nyehh*

Dime IV on January 9, 2013 at 11:15 AM

he bill gives them complete access to you financial records, so if you buy ammunition or cleaning materials, they know about it.

They have complete knowledge of every product you purchase, unless you use cash to buy everything. Just saying. This provision doesn’t help much.

dogsoldier on January 9, 2013 at 11:13 AM

When loquesha buys kools and foties on her EBT, does that get reported too? Cause she may have a few head rolls and finger snaps for her primary care provider when they tell her she isn’t eligible for medicine or care due to her lifestyle.

tom daschle concerned on January 9, 2013 at 11:17 AM

But now he’s charged with disorderly conduct and something else. Hard to disprove when they deleted the video (which they denied). Well, it was just an example of our ever expanding government.

Fenris on January 9, 2013 at 11:01 AM

Nothing new under the sun. Lots of stories like this have been covered over at Reason.

chemman on January 9, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Now she has.

Fenris on January 9, 2013 at 11:08 AM

Was the person arrested? Was he charged? Do we have any evidence that this threat was made?

Without evidence, they have no case. Charges dismissed.

Resist We Much on January 9, 2013 at 11:05 AM

After legal bills, time spent in court and loss of property. For no good reason. This clause in the Obamacare bill is not a good thing. It will be used against you in a similar way. They can’t collect information on legal gun ownership? What does a random government bureaucrat consider legal? And if collected illegally, will it ever be deleted? Who decides?

Fenris on January 9, 2013 at 11:13 AM

I’m not talking about the provision in Obamacare. I am speaking of basic rules of evidence. If the police destroyed the evidence, ie, the videotape, then the prosecutor cannot prove the charges. My statement has absolutely nothing to do with Obamacare or HIPAA or healthcare, in general.

Resist We Much on January 9, 2013 at 11:36 AM

But now he’s charged with disorderly conduct and something else. Hard to disprove when they deleted the video (which they denied). Well, it was just an example of our ever expanding government.

Fenris on January 9, 2013 at 11:01 AM

They have to PROVE the charges.
At least that is how I think it works.

Jabberwock on January 9, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Resist We Much on January 9, 2013 at 11:36 AM

The article states that HIPPA was dropped and 2 weeks later he was charged with disorderly conduct and something else which I’m too lazy to go look at again. True, reporters get stuff wrong all the time, but whatever the details it sounds like a big hassle for him. Plus, he has now been charged multiple times with illegal activity including HIPPA violations and disorderly conduct. It doesn’t matter if the charges stick. Under ObamaCare this is pertinent information to collect, and if that makes it illegal for him to own guns (even using tortuous logic) then that is also fair game.

Fenris on January 9, 2013 at 11:43 AM

…This is what pisses me off about Congress. What does gun registration have to do with the seizure of the private health system? These people ever hear of clean bills?
Happy Nomad on January 9, 2013 at 8:07 AM…

Doctors are being recruited into the “control” debate, even though they are as ignorant as is the media. Consider a required benign conversation about home safety with your physician that ends with the state taking your children, or confiscating your (formerly)legally owned weapons. HIPPA doesn’t protect you from “accidential” exposure to the government (or the media, but I repeat myself), especially now that we have voted to become subjects rather than citizens.

trl on January 9, 2013 at 11:45 AM

And yet, his camera was taken, video deleted, and he was charged with two crimes a week later. If he hadn’t made a fuss, he probably wouldn’t have gotten the camera back, and probably not charged with the crimes either.
See how that works? You want to make a fuss and get your illegally confiscated guns back? Fine, we’ll just bury you with a bunch of made up charges. They’ve got plenty of legal material to work with, so don’t think they can’t find something.
Fenris on January 9, 2013 at 9:55 AM
The deleted video is a huge problem for the authorities. They can copy, but not delete.
Quite frankly, it is quite a conundrum. Lacking any video, where is proof he violated any rights by recording. Police say they did not erase it.
This one is goofy.
Jabberwock on January 9, 2013 at 10:11 AM

I have worked, trained, and had dinner many times with these two deputies mentioned in the story. Heck, I could give you there cell phone numbers if anyone has questions for them. I can tell you this is par for the course with Muellner and Eggers is a buffoon although I will say he sounded surprisingly level headed on his recording. There are a few honest, good deputies in the Ram Co S.O. but they are stuck in positions where they can’t make a difference. I was surprised when I saw the story…though not about the actors involved. btw, the young man they dealt with is an agitator looking for a pay day. No excuses, just saying.

TheAudacityofNOPE on January 9, 2013 at 11:56 AM

I laugh when I consider your screen name alludes to some witty person of words.

hawkdriver on January 9, 2013 at 8:57 AM
it’s a feature, not a bug.

sesquipedalian on January 9, 2013 at 10:24 AM

We call software snafu’s like that undocumented features, Hawk.

Tenwheeler on January 9, 2013 at 12:09 PM

If the police destroyed the evidence, ie, the videotape, then the prosecutor cannot prove the charges.

Resist We Much

Without evidence, they have no case. Charges dismissed.

Resist We Much

Yeah, right, lol. Meanwhile, back in the real world, people get charged and found guilty of disorderly conduct(among other things) every day without any video evidence to prove it. The cop saying it happened is all the evidence they need.

Now, in this case, it probably will be dismissed, but not because there is no video evidence. It will be because they fluked up to begin with by arresting him for a HIPPA violation and they’re trying to cover their azzes in the hopes that the kid won’t sue them.

xblade on January 9, 2013 at 12:20 PM

Yet, some hospitals have questionnaires with the item about gun ownership. Always answer NO. Never say n/a or Yes. Obama’care’ is not about affordability or care in any way. It’s about a central controlling system.

Goebbels orgasms in his grave, a lot. He’s having lots of balls.

Schadenfreude on January 9, 2013 at 12:28 PM

it’s a feature, not a bug.

sesquipedalian on January 9, 2013 at 10:24 AM

Literally

Schadenfreude on January 9, 2013 at 12:29 PM

I hope Reid ends up in a creche soon, with McCain and McConnell in the same room. The land is tired of charlatans.

Schadenfreude on January 9, 2013 at 12:31 PM

I laugh when I consider your screen name alludes to some witty person of words.

hawkdriver on January 9, 2013 at 8:57 AM

Au contraire, it suffers of this: hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia

Schadenfreude on January 9, 2013 at 12:39 PM

TheAudacityofNOPE on January 9, 2013 at 11:56 AM

I’m sure there is a lot more to the story. And people who are johnny on the spot with a video camera usually are agitators. And being a policeman or sheriff is a tough tough job.

Regardless of all that, the lefties will use this sort of thing to their advantage. They will wear us down and indoctrinate the next generation because that’s all people will have ever known.

Fenris on January 9, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Fenris on January 9, 2013 at 12:43 PM

So true…

TheAudacityofNOPE on January 9, 2013 at 12:53 PM

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