National Cathedral to begin performing gay weddings

posted at 8:14 pm on January 9, 2013 by Allahpundit

It’s nominally Episcopal but I’ve always thought of it as the beating heart of ceremonial deism, so no surprise that it would shift as the wider public does.

Say this for the dean, too: He makes no bones about his political intentions. Although if you’re head of the National Cathedral and reaching out to press a hot button, why bother doing that? Why pretend it’s a purely religious decision when it’s not?

“I read the Bible as seriously as fundamentalists do,” Hall told the AP. “And my reading of the Bible leads me to want to do this because I think it’s being faithful to the kind of community that Jesus would have us be.”

Celebrating same-sex weddings is important beyond the Episcopal Church, Hall said. Church debate is largely settled on the matter, allowing for local decisions, he said. The move is also a chance to influence the nation.

“As a kind of tall-steeple, public church in the nation’s capital, by saying we’re going to bless same-sex marriages, conduct same-sex marriages, we are really trying to take the next step for marriage equality in the nation and in the culture,” Hall said.

This comes on the same day that lefties are grumbling at Obama for letting the benediction at his inauguration be delivered by a pastor from Atlanta who opposes gay marriage, believes homosexuality is a sin, and thinks Christ can help lead gays out of their “lifestyle.” Looking forward to the official White House statement about how those views are allegedly too far out of the mainstream of Christian thinking to earn him a spot at the national table on the 21st.

Exit question: Second look at the blessings of atheism instead?


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The Lord is my shiter I shall not wait
Lets put anal marriage in the collection plate
And when pedophiles become PC
The child victims their spouses will be
Well marry them with their victims some day
Now all good pervs bow your heads and pray
And away in a manger with animals too
I love my doggie and she wags “I do”
So the Roman Circus has rolled into town
With the high priest of Gotham playing the clown…..

devan95 gson January 9, 2013 at 11:00 PM

devan95 on January 9, 2013 at 11:08 PM

devan95 on January 9, 2013 at 11:08 PM

Very classy. I can tell you spent a lot of time on that. You must be so proud of yourself. I can only hope none of your children is gay, although given your despicable attitude towards your fellow citizens who are gay, you’d be the last person they’d tell.

cam2 on January 9, 2013 at 11:20 PM

Once we begin to believe in bullshit and magic, we lose our ability to critically think and factually examine the world around us. We become victims of superstition and those who wish to take advantage of us. Those who believe the Bible is the literal truth are substituting a book with critical thinking, despite the fact that passages like Matthew 19:5 are factually incorrect.

ZachV on January 9, 2013 at 9:36 PM

If non belief leads to more critical thinking then The Soviet Union should have surpassed the United States in all aspects of society. However, we know how it turned out historically.

b1jetmech on January 9, 2013 at 11:32 PM

If non belief leads to more critical thinking then The Soviet Union should have surpassed the United States in all aspects of society. However, we know how it turned out historically.

b1jetmech on January 9, 2013 at 11:32 PM

zachv accepts his premise by blind faith, therefore facts will not detur him.

29Victor on January 9, 2013 at 11:58 PM

Exit question: Second look at the blessings of atheism instead?

Atheists can align with fundamental Catholics to fight this, if either side really wanted to. Just saying…

Myron Falwell on January 10, 2013 at 12:46 AM

Don’t support gay marriages?

Then don’t have one.

fatlibertarianinokc on January 9, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Ask Elaine Huguenin how tht worked out for her.

Rebar on January 10, 2013 at 1:14 AM

Tolerance is for those without convictions or values.

Nixcell on January 10, 2013 at 1:19 AM

Rebar on January 10, 2013 at 1:14 AM

I try to tell people that the issue isn’t as isolated as their movement would have you believe. They really are about destroying organized faith. Those lawsuits are increasing now also. There’s the same sex military couple here at Ft. Bragg that is forcing the wife into the family support group. She isn’t recognized by NC as a wife so she can’t get a military ID card. Its what integrating into the military was all about, forcing acceptance within a federal level organization.

There seems to be no room for respectful dissent. Get out of their way or they will destroy you.

smoothsailing on January 10, 2013 at 3:26 AM

These are episcopalians not Christisans and thus this isn’t a church it’s a left wing social hall with colorful windows.

tommyboy on January 10, 2013 at 6:07 AM

it’s a left wing social hall with colorful windows.

tommyboy on January 10, 2013 at 6:07 AM

Yeah, pretty much.

The whole gay marriage thing was never about equal rights. It was about forcing society to accept deviant behavior.

Othniel on January 10, 2013 at 6:43 AM

Sure, the dean “reads the Bible as seriously.” He just refuses to believe what he reads.

In Matthew 19:4-6, Jesus Himself gave a clear endorsement of His Father’s establishment of marriage as one man + one woman (Genesis 2:24):

“And He answered and said to them, ‘Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘For this reason, a man shall leave his father and mother, and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?…”

Question for the dean:

If you believe in Jesus, shouldn’t you also believe Jesus?

KyMouse on January 10, 2013 at 8:11 AM

Question for the dean:
If you believe in Jesus, shouldn’t you also believe Jesus?
KyMouse on January 10, 2013 at 8:11 AM

The best known episcopalian theologian, Shelby Spong, was quite upfront that he didn’t even believe IN Jesus. And he was a Bishop in that “church” for over 20 years.

tommyboy on January 10, 2013 at 8:41 AM

If I were single I would demand that the government force me to marry Katherine Webb.

Bishop on January 9, 2013 at 9:18 PM

No matter how good she looks, somebody somewhere is sick of putting up with her sh*t.

Shepherd Lover on January 10, 2013 at 9:17 AM

Touchy subject because I know a gay couple and one is the son of a very dear friend. He takes good care of his mother, but I don’t accept his lifestyle. This ‘dean’ has just perverted the sanctification of marriage in his church. God made man and then woman for man. Jesus never said anything that changed that. God destroyed a couple of cities that practiced the anything goes lifestyle as proof He didn’t and still doesn’t accept it. Where in the Bible will this ‘dean’ find the passage that justifies a marriage between a man and a young boy so that he can perform their wedding ceremony? He better start looking because pedophile normalization is just around the corner.

Kissmygrits on January 10, 2013 at 9:43 AM

I think the horse would likely object. A horse is not a consenting adult so it can’t enter into marriage or contracts.

lexhamfox on January 9, 2013 at 10:36 PM

But someone can get a horse “fixed” without its consent, by the way. Should that be a crime?

ddrintn on January 9, 2013 at 10:44 PM

If it is your horse you own it and you can do that. You still can’t enter into a contract with it.

lexhamfox on January 9, 2013 at 10:52 PM

So you’re saying that getting it fixed without its consent is a crime, since the horse can’t enter into a contract.

ddrintn on January 10, 2013 at 9:51 AM

Gay “marriage”. Why don’t you marry your goat or your labrador? Turn the cathedral into a barn.

God will not be mocked… A reckoning is coming for the United States and it isn’t going to be pretty…

Kuffar on January 10, 2013 at 9:56 AM

God will not be mocked… A reckoning is coming for the United States and it isn’t going to be pretty…

Kuffar on January 10, 2013 at 9:56 AM

That’s an understatement!

MelonCollie on January 10, 2013 at 10:28 AM

Tolerance is for those without convictions or values.

Nixcell on January 10, 2013 at 1:19 AM

So if I do have convictions or values, I’m supposed to force others to conform to my beliefs?

TMOverbeck on January 10, 2013 at 2:38 PM

I wonder where they’ll have the wine and cheese reception. Will chardonnay be served? This is so non-suprising to be almost ridiculous. Yawn.

Fuquay Steve on January 10, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Yeah, pretty much.

The whole gay marriage thing was never about equal rights. It was about forcing society to accept deviant behavior.

– Othniel on January 10, 2013 at 6:43 AM

Sure it has all been about forcing normal people to accept all those deviant sexual behavior of heterosexuals. What sane person would chose to be gay with all the hate expressed on just this one thread?

SC.Charlie on January 10, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Yuck.

potvin on January 10, 2013 at 7:06 PM

What sane person would chose to be gay with all the hate expressed on just this one thread?

SC.Charlie on January 10, 2013 at 6:20 PM

C’mon, you can come up with a better argument than that.

I mean what sane person would choose to be fat in this day in age, but many do?

Many people choose to do things that others discriminate and hate on. It doesn’t make it any less of a choice.

melle1228 on January 10, 2013 at 9:50 PM

Will they have those tasty raisin cakes the coven makes?

claudius on January 11, 2013 at 2:04 AM

despite the fact that passages like Matthew 19:5 are factually incorrect.

ZachV on January 9, 2013 at 9:36 PM

You haven’t done any homework. Someone told you the bible was inaccurate and you just believed them.

This is the passage you quoted – Matthew 19:5 English Standard Version (ESV)

‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh”.

In what way could anything there be “factually incorrect?”. Only an idiot would think the “become one flesh” was literal.

I’m going to assume you’re a lightweight, not an idiot. Practice up on your lefty dogma next time. You need more than half a quiver of bent arrows..

Squiggy on January 11, 2013 at 6:39 AM

I’m going to assume you’re a lightweight, not an idiot. Practice up on your lefty dogma next time. You need more than half a quiver of bent arrows..

Squiggy on January 11, 2013 at 6:39 AM

“Half a cylinder of blanks and a rusted Colt with a barrel tied in a square knot” was one apt description of leftist debating ability.

MelonCollie on January 12, 2013 at 9:53 PM

What sane person would chose to be gay with all the hate expressed on just this one thread?

SC.Charlie on January 10, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Oh noez! Those mean people on the Internet (on a forum I voluntarily come to) don’t LIKE me being gay! I’m scaaaared!

I’ve faced way worse than this for saying less. If this is all that it takes to make you doubt your sexual orientation, though you’re probably just whining, you have less spine than the GOP.

MelonCollie on January 12, 2013 at 9:56 PM

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