Piers Morgan: Alex Jones is the best advertisement for gun control you could wish for

posted at 4:01 pm on January 8, 2013 by Allahpundit

Last night’s cable-news car crash reminded me of how reporters used to go to tea-party rallies and seek out the nuttiest people they could find for self-discrediting quotes and photos. A cheap tactic to smear the whole group, but an effective one. Took Morgan awhile but somehow he figured out that insulting soft-spoken gun-rights advocates to their faces is less persuasive than letting a guy famous for 9/11 conspiracy theories shriek about guns and 1776 and the New World Order on camera for 15 minutes. Dave Weigel says the segment was actually proof of how lame an interviewer Morgan is since he failed to really challenge Jones at any point. I dunno. The segment was designed to be a freak show that would hopefully alienate fencesitters from the gun-rights cause. Why interrupt the star attraction during his performance? It’s like criticizing a skeptic for inviting the “experts” from “Ancient Aliens” on and then not asking thoughtful questions about aerodynamics. Just wind ‘em up and let ‘em go.

“He was the best advertisement for gun control you could wish for,” Morgan told POLITICO.

“That kind of vitriol, hatred, and zealotry is really quite scary. I didn’t feel threatened by him, but I’m concerned that someone like him has that level of influence,” Morgan said. “There’s got to be a level of discourse that can rise above what happened last night. It was undignified, unedifying.”…

“Sometimes it’s better to let somebody have the rope they need to tie themselves in knots,” Morgan told POLITICO, noting that he had been far more vocal and more passionate in previous interviews with gun advocates. According to Morgan, Jones continued ranting straight through the commercial break that divided the two-segment interview…

“He is clearly a smart guy under the craziness,” Morgan said. “Look, you could tell from the way he ranted that he’s not a stupid man. But that makes him more dangerous. There will be lots of people who follow him avidly who are not so intelligent, who believe everything he says.”

As a chaser after yesterday’s shot, skip to 2:40 and listen as Mike Bloomberg’s plot to assassinate Jones with NYPD mafia dressed as crackheads is exposed. Any follow-up questions, anyone?


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No…those are things he stated he would do.

The fantasy is in your belief system that ..apparently believes, that anyone who you don’t endorse must be lying or is untrustworthy.

He said he would get rid of coal power plants.
He said he would pass the Assault Weapons Ban and then said he wouldn’t.
He said he was for abortion and that he was against abortion.
He said he was a progressive and that he was severely conservative.

He said…

Who was your preferred candidate in 2012?

Mimzey on January 8, 2013 at 10:24 PM

Most of them didn’t run and they weren’t that great to begin with.

Of those who did run Gingrich, or Santorum because they at least had shown some willingness to cut government.

sharrukin on January 8, 2013 at 10:32 PM

So you disagree that Romney would have been a better president than Obama?

That has been my only argument – that Romney was better than Obama. That’s not saying a lot and it’s not high praise.

While you two are patting yourselves on the back for being wise sages,

kim roy on January 8, 2013 at 10:30 PM

No, it’s not that. It’s astonishment that so many were drooling idiots.

ddrintn on January 8, 2013 at 10:33 PM

The fantasy is in your belief system that ..apparently believes, that anyone who you don’t endorse must be lying or is untrustworthy.

Mimzey on January 8, 2013 at 10:24 PM

So what’s your problem with Obama? Past is not prologue and all that. Maybe he’ll turn around and be a Reagan rightie.

ddrintn on January 8, 2013 at 10:36 PM

You are unhinged. Jones did not say “kill Malkin”

Dante on January 8, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Amazing how you can see and hear exclusively what you want to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-DoxqvqjxM

He says it at 0:57-0:58 (After ranting 9/11 was an inside job and that Dick Cheney was planning to attack our own ships)

At 0:52 he starts with
Alex Jones: “Michelle Malkin of Fox news is right there”
Alex Jones’ lemmings: “boo!”
Alex Jones: “Kill Malkin!”

You lying for him just makes you as much of a scumbag.

V7_Sport on January 8, 2013 at 10:40 PM

No, it’s not that. It’s astonishment that so many were drooling idiots.

ddrintn on January 8, 2013 at 10:33 PM

I’ve never been your enemy. I hung in for Palin, went to Cain after she decided not to run and then Gingrich even with his baggage. I was even defending Palin’s comments on the primary continuing and maybe even a brokered convention.

Romney wasn’t even on my list but when that was the only choice to get rid of Obama I got on board. There are quite a few of us who made that adjustment.

Why do you forget this? You are arguing with a bunch of people who were reluctant Romney supporters who were trying to avoid the next four years, even if it would have been far from ideal?

We are not your enemy. Why are you treating us like it?

kim roy on January 8, 2013 at 10:40 PM

So you see no value in defeating Obama?

Mimzey on January 8, 2013 at 10:30 PM

Not really no.

The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their president.

I suspect that I see the problem as much deeper than you do. Obama will be replaced by another whose name might have been Clinton, or Romney, or what-have-you.

The problem remains the same and running a progressive who appeals to an electorate that wishes to vote its supper isn’t an answer.

sharrukin on January 8, 2013 at 10:40 PM

No one knew for sure. Anything could have happened.

kim roy on January 8, 2013 at 10:20 PM

The past 60+ years aside, of course.

You, Mimzey, V7 and others are hopelessly clueless. I only hope that someday intellectual curiosity will lead to the wool being removed from your eyes.

Dante on January 8, 2013 at 10:41 PM

Amazing how you can see and hear exclusively what you want to.

V7_Sport on January 8, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Given the entirety of this thread, this is truly irony.

Dante on January 8, 2013 at 10:43 PM

Of those who did run Gingrich, or Santorum because they at least had shown some willingness to cut government.

sharrukin on January 8, 2013 at 10:32 PM

You were ranting about 3rd party from the onset. That’s what made me think you were a Moby. The evidence just piles up.

V7_Sport on January 8, 2013 at 10:44 PM

The past 60+ years aside, of course.

You, Mimzey, V7 and others are hopelessly clueless. I only hope that someday intellectual curiosity will lead to the wool being removed from your eyes.

Dante on January 8, 2013 at 10:41 PM

I personally think federalism as a third party is the only hope, but it’s a long haul and something that will take a lot of time to undo the damages of liberalism and get people thinking again. That’s the main attraction of socialism on lazy/stupid/weak people – that it takes the hard work out of life because the government babysits you. That is attractive to a lot of people. Or at least they’ve been conditioned to believe that.

In the meantime, imho, mitigating damages and working towards that federalist party is the best course of action. IMHO, of course.

kim roy on January 8, 2013 at 10:46 PM

You were ranting about 3rd party from the onset. That’s what made me think you were a Moby. The evidence just piles up.

V7_Sport on January 8, 2013 at 10:44 PM

You just can’t think outside the establishment-approved thought spectrum.

Dante on January 8, 2013 at 10:46 PM

The evidence just piles up.

V7_Sport on January 8, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Treason is everywhere.

sharrukin on January 8, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Given the entirety of this thread, this is truly irony.

Dante on January 8, 2013 at 10:43 PM

Did I teach you a new concept? Irony? As in it’s ironic for a ron paul cultist to be calling anyone else a sheep?
Best to try not to use it everywhere kiddo, it didn’t apply this time around.

V7_Sport on January 8, 2013 at 10:47 PM

I personally think federalism as a third party is the only hope, but it’s a long haul and something that will take a lot of time to undo the damages of liberalism and get people thinking again. That’s the main attraction of socialism on lazy/stupid/weak people – that it takes the hard work out of life because the government babysits you. That is attractive to a lot of people. Or at least they’ve been conditioned to believe that.

In the meantime, imho, mitigating damages and working towards that federalist party is the best course of action. IMHO, of course.

kim roy on January 8, 2013 at 10:46 PM

Didn’t you say elsewhere that you voted for Romney?

Dante on January 8, 2013 at 10:48 PM

Treason is everywhere.

sharrukin on January 8, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Wishing for or sitting by and allowing the collapse of the country is treason. Rationalizing it the way you have is just stupid.

V7_Sport on January 8, 2013 at 10:50 PM

You just can’t think outside the establishment-approved thought spectrum.

Dante on January 8, 2013 at 10:46 PM

You can’t think, period. You just spout canned anarchist phraseology without any thought, and you’re not even physically capable of comprehending any of what you say.

MelonCollie on January 8, 2013 at 10:50 PM

You just can’t think outside the establishment-approved thought spectrum.

Dante on January 8, 2013 at 10:46 PM

You mean that I don’t spam internet polls for Ron Paul.
Just another paulbot/conspiratard.

V7_Sport on January 8, 2013 at 10:52 PM

Wishing for or sitting by and allowing the collapse of the country is treason.

V7_Sport on January 8, 2013 at 10:50 PM

Allowing suggests you have any choice, and yet when we ask you for THE PLAN to avoid this, you refuse to tell us what THE PLAN was exactly, except business as usual.

Let It Burn BTW, didn’t originate with me if that is what you are thinking. Look for your strawberries somewhere else Captain Queeg.

sharrukin on January 8, 2013 at 10:55 PM

Didn’t you say elsewhere that you voted for Romney?

Dante on January 8, 2013 at 10:48 PM

Did you not read that I said “mitigating damages”? Having another four years of Obama damage to have to clean up is not going to make the work easier.

kim roy on January 8, 2013 at 10:57 PM

sharrukin on January 8, 2013 at 10:55 PM

Allowing suggests you have any choice, and yet when we ask you for THE PLAN to avoid this, you refuse to tell us what THE PLAN was exactly, except business as usual

Yes, we covered this, “getting off your ass” was the other choice. You seem to think that voting is the end of your responsibility to the country and if the perfect candidate isn’t there it’s license to do nothing or throw your vote away. . The plan is “elect the best you can elect and hold their feet to the fire”.

Let It Burn BTW, didn’t originate with me

Good work, you latched on to a stupid, treasonous idea.

Look for your strawberries somewhere else Captain Queeg.

Nothing paranoid about holding you accountable for what you have written.
Here’s an idea: go live somewhere else.

V7_Sport on January 8, 2013 at 11:02 PM

Did you not read that I said “mitigating damages”? Having another four years of Obama damage to have to clean up is not going to make the work easier.

kim roy on January 8, 2013 at 10:57 PM

And voting for Establishment, progressive statist candidate B instead of Establishment, progressive staist candidate A is “mitigating damages”?

As I said, you’re hopelessly clueless. And unprincipled to boot.

Dante on January 8, 2013 at 11:05 PM

Dante! Oh how very surprised I am to find you on a thread about batsh*t crazy Alex Jones. Im shocked, shocked I tell you. As shocked as I was to find you trolling the Ron Paul threads.

Logboy on January 8, 2013 at 11:17 PM

At 0:52 he starts with
Alex Jones: “Michelle Malkin of Fox news is right there”
Alex Jones’ lemmings: “boo!”
Alex Jones: “Kill Malkin!”

You lying for him just makes you as much of a scumbag.

V7_Sport on January 8, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Alex Jones’s sins are far greater than just calling for Michelle Malkins death.

Alex Jones is one of the main leaders of an Al-Qeada propaganda cell known as “the 9/11 truth movement”. They are Al-Qeadas answer to the “if you see something, say something” meme that circulated after what Al-Qeada and the “truthers” hope to achieve is to throw up a smokescreen of bull@#$% that would cover AQ’s preparations for another attack.

Jones, by telling the world that there’s no such thing as terrorists, is essentially helping to carry out what could possibly be the murders of thousands, per haps even millions of his fellow Americans.

Alberta_Patriot on January 8, 2013 at 11:22 PM

I’m not entirely displeased that the left would see the right ask batsh** crazy dangerous. Hey, it got them to bow down to the muslims.

Ronnie on January 8, 2013 at 11:36 PM

(as)

Ronnie on January 8, 2013 at 11:36 PM

The true irony is that Piers is so detestable, even if he won the argument against Alex (don’t know because I refuse to watch the swarmy punk) most people won’t consider view him the winner because his opposition is built-in. They won’t listen to him.

I just want to know what dirt he has on top TimeWarner execs. Anyone else in his position would have been canned.

Myron Falwell on January 8, 2013 at 11:37 PM

Prediction: in two weeks, Piers will score the lowest ratings in his show’s history, CNN execs will be dumbfounded, and Piers will continue to spout Communist dogma. In short, nothing will really change.

Myron Falwell on January 8, 2013 at 11:44 PM

Jones, absent the 9-11 crap, responded as a man and this should be the template for all who appear on these shows- call them & others out on their pasts and the phoniness off all who support gun grabbing.

It was a welcome relief from the usual nancy boys who just sit back & take what the left deals out because they’ve been deballed and seem content to whine while the left eats their lunch.

Strange as it may seem the Crowder in Michigan incident was the last straw for me- Crowder had a foot on the union guy but, rather than beating him into the ground, whined like a baby.

Here at HA it’s nothing but screeds about what the House cannot do because it would upset this or that group. When you have the power you act, what about this is so hard for conservatives to understand?

Say what you want about the left but at least they fight. You lot, not so much- seems you’re content to whine about unfairness. How’s that working out for you?

The post about Musberger’s comments are a prime example- the deballing of America is, it seems, complete.

frank on January 9, 2013 at 12:02 AM

Amazing how you can see and hear exclusively what you want to.
V7_Sport on January 8, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Given the entirety of this thread, this is truly irony.
Dante on January 8, 2013 at 10:43 PM

I will admit that there is some ambiguity due to the fact that he goes behind someone, but if the video is accurate, it sure looks/sounds to me like he said it.

besser tot als rot on January 9, 2013 at 12:12 AM

You can’t think, period. You just spout canned anarchist phraseology without any thought, and you’re not even physically capable of comprehending any of what you say.

MelonCollie on January 8, 2013 at 10:50 PM

This country is so far from anarchy that we almost have to have an opening bid of anarchy to even hope to compromise our way to center-left statism.

besser tot als rot on January 9, 2013 at 12:15 AM

Wishing for or sitting by and allowing the collapse of the country is treason. Rationalizing it the way you have is just stupid.

V7_Sport on January 8, 2013 at 10:50 PM

Is that really true?

When a building is collapsing because of neglect, eventually EVERYONE writes it off. Some of them help tear it down so they can be rebuild it on a stronger foundation. Others talk and talk, but move to a different neighborhood.

phoenix, ashes, you know, that sort of thingy

WryTrvllr on January 9, 2013 at 12:21 AM

phoenix, ashes, you know, that sort of thingy

WryTrvllr on January 9, 2013 at 12:21 AM

The phoenix is a fairy tale. When this bird’s dead, it’s dead.

Ronnie on January 9, 2013 at 12:35 AM

The phoenix is a fairy tale. When this bird’s dead, it’s dead.

Ronnie on January 9, 2013 at 12:35 AM

No. Not even remotely. Before the Constitution and Declaration was the Magna Carta, and before that the Roman Senate and the Athenian Democracy.

It’s a cycle. People always rise up against tyranny and then democracy always gets knocked down. People like O’bozo have always existed.

You know the book never got finished….

As his feet pivoted from east to north to west and then to north again a tremendous fear grew slowly in the people, because they did not know how to defeat the passion of those in the reservations. Eventually their leaders didn’t either. And when the rising came, their ignorance and decadence was washed away.

or,, if you prefer:

God created Arakis to train the faithful.

The Phoenix isn’t a story about a bird. That’s why it’s not a myth.

WryTrvllr on January 9, 2013 at 1:13 AM

Before the Constitution and Declaration was the Magna Carta, and before that the Roman Senate and the Athenian Democracy.

WryTrvllr on January 9, 2013 at 1:13 AM

Never the same place twice, huh. Next one will probably be on Mars.

Ronnie on January 9, 2013 at 1:27 AM

Well, since we are running out of places to run to, the dynamics will change. Witness the orange revolution. Lech Walesa. etc. etc.

In the end, people just don’t like having to shoot an apple off their kids head.

But time passes slowly, and lessons need to be relearned.

I always love the firebreathers. Good fun. Better to bide your time.

WryTrvllr on January 9, 2013 at 1:39 AM

No. Not even remotely. Before the Constitution and Declaration was the Magna Carta, and before that the Roman Senate and the Athenian Democracy.

WryTrvllr on January 9, 2013 at 1:13 AM

The Magna Carta didn’t last. The Roman Senate was replaced with barbarism and decline, as were the Greek Democracies. Today you need to bribe about 10 people to get a working telephone in Rome and the last good thing to come out of Greece was Andrea Tantaros’ legs.

Our founding fathers were some of the most incredible men who have ever lived, the idea that we are producing the intellectual equivalent of Jefferson and Madison is or the moral equivalent of Washington is just a sad joke. Allowing what they left us to collapse is a crime against ourselves and civilization, indeed humanity. I honesty believe that. And it wouldn’t be replaced by anything better, we haven’t found anything better.
We have become incredibly decadent and I understand the temptation to let it all go to s#!t to teach the worst among us a lesson, but what will come out of that isn’t going to be anywhere near as good or as important or as special as what was given to us in our Constitution.
We need to be arguing how to get back to what made is great, not arguing whether we should just turn our backs on it because during difficult times something more then simply voting might be expected of us.

V7_Sport on January 9, 2013 at 1:42 AM

But time passes slowly….

WryTrvllr on January 9, 2013 at 1:39 AM

I wish.

V7_Sport on January 9, 2013 at 1:44 AM

kim roy on January 8, 2013 at 10:57 PM

.
And voting for Establishment, progressive statist candidate B instead of Establishment, progressive staist candidate A is “mitigating damages”?

As I said, you’re hopelessly clueless. And unprincipled to boot.

Dante on January 8, 2013 at 11:05 PM

.
Translation:

“All of you who voted for Mitt Romney instead of Ron Paul, SUCK”

listens2glenn on January 9, 2013 at 1:45 AM

The Magna Carta didn’t last. The Roman Senate was replaced with barbarism and decline, as were the Greek Democracies. Today you need to bribe about 10 people to get a working telephone in Rome and the last good thing to come out of Greece was Andrea Tantaros’ legs.

Our founding fathers were some of the most incredible men who have ever lived, the idea that we are producing the intellectual equivalent of Jefferson and Madison is or the moral equivalent of Washington is just a sad joke. Allowing what they left us to collapse is a crime against ourselves and civilization, indeed humanity. I honesty believe that. And it wouldn’t be replaced by anything better, we haven’t found anything better.
We have become incredibly decadent and I understand the temptation to let it all go to s#!t to teach the worst among us a lesson, but what will come out of that isn’t going to be anywhere near as good or as important or as special as what was given to us in our Constitution.
We need to be arguing how to get back to what made is great, not arguing whether we should just turn our backs on it because during difficult times something more then simply voting might be expected of us.

V7_Sport on January 9, 2013 at 1:42 AM

Where to start?

In all of those places Democracy still exists. People aren’t slaughtered by the thousands. They suffer from the ignorance of their populations. Granted, it’s an ignorance fed by their pseudointelligentsia, but hey, it is what it is.

“the republic will end when people learn that they can vote themselves other people’s money”

With regard to the founding fathers, I wholeheartedly agree. I often think that Franklin was the true linchpin. But don’t forget, they were vested landholders. Can you honestly expect a modern wage slave to have the same interests. Thats why the libs want us all to be wage slaves.

As far as whether it is a crime to let it collapse or not, even Franklin had his doubts. ( A republic, madam, if you can keep it) And let’s face it, it didn’t laast even four score and seven years.

And I am certainly not advocating turning our collective backs on it. I just honestly don’t believe it can be saved. Look on the bright side. Over the last 2000 years, things keep getting better. Otherwise you would not have had the priviledge of having lived under the constitution at all.

WryTrvllr on January 9, 2013 at 1:59 AM

And the Roman senate was actually quite rapidly replaced with Charlemagne. (in historical time measurements)

WryTrvllr on January 9, 2013 at 2:01 AM

Oh, and lastly, don’t misinterpret me. Even though I don’t think it can be saved, I do believe it is worth my last breath to slow the decay.

WryTrvllr on January 9, 2013 at 2:05 AM

“That kind of vitriol, hatred, and zealotry is really quite scary. I didn’t feel threatened by him, but I’m concerned that someone like him has that level of influence,” Morgan said.

That little green-eyed monster…

JohnGalt23 on January 9, 2013 at 2:54 AM

WryTrvllr on January 9, 2013 at 1:59 AM

Where to start?

In all of those places Democracy still exists.

We live in a Republic, it’s more difficult to keep in perpetuity.

People aren’t slaughtered by the thousands.

Not setting the bar too high…

“the republic will end when people learn that they can vote themselves other people’s money”

Almost: “The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.”

“And let’s face it, it didn’t laast even four score and seven years.”

I disagree.

And I am certainly not advocating turning our collective backs on it. I just honestly don’t believe it can be saved.

It has to be.

V7_Sport on January 9, 2013 at 3:35 AM

Alex Jones is a graduate of the same program that produced Hal Turner. and that should explain everything about what he’s doing.

http://www.northjersey.com/news/081110_Federal_judges_testify_they_felt_threatened_after_reading_blog_posts_by_Hal_Turner.html

warhorse_03826 on January 9, 2013 at 5:05 AM

WHY ARE ‘WE’ CONTINUING TO MAKE ANYTHING MORGAN SAYS ‘NEWS’?!

I am sure he enjoys the free publicity, but seriously – who cares what he says?! Perhaps that is why I hear his ratings are sagging, & he is fighting to keep his time slot/show on the air…enough about him already!

easyt65 on January 9, 2013 at 8:25 AM

Amazing how you can see and hear exclusively what you want to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-DoxqvqjxM

He says it at 0:57-0:58 (After ranting 9/11 was an inside job and that Dick Cheney was planning to attack our own ships)

At 0:52 he starts with
Alex Jones: “Michelle Malkin of Fox news is right there”
Alex Jones’ lemmings: “boo!”
Alex Jones: “Kill Malkin!”

You lying for him just makes you as much of a scumbag.

V7_Sport on January 8, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Your lie exposed

Dante on January 9, 2013 at 9:43 AM

“Due to overwhelming response to this transparent slander campaign, the Dallas Morning News removed an article by radio host Mark Davis, who falsely claimed Jones had called for the murder of Malkin. Unfortunately, the Dallas Morning News has not formally apologized to Alex or printed a retraction in its newspaper, instead simply pulling a memory hole, that is to say removing the post from its website in much the same way the old Soviet Union removed bureaucrats who had fallen from favor from the official history.”

Dante on January 9, 2013 at 9:45 AM

Alex Jones’s sins are far greater than just calling for Michelle Malkins death.

Alex Jones is one of the main leaders of an Al-Qeada propaganda cell known as “the 9/11 truth movement”. They are Al-Qeadas answer to the “if you see something, say something” meme that circulated after what Al-Qeada and the “truthers” hope to achieve is to throw up a smokescreen of bull@#$% that would cover AQ’s preparations for another attack.

Jones, by telling the world that there’s no such thing as terrorists, is essentially helping to carry out what could possibly be the murders of thousands, per haps even millions of his fellow Americans.

Alberta_Patriot on January 8, 2013 at 11:22 PM

Talk about tinfoil conspiracy.

Dante on January 9, 2013 at 9:46 AM

“Sometimes it’s better to let somebody have the rope they need to tie themselves in knots”.

Actually the quote goes like this:
“Sometimes it’s better to let somebody have the rope they need to hang themselves with”, which is figurative, but PM changed it to not be accused of encouraging AJ to literally kill himself.

Anyways, to AP’s comment that AJ is just some kookoo that was trumpeted by CNN to discredit the entire pro-gun crowd, I’d say that he’s not that fringe-y if you count his listenership.

According to Wiki he is syndicated on 60 radio stations. According to AJ himself that’s old info and it’s actually 140 radio stations.

He may be a loon, but he is not a lone loon by far. Actually, reading some Hot Air comments, I think a large percentage of the commenters here are just as extreme and crazy as AJ is, unfortunately.

I am in the rightist camp on many issues, defence, fiscal policy, religious freedom etc, but large elements of America’s gun culture freaks me the f8ck out.

AlexB on January 9, 2013 at 10:22 AM

AlexB on January 9, 2013 at 10:22 AM

Whatever you say.

Can you play Porcelein or Go?

tom daschle concerned on January 9, 2013 at 10:24 AM

I am in the rightist camp on many issues, defence, fiscal policy, religious freedom etc, but large elements of America’s gun culture freaks me the f8ck out.

AlexB on January 9, 2013 at 10:22 AM

What is a “gun culture”?

Dante on January 9, 2013 at 10:27 AM

What is a “gun culture”?

Dante on January 9, 2013 at 10:27 AM

Don’t be coy.

AlexB on January 9, 2013 at 10:37 AM

Don’t be coy.

AlexB on January 9, 2013 at 10:37 AM

Coy: Reluctant to give details

I asked you “what is a ‘gun culture’” and you are reluctant to give details. Therefore, you are the one being coy.

What is a “gun culture”?

Dante on January 9, 2013 at 10:39 AM

Alex Jones is a total embarrasment to all sincere gun-rights advocates. In this instance, he performed well for the Leftists, just as expected.

elihu on January 9, 2013 at 10:46 AM

I beleieve the accepted definition of gun culture by the experts is the population of people in the movie making business that make faces for a living and pose with black-filled firearms.

They are the dangerous crowd.

Somebody should really do something about them. Maybe Diane Feinstein can have some lawyers write her a bill she doesn’t need to read to present to the Senate. They don’t have to read it either, but I hope the outcome is that those face-making blank shooters can’t perform their art anymore.

For the children.

tom daschle concerned on January 9, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Dante on January 9, 2013 at 10:39 AM

You and I both know that you know what “gun culture” I am talking about.

It’s not just the wide ownership of guns, which in and of itself is not that terrible. It’s the feelings of some gun owners have about their guns. Their stockpiling of lethal weapons. The whole belief that more weapons will solve America’s dismal murder rates.

I’m not so sure that the incredibly stupid argument of “MORE guns will reduce murder rates” is genuine, or is only said because these genius gun advocates worry that if they admit that less guns = less murders will be used as a tool against them.

If it’s the latter then I can understand it even if I hate it. But I’m really worried that it’s the former. That’s the “gun culture” that freaks me out.

AlexB on January 9, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Lots of concern being expressed this morning. Leave that to olde Tom Daschle.

tom daschle concerned on January 9, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Their stockpiling of lethal weapons.

As opposed to less than two of any ‘non-lethal’ weapon.

nuance.

tom daschle concerned on January 9, 2013 at 10:49 AM

You and I both know that you know what “gun culture” I am talking about.

It’s not just the wide ownership of guns, which in and of itself is not that terrible. It’s the feelings of some gun owners have about their guns. Their stockpiling of lethal weapons. The whole belief that more weapons will solve America’s dismal murder rates.

I’m not so sure that the incredibly stupid argument of “MORE guns will reduce murder rates” is genuine, or is only said because these genius gun advocates worry that if they admit that less guns = less murders will be used as a tool against them.

If it’s the latter then I can understand it even if I hate it. But I’m really worried that it’s the former. That’s the “gun culture” that freaks me out.

AlexB on January 9, 2013 at 10:47 AM

I have no idea what it is or what you meant. That’s why I’ve twice asked you to tell me what you mean. You still haven’t explained it, but you have demonstrated your ignorance.

Dante on January 9, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Dante on January 9, 2013 at 10:56 AM

As a gun owner and a gun advocate (I’m assuming you are both those things) I think you know very well what America’s gun culture is, and how it is viewed by supporters, opponents, and fencesitters.

Hence you were coy twice.

You are free to not respond to the sentiments I’ve expressed. Thanks for reading them.

AlexB on January 9, 2013 at 11:01 AM

As a gun owner and a gun advocate (I’m assuming you are both those things) I think you know very well what America’s gun culture is, and how it is viewed by supporters, opponents, and fencesitters.

Hence you were coy twice.

You are free to not respond to the sentiments I’ve expressed. Thanks for reading them.

AlexB on January 9, 2013 at 11:01 AM

You are a nitwit not worth reading for content, but for reading to ridicule.

tom daschle concerned on January 9, 2013 at 11:05 AM

We are not your enemy. Why are you treating us like it?

kim roy on January 8, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Because many of you, such as Old Country Boy, have treated us like it.

Dunedainn on January 9, 2013 at 11:22 AM

I’m not so sure that the incredibly stupid argument of “MORE guns will reduce murder rates” is genuine, or is only said because these genius gun advocates worry that if they admit that less guns = less murders will be used as a tool against them.

If it’s the latter then I can understand it even if I hate it. But I’m really worried that it’s the former. That’s the “gun culture” that freaks me out.

AlexB on January 9, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Like most anti-gun liberals you completely miss the real point and what is actually being said.
The pro 2nd Amendment argument is NOT a wide open “MORE guns will reduce murder rates”. The argument is taking guns away from law-abiding citizens increases murder and other violent crime rates. That’s been proven everywhere its implemented.
The pro 2nd Amendment people are not in favor of more guns in criminal hands – but we are at least realistic enough to know you will never remove the guns entirely from criminals – so our best chance at survival, and at reducing violent crime, is for the good guys to also have guns. That has also been proven everywhere its implemented.

dentarthurdent on January 9, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Talk about tinfoil conspiracy.

Dante on January 9, 2013 at 9:46 AM

Not really. The hypocritically self-titled 9/11 “truthers” couldn’t convince most people that the sky is blue or water is wet.

But whether they are successful in their efforts is beside the point. Al-Qeada is the only possible beneficiary of their antics. These are people who hate their country so damn much that their first response to an attack by a hostile foreign power is to turn on their own country and accuse thousands of military service, law enforcement personnel and firefighters of being involved in their imaginary conspiracy.

9/11 trutherism is treason as a casual indoor sport. They are traitors, every last one of them.

Alberta_Patriot on January 9, 2013 at 1:12 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEeuMjG-94A&feature=share
At least 1 station is covering it.

maynila on January 9, 2013 at 1:22 PM

All I can say about this issue is that guns are flying off the shelves. I’m in Arkansas and just went today to look for a Crossbow on the cheap from the local pawn shops (Bow season is open til Feb 28th so I figured I could get a good crossbow to use until then hoping someone got one for christmas or spent money they shouldn’t have) anway, There were only 2 “assault” rifles on the shelf and they were almost double the price they were a year ago. Lots of bolt action and lever action available though. I prefer the lever action myself, Marlin 30/30 is a great little rifle for deer hunting.

But it was pretty amazing to see how empty the shelves were for the “assault” rifles. No better way to sell guns or any product for that matter than to say it isn’t going to be around any longer. Assault Rifles, the new “twinkies”.

Dino V on January 9, 2013 at 1:54 PM

But it was pretty amazing to see how empty the shelves were for the “assault” rifles. No better way to sell guns or any product for that matter than to say it isn’t going to be around any longer. Assault Rifles, the new “twinkies”.

Dino V on January 9, 2013 at 1:54 PM

VERY hard to get any reasonably priced AR or magazines or ammo.
Glad I got mine before Christmas.
Now my wife wants her own – just because of what you said – gotta have one if the gubmint wants to say you can’t have one.

dentarthurdent on January 9, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Not really.

Alberta_Patriot on January 9, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Yes, really.

Dante on January 9, 2013 at 4:52 PM

We are not your enemy. Why are you treating us like it?

kim roy on January 8, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Because many of you, such as Old Country Boy, have treated us like it.

Dunedainn on January 9, 2013 at 11:22 AM

Who is “us” and who in the world are *you*? I can’t even remember interacting with you much less like any kind of enemy?

kim roy on January 9, 2013 at 5:40 PM

Yes, really.

Dante on January 9, 2013 at 4:52 PM

Al Gore has officially sold out to islamofascist aligned Al-Jazeera, Matt Damon took money from arab/muslim interests to produce an anti-fracking film, the Council on American–Islamic Relations has been named by the US Department of Justice as a co-conspirator with Islamic terrorist groups. The Government of Iran spews 9/11 conspiracy gibberish while at the same time carrying out terrorist attacks and other acts of war against US forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.

No, it is not “tinfoil conspiracy” to suggest that persons like Alex Jones, who spews enemy propaganda, has been doing so possibly with the support and direction of the enemy.

Alberta_Patriot on January 9, 2013 at 6:53 PM

No, it is not “tinfoil conspiracy” to suggest that persons like Alex Jones, who spews enemy propaganda, has been doing so possibly with the support and direction of the enemy.

Alberta_Patriot on January 9, 2013 at 6:53 PM

You are completely unhinged. And yes, that is tinfoil conspiracy.

Dante on January 9, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Your lie exposed

Dante on January 9, 2013 at 9:43 AM

Amazing. You are THAT gullible! Even with your idiotic youtube video that blames it on a “agent provicitieur” (because everything is a big conspiracy, huh) and even with the audio muffled you can still hear him be the first to yell “kill Malkin” at 3:13.

At 3:08-3:14
“Michelle Malkin of Fox news is right there, she wants to put people in camps, kill Malkin!” -Alex Jones

And again, you can hear it even better on this version at 0:52.

What is “exposed” here is you, a pathetic, malleable follower who believes the obvious lies of Alex Jones because is is in your merry band of clinical paranoiac morons who claim to be libertarians. (As stated, I’m not a Malkin fan but I can defend her right to not be subjected to Alex Jones getting his useless, waste of skin followers to chase her off the streets and threaten her life.) It’s up there on the tape and that you wont allow yourself to hear the obvious means that you are in your own little world. Do reality a favor and stay there.

V7_Sport on January 10, 2013 at 12:07 AM

Alberta_Patriot on January 9, 2013 at 1:12 PM

You are EXACTLY right.

V7_Sport on January 10, 2013 at 12:08 AM

You are completely unhinged.
Dante on January 9, 2013 at 8:32 PM

I quote prior instances of groups with islamic extremist ties turning our own media against us (in each case the Americans involved are all to willing to be turned).

You call me names and invoke the fallacy of personal incredulity.

Is that all you got?

Are you, yourself a 9/11 “truther”?

Alberta_Patriot on January 10, 2013 at 12:08 AM

“Unfortunately, the Dallas Morning News has not formally apologized to Alex or printed a retraction in its newspaper…..”

Dante on January 9, 2013 at 9:45 AM

That’s from Infowars, Alex Jones’ own personal site you idiot. LOL, you post that as if it signified proof of anything? They are bug eyed, UFO chasing, islamist apologist lunatics who have nothing but contempt for truth as it corresponds to reality. Dallas morning news didn’t apologize to this greasy tub of lard because he was the first to yell “kill malkin”. No need to apologize if you are telling the truth.

V7_Sport on January 10, 2013 at 12:13 AM

By the way… THIS is “unhinged”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVDOOZ-_ENc

A few weeks after this aired, Richard Poplawski, a frequent listener and reader of Alex Jones website, ambushed and murdered three Pittsburgh police officers.

At approximately 7:11 a.m. EDT, 22-year-old Richard Poplawski opened fire on two Pittsburgh Police officers responding to a 9-1-1 call from Poplawski’s mother, who was attempting to get the police officers to remove her son from the home. Three police officers were ultimately confirmed dead, and another two were seriously injured.

Poplawski also frequently visited and occasionally posted on Alex Jones’ Infowars website. One of his frustrations with the site, though, was that it supposedly didn’t focus enough on the nefarious roles played by Jews in all these conspiracies. “For being such huge players in the endgame,” he observed in a March 29, 2009 posting to Infowars, “too many ‘infowarriors’ are surprisingly unfamiliar with the Zionists.”

Jared Lee Loughner, the Tuscon Arizona supermarket shooter who wounded congresswoman Gabby Giffords and murdered a republican judge and a little girl who was born on 9/11, was also a known 9/11 truther and Alex Jones fan.

Alberta_Patriot on January 10, 2013 at 12:18 AM

so our best chance at survival, and at reducing violent crime, is for the good guys to also have guns. That has also been proven everywhere its implemented.

dentarthurdent on January 9, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Would you prefer that both criminals and law abiding citizens were armed with AR-15s? Or maybe something less efficient/effective?

I think where both are fully armed or both are fully disarmed, or just less armed), the latter case increases chances of survival.

That’s the point.

If you look at places where gun-control is nonexistent (mostly Muslim places but also Mexico with its cartels) you see a very high murder rate and all kinds of extra-judicial feuds that run for years and decades and even generations where one guy kills another guy and his family or buddies take revenge and the cycle goes on and on and you’ve got a dysfunctional society and gun battles on the streets, and law abiding citizens scared to death.

The 2nd amendment will never enable private citizens to catch up with the government’s arsenal of weapons. If a tyrant did emerge in the US, the 2nd amendment would not be the legal rule to throw the tyrant off.

The chief reason, in my view, that the pro-gun people are so resistant to gun-control measures, to any gun control measures really, is because they like shooting. It is fun and exciting and they don’t like the government to step in and take anything away. Well too Fn bad. This hobby is causing Sandy Hooks and Columbines and Auroras, etc.

Y’all have to contend without massacre-machines sold at Walmarts. Lesser weapons would simply have to do.

AlexB on January 10, 2013 at 8:11 AM

AlexB on January 10, 2013 at 8:11 AM

you don’t deserve liberty you poor twaggot.

auto immolate for your cause.

tom daschle concerned on January 10, 2013 at 9:24 AM

That’s from Infowars, Alex Jones’ own personal site you idiot. LOL, you post that as if it signified proof of anything? They are bug eyed, UFO chasing, islamist apologist lunatics who have nothing but contempt for truth as it corresponds to reality. Dallas morning news didn’t apologize to this greasy tub of lard because he was the first to yell “kill malkin”. No need to apologize if you are telling the truth.

V7_Sport on January 10, 2013 at 12:13 AM

Did you watch the video?

No, you didn’t.

Dante on January 10, 2013 at 9:53 AM

I quote prior instances of groups with islamic extremist ties turning our own media against us (in each case the Americans involved are all to willing to be turned).

You call me names and invoke the fallacy of personal incredulity.

Alberta_Patriot on January 10, 2013 at 12:08 AM

What name did I call you?

Dante on January 10, 2013 at 9:54 AM

you don’t deserve liberty you poor twaggot.

auto immolate for your cause.

tom daschle concerned on January 10, 2013 at 9:24 AM

I suggest you wipe that foam off your mouth before it asphyxiates you. Lucky for me there are law enforcement agencies to protect me from the likes of you.

AlexB on January 10, 2013 at 10:25 AM

Lucky for me there are law enforcement agencies to protect me from the likes of you.

AlexB on January 10, 2013 at 10:25 AM

Law enforcement agencies exist to sweep up the pieces. What’s protecting you in this case is that you are an anonymous coward who’s too contemptible to bother with.

V7_Sport on January 10, 2013 at 10:37 AM

What’s protecting you in this case is that you are an anonymous coward who’s too contemptible to bother with.

V7_Sport on January 10, 2013 at 10:37 AM

I hope those bunched up panties aren’t too tight for you – they seem to be cutting off circulation to the brain :)

Had I lived in Somalia or a Mexican town a-la Juarez I’d have no choice but to own an AK because of the crazy violence everywhere – because everybody there is armed and violent! Better yet, I’d GTFO of such an environment where everyone is armed, and the criminals actually outgun the central authorities.

But to take a relatively restive place with relatively low murder rate and then flood it with weapons, especially M4s and AR-15s would utterly destroy the peace.

I live in Toronto. The greater Toronto area is about the same size as the greater Chicago area. Our murder rate is 8-10 times smaller than in Chicago. And most of the gun murders committed here are with American guns that slip illegally through the border… and you’re sitting there, armed and anonymous, yapping away insults and talking points about me not deserving liberty? What a fool you are.

AlexB on January 10, 2013 at 11:03 AM

LIMITED gun manufacturing and ownership is the way to go. Not outright banning.
Severely limit the unstoppable flood of guns coming out from US gun manufacturers, and all those Chicagoan and NYC criminals won’t have any weapons, legal or illegal, to shoot at each other, all the while all the rural hunters and sportsmen get to keep their weapons.

This massive infrastructure of keeping track of these weapons and who owns them (with the more weapons/people gets more cumbersome and harder to administer) won’t even be relevant.

AlexB on January 10, 2013 at 11:08 AM

What name did I call you?

Dante on January 10, 2013 at 9:54 AM

Name calling, personal incredulity fallacy and now semantic hair splitting. Anything to avoid talking about the subject being addressed, eh Dante?

This is your definition of “unhinged”.

9/11 inside job theory, wiring up the biggest and busiest office buildings in NYC with tens of thousands of explosive charges and putting it all back together again so that no one notices anything when they show up to work the next morning. Minimum number of conspirators required: 40,000.

You don’t have a problem with this, Dante.

Alex Jones telling his dozens of listeners that there is no such thing as terrorists and not to tell the police or FBI if they see anything amiss and he might be getting paid by Al-Qeada or one of their sympathizers to say this. Minimum number of conspirators required: Two (Jones and the islamofascist sending him the cheques).

This is “unhinged” to you.

You’re clearly an idiot tied up in a moron wrapped inside of a mental midget.

Alberta_Patriot on January 10, 2013 at 4:48 PM

LIMITED gun manufacturing and ownership is the way to go. Not outright banning.
Severely limit the unstoppable flood of guns coming out from US gun manufacturers, and all those Chicagoan and NYC criminals won’t have any weapons, legal or illegal, to shoot at each other, all the while all the rural hunters and sportsmen get to keep their weapons.

AlexB on January 10, 2013 at 11:08 AM

.
What you’re describing constitutes “Nationalizing” the manufacturing of firearms.
You’re saying the “free-market” basis for determining how many guns should be manufactured is “flawed”, because it allows too many guns on the street.

Who’s going to have the “decision making” responsibility in determining when’s enough?
On what basis are they going to make that decision?

listens2glenn on January 10, 2013 at 5:41 PM

What you’re describing constitutes “Nationalizing” the manufacturing of firearms.
You’re saying the “free-market” basis for determining how many guns should be manufactured is “flawed”, because it allows too many guns on the street.

Who’s going to have the “decision making” responsibility in determining when’s enough?
On what basis are they going to make that decision?

listens2glenn on January 10, 2013 at 5:41 PM

That’s not nationalizing, but it is fascist.

Dante on January 10, 2013 at 5:45 PM

I live in Toronto.

That explains why you are fking retarded.

tom daschle concerned on January 11, 2013 at 11:49 AM

I live in Toronto.

AlexB on January 10, 2013 at 11:03 AM

So fix you own issues before you presume to lecture us about ours.

V7_Sport on January 11, 2013 at 9:06 PM

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