Video: “I am not your subject”

posted at 1:21 pm on January 7, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Gun owners have begun speaking out on behalf of their constitutional rights — directly, in some cases, to those who would infringe upon them.  Joshua Boston wrote a letter to Senator Dianne Feinstein, declaring that “I am not your subject,” which has drawn plenty of attention in the post-Newtown political arena.  Boston appeared on Fox and Friends this morning not just to talk about the letter, but to rebut Feinstein’s response to it:


 

“I am not your subject,” Boston wrote.

“I am the man who keeps you free. I am not your servant. I am the person whom you serve. I am not your peasant. I am the flesh and blood of America. I am the man who fought for my country. I am the man who learned. I am an American. You will not tell me that I must register my semi-automatic AR-15 because of the actions of some evil man.”

Boston explained that he believes once the government takes away assault weapons, it will be a “slippery slope” toward being able to restrict more and more types of firearms.

“Our firearms are important to us and they’re something that we have to have in order to keep what we have as a country going. And this starts us onto a slippery slope. They take (assault weapons) away, next they come for bolt-action guns. And there’s really no reason to register other than they confiscate at a later date in time,” said Boston.

Feinstein assured Boston that her bill would have exceptions for hunting weapons.  The former Marine told Fox’s Steve Doocy that Feinstein doesn’t understand the meaning of the 2nd Amendment:

“This idea that the rights of existing gun owners is strictly limited to hunting and sporting purposes is just absurd and has no basis in the Bill of Rights. It’s not what it was for,” said Boston, who argued that throughout history there have been examples of governments confiscating citizens’ guns.

“It’s something we’ve seen happen time and time again in history. With Stalin, it happened in Cambodia and of course, the Third Reich. No one saw that coming until it was too late,” he said.

One key reason for the 2nd Amendment is the natural right to self-defense.  Ironically, Feinstein took full advantage of that right when she needed to do so.  She armed herself in response to threats in 1995, but seems to have an issue with other Americans making that same choice.

Nor is she the only hypocrite on this stage.  John Fund discovered that the newspaper that found it necessary to endanger the entire community by publishing a map of handgun permit holders ended up getting armed guards to protect themselves after receiving heavy criticism for their decision:

Take the Journal News executives who decided to publish the gun map. The newspaper was so inundated with complaints that shortly after Christmas it took extra security precautions and hired security guards — who were armed — to patrol its Rockland County headquarters. The executives reported no incidents of any kind at the building, but they turned over at least two e-mails they found troubling. The local police said they didn’t find the e-mails threatening and concluded that they “did not constitute an offense.” The Journal News chose not to share with its readers the information that it had hired armed security guards. That revelation came from a competing newspaper, the Rockland County Times, which concluded that the Journal News conducts itself according to the double standard: “Guns are good for the goose but not for the gander.”

Indeed.

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No. As opposed to doing my own research and drawing my own conclusions.

But you – the libertarian – refuse to accept that an individual CAN draw a different conclusion than you.

Interesting.

Washington Nearsider on January 7, 2013 at 2:19 PM

That’s a weird conclusion to make. I don’t refuse to accept it at all. Accepting that you or others have reached a different conlcusion, however, doesn’t make it a valid or truthful conclusion. Of course you are welcome to draw your own conclusions, but that doesn’t mean your conclusion isn’t wrong or that it’s equally valid.

Dante on January 7, 2013 at 2:25 PM

She’s a 1000 effing miles away. Not much I can do.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 7, 2013 at 2:07 PM

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You can get off the internet if you think you’re in danger of being “screwed with”. Nah, you just tried to be exploitative in playing some sympathy-guilt card.

Dante on January 7, 2013 at 2:14 PM

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Nothing like some uplifting “moral support” from your good friends here, at hotair.com.

God bless you, ALT.

listens2glenn on January 7, 2013 at 2:26 PM

“Firearms have been around for over 400 years, yet it is only in the last 20 years that people have begun shouting “gun control”. Why then, only recently, has this become such an issue? Moreover, why are there more mass-murderers than at any other time in our known history? It is not because weapons are more powerful — 200-year-old muzzleloaders have a much greater force-per-round than today’s ‘assault rifles.’ It is not because weapons are semi- or fully-automatic — rapid-fire weapons have been available for most of the last century. It is not due to a lack of laws — we have more ‘gun control’ laws than ever. It IS, however, because we have chosen to focus on “gun control” instead of crime control or “thug control.” It IS because only recently has the public become complacent enough to accept, by inaction, the violence present in our society.”

- Kevin Langston, 29 October 1991

”These Sarah Brady types must be educated to understand that because we have an armed citizenry, a dictatorship has not happened in America. These anti-gun fools are more dangerous to liberty than street criminals or foreign spies.”

- Theodore Haas, Dachau Survivor

“How a politician stands on the Second Amendment tells you how he or she views you as an individual… as a trustworthy and productive citizen or as part of an unruly crowd that needs to be lorded over, controlled, supervised, and taken care of.”

- Dr Suzanna Gratia Hupp, who lost both parents in the 1991 Luby’s cafeteria massacre

“We must reject the idea that every time a law’s broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.”

– Ronald Reagan

“To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the lawless will allow. … For society does not control crime, ever, by forcing the law-abiding to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of criminals. Society controls crime by forcing the criminals to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of the law-abiding.”

– Jeff Snyder, author

“If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”

- Winston Churchill

Resist We Much on January 7, 2013 at 2:26 PM

As opposed to being infuriated for being manipulated into believing that Islam is a threat and that our government and its policies aren’t the threat? You’re being fooled.

Dante on January 7, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Yeah it was a bunch of out-of-control Lutherans that flew the planes into the WTC and Pentagon. A Methodist that shot up Fort Hood and killed 13. A Catholic that tried to light his underpants on fire.

And those are just examples of domestic terrorism from the so-called religion of peace. Far too many people have been killed in the name of Islam and American policy had nothing to do with any of them. You truly are a reprehensible moron. And you never even acknowledged the main point of that post. Why can’t you accept that your viewpoint isn’t the only way to see events? It is perfectly valid to look at the facts and come up with a conclusion that does not include demeaning military members as chumps, foreign engagement as the work of psychopaths, or America the root cause of all evil. Just admit it- you’re a complete moron.

Happy Nomad on January 7, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Dante on January 7, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Shorter Dante:

“I’m right, everyone else is wrong.”

Careful. Your tyrant is showing.

Washington Nearsider on January 7, 2013 at 2:27 PM

But you – the libertarian – refuse to accept that an individual CAN draw a different conclusion than you.

Interesting.

Washington Nearsider on January 7, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Oh, no! Dante is NOT a libertarian. He is an anarcho-capitalist. Don’t make the mistake that I did and assume that he is a libertarian. He will hit you with his purse.

Resist We Much on January 7, 2013 at 2:27 PM

Resist We Much on January 7, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Humphrey was considered fairly left in his time, as was Mondale. This dramatically underscores the radicalization of the democrat party in a relatively short period of time, the Left’s usurpation of the power center of the party – done virtually without comment or protest by the GOP. Meanwhile, most republicans sound like moderate democrats of 30 or 40 years ago (Paul Ryan’s plan was basically a reprise of moderate democrat John Breaux’s plan). The media can’t stop talking about the “right wing” boogeyman and the “extremism” of the Tea Party. Of course, this is projection.

rrpjr on January 7, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Kind of ironic that he says, “I am not your subject,” yet that’s exactly what he is, going to war on their behalf, taking their orders, and believing he “fought for our country”.

[Dante on January 7, 2013 at 1:51 PM]

Ridiculous. He was not a subject by going to war on their behalf. As a citizen, he volunteered to join the military and for the period in which he served. That was a contract, which he voluntarily swore an oath to keep. There was no force taken, no coercion, no violation of right.

You might be on firmer ground if there was conscription, but there isn’t but even that would require the various tests to validate that the person is a subject in the sense used.

Dusty on January 7, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Why is everyone responding to that idiot Dante? Is it fun or something?

22044 on January 7, 2013 at 2:29 PM

Remember folks, one of the tactics they’re using is to split off the hunters and use them against the 2A folks, even though there is much overlap. Just keep that in mind if you hear any of your hunting buddies spouting the gun grab line.

juliesa on January 7, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Colloquially referred to within the firearms community as ‘Fudds’, as in Elmer Fudd. THey scorn ‘evil black rifles’, say crap like ‘nobody NEEDS a machinegun’ and are usually union democrats from the Rust Belt.
And like Chamberlain, they are more than willing to sacrifice other gun owners’ rights to appease / protect their 5-shot-per-year hunting rifles.

rayra on January 7, 2013 at 2:29 PM

We need guns so we can commit treason against our tyranical librel gubmint.

Pablo Honey on January 7, 2013 at 1:51 PM

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Treason is a charge invented by the winner (2008, 2012) as an excuse for purpotrating tyranny against the losers.

listens2glenn on January 7, 2013 at 2:30 PM

As opposed to being infuriated for being manipulated into believing that Islam is a threat and that our government and its policies aren’t the threat? You’re being fooled.

Dante on January 7, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Are you claiming that Islamism is NOT a threat? Just like The Paul Pot:

One of Ron Paul’s books, assuming that he actually wrote it since one shouldn’t jump to any conclusions because his “not my newsletters” were written in the first person and bore his name too, is named “Liberty Defined,” which was published in 2011. He writes in the introduction:

“America’s history and political ethos are all about liberty. The Declaration of Independence declares that life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are unalienable rights, but notice how both life and the pursuit of happiness also depend on liberty as a fundamental bedrock of our country. We use the word almost as a cliche. But do we know what it means? Can we recognize it when we see it? More importantly, can we recognize the opposite of liberty when it is sold to us as a form of freedom? … Sometimes it seems like we are living in a dystopian novel like 1984 or Brave New World, complete with ever less economic freedom. Some will say that this is hyperbole; others will understand exactly what I’m talking about,” he writes. “What is at stake is the American dream itself, which in turn is wrapped up with our standard of living. … Above all, the theme is liberty. The goal is liberty. The results of liberty are all the things we love, none of which can be finally provided by government. We must have the opportunity to provide them for ourselves, as individuals, as families, as a society, and as a country. Off we go: A to Z.”

So, accepting Paul Pot’s invitation, off through the alphabetised Table of Contents we shall go:

Abortion
Assassination
Austrian Economics
Bipartisanship
Business Cycle
Campaign Finance Reform
Capital Punishment
CIA
Civil Disobedience
Conscription
Demagogues
Democracy
Discrimination
Education
Empire
Envy
Evolution versus Creation
Executive Power
Foreign Aid
Four Freedoms
Global Warming
Gun Control
Hate Crimes
Immigration
Insurance
Keynesianism
Lobbying
Marriage
Medical Care
Monetary Policy
Moral Hazard
Morality in Government
Noble Lies
Patriotism
Political Correctness
Prohibition
Public Land
Racism
Religion and Liberty
Security
Slavery
States’ Rights
Statistics
Surveillance
Taxes
Terrorism
Torture
Trade Policies
Unions
Zionism

Notice anything? What’s there and what is missing? Insurance … then Keynesianism. Unions … then Zionism. Yep! I bet that lightbulb went off quickly!

Zionism? Yes.

Islamism? No.

But, don’t worry. Ron Paul isn’t anti-semitic or even anti-Zionist or anything like that. Really!! /

Resist We Much on January 7, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Oops! Sorry about that. I only meant to post the top quote by Langston.

Resist We Much on January 7, 2013 at 2:33 PM

Nothing like some uplifting “moral support” from your good friends here, at hotair.com.

God bless you, ALT.

listens2glenn on January 7, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Just got the call.
The late Mother of Twerp raised a spitfyre.
No sympathy-ALL venom.
ESOD Dante!!!

annoyinglittletwerp on January 7, 2013 at 2:33 PM

Drudge headlines:

AP: FEWER EXCITED GUN-BUYERS IN COLO, CONN….

But gun checks nearly double in both states…

Colo wait up to 8 days — normal time 15 minutes!

That’s the All Progressive news for you, Lies to support the Left’s Oppressive agenda any way they can..

Galt2009 on January 7, 2013 at 2:33 PM

Why is everyone responding to that idiot Dante? Is it fun or something?

22044 on January 7, 2013 at 2:29 PM

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. Y E S !

listens2glenn on January 7, 2013 at 2:33 PM

I believe the military should be used for defense, not as a foreign policy tool for psychopaths.

Dante on January 7, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Of course you don’t see the irony in your post….HAHAHAHAHA!!!

right2bright on January 7, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Yep, Dante’s pretty f’n stupid / ignorant. It is axiomatic that, ‘war is diplomacy by other means’. Clausewitz, On War, about 180yrs ago.

rayra on January 7, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Y E S !

listens2glenn on January 7, 2013 at 2:33 PM

LOL… :)

22044 on January 7, 2013 at 2:34 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on January 7, 2013 at 2:33 PM

I’m sorry, darlin’. Prayers ascending for you and your family.

kingsjester on January 7, 2013 at 2:35 PM

Good for him for writing a letter to his (?) rep (aka ‘some woman’) –
but this:

I will not register my weapons should this bill be passed, as I do not believe it is the government’s right to know what I own.

Well then, you’d be breaking the law. You can advocate to change it – seems many successfully did before.
But if you’re planning on breaking it – well then there goes that ‘law biding citizens’ line the NRA likes to throw around.

Also, very impressive he was able to get on camera at Fox News… with Steve Doocey, no less!

verbaluce on January 7, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Why is everyone responding to that idiot Dante? Is it fun or something?

22044 on January 7, 2013 at 2:29 PM

When I see a monkey dancing on the end of a leash, I toss them peanuts…it’s the same with Dante, our dancing monkey, toss him a peanut so he knows he is “appreciated”, we keep him around for laughs.

We all laugh at him, and like the monkey, he thinks he is being clever…the irony is too good to let go.

We get these guys every few months, and then when they finally catch on that they are being made fun of and laughed at, they move on…he is our pet of the month. Don’t spoil it…he’s dancing for us.

right2bright on January 7, 2013 at 2:36 PM

kingsjester on January 7, 2013 at 2:35 PM

She has 3 elderly cats that my bother and I can’t take. Those cats were her babies-so homes for them is a big concern right now.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 7, 2013 at 2:37 PM

As opposed to being infuriated for being manipulated into believing that Islam is a threat and that our government and its policies aren’t the threat? You’re being fooled.

Dante on January 7, 2013 at 2:17 PM

3,000 dead Americans on 9/11/2001, as well as statements by the Islamists in the Middle East say you’re the one being fooled.

Mitoch55 on January 7, 2013 at 2:38 PM

When I see a monkey dancing on the end of a leash, I toss them peanuts…it’s the same with Dante, our dancing monkey, toss him a peanut so he knows he is “appreciated”, we keep him around for laughs.

We all laugh at him, and like the monkey, he thinks he is being clever…the irony is too good to let go.

We get these guys every few months, and then when they finally catch on that they are being made fun of and laughed at, they move on…he is our pet of the month. Don’t spoil it…he’s dancing for us.

right2bright on January 7, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Got it…heh!

22044 on January 7, 2013 at 2:39 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on January 7, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Considering the way folks are into cats now, that shouldn’t be too hard.

kingsjester on January 7, 2013 at 2:39 PM

listens2glenn on January 7, 2013 at 2:26 PM

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Just got the call.
The late Mother of Twerp raised a spitfyre.
No sympathy-ALL venom.
ESOD Dante!!!

annoyinglittletwerp on January 7, 2013 at 2:33 PM

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You go girl. . : )

May the Almighty Heavenly Father continue to bless you, minister to you and your family, and prosper your way.

listens2glenn on January 7, 2013 at 2:39 PM

Just so that you are aware, gun grabbers!, your government — in the form of Barack Obama, Dianne Feinstein, and Joe Biden — is contemplating a sort of “stamp tax” for gun ownership, ie, you’d have to pay $200 per gun, perhaps, per year. This fee could go much higher. Before you say, “Yeah!,” just remember what your “Soak the rich!” rhetoric got you last week.

That’s right! Your taxes went up and your paycheque will take a bigger hit than those in the $200,000 to $500,000 bracket. So, what would a, sort of, stamp tax on guns mean for you?

Only those that could afford it would be able to own guns. Everyone else would be at the mercy of the government and remember that the police, for example, do not have a duty to come to your aid and assistance, under Supreme Court precedent. So, only the “evil rich” and criminals will have guns and the ability to defend themselves. You, on the other hand, will be screwed…once again.

Resist We Much on January 7, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Yeah it was a bunch of out-of-control Lutherans that flew the planes into the WTC and Pentagon. A Methodist that shot up Fort Hood and killed 13. A Catholic that tried to light his underpants on fire.

And those are just examples of domestic terrorism from the so-called religion of peace. Far too many people have been killed in the name of Islam and American policy had nothing to do with any of them. You truly are a reprehensible moron. And you never even acknowledged the main point of that post. Why can’t you accept that your viewpoint isn’t the only way to see events? It is perfectly valid to look at the facts and come up with a conclusion that does not include demeaning military members as chumps, foreign engagement as the work of psychopaths, or America the root cause of all evil. Just admit it- you’re a complete moron.

Happy Nomad on January 7, 2013 at 2:26 PM

All a result of our interventionist foreign policy. The psychopaths arm them, support them, and then invade them, and fight them. We have always been at war with Eastasia.

You don’t look at facts; you react based on your conditioning. You can’t possibly look at events prior to 9/11 without your conditioning kicking in that “Islam is bad.” “Islam is bad,” that’s why we had to support Saddam against Iran. That’s why we had to support the Mujahideen in Afghanistan. That’s why we had to overthrow Iran’s Constitutional leader and install a dictator. That’s why we need to establish bases around the world. That’s why we need the CIA to carry out unconstituional war in the shadows. Rendition, secret prisons, drone strike murders, sanctions that deny medicine to the people.

Psychopaths.

Dante on January 7, 2013 at 2:40 PM

As opposed to being infuriated for being manipulated into believing that Islam is a threat and that our government and its policies aren’t the threat? You’re being fooled.

Dante on January 7, 2013 at 2:17 PM

3,000 dead Americans on 9/11/2001, as well as statements by the Islamists in the Middle East say you’re the one being fooled.

Mitoch55 on January 7, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Except that Dante ( like his beloved fuhrer Herr Doktor)believe that 9/11 was an inside job by the Evil Bushitler and his Sith master DarthCheney…

SWalker on January 7, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Resist We Much on January 7, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Excellent group of quotes…and of course having two of my faves in their Reagan and the greatest leader of all time, Churchill.

right2bright on January 7, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Zionism? Yes.

Islamism? No.

But, don’t worry. Ron Paul isn’t anti-semitic or even anti-Zionist or anything like that. Really!! /

Resist We Much on January 7, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Yes, yes, you hate ron paul. This is the second time I’ve seen you post the exact same thing. I haven’t read the book, so I have no idea what he goes in to with zionism and why he ignores islam, but why do the names of his chapters matter so much to you?

Timin203 on January 7, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Oh, no! Dante is NOT a libertarian. He is an anarcho-capitalist. Don’t make the mistake that I did and assume that he is a libertarian. He will hit you with his purse.

Resist We Much on January 7, 2013 at 2:27 PM

There’s not a spit’s worth of diffrence between anarcho-capitalists and doper Liberal-tarians. And a high degree of overlap between the idiots in the Occupy movement and the Paulbots. They all are self-worshipping shitheads who expect other people to pay their freight, who demand absolute ‘freedom’ with zero responsibility. Which is also a large component of their disdain and disregard of our military. They’re cowards, terrified of the idea of service.

rayra on January 7, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Why is it that I’m hearing the Twilight Zone Theme in the background everytime Dante posts?

kingsjester on January 7, 2013 at 2:41 PM

SWalker on January 7, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Yeah, I wonder if he rolls with Alex Jones. Or something. :)

22044 on January 7, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Psychopaths.

Dante on January 7, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Keep posting and dancing, you are F’in brilliant…please keep posting, you are like political/commentary art, we just stare and wonder at your brilliance…keep posting.

right2bright on January 7, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Why is everyone responding to that idiot Dante? Is it fun or something?

22044 on January 7, 2013 at 2:29 PM

I’s an opportunity to inform and instruct and make a negative example of idiocy. It won’t change ‘Dante’ one whit. It might help members of the audience to see what Dante espouses is utter garbage.

rayra on January 7, 2013 at 2:42 PM

verbaluce on January 7, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Why are you always so foolish?

Schadenfreude on January 7, 2013 at 2:43 PM

kingsjester on January 7, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Really, I hear the cranking of an organ grinder and the sound of a tin cup…

right2bright on January 7, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Just so that you are aware, gun grabbers!, your government — in the form of Barack Obama, Dianne Feinstein, and Joe Biden — is contemplating a sort of “stamp tax” for gun ownership, ie, you’d have to pay $200 per gun, perhaps, per year. This fee could go much higher. Before you say, “Yeah!,” just remember what your “Soak the rich!” rhetoric got you last week.

That’s right! Your taxes went up and your paycheque will take a bigger hit than those in the $200,000 to $500,000 bracket. So, what would a, sort of, stamp tax on guns mean for you?

Only those that could afford it would be able to own guns. Everyone else would be at the mercy of the government and remember that the police, for example, do not have a duty to come to your aid and assistance, under Supreme Court precedent. So, only the “evil rich” and criminals will have guns and the ability to defend themselves. You, on the other hand, will be screwed…once again.

Resist We Much on January 7, 2013 at 2:40 PM

They are just plain old fashioned evil. Reading comprehension is apparently as difficult for liberals as the dreaded maff…

Shall not be infringed.

Posted by doriangrey1 on October 15, 2009

in·fringe // //
v. in·fringed, in·fring·ing, in·fring·es

v. tr.

To transgress or exceed the limits of; violate: infringe a contract; infringe a patent.
Obsolete To defeat; invalidate.

v. intr.
To encroach on someone or something; engage in trespassing: an increased workload that infringed on his personal life.

[Latin īnfringere, to destroy : in-, intensive pref.; see in-2 + frangere, to break; see bhreg- in Indo-European roots.]
in·fring’er n.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The progressive movement has been eroding this amendment since early on in the 20th century. Hiding their actions behind such vile and detestable terms as reasonable regulations and public safety.

The real truth is that the founding fathers left zero wiggle room regarding the regulation of firearms ownership. They made their thoughts on the subject absolutely crystal clear.

Benjamin Franklin: Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” (Nov 11 1755, from the Pennsylvania Assembly’s reply to
the Governor of Pennsylvania.)

Thomas Jefferson: “Laws that forbid the carrying of arms…disarm only those who are neither
inclined or determined to commit crimes. Such laws only make things worse for the assaulted and
better for the assassins; they serve to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man
may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” (1764 Letter and speech from T.
Jefferson quoting with approval an essay by Cesare Beccari)

John Adams: “Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self
defense.” (A defense of the Constitution of the US)

George Washington: “Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the
people’s liberty teeth (and) keystone… the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable… more than
99% of them [guns] by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very
atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference [crime]. When firearms go, all goes,
we need them every hour.” (Address to 1st session of Congress)

George Mason: “To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them.” (3 Elliot,
Debates at 380)

Noah Webster: “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in
almost every country in Europe.” (1787, Pamphlets on the Constitution of the US)

George Washington: “A free people ought to be armed.” (Jan 14 1790, Boston Independent
Chronicle.)

Thomas Jefferson: “No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.” (T. Jefferson papers,
334, C.J. Boyd, Ed. 1950)

James Madison: “Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of
other countries, whose people are afraid to trust them with arms.” (Federalist Paper #46)

History had to be revised by a progressive controlled educational system for these facts to be so ignored and watered down as to advance the notion the founding fathers found both insane and insulting, reasonable regulation and public safety.

Thomas Jefferson perhaps said it best.

Thomas Jefferson: “Laws that forbid the carrying of arms…disarm only those who are neither
inclined or determined to commit crimes. Such laws only make things worse for the assaulted and
better for the assassins; they serve to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man
may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” (1764 Letter and speech from T.
Jefferson quoting with approval an essay by Cesare Beccari)

The second amendment is not a States Rights issue, nor does the Federal Government have any constitutional authority to regulate firearms ownership, the constitution makes this indisputably and incontrovertibly clear.

Yet Federal administration after administration and State after State have completely and totally violated the letter of the law as spelled out in no uncertain terms in the Second Amendment to the US Constitution.

Furthermore, the FBI has documented and for the most part hidden their results which prove beyond any doubt that populated centers where individual gun ownership and right to carry laws exist have the very lowest assault, murder, and robbery levels in the entire country.

Federal and State gun regulations are not and never has been about providing public safety, they are and always have been about making stripping the constitutional rights away from citizens and increasing the governments control over individuals lives.

Ponder the words of the great and famous statesman Benjamin Franklin, consider where you fall in this great divide, are you on the side of the Founding Fathers of this Great Republic, or have you sided with the Progressive Movement, (and yes that really does mean communists) who are attempting to subvert the US Constitution?

Benjamin Franklin: Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” (Nov 11 1755, from the Pennsylvania Assembly’s reply to
the Governor of Pennsylvania.)

Choose you this day upon whose side you are on, I pray that the words of Sameul Adams are not spoken of you.
Sameul Adams:“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, — go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!”

SWalker on January 7, 2013 at 2:43 PM

You, on the other hand, will be screwed…once again.

Resist We Much on January 7, 2013 at 2:40 PM

verbaluce, do you get this?

Schadenfreude on January 7, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Just got the call.
The late Mother of Twerp raised a spitfyre.
No sympathy-ALL venom.
ESOD Dante!!!

annoyinglittletwerp on January 7, 2013 at 2:33 PM

I’m sorry to hear about your mother.

Night Owl on January 7, 2013 at 2:44 PM

And with the exception of the incumbent I would suggest that this nation has never had foreign policy in the hands of psychopaths. That’s the kind of ignorant generalization that makes Ron Paul such an unfit candidate for any office let alone the Presidency.

Happy Nomad on January 7, 2013 at 2:19 PM

The proper term is sociopath, not psychopath. We have had several sociopaths in charge of foreign policy. Wilson, FDR, Truman, LBJ, Clinton, and the present incompetent. I may disagree with Ron Paul, but his call for following the constitution when it comes to war is not stupid as so man Neocons think it is. That does not preclude actions that are legal under the War Powers act and Ron Paul was not against that as there are situations where the President must act immediately, but those situations are limited in scope. Actions against Pirates, and evacuation of US citizens from threatening situations, such as Grenada under Reagan, are good examples. But going abroad seeking monsters to slay is not a good idea in general, not mention illegal without Congressional action. Ron Paul was on the money there, and being snarky about it does not win arguments, unless you wish to be a libtard.

Quartermaster on January 7, 2013 at 2:44 PM

SWalker on January 7, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Yeah, I wonder if he rolls with Alex Jones. Or something. :)

22044 on January 7, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Wonder no more, he most assuredly does…

SWalker on January 7, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Dante on January 7, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Umm excuse me but isn’t this thread about the Oppressive-Left trying to deprive the citizens of this nation of their check on Feral governmental power and the right of self-defense?

Galt2009 on January 7, 2013 at 2:45 PM

well then there goes that ‘law biding citizens’ line the NRA likes to throw around.

Also, very impressive he was able to get on camera at Fox News… with Steve Doocey, no less!

verbaluce on January 7, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Yeah, the government makes it easier to be a criminal than a law abiding citizen. And following the constitution isn’t criminal — the politicians ignoring the constitutions are the ones that should be thrown in jail for trying to circumvent the 2nd amendment.

Timin203 on January 7, 2013 at 2:46 PM

verbaluce on January 7, 2013 at 2:36 PM

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HEY ! … verbaluce !

You’re BACK again!

Here’s that three week old comment I’m still waiting for a response to.
It’s even “on topic”.
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How does taking away someone’s right of self defense protect them?

Galt2009 on December 21, 2012 at 10:21 AM

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How are any of the hypothetical proposals presumed to do that?

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 10:23 AM
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Are there or are there not proposals to ban private ownership of civilian (semi-auto) models of military (full-auto) rifles, and carbines?

listens2glenn on December 21, 2012 at 1:17 PM

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Is this for me?
Yes, that seems to be the essence of what’s be proposed.
Again.

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 1:31 PM

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If you’re acknowledging this, then it’s hardly “hypothetical”.
The Second Amendment is FIRST, about self defense against a Tyranical government. Common criminals come after that.
Then dangerous/nuisance animals … and so on.

Citizens should be allowed to possess the same weaponry as your local and state police. Anything less than that, means your ability to defend yourself against a tyrannical government is compromised. Period.
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My 1:24 PM comment is for you, as well. Reposting:

verbaluce on December 21, 2012 at 1:12 PM

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For full-auto, I’m for licensing. Should licensing be Federal or State controlled? That’s another argument.

Civilian (semi-auto) models of fully-auto military rifles and carbines should be no more restricted than a breech loading single shot .22LR.

listens2glenn on December 21, 2012 at 1:24 PM

listens2glenn on January 7, 2013 at 2:46 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on January 7, 2013 at 2:33 PM

Sorry to hear, it’s funny how from the (obviously) beginning of time we all know it’s going to happen, we have a lifetime to prepare…and we are never prepared.
Prayers to you and your family…

right2bright on January 7, 2013 at 2:46 PM

You don’t look at facts; you react based on your conditioning.
Dante on January 7, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Physician, heal thyself. Read history. The Islamic quest for supremacy and their condition of zero intolerance for infidels was articulated by a Muslim quest to Thomas Jefferson’s White House. It is codified in their holy texts. The call for o the restoration of the Caliphate predates our “intervenist foreign policy.”

Psychopaths is a pretty strong word. Any comment on those who would behead civil engineers helping to rebuild their infrastructure, slit the throat and decaptitate journalists seeking inerviews and routinely mutilate the genitals of pre-pubescent girls to preclude their sexual pleasures — or for those who pledge the destruction of an entire race of people?

rrpjr on January 7, 2013 at 2:47 PM

…unless you wish to be a libtard.

Quartermaster on January 7, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Sticking one’s head in the ground and ignoring the wrold around them and the effect that it has on your own country’s sovereignty, does not make one a “concervative”. It makes one an isolationist, in the tradition of World War II’s Father Conklin.

kingsjester on January 7, 2013 at 2:47 PM

verbaluce on January 7, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Why are you always so foolish?

Schadenfreude on January 7, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Is there something you want to articulate?
Could you offer that in a slightly less churlish way?
Or not…

verbaluce on January 7, 2013 at 2:47 PM

There’s not a spit’s worth of diffrence between anarcho-capitalists and doper Liberal-tarians. And a high degree of overlap between the idiots in the Occupy movement and the Paulbots. They all are self-worshipping shitheads who expect other people to pay their freight, who demand absolute ‘freedom’ with zero responsibility. Which is also a large component of their disdain and disregard of our military. They’re cowards, terrified of the idea of service.

rayra on January 7, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Why don’t you spend a little time looking into libertarian theory and anarcho-capitalist theory before you start spouting off like an idiot?

I’m sure you’re MUCH closer on the big government / small government scales to the progressive side then any libertarians or anarcho-capitalists(which is about as far “right wing” as you can get)

Timin203 on January 7, 2013 at 2:47 PM

I’d say we are well on our way to becoming subjects.

MessesWithTexas on January 7, 2013 at 1:34 PM

I am not now, nor will I ever be *anyone’s* subject.

I’m taking my beginning shooters class tomorrow. Can’t wait.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 7, 2013 at 1:45 PM

Woohoo!

I prefer tyrants to be hung. Less expensive and the rope can be reused.

hawkeye54 on January 7, 2013 at 1:49 PM

You can always pry the lead out and recast it to reload, right?

We need guns so we can commit treason against our tyranical librel gubmint.

Pablo Honey on January 7, 2013 at 1:51 PM

Perhaps you should read this document.

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Being that I learned early this AM, that my mother may not survive the week…

annoyinglittletwerp on January 7, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Sorry to hear that. Prayers are with you.

Then maybe you shouldn’t be on the internet.

Dante on January 7, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Nothing else you ever say will redeem that.

GWB on January 7, 2013 at 2:48 PM

We need guns so we can commit treason against our tyranical librel gubmint.

[Pablo Honey on January 7, 2013 at 1:51 PM]

How is that treason. The purpose of the 2nd amendment is to acknowledge a the inalienable right of citizens to change the government if they find it too oppressive and tyrannical to keep in it’s current form and cannot do so by the other methods defined in the current government structure, i.e., the Constitution.

This is therefore constitutional, thus not treasonous.

I might also note that the reason for taking action in such a last constitutional step sort of way would be because the current government is acting unconstitutionally, not because the people don’t believe in, or don’t like, the constitution.

Dusty on January 7, 2013 at 2:48 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on January 7, 2013 at 2:33 PM

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Sorry to hear, it’s funny how from the (obviously) beginning of time we all know it’s going to happen, we have a lifetime to prepare…and we are never prepared.
Prayers to you and your family…

right2bright on January 7, 2013 at 2:46 PM

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Dittos.

listens2glenn on January 7, 2013 at 2:50 PM

verbaluce on January 7, 2013 at 2:47 PM

No, I’d just like for you to think/see, alas.

Schadenfreude on January 7, 2013 at 2:50 PM

Considering the way folks are into cats now, that shouldn’t be too hard.

kingsjester on January 7, 2013 at 2:39 PM

ALT, don’t get mad!!!

KJ, I’ve always had a kind of personal working theory about people. I’ve had it from childhood. Basically, there are, under my PT, two types of people: Dog People and Cat People. DPs are more analytical, right-brain wired/programmed, grounded, liberal (meaning less risk averse) financially (both personally and in business), fact-driven, and results-oriented. CPs are more emotion driven, left-brain wired/programmed, concerned about feelings, conservative (more risk averse) financially (both personally and in business), promise-driven, and intentions-oriented.

In other words, it is no surprise that Paul Krugman loves cats and I have despised them since one nearly took off my face when I was a small lass. Also, it is no surprise that “folks are into cats now” with Obama going into a second term. He was elected by CPs.

This is not to say that a member of the VRWC hates cats and Progs loathe dogs. Just that, in my life experience, more people on the Left have owned cats and more on the Right have owned dogs.

The flakier they are, the more cats they own.

**ducks while cat-lovers start hurling bricks**

Resist We Much on January 7, 2013 at 2:51 PM

right2bright on January 7, 2013 at 2:46 PM

I’m still taking my shooters course. My brother congratulated me on my choice of weapon. He said that Ma(and Dad) would’ve approved. Indeed.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 7, 2013 at 2:51 PM

I’s an opportunity to inform and instruct and make a negative example of idiocy. It won’t change ‘Dante’ one whit. It might help members of the audience to see what Dante espouses is utter garbage.

rayra on January 7, 2013 at 2:42 PM

We find these guys/gals every few months…that is how they get attention. If they “went along” they are not smart enough to seperate themselves or present new ideas…so they counter the obvious, the “right”, with these faux shock statements.

It’s their way of getting attention, if they just posted no one would bother with them. They often move from blog to blog, and they don’t care that they make fools of themselves, they get to have people “talk” about them, and I would imagine that’s about the only time they get that kind of attention…rather pitiful in a way. Like a child acting out to get attention.

Eventually they catch on that we are just making fun of them, and not taking their posts seriously, and they move on…what a sad life.

right2bright on January 7, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Well then, you’d be breaking the law. You can advocate to change it – seems many successfully did before.
But if you’re planning on breaking it – well then there goes that ‘law biding citizens’ line the NRA likes to throw around.

Also, very impressive he was able to get on camera at Fox News… with Steve Doocey, no less!

verbaluce on January 7, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Screw you, verbaluce. The CA Roberti-Roos AWB in 1989 sought to coerce registration and was massively disobeyed. The State govt didnt’ get 10% of the registrations they anticipated getting. And since their fumbling ban in ’89 and the worse attempted expansion of ’91, they crafted such a poor set of laws that now 100s of thousands of AR- and AK- type rifles are sold and built in CA every year. And done so legally well OUTSIDE of their massively flawed AWB Registration schema.

Unjust laws SHOULD be disobeyed. INFRINGEMENTS on the 2nd Amendment should be disobeyed. Politicians who swear oaths to support, uphold and defend the Constitution of these United States should be pilloried, tarred and feathered and hanged for their treasonous undermining betrayals of their oaths.
I took an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

rayra on January 7, 2013 at 2:51 PM

rrpjr on January 7, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Yes, they want to spread islam around the world. No, they have no chance of converting any significant amount of americans or westerners.

Yes, there is a unsettlingly large element that is okay with violence against infidels. No, these backwoods illiterate cave dwellers do not pose a real military risk to our country.

Let’s recognize the risk as what it is. It’s not something we should ignore, but it’s also not an existential threat like the government tries to make it out to be every time they want to expand their police powers to take away more and more of our freedoms.

Timin203 on January 7, 2013 at 2:51 PM

SWalker on January 7, 2013 at 2:43 PM

“Never Forget, even for an instant, that the one and only reason anybody has for taking your gun away is to make you weaker than he is, so he can do something to you that you wouldn’t allow him to do if you were equipped to prevent it. This goes for burglars, muggers, and rapists, and even more so for policemen, bureaucrats, and politicians.”
-Alexander Hope, from the novel “Hope” by L. Neil Smith and Aaron Zelman

And Take a look at what the Oppressives have said about guns:

Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas. Joseph Stalin

Every Communist must grasp the truth that political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. -Mao Zedong

One man with a gun can control 100 without one. Vladimir Lenin

A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie. Vladimir Lenin

We want them registered – Nancy Pelosi

Galt2009 on January 7, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Why do our leaders continue to pass laws that exempt themselves from compliance..? It is time for this to stop.

d1carter on January 7, 2013 at 2:52 PM

We need guns so we can commit treason against our tyranical librel gubmint.

[Pablo Honey on January 7, 2013 at 1:51 PM]

typical sodomite “logic”

tom daschle concerned on January 7, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Let’s recognize the risk as what it is. It’s not something we should ignore, but it’s also not an existential threat like the government tries to make it out to be every time they want to expand their police powers to take away more and more of our freedoms.

Timin203 on January 7, 2013 at 2:51 PM

The souls of the over 3,000 innocents who were murdered on September 11, 2001, vehemently disagree with you.

kingsjester on January 7, 2013 at 2:54 PM

I prefer tyrants to be hung. Less expensive and the rope can be reused.

hawkeye54 on January 7, 2013 at 1:49 PM


“Simplify, simplify, in all things simplify.”

A ziptie overtightened around the neck while standing next to an open grave into which they may then be pushed.

Much simpler, quicker and cleaner.

PolAgnostic on January 7, 2013 at 2:54 PM

Physician, heal thyself. Read history. The Islamic quest for supremacy and their condition of zero intolerance for infidels was articulated by a Muslim quest to Thomas Jefferson’s White House. It is codified in their holy texts. The call for o the restoration of the Caliphate predates our “intervenist foreign policy.”

rrpjr on January 7, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Here you go:

“Things started going awry for Americans in the Middle East when Thomas Jefferson attempted to negotiate with the ambassador of one of the Barbary states. Why, Jefferson asked at a meeting in London called to make peace, do you make war on a far off land that has never done you any harm? It was a reasonable question and it received a clear answer. The Tripolitanian ambassador, according to the U.S. diplomatic record of the meeting, explained what was happening from his perspective:

“It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy’s ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once.”

When Jefferson was inaugurated and refused further payment of tribute, the flag in front of the U.S. Consulate in Tripoli was hacked down, and hostilities commenced.

American intentions have been going awry in the Middle East since then.”

- Walter Russell Mead, Middle East Mess Part Two: Changing Strategies At The White House, 18 September 2012

Resist We Much on January 7, 2013 at 2:54 PM

rayra on January 7, 2013 at 2:51 PM

If only Feinstein would get it, the hypocritical thug and cheat.

She and her husband cheat Medicare by the multi-millions, ‘auditing’ Medicare under a variety of consultancies, caught in the cheating, quietly opened new firm, rinse, repeat. She and him s/b in jail.

Schadenfreude on January 7, 2013 at 2:55 PM

verbaluce on January 7, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Why are you always so foolish?

Schadenfreude on January 7, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Is there something you want to articulate?
Could you offer that in a slightly less churlish way?
Or not…

verbaluce on January 7, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Let me help…Why are you so F’in always so foolish…is that better?

Your welcome Schadenfreude, I think you just missed a word to make him/her understand.

right2bright on January 7, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Timin203 on January 7, 2013 at 2:51 PM

And please, tell me a “freedom” which you no longer have, because of the War on Terror?

kingsjester on January 7, 2013 at 2:55 PM

I prefer tyrants to be hung. Less expensive and the rope can be reused.

hawkeye54 on January 7, 2013 at 1:49 PM

“Simplify, simplify, in all things simplify.”

A ziptie overtightened around the neck while standing next to an open grave into which they may then be pushed.

Much simpler, quicker and cleaner.

PolAgnostic on January 7, 2013 at 2:54 PM

But not as symbolic…

SWalker on January 7, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Yes, they want to spread islam around the world. No, they have no chance of converting any significant amount of americans or westerners.

Timin203 on January 7, 2013 at 2:51 PM

They don’t have to convert the West to take it over, as the demographic changes in Europe are beginning to prove.

“We’re the ones who will change you. Just look at the development within Europe, where the number of Muslims is expanding like mosquitoes. Every Western woman in the EU is producing an average of 1.4 children. Every Muslim woman in the same countries is producing 3.5 children. Our way of thinking will prove more powerful than yours.”

- Norwegian Imam Mullah Krekar, Dagbladet, 2006

Resist We Much on January 7, 2013 at 2:57 PM

Resist We Much on January 7, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Fineswine’s proposal is nothing less than complete registration of modern arms, something the Left has desired for decades. And something the BATFE is explicitly forbidden to do (but which they do anyway, their illegal wholesale copying of FFL records is well documented and widespread).

REGISTRATION ALWAYS PRECEDES CONFISCATION WHICH ALWAYS PRECEDES MASS MURDER OF SUBJECT POPULATIONS.
Google ‘Democide’ for the litany of millions slain by gun-registering governments.

And here we have an administration ruled by marxists, whose Weather Underground mentors published their Mein Kampf – Prairie Fire – ~35yrs ago, wherein they blithely state the necessity of murdering 25 million Americans in order to complete their marxist revolution in America.

rayra on January 7, 2013 at 2:57 PM

verbaluce on January 7, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Why are you always so foolish?

Schadenfreude on January 7, 2013 at 2:43 PM

…trying to learn and emulate on a whole other spectrum …from the lowlife Dante?

KOOLAID2 on January 7, 2013 at 2:58 PM

I’m sorry to hear about your mother.

Night Owl on January 7, 2013 at 2:44 PM

She was STRONGLY pro second amendment.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 7, 2013 at 2:58 PM

If only Feinstein would get it, the hypocritical thug and cheat.

She and her husband cheat Medicare by the multi-millions, ‘auditing’ Medicare under a variety of consultancies, caught in the cheating, quietly opened new firm, rinse, repeat. She and him s/b in jail.

Schadenfreude on January 7, 2013 at 2:55 PM

When Bush gave her a pass on her and her husbands thieving ways, for exchange for her not to pursue and fight Bush on the wars, that is what really ticked me off about Bush.

He had her, lock proof, slam dunk, evidence of her pushing business to her husband (in “no” compete bids), and Bush needed support from a powerful dem, so he sold out.

right2bright on January 7, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Prayers ALT.

wolly4321 on January 7, 2013 at 2:59 PM

You’ve all probably seen the infographic making the rounds:

2011 Deaths

323 by “assault rifles”

496 by hammers

650 by knives

12,000 by drunk drivers

Just stop at the 12,000 number and realize that drunk drivers kill 20+ children each and every week … and you have never seen the President, other politicians wanting gun control or the media exploiting the tragic deaths of 26 people in Newton SHED ONE TEAR or EXPRESS ANY OUTRAGE about the deaths of the children killed by drunk drivers or say anything on how we must end the tragic deaths from DRUNK DRIVING.

We have all kinds of laws, licenses and traffic police supposedly “addressing” this problem. We also have judges who “forgive” multiple DUI’s from serial drunk driving offenders. If we MUST fix problems … let’s start with the really big ones we are ALREADY failing to fix and THEN move down the list.

PolAgnostic on January 7, 2013 at 2:59 PM

The souls of the over 3,000 innocents who were murdered on September 11, 2001, vehemently disagree with you.

kingsjester on January 7, 2013 at 2:54 PM

I see 9/11 more as failure of our government on just about any level, then as a successful military manuever that had any real goal. That’s part of the reason it was so terrible and evil, it was just a senseless, wimpy thing to do. Killing totally innocent people who are at work is not something anyone can really prepare for / defend against. If your goal is to just kill as many people as possible, it’s pretty easy to pull off anywhere.

Timin203 on January 7, 2013 at 2:51 PM

And please, tell me a “freedom” which you no longer have, because of the War on Terror?

kingsjester on January 7, 2013 at 2:55 PM

I can no longer walk around new york city without my every movement being tracked (literally) by cctv cameras and relayed to the federal government, I can no longer post on internet message boards, write emails, or send texts without every key stroke being recorded by the DHS in their utah super data center, I can no longer make phone calls with the knowledge that the calls are not being recorded and that I’m secure in my conversations.
I can also no longer trust local law enforcement as they have been drafted (via DHS fusion centers) as part of a federal law enforcement effect.

And most noticably, I can no longer fly on an airplane with out taking off my shoes, my belt, putting liquids in special containers, throwing my lighter out, and without getting invasive full body images or a sexually assaulting pat down.

There are plenty more, but that’s just the overview.

Timin203 on January 7, 2013 at 3:02 PM

Prayers ALT.

wolly4321 on January 7, 2013 at 2:59 PM

y’all are my family, so I’m hanging out here.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 7, 2013 at 3:03 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on January 7, 2013 at 2:33 PM

I’m so sorry. My condolences.

Resist We Much on January 7, 2013 at 3:03 PM

I am sorry ALT.

22044 on January 7, 2013 at 3:04 PM

SWalker on January 7, 2013 at 2:56 PM


Have you never heard the phrase, “the rope is too good for him”?

Hanging elevates the tyrant. The method I describe allows the camera to look down into the grave as they wiggle like a worm, sh1t themselves, die and then immediately have dirt pushed in upon them to let the worms get to work “recycling” the tyrant. Hard to make a “martyr” out of that approach.

PolAgnostic on January 7, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Twerp, Craigslist has a pets section for each community I found my new kitty there back in June He was rescued from an abuse situation. Often I see ads in that section for re-homing pets because someone passed away or went into a care facility. And often “no kill” rescue groups will take pets who lose their homes when someone dies. You will see their pet ads, also on Craigslist.

karenhasfreedom on January 7, 2013 at 3:07 PM

I’m sure you’re MUCH closer on the big government / small government scales to the progressive side then any libertarians or anarcho-capitalists(which is about as far “right wing” as you can get)

Timin203 on January 7, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Screw you, libertarian toad. And take your ridiculous political spectrum nonsense with you. The spectrum is actually circular, the far left and the far right meet on the backside. IT’s why I say there’s no significant difference between them in effect. They all want the same self-centered crap and the destruction of the status quo to achieve it.
It’s also why the left lies so hard about who the nazis were, choosing to focus solely on the right-fascist definition instead of acknowledging their actual socialist roots. And why the nazis were so anti-communist, in classic circular-firing squad style.
Hell their socialism is proven in their NAME. NAZI. Contraction of Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP). Which is National Socialist German Workers’ Party .

Anyway, take your corrupted and corrupting distortive labeling attempts and screw off. I’m not the least bit interested in the doper-Libertarian movement or its advocates. Their platform is asinine.

rayra on January 7, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Timin203 on January 7, 2013 at 3:02 PM

3 Questions:

1.Seriously, you’re blaming America for what murderous Radical Muslims from another country did?

2.What are you doing that’s so terrible that you do not want anyone watching you walking down the street?

3. Do you wear your tin foil hat like Napoleon, from side to side, or like Adminiral Nelson, from front to back?

kingsjester on January 7, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Resist We Much on January 7, 2013 at 2:57 PM

Yep. But thats a European immigration problem, not a US security problem (at this point, at least).

We have all kinds of laws, licenses and traffic police supposedly “addressing” this problem. We also have judges who “forgive” multiple DUI’s from serial drunk driving offenders. If we MUST fix problems … let’s start with the really big ones we are ALREADY failing to fix and THEN move down the list.

PolAgnostic on January 7, 2013 at 2:59 PM

DUI laws are already way more strict and out of control then they should be. And virtually every DUI-related statistic is completely made up — any accident in which any occupant of any vehicle involved has consumed alcohol is classified as an ‘alcohol related accident’. So the passenger in a car has a beer at home, the car he’s in gets rear ended later in the night, and the accident is now “alcohol related,” which makes all of these statistics look much worse then they are.

But yeah, lets throw people who have 3 drinks with dinner at a restaurant on their anniversary in jail and basically ruin their lives even though they were just minding their own business, driving down the road, going home.

Timin203 on January 7, 2013 at 3:07 PM

I prefer tyrants to be hung. Less expensive and the rope can be reused.

hawkeye54 on January 7, 2013 at 1:49 PM

“Simplify, simplify, in all things simplify.”

A ziptie overtightened around the neck while standing next to an open grave into which they may then be pushed.

Much simpler, quicker and cleaner.

PolAgnostic on January 7, 2013 at 2:54 PM

But not as symbolic…

SWalker on January 7, 2013

Call me old fashioned, but I still prefer a rope, a tree branch, and a bound tyrant, with assembly required.

And its a thing to consider – tarring, feathering and a throng filled parade out to the tree for the tyrant’s hanging should be an event worth televising and mandatory viewing as an inspiration and a warning to all.

hawkeye54 on January 7, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Well then, you’d be breaking the law. You can advocate to change it – seems many successfully did before.
But if you’re planning on breaking it – well then there goes that ‘law biding citizens’ line the NRA likes to throw around.

verbaluce on January 7, 2013 at 2:36 PM

So, we should obey unconstitutional, immoral laws? See, that is where you’re missing the whole subject/citizen distinction……..

GWB on January 7, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Yes, yes, you hate ron paul. This is the second time I’ve seen you post the exact same thing. I haven’t read the book, so I have no idea what he goes in to with zionism and why he ignores islam, but why do the names of his chapters matter so much to you?

Timin203 on January 7, 2013 at 2:41 PM

I don’t hate him as a person. I actually agree with a lot of what he says, but it is the final 10-15% that is just a crack-pot-conspiracy-theory too far. THAT I HATE because I does a disservice to libertarianism.

Why do the names of the chapters of his book matter to me? They don’t…other than the fact that it is obvious that he has a “Zionism” obsession and doesn’t seem to have a care in the world about Islamism. Other than that, they mean nothing. You can learn a lot about a person from what they omit…as much as you can from what they include. It tells you what they think are important and, obviously, Ron Paul doesn’t think Islamism is important or worth a chapter in a book he wrote a decade after 9/11.

Resist We Much on January 7, 2013 at 3:08 PM

The method I describe allows the camera to look down into the grave as they wiggle like a worm, sh1t themselves, die and then immediately have dirt pushed in upon them to let the worms get to work “recycling” the tyrant. Hard to make a “martyr” out of that approach.

Okay. I can go with that approach.

hawkeye54 on January 7, 2013 at 3:10 PM

“Simplify, simplify, in all things simplify.”

A ziptie overtightened around the neck while standing next to an open grave into which they may then be pushed.

Much simpler, quicker and cleaner.

PolAgnostic on January 7, 2013 at 2:54 PM

But they look prettier decorating gas station awnings and trees.

rayra on January 7, 2013 at 3:10 PM

Resist We Much on January 7, 2013 at 2:57 PM

Yep. But thats a European immigration problem, not a US security problem (at this point, at least).

You wrote “they have no chance of converting any significant amount of americans or westerners.”

They don’t NEED TO convert “westerners.” They are out-populating the West IN THE WEST, in Europe.

You did not limit your comment to the United States.

Resist We Much on January 7, 2013 at 3:11 PM

SWalker on January 7, 2013

Call me old fashioned, but I still prefer a rope, a tree branch, and a bound tyrant, with assembly required.

And its a thing to consider – tarring, feathering and a throng filled parade out to the tree for the tyrant’s hanging should be an event worth televising and mandatory viewing as an inspiration and a warning to all.

hawkeye54 on January 7, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Yup, me to, which is why I wrote/started The Stout Hemp Rope Party… it’s root’s are firmly grounded in the philosophies of America’s Founding Fathers.

SWalker on January 7, 2013 at 3:11 PM

rayra on January 7, 2013 at 2:51 PM

If only Feinstein would get it, the hypocritical thug and cheat.

She and her husband cheat Medicare by the multi-millions, ‘auditing’ Medicare under a variety of consultancies, caught in the cheating, quietly opened new firm, rinse, repeat. She and him s/b in jail.

Schadenfreude on January 7, 2013 at 2:55 PM

It isn’t that she doesn’t get it, it’s that she’s been terrified ever since her fellow SanFran councilman Harvey Mik was gunned down in 1978. She’s been working against private gun ownership ever since. She knows EXACTLY what she is doing. Just like that menopausal monster Carolyn McCarthy (Dumbass, Long Island). And now Gabby Giffords and her ex-astronaut husband. And Sarah Brady.

rayra on January 7, 2013 at 3:13 PM

Condolences about your mom, alt

Schadenfreude on January 7, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Just got the call.
The late Mother of Twerp raised a spitfyre.
No sympathy-ALL venom.
ESOD Dante!!!

annoyinglittletwerp on January 7, 2013 at 2:33 PM

So sorry, ALT. I lost mine exactly one month ago, so I’m keenly aware what your hurt is.

Forget Dante. He’s nobody to you.

BillH on January 7, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Timin203 on January 7, 2013 at 2:51 PM

And please, tell me a “freedom” which you no longer have, because of the War on Terror?

kingsjester on January 7, 2013 at 2:55 PM

‘Patriot Act! Bushitler! Illegal War! Waterboarding! Rawk!’

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rayra on January 7, 2013 at 3:15 PM

Forget Dante. He’s nobody to you.

BillH on January 7, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Fix’d that to reflect reality… ;)

SWalker on January 7, 2013 at 3:15 PM

As opposed to being infuriated for being manipulated into believing that Islam is a threat and that our government and its policies aren’t the threat? You’re being fooled.

Dante on January 7, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Are you a political jihadist or what?

Muslim countries constantly wage war against their own women, christians and jews. Saudi Arabia even makes it illegal to read our bible in their country. There is no tolerance of other views in Muslim countries. Thus they have no problem forcing their views through Jihad. Some use political others violence but it is the duty of every single Muslim to wage Jihad. The holy books demand it.

You could not be blind to these facts so the only logical conclusion is you are waging political jihad by lying to us.

Steveangell on January 7, 2013 at 3:16 PM

‘Patriot Act! Bushitler! Illegal War! Waterboarding! Rawk!’

/

rayra on January 7, 2013 at 3:15 PM

BWAHAHAHAH… You forgot the Evil Sith Lord Darth Cheney… o_O

SWalker on January 7, 2013 at 3:17 PM

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