Open thread: The obligatory “Notre Dame vs. Alabama” post

posted at 8:01 pm on January 7, 2013 by Allahpundit

8 p.m. ET on ESPN. When trekking across a news desert, we drink at any oasis we find. Besides, it’s either this or another Hagel thread.

At WaPo, author Michael Leahy wonders: Do Catholics have a duty to root for the Irish?

[T]o this day, Notre Dame remains a political and social battleground for American Catholics. The university’s invitation for President Obama to deliver the 2009 commencement address became a national controversy, with conservative Catholics opposing the president’s positions on abortion rights and stem-cell research. And last year, the university filed suit against the federal government, seeking to overturn a requirement in Obama’s health-care law that employers offer insurance plans including contraception coverage — a move that more politically moderate church members resented, concerned that Notre Dame would seek to deprive women, Catholic or not, of such coverage.

So it was perhaps inevitable that the school and the football team, two of the church’s paramount American symbols, would come to be viewed with a mix of weariness and cynicism by a new generation. To some Catholics, Notre Dame is that righteous relative who arrives at the holiday dinner beating his chest over his fealty and good deeds — the one there to remind others at the table that they have not measured up…

That perception has solidified in the years since, with the realization that some gifted players never will attract Notre Dame’s interest, beginning with academically underachieving high school stars whom other universities are only too happy to grab — the football giants in the Southeastern Conference, including Alabama, among them. In big-game trash-talking before Monday’s championship contest, some Irish fans’ T-shirts mock the perceived socioeconomic station of their Southern, state-school opponent. “Catholics vs. Convicts” has given way to “Golden Domers vs. Mobile Homers” and “Catholics vs. Cousins.”…

In its defense, the university can point to the graduation rate of its football players — it’s the highest among the big teams in the nation, and this is the first time that the leader in graduation is also tops in the polls — as evidence that the school has its priorities in order. This seems to be Notre Dame’s lasting, self-imposed role in sports: the earnest ethicist, the dogged standard-maker, the nag — much like the church felt to me in my youth.

ND looked good against the two top-ten teams they played this year, but if you watched them barely survive against BYU, Purdue, and Pitt, it’s hard to see them beating the lords of the SEC. Leahy’s pick: The Tide by two touchdowns. I agree. But then, an atheist would say that.


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Tired of Nick Satan.

digitalintrigue on January 7, 2013 at 8:03 PM

Sweet home Alabama.

Bishop on January 7, 2013 at 8:03 PM

HotAir cares about the college fans? Cool!

And apparently Miami is awesome because both straight AND gay people live there. I would’ve never known that.

Alabama wins an easy one.

Transpo on January 7, 2013 at 8:03 PM

ND loses, but hopefully they can keep it close. Seems like most of the bowl games and the playoffs thus far have been total duds.

Dead Hand Control on January 7, 2013 at 8:04 PM

It’s the Alabama Kissin’ Cousins vs the Notre Dame Cussin’ Catholics!

Whooppeeeeeeeeee!

predator on January 7, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Somebody’s gotta say it…

Roll Tide.

BacaDog on January 7, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Oh oh!

Mr. Joe on January 7, 2013 at 8:07 PM

…I’m sitting this one out!…can’t go against God…and though he left MSU…I’m starting to like Nick Satan.

KOOLAID2 on January 7, 2013 at 8:07 PM

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Another snoozer:

Bama 13
ND 9

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Captain Kirock on January 7, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Q: What did the N.D. offensive linemen get on their college entrance exams?

A: Drool

predator on January 7, 2013 at 8:11 PM

What does every Alabama player want for a graduation gift?

Crimson dentures.

predator on January 7, 2013 at 8:13 PM

I will predict the winner by halftime or if its close no later than the end of the third quarter.

SparkPlug on January 7, 2013 at 8:14 PM

I just check tomorrow to see who “didn’t lose but just ran out of time” this time.

Dusty on January 7, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Finally. The national anthem without some dumba$$ artistic interpretation.

Did I say Roll Tide?

BacaDog on January 7, 2013 at 8:17 PM

ND will win the coin toss. They have great coin tossers.

SparkPlug on January 7, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Do they have one of those stupid half time shows like they do with the Super Bowl? I can’t remember. I won’t watch it anyway; I’m just curious.

predator on January 7, 2013 at 8:19 PM

From Outkick the Coverage 15 reasons to hate both Alabama and Notre Dame.

Bigfoot on January 7, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Can’t stand France.

Roll Tide.

fogw on January 7, 2013 at 8:23 PM

Go Irish. Win one for the Gipper!

Naturally Curly on January 7, 2013 at 8:26 PM

Modern-Day US Green Man comes from ‘It’s Always Sunny In Philadelphia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLYYo-7s9Sg

sentinelrules on January 7, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Catholic Smatholic. Whatever. I will never forgive them for having the most pro death President give that speech.

Go Alabama!

CW on January 7, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Bama.

bazil9 on January 7, 2013 at 8:30 PM

I can’t get that stupid Steely Dan song outta my head.

I’ll learn to work the saxophone…

Fallon on January 7, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Bama.

bazil9 on January 7, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Me too. Xoxox b9

SparkPlug on January 7, 2013 at 8:33 PM

I can only root for a good game. I really dislike Alabama–the new Yankees of college football. Then there’s Notre Dame. It’s like an inverted Sophie’s Choice without being, you know, anything like that, really.

Tom_Shipley on January 7, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Gosh! There is just no better sports broadcaster than Burnt Hamburger.

ExpressoBold on January 7, 2013 at 8:33 PM

It’s either this or another Hagel thread? Really Allah? I think you can do better. It’s not like there aren’t other interesting things going on which you could cover or reflect on.

lexhamfox on January 7, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Gosh! There is just no better sports broadcaster than Burnt Hamburger.

ExpressoBold on January 7, 2013 at 8:33 PM

I thought his last name was “Wussburger.” I should pay more attention.

predator on January 7, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Gosh! There is just no better sports broadcaster than Burnt Hamburger.

ExpressoBold on January 7, 2013 at 8:33 PM

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: )
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He made that TD run look easy, didn’t he?

listens2glenn on January 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM

Looks like somebody wants an “open football” thread which includes soccerptui!

ExpressoBold on January 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM

‘Bama touchdown=moonshine shots for all

predator on January 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM

It’s either this or another Hagel thread? Really Allah? I think you can do better. It’s not like there aren’t other interesting things going on which you could cover or reflect on.

lexhamfox on January 7, 2013 at 8:33 PM

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HEY ! … We want this thread, dang blast it.

listens2glenn on January 7, 2013 at 8:39 PM

Do Catholics have a duty to root for the Irish?

Not if they went to Marquette.

Tom_Shipley on January 7, 2013 at 8:39 PM

Me too. Xoxox b9

SparkPlug on January 7, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Don’t get me all hot now-my Yankee doodle. :)
The Fl panhandle is part of Bama..we are close. :)
(Gator Fan myself)
ND? Bahwahahaha..My Grammy was fighting Irish- them..not so much.

bazil9 on January 7, 2013 at 8:40 PM

lexhamfox on January 7, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Many other sites-go.
I do.
Simple ding-a-ling.

bazil9 on January 7, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Roll Tide

Southernblogger on January 7, 2013 at 8:42 PM

I thought his last name was “Wussburger.” I should pay more attention.

predator on January 7, 2013 at 8:35 PM

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If ND wins, Wussburger Hamburger will fill up his Depends with excitement.
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ND already has to say 10 Hail Marys and 10 Our Fathers to atone for 20 penalty yards. All the players have to do it.

ExpressoBold on January 7, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Tom_Shipley on January 7, 2013 at 8:33 PM

When we want to hear from an ass we’ll fart

Rio Linda Refugee on January 7, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Two yards to get a first down, and you throw down field twice? Afraid to run the ball, ND?

predator on January 7, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Rio Linda Refugee on January 7, 2013 at 8:42 PM

You must be lovely at dinner parties.

Tom_Shipley on January 7, 2013 at 8:45 PM

here in Possum Holler is there any doubt?

S. E. C.

PappyD61 on January 7, 2013 at 8:45 PM

When we want to hear from an ass we’ll fart

Rio Linda Refugee on January 7, 2013 at 8:42 PM

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LOL! I am so stealing that one!

ExpressoBold on January 7, 2013 at 8:46 PM

I will predict the winner by halftime or if its close no later than the end of the third quarter.

SparkPlug on January 7, 2013 at 8:14 PM

Magic 8 Ball ?

KOOLAID2 on January 7, 2013 at 8:46 PM

You must be lovely at dinner parties.

Tom_Shipley on January 7, 2013 at 8:45 PM

And I am betting that you are not.

Rio Linda Refugee on January 7, 2013 at 8:48 PM

News flash for Notre Dame: This ain’t no movie.

Curtiss on January 7, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Hmmmmm, seems that ND defense has some gaping holes in it.

ExpressoBold on January 7, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Later, I’m gonna watch the rest of this in bed.

Bama 31-7.

predator on January 7, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Or worse.

predator on January 7, 2013 at 8:53 PM

Notre Dame is #1???

gophergirl on January 7, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Somebody didn’t eat their Lucky Charms.

Roll Tide.

fogw on January 7, 2013 at 8:54 PM

gophergirl on January 7, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Not for long. You have to whip the cream of the crop to win the SEC.There are no Eastern Michigan Techs there.

Southernblogger on January 7, 2013 at 9:02 PM

Notre Dame is #1???

gophergirl on January 7, 2013 at 8:54 PM

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Ummm, we’re all #1 in G-d’s eyes.

ExpressoBold on January 7, 2013 at 9:02 PM

God why couldn’t you allow UGA to win in the SEC championship? As expected, Notre Dame isn’t nearly as good as Bama.

Donald Draper on January 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM

To walk the streets of gold,
You gotta know the password,

“Roll, Tide, Roll!”

Bear Bryant

sandspur on January 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM

FACT: Ohio State is 12-0 and hasn’t lost to Notre Dame in over 75 years.

Hope I don’t get trollcotted :P

Guess I have to cheer for Alamaba, since Ohio State fans drew the “Go to jail… do not pass Go or win the National Championship” card this year :(

Glenn Jericho on January 7, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Wow, that throw was low and outside… when do pitchers and catchers start spring training?

ExpressoBold on January 7, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Question?

How many States carry Baremans Milk?

canopfor on January 7, 2013 at 9:05 PM

when do pitchers and catchers start spring training?

ExpressoBold on January 7, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Not nearly soon enough

Rio Linda Refugee on January 7, 2013 at 9:08 PM

In the abscense of Dawgs Roll Tide. My neice is a freshman there and my neighbors son plays for Bama.

ldbgcoleman on January 7, 2013 at 9:09 PM

Hilarious to see how much the sports media tried to hype this as an ‘epic’ match-up just because of ND’s history and the importance of the program, legacy-wise.

Irish are out of their league, this is a complete mismatch, and Bama will take it by 3 TDs easily.

Good Solid B-Plus on January 7, 2013 at 9:12 PM

FACT: Ohio State is 12-0 and hasn’t lost to Notre Dame in over 75 years.

Hope I don’t get trollcotted :P

Guess I have to cheer for Alamaba, since Ohio State fans drew the “Go to jail… do not pass Go or win the National Championship” card this year :(

Glenn Jericho on January 7, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Maybe it was for the best. I love the Buckeyes, but I would have hated to see them get rolled by yet another SEC team, after the embarrassing performances against LSU and Florida.

Good Solid B-Plus on January 7, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Essentially 21 points in the first quarter for Sweet Home Alabama against Note I’m Dumb (they haven’t scored yet but they are right there, just on the cusp of the goal line). What’s with ND, too much Christmas Turkey?

ExpressoBold on January 7, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Glenn Jericho on January 7, 2013 at 9:04 PM

What a game it would have been Bama v OSU

sandspur on January 7, 2013 at 9:14 PM

21-0 after 1 quarter, I’m going to bed.

NotCoach on January 7, 2013 at 9:15 PM

FACT: Ohio State is 12-0 and hasn’t lost to Notre Dame in over 75 years.

Hope I don’t get trollcotted :P

Guess I have to cheer for Alamaba, since Ohio State fans drew the “Go to jail… do not pass Go or win the National Championship” card this year :(

Glenn Jericho on January 7, 2013 at 9:04 PM

The fact that Wisconsin made the Rose Bowl this year was disgusting.

Ohio State should be in this game.

gophergirl on January 7, 2013 at 9:19 PM

whens notre dam’es vaunted “fearsome forceps” going to get into gear.

c’mon notre dame, time to try the deadly clothes hanger formation.

alamaba will be prematurely dead in no time.

renalin on January 7, 2013 at 9:20 PM

What a game it would have been Bama v OSU

sandspur on January 7, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Or OBama v the entire OSU team…
IT’S CLOBBERIN’ TIME!!!!!
;)

Glenn Jericho on January 7, 2013 at 9:25 PM

As an aggie…. We want Alabama to beat the he!! Out of notre dame!!!

Aggie85 on January 7, 2013 at 9:30 PM

FACT: Ohio State is 12-0 and hasn’t lost to Notre Dame in over 75 years.

Hope I don’t get trollcotted :P

Guess I have to cheer for Alamaba, since Ohio State fans drew the “Go to jail… do not pass Go or win the National Championship” card this year :(

Glenn Jericho on January 7, 2013 at 9:04 PM

The only reason ND is even in the top ten is because of the teams that can’t qualify…Ohio State, Penn State, etc. Not saying it’s right or wrong but it was definitely a break for ND, the school that’s afraid to be in a conference.

Deanna on January 7, 2013 at 9:30 PM

DirectTV Jeannie! Wow! She’s destined for… big… things…

ExpressoBold on January 7, 2013 at 9:34 PM

Tom_Shipley on January 7, 2013 at 8:33 PM

I think that Congress needs to come up with some legislation to make the whole thing more ‘fair’..

BigWyo on January 7, 2013 at 9:36 PM

This thread will probably be more interesting than the rest of the game.
Assuming y’all keep watching it.
I understand if you don’t. :)

22044 on January 7, 2013 at 9:44 PM

#1 is underdog to #2… what a pantload. That doesn’t even make sense.

ExpressoBold on January 7, 2013 at 9:50 PM

Seriously this is humiliating.

My Gophers could have played better than this and the Gophers aren’t good.

gophergirl on January 7, 2013 at 9:56 PM

Headline later tonight: “Alabama Destroys Notre Dame”
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Burnt Hamburger: “If this was a prize fight, it would be called off!”

ExpressoBold on January 7, 2013 at 9:58 PM

Just as I thought. The National Championship game was Dec 1 in the Georgia Dome.

NeoDawg on January 7, 2013 at 10:00 PM

Those Fightin’ Irish are feeling the Pachyderm Stomp.

raz0r on January 7, 2013 at 10:01 PM

NeoDawg on January 7, 2013 at 10:00 PM

+1

d1carter on January 7, 2013 at 10:02 PM

now now now notre biatches, barack got you to the game. he didn’t promise you a win.

renalin on January 7, 2013 at 10:04 PM

Lou Holtz is on suicide watch.

I’d love to see him and Mark May for the halftime analysis.

Oh, Roll Tide.

And the SEC kicks a$$.

BacaDog on January 7, 2013 at 10:05 PM

Normally I couldn’t care less about a bunch of overgrown kids in funny clothes fighting over an odd-shaped toy ball, but…

My wife works for a company that will get a huge order if Alabama beats Notre Dame.

Roll over them, Tide!

Cha-ching!

Burnt Hamburger: “If this was a prize fight, it would be called off!”

ExpressoBold on January 7, 2013 at 9:58 PM

LOL!

itsnotaboutme on January 7, 2013 at 10:07 PM

The Tide by two touchdowns. I agree. But then, an atheist would say that.

AP picks the Bible Belt team FTW!

itsnotaboutme on January 7, 2013 at 10:10 PM

This is just too sad to watch anymore. Good thing the PGA’s still on in Hawaii.

Rovin on January 7, 2013 at 10:11 PM

itsnotaboutme on January 7, 2013 at 10:07 PM

Hmmm.
Roll Tide, cause the markets depend on it?

22044 on January 7, 2013 at 10:16 PM

My collie says:

Apparently, the luck of the Irish is highly overrated.

It’s their team that’s overrated, collie. It was mostly their luck that got them into the championship game.

CyberCipher on January 7, 2013 at 10:16 PM

Halftime,
Alabama 28, Notre Dame 0

Oh, and who beat Alabama?

Right, Johnny F and the Aggies.

Who’s No. 1?

Tenwheeler on January 7, 2013 at 10:19 PM

As someone who was proud to be accepted by Notre Dame in 1991 (but couldn’t afford to attend) I am sad to say, as a Catholic school graduate that Notre Dame of 2013 is no more Catholic an institution as Alabama.

So I will go with my Kentucky bias and chant SEC! SEC! SEC!

wildcat72 on January 7, 2013 at 10:20 PM

I predict if ND comes back to win, Lou Holtz’s lisp will disappear.

NeoDawg on January 7, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Manti who?

Doesn’t look like ND could beat any ranked SEC team.

Charlemagne on January 7, 2013 at 10:29 PM

Notre who?

Galtian on January 7, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Here’s a good tweet: Karl Rove refuses to call the title game for Alabama until all the stats are in.

Galtian on January 7, 2013 at 10:37 PM

This was so utterly predictable. The national championship game was played in Atlanta in early December. ESPN credibility hardest hit, I mean seriously why was Notre Dame even in this game?

Ellis on January 7, 2013 at 10:43 PM

Another good tweet: The Pope just gave Notre Dame to the Mormons…

Galtian on January 7, 2013 at 10:45 PM

I mean seriously why was Notre Dame even in this game?

Ellis on January 7, 2013 at 10:43 PM

I suspect that money had something to do with it.

CyberCipher on January 7, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Oh looky. The Irish scored.

My collie says:

Zzzzzz. Zzzzzz.

CyberCipher on January 7, 2013 at 10:49 PM

The biggest winner is AJ McCarron’s girlfriend.

Galtian on January 7, 2013 at 10:51 PM

Who’s No. 1?

Tenwheeler on January 7, 2013 at 10:19 PM

Alabama in about 20 minutes.

BacaDog on January 7, 2013 at 10:51 PM

Mangine with an epic fail.

tomas on January 7, 2013 at 10:55 PM

National sports media cabal is pissed.

for decades they have awaited the rise back to the top of the Golden boys of Notre Dame.

….and now once again the rednecks gone wild beat the perty boy school.

Hicks and Hayseeds ferever!!

Let’s roll S.E.C.

PappyD61 on January 7, 2013 at 10:57 PM

So much for the vaunted Irish run defense.

BacaDog on January 7, 2013 at 11:01 PM

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