Quotes of the day

posted at 8:31 pm on January 5, 2013 by Allahpundit

In the first closed-door meeting of the Republican majority in the new Congress, newly reelected House Speaker John A. Boehner on Friday promised a robust fight with President Obama to cut spending in exchange for raising the nation’s debt limit.

The Ohio Republican doubled-down on his insistence that there must be at least a dollar-per-dollar match between spending reductions and continued borrowing.

“With the cliff behind us, the focus turns to spending,” Boehner said, according to a source in the room who requested anonymity to discuss the private meeting. “The president says he isn’t going to have a debate with us over the debt ceiling. He also says he’s not going to cut spending along with the debt limit hike.”

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Rep. Dave Camp (R-Mich.) called for spending cuts and entitlement reform in the GOP weekly address on Saturday.

Camp, who chairs the tax-writing Ways and Means Committee, said Democrats have not been wiling to put real spending cuts on the table in deficit-reduction negotiations, including the most recent talks to avoid the “fiscal cliff.”

“That position is irresponsible and fails to acknowledge what every family in America already knows – when you have no more money in your account and your credit cards are maxed out, then the spending must stop,” Camp said.

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[W]hat is Obama going to do when he reveals his budget next month? What is his position going into budget showdowns over the course of his second term? There’s still room for him to push for more taxes, but he has conceded setting the threshold for increased income taxes at $400,000 instead of $250,000. If he wants to avoid new tax increases on 98-99 percent of households, and has already raised $617 billion, there’s an upper limit to how much additional revenue he could propose. Maybe he can come up with another few hundred billion, or approach $800 billion, by getting rid of various deductions and loopholes in the tax code. But there isn’t much room beyond that. The few hundred billion in savings he could theoretically find by tweaking mandatory programs and health care in a way Democrats may be able to swallow would largely be offset by the stimulus spending he still wants to push. It’s harder to argue that intransigent Republicans are standing in the way of deficit reduction when most of his deficit reduction proposal has already been enacted.

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The truth of course is that it’s Congress that has incurred the debts, not the president. The only reason the president appears to be in the position of being the one seeking the increase is that any sitting administration (its Treasury Department) is the one that actually has to pay the bills. That’s a pretty sweet deal for Congress. They run up the bills, and then, when the president asks them for the money to pay off the bills that they incurred, they say no!

Obama, in my memory, never once pointed this out in 2011, but he has already done so this time around: “I will not have another debate with this Congress over whether or not they should pay the bills that they’ve already racked up through the laws that they passed,” he said on New Year’s night, after the House passed the cliff bill.

He needs to bang this home with an intensity like it’s October in a presidential campaign. First and foremost, he has to get the business world on his side, such that they’re willing at least privately to come down on the Republicans like a ton of bricks. In 2011, these titans had to hedge their positions because most of them were hoping a Republican president would be elected the next year. But Obama is in the captain’s chair for four more years. There’s no political point to such hedging now.

Second, he should use the State of the Union to drive home the absurdity of the situation, and the outrageousness of it. He needs to turn and face the assembled Republicans and say directly to them: “You fooled me once in 2011. I won’t get fooled again. No negotiating means no negotiating.”

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So there are the GOP’s choices:

1. Give Obama his way on the debt ceiling, in which case the USA accelerates towards becoming Greece and the GOP become pointless as a political party.
2. Fight but cave, as they have done so often, in which case the USA accelerates towards becoming Greece and the GOP become pointless as a political party.
3. Find a way to throw the steering window out of the window of their car.
4. Convince Obama that they really are crazy (like a fox).

In the long run, options 3 and 4 are not just brave politics but also good economic policy…

The last time we went through this exercise, I counseled the GOP not to play chicken with Obama. But when facts change, I change my opinions. It’s become clear that Obama and the Democrats cannot be trusted to cut spending. It’s become clear from what Obama and Schumer are saying that the Democrats are going to insist on turning the debt ceiling into a chicken game.

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For conservatives, all of this should come as a relief. With Mitt Romney’s defeat in November, most recognize that any big deals favoring their positions are impossible. Barack Obama is no Bill Clinton, and there is no hope of a grand center-right bargain with him, let alone the Democratic Senate. Obama, Boehner, and Reid are not going to cut a deal on entitlement reform in the way Clinton, Newt Gingrich, and Trent Lott made a deal on welfare reform in 1996. But to say that there will likely be no big breakthroughs means that the left can expect to be stultified as well.

The Beltway punditocracy will, of course, bemoan gridlock. But the blame is misdirected. Our system of government is designed to impede reforms not backed by a broad majority, and the country remains deeply divided. While most Americans agree that the status quo is unacceptable, there is no consensus on what to do about any major issue. Thus, for the next two years, we should expect Washington to accomplish little.

Unfortunately, all of this is a consequence of the last election. Conservatives had hoped to provide the public a clear contrast on the issues of spending, taxes, and economic growth, and that the electorate would come down definitively on one side or the other. The people declined to do that, and the result of their demurral will be at least two more years of stagnation.

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Democrats want more revenue so that the entitlement system doesn’t have to be reformed, while Republicans want to reform the entitlement system so that the government doesn’t have to take up more of the economy. This means that doing a good deal of each at the same time would not give both parties what they want—it would give both parties what they are trying to avoid.

A grand bargain with far higher taxes in return for a thoroughly transformed entitlement system would give each party the means it is after but at the cost of the end it is after. That would be a foolish bargain for both of them. They would rather do nothing, and so in fact they have done nearly nothing—reaching agreements to put off deadlines and avert self-inflicted pain but otherwise not changing the basic fiscal circumstances much. These tiny steps are worth taking, but they do not address the underlying problem. Since our deficits and debt grow larger in the meantime, there will always need to be another deadline set, and another crisis scheduled, but it is hard to see why those should turn out much differently, at least as long as either party has the electoral power to stop the other.

At some point, in other words, the fiscal question dividing the parties will be decided by voters. It will likely not happen in some dramatic fashion with one decisive election fought over the future of America, but in the normal and gradual course of our politics. It may even happen by accident—after an election fought mostly on other issues that gives one party or another enough control of the elected branches to advance its fiscal reforms. Until then, both parties will likely continue their defensive efforts, and seek whatever modest incremental steps are possible in an era of divided government.

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President Obama can make a better argument. Congress has given him an impossible task: to implement a large number of costly public projects with less money than those projects cost. If he cuts spending, then he violates constitutional norms that give Congress the power to determine spending. If he raises revenues by borrowing or trying to tax people, then he violates constitutionals norms that give Congress the power to borrow or tax. In the face of contradictory instructions from Congress, the president can’t avoid choosing—by virtue of his administrative role as collector and disburser of revenues, the president must do something. Where Congress fails to provide him with consistent instructions, he has the discretion to do what he believes is in the public interest. If the economy were to be on the point of collapse, he could cite emergency powers sanctified by tradition as his authority for borrowing beyond the debt ceiling on his own. But a less drastic argument is that the power to resolve conflicting congressional orders is inherent in the president’s administrative role. Indeed, presidents frequently face conflicting statutes as they govern, and they have long enjoyed a great deal of discretion in resolving them…

[F]or government to function, the dysfunctional institutions within it must give way. The president has spoken softly for long enough; now it is time for him to wield the big stick and raise the debt ceiling on his own.

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We still need to do more to put Americans back to work while also putting this country on a path to pay down its debt. And our economy can’t afford more protracted showdowns or manufactured crises along the way. Because even as our businesses created 2 million new jobs last year – including 168,000 new jobs last month – the messy brinksmanship in Congress made business owners more uncertain and consumers less confident…

And as I said earlier this week, one thing I will not compromise over is whether or not Congress should pay the tab for a bill they’ve already racked up. If Congress refuses to give the United States the ability to pay its bills on time, the consequences for the entire global economy could be catastrophic. The last time Congress threatened this course of action, our entire economy suffered for it. Our families and our businesses cannot afford that dangerous game again.

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“We blame politics — always [saying] Washington is all dysfunctional,” Brooks said. “They’re responding reasonably efficiently to what the American people want, which is to take the future’s money and spend it on ourselves. … So I do think it starts with the American people.”

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Why are the GOP straight up *inventing* State Department e-mails out of thin air? What possible purpose could it serve?

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 7:18 AM

So says the Lib whose administration has provided 94 of 25,000 documents and whose one same Ms Nuland has uttered “do we want Congress knowing we didn’t heed warnings”….golf clap.

hillsoftx on May 17, 2013 at 8:20 AM

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 8:16 AM

Gibber all you want, bubi.

You have NO credibility around here.

But I do see you constantly defending yourself. That tells me a lot, because I have seen you so many times and for so long.

The people here who rise against you aren’t at fault, no matter what you think of your pitiful self.

We rise against you because YOU ARE YOU.

End of story there, whether you like it or not.

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 8:23 AM

Scum or otherwise, there is nothing ‘pure’ about a liberal.

While I agree with you in full, I find liberals to always be tainted somehow.

+100 to you

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 7:54 AM

tainted” “pure scum”? haha I know what you mean, though. :)

This is the kind of immoral, unintentionally comedic mental case who should be only ignored or mocked here:

I’m probably more christian than anyone here.

HotAirLib on May 16, 2013 at 9:35 PM

Unspiritual d-bags like HAL are like the Jews who thought they were more Jewish & closer to God than Jesus Himself while they were pressuring Pilate to crucify Him.

Anti-Control on May 17, 2013 at 8:26 AM

Republicans must guard against the temptation to count on scandal to deliver election victories in 2014 and 2016.

Perhaps you confuse a mere political scandal with clear evidence of widespread oppressive intimidation and law breaking by an calloused all powerful government with a “mere” scandal?

The idiots understand fear easily enough. Therefore, it is the GOP’s role to help them to start shaking deep inside over this abuse that our forefather’s knew would come from only from our own government.
Follow the Chicago way and double down on this perfect opportunity to rid our nation of the evil called Godless liberalism as government. It is anything but “just a scandal.” It is a once in a lifetime opportunity.

Don L on May 17, 2013 at 8:27 AM

the IRS should be sued in the most public manner possible.

BuckeyeSam on May 17, 2013 at 8:16 AM

Oh, how that would educate the people. Not gonna happen.

Saltysam on May 17, 2013 at 8:29 AM

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“These guys are awfully frustrated right now,” Carville said, referring to the GOP. “They’re taking the anger out, and I understand that. I think the White House has just go to live with this for 30 days, get the truth out and you know, just roll with the punches here. They’re down to swinging pretty wildly here.”

Why do I suspect that if he were around in 1941, that he’d be directing the Zeros to their targets? What total lack of moral character.

Don L on May 17, 2013 at 8:30 AM

Historically speaking, now would be about the right time for Obama and company to stage a false flag operation/Reichstag fire episode. Hopefully he or Jarrett and company won’t go after Michelle, for whom I am feeling some small amount of sympathy.
I think that I put my tinfoil hat on a bit too tight today.

justltl on May 17, 2013 at 8:37 AM

No, they are not decent people. They are either defending the actions this administration has taken or even gloating over the fact that they so effectively subdued the TP and are getting away with it.

I used to think that some of the comments about reeducation camps and such nonsense were the stuff of tin foil brigades. Fun to joke about, but far-fetched. These days, I just don’t know. I think they’re capable of anything.

hawkdriver on May 17, 2013 at 6:37 AM

To successfully implement a working Gulag system geography is a consideration?

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 8:39 AM

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 7:09 AM

Hold on tight to that thread. I’m sure it’ll support your weight.

http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/05/14/The-White-House-s-New-Game-The-Benghazi-Emails-Were-Doctored

NotCoach on May 17, 2013 at 8:39 AM

Oh, how that would educate the people. Not gonna happen.

Saltysam on May 17, 2013 at 8:29 AM

I disagree: this is just starting. The GOP is just getting on top of this issue, and the media is just now getting around to paying attention to it. Sekulow has 15 to 25 clients already. People–small businesses and individuals–are now coming out of the woodwork in addition to these tea party groups.

Look, liberals (see that Jon Stewart video) are exasperated by all this. I’m sure that liberals like some of the Morning Joe panels are just p*ssed that the IRS got caught. But non-ideologues will not go for seeing individuals, businesses, and legitimate charities harrassed by the IRS. I really do think that this is a solid 60% outrage issue, with another 10% to 20% knowing it’s dead wrong but not voicing an opinion because–whatever their issue–they can’t side with conservatives. That leaves the crazy 20% who who believe the only problem is that the IRS got caught.

BuckeyeSam on May 17, 2013 at 8:41 AM

Why do I suspect that if he were around in 1941, that he’d be directing the Zeros to their targets? What total lack of moral character.

Don L on May 17, 2013 at 8:30 AM

Yep, and I admit I find it very cute when they project that deficiency onto Repubs, as though we are just as amoral as they are.

They are extremely stupid when it comes to understanding their own psychology, let alone when it comes to understanding how others’ minds work.

Anti-Control on May 17, 2013 at 8:43 AM

NotCoach on May 17, 2013 at 8:39 AM

Yeah, I was going to say that I’d read that almost as soon as libs were dancing on tables, that lame WH effort had already been debunked by the very emails they distributed.

BuckeyeSam on May 17, 2013 at 8:43 AM

the IRS should be sued in the most public manner possible.

BuckeyeSam on May 17, 2013 at 8:16 AM

Oh, how that would educate the people. Not gonna happen.

Saltysam on May 17, 2013 at 8:29 AM

There are a few class action suits against the IRS in the works. The number of lawsuits will likely increase as more information comes forward…

“Earlier this morning, several members of the Kentucky 9/12 Project, the Richmond Tea Party, and Ohio Liberty met with the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) in Washington, DC, to discuss plans for civil suits against the IRS for the admitted intimidation and targeting they received after applying for tax exempt status…”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/16/some-conservatives-targeted-by-irs-say-they-plan-on-filing-civil-suit-against-irs/

And there’s one class action filed for theft of records

“What happens when a fundamentally flawed entitlement program that threatens to usurp one sixth of the U.S. economy runs up against a scandal involving the government’s second most powerful enforcement agency? The answer is a class-action lawsuit filed by a California HMO alleging that 60 million medical records from 10 million patients were stolen by the IRS.

Healthcare IT News (via Courthouse News Service) writes that an unnamed HIPAA-covered entity in the Golden State is bringing the action against 15 IRS agents. “The personal health information seized on March 11, 2011, included psychological counseling, gynecological counseling, sexual/drug treatment and other medical treatment data….”

http://libertyunyielding.com/2013/05/15/class-action-lawsuit-filed-against-irs-over-theft-of-60-million-medical-records/

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 8:46 AM

Ok well try again:

Old Country Boy on May 17, 2013 at 9:11 AM

It still doesn’t work. Go to mi site or Instapundit to get the link.

Old Country Boy on May 17, 2013 at 9:11 AM

They are extremely stupid when it comes to understanding their own psychology, let alone when it comes to understanding how others’ minds work.

Anti-Control on May 17, 2013 at 8:43 AM

Agreed…These are the actions of the Self-Centered.

The problem is that many old school liberals are in utter denial as to the hijacking of their agenda by Progressive Totalitarian Leftists (Operating using the tools of Fascism).

These old school liberals cling to their denial because the cognitive dissonance is too painful psychologically,intellectually and emotionally.

I spent some time reading and commenting at some liberal blogs during the 07′ – 08′ primary season…and it was evident the generational and ideological divide between conventional Bluedogs and Progressives.

I did this because I was curious to see how Obama’s divide and conquer strategy within his own party was effecting the Bluedogs v Progressives.

At the time I was completing a political series and was adding the responsive activity of New Media into the work…So it was research really to add heft to the series.

This became especially clear with the old school feminists who supported Hillary Clinton and then were divided ideologically with the media treatment of Sarah Palin. Some are disillusioned by the revelation of their corrupt fallen heroine Hillary Clinton.
Personally I have little sympathy but I understand it.

What I saw was that many of these old school liberal folks assumed a kind of protective psychological helmet that blinded them to what they knew was a clear Fascist agenda working within their midst…They became the most confused lot I’ve ever seen.

I got booted off a lot of blogs…My crime was using logic and asking questions about the obvious shifts in politics/philosophy that became fluid to meet whatever objective was necessary. All politicians have feet of Clay.

It was interesting…Quite the education.

When I was an undergraduate in the mid-1980′s we had a great government professor…He was an excellent rhetorician. He warned us about Socialist/Fascism and the mechanics of it’s implementation. There is little difference in either philosophy or mechanic since both tenets achieve the same goal…Totalitarianism.

What I learned both as a student in college…and in life is that Fascism can creep into any culture when people get lazy.

The sheeple citizenry become content with Bread & Circuses.

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 9:29 AM

Ok well try again:

Old Country Boy on May 17, 2013 at 9:11 AM

Here ya go…

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/05/15/a-fascinating-map-of-the-worlds-most-and-least-racially-tolerant-countries/

WAPO also has a link for another map on ethnic diversity.

According to their conclusions the US is in the middle when it comes to ethnic diversity because the wealthier the nation the less ethnically diverse.

I find this conclusion spurious…likely due to the definition of ethnicity they are using since most of the countries in Africa and the Middle East are deemed more ethnically diverse than the US.

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 9:49 AM

Why are the GOP straight up *inventing* State Department e-mails out of thin air? What possible purpose could it serve?

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 7:18 AM

…new name!…dumbphuckordie !

KOOLAID2 on May 17, 2013 at 10:08 AM

Anti-Control on May 17, 2013 at 5:09 AM

Because it’s target practice… allowing us to sharpen our skills on their strawman corpses before engaging in dialog that really matters… with our friends and relatives that don’t know any of this is going on, but were still Democrat supporters.

I know that the debating practice spent with these morons have made me a better debater with those who do matter. Without them constantly falling on my sword, I wouldn’t know how to handle my “rapier wit” to most effect.

Just speaking for myself, I’d like to thank the trolls here on HotAir… you have made me SOOO much more informed on my conservative worldview and effective in communicate it with others. Because of you, I have been feeding articles and viewpoints to my conservative friends, and helped them prepare their debating skills. You have made me so much more effective… as a person, as an informed citizen, as a patriot of this nation… and sealed the fate of your own party! On behalf of conservatives, thank you for your ceaseless stupidity in defending your corrupt ideology! Thank you for your support!

Liberals, please keep posting your drivel, as it only makes us better…

dominigan on May 17, 2013 at 10:51 AM

BuckeyeSam on May 17, 2013 at 8:41 AM

Well, I don’t disagree with you on your point that suits will happen. I guess I differ on a matter of degree when you say “in the the most public manner possible“.

You and I both know, the press and the television media will chase diversionary “Breaking News” as soon as possible and the continuing suits will find space on page 17 in the ho-hum columns, soon after they cobble together a couple of obscure, off-the-record sources and headline a “Bush may have done it too some experts say”. Then the GOP will run to the next television camera and save us from steroids-in-high-school-football-causing-the-tea-party-attitudes-that-have-prevented-Congress-from-getting-anything-done, dancing to the tune that the liberal media plays.

Business as usual as soon as possible.

Saltysam on May 17, 2013 at 11:00 AM

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