Joe Manchin: Say… about that gun grabbing thing…

posted at 8:31 am on January 5, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

I actually owe Jim Geraghty and his indispensable Morning Jolt newsletter a big hat tip for this story, though we wrote about the roots of it multiple times here. In any event, astute readers will recall the response of long time Democratic Second Amendment supporter Joe Manchin in the wake of the Newtown tragedy.

“I just came with my family from deer hunting,” Manchin said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.” “I’ve never had more than three shells in a clip. Sometimes you don’t get more than one shot anyway at a deer. It’s common sense. It’s time to move beyond rhetoric. We need to sit down and have a common-sense discussion and move in a reasonable way.”

Well, a bit of time has gone by, allowing cooler heads a chance to prevail and some of Senator Manchin’s constituents a chance to weigh in. Some of the swamp fever may be breaking down in West Virginia, as this more recent interview suggests.

“I’m not afraid to have these conversations and I know I’m going to get criticized,” Senator Manchin said on Wednesday’s MetroNews Talkline. He was a guest on the show for the second time this week to talk about his position on firearm regulatory changes and what should be done after the Newtown.

“I am open to talking about how do we have a better society with less violence and not blame just the gun owner, because if you blame the gun owner, you’re blaming me,” the Senator said.

Host Hoppy Kercheval asked Senator Manchin if he will support California Senator Dianne Feinstein’s proposed bill to reinstate the ban on assault weapons. That ban first took effect in 1994 and expired in 2004.

“I’m not supporting a ban on anything. I’m supporting a conversation on everything,” Senator Manchin said.

Nobody is supporting a ban on conversation, Senator. We were just a tad bit alarmed at the direction yours seemed to be taking. But it’s good to see you’ve had some time to reconsider. One of the things you might be taking into account is the fact that even an incident as horrible as the Newtown maniac’s rampage hasn’t shifted the national mood very much. We already know that American’s don’t want the government snacking on their hand guns, but let’s take a look at the most hot button buzz word in the gun grabbing dictionary. Pollsters – including some sponsors who seem to really want to push this, like USA Today – keep asking the following question about those really nasty “assault rifles.”

Are you for or against a law which would make it illegal to manufacture, sell or possess semiautomatic guns known as assault rifles?

The skewing of the question doesn’t get much better than this for the gun grabbing lobby. And yet, one year before Newtown, Americans opposed the proposition by a 53 to 43 margin. A few weeks ago – three days before Christmas, in fact – the same question was put to the nation with exactly the same wording. How much did it change?

Still opposed… 51 to 44. It’s a net shift which is less than the margin of error. And as the public gets to hear more and more about the true intentions of people like Governor Andrew “Confiscation might be an option” Cuomo, the panic driven rush toward the doors on the Second Amendment seems to continue to slow down. Senators like Manchin obviously follow the news, though I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and allow that he’s simply overcoming the shock and returning to his senses.

This is not to say that we should become lax on this and lower our guard. The Democrats will still be introducing new legislation to restrict your most fundamental rights as soon as the new Congress has figured out where the bathrooms are. But I’m beginning to allow myself a sliver of hope that folks are slowly coming back to their senses and won’t allow this to be a stampede. We’ll need to stay on top of our House members though, and remind them that they are up for election every two years.

And we’re still watching.


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Folks, a Civil War is about two sides contesting for control of a government. We don’t want control of either face of the progressive-statist movement. We want Revolution II. The gutting of progressives from our governmental system. It is the only thing that will salvage this Republic.

rayra on January 5, 2013 at 12:52 PM

It was entirely predictable. As soon as he got back home.
West Virginia is lever and bolt action country, but it is far more independent in its thinking than most States. As the only State that seceded twice, it takes the Bill of Rights seriously, even in urban areas.

pat on January 5, 2013 at 12:52 PM

–snip–
It’s where the military and the police fall that bothers me. While common sense would dictate they’d side with people that actually believe in the constitution and good over evil they don’t exactly have a perfect record. Kent State and them minor skirmish back in the 1860′s show they will kill US citizens when ordered. The devaluation of life and morals has affected them just like every other aspect of our country. I think they side with the politicians on this one and no one, even the highly armed US population, beats the US military when all the stops are pulled out.
acyl72 on January 5, 2013 at 11:59 AM

I feel compelled to point out that the National Guard at Kent State had been under attack of some kind throughout the day (and before, I think), thus, after the first shot was fired (and it has not been determined which side shot it), they believed they were defending themselves. Also, for the “late unpleasantness”, South Carolina, having seceded from the Union, fired first.

Overall, it is hard to tell whether the military and police will follow disarmament orders for the civilian population or not. The military has the law and tradition of posse comitatus to keep them out of civilian law enforcement. At worst the military will be split in the beginning, and will resist orders to disarm civilians later. I don’t have a feel for the police as I haven’t been around them, but I can’t imagine that they would want to be part of such a dangerous undertaking that will have such limited results in making a more peaceful society. So, probably a similar split as the military.

Kevin K. on January 5, 2013 at 1:07 PM

To me the second amendment is the most important. Without it the rest of the Constitution would become privileges and like any privilege they can be revoked at any time.

banzaibob on January 5, 2013 at 10:50 AM

Well said!

Kevin K. on January 5, 2013 at 1:09 PM

The entire point of the 2nd amendment is being ignored or misrepresented on a daily basis. Our founders were not concerned with hunting, or marksmanship, or sport shooting. They WERE concerned with the ability of citizens to stand up to a tyrannical government, and not once again become “subjects” to royalty.

The first ten amendments to the Constitution, of which the 2nd is only one, are there for a specific reason…to limit the power and control of government. Why is that so hard to understand?

Ray-500 on January 5, 2013 at 1:21 PM

Walkback

Nudging.

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 5, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Hoorah:

The woman then shot him five times, but he survived, Chapman said. He said the woman ran out of bullets but threatened to shoot the intruder if he moved.

“She’s standing over him, and she realizes she’s fired all six rounds. And the guy’s telling her to quit shooting,” Chapman said.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/woman-hiding-kids-shoots-intruder/nTm7s/

davidk on January 5, 2013 at 1:34 PM

davidk on January 5, 2013 at 1:34 PM

If I were that criminal, I’d get religion right quick for surviving.

Liam on January 5, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Woman Hiding With Kids Shoots Home Intruder Multiple Times

Read more: http://joemiller.us/2013/01/woman-hiding-with-kids-shoots-home-intruder-multiple-times/#ixzz2H80HsSWg

Thank God for gun rights.

CW on January 5, 2013 at 1:44 PM

i see via drudge that Preezy Grabby is going for a blitz in the gun thing.

One hopes that Manchin or someone would just read the Sam Harris brutal Fisking of the sophistry that calls itself gun control

Harris exposes precisely how embarrassingly stupid the entire body politic is
ust
We have given our culture over to a bunch of nuts, cranks, socialists and haters. They must be called out as such

http://m.samharris.org/blog/item/the-riddle-of-the-gun/

a long piece, but needed. He takes each argument in turn and destroys it.

He is unafraid of his arguements…he doesn’t wish for a gun-less world…guns are a leveling force…and without guns, the young aggressive thugs would reign

unblinkingly, he links to a vid that show a robber that, well, picked the wrong motel to rob…bad day for the robber, his last mistake

r keller on January 5, 2013 at 1:46 PM

unblinkingly, he links to a vid that show a robber that, well, picked the wrong motel to rob…bad day for the robber, his last mistake

r keller on January 5, 2013 at 1:46 PM

True; I’m totally on your side.

But you can bet your last untaxed dollar (assuming Obama leaves you one) that if the Citizen didn’t have a gun he wouldn’t have violated that poor helpless criminal’s civil rights.

Liam on January 5, 2013 at 1:56 PM

Are you for or against a law which would make it illegal to manufacture, sell or possess semiautomatic guns known as assault rifles?

USA Today, like most of the press, can’t get their gun terminology right. A “semi-automatic assault rifle” is an oxymoron, a self-contradicting term. An assault rifle has a concrete definition: a select fire rifle of intermediate caliber. That means it can be fired as both semi-automatic, and full automatic. In other words, it’s a machine gun, and has been heavily regulated in this country under the National Firearms Act of 1938, and other laws after that.

If they’re talking about “assault weapons”, the question is ambiguous enough that it can’t be answered. Do they mean the old, defunct, national definition of “assault weapons”? Do they mean the Connecticut definition? Or maybe the California definition? If the latter, they have to specify the year since it has been heavily modified since it was first enacted, and at one time included Olympic-style target pistols and almost caused the cancellation of pistol shooting matches at the L.A. Olympics.

If someone asks you the same question, question the questioner and you’ll inevitably find they have no idea what they’re talking about. That goes for 99% of the press and 100% of politicians.

Socratease on January 5, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Socratease on January 5, 2013 at 2:01 PM

The term ‘intellectual liberal’ is an oxymoron. With extra emphasis on the ‘moron’ part of it.

Liam on January 5, 2013 at 2:05 PM

The woman then shot him five times, but he survived, Chapman said. He said the woman ran out of bullets but threatened to shoot the intruder if he moved.

“She’s standing over him, and she realizes she’s fired all six rounds. And the guy’s telling her to quit shooting,” Chapman said.

This reminds me of a story from a cop friend I had. He was searching a building for an armed criminal, and when he encountered him he fired his service 9mm handgun at him. He hit him 3 or 4 times, at which point the criminal dropped his gun and said “please stop shooting me!”

The cop said he went out the next day and upgraded his sidearm to a .45.

Socratease on January 5, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Kent State and them minor skirmish back in the 1860′s show they will kill US citizens when ordered.

The Bonus Expeditionary Force might be a better example than that last one.

Socratease on January 5, 2013 at 2:18 PM

This reminds me of a story from a cop friend I had. He was searching a building for an armed criminal, and when he encountered him he fired his service 9mm handgun at him. He hit him 3 or 4 times, at which point the criminal dropped his gun and said “please stop shooting me!”

The cop said he went out the next day and upgraded his sidearm to a .45.

Socratease on January 5, 2013 at 2:08 PM

The Eleanor Bumpers case goes along with what you wrote.

I forget the year, but the police were called because an insane overly-obese woman was wielding a big knife. She attacked a cop with it, and he kept firing his 9mm until she finally went down.

Sharpton tried to make a racial case out of it.

Liam on January 5, 2013 at 2:21 PM

I like Joe. Hes kewl.

tommy71 on January 5, 2013 at 2:56 PM

This is not about school shootings or murders in Chicago.
This is about absolute Marxist control of the population.

The Bill of Rights is not a list of Rights granted by the government, but rather Devine Rights granted to the people by their God.
Since they are not granted by government, they cannot be taken by government.

I will never comply and nor will about One Million of my compatriots.
SO, come and get them….if you have the stones.

Of the hundred million or so gun owners; even if only 3% of them truly believe that their government has become tyrannical, that’s 3 million heavily armed soldiers
that will defend their God given Rights, under the dictates of the Declaration and the Constitution.

Local police, state police, DHS, and TSA total around 800,000, and you can forget the local and state police from participating. They want to enjoy the unfettered consumption of oxygen.
A vast majority of military are from Red states and vowed to Defend the Constitution….same with ex military.
TSA is a gaggle of “burger flipper perverts” in blue shirts who couldn’t hit a barn with an RPG.
DHS…half of them have families and would decline to participate after the shooting starts.

We learned how to use 4th Generation Warfare in Iraq and Afghanistan.
We learned that the most effective battlefield weapon is the Scout/Sniper.

One last fact: Barak Hussein Obama is the greatest gun and ammo salesman in the history of the world…and they weren’t bought for shooting squirrels.

My dad always told me; If you keep poke a wolverine with a sharp stick, you’ll get your balls ripped off.

Si vis pacem, para bellum
III/0317

dirtengineer on January 5, 2013 at 3:05 PM

No matter how much he backpedals now, Manchin will vote for anything that the Left wants him to vote for. The Democrats run things, votes are counted by them, and Manchin is safe from any electoral revenge.

Subotai Bahadur on January 5, 2013 at 3:07 PM

But he is not safe from the folks whose God given Rights he may trample.
They may “vote” him out with extreme prejudice.
or
They may try some chemical conversion to “right thinking” on him.
Personally, I don’t give a chit.

I used to think that heroin users were the dregs of society; but I’ve been guilty of not doing due dilligence on politicians.
Pols are trained LIARS. They learn it in Lib college courses called Political Science; taught by Commie teachers.
Remember the old saw; Those that can, do; Those that can’t, teach.

So, I believe we’re about to find out who can and who can’t.
Never participate in a frontal assault; you will die.

III/0317

dirtengineer on January 5, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Float this

Schadenfreude on January 5, 2013 at 3:32 PM

HotAirLib on January 5, 2013 at 9:28 AM

Proving that you are the same old idiot.

Schadenfreude on January 5, 2013 at 3:33 PM

With guns, we are citizens.

Without them, we are subjects.

Schadenfreude on January 5, 2013 at 3:38 PM

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

Schadenfreude on January 5, 2013 at 3:39 PM

The Bonus Expeditionary Force might be a better example than that last one.

Socratease on January 5, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Indeed. And that large group were vets and their dependents. The then Atty General ordered the PD in, then Hoover ordered the Army to clear them out and MacArthur and Patton led the charge, broke up and fired and gassed their camp with an emetic. Wounded hundreds, caused the death of a couple infants.

rayra on January 5, 2013 at 3:49 PM

“She’s standing over him, and she realizes she’s fired all six rounds. And the guy’s telling her to quit shooting,” Chapman said.

This reminds me of a story from a cop friend I had. He was searching a building for an armed criminal, and when he encountered him he fired his service 9mm handgun at him. He hit him 3 or 4 times, at which point the criminal dropped his gun and said “please stop shooting me!”

The cop said he went out the next day and upgraded his sidearm to a .45.

Socratease on January 5, 2013 at 2:08 PM

It reminds ME of that scene from a Dirty Harry movie. “Well, do ya’, punk?”

Cleombrotus on January 5, 2013 at 4:00 PM

dirtengineer on January 5, 2013 at 3:25 PM

We need more of that spirit, dirtengineer.

That 0317 your MOS?

Cleombrotus on January 5, 2013 at 4:05 PM

From what I’ve read, the Bonus Army was attacked at the orders of the Attorney General, against the orders of Hoover. I also recall that Eisenhower was a staff officer at the time and, I believe, he objected to it and refused to participate on the grounds that the entire operation was illegal.

Voyager on January 5, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Finger in the wind.

Pork-Chop on January 5, 2013 at 4:17 PM

We all knew it was only a matter of time before the mass shooting supporting pro gun conservatives came out of the woodwork.

The shootings are now spreading from the minority neighborhoods into the gated Caucasian neighborhoods folks. Its too bad we had to wait for this event to generate a conversation about the unnecessary killings of our children. Its even worse to see the ” I dont give a damn about some kids getting shot as long as it aint my kid” pro gun movement looking to return back to status quo.

HotAirLib on January 5, 2013 at 9:28 AM

Post & run again.
You know as well as anyone this has nothing to do with dead children & everything to do with trying to dismantle the US Constitution & associated documents.
The Constitution is a STATIC document. And the 2nd is very clear in that our right to bear arms shall not be infringed.
There is nothing mysterious about what the intent of this amendment is.
And you know it.
What you are is an enemy of Liberty.
You seek to dismantle it bit by bit.
You are evil & deranged.
Bcs kids will die whether guns are banned or not. And, really, more kids if anything will die as a result of such a ban.
How many have died in places where such things are clearly trumpeted as being banned?
I know why you post & run here bcs you think somehow someone will go off on you & give you some sort of ‘evidence’ to present to your fellow liberty haters that will somehow vindicate you all & your tyrannical ideas.

Badger40 on January 5, 2013 at 4:24 PM

davidk on January 5, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Now that’s gun control! Nice shooting! Now, hubby, buy her a larger caliber (with one of them high-capacity magazines)!

GWB on January 5, 2013 at 4:26 PM

HotAirLib on January 5, 2013 at 9:28 AM

You’re funny.

Where do you come up with this shiite? Seriously, where?

Bishop on January 5, 2013 at 9:37 AM

The same place you come up with it. Except you flush yours, you don’t post it on the web for everyone to read.

GWB on January 5, 2013 at 4:43 PM

The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. -Thomas Jefferson

Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that is good. -George Washington

The Constitution shall never be construed….to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. -Samuel Adams

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. -Benjamin Franklin

A Serious Question: Will Americans go down without a fight?

http://dcclothesline.wordpress.com/2013/01/03/if-they-come-for-your-guns-do-you-have-a-responsibility-to-fight/

mountainaires on January 5, 2013 at 5:01 PM

If I had a nickel for everytime I heard the total bullshit meme from the left, “Meaningful Discussion”, I could buy everyone here a nice dinner. (except for the leftist scum that frequent these pages..I wouldn’t waste a nickel on any of you, you can go to hell.)

Lemme translate for anyone that still doesn’t know this (which is damned few, I’m sure. When a Lefty says “Meaningful Discussion” they mean, “Complete stiplulation to my every, single idiotic whim, without question or delay.”

Never gonna happen. Not now, Not ever. I will (as I suspect most folks on the Right will) never, ever engage with the left down this slippery slope. This week it’s automatic weapons, next week it’s semi-auto pistols, next week after that, it’s wheel-guns, next week after that it’s pointed sticks. Forget it.

a5minmajor on January 5, 2013 at 5:05 PM

That 0317 your MOS?

Cleombrotus on January 5, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Roger that.

dirtengineer on January 5, 2013 at 5:09 PM

The shootings are now spreading from the minority neighborhoods into the gated Caucasian neighborhoods folks. Its too bad we had to wait for this event to generate a conversation about the unnecessary killings of our children. Its even worse to see the ” I dont give a damn about some kids getting shot as long as it aint my kid” pro gun movement looking to return back to status quo.

HotAirLib on January 5, 2013 at 9:28 AM

Go take a nap, this is your worst post ever.

Afterward go post on the other thread about the consequences of posting the names of lawful gun owners in New York and shovel that same manure.

itsspideyman on January 5, 2013 at 5:24 PM

We all knew it was only a matter of time before the mass shooting supporting pro gun conservatives came out of the woodwork.

The shootings are now spreading from the minority neighborhoods into the gated Caucasian neighborhoods folks. Its too bad we had to wait for this event to generate a conversation about the unnecessary killings of our children. Its even worse to see the ” I dont give a damn about some kids getting shot as long as it aint my kid” pro gun movement looking to return back to status quo.

HotAirLib on January 5, 2013 at 9:28 AM

Wow.

I Have not been around much for the last couple of months. Is this the current level of trolling?

They really scraped bottom for this one.

Siddhartha Vicious on January 5, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Let me be very clear.
On this, there is NO middle ground.
The Constitution is clear…SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

The mere passage of a confiscatory firearms law or Registration Regime is the first shot in the American Constitutional War.

Once passed, I do not believe waiting for the Grabbers at home is a winning strategy. Never be caught in a frontal Assault; you will die.

Plan your reaction well; for the only way to kill a snake is to cut off its head.
See Clinton’s Serb Rules of Engagement…

Best of Luck
III/0317

dirtengineer on January 5, 2013 at 5:49 PM

There’s no cure for stupid.

Knott Buyinit on January 5, 2013 at 6:18 PM

Folks, a Civil War is about two sides contesting for control of a government. We don’t want control of either face of the progressive-statist movement. We want Revolution II. The gutting of progressives from our governmental system. It is the only thing that will salvage this Republic.

rayra on January 5, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Too bad so few understand this. Hopefully enough, though, to make the difference.

riddick on January 5, 2013 at 6:26 PM

We all knew it was only a matter of time before the mass shooting supporting pro gun conservatives came out of the woodwork.

The shootings are now spreading from the minority neighborhoods into the gated Caucasian neighborhoods folks. Its too bad we had to wait for this event to generate a conversation about the unnecessary killings of our children. Its even worse to see the ” I dont give a damn about some kids getting shot as long as it aint my kid” pro gun movement looking to return back to status quo.

HotAirLib on January 5, 2013 at 9:28 AM

Hey, IDIOT!

Care to tell us all political affiliations of the last mass shooters starting with Giffords? Can you spell LIBERAL/DEMOCRAT/OWS?

Only morons like you can ever lie to yourselves instead of facing FACTS. And FACTS are that these cowardly acts were all perpetrated by your comrades in arms: LIBERALS.

Never fear, though, my prediction is that once liberals in Conress realize their efforts to ban guns from law abiding citizens fail, we WILL SEE more mass shootings so that idiots like you and those in Congress can drive your idiot agenda. Just like they did and still do in other communist led countries such as Russia, China and North Korea. No low is low enough for you idiots to drive your agenda, even when lives of children are at stake.

Never thought that I will re-live this chit after leaving USSR, but you and your comrades here are way too deep at this point into Marxist agenda.

Communism is cancer and the only way to get rid of cancer is to cut it out. COMPLETELY. You want our guns, come and get them. I hope it will be YOU and Hussein, and Feinstein, and other cowards, knocking on doors and not innocent cops you cowards will try to use while you sit in the safety of your homes.

riddick on January 5, 2013 at 6:33 PM

Hmmm.Politicians. They never met a principle they couldn”t walk away from while still embracing it.

redware on January 5, 2013 at 6:44 PM

I wish Boehner would move the democrat women’s bathroom to some outhouse way out in the woods.

tinkerthinker on January 5, 2013 at 8:07 PM

“…They are not going to just pass the old ban. They are going to go for the throat of the 2nd. amendment. And if this passes, especially with the votes of Boehner, I am leaving the Republicans party and going libertarian or conservative…”

Well, you do that. Some of us are thinking we need to look up the induction centers for the Green Mountain Boys, or the Swamp Rats.

Another Drew on January 5, 2013 at 9:05 PM

The Second Amendment isn’t about hunting. Is it unreasonable to expect a US Senator to know that?

BruthaMan on January 5, 2013 at 9:28 PM

Four dead today in Aurora Colorado including he shooter who may have shot himself. Sounds familiar doesn’t it? Yeah it’s the same town as “The Dark Knight Rises” shootings occurred at but that’s not the familiarity I was alluding too. The familiarity part is the shooter killing several people then himself. No doubt for me that the government is behind this awful crap utilizing some kind of mind control brainwashing technique. Yeah it sounds crazy and far out lunatic fringe but then look at what has become of our once great nation.

bgibbs1000 on January 5, 2013 at 9:53 PM

Oh look, HotAirLib never came back to debate its remarks.
Post & run.
Coward.
Probably sniffing Obama farts at HuffPo.

bgibbs1000 on January 5, 2013 at 9:53 PM

If the media would quit giving these people the attention they crave by doing these things, I’d bet there would be a lot less of this stuff.
Keep in mind, however, that bcs of the nature of information these days, we are hearing more & more about events that really probably aren’t happening with any increasing frequency in past times in human civilizations that are prosperous & given to idleness.
There are also more than 7 billion on the planet now. A huge increase in population from even a hundred years ago.

Badger40 on January 5, 2013 at 10:02 PM

Next backtrack (hopefully) will be Casey in PA. He needs to hear from you, Pennsylvania!

DaMav on January 5, 2013 at 10:33 PM

Manchin is my Senator. I didn’t vote for him, but he will continue to be my Senator because once a democrat is elected in West Virginia, they are basically in office for life. West Virginia is a strange place. The people of West Virginia love God and guns but always vote for the democrats. I just don’t get it. It is quite frustrating.

hatecraft on January 5, 2013 at 11:55 PM

Gun Control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own pantyhose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound.

opaobie on January 6, 2013 at 1:55 AM

Gun Control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own pantyhose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound.

opaobie on January 6, 2013 at 1:55 AM

+1000

Thread winner!

Liam on January 6, 2013 at 8:02 AM

Conservatives could find common ground on aspects of gun control if Democrats could be counted upon to be an honest broker in the conversation. But the fact is that Democrats, for the most part are liars and cheats when it comes to passing laws that further their agenda. On everything they look upon furthering their agenda bit by bit never being honest about their ultimate ends.

Thus the only way to deal with their dishonesty is to deny them at every turn where possible. Their goal is to ban guns. We see this starting to be revealed by the more radical of their ilk. They feel emboldened right now with their liar-in-chief rolling over the Constitution on a daily basis.

The left can never be trusted. They are proven liars that now control the Democrat party. No bargain on gun control can be made. They will only use any compromise to undermine liberty. That is always their MO.

artman1746 on January 6, 2013 at 9:13 AM

Four dead today in Aurora Colorado including he shooter who may have shot himself. Sounds familiar doesn’t it? Yeah it’s the same town as “The Dark Knight Rises” shootings occurred at but that’s not the familiarity I was alluding too. The familiarity part is the shooter killing several people then himself. No doubt for me that the government is behind this awful crap utilizing some kind of mind control brainwashing technique. Yeah it sounds crazy and far out lunatic fringe but then look at what has become of our once great nation.

bgibbs1000 on January 5, 2013 at 9:53 PM

Go back to your gated community and collect your public sector check, “seperate but equal” pension and healthcare. We are all grateful to pay for you to pontificate your concern for us less fortunate types.

Like everything else with you ruling elite. The laws, rules and regulations don’t apply to you. Just the common rabble that are beholden to your brilliance and wisdom. It’s a good thing you own the media and the government schools or most of you would be an endangered as Czar Nicholas and his family were.

acyl72 on January 6, 2013 at 11:11 AM

“I just came with my family from deer hunting,” Manchin said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.” “I’ve never had more than three shells in a clip. Sometimes you don’t get more than one shot anyway at a deer. It’s common sense. It’s time to move beyond rhetoric. We need to sit down and have a common-sense discussion and move in a reasonable way.”

I really, really don’t like this guy. I don’t like the way he looks. I don’t like the way he talks. I don’t like the way he slithers.

claudius on January 6, 2013 at 6:57 PM

The mere passage of a confiscatory firearms law or Registration Regime is the first shot in the American Constitutional War.
dirtengineer on January 5, 2013 at 5:49 PM

agree

I just came with my family from deer hunting,” Manchin said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.” “I’ve never had more than three shells in a clip. Sometimes you don’t get more than one shot anyway at a deer. It’s common sense. It’s time to move beyond rhetoric. We need to sit down and have a common-sense discussion and move in a reasonable way.”

I really, really don’t like this guy. I don’t like the way he looks. I don’t like the way he talks. I don’t like the way he slithers.

claudius on January 6, 2013 at 6:57 PM

agree He backtracks for no good reason, which means he has only bad intent

I’ve never had more than three shells in a clip. Sometimes you don’t get more than one shot anyway at a deer

at a deer

phoney SOS.

entagor on January 6, 2013 at 7:16 PM

The Second Amendment isn’t about deer hunting, dumbass

TexasJew on January 6, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Manchin is a toe the line Democrat. Only on the surface does he pretend to be anything different. In a New York Minute he’ll sell his WV constituents down the river in order to please his “Yankee” Democrat bosses. WV should have dumped him when they had the chance.

anotherJoe on January 7, 2013 at 12:28 AM

The Second Amendment isn’t about deer hunting, dumbass

TexasJew on January 6, 2013 at 7:56 PM

If it wouldn’t get me on a watchlist I’d email him a picture of himself with antlers photoshopped on his empty head and a crosshairs on his face.

MelonCollie on January 7, 2013 at 5:18 PM

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