Hobby Lobby CEO open letter: “Honoring God is more important than turning a profit”

posted at 1:01 pm on January 5, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Normally I’d be inclined to run something like this on a Sunday, when I like to explore more faith-based topics.  However, today is Hobby Lobby Appreciation Day, where consumers who support the Christian ownership’s stand against the HHS mandate that attempts to impose a highly restrictive definition of religious expression can put their money where their mouths are.  Since I don’t really have a hobby at the moment, I’ll instead offer a passage from the open letter written by Hobby Lobby CEO David Green, who explains why he’s decided to spend a lot of money and risk even more to fight the HHS regulation that would force him to act against his religious principles.

We’re Christians, and we run our business on Christian principles. I’ve always said that the first two goals of our business are (1) to run our business in harmony with God’s laws, and (2) to focus on people more than money. And that’s what we’ve tried to do. We close early so our employees can see their families at night. We keep our stores closed on Sundays, one of the week’s biggest shopping days, so that our workers and their families can enjoy a day of rest. We believe that it is by God’s grace that Hobby Lobby has endured, and he has blessed us and our employees. We’ve not only added jobs in a weak economy, we’ve raised wages for the past four years in a row. Our full-time employees start at 80% above minimum wage.

But now, our government threatens to change all of that. A new government health care mandate says that our family business MUST provide what I believe are abortion-causing drugs as part of our health insurance. Being Christians, we don’t pay for drugs that might cause abortions, which means that we don’t cover emergency contraception, the morning-after pill or the week-after pill. We believe doing so might end a life after the moment of conception, something that is contrary to our most important beliefs. It goes against the Biblical principles on which we have run this company since day one. If we refuse to comply, we could face $1.3 million PER DAY in government fines.

Our government threatens to fine job creators in a bad economy. Our government threatens to fine a company that’s raised wages four years running. Our government threatens to fine a family for running its business according to its beliefs. It’s not right. I know people will say we ought to follow the rules; that it’s the same for everybody. But that’s not true. The government has exempted thousands of companies from this mandate, for reasons of convenience or cost. But it won’t exempt them for reasons of religious belief.

So, Hobby Lobby – and my family – are forced to make a choice. With great reluctance, we filed a lawsuit today, represented by the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, asking a federal court to stop this mandate before it hurts our business. We don’t like to go running into court, but we no longer have a choice. We believe people are more important than the bottom line and that honoring God is more important than turning a profit.

It’s worth pointing out that the mandate doesn’t exempt actual religious organizations either, such as Catholic charities, Presbyterian hospitals, Lutheran schools, and so on.  Why?  That’s the crux of the issue: the Obama administration is attempting to redefine religious expression to only those activities which take place within the four walls of a place of worship, or those activities restricted only to those of a single faith.  That means that Catholic hospitals would qualify only if they refused to treat and employ any non-Catholics, for instance.  Can you imagine those lawsuits?

The mandate for free birth control, which is already cheap and readily available for anyone who wants it (and has federal subsidies for Medicaid recipients already in place through Title X), is just a Trojan horse in an attack on religious liberty — and even more, for freedom of choice.  If businesses want to offer “free” birth control (which will get funded by premium hikes), they can already do so; no one is stopping them.  Same for schools, hospitals, and private citizens who want to donate money to family-planning clinics on their own.  Barack Obama and Kathleen Sebelius want to strip that choice from Americans and force everyone to subsidize the procreative choices of everyone else, even those tens of millions whose religious beliefs have heretofore never had to be part of public policy.  That’s the invasion of privacy, and it’s people like David Green who are being exploited.

Update: Added a bit to the second-to-last paragraph, and also wanted to include Hobby Lobby’s online shopping website link.  You can support the company from the comfort of your own home.


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I don’t give 2 cents for their tin God, but they do honor the Constitution. For that, I salute them.

Archivarix on January 5, 2013 at 1:03 PM

We are becoming a God-less nation where moral values take a back seat to (insert you favorite righteous liberal progressive here)

Rovin on January 5, 2013 at 1:07 PM

This is America.

davidk on January 5, 2013 at 1:07 PM

“Honoring God is more important than turning a profit”

…JugEars thought the open letter was about him!

KOOLAID2 on January 5, 2013 at 1:07 PM

you = your

Rovin on January 5, 2013 at 1:08 PM

Archivarix on January 5, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Nice backhand…schmuck.

kingsjester on January 5, 2013 at 1:08 PM

“Honoring God is more important than turning a profit”

As the Lord asked, what does it profit someone to gain the whole world yet lose his soul?

itsnotaboutme on January 5, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Hard to tell whether the liberals hate God or profits the most…

Don L on January 5, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Archivarix on January 5, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Nice backhand…schmuck.

kingsjester on January 5, 2013 at 1:08 PM

Passive aggressive.

davidk on January 5, 2013 at 1:09 PM

This is America.

davidk on January 5, 2013 at 1:07 PM

…they’re working hard…to make it… “was”…

KOOLAID2 on January 5, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Since I don’t really have a hobby at the moment, I’ll instead offer a passage from the open letter written by Hobby Lobby CEO David Green, who explains why he’s decided to spend a lot of money and risk even more to fight the HHS regulation that would force him to act against his religious principles.

Here ya go Ed: http://shop.hobbylobby.com/products/aa-energizer-max-batteries-657668/

Don’t need a hobby to buy batteries, but thanks for this post anyway. Green is a real man of principle.

Meric1837 on January 5, 2013 at 1:10 PM

Folks, if you want to support them but you don’t like crowds, please shop

http://hobbylobby.com

itsnotaboutme on January 5, 2013 at 1:11 PM

I don’t give 2 cents for their tin God, but they do honor the Constitution. For that, I salute them.

Archivarix on January 5, 2013 at 1:03 PM

…some day…you may need TIN!

KOOLAID2 on January 5, 2013 at 1:12 PM

About 100 years ago I remember reading (in a Christian comic book for kids) about a large department store in a major American city that was owned by a Christian and they, too, operated according to Christian principles.

If anyone knows the name of this company, I’d appreciate it if you could mention it here.

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 5, 2013 at 1:12 PM

I don’t give 2 cents for their tin God, but they do honor the Constitution. For that, I salute them.

Archivarix on January 5, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Of course the constituion enumerates the very rights that the Declaraton of Independence pointely says come only from nature’s God( Whom I understand made the tin also )

Don L on January 5, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Since I don’t really have a hobby at the moment

They’ve got a lot more than yarn & stencils, Ed.

C’mon, buy a couple of picture frames or something! :)

itsnotaboutme on January 5, 2013 at 1:13 PM

“It’s not surprising that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment.” ~President Barack Hussein Obama

That’s right — you bible thumping bitter gun clingers — cling to something worth clinging onto.

CLING TO ME!

___

SD Tom on January 5, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Hobby Lobby is a great store chain. I often buy things for around the house and garden. They carry good quality merchandise at reasonable prices. I with them well with their civil disobedience against the Obama regime, mandate. If we both were not ill today (with Morrissey Fever!), I’d be going there just to make a purchase of support.

simkeith on January 5, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Shopped at Hobby Lobby this Christmas & KUDOS to them for standing up against this HHS Tyranny.

HHS is another tool for intimidation to silence dissent and bankrupt opposition.

workingclass artist on January 5, 2013 at 1:21 PM

Nothing wrong with making a profit honorably, but yes, even in business, God should come first – specifically if you’re a Christian.

Logus on January 5, 2013 at 1:21 PM

They also have some toys, plastic model kits, tons of stickers that kids like, some basic coin/stamp collecting kits, costume jewelry, art supplies, project kits for kids, and probably a lot I’ve forgotten about.

Not a bad place to look over if you have children of your own or those of relatives to buy a few things for birthdays or Christmas.

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 5, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Liberals never learn…it’s as though there is some inherent defect in the brains that forces them (in every situation) to kill the goose that lays the golden egg…

They can’t ever see,in their quest to “help” they always always end up hurting EVERYONE instead..

Is it stupidity? A maniacal plot? A brain defect?

Tim Zank on January 5, 2013 at 1:23 PM

That’s the crux of the issue: the Obama administration is attempting to redefine religious expression to only those activities which take place within the four walls of a place of worship, or those activities restricted only to those of a single faith.

This. A statist like Obama cannot have serious competition for the citizenry’s loyalty. Religion, the family, the local community & school must be marginalized.

“Julia” did not need a husband to help her raise her child; the state was there. The new Obama Curriculum for public schools is going to be another encroachment.

“The State is my sheperd…I shall not want…”

Wethal on January 5, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Anybody who watched the dem convention knows that the obama people don’t care for profits or God.

Joey24007 on January 5, 2013 at 1:29 PM

“Do you not know your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit…” 1 Cor. 6:19

I’ve got my excemption.

Nutstuyu on January 5, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Good for you Hobby Lobby and may God bless you and yours for your faith. Good luck against bho/team in your suit.

On this issue, bho isn’t all that thrilled the military Chaplains have their ‘rights of conscience’ as to gay marriage? bho wants to get any faith but the rop type gone here in the US with his views and laws?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-opposes-ndaas-rights-of-conscience-for-military-chaplains-members-vows-to-protect-rights-of-gays/
L

letget on January 5, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Archivarix on January 5, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Hey, knucklehead. It was people who held a deep faith in that tin God who GAVE you that Constitution.

Cleombrotus on January 5, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Barry and Kathy can bend over and SHOVE their “mandate”!

GarandFan on January 5, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Law professor Jonathan Adler over at the Volokh Conspiracy expresses my view on this:

While I think religious institutions have a strong RFRA-based free exercise claim, and that religious institutions — and not the government — define the contours of what the exercise of a given religious faith requires — I am not sure that private, for-profit corporations can avail themselves of RFRA in the same way as avowedly religious institutions., even when privately held by religiously devout individuals,

The RFRA is the Religious Freedom Restoration Act which was passed following the Court’s ruling in the so-called peyote case.

Remember: it’s the employee herself who will be making the decision to have contraceptive coverage. NOT the business. The fact that the business – and not the individuals themselves (an important distinction) – offers the coverage through their health insurance removes them at least two steps away from the act.

Again, I am not sure what the Constitution says on this. I’m just offering another point of view.

I may not like this power by the government – I don’t – but I’m not sure it’s unconstitutional.

Religious freedom/freedom of conscience is not absolute. There are limits.

SteveMG on January 5, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Is it stupidity? A maniacal plot? A brain defect?

Tim Zank on January 5, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Spirit defect.

“The good man out of his good treasure brings forth good, and the evil man out of his evil treasure brings forth evil.” Matt.5:35

Cleombrotus on January 5, 2013 at 1:40 PM

It’s worth pointing out that the mandate doesn’t exempt actual religious organizations either, such as Catholic charities, Presbyterian hospitals, Lutheran schools, and so on. Why?

Muslims are exempt.

Amish are exempt.

Scientology is exempt.

Solaratov on January 5, 2013 at 1:41 PM

The dumbing down of America

This comes from Steeler Country in Western Pennsylvania:

Community College Of Allegheny County will cut the hours for some instructors to avoid paying for their health insurance coverage under new Affordable Care Act rules. Source: Allegheny County News, online, Jan 2013

That insane Bush has us depriving our youngsters of an education to give healthcare to illegals and riff raff! Wait…

IlikedAUH2O on January 5, 2013 at 1:41 PM

I hope Hobby Lobby sees a massive and ongoing increase in business.

MT on January 5, 2013 at 1:41 PM

C’mon, buy a couple of picture frames or something! :)

itsnotaboutme on January 5, 2013 at 1:13 PM

I found a nice gift for a wedding later this year, so I’m in. ;-)

Ed Morrissey on January 5, 2013 at 1:41 PM

spent most of my christmas money on gifts at Hobby lobby. Great store, great service and great products. Praise the lord and I pray that the lord protects these people as they protect the unborn among us.

unseen on January 5, 2013 at 1:43 PM

For as their laws and their governments were established by the voice of the people, and they who chose evil were more numerous than they who chose good, therefore they were dripening for destruction, for the laws had become corrupted.

Helaman 5:2

Windsweeping on January 5, 2013 at 1:43 PM

SteveMG on January 5, 2013 at 1:38 PM

If a corporation has first amendment rights (citizens et al), then it has first amendment rights.

Nutstuyu on January 5, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Religious freedom/freedom of conscience is not absolute. There are limits.

SteveMG on January 5, 2013 at 1:38 PM

A restriction on Religious Freedom is what caused our Founders to come here in the first place.

kingsjester on January 5, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Hobby Lobby is an awesome place to shop.

GF is going there after work to buy the picture frames she’s been meaning to buy.

There is something for everyone at http://www.hobbylobby.com

:)

I restored by old truck hubcaps with the translucent red paint in the model section.

If you are depressed over 0bama’s despotism, buy a case of Testor’s model cement and huff it until Dear Leader makes sense and you love him.

cane_loader on January 5, 2013 at 1:45 PM

I found a nice gift for a wedding later this year, so I’m in. ;-)

Ed Morrissey on January 5, 2013 at 1:41 PM

I hear they have a special on Steelers head paint ;-)

cane_loader on January 5, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Muslims are exempt.

Amish are exempt.

Scientology is exempt.

Solaratov on January 5, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Mennonites (not the same as Amish) too.

Nutstuyu on January 5, 2013 at 1:46 PM

That’s the invasion of privacy, and it’s people like David Green who are being exploited.

I don’t know how to put the fine point on this, but I think it’s hard to argue “That’s the crux of the issue: the Obama administration is attempting to redefine religious expression to only those activities which take place within the four walls of a place of worship”, wherein people are forced to more closely confine their religious expression to the private sphere is essentially an “invasion of privacy”.

What it is, is nothing less than religious oppression. It’s the disturbance of the peace and tranquility of the society, the prime goal of civil authority. It’s the arbitrary use of authority, and arbitrary government is irrational, immoral and illegitimate. It is tyranny.

As such, the law which is immoral cannot, in good conscience, be obeyed, and compliance is not required, but only prudence.

One act of prudence may be, according to individual conscience, to stock up on more firearms and ammmo, just in case other prudent measures fail.

Dusty on January 5, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Hard to tell whether the liberals hate God or profits the most…

Don L on January 5, 2013 at 1:09 PM

They hate God and covet other people’s property. See a pattern? Watch the dem convention video again where they deny God three times.

dogsoldier on January 5, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Religious freedom/freedom of conscience is not absolute. There are limits.

SteveMG on January 5, 2013 at 1:38 PM

“Can wicked rulers be allied with thee,
who frame mischief by statute?” Ps. 94:20

Cleombrotus on January 5, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Muslims are exempt.

Amish are exempt.

Scientology is exempt.

Solaratov on January 5, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Illegal aliens are exempt too… but wait…. they now get driver’s licenses… they now get student loans paid for by taxpayers….they are our equals on the roads… they get benefits…. but do not have to actually comply with our laws :-)

Whatta country.

cane_loader on January 5, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Hard to tell whether the liberals hate God or profits the most…

Don L on January 5, 2013 at 1:09 PM

they hate God the most. they are godless. They can’t really take the profits away until they take God away.

unseen on January 5, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Just bought some frames and storage tubs online.

As we are so often told….Let’s all do “our fair share”…

katy on January 5, 2013 at 1:49 PM

Anybody who watched the dem convention knows that the obama people don’t care for profits or God.

Joey24007 on January 5, 2013 at 1:29 PM

…I think people have forgotten that less than a week later…and Israel!…scary!

KOOLAID2 on January 5, 2013 at 1:51 PM

If a corporation has first amendment rights (citizens et al), then it has first amendment rights

But it doesn’t have all of them. Corporations don’t have the right to give money to candidates for example. Or vote. Or a dozen and one other things.

Corporations have some of the same rights as individuals but not all of them.

In any case, Citizens United was about limits on political speech not religious freedom.

The owners of Hobby Lobby – like all of us – have to pay taxes. And some of those taxes go to pay for contraception for poor women under Medicaid.

We have to pay those taxes even if it violates our religious views.

SteveMG on January 5, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Religious freedom/freedom of conscience is not absolute. There are limits.

To pick an extreme example, human sacrifice is not permitted under the First Amendment.

Or parents who don’t want their children vaccinated. Or have surgery because it violates their religious views.

There are limits.

SteveMG on January 5, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Again, I am not sure what the Constitution says on this. I’m just offering another point of view.

SteveMG on January 5, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Here, let me help you out.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

davidk on January 5, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Hobby Lobby, you have my support! Was there today buying things. Love the fact that Hobby Lobby wants to honor God’s Laws.

FastTalker on January 5, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Archivarix on January 5, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Hey backstabbing liberal – us believers in a ‘tin god’ were the ones who kicked the British out, wrote down the bold-as-brass concept of inalienable rights, and made it STICK.

Next time try actually thanking us, you spoiled child.

MelonCollie on January 5, 2013 at 1:57 PM

SteveMG on January 5, 2013 at 1:52 PM

It’s always something that’s technically legal that causes the people to draw the line and say, no more.

Cleombrotus on January 5, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Hard to tell whether the liberals hate God or profits the most…

Don L on January 5, 2013 at 1:09 PM

God, no doubt about it. It wasn’t Wal-Mart that made the 10 Commandments they want to take down everywhere because they starkly remind all of Liberaldumb what a bunch of immoral scum they’re choosing to be.

MelonCollie on January 5, 2013 at 1:58 PM

MelonCollie on January 5, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Archivarix’s not really a liberal. He’s just mistaken.

Cleombrotus on January 5, 2013 at 1:59 PM

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

And all of those have limits. None are absolute.

Falsely crying fire, libel, defamation, human sacrifice, drug usage, and on and on and on…are not allowed.

We’re talking about limits.

SteveMG on January 5, 2013 at 1:59 PM

I used to love going to Hobby Lobby as a kid. I used to get all my Dungeons and Dragons books from there…then I hit puberty and had no use for that stuff.

hatecraft on January 5, 2013 at 2:01 PM

We have to pay those taxes even if it violates our religious views.

SteveMG on January 5, 2013 at 1:52 PM

It’s windy here and your strawmen are getting blown down. Medicare doesn’t (yet) provide abortion pills. HL has no objection to regular contreceptives, and yet still has the opportunity to choose insurance providers who may or may not offer them. The objection is to now being forced to pay for abortion-causing contraceptives. Sure they may not have had solid standing before Jan 1, but now they are paying objectional taxes and are incurring damages every day. It now has to be determined by the courts just how far 1st Amendment rights extend to for-profit non-person entities.

Nutstuyu on January 5, 2013 at 2:03 PM

God bless the Greens. I’m thankful for their courageous example.

Did anyone notice this?

We’ve not only added jobs in a weak economy, we’ve raised wages for the past four years in a row. Our full-time employees start at 80% above minimum wage.

They have lived out their Christian principles by extending blessing to their employees.

Christian business owners who treat their employees well completely undercut and demolish Obama’s continuing class warfare. Another reason statists will always hate Christians.

INC on January 5, 2013 at 2:03 PM

Smell that troll-free air.

Kataklysmic on January 5, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Aw, leave Archivarix alone. He may be a knucklehead, but he’s on the right side of the Constitution.

Othniel on January 5, 2013 at 2:04 PM

I’m just hoping other companies out there follow Hobby Lobby’s lead and take a stand against the health care mandate being shoved down their throats.

pilamaye on January 5, 2013 at 2:05 PM

I’m just hoping other companies out there follow Hobby Lobby’s lead and take a stand against the health care mandate being shoved down their throats.

pilamaye on January 5, 2013 at 2:05 PM

So am I. Even a whole big company like HL cannot stand alone.

MelonCollie on January 5, 2013 at 2:06 PM

SteveMG on January 5, 2013 at 1:59 PM

Are you saying that Government has absolute authority, and God does not?

kingsjester on January 5, 2013 at 2:08 PM

. Medicare doesn’t (yet) provide abortion pills

It provide contraception that is against Catholic Church teachings.

It also offers sterilization. Again, againt Catholic Church teachings.

And our tax dollars go to execute murderers. Against Church teachings.

Lots of out tax dollar go to policies that violate teachings of various churches or religions.

SteveMG on January 5, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Othniel on January 5, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Yeah, he is. And always a good read.

Well, usually, that is. Today, he kind of stepped in it.

Cleombrotus on January 5, 2013 at 2:09 PM

I used to love going to Hobby Lobby as a kid. I used to get all my Dungeons and Dragons books from there…then I hit puberty and had no use for that stuff.

hatecraft on January 5, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Why is it you miserables have to be so passive aggressive?

Just say what you mean and be done with it.

kingsjester on January 5, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Are you saying that Government has absolute authority, and God does not?

As I said above, there are limits to what the government can and cannot do. So why would you think I believe it has absolute authority?

And there are limits to religion too.

In any case, we have a secular government. It’s not supposed to promote any religious views.

SteveMG on January 5, 2013 at 2:11 PM

“Honoring God is more important than turning a profit”

…JugEars thought the open letter was about him!

KOOLAID2 on January 5, 2013 at 1:07 PM

I think there was a song written about him…Carly Simon just thought she was writing it about Warren Beatty…

You’re so vain
You probably think this [letter's] about you
You’re so vain
I’ll bet you think this [letter's] about you
Don’t you? Don’t you?

Resist We Much on January 5, 2013 at 2:11 PM

“To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.”

-Thomas Jefferson

Resist We Much on January 5, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Archivarix on January 5, 2013 at 1:03 PM
Nice backhand…schmuck.
kingsjester on January 5, 2013 at 1:08 PM

Passive aggressive.
davidk on January 5, 2013 at 1:09 PM

You guys misspelled douchbag. Be more careful in the future.

Good for Hobby Lobby for having guiding principles that they are willing to live by and fight for. They must know that the full wrath of the tyrant Obama’s regime will come upon them.

We need more people and companies to engage in civil disobedience in the face of this most anti-American of presidents and his slack-jawed lackies.

turfmann on January 5, 2013 at 2:14 PM

In any case, we have a secular government. It’s not supposed to promote any religious views.

SteveMG on January 5, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Wrong. We have a CIVIL government. Secular has nothing to do with it since it’s a belief system.

Cleombrotus on January 5, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Illegal aliens are exempt too… but wait…. they now get driver’s licenses… they now get student loans paid for by taxpayers….they are our equals on the roads… they get benefits…. but do not have to actually comply with our laws :-)

Whatta country.

cane_loader on January 5, 2013 at 1:48 PM

…my wife got rear-ended by an illegal who took off…and three different people got the license and make of the car and description of the chubby woman… check with the police numerous times…after several weeks…THEY claimed the person did not fit the description of the owner of that car! I have a $500.00 deductible…
…odd!…I have a friend that got me the address…and I drove the 40 miles two different times…the same chubby lady wearing the same colorful coat came out of that house into the same SUV!…Now I have to start writing some letters…make some calls and take some pictures…why?

KOOLAID2 on January 5, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Shopped at Hobby Lobby this Christmas & KUDOS to them for standing up against this HHS Tyranny.

HHS is another tool for intimidation to silence dissent and bankrupt opposition.

workingclass artist on January 5, 2013 at 1:21 PM

Did a lot of Christmas shopping atHobbu Lobby too. I love that store.

tencole on January 5, 2013 at 2:15 PM

The government has exempted thousands of companies from this mandate, for reasons of convenience or cost.

That’s very charitable of you Mr. Green.

In many of the cases the exemptions are granted as political or personal favors. Such is the way of the federal government now – it rules by caprice, one of the many indications that is nearing full blown tyranny.

When your fate is decided by the mere whims of your politicians, all those quaint concepts like liberty, freedom, and the rule of law whither and disappear.

CorporatePiggy on January 5, 2013 at 2:15 PM

We need more people and companies to engage in civil disobedience in the face of this most anti-American of presidents and his slack-jawed lackies.

turfmann on January 5, 2013 at 2:14 PM

ABSOLUTELY. At this point, that is the only thing that is going to stop this stuff.

Cleombrotus on January 5, 2013 at 2:16 PM

Thanks for the reminder – almost forgot.

God Bless Hobby Lobby and the Green family.

gophergirl on January 5, 2013 at 2:17 PM

SteveMG on January 5, 2013 at 2:11 PM

And yet, as Ed said,

The Obama administration is attempting to redefine religious expression to only those activities which take place within the four walls of a place of worship, or those activities restricted only to those of a single faith.

Something, as davidk pointes out to you earlier in the thread, is clearly unconstitutional.

kingsjester on January 5, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Smell that troll-free air.

Kataklysmic on January 5, 2013 at 2:04 PM

…I smell a silent phart once in a while…and on most threads…it seems like they sh!t themselves once or twice…and have to leave to freshen their diapers.

KOOLAID2 on January 5, 2013 at 2:19 PM

KOOLAID2 on January 5, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Clearly you and your wife are racists. Your wife for allowing herself to be read ended and you for expecting the oppressed proto American to take responsibility for your wife being in the way of this person.

Denounce yourself and report to the local reeducation camp, comrade.

turfmann on January 5, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Wife just left to go to the local Hobby Lobby to blow this months rent to support the cause. Guess I’ll have to tell my landlord that “elections have consequences” and he’ll get his rent next month :-p

powerpickle on January 5, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Hard to tell whether the liberals hate God or profits the most…

Don L on January 5, 2013 at 1:09 PM

That’s easy. They hate God the most. They can’t stand to be held accountable for anything and don’t believe much of anything is wrong. Ethics, morals, standards….blah, blah, blah. They don’t have any.

katieanne on January 5, 2013 at 2:21 PM

You guys misspelled douchbag. Be more careful in the future.

turfmann on January 5, 2013 at 2:14 PM

DouchEbag. lol

Earlier today, I left the “g” out when describing Obama as “know-nothingish.” Ironic. lol

Resist We Much on January 5, 2013 at 2:22 PM

I do think, on the other hand, that because Hobby Lobby does use religious beliefs in its OPERATION that it’s far different than, say, McDonalds or a secularly-oriented business.

That is, religion is an active component of how they operate their business and, as such, forcing them to violate their religious beliefs is unconstitutional.

But a McDonalds, to use another example, couldn’t use the same defense since they’re a secular operation.

Not all corporations are the same. Religiously-oriented or centered ones are obviously far different than a secular one.

I think on this ground Hobby Lobby might win.

SteveMG on January 5, 2013 at 2:23 PM

So am I. Even a whole big company like HL cannot stand alone.

MelonCollie on January 5, 2013 at 2:06 PM

In my experience large corps don’t want any part of this stand.

Most large corps de facto legalize gay marriage with their benefits arrangements. In fact they go one step further and do not require a fake marriage, just a nomination.

CorporatePiggy on January 5, 2013 at 2:24 PM

“To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.”

-Thomas Jefferson

Resist We Much on January 5, 2013 at 2:13 PM

…they don’t teach that kind of History any longer in the public schools…Jefferson… is just a monetary figure!

KOOLAID2 on January 5, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Something, as davidk pointes out to you earlier in the thread, is clearly unconstitutional

But that’s just not true.

A pacifist still has to pay taxes to support the military. Even if it violates their religious views.

Otherwise they go to jail.

There’s a long list of actions that people cannot take simply because it may violate their religious views.

I cite these example not as strawmen but as real cases that the Court has ruled on.

Freedom of religion is simply not absolute.

The question here is whether those limits are acceptable.

My guess is that if the corporation is a religiously oriented one that it does violate their freedom of religion. But a secularly oriented business doesn’t have the same rights even if the owners believe their religious rights are being violated.

SteveMG on January 5, 2013 at 2:27 PM

That wasn’t a dig at gays, btw – just a statement that large corps shy away from controversy for the most part. The vast majority will not take a stand on Abortion Hill.

CorporatePiggy on January 5, 2013 at 2:27 PM

Just returned from a shopping spree at Hobby Lobby! I wish I would have made a comment to the checkout person expressing my support for his boss taking a stand-didn’t think of it till I was in my car.

wolverinefan on January 5, 2013 at 2:29 PM

“Honoring God is more important than turning a profit”
As the Lord asked, what does it profit someone to gain the whole world yet lose his soul?

itsnotaboutme on January 5, 2013 at 1:09 PM

THIS

redlucy on January 5, 2013 at 2:29 PM

Denounce yourself and report to the local reeducation camp, comrade.

turfmann on January 5, 2013 at 2:20 PM

…that’s how the police are reacting to what I’ve been doing so far!…more important to them… is how I found the person that hit my wife while she was stopped…and then took off.
(probably had no insurance…which I think I’m about to find out…oh!…and that’s illegal!).

KOOLAID2 on January 5, 2013 at 2:29 PM

In my experience large corps don’t want any part of this stand.

Most large corps de facto legalize gay marriage with their benefits arrangements. In fact they go one step further and do not require a fake marriage, just a nomination.

CorporatePiggy on January 5, 2013 at 2:24 PM

Not surprised in the slightest.

IMHO most corporations don’t want to make any real stand at all for any kind of freedom whatsoever. We are long past the days when businesses were started and/or staffed by war veterans who’d been shot at for defending democracy. Your average businessman now basically does the Get-Along-Gang routine whenever possible, and things have not been helped by a lawsuit-happy liberal culture change.

Needless to say, this is hardly conductive to maintaining our freedoms, and has led to the point where a single idiot with a gripe can make a company change things because they’re so afraid of said idiot’s potential influence.

MelonCollie on January 5, 2013 at 2:30 PM

SteveMG on January 5, 2013 at 2:27 PM

You seem to be trying to put Christians in a box, as Obama is.

Our faith, the Faith of our Fathers, does not simply exist when we walk into our place of worship.

We have just as much right to say “no” as any American citizen does.

kingsjester on January 5, 2013 at 2:30 PM

DouchEbag. lol
Earlier today, I left the “g” out when describing Obama as “know-nothingish.” Ironic. lol
Resist We Much on January 5, 2013 at 2:22 PM

I’ve been bitchslapped by the spelling gods. Hey, look at the bright side – at least is didn’t mispell mispell. :p

turfmann on January 5, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Went to Hobby Lobby right after work..bought a sweet CV-63 USS Kitty Hawk Aircraft Carrier Model..I admire Hobby Lobby and Chick-fil-a a great deal..Especially Hobby Lobby with them risking so much fines..that takes courage and convictions..things that liberals will never have or understand…God please continue to bless them

sadsushi on January 5, 2013 at 2:31 PM

I despise liberalism. It destroys all that is good, especially our freedom.

Rose on January 5, 2013 at 2:33 PM

God bless ‘em.

I’ve had a lot of pictures n such matted and framed there. They do a great job, pay a lot of attention to detail and getting it right, and the prices are reasonable.

I’m heading over there this afternoon. I don’t need anything in particular, but I will find something I do or might need, and show some support.

Chick-Fil-A had a huge day when we all came out to support them, they ran out of buns here in Midland, TX that day, and the line was still out the door and people got something without a bun. I hope we get the same kind of turnout for Hobby Lobby.

iurockhead on January 5, 2013 at 2:37 PM

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