UK rebuffs Argentina on negotiations over Falkland Islands
posted at 8:01 am on January 3, 2013 by Ed Morrissey
Call it Madison Avenue diplomacy, or at least the London equivalent of Madison Avenue. Argentina’s president bought ad space in left-leaning British newspapers to publish an open letter to Prime Minister David Cameron, urging him to open negotiations on the transfer of sovereignty of the Falkland Islands. Instead, Cameron sent a stark warning in reply that the UK “would do everything to protect the interests of the Falkland Islanders”:
In an open letter to Mr Cameron, published as an advert in the Guardian newspaper and the Independent, President Fernandez repeats calls for the islands – which are known as the Malvinas in Argentina – to come under the sovereignty of her nation.
The Argentine president says the islands were forcibly stripped from Argentina in “a blatant exercise of 19th Century colonialism”.
Downing Street said the prime minister would “do everything to protect the interests of the Falklands islanders.”
Mr Cameron’s spokesman said the people of the Falklands had shown “a clear desire to remain British” and the Argentine government should respect their right to self determination.
It’s difficult to know whether Argentinian president Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner wants to be taken seriously, or just posture for domestic purposes. A serious effort would use actual diplomats rather than the sales offices of the Guardian and Independent, in the UN if not in the UK. This looks like political grandstanding, but it got perhaps a stronger response than Fernandez anticipated. The reply makes it clear that the UK is prepared to defend the islands militarily yet again, if it comes down to that.
Fernandez’ position is complicated by a referendum scheduled for March among the 3,000 Islanders to determine the political will of the residents. The current Falkland government made their position clear, stating that they were “not a colony,” and that their association with the UK was entirely voluntary. “Unlike the government of Argentina,” the statement continued, “the United Kingdom respects the right of our people to determine our own affairs, a right that is enshrined in the UN Charter and which is ignored by Argentina.” That doesn’t sound as though the referendum will go well for Fernandez.
That’s why she now claims that the self-determination of the current residents of the Falkland Islands is irrelevant. Argentina now argues that the British planted people on the island over the last 180 years of sovereignty, and that the people currently living on the islands — which are more than 250 miles away from Argentina, by the way — should be ineligible for self-determination. It’s a cute argument, as it does away with the question of self-determination at all — but by the same measure, most Argentinians would be ineligible for self-determination, as their population came mainly from colonial expansion from a couple of centuries before. What’s the cutoff? 181 years? 241 years? 369 years?
No one can be expected to take this seriously, but Cameron is clearly taking no chances. Fernandez seems eager to exploit this to escape from the consequences of her economic policies by distracting Argentinians with fantasies of Las Malvinas again.
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The Queen attends funerals all the time.
weaselyone on April 16, 2013 at 10:36 AM
No-she doesn’t.
The last PM’s funeral that she attended…was Churchill’s.
annoyinglittletwerp on April 16, 2013 at 10:43 AM
It’s unbelievable there’s no official rep from the White House going to Thatcher’s funeral. Absolutely unbelievable.
JetBoy on April 16, 2013 at 10:44 AM
Let’s face it, he hates what American and UK dominance stood for in the last century. Why the the hell else would you run on “change” and “hope”?
Tater Salad on April 16, 2013 at 10:44 AM
We’re to busy curtailing American freedom to send someone over.
-Admin
tommer74 on April 16, 2013 at 10:44 AM
He just has to start singing “My Country ‘Tis of Thee” when the Queen enters, and he’ll have that focus….
unclesmrgol on April 16, 2013 at 10:44 AM
There you have it! Obstructionist racist right-wing Republicans trying to score political points in a cheap ploy intended to upstage and embarrass The President!
– Chris Matthews
Liam on April 16, 2013 at 10:44 AM
Thatcher was at Reagan’s funeral, and the Queen sent Prince Charles.
Poor form by Obama on behalf of our country.
weaselyone on April 16, 2013 at 10:44 AM
I’m reading on Twitter that Menendez is the Senator blocking the Thatcher resolution…surprise!
d1carter on April 16, 2013 at 10:44 AM
I would love to see the Brits very publicly send a bust of Maggie to the White House.
antipc on April 16, 2013 at 10:45 AM
Spot on liam
cmsinaz on April 16, 2013 at 10:46 AM
Well done Boehner
gophergirl on April 16, 2013 at 10:46 AM
Typical hate from the left. Nothing to see, move along.
jukin3 on April 16, 2013 at 10:46 AM
Chris of Rights on April 16, 2013 at 10:22 AM
She requested that she not get a state funeral. Baroness Thatcher’s wishes are just being followed.
annoyinglittletwerp on April 16, 2013 at 10:46 AM
Obama sucks always and forever.
Sherman1864 on April 16, 2013 at 10:46 AM
Send him a bribe and an underage hooker, he will lift the block.
Tater Salad on April 16, 2013 at 10:47 AM
Which is why I quoted that directly before my statement. It was sarcasm, which is obvious if you go back to my original quote. At least I thought it was obvious.
weaselyone on April 16, 2013 at 10:47 AM
Thats the problem. He could eat a live puppy on national television and he wouldn’t get any bad press.
Alabama Infidel on April 16, 2013 at 10:47 AM
I’m surprised Palin isn’t going. I wonder if there’s a story there.
Paul-Cincy on April 16, 2013 at 10:47 AM
weaselyone on April 16, 2013 at 10:36 AM
Didn’t catch the snark.
My bad.
annoyinglittletwerp on April 16, 2013 at 10:47 AM
Sad to say but it’s quite believable. Maybe he’s planning to send autographed photos of himself to the Thatcher family instead.
Drained Brain on April 16, 2013 at 10:47 AM
I doubt I’ll be around then, so I’m having a vial of my urine frozen with instructions to my heirs to deposit it over his grave (or at the entrance of his mausoleum, no doubt) when that time comes.
TXUS on April 16, 2013 at 10:48 AM
Maybe he’ll break down and send a Hallmark card.
darwin on April 16, 2013 at 10:49 AM
+1000
But you shouldn’t malign British food that way.
unclesmrgol on April 16, 2013 at 10:49 AM
Signed by autopen.
Liam on April 16, 2013 at 10:50 AM
Biden can’t attend the funeral but does have time to attend a dedication of a room for gabby giffords
Crickets on politico re the funeral
cmsinaz on April 16, 2013 at 10:50 AM
Paul-Cincy on April 16, 2013 at 10:47 AM
did Thatcher know her/
Was she elected to national office?
The second answer is no. The first answer I don’t know.
My point is that while she shared a political kinship with MT,unless she personally knew MT-there’s no reason why she should be attending MT’s funeral.
annoyinglittletwerp on April 16, 2013 at 10:50 AM
Not to offend Palinistas, but given she has never held office (Mayor of Wasilla and half-time Governor of Alaska doesn’t count)it would be a little odd and overly political.
Tater Salad on April 16, 2013 at 10:50 AM
I am elated that odumba and moocher are not attending the funeral of such a wonderful and fantastic leader. All they would do is embarrass the USA and create a massive security nightmare for the British. Please, all of the people of the UK understand that odumba is not a representative of the real Americans! He is a domestic terrorist in disguise and has done nothing to help the USA but, he has armed our enemies all over the world ( the mudslum brotherhood) and caused more deaths with his gun running operation than have been killed in the USA with guns.
May GOD have mercy on her soul and comfort all that are saddened by her passing; Thank GOD for sending such a person to lead the England and show the people the proper course for their country.
harvey1 on April 16, 2013 at 10:51 AM
Not even common decency .
You think the world might see
the tiny thin skinned boy in
the White House now ?
Lucano on April 16, 2013 at 10:52 AM
Why is this unbelievable? This is what Obama is. He absolutely despises everything Lady Thatcher stood for. If he could get away with it politically, he would give a speech saying “good riddance” to her. The only difference between Obama and those celebrating her death in the streets of London is one of image.
Shump on April 16, 2013 at 10:52 AM
This man is the most gutless POS we’ve ever had in
the Oval office…
ToddPA on April 16, 2013 at 10:52 AM
These people are petty, narrow-minded, and self-involved. I presume they wish to side with those in the UK who sang ‘Ding Dong’, and not those who acknowledge Baroness Thatcher’s greatness and historic role in freeing Eastern Europe.
No respect, no manners, no class. I am ashamed of them.
jclittlep on April 16, 2013 at 10:53 AM
This moron doesn’t represent us. Time for a personal letter of condolence. You can write to Her Majesty at the following address:
Her Majesty The Queen
Buckingham Palace
London SW1A 1AA
If you wish to write a formal letter, you can open with ‘Madam’ and close the letter with the form ‘I have the honour to be, Madam, Your Majesty’s humble and obedient servant’. This traditional approach is by no means obligatory. You should feel free to write in whatever style you feel comfortable.
indypat on April 16, 2013 at 10:54 AM
Well, since Queen Elizabeth II is attending…
Maybe Obama can send Queen Latifah, you know, to have our side represented by royalty and all that…
coldwarrior on April 16, 2013 at 10:54 AM
Did he send anyone to the Chavez funeral?
darwin on April 16, 2013 at 10:54 AM
With “Happy Birthday, Bark! Love, Joey B.” crossed out and the words “Condolences.” scribbled underneath.
Bishop on April 16, 2013 at 10:54 AM
Obama is a petty President. He does not have my respect! Just plain awful.
karlinsync on April 16, 2013 at 10:55 AM
Gregory Meeks (D-NY) was the head of the US delegation.
Jesse Jackson was there, too, but as a private citizen.
coldwarrior on April 16, 2013 at 10:57 AM
Fair enough. It’s just that in my mind Palin is a primary US torchbearer of Thatcher’s principles.
Paul-Cincy on April 16, 2013 at 10:58 AM
I am ashamed of my country.
unseen on April 16, 2013 at 10:58 AM
Just reading Drudge…. James baker will be attending for dear leader and another Reagan guy….no one from current admin
cmsinaz on April 16, 2013 at 10:58 AM
So he sent a delegation to the funeral of a socialist dictator but refuses to send anyone to Thatcher’s???
Can we call him a Marxist now?
darwin on April 16, 2013 at 10:58 AM
Paul-Cincy on April 16, 2013 at 10:58 AM
She’s certainly in-sync w/ MT’s values-but but she really doesn’t belong there. That’s all I was saying.
annoyinglittletwerp on April 16, 2013 at 11:00 AM
If the Brits haven’t figure out that this administration does not like them, this snub of Thatcher along with sending back Churchills bust should clarify that dislike.
fight like a girl on April 16, 2013 at 11:02 AM
ROFL….doesn’t count. I love how people just brush away what is inconveient for them to face. Palin has more politcal experience then most people in DC but of course that doesn’t count….lol
I would imagine Gov Palin isn’t going in an offical capacity because she isn’t a head of state nor does she represent the USA diplomatic functions. That would be Obama’s state department and the Obama admin. for better or worse Obama is the head of the government.
unseen on April 16, 2013 at 11:02 AM
Yes, yes he did!
dmann on April 16, 2013 at 11:02 AM
I am surprised also. Sarah had planned to visit Thatcher some time ago but Thatcher was too ill to have guests if IIRC. Sarah held Thatcher is the highest regards and really admired her.
L
letget on April 16, 2013 at 11:04 AM
so there is no reason for Obama to go? you go to funerals to show respect for the life of the departed. this isn’t a family function. It’s a national funeral to honor one of Britian greatest PM’s. I doubt Palin will go. She doesn’t like to make things about herself. If she could figure out a way to go and not have acircus around her she would go.
unseen on April 16, 2013 at 11:05 AM
Really, I think that obama can just fulfill his “obligation” by sending a box of Region 1 DVD’s with a nice card – it’s the thought that counts.
Pork-Chop on April 16, 2013 at 11:05 AM
After Obama’s pointed return of the Churchill bust when he first entered the Oval Office, it became apparent that our feckless leader had a chip on his magnificent shoulder when it came to the British.
Now, in an act sure to raise international etiquette eyebrows, the shallow American president has fired of act two in his obvious disapproval of anything British.
dockywocky on April 16, 2013 at 11:06 AM
Close down congress for a few days while the entire GOP reps go there and show the world that all Americans aren’t as petty or vindictive as our president? Use the power you have –as does he.
Don L on April 16, 2013 at 11:13 AM
Obama to the rest of the world:
“I’m just not that into you”
BobMbx on April 16, 2013 at 11:14 AM
You’re wrong.
The Thatcher family invited all the former US Presidents. Dick Cheney, as I learned from this thread, is attending as a personal guest, rather than as a part of the official delegation. By your silly rationale, Cheney is disrespecting the Presidency. Well, no, he was likely invited. The point is to honor Maggie Thatcher, not necessarily, to represent the United States. I would think that any self-respecting conservative who was both invited and able to attend would make an effort to be there.
Robert_Paulson on April 16, 2013 at 11:14 AM
Isn’t there some story in “Dreams from my Father” about Obama’s Kenyan grandfather being tortured by the British? Which was found to be bogus. (surprise!)
But Obama’s anti-British attitude follows Dinesh D’Souza’s thesis that Obama followed his father’s anti-colonialism.
Paul-Cincy on April 16, 2013 at 11:14 AM
It’s going to be a common refrain – POS!
Karma would be no one attending oboobi’s funeral, save tinpot dictators, Muzzies and Moochers.In the annals of POTUS, there’ll be an asterisk and the ugliest picture to accompany the entry – worst POTUS ever and the manchurian counterfeit.
AH_C on April 16, 2013 at 11:15 AM
hey perspective check, we just had a bomb go off in boston…and you guys are carping on THIS?
*sigh*
nonpartisan on April 16, 2013 at 11:15 AM
So……the SCOTUS works for Obama? Is that right?
At best, POTUS is head of the Executive branch. Only.
BobMbx on April 16, 2013 at 11:16 AM
The Obama Administration – entirely peopled by classless f*cks.
Midas on April 16, 2013 at 11:17 AM
Those wondering about Palin should know that Thatcher’s funeral was by invitation only. It is her family, friends and invited heads of state. Palin never met Lady Thatcher. And why are we talking about Palin in this thread anyway? This is about Obama snubbing the Brits yet again. It has nothing to do with Palin.
fight like a girl on April 16, 2013 at 11:17 AM
Don’t be surprised that when Obama passes, the Brits “return the favor”…
Khun Joe on April 16, 2013 at 11:19 AM
He hates those British colonizers, who destroyed everything decent in the third world.
He’s still upset he missed Lenin’s funeral however.
Watch the delegation he sends for dear Castro’s funeral.
txdoc on April 16, 2013 at 11:20 AM
Oh, I know, right? Obama et al are so busy down there in Boston, sweeping up and investigating and… oh, well surely they can’t focus on anything from afar other than this explosi… oh wait, still working hard to get gun control and amnesty moving, eh?
Wait, you’re suggesting that the administration can’t spare anyone, can’t multi-task at all?
Yeah – go f*ck yourself.
Midas on April 16, 2013 at 11:20 AM
Don L on April 16, 2013 at 11:13 AM
Ooohh , I like that idea !
Lucano on April 16, 2013 at 11:21 AM
He can party with Beyoncé and send them to Cuba, send his kids to Aspen and Mexico, golf in Hawaii, but he can’t spare the time to attend the funeral of America’s staunchest ally, a country who has gone to the mat for America.
Words can’t describe my disgust.
itsspideyman on April 16, 2013 at 11:22 AM
Probably as many are maimed and killed in car accidents as in the bombing yesterday. I’m not going to dwell on some nutball (Al Qaeda or not) who more than likely desperately wants my attention, more than wanting to destroy our country. I think this 24 hour a day attention on the bombing is a big mistake. It’s just some nutjob nobody who wants to become a somebody.
Thatcher, on the other hand, helped destroy the USSR, and put her country on a path to prosperity. Thatcher matters. Some nobody nutjob bomber doesn’t.
Paul-Cincy on April 16, 2013 at 11:22 AM
What do you care chewy? Go crawl into your hole and let the growups talk about this.
itsspideyman on April 16, 2013 at 11:22 AM
The Obama regime never seizes to amaze me with their arrogance, incompetence and carelessness. Obama has been dissing our traditional allies a for going on 5 years, while sucking up to Russia, China and our Saudi” friends” .
simkeith on April 16, 2013 at 11:22 AM
and this nutjob is still on the loose…so right now the top priority as a country is to catch this nutjob and ensure everyones safety
nonpartisan on April 16, 2013 at 11:24 AM
If Jay-Z dropped dead Obama would hold a state funeral to honor him.
fogw on April 16, 2013 at 11:24 AM
…too busy here unmaking America…
shinty on April 16, 2013 at 11:24 AM
I don’t think she was. Her health was too bad for the journey so she recorded a message about him and their relationship.
And…I hate Obama with a white hot passion. Too bad most Britons probably cheer his decision.
levi on April 16, 2013 at 11:26 AM
Wait a gosh darned minute. Didn’t zero promise to restore America’s standing in the world. Sigh, another one bites the dust.
Kissmygrits on April 16, 2013 at 11:27 AM
Yeah, but he had no problem campaigning in Nevada the day after Benghazi, huh?
antipc on April 16, 2013 at 11:28 AM
I wouldn’t expect our narcissist in chief to do anything proper in this type of situation.
sadatoni on April 16, 2013 at 11:29 AM
Rest easy, Tovarish! When there’s fresh news about Boston, we’ll be back at it.
Then you can tell us we’re ‘carping’ and ‘sensationalizing’ that, too. Especially if it’s Islamic terrorism.
Liam on April 16, 2013 at 11:29 AM
It’s just a local crime event, no big deal and to be honest I’m already getting tired of the sensationalizing of it by the media.
Bishop on April 16, 2013 at 11:32 AM
.
How many people here believe we have insufficient assets to simultaneously cover BOTH (and much more, to boot) ?
That’s among the most ‘sorry-assed’ excuses I’ve ever heard.
It ranks right down there with; “Well, Christine de Kirchner isn’t sending anyone.”
listens2glenn on April 16, 2013 at 11:34 AM
Ohmygoodness, you’re right – that’s why we’re all headed to Boston right now!!!11! No can do anything else until this madman is stopped, omgz! It will take nothing less than 100% of the effort of every f*cking person in that entire f*cking Obama administration to bring this crisis to and end!!1! In fact, recall the military! Recall our ambassadors! Recall the USO and the Peace Corps – how can anyone possibly do anything else right now, holy crapzors!!11!
Midas on April 16, 2013 at 11:34 AM
I hope average conservative Brits know that we average conservative Americans are just as offended and angered by Obama’s intentional snub as they are. If I could go myself as one such average American as a show of honor and solidarity, I’d do it, but barring that, I just might send a letter of condolence to the Queen, as someone upthread suggested.
PatriotGal2257 on April 16, 2013 at 11:34 AM
Thatcher was Obama’s ideological enemy. It’s as simple as that.
This week they’re planning a push for totalitarianism in the U.S.
Dan_Yul on April 16, 2013 at 11:35 AM
This man was abandoned by his hate-Britain father yet he has been expressing disdain for Britain regularly.
How many in US government are product of life long “hate whitey”, from local to federal?
And how many US citizens are children or came from countries US waged war with?
US is in a whole lot of trouble, I tell ya. Remember those who saying what you want to hear are most dangerous.
PS. And I don’t believe Obama is bio son of Obama Sr. He looks more like Frank Davis. Still, at some point in his college life this guy decided to take on the fake father’s views to climb Ayers and Davis’ politics thus Democrat’s. Scary! Yet Americans don’t think long treacherous political scheme (used in the old world throughout its history) is ever done in US.
vnohara on April 16, 2013 at 11:37 AM
Well then this country is in bad shape if we need to drop everything to respond to something like this. So…uh…is our ambassador to Britain flying back to America to lend a hand? Why not?
Bishop on April 16, 2013 at 11:39 AM
Actually levi, she did make it. The speech however was going to be too much for her to do, so that was recorded.
She told her daughter that nothing would keep her away.
itsspideyman on April 16, 2013 at 11:40 AM
So it’s a Good News / Bad News scenario. The bad news is that we have a leftist cockroach in the White House, a childish pansy who is so small of stature and character that he would snub a great hero of America and freedom. But we all knew that.
The good news — and it is very good indeed — is that he will not compound the insult by sending his nitwit VP or his skank celebutard wife. Better to send no one.
Jaibones on April 16, 2013 at 11:40 AM
you talkin’ about Obama or Ayers dumpartisan?
DanMan on April 16, 2013 at 11:43 AM
Heh. And you somehow fantasize that this involves OBozo?
Jaibones on April 16, 2013 at 11:44 AM
I can’t believe I’m reading that.
Aside: Laughing in the Twilight, Part 1: John the Bastard Is Alive and Well
. . . its near topic and sucks slightly less than my usual.
On topic . . .
Up to this point, I’ve been able to put Obama over there and me over here, and he hasn’t been able to make me feel embarrassed. Up to this point.
WTF, man.
Axe on April 16, 2013 at 11:45 AM
levi on April 16, 2013 at 11:26 AM
Thatcher WAS at RR’s funeral-but her speech was recorded.
annoyinglittletwerp on April 16, 2013 at 11:46 AM
Ted Cruz just sent out a tweet that Senate will NOT be sending a delegation. So just the house.
Zaggs on April 16, 2013 at 11:47 AM
OBAMA even used the same sentences that he used for the Benghazi statement???
Gosh he cares……..
PappyD61 on April 16, 2013 at 11:49 AM
Haters gonna hate…
Don’t know if Sarah’s quite in Margie T’s league, but they do both stand for freedom and for the little guy and against big gov.
shinty on April 16, 2013 at 11:49 AM
+ One Trillion. Love it.
Cindy Munford on April 16, 2013 at 11:50 AM
Boston /Benghazi…….same first letter..
….use the same statement of resolve of course.
PappyD61 on April 16, 2013 at 11:50 AM
OHMYGOD…TED CRUZ IS A RINO !!!11
nonpartisan on April 16, 2013 at 11:51 AM
shinty on April 16, 2013 at 11:49 AM
I agree with your entire statement.
annoyinglittletwerp on April 16, 2013 at 11:51 AM
Hahahahaha. Perfect.
Jaibones on April 16, 2013 at 11:51 AM
My bet would be a box of dvd’s that don’t work in the UK…those went over well the last time Obama brought a gift over there.
JetBoy on April 16, 2013 at 11:52 AM
nonpartisan on April 16, 2013 at 11:51 AM
As the junior senator from TX-Cruz has no authority to send a delegation, you twit!
annoyinglittletwerp on April 16, 2013 at 11:53 AM
<blockquoteI doubt I’ll be around then, so I’m having a vial of my urine frozen with instructions to my heirs to deposit it over his grave (or at the entrance of his mausoleum, no doubt) when that time comes.
TXUS
FTW!
8thAirForce on April 16, 2013 at 11:54 AM
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