Reasonable Reid threw Obama cliff offer into a fire after he was booted from negotiations

posted at 7:41 pm on January 3, 2013 by Mary Katharine Ham

Some will no doubt applaud him for his actions, and wish McConnell and Boehner had taken similar ones with the final deal. But I think it’s important to note this story, since we hear no end of stories about how terribly unreasonable and obstructionist Republicans are. Rep. John Boehner even once said the F-word! Of course, that came after Reasonable Reid called him a “dictator” in public, but no matter.

When negotiations between Sen. Harry Reid and McConnell hit a wall, McConnell had Sen. Joe Biden step in to, God knows, do whatever it is Joe Biden does. Point being, Reid didn’t get it done.

Reid, the majority leader, had been negotiating and trading ideas with McConnell, his minority counterpart, since Friday evening. But the soft-spoken Nevada Democrat drew a bold line in the sand midday Sunday: He had no more counteroffers to give.

Suddenly and irreversibly, the talks veered into a new direction. Within minutes, the Kentucky Republican was dialing up Vice President Joe Biden, elevating his old colleague to the Democrats’ new negotiator-in-chief. It was the fateful decision that put the Senate and White House on the pathway to the deal eventually approved by the Senate and the House, ending weeks of drama over the fiscal cliff. It also left Reid standing on the sideline stewing.

“We know that when McConnell has hit a wall with Reid, he calls Joe Biden to get some more candy,” said a senior Senate Democratic aide, who requested anonymity to speak candidly about the vice president.

It was a good-cop, bad-cop routine that Reid wanted no part of. “We thought it was unnecessary,” the aide said of Biden’s involvement. “We had a lot of leverage.”

Dingy Harry was not happy:

There were now less than 36 hours until the deadline. “The clock was ticking and we were not moving.”

They weren’t moving because Democrats had decided that they had gone as far as they could. Reid and Obama had disagreed privately about what their next offer should be. At one point, Reid was unhappy with an idea that Senate aides said came from Obama — to put the change in Social Security benefits back on the table in exchange for a delay in spending cuts and a rise in the debt limit.

Aides said Reid actually tore up the proposal and threw it into the blazing fire in his ornate green marble fireplace. The paper burned. Reid said he didn’t want evidence that the idea had ever been considered.

Administration officials, for their part, deny that Obama ever considered including the Social Security change in the deal.

Like a less charismatic Monty Burns, he ripped asunder the pages of his own president’s proposal, long withered talons working with the unexpected swiftness of an aged but still fierce turkey vulture, tearing into another carrion counter offer in the warm glow of his ornate, green marble fireplace. He’s a Disney villain, for God’s sake, yet somehow Mitt Romney was the greatest monster of our time.

In other news, the party that hasn’t passed a budget in three years, throwing us hurtling toward cliff after cliff as they blow through every debt-celing deal we pass, is going to run agains the “chaos” they’ve caused in 2014.


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Bmore on January 3, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Like a less charismatic Monty Burns, he ripped asunder the pages of his own president’s proposal, long withered talons working with the unexpected swiftness of an aged but still fierce turkey vulture, tearing into another carrion counter offer in the warm glow of his ornate, green marble fireplace. He’s a Disney villain, for God’s sake, yet somehow Mitt Romney was the greatest monster of our time.

Beautiful.

Resist We Much on January 3, 2013 at 7:47 PM

“The war is lost…”

Seven Percent Solution on January 3, 2013 at 7:48 PM

There need to be trials, and punishments. One day there will be a reckoning, one day Harry, you and yours.

Viper1 on January 3, 2013 at 7:53 PM

Boehner needs to shut DC down until a budget is passed.

ctmom on January 3, 2013 at 7:55 PM

Reid is a nasty little rat-looking fug like Howard Metzenbaum of years ago, with the same kind of spite built right in.

Who knows? His ego and Obama’s might one day clash in a big way, with both jockeying for the most power. This could get interesting.

Liam on January 3, 2013 at 7:56 PM

It also left Reid standing on the sideline stewing.
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Reid: “You could literally smell the tourists….”

canopfor on January 3, 2013 at 7:56 PM

A bunch of egos on meth.

davidk on January 3, 2013 at 7:59 PM

Hahahahahaha!!!

;)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 3, 2013 at 8:05 PM

After living in Utah for several years, I knew Reid typified the branch of arrogant wannabe Mormon elder from the night he gave the rebuttal to W’s State o/t Union speech, after taking over Senate majority.

Soft tones to mask condescending words, because he’s smarter than all.

How else do you end up referring to your presidential candidate as “my pet”?

Best thing Boehner has done was to tell him to F Off.

I still blame the Sharon Angle Gang for this clown’s existence.

budfox on January 3, 2013 at 8:08 PM

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https://twitter.com/SenatorReid

canopfor on January 3, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Who cares what this pedophile does or thinks. I just wish that next time he throws himself into the fire instead.

Self-immolation is good for the soul, Harry.

Thomas More on January 3, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Not to worry, when Obama comes with the new gun law from the White House to the Senate, it will be brought to a vote with in the hour. or with in the year. If one thinks that Reid will not have long memories on this shun, it will last until a while. Or he will make up with Obama and be back to the boot lick he is.

tjexcite on January 3, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Reid is a putz!

O/T: Go Ducks!!!!

Rovin on January 3, 2013 at 8:15 PM

In other news, the party that hasn’t passed a budget in three years, throwing us hurtling toward cliff after cliff as they blow through every debt-celing deal we pass, is going to run agains the “chaos” they’ve caused in 2014.

And therein lies everything that is wrong with DC; the first day of the new Congress is not even 9 hours old and they are already looking toward the next election 2 years away. At the current trajectory of spending, there may not be anything left to preside over by then…

rcpjr on January 3, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Who cares what this pedophile does or thinks. I just wish that next time he throws himself into the fire instead.

Self-immolation is good for the soul, Harry.

Thomas More on January 3, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Oh, he’ll burn. I have faith.

totherightofthem on January 3, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Obama is evil – Reid is just gross

gophergirl on January 3, 2013 at 8:27 PM

Who knows? His ego and Obama’s might one day clash in a big way, with both jockeying for the most power. This could get interesting.

Liam on January 3, 2013 at 7:56 PM

The point is also that Obama pushed Reid out of the way when he became an obstacle to reaching an agreement. Obama is far more centrist and pragmatic than the right has suggested.
It’s also clear that Reid will represent the AARP and the senior lobby going forward. Given the number of retirees living in NV, this should come as no surprise.

bayam on January 3, 2013 at 8:28 PM

I still blame the Sharon Angle Gang for this clown’s existence.

budfox on January 3, 2013 at 8:08 PM

That only shows that your naivete surpasses your intelligence. Republican will ever win a statewide election in Nevada for as long as the votes are entrusted to computers. Of all the states in the Union, Nevada Democrats have the most obvious experience in computer rigging. Hint: gaming machines aren’t charity.

Archivarix on January 3, 2013 at 8:29 PM

sure, Reid is reasonable…

but he also likes children. Too much.

Slade73 on January 3, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Obama is evil – Reid is just gross

gophergirl on January 3, 2013 at 8:27 PM

Evil breeds a lot of Gross. Hear from an Czars lately? Neither have I. I wonder what they’re up to…apparently spending $1T/year on croneys, lackeys, and other supporters.

Who is John Galt on January 3, 2013 at 8:33 PM

still – how does this child molester manage again and again to accuse the House of doing nothing…when he hasn’t done a d@mn thing. Oh Yeah. Americans have the collective intelligence of my left KnutSaCk. They sit on the TV and watch the couch.

Slade73 on January 3, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Obama is far more centrist and pragmatic than the right has suggested.

bayam on January 3, 2013 at 8:28 PM

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I think that you just cracked ALL of my ribs.

LOL, bayam, LOL!

Resist We Much on January 3, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Obama is far more centrist and pragmatic than the right has suggested.

bayam on January 3, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Very honest, too. And blond.

Archivarix on January 3, 2013 at 8:37 PM

Wow, I thought Politico had the monopoly on anonymous sources.

Cindy Munford on January 3, 2013 at 8:38 PM

please stop laughing at bayam. They’re completely sincere. They need to be forcefully committed to an asylum, not laughed at.

Slade73 on January 3, 2013 at 8:39 PM


After living in Utah for several years, I knew Reid typified the branch of arrogant wannabe Mormon elder from the night he gave the rebuttal to W’s State o/t Union speech, after taking over Senate majority.

Oh, tell me about it. I got the same smarmy-arrogant-priggish-uptight senior-cleric-elder vibe from that awkward and effete Romney fellow who could no more string two words together without flatly contradicting himself than he could read a d*****d poll. What a loon that guy was.

If only Sharon Angle had been our nominee for our nation’s highest office. At least she was able to make it a close contest with Reid, unlike Romney.

casuist on January 3, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Like a less charismatic Monty Burns, he ripped asunder the pages of his own president’s proposal, long withered talons working with the unexpected swiftness of an aged but still fierce turkey vulture, tearing into another carrion counter offer in the warm glow of his ornate, green marble fireplace. He’s a Disney villain, for God’s sake, yet somehow Mitt Romney was the greatest monster of our time.

Bravo Erika! That’s about the finest piece of prose I’ve seen grace Hot Gas.

can_con on January 3, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Bravo Erika! That’s about the finest piece of prose I’ve seen grace Hot Gas.

can_con on January 3, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Doh! That would be to the Hammer!, Erika, you are still pretty good though.

can_con on January 3, 2013 at 8:51 PM

Oh, isn’t Reid dramatic, burning the proposal so there wouldn’t be any evidence it ever existed.

But was it handwritten, and the only copy that existed? Somebody needs to invite him to 1985 and explain how electronic files work.

Mayday on January 3, 2013 at 8:54 PM

If only Sharon Angle had been our nominee for our nation’s highest office. At least she was able to make it a close contest with Reid, unlike Romney.

casuist on January 3, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Reid: 50.3%
Angle: 44.6%
Diff: 5.7%

Obama: 51.0%
Romney: 47.2%
Diff: 3.8%

Yeah, I’m sad that Sharron Angle wasn’t the nominee, too. Today, I would be able to console myself after the economic destruction, cultural chaos, and numerous debacles of the Republican Party with the fact that she made it a “close contest” with Obama, unlike Romney.

Resist We Much on January 3, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Bravo Erika! That’s about the finest piece of prose I’ve seen grace Hot Gas.

can_con on January 3, 2013 at 8:50 PM

I agree. But that’s not saying much.

Congrats Erika for some Simpsons riffs.

Slade73 on January 3, 2013 at 8:59 PM

•January 3, 2013, 2:36 PM

Fiscal-Cliff Law by the Numbers
By David Wessel
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It took a while, but the budget bean-counters are beginning to come up with charts and tables to show the impact of the tax law (formally, the American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012) that Congress passed and President Barack Obama signed this week.

The White House, using estimates from the Congressional Budget Office and Congress’s Joint Committee on Taxation, says the law cuts the deficit by $737 billion over 10 years from what CBO said the deficit would have been had previous policies been extended (including the extension of all Bush tax cuts). Most of that comes from tax increases on upper-income housesholds; $104 billion of it comes from spending less on interest since there will be less borrowing than projected.

There’s a line-by-line table here.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2013/01/01/american-taxpayer-relief-act-reduces-deficits-737-billion

The non-partisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget has weighed in,

http://crfb.org/blogs/how-does-budget-look-now

too, and its estimates resemble the White House’s.

CRFB figures that the tax increases would bring the federal debt–the accumulation of all past borrowing–held by the public (that is, excluding what’s in the Social Security trust fund) to 78.9% of gross domestic product in 2022, versus the 81.5% that the committee projected had previous policies been extended.

Deficits have been so large in recent times that the accumulation of federal borrowing has been growing much faster than the economy and, as a result, the debt as a percentage of GDP has been rising. The Obama administration’s goal is to reduce the deficit sufficiently so debt as a percentage of GDP stabilizes, albeit at a level much above prerecession levels. (The federal debt hit a recent low of 32.5% of GDP in 2001.)
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http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/01/03/fiscal-cliff-deal-by-the-numbers/

canopfor on January 3, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Of course you’ve been waaaaaaaaaaaaay more clever. You’ve gone Douglas Adams on us for God’s sake. I didn’t think HotAir bloggers read till you.

Slade73 on January 3, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Aides said Reid actually tore up the proposal and threw it into the blazing fire in his ornate green marble fireplace. The paper burned. Reid said he didn’t want evidence that the idea had ever been considered.

Friggin’ moron thinks he’s James Bond.

Bats in the Belfry Harry? Right-On-Time-Onset Alzheimers perhaps?

Tim_CA on January 3, 2013 at 9:03 PM


Yeah, I’m sad that Sharron Angle wasn’t the nominee, too.

Irony noted. But your comparison is flawed. Even a 5-point swing in every state would not have saved that befuddled progressive who frequently cross-dressed as a skewed-poll-dancing faux-conservative, Willard Romney:

Nor was this because President Obama turned out massive numbers of voters to pull the level for him. Per capita, Obama actually got 9 percent fewer votes than in 2008 — a rather precipitous decline. If Romney had simply improved upon John McCain’s performance by that same amount — if he had gotten 9 percent more votes per capita than McCain did — he’d now be preparing to move into the White House. Instead, Romney got 2 percent fewer votes per capita than McCain, a result so bad that it would have seemed almost unfathomable before Election Day

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/even-5-point-swing-wouldn-t-have-saved-romney_692110.html

casuist on January 3, 2013 at 9:04 PM

In other news today, large, gluttonous snake devours own tail…

di butler on January 3, 2013 at 9:09 PM

haha

of course I got tricked. This isn’t Erika. It’s Mary Ham. No wonder she’d goes Simpsons rather than Douglas Adams.

Slade73 on January 3, 2013 at 9:09 PM

Reid threw Obama cliff offer into a fire after he was booted from negotiations

Girl Gone Wild.

petefrt on January 3, 2013 at 9:16 PM

Mary Ham.

If you stop being a tool, you have a chance.

Slade73 on January 3, 2013 at 9:20 PM

horse teeth or not

Slade73 on January 3, 2013 at 9:21 PM

casuist on January 3, 2013 at 9:04 PM

My comparison is not flawed. You said that Angle kept it closer in her race against Reid than Romney did with Obama. She didn’t. If she had, she wouldn’t have lost by more than he did. She lost by 5.7 points. He lost by 3.8 points.

I am aware of the Romney’s performance. I had this discussion yesterday with a few, who claimed that McCain “outperformed” Romney and mistakenly assumed that I was some fan of him (either, really). It is simply not true. Not in EVs, not it states won, and not in percentage of the popular vote.

It is also important to note that Obama received 3.6 million votes less than he did in 2008. So, I think that we can say that both candidates “under-performed.” Basically, there was a significant portion of the electorate that didn’t care for either.

It might make one feel better, but revisionist history does nothing to help prepare for the future.

Resist We Much on January 3, 2013 at 9:24 PM

Can the House defund the ornate green marble fireplace and replace it with a small space heater from Walmart?

wolly4321 on January 3, 2013 at 9:41 PM

Obama is far more centrist and pragmatic than the right has suggested.

bayam on January 3, 2013 at 8:28 PM

3rd day of 2013 and we have the effin comment of the year…golf clap for Bayam…

hillsoftx on January 3, 2013 at 9:42 PM

horse teeth or not

Slade73 on January 3, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Lay off the Hammer!

can_con on January 3, 2013 at 10:12 PM

I would expect nothing less from a panty wearing pederast like Nancy Reid.

locomotivebreath1901 on January 3, 2013 at 10:22 PM

It also left Reid standing on the sideline stewing.

No, it left him, like Nancy Pelosi; with their thumbs up their asses.

GarandFan on January 3, 2013 at 10:34 PM

Boehner needs to shut DC down until a budget is passed.

ctmom on January 3, 2013 at 7:55 PM

…he’d cry first…than ask Harry for a hanky!

KOOLAID2 on January 3, 2013 at 11:20 PM

please stop laughing at bayam. They’re completely sincere. They need to be forcefully committed to an asylum, not laughed at.

Slade73 on January 3, 2013 at 8:39 PM

…that donkey is getting dumber and dumber…it isn’t chewing hay anymore…it’s eating weed!

KOOLAID2 on January 3, 2013 at 11:22 PM

The Obama administration’s goal is to reduce the deficit sufficiently so debt as a percentage of GDP stabilizes, albeit at a level much above prerecession levels. (The federal debt hit a recent low of 32.5% of GDP in 2001.)

Um, no.

The Obama administration’s goal is to get as much of the middle class dependent on the largesse of the federal gov’t (read Dems) as possible.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on January 3, 2013 at 11:23 PM

Obama is far more centrist and pragmatic than the right has suggested.

bayam on January 3, 2013 at 8:28 PM

ObamaCare.

Chuck Schick on January 3, 2013 at 11:45 PM

Every time (before this one) I saw the picture that accompanies this thread my first thought was “damn, what a smug a$$hole”. Looking at it today, that’s not a look of smugness, that’s a look that says “you people would not BELIEVE how much crap I’ve gotten away with my entire adult life”.

Moose Drool on January 4, 2013 at 12:03 AM

It also left Reid standing on the sideline stewing.

No, it left him, like Nancy Pelosi; with their thumbs up their asses.

GarandFan on January 3, 2013 at 10:34 PM

But did they remove their Depends first or just reach inside?

climbnjump on January 4, 2013 at 12:22 AM

THIS is why Mary Katherine Ham is THE BEST!

williamg on January 4, 2013 at 12:36 AM

This is a guy who thinks his pomegranate trees miss him.
They do Harry.

pat on January 4, 2013 at 1:01 AM

So what exactly is it going to take for the people of Nevada to see the type of person Harry Reid really is, and they finally at long last end up throwing his political career into the fire?

I mean, where did Harry get all that money for that ornate green marble fireplace, hmmmmmmmmmm?

pilamaye on January 4, 2013 at 8:40 AM

Reid: “You could literally smell the tourists….”

canopfor on January 3, 2013 at 7:56 PM

NOTE TO REPUBLICANS:

Make sure you bring a large aerosol bottle of “Tourist Scent” to any future meetings with Harry Reid.

landlines on January 4, 2013 at 10:13 AM

But the soft-spoken Nevada Democrat

Huh? was this the joke line?

katablog.com on January 4, 2013 at 10:41 AM