Open thread: House Speaker vote; Update: Boehner wins

posted at 12:11 pm on January 3, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Under normal circumstances, the vote for Speaker of the House would be a footnote to the opening day of a new Congressional session — but these aren’t normal circumstances.  There has been some grassroots effort to unseat John Boehner in today’s vote, or at least to pressure him into some concessions to conservatives who have felt rejected over the fiscal-cliff negotiations.  It may take as few as 17 dissident Republicans to force Boehner to campaign for his seat:

Rep. John Boehner is running unopposed to keep his job as House speaker for a second term, but the Ohio Republican’s reelection bid – the first vote of the 113th Congress, which convenes on Thursday – is nonetheless a churn of rumor and controversy.

It would take just 17 GOP dissenters to force a second ballot in Thursday’s 12:45 p.m. voice vote and force, perhaps, Boehner to withdraw his candidacy for reelection as speaker.

“It’s not going to happen,” says Michael Steel, a spokesman for Mr. Boehner, responding to such reports in an e-mail.

Here’s the rub: while there has been considerable dissatisfaction over the way Boehner has handled his job, there hasn’t been any public challenge to his speakership.  No one has publicly declared him/herself a candidate for the job.  Nor has anyone demonstrated any real inclination to take it, either by word or deed, as Ben Howe commented earlier on Twitter:

Erick Erickson noted the problem of “who else” after hearing from sources on Capitol Hill:

Jim Antle isn’t seeing any options, without Majority Leader Eric Cantor challenging:

Honestly, who would want the job?  They’d have a weak hand in every negotiation, and would have to somehow corral the entire fractious caucus to get anything done. The obvious choice would be Cantor, but he owes his House Majority Leader position to Boehner and hasn’t expressed any interest at all in the job.  No one else would be likely to get the votes.

I’d guess that we may see two or three ballots on the question, just to press Boehner into a hard commitment to force normal order in the 113th, a pledge he renewed this week.  Unless a leader rises to represent the dissenters, though, the vote will eventually go Boehner’s way.

Update: If there was going to be a serious challenge, one could expect the momentum to come from the conservative Republican Study Committee.  As our colleague Guy Benson noted, though, it sounds as though they’ve achieved some accommodation with Boehner:

Update: “No further nominations” other than Boehner or Nancy Pelosi. Pretty sure any abstentions will be minimal at this point.

Update: Justin Amash, who lost his committee assignment in a round of whip-cracking by Boehner after the election, voted for … Raul Labrador.

Update: Cantor received a protest vote from a freshman Republican, but wasn’t too happy about it:

Cantor voted for Boehner, apparently, although there was some confusion as to whether he responded at all.

Update: It’s not just Republicans casting protest votes:

Derp!

Update: We’re more than a third of the way through, and so far only 6 protest votes from Republicans, but Tim Huelskamp also got revenge for his committee punishment:

But …

Update: At the halfway mark,it’s looking like Boehner may have to sweat out a first-ballot win:

Update: Interestingly, both Price and Schweikert — who have openly opposed Boehner of late — voted to make him Speaker.

Update: As I suspected, Boehner won on the first ballot, and managed to do better than the bare-majority 218, too. Not that Boehner actually needed 218 votes to win — he only needed a majority of votes cast for any candidate, as the Congressional Research Service explained a year ago in a report, emphasis mine:

Each new House elects a Speaker by roll call vote when it first convenes. Customarily, the conference of each major party nominates a candidate whose name is placed in nomination. Members normally vote for the candidate of their own party conference, but may vote for any individual, whether nominated or not. To be elected, a candidate must receive an absolute majority of all the votes cast for individuals. This number may be less than a majority (now 218) of the full membership of the House, because of vacancies, absentees, or members voting “present.”

It appears that Boehner had about a 20-vote cushion after accounting for various protest votes, so in effect it wasn’t even really close.

Update: Today’s biggest loser?

A conservative group aiming to oust John Boehner as speaker of the House said on Wednesday that they have commitments from enough Republicans in Congress to deliver the political surprise of the year and deny the Ohio Republican another two years with the speaker’s gavel.

“I have confirmed with a group of congressmen that Speaker Boehner will not be elected speaker tomorrow,” Ron Meyer of the group American Majority Action wrote in an email Wednesday evening. “He will either resign or be forced out tomorrow.”

In a phone interview with The Daily Caller, Meyer said “more than 20” Republicans have told his group they won’t vote for Boehner during elections Thursday. American Majority Action is a conservative organization based in Virginia that is active in the tea party movement. It is run by Ned Ryun, the son of former Republican Rep. Jim Ryun of Kansas.

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End of the Elephant party…period. Conservatives are doomed.

metroryder on January 3, 2013 at 1:57 PM

of course here comes the Ron Paul people, his cult of personality is just and annoying and dangerous as the Obama cult. What are you guys going to do in 2016 when he doesn’t run?

ChunkyLover on January 3, 2013 at 1:40 PM

Yes, liberty is certainly dangerous to a statist.

Dante on January 3, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Yes, ‘cuz e’rybuddy noes that only “TruCons” luvs dem sum libbadee and Ron Paul is libbadee’s only litebringaa.

Resist We Much on January 3, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Speaking of the base, listening to the radio today, I think we’ve been called “purists” 50 times all ready. Is that what we are now?

tencole on January 3, 2013 at 1:56 PM

Would you rather be a harlot?

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 1:58 PM

And yet most here will continue to dutifully vote Republican.

hatecraft on January 3, 2013 at 1:58 PM

RWM, too bad you couldn’t run for president.

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 1:58 PM

A little over 24 hours ago FNC announced live on the air that John Boehner told dingy Harry to go F… himself. Not once, but twice.
I don’t feel so bad about himn getting reelected after that.Long overdue.

rodguy911 on January 3, 2013 at 1:58 PM

And yet most here will continue to dutifully vote Republican.

hatecraft on January 3, 2013 at 1:58 PM

Don’t be so sure. They have not received a penny from me in at least 10 years. One has to learn at some point.

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 1:59 PM

Another observation I’ve made is that people tend to like to complain about the mess more than actually do something about it. Then they complain when somebody runs for office who doesn’t have the backbone needed to confront the Democrats when the complainee doesn’t have any backbone to run for office.

eva3071 on January 3, 2013 at 1:59 PM

The Republican Party is dead and unfortunately for US so is the only current opposition to the Socialist/Liberal agenda.

Get ready to say hello to a Dem majority in the house, fillbuster proof majority in the senate, 2014 and then another dem pres in 2016 ohh and did I mention the new hard left reoriented supreme via 2014-2016 appointments.

C-Low on January 3, 2013 at 2:00 PM

This is just once again demonstrates that Washington is a kingdom within a country, a Shangri-La. In their world, there is no other world. Bachman votes for Boehner because that is what the unwritten laws of the kingdom command. The American principles of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness have no meaning — or rather exist only as quaint conversational abstracts — in the kingdom. The laws and insuperable social pressures of collegiality, cronyism, sinecure, power, affect, presentation and political opportunity are what matter. Occasionally the country’s periodic hiccups and groans — such as elections and electoral pressures — make life within the kingdom awkward. But it’s only temporary. The kingdom always recovers. Equilibrium is always restored.

Until it is totally shattered.

rrpjr on January 3, 2013 at 2:00 PM

eva3071 on January 3, 2013 at 1:59 PM

Are you in office? If so, which weasel are you?

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 2:00 PM

One Party……..PROGRESSIVE.

Two styles for your voting pleasure.

Democrat, for the real vindictive rich hating teaters and the socially conscious that wants free condoms and abortions.

republican, for those that feel guilty about their success and want to just be left alone and are willing to give up on almost anything just to have peace and quiet and “bipartisanship”.

Take your pick, but you get the same result.

PappyD61 on January 3, 2013 at 2:00 PM

@crosspatch

Good analysis. The GOP has a bad hand right now and it will take a lot of juking and jiving and (horrors of horrors) moderation from the leadership to hold off the worst liberal impulses to come in the next four years. Too bad that a lot of the Tea Party drama queeens and Paultards on here will condemn you as an apologist for statism, a damn dirty RINO, and traitor to the Noble Cause of Conservative Purity At All Costs.

Dukeboy01 on January 3, 2013 at 2:01 PM

In case you didn’t quite get what I was talking about, every person here acting hysterical about the recent events are cowards for not decciding to get active in politics.

eva3071 on January 3, 2013 at 2:02 PM

The Republic ceased to exist under Lincoln.

Dante on January 3, 2013 at 1:49 PM

You are an idiot… The US became vastly more powerful after the Civil War than before…

mnjg on January 3, 2013 at 2:02 PM

The kingdom always recovers. Equilibrium is always restored.

Until it is totally shattered.

rrpjr on January 3, 2013 at 2:00 PM

You must be a frog…in the slooooowly warming up water. By the time you wake up, it’ll boil…and…wait…you ain’t gon’ wake up…because the dead don’t wake up.

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Are you in office? If so, which weasel are you?

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Better the weasel influencing politics than the jackwagon sitting on his tush throwing tantrum like a small child.

eva3071 on January 3, 2013 at 2:03 PM

What with the hysteria here? Its not like there was any lined up and wanting the job of the Speakership, so it would make since that Boehner would win. Yet certain jackwagons are bemoaning this as the end of the world and such.

eva3071 on January 3, 2013 at 1:57 PM

No, it’s not a surprise. Like you said, who else was going to do it?

But.

What probably everyone (them jackwagons) is bemoaning is the fact that no one had the stones to step up and say “I can do this” and actually LEAD.

It is a bemoanable fact that there doesn’t seem to be any bold leadership in congress to do the hard work that needs to be done.

You agree that’s a bemoanable fact, don’t you?

kim roy on January 3, 2013 at 2:04 PM

In case you didn’t quite get what I was talking about, every person here acting hysterical about the recent events are cowards for not decciding to get active in politics.

eva3071 on January 3, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Wow, you know a lot about every person commenting on HA.

You come across almost as foolish as the ‘simpatico’ leftards around here. It’s always amazing to see so much foolishness on the right.

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Better the weasel influencing politics than the jackwagon sitting on his tush throwing tantrum like a small child.

eva3071 on January 3, 2013 at 2:03 PM

You’re truly obtuse and claim to demonstrate au contraire. sesquipedalian is smarter and knows better.

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Better the weasel influencing politics than the jackwagon sitting on his tush throwing tantrum like a small child.

eva3071 on January 3, 2013 at 2:03 PM

Why don’t you take your own advice.

You are3 annoying as hell, and as stupid as they come. “influencing politics” … LOL. Aiding and abetting, dipsh!t.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 3, 2013 at 2:06 PM

eva3071 on January 3, 2013 at 1:59 PM

Oh. You’re just trolling. Sorry. Ignore my first response.

Lates!

kim roy on January 3, 2013 at 2:06 PM

And yet most here will continue to dutifully vote Republican.

hatecraft on January 3, 2013 at 1:58 PM

I’m done with them. I can’t trust them. Their talk doesn’t match actions. Only a handful voted down Boehner? Really? This was their last chance to show they are principled.

Decoski on January 3, 2013 at 2:06 PM

oh Dear….Boehner is tearing up during his speech….

CoffeeLover on January 3, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Wait! Martin Bashir was wrong about Boehner losing his Speakership?!?! But the internets told him he was out! Oh man, the MSDNC must be super sad that their ‘sources’ were wrong.

Lance Murdock on January 3, 2013 at 2:08 PM

oh Dear….Boehner is tearing up during his speech….

CoffeeLover on January 3, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Maybe he’ll drown in his own tears …

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 3, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Note to the sane at HA – most trolls have computer-generated noms, with letters followed by numbers.

That is why it’s sometimes fun to converse with verbaluce, for ex., or with Urban Elitist. They at least are humans, with some brain and personality capacity.

The others are here, paid by Axelturd or some such from the RINO squishsquadron, or messing around on their own, pretending to think.

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 2:08 PM

GOP = Game Over Party

Game over man….Game Over!

William Eaton on January 3, 2013 at 2:11 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 3, 2013 at 2:06 PM

And yet, the eternal circle marches on. Wihine and bemoan, while everybody else marches on.

Perhaps you and others are like this because you reconginze that you have no power whatsoever. So rather than take charge with your own hands and wade into the swamp, you would preene to stay on the shoreline wharing immaculate clothing while shouting epitaths at everybody else over the state of affairs. I really despise people like you for that, willing to exist over the backs of other, just like the left-wing in this country.

eva3071 on January 3, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Oh my…the drama queens are out posting today…the sky is falling, the sky is falling…

right2bright on January 3, 2013 at 1:42 PM

;)

Seven Percent Solution on January 3, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Can one of these folks meeping about the results please tell me what the freaking PLAN was? You don’t take down a sitting Speaker, an Establishment-mandated Presidential Candidate, or anybody else without a mother-freaking PLAN!

Don’t give me the “people smarter than me will figure out the plan.” A good plan is obvious. You go to Point A, then you get everybody on board for Point B. You signal to waverers that there is an actual alternate plan, and would you like to hop on board. Then you go to Point C where you win.

What was the plan? Frankly, guys, there wasn’t one—just wait for Boehner to be vulnerable, embarrass him, then act like the dog who caught the car. The sense of planning and strategy displayed here is only rivaled by an empty Coke can. So don’t be surprised when p1ss-poor planning on conservatives’ part does not constitute an emergency on anyone else’s part.

Sekhmet on January 3, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Note also, over time, that every one of them has tried to take me on, pretending to have any power or influence. They are part of the organized “disarm the opposition” camp.

Note to you, idiots, I know the charlatnic thuggery of tyrannies better than any of you little Goebbels will ever get to know, to your own luck and fortune. I don’t with them on you, even, and will always fight for your freedom to be that stupid in your Utopias. You need to be born at least 7 times before you’ll even realize how tiny you really are, plankton.

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 2:13 PM

oh Dear….Boehner is tearing up during his speech….

CoffeeLover on January 3, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Maybe-live video

Steve Eggleston on January 3, 2013 at 2:13 PM

I really despise people like you for that, willing to exist over the backs of other, just like the left-wing in this country.

eva3071 on January 3, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Then you are a perfect case of battered wife syndrome. I hope you get help.

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 2:13 PM

eva3071 on January 3, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Your spell-check failed honey. Does Axe dock $$ for that?

kim roy on January 3, 2013 at 2:14 PM

oh Dear….Boehner is tearing up during his speech….

CoffeeLover on January 3, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Please, no, make it stop.

WisRich on January 3, 2013 at 2:15 PM

LOL, comically stupid. If the GOP *wanted* to destroy itself, it couldn’t script this any better.

Midas on January 3, 2013 at 2:15 PM

I wasnt going to say anything until it was over, but this was the last straw for me.

Im changing my party affiliation to “independent”. The GOP is a gutless pile of losers. If one rotten apple spoils the bunch, than 95% rotten apples is a toxic waste dump.

Its time for a 3rd party folks. We cannot save America within the Republican party anymore….

The GOP is incompetent and weak…..it has no leadership and makes Obama seem smart, which is INFURIATING and unforgivable. If the GOP has real leadership, Obama would not have won a second term.

So, stick with the new “Whig” party if you want, but im done expecting it to be conservative….and win national elections.

alecj on January 3, 2013 at 2:15 PM

In a phone interview with The Daily Caller, Meyer said “more than 20” Republicans have told his group they won’t vote for Boehner during elections Thursday. American Majority Action is a conservative organization based in Virginia that is active in the tea party movement. It is run by Ned Ryun, the son of former Republican Rep. Jim Ryun of Kansas.

A Tea Party group, which rivals congress in popularity (i.e. lack there of) calls themselves American Majority Action. Promptly fails to get 20 people to agree with them. Beautiful.

lester on January 3, 2013 at 2:16 PM

Can one of these folks meeping about the results please tell me what the freaking PLAN was? You don’t take down a sitting Speaker, an Establishment-mandated Presidential Candidate, or anybody else without a mother-freaking PLAN!

Don’t give me the “people smarter than me will figure out the plan.” A good plan is obvious. You go to Point A, then you get everybody on board for Point B. You signal to waverers that there is an actual alternate plan, and would you like to hop on board. Then you go to Point C where you win.

What was the plan? Frankly, guys, there wasn’t one—just wait for Boehner to be vulnerable, embarrass him, then act like the dog who caught the car. The sense of planning and strategy displayed here is only rivaled by an empty Coke can. So don’t be surprised when p1ss-poor planning on conservatives’ part does not constitute an emergency on anyone else’s part.

Sekhmet on January 3, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Plan, we don’t need no stinkin’ plan.
- GOP

kim roy on January 3, 2013 at 2:17 PM

And yet, the eternal circle marches on. Wihine and bemoan, while everybody else marches on.

Perhaps you and others are like this because you reconginze that you have no power whatsoever. So rather than take charge with your own hands and wade into the swamp, you would preene to stay on the shoreline wharing immaculate clothing while shouting epitaths at everybody else over the state of affairs. I really despise people like you for that, willing to exist over the backs of other, just like the left-wing in this country.

eva3071 on January 3, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Sweetie, stop trying to use big words that for which you know neither the usage nor the spelling, okay? Thanks. LOL

Midas on January 3, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Burn, allow it to, etc.

RedNewEnglander on January 3, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Derp!

Derp?

peski on January 3, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 1:58 PM

Of course not. “Purist”…..the media of course is making it to be a bad thing. For some reason I feel like I’m being insulted.

tencole on January 3, 2013 at 2:19 PM

It was a 5-vote-to-be-sure/6-vote-actual margin.

Maybe-live video from American Majority Action HQ describing how far they were from forcing a second ballot.

Steve Eggleston on January 3, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Don’t give me the “people smarter than me will figure out the plan.” A good plan is obvious. You go to Point A, then you get everybody on board for Point B. You signal to waverers that there is an actual alternate plan, and would you like to hop on board. Then you go to Point C where you win.

Sekhmet on January 3, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Sorry Del, but I have to give Sekhmet an A+

The big ‘success’ of the cliff was described to utter perfection.

And the final outcome. Idiots rejoice!!!

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Of course not. “Purist”…..the media of course is making it to be a bad thing. For some reason I feel like I’m being insulted.

tencole on January 3, 2013 at 2:19 PM

When the far leftists laud you, something is awakening, alas.

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 2:22 PM

oh Dear….Boehner is tearing up during his speech….

CoffeeLover on January 3, 2013 at 2:07 PM
Maybe-live video

Steve Eggleston on January 3, 2013 at 2:13 PM

thanks….

CoffeeLover on January 3, 2013 at 2:22 PM

In a phone interview with The Daily Caller, Meyer said “more than 20” Republicans have told his group they won’t vote for Boehner during elections Thursday. American Majority Action is a conservative organization based in Virginia that is active in the tea party movement. It is run by Ned Ryun an idiot.

FIFY.

Perhaps I should use the word “criminal” rather than “idiot”. These “conservative organizations” are supported almost entirely by donations. How many people sent money to these shysters in the hope that Boehner would go bye-bye? There was never a chance of Boehner going anywhere, and Ned Ryun and Ron Meyer knew it. Scam artists, one and all.

Mr. Arkadin on January 3, 2013 at 2:23 PM

And yet, the eternal circle marches on. Wihine and bemoan, while everybody else marches on.

Perhaps you and others are like this because you recognize that you have no power whatsoever. So rather than take charge with your own hands and wade into the swamp, you would preen to stay on the shoreline wearing immaculate clothing while shouting epitaphs at everybody else over the state of affairs. I really despise people like you for that, willing to exist over the backs of other, just like the left-wing in this country.

eva3071 on January 3, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Haven’t you heard that a new definition of coward is “a hero with a family, a daytime job, and a mortgage”? That’s the monstrous advantage that Obama’s cohorts have: most of his supporters have neither, giving them the ultimate freedom to sow havoc.

Archivarix on January 3, 2013 at 2:23 PM

I don’t with wish them on you

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 2:25 PM

What was the plan?
Sekhmet on January 3, 2013 at 2:13 PM

It doesn’t matter. Chaos is preferable to the current order. Many of us are realizing this.

This is what we’re coming to anyway. Chaos is coming. The creative chaos surrounding a putsch would at least have an exigent intention toward a plan, and could not be worse than the essentially plan-less, rudderless, crisis-to-crisis haplessness of the Boehner GOP.

There is no plan or even willful consciousness based on larger political identity coming from Boehner. He is an embodiment of institutional collusion with and self-centered supplication to the “Great Beast” represented by Obama’s and the Left’s (and media’s) greater power.

No plans worth our attention are possible from these people. We stand a better chance with chaos.

rrpjr on January 3, 2013 at 2:26 PM

To paraphrase Desi Arnaz: “Republicans, you got some ‘splaining to do!”

The GOP is dead to me now. Boehner dropped the ball, refused to stand up to Obama (until it was politically convenient), and guess what? He’s re-elected by a comfortable margin.

I hope the voters NEVER forget this come the spring of 2014.

TMOverbeck on January 3, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Archivarix on January 3, 2013 at 2:23 PM

The other group are those who can affort to starve the Looters and sow havoc.

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 2:26 PM

rrpjr on January 3, 2013 at 2:26 PM

+1

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 2:27 PM

The GOP is dead to me now. Boehner dropped the ball, refused to stand up to Obama (until it was politically convenient), and guess what? He’s re-elected by a comfortable margin.

I hope the voters NEVER forget this come the spring of 2014.

TMOverbeck on January 3, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Boehner and Obama can rightfully always say “what’s your problem? we won”.

The once freest land is now the most stupid of them all. Enjoy the Flukeing by Obama and Boehner.

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Good analysis. The GOP has a bad hand right now and it will take a lot of juking and jiving and (horrors of horrors) moderation from the leadership to hold off the worst liberal impulses to come in the next four years. Too bad that a lot of the Tea Party drama queeens and Paultards on here will condemn you as an apologist for statism, a damn dirty RINO, and traitor to the Noble Cause of Conservative Purity At All Costs.

Dukeboy01 on January 3, 2013 at 2:01 PM

I would love to play you in a high stakes game of poker. Easy money.

Daemonocracy on January 3, 2013 at 2:29 PM

I hope the voters NEVER forget this come the spring of 2014.

TMOverbeck on January 3, 2013 at 2:26 PM

LOL I’ll bet less than 1% even noticed.

ElectricPhase on January 3, 2013 at 2:30 PM

I would love to play you in a high stakes game of poker. Easy money.

Daemonocracy on January 3, 2013 at 2:29 PM

…but Dukeboy01 will be the one with the big rosy glasse on :)

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Glasses

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 2:31 PM

GOP: Stuck on stupid.

R.I.P.

petefrt on January 3, 2013 at 2:31 PM

It doesn’t matter. Chaos is preferable to the current order. Many of us are realizing this.

This is what we’re coming to anyway. Chaos is coming. The creative chaos surrounding a putsch would at least have an exigent intention toward a plan, and could not be worse than the essentially plan-less, rudderless, crisis-to-crisis haplessness of the Boehner GOP.

There is no plan or even willful consciousness based on larger political identity coming from Boehner. He is an embodiment of institutional collusion with and self-centered supplication to the “Great Beast” represented by Obama’s and the Left’s (and media’s) greater power.

No plans worth our attention are possible from these people. We stand a better chance with chaos.

rrpjr on January 3, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Order, even the worst sort of order, wins over chaos every time. From every pool of Chaos, a flower blossoms, with Order in her petals. If your intention is Chaos, even that takes planning.

Sekhmet on January 3, 2013 at 2:31 PM

The other group are those who can afford to starve the Looters and sow havoc.

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Most people cannot afford skipping tax payments unless they are absolutely, quadruple sure that millions of others will do similarly. I wouldn’t mind going to jail if I felt the country needs it, but I would absolutely hate to see my family starve or suffer governmental repercussions. They are the ultimate hostages of the system.

And so the Looters’ trough will continue to get filled until we all run out of money to pay taxes with, and later until the country runs out of stuff to sell to foreigners. That’s how it’s supposed to work.

Archivarix on January 3, 2013 at 2:32 PM

alecj on January 3, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Late, but better late than going unde like a frog in lukewarm water.

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Yeah all is lost… woe to us.. we cannot do anything anymore… You cowards are not welcome in our fight to take our country back… You can stand on the side and watch the real patriots fight…

mnjg on January 3, 2013 at 2:34 PM

I really didn’t give 2 shits whether Boehner won or lost

The only remaining litmus test comes in the next 2 months:

Will the House stand up to the commies on the debt limit and sequestration?

They caved on the middle class Bush tax hikes to defang the libs– now are they willing to shut it all down and call the Dims’ bluff?

They took away all of the Dims’ leverage, time to grow a pair and punch back hard

They have one chance to redeem themselves over spending this spring

Otherwise we can all look forward to Speaker Pelosi in 2014, given the tantrums here and across the internets. Some people forget how Godawful those 4 years were…

thurman on January 3, 2013 at 2:35 PM

I would love to play you in a high stakes game of poker. Easy money.

Daemonocracy on January 3, 2013 at 2:29 PM

WOW… such a smart guy you are… Go and tell your wife that you have been glorifed and praised on the internet for how smart you are…

mnjg on January 3, 2013 at 2:35 PM

RWM, too bad you couldn’t run for president.

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 1:58 PM

Thanks, but then I would have to hate myself. :-)

Resist We Much on January 3, 2013 at 2:35 PM

Pic of the Day: Obama’s War on Women Continues

Resist We Much on January 3, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Michelle did. It’s an African table. Get with the zoo.

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Thanks, but then I would have to hate myself. :-)

Resist We Much on January 3, 2013 at 2:35 PM

True, but the land needs someone with a pair.

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 2:36 PM

The GOP is dead to me now. Boehner dropped the ball, refused to stand up to Obama (until it was politically convenient), and guess what? He’s re-elected by a comfortable margin.

I hope the voters NEVER forget this come the spring of 2014.

TMOverbeck on January 3, 2013 at 2:26 PM

May be you can tell us your plan on how it would have done differently regarding the taxes… We are all ears… Ladies and Gentlemen let us wait for Mr. TMOverbeck to enlighten us with his wisedom on how he could have done a better job regarding the tax issue…

mnjg on January 3, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Yeah all is lost… woe to us.. we cannot do anything anymore… You cowards are not welcome in our fight to take our country back… You can stand on the side and watch the real patriots fight…

mnjg on January 3, 2013 at 2:34 PM

How obtuse and blind you are. I would feel sorry for you but I really, really don’t suffer fools lightly.

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 2:37 PM

So is it more appropriate to hate the liberals who are bent on destroying the country, or those “on our side” who are at best spineless cowards and at worst are complicit in the treachery?

I’m honestly not sure if I hate one group more than the other at this point.

Midas on January 3, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Mark Levin himself made a point in Liberty and Tyranny that anarchism leads to tyranny, because in the chaos *someone* will seize power, and that someone is usually a ruthless tyrant. If you want chaos, you have to plan for it, and plan how to keep the b@$tards from using it for their purposes.

When you go on without a plan for chaos, order wins every time. And even sometimes when you are successful at chaos.

Sekhmet on January 3, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Archivarix on January 3, 2013 at 2:32 PM

See RWM – she does an excellent job starving the Utopian beast. You speak only from a limited perspective, btw.

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 2:39 PM

How obtuse and blind you are. I would feel sorry for you but I really, really don’t suffer fools lightly.

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 2:37 PM

I am not obtuse nor blind but you are the fool… Tell us your plan on how would you have dealt with the tax issue differently… Let us hear your wisedom on the matter…

mnjg on January 3, 2013 at 2:39 PM

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 2:22 PM

What ever happened to “if the left is criticizing you, you know you’re doing the right thing.”

tencole on January 3, 2013 at 2:40 PM

GOP: Stuck on stupid.

R.I.P.

petefrt on January 3, 2013 at 2:31 PM

And thus spoke an anonymous nobody on the internet called petefrt…

mnjg on January 3, 2013 at 2:41 PM

What ever happened to “if the left is criticizing you, you know you’re doing the right thing.”

tencole on January 3, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Just look around here – you’re called a “coward” :)

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 2:41 PM

So is it more appropriate to hate the liberals who are bent on destroying the country, or those “on our side” who are at best spineless cowards and at worst are complicit in the treachery?

I’m honestly not sure if I hate one group more than the other at this point.

Midas on January 3, 2013 at 2:38 PM

The leftists and Indonesians are low-life scum who destroy everything they touch – because they are nihilist stooges and self-hating idiots.

But, the Vichy Right are more pathetic in how they aid and abet the destruction of the left.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 3, 2013 at 2:41 PM

And thus spoke an anonymous nobody on the internet called petefrt…

mnjg on January 3, 2013 at 2:41 PM

And thus replied an anonymous somebody on the internet, called mnjg.

Irony is indignant.

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 2:42 PM

I am not obtuse nor blind

mnjg on January 3, 2013 at 2:39 PM

LOL.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 3, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Yeah all is lost… woe to us.. we cannot do anything anymore… You cowards are not welcome in our fight to take our country back… You can stand on the side and watch the real patriots fight…

mnjg on January 3, 2013 at 2:34 PM

*checks the news for evidence that “the real patriots” have begun to “fight”*

Midas on January 3, 2013 at 2:42 PM

I’m honestly not sure if I hate one group more than the other at this point.

Midas on January 3, 2013 at 2:38 PM

That’s exactly how I felt during the last election. I didn’t know who I hated more…..Mitt/GOPe/Rove or Obama and his thugs….I still don’t know.

tencole on January 3, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Boehner has two obejectives: cutting government spending and keeping public support. If the public rebels against his what Boehner is doing, we are lost. We can only cut government spending with public support. I am glad that Boehner is working strategically, and not following the puerile approach that many people here would prefer.

Boehner 2016!

thuja on January 3, 2013 at 2:44 PM

…S L U T S…!!!

KOOLAID2 on January 3, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Just look around here – you’re called a “coward” :)

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 2:41 PM

I think I’ll stick to “Purist”. ;)

tencole on January 3, 2013 at 2:44 PM

So is it more appropriate to hate the liberals who are bent on destroying the country, or those “on our side” who are at best spineless cowards and at worst are complicit in the treachery?

I’m honestly not sure if I hate one group more than the other at this point.

Midas on January 3, 2013 at 2:38 PM

I hate our side more. Pelosi and Reid are thugs with convictions. Obama is an idealistic destroyer of America. He does exactly what he set out to do.

Boehner and McConnell, and their suckers, are pretending harlots, selling their souls and their land, standing neither for principles nor for what they promised to fight for, aiding in the land’s destruction. The youth should admire Pelosi more.

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 2:44 PM

thuja on January 3, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Thanks for the laugh of the day :)

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Boehner 2016!

thuja on January 3, 2013 at 2:44 PM

*groan*
There’s much work to be done.

tencole on January 3, 2013 at 2:46 PM

mnjg on January 3, 2013 at 2:39 PM

Obama also claims to be very smart. Enjoy, blind and obtuse one.

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Boehner 2016!

thuja on January 3, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Comic relief. Thanks.

rrpjr on January 3, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Hey, guess what?
There’s no reason for any of us to ever vote again.
Glad I got that out of my system.

Belle on January 3, 2013 at 2:49 PM

The leftists and Indonesians are low-life scum who destroy everything they touch – because they are nihilist stooges and self-hating idiots.

But, the Vichy Right are more pathetic in how they aid and abet the destruction of the left.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 3, 2013 at 2:41 PM

The dems are worse that the Reps

VegasRick on January 3, 2013 at 2:50 PM

Belle on January 3, 2013 at 2:49 PM

It doesn’t matter any way. You can just mark “present” or “abstain” like some do in DC. The R/Ds are the same any more. Just explain it to your kids.

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 2:51 PM

A “Must Read” from the Hot Air Headlines section today….The Culture War is Over by Matt Lewis

After reading his article, I suddenly became composed and relaxed. Haven’t felt this good since the election in Nov. ’12. Matt puts it all in perspective and faces the stark reality that conservatism doesn’t matter at this point in time. Liberals have won the culture war for now and will remain at the helm for some time to come.

At my age, I was hoping that the course of the country would turn around before my time is up, but that seems very unlikely now. So, resigned that I am, I will begin to relax, take things as they come, and enjoy what time I have left. Reality dictates that promoting conservative values and principles on the majority of the country just isn’t going to work.

The only solace in the big picture is knowing that the coming years of liberal rule will eventually turn on itself and conservatism will someday make a comeback. That will only happen long after I am gone.

metroryder on January 3, 2013 at 2:51 PM

The dems are worse that the Reps

VegasRick on January 3, 2013 at 2:50 PM

The left is worse but the Vichy Right is more pathetic.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 3, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Better the weasel influencing politics than the jackwagon sitting on his tush throwing tantrum like a small child.

eva3071 on January 3, 2013 at 2:03 PM
…………………………………………………….
You get it. Too many here don’t.
It’s easy to sit back and fire away when you don’t get your way.It’s lot harder to actually participate.
Also one of the reasons the dem/rats keep winning is becasue they unite and vote together no matter what the issue.
We need to learn from the stupidest party ever.
It’s really not rocket science.

rodguy911 on January 3, 2013 at 2:52 PM

We need to learn from the stupidest party ever.
It’s really not rocket science.

rodguy911 on January 3, 2013 at 2:52 PM

You need a non-Romney, to lead and unite the followers…also, convince them why they should vote for you, not against a dummy narcissistic pretender.

Schadenfreude on January 3, 2013 at 2:54 PM

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