Quotes of the day

posted at 10:31 pm on January 2, 2013 by Allahpundit

It’s the deficit-reduction package that doesn’t reduce the deficit. It’s the debt-ceiling deal that doesn’t touch the debt ceiling (and doesn’t cut debt). It’s the long-term entitlement negotiation that—after nearly three years of wheedling—does not delay, let alone stave off, a Baby Boomer retirement bomb currently on pace to swallow half of federal outlays by 2030.

Say this for the fiscal cliff-avoidance bill that passed on New Year’s Day—it is a near-perfect expression of Washington’s grotesque devolution since Bill Clinton left office. Not only have a succession of Republican and Democratic presidents and congresses combined to jack up spending from $1.8 trillion in Clinton’s last year (a bit more than $2.3 trillion in today’s dollars) to a baseline level of $3.6 trillion and above, but the process for arriving at these hideous figures has degenerated into a series of endless, man-made, deadline negotiations in lieu of actual budgeting…

It’s hard to remember now, but one of the president’s biggest and most effective selling propositions in 2008 was that he and the world-weary Democratic majority would finally bring some adult supervision to a Republican-led budgetary process that took to heart then-Vice President Dick Cheney’s maxim that “deficits don’t matter.” “We will maintain fiscal responsibility, so that we do not mortgage our children’s future on a mountain of debt,” the 2008 Democratic Party Platform promised. The president’s first budget was actually titled A New Era of Fiscal Responsibility.

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“If this is how we end the 112th Congress, it will disappoint every member of the class,” said freshman Rep. Tim Huelskamp, R-Kan., as he munched on Cheetos and walking alone after a GOP conference meeting on Tuesday. “This is exactly what we came to change, problems like this.… We came here to make big bold changes, and at the end of the day, for whatever reason, we frittered away most of the energy that sent us to here in 2010.”…

“It’s going to be awful,” Rep. Dennis Ross, R-Fla., said about coming to grips with the reality that the GOP couldn’t stop the tax increases. “There’s no easy way out of this, no pleasant way out of this, but how else are we going to learn from our mistakes? One of our mistakes was entering into sequestration. We gave a $1.2 trillion debt-ceiling increase for $1.2 trillion in cuts, and we aren’t even getting those cuts.”

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The worst part of the fiscal cliff deal isn’t the specifics — though they do stink. It’s being reminded again how utterly detached Washington is from reality.

The question, now that we’ve finally hiked taxes on the rich (and doesn’t everyone feel better knowing that life is that much fairer?), is: How are we going to continue paying for the government we’ve been promised? As it turns out, raising tax rates on the “wealthy,” the most pressing issue of the Obama Age, amounts to a mere $62 billion of new revenue a year…

How can we expect any useful policy to emerge from manufactured crisis, anyway? Nearly every decision made during Obama’s presidency has been conducted under the canopy of catastrophe. The result is hastily assembled legislation that is larded up with goodies. It’s no accident.

And a newly elected Congress will be immediately submerged into another round of “negotiations,” this time centered on the debt ceiling (which we’ve already hit). Failure to surrender to the president’s demands allows the media to portray Republicans as the ones pushing the nation into default/over cliffs/etc. Low-information voters will soon be informed by Democrats that the debt ceiling, rather than debt, is the villain.

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Unfortunately, Obama has been playing a waiting game on fiscal issues ever since he became president. He didn’t formulate a plan for long-term solvency partly because he didn’t want to give up the political weapon of Social Security before the 2012 election; he didn’t fully embrace the Simpson-Bowles deficit-reduction plan for the same reason. “Too early,” said his aides. He didn’t talk honestly about the deficit problem during the campaign, either. And although Obama finally offered in last month’s discussions with Boehner to revise the cost-of-living adjustment to Social Security, he retreated after the Plan B debacle.

Let’s assume it was tactically smart for Obama to play politics with the deficit issue through the campaign. Having won, Obama should quickly have taken the high ground and urged the fiscal reforms that every thoughtful member of his team knows are necessary. Instead, he chose the small-bore approach of continuing to focus almost entirely on his campaign pledge that tax rates had to go up for the wealthiest Americans. Okay, he got that. Now what?

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The president did sign a bill yesterday that prevented one middle-class tax hike — the expiration of the Bush tax cuts for 98 percent of Americans — but he makes no mention of the fact that he did absolutely nothing to block the expiration of the payroll-tax holiday, a tax increase on almost 100 percent of Americans (excepting the small number of state- and local-government employees who are enrolled in a different retirement system). And while it doesn’t amount to $2,000 an American, the mean tax increase for the 77 percent of Americans whose overall taxes will be higher than they were in 2012 isn’t far off, adding up to $1,635. Eighty-one percent of the middle quintile of Americans will see their total tax bills rise.

At no point, even when his administration laid out a risible set of demands, everything they wanted from Congress, did the president try to extend the payroll-tax cut. From the very beginning, he knew he was going to sign a policy that would let a tax increase occur for almost all Americans, and today, celebrating having made “the rich pay their fair share,” he simply pretends otherwise. I (and the editors of National Review) happen to agree with the president that “the last thing middle-class families could afford now would be to pay upwards of $2,000 more in taxes this year” — it’s too bad he’s letting almost exactly that happen.

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1. Does Obama and the Democrats’ extension of the Bush income tax rates for 99 percent of taxpayers represent an upper limit on federal revenue? We live in an era of trillion-dollar deficits and hollow insistence that spending isn’t the problem (indeed, barely a day can go by without Paul Krugman or someone like him bleating that the real problem is government spends too little). Now that Obama has ratified a revenue plan, is that the upper limit of income we can reasonably expect the feds to live within? If the GOP can’t make that case, they are even sadder than they look.

2. Will spending finally be a front-burner issue? There is no reason to think that stimulus – or massive government-spending more generally – works to “jump-start” an economy. Indeed, there are many reasons to acknowledge that the opposite is more likely to be true. Now is exactly the moment to be discussing serious year-over-year cuts in spending. Obama is still pushing the line that he believes in a “balanced approach” to budgeting. Late last year, he defined that as $2.50 in spending cuts for every $1 in new tax revenue. While that ratio is certainly too small (Canada reduced its debt-to-GDP ratio and goosed its economy in the 1990s by cutting $6-$7 for every $1 in revenue), it represents a starting bid in a process that could lead to a smaller government and a bigger economy. If Republicans insist that defense spending not be cut (they’ve flipped out over minor trims to a year or two of defense reductions), they have already lost not just this battle but every fight they’ll be in until they disband as a party. Nor is it any good to say that all cuts will come from poverty programs (however ineffective, inefficient, and counterproductive some of them may be) or from entitlement spending circa 2020 or later.

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Deficit spending once was largely for investments — building infrastructure, winning wars — which benefited future generations, so government borrowing appropriately shared the burden with those generations. Now, however, continuous borrowing burdens future generations in order to finance current consumption. Today’s policy, says DeMuth, erases “the distinction between investing for the future and borrowing from the future.”…

This state cannot be funded by taxing “the rich.” Or even by higher income taxes on the middle class. Income taxes cannot fund the government liberals want, and they dare not seek the consumption and energy taxes their entitlement architecture requires. Hence, although Republicans are complicit, Democrats are ardent in embracing decadent democracy. This consists not just of infantilism — refusing to will the means for the ends one has willed — but also of willing an immoral means: conscripting the wealth of future generations.

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American government has achieved many fine things over the last 60 years or so. It won a world war, reordered the global system, put a man on the moon, and created the Internet. But it has also continued to grow like a giant tumor, especially since World War II. A 2006 study by the Federal Reserve of St. Louis showed only small growth from 1792 until World War II (with a spike during WWI), but then a relentless steady rise since a brief fall-off in war spending in the late 1940s. By 2004, the federal government was spending $7,100 per capita, nearly 55 times more than was spent per capita in the 1910s, the Fed said.

This has had paralyzing effects. The late University of Maryland economist Mancur Olson once described how the accumulation of vested interest groups and bureaucracies in free societies causes a kind of sclerosis. Over decades the system becomes harder to reform; new ideas and a new consensus have more difficulty gaining a foothold. We saw this phenomenon unfold in both the areas of financial reform after the 2008 subprime mortgage disaster and in national security after 9/11. In both cases, the U.S. government probably responded less nimbly now than it did in previous eras because of the accumulation of vested-interest groups…

Sorry, but I think the drama is far from over. The rebellion against the size of government is a true populist movement, and it’s not going away. The debt limit is still the biggest card the tea party has. They’re going to use it.

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Now, the real test is coming for Republicans. For too long they have pretended that they were the party of small government simply based on their unwillingness to raise tax rates. Unfortunately, they have failed to recognize that as a lawmaker you won’t qualify as a small-government advocate if you increase spending like a drunken sailor, vote for, sugar tariffs, farm subsidies, SBA loans, Export-Import Bank reauthorization, and refuse any reduction in defense spending at the end of two wars. Big government and low tax rates are an unsustainable combination that seems to always lead to bad policy outcomes.

In fact, as Milton Friedman reminded us, the long-term cost of government is better measured by spending rather than current tax rates. So with the tax issue out of the way, we will see if they are willing to fight for smaller government, and hence for spending restraints. The good news is that we won’t have long to wait. We will see if they fight to avoid sequestration or if they are willing to go forward with the reduction of spending growth that it would impose. We will see if they are willing to demand some true and credible entitlement reform in exchange for raising the debt ceiling, or better yet, for extending the CR to avoid a government shutdown.

So let the spending cuts begin!

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President Obama cut a video, distributed by his reelection, to reiterate his belief that the wealthiest Americans still aren’t paying their “fair share” of taxes and to outline a second-term agenda ranging from environmental policy to gun control…

“Obviously, there is still more to do when it comes to reducing our debt,” Obama said in the video. “And I’m willing to do more, as long as we do it in a balanced way that doesnt put all the burden on seniors or students or middle class burdens but also asks the wealthiest Americans to contribute and pay their fair share.”

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Evening all.

A trippy little tune for the night crew.

4Grace on January 3, 2013 at 2:15 AM

This was a crazy thread. Scrumpy was here and Axe p2wned me.

Drats Foiled again.

SparkPlug on January 3, 2013 at 2:21 AM

Yes, I have tea at bedtime. Some of us don’t have old and cranky bladders.

Lourdes on January 3, 2013 at 2:17 AM

Hey!!! Let’s not go alienating those of us um…people with cranky bladders.

Tim_CA on January 3, 2013 at 2:20 AM

Then don’t go alienating those of who like tea at bedtime. There are exercises readily available for those with cranky bladders but nothing beats a hot cuppa SleepyTime before bed.

Or Country Music, for that matter. :)

Lourdes on January 3, 2013 at 2:21 AM

Good evening..:)

PS..I consider this trippy..:)

Dire Straits on January 3, 2013 at 2:17 AM

Hello, friend! Yes, I would definitely place that in the Trippy Camp, also. :)

(Or is that the Tripping Camp?)

4Grace on January 3, 2013 at 2:22 AM

SWalker on January 3, 2013 at 2:03 AM

Evening, SW. I pray you get good news.

4Grace on January 3, 2013 at 2:19 AM

me too.

SparkPlug on January 3, 2013 at 2:22 AM

Before bed? … Wow … be sure not to drown in your own teapee.

listens2glenn on January 3, 2013 at 2:07 AM

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That’s really a gross thing to write.

Yes, I have tea at bedtime. Some of us don’t have old and cranky bladders.

Lourdes on January 3, 2013 at 2:17 AM

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Apologies. That is a line from an indian (native American) joke, and I thought it would fit there.

listens2glenn on January 3, 2013 at 2:22 AM

This was a crazy thread. Scrumpy was here and Axe p2wned me.

Drats Foiled again.

SparkPlug on January 3, 2013 at 2:21 AM

Hiya, Spark! I read most of the comments. Scrumpy was in high form tonight. She cracked me up.

4Grace on January 3, 2013 at 2:25 AM

NIGHT SHIFT, the Commodores.

Lourdes on January 3, 2013 at 2:25 AM

Lourdes on January 3, 2013 at 2:17 AM

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Apologies. That is a line from an indian (native American) joke, and I thought it would fit there.

listens2glenn on January 3, 2013 at 2:22 AM

O.K., everything’s cool, I didn’t understand the reference (not that I could…).

Copacetic.

Lourdes on January 3, 2013 at 2:28 AM

It felt like it went well, but I won’t know until Friday.

SWalker on January 3, 2013 at 2:03 AM

I am hoping and praying for the best for you..:)

Dire Straits on January 3, 2013 at 2:28 AM

4Grace on January 3, 2013 at 2:22 AM

Back in the days of a misspent youth it was a tripping camp..:)

Dire Straits on January 3, 2013 at 2:31 AM

Always liked this one. LetItBurn? lol

4Grace on January 3, 2013 at 2:32 AM

O.K., everything’s cool, I didn’t understand the reference (not that I could…).

Copacetic.

Lourdes on January 3, 2013 at 2:28 AM

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: )
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The original went approximately as follows:

Brave who drinks too much tea before bedtime risks drowning in his own teapee.

listens2glenn on January 3, 2013 at 2:32 AM

Brave who drinks too much tea before bedtime risks drowning in his own teapee.
listens2glenn on January 3, 2013 at 2:32 AM

I’m drinking beer here….and now you’ve activated my old and cranky bladder.

brb.

Tim_CA on January 3, 2013 at 2:35 AM

Back in the days of a misspent youth it was a tripping camp..:)

Dire Straits on January 3, 2013 at 2:31 AM

Haha, I hear you. Most of my Tripping Camps were hosted by Pink Floyd (Animals album) and Nugent. Lolz

4Grace on January 3, 2013 at 2:36 AM

Always liked this one. LetItBurn? lol

4Grace on January 3, 2013 at 2:32 AM

Guy in that band was a necrophiliac and a child molester. My vote is not to pay any more attention to him AND his music.

Lourdes on January 3, 2013 at 2:38 AM

Axe p2wned me.

SparkPlug on January 3, 2013 at 2:21 AM

I was really just trying to be sure you got your props for introducing pistol shrimp into the HA consciousness, you know. :) Seems like a guy should get credit where credit’s do.

I don’t think everyone believed me, but — you can lead people to water, but you can’t make them bathe.

Might could hose them . . .

Axe on January 3, 2013 at 2:38 AM

4Grace on January 3, 2013 at 2:36 AM

Very good one..Also don’t forget this one..:)

Dire Straits on January 3, 2013 at 2:40 AM

now you’ve activated my old and cranky bladder.

brb.

Tim_CA on January 3, 2013 at 2:35 AM

Alcohol is a muscle relaxant. Think about it. That means there’s less control over the muscles that affect the bladder.

For added effect to others, caffeine is a diuretic. That means, it makes your kidneys function “faster”.

Lourdes on January 3, 2013 at 2:40 AM

Lourdes on January 3, 2013 at 2:38 AM

Since I select songs I enjoy, then you can simply choose not to click on any of my musical links. K?

4Grace on January 3, 2013 at 2:42 AM

listens2glenn on January 3, 2013 at 2:32 AM

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I’m drinking beer here….and now you’ve activated my old and cranky bladder.

brb.

Tim_CA on January 3, 2013 at 2:35 AM

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Sorry. Try not to think about things like water balloons, fire hoses, Niagra Falls, etc.
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I’m being sort of “motivated” to leave this computer chair, and follow my honey towards the bedroom . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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. . . . . . . . . . . . and that’s as much detail as I’m divulging. HAH !

listens2glenn on January 3, 2013 at 2:43 AM

Might could hose them . . .

Axe on January 3, 2013 at 2:38 AM

Hose them?!!?..Are you serious??!!!??..:)

Dire Straits on January 3, 2013 at 2:45 AM

Yes, our first ancestors, our Adams and our Eves, were, if not gorillas, very near relatives of gorillas, omnivorous, intelligent and ferocious beasts, endowed in a higher degree than the animals of another species with two precious faculties — the power to think and the desire to rebel.

*sigh*

This is the kind of crap you wade through with anarchy. Setting aside the childish, gleeful atheism hinted at here and expounded upon with much greater, more painful verve later on — what is the rational basis for believing that man has as part of his core a desire to rebel?

I might not have patience for this.

Axe on January 3, 2013 at 2:46 AM

Very good one..Also don’t forget this one..:)

Dire Straits on January 3, 2013 at 2:40 AM

Absolutely! That whole album was golden.

4Grace on January 3, 2013 at 2:47 AM

Hose them?!!?..Are you serious??!!!??..:)

Dire Straits on January 3, 2013 at 2:45 AM

Ha! I knew it before I clicked it. But you’ve fooled me before. :)

Axe on January 3, 2013 at 2:48 AM

Alcohol is a muscle relaxant. Think about it. That means there’s less control over the muscles that affect the bladder.

Lourdes on January 3, 2013 at 2:40 AM

Sorry. Try not to think about things like water balloons, fire hoses, Niagra Falls, etc.

listens2glenn on January 3, 2013 at 2:43 AM

yeah thanks please don’t help anymore….lol.

Tim_CA on January 3, 2013 at 2:49 AM

Lourdes on January 3, 2013 at 2:38 AM

Since I select songs I enjoy, then you can simply choose not to click on any of my musical links. K?

4Grace on January 3, 2013 at 2:42 AM

When you don’t post the title or the artist, at least, then accessing the link is usually the quickest way to see what the point of the link is…

I didn’t listen to your song past seeing the necrophiliac on screen singing about “your face underneath my pillow.”

The guy was a child molester. I think that makes his “music” and his lyrics disgusting.

Lourdes on January 3, 2013 at 2:54 AM

Totally off topic…

I saw the new Les Miz movie today. Thoroughly enjoyed it!

4Grace on January 3, 2013 at 2:54 AM

Absolutely! That whole album was golden.

4Grace on January 3, 2013 at 2:47 AM

I wore out a cassette where you could not read the writing on it..:)

Dire Straits on January 3, 2013 at 2:56 AM

4Grace on January 3, 2013 at 2:54 AM

My cousin and sister are going to see it..:)

PS..Isn’t it a very sad movie/musical?..:)

Dire Straits on January 3, 2013 at 2:57 AM

Lourdes on January 3, 2013 at 2:54 AM

*sigh* Lourdes, I try my best to just skip most of your posts. I will now try harder.

4Grace on January 3, 2013 at 2:58 AM

4Grace on January 3, 2013 at 2:54 AM

Big New Year or just a laid back one??..:)

Dire Straits on January 3, 2013 at 2:58 AM

My cousin and sister are going to see it..:)

PS..Isn’t it a very sad movie/musical?..:)

Dire Straits on January 3, 2013 at 2:57 AM

As with most shows, it depends on your taste. Yes, it is a musical. There are very few “spoken” words in the movie. There are also some very sad and gut-wrenching scenes. However, there are also some incredibly beautiful and uplifting scenes/storylines.

The performances were very good. I was particularly touched by Anne Hathaway’s performance.

But again, it is definitely not to everyone’s taste. :)

4Grace on January 3, 2013 at 3:04 AM

Big New Year or just a laid back one??..:)

Dire Straits on January 3, 2013 at 2:58 AM

Pretty laid back, but very enjoyable. Fixed “fun” foods for the kid and me, watched a movie together, then watched the ball drop at midnight. It was a nice evening.

How about your house?

4Grace on January 3, 2013 at 3:07 AM

4Grace on January 3, 2013 at 3:04 AM

I heard Anne Hathaway was very good..Oscar good..:)

Dire Straits on January 3, 2013 at 3:07 AM

I heard Anne Hathaway was very good..Oscar good..:)

Dire Straits on January 3, 2013 at 3:07 AM

I would agree with that. She gave a very powerful and lasting performance. What makes it all the more impressive, is her screen time. She is only on screen for less than half the movie.

4Grace on January 3, 2013 at 3:13 AM

Early alarm in a few hours.

Goodnight, Dire. Always a pleasure. :)

Goodnight, H/A.

4Grace on January 3, 2013 at 3:19 AM

4Grace on January 3, 2013 at 3:04 AM

I agree..You make a very good point..:)

PS..I thought Cast Away (Tom Hanks) was one of the best acting jobs I have ever seen..Anyone who can act emitions with a volleyball is one the best..imho..:)

Dire Straits on January 3, 2013 at 3:19 AM

4Grace on January 3, 2013 at 3:07 AM

You hit it on the head..Very laid back..:)

Dire Straits on January 3, 2013 at 3:20 AM

4Grace on January 3, 2013 at 3:19 AM

Enjoyed it as always..:)

Dire Straits on January 3, 2013 at 3:21 AM

4Grace on January 3, 2013 at 3:04 AM

I agree..You make a very good point..:)

PS..I thought Cast Away (Tom Hanks) was one of the best acting jobs I have ever seen..Anyone who can act emotions with a volleyball is one the best..imho..:)

Dire Straits on January 3, 2013 at 3:19 AM

Sorry..Fixed..:)

Dire Straits on January 3, 2013 at 3:29 AM

Axe on January 3, 2013 at 2:38 AM

I know, you really didn’t p3wn me.

Now I’m the famous Pistol Shimper.

Your link to that costume was epic.

Lolz.

SparkPlug on January 3, 2013 at 3:48 AM

Shrimper.

SWalker should p3wn Axe just for fun.

SparkPlug on January 3, 2013 at 3:52 AM

PS..I thought Cast Away (Tom Hanks) was one of the best acting jobs I have ever seen..Anyone who can act emitions with a volleyball is one the best..imho..:)

Dire Straits on January 3, 2013 at 3:19 AM

Volley Ball? Try dealing with a fickle Magic 8 Ball sometime. It ain’t easy.

SparkPlug on January 3, 2013 at 3:53 AM

SWalker should p3wn Axe just for fun.

SparkPlug on January 3, 2013 at 3:52 AM

h8r

Axe on January 3, 2013 at 4:06 AM

My God. Anyone could write this crap. I could found a school of philosophy over an inspired weekend and people would be arguing about it two hundred years later. I could found a cult. People. Believe. Anything.

And the noise isn’t just harmful in that it’s a buffet of lies to choose from according to taste. It’s also busy-ness and cover that allows someone who would otherwise have to turn and face themselves — which is a painful and difficult act — to never accept the truth at all.

. . . Refuse to quote Satanic screed masquerading as philosophy (lover of wisdom my shapely athletic ass). Refuse to link. Refuse all further acknowledgement at this time.

*huffing off 2nd time tonight*

Axe on January 3, 2013 at 5:25 AM

Mr. I Won via video

what arrogance…

cmsinaz on January 3, 2013 at 5:42 AM

the wealthiest Americans still aren’t paying their “fair share” of taxes

it’ll never be enough for these idiots….

tell them to pound sand for cripe sakes

cmsinaz on January 3, 2013 at 5:44 AM

Mr. I Won via video

what arrogance…

cmsinaz on January 3, 2013 at 5:42 AM

Morning cmsinaz. :)

It could be worse. His progenitors were worse. Just don’t study proto Marxism or Anarcho-socialism. Blech.

(Don’t know how you can do the morning Joe so much :).

Axe on January 3, 2013 at 5:56 AM

Axe on January 3, 2013 at 5:56 AM

morning :)

just watching sporadically….SSDD

cmsinaz on January 3, 2013 at 6:05 AM

finally out of the tyvek for the night. ah good to be back at work. 8D

tom daschle concerned on January 3, 2013 at 6:30 AM

Morning cmsinaz. :)

It could be worse. His progenitors were worse. Just don’t study proto Marxism or Anarcho-socialism. Blech.

(Don’t know how you can do the morning Joe so much :).

Axe on January 3, 2013 at 5:56 AM

Fortunately, we here at HA have Dante to authoritatively teach us about all of the wonders of anarcho-capitalism, saving us the trouble of having to study it for ourselves!

Anti-Control on January 3, 2013 at 6:38 AM

O/T: Here some info on the history of the Crier of the House. My take.

kingsjester on January 3, 2013 at 6:47 AM

Anti-Control on January 3, 2013 at 6:38 AM

Yeah…if you want to go around in circles, rhetorically, for a couple of hours.:)

kingsjester on January 3, 2013 at 6:52 AM

kingsjester on January 3, 2013 at 6:47 AM

morning KJ

we need the man of steel

cmsinaz on January 3, 2013 at 6:55 AM

cmsinaz on January 3, 2013 at 6:55 AM

We need a Conservative.:)

kingsjester on January 3, 2013 at 7:07 AM

kingsjester on January 3, 2013 at 7:07 AM

yup

cmsinaz on January 3, 2013 at 7:11 AM

kingsjester on January 3, 2013 at 7:07 AM

the pendulum has to swing at some point. maybe boehner gets kicked out today and the revolution begins.

morning cmsinaz!

renalin on January 3, 2013 at 7:18 AM

Yeah…if you want to go around in circles, rhetorically, for a couple of hours.:)

kingsjester on January 3, 2013 at 6:52 AM

lol

I think Dante went to Tripping Camp with Dire Straits and 4Grace, but never ended up leaving!

I have never been interested enough to seriously investigate because I realize they’re crazy, but it would be humorous to know how goofy anarchist-hippies like Dante, who live only in their own heads, propose to deal with real-world frauds and dangers like quack doctors and other assorted scam artists, or how they figure zoning laws, property administration, and road construction/maintenance should be properly handled without the involvement of “evil” government.

Anti-Control on January 3, 2013 at 7:21 AM

“balanced approach”…….COMMUNISM folks.

No wonder they love the Chinese model of governance so much. They all wish they were Mao.

And at the rate we’re going the gop will help them and Americans will be supportive of the re-education camps.

PappyD61 on January 3, 2013 at 7:27 AM

Does this resemble any present President of the US? :)

10 signs for spotting a sociopath

#1) Sociopaths are charming. Sociopaths have high charisma and tend to attract a following just because people want to be around them. They have a “glow” about them that attracts people who typically seek guidance or direction. They often appear to be sexy or have a strong sexual attraction. Not all sexy people are sociopaths, obviously, but watch out for over-the-top sexual appetites and weird fetishes.

#2) Sociopaths are more spontaneous and intense than other people. They tend to do bizarre, sometimes erratic things that most regular people wouldn’t do. They are unbound by normal social contracts. Their behavior often seems irrational or extremely risky.

#3) Sociopaths are incapable of feeling shame, guilt or remorse. Their brains simply lack the circuitry to process such emotions. This allows them to betray people, threaten people or harm people without giving it a second thought. They pursue any action that serves their own self interest even if it seriously harms others. This is why you will find many very “successful” sociopaths in high levels of government, in any nation.

#4) Sociopaths invent outrageous lies about their experiences. They wildly exaggerate things to the point of absurdity, but when they describe it to you in a storytelling format, for some reason it sounds believable at the time.

#5) Sociopaths seek to dominate others and “win” at all costs. They hate to lose any argument or fight and will viciously defend their web of lies, even to the point of logical absurdity.

#6) Sociopaths tend to be highly intelligent, but they use their brainpower to deceive others rather than empower them. Their high IQs often makes them dangerous. This is why many of the best-known serial killers who successfully evaded law enforcement were sociopaths.

#7) Sociopaths are incapable of love and are entirely self-serving. They may feign love or compassion in order to get what they want, but they don’t actually FEEL love in the way that you or I do.

#8) Sociopaths speak poetically. They are master wordsmiths, able to deliver a running “stream of consciousness” monologue that is both intriguing and hypnotic. They are expert storytellers and even poets. As a great example of this in action, watch this interview of Charles Manson on YouTube.

#9) Sociopaths never apologize. They are never wrong. They never feel guilt. They can never apologize. Even if shown proof that they were wrong, they will refuse to apologize and instead go on the attack.

#10) Sociopaths are delusional and literally believe that what they say becomes truth merely because they say it! Charles Manson, the sociopathic murderer, is famous for saying, “I’ve never killed anyone! I don’t need to kill anyone! I THINK it! I have it HERE! (Pointing to his temple.) I don’t need to live in this physical realm…”

Anti-Control on January 3, 2013 at 7:35 AM

Morning Renalin
:)

cmsinaz on January 3, 2013 at 7:37 AM

Fortunately, we here at HA have Dante to authoritatively teach us about all of the wonders of anarcho-capitalism, saving us the trouble of having to study it for ourselves!

Anti-Control on January 3, 2013 at 6:38 AM

Anti-Control on January 3, 2013 at 7:21 AM

It was watching Resist chasing Dante around the tree yesterday that done me. I would have been OK, but I was already half into it because of The Brothers Karamazov and some other things Resist had reminded me of. I’m putting together a couple arguments that actually require work. It’s going to take a while. I haven’t been here in Russian-beard land for a long time, and I haven’t had to think this hard in a while. I think I got lazy. :) Been phoning it in.

I swear that girl is exhausting to me and almost certainly a bad influence. RWM, not Dante. :)

Anarchism becomes anarcho-capitalism later, but it starts out as an argument with Marx.

The whole thing is orange and looks like burnt sticks in my mind for some reason — I don’t know or want to know why. :)

Something you said:

it would be humorous to know how [they] propose to deal with real-world frauds and dangers like [this and that].

. . . struck me at some point last night that one thing I’ve never seen is a social walk through, a day-in-the-life of such a society. Could use such a storyboard at some point here. :)

Axe on January 3, 2013 at 7:39 AM

#4) Sociopaths invent outrageous lies about their experiences. They wildly exaggerate things to the point of absurdity, but when they describe it to you in a storytelling format, for some reason it sounds believable at the time.

Anti-Control on January 3, 2013 at 7:35 AM

lol — I wonder if they ever served in Vietnam.

Nah.

Axe on January 3, 2013 at 7:52 AM

Fortunately, we here at HA have Dante to authoritatively teach us about all of the wonders of anarcho-capitalism, saving us the trouble of having to study it for ourselves!

Anti-Control on January 3, 2013 at 6:38 AM

I’m no authority on anarcho-capitalism, but it doesn’t take an authority to understand its tenets or how an anarcho-capitalist society would operate.

It was watching Resist chasing Dante around the tree yesterday that done me.

Axe on January 3, 2013 at 7:39 AM

She did no such thing other than try to ascribe beliefs to me that I do not hold and admissions (as she put it) that I never made.

it would be humorous to know how [anarcho-capitalists] propose to deal with real-world frauds and dangers like quack doctors and other assorted scam artists, or how they figure zoning laws, property administration, and road construction/maintenance should be properly handled without the involvement of “evil” government.

Anti-Control on January 3, 2013 at 7:21 AM

Why would it be humorous? Fraud would be handled the same way as today. A suit would be filed before a court or arbiter who would hear the evidence and a judgment would be made. Anarcho-capitalism is based upon property rights and non-aggression. That doesn’t mean people fraud and aggression wouldn’t exist or that a means for justice and recompense wouldn’t exist.

As far as zoning laws and property administration … why would there be zoning laws? All property would be private; there would be no public property. Still, property owners could get together and agree not to sell their property or not lease their property to certain business.

And what type of property administration do you mean? Apartment complexes, business parks, condominiums, etc., all have property managers. Why would that be any different?

Road construction/maintenance would be taken care of by the property owner. What’s hard to understand here?

Dante on January 3, 2013 at 8:04 AM

Does this resemble any present President of the US? :)

Anti-Control on January 3, 2013 at 7:35 AM

It resembles the entire political class. This is why it’s appropriate to refer to government as “they” rather than “we”.

Dante on January 3, 2013 at 8:06 AM

She did no such thing other than try to ascribe beliefs to me that I do not hold and admissions (as she put it) that I never made.

Dante on January 3, 2013 at 8:04 AM

I could have put it the other way. The important part was the going around of the tree.

Axe on January 3, 2013 at 8:18 AM

OT

Andrew Sullivan leaving the daily beast to start his own Subscription site.

I hope to God all the material is behind a paywall so that no sentient creature ever sees one published word from this insane leftard.

tom daschle concerned on January 3, 2013 at 8:21 AM

It was watching Resist chasing Dante around the tree yesterday that done me. I would have been OK, but I was already half into it because of The Brothers Karamazov and some other things Resist had reminded me of. I’m putting together a couple arguments that actually require work. It’s going to take a while. I haven’t been here in Russian-beard land for a long time, and I haven’t had to think this hard in a while. I think I got lazy. :) Been phoning it in.

I swear that girl is exhausting to me and almost certainly a bad influence. RWM, not Dante. :)

Anarchism becomes anarcho-capitalism later, but it starts out as an argument with Marx.

The whole thing is orange and looks like burnt sticks in my mind for some reason — I don’t know or want to know why. :)

Something you said:

it would be humorous to know how [they] propose to deal with real-world frauds and dangers like [this and that].

. . . struck me at some point last night that one thing I’ve never seen is a social walk through, a day-in-the-life of such a society. Could use such a storyboard at some point here. :)

Axe on January 3, 2013 at 7:39 AM

What would happen to you if you met RWM, and she looked nearly identical to Tina Korbe? :)

I can’t take Marx, Dante, and other nutty, rigid-thinking idealists, who “live” only in theoretical worlds which can not possibly exist, seriously, as they have no meaningful understanding of human psychology or social interaction.

Dante said,

I’m no authority on anarcho-capitalism, but it doesn’t take an authority to understand its tenets or how an anarcho-capitalist society would operate.

and humorously felt the need to ask me,

Why would it be humorous?

for me to hear their take on a philosophy that claims to based upon property rights and non-aggression without it being able to give a coherent explanation for how privatized courts and law enforcement could non-forcibly resolve disputes with those who would resist their decisions. It’s utter insanity to believe that such a freaky patchwork could work in this world of 7 billion people. You cannot escape non-profit government – for instance, how could private groups decide for themselves who “owns” property in the first place?

Some form of overarching government with power of enforcement is necessary in this world, and these people can’t understand this – anarchists, like Marxists, are observationally stupid, and worse, regarding their surroundings.

Anti-Control on January 3, 2013 at 9:25 AM

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