Boehner: I refuse to negotiate one-on-one with Obama anymore

posted at 9:41 pm on January 2, 2013 by Allahpundit

But … how else will we get our fill of facile political drama in the weeks leading up to the big debt-ceiling standoff? The one and only redeeming virtue of the fiscal cliff negotiations was that it produced a cheeky anecdote of one major player dropping the F-bomb on another.

Someone will still drop the F-bomb in February, right?

During both 2011 and 2012, the Speaker spent weeks shuttling between the Capitol and the White House for meetings with the president in the hopes of striking a grand bargain on the deficit.

Those efforts ended in failure, leaving Boehner feeling burned by Obama and, at times, isolated within his conference.

In closed-door meetings since leaving the “fiscal cliff” talks two weeks ago, lawmakers and aides say the Speaker has indicated he is abandoning that approach for good and will return fully to the normal legislative process in 2013 — seeking to pass bills through the House that can then be adopted, amended or reconciled by the Senate.

“He is recommitting himself and the House to what we’ve done, which is working through regular order and letting the House work its will,” an aide to the Speaker told The Hill.

He knows the debt-ceiling negotiations will be the toughest yet, with the highest likelihood of real economic damage resulting when both sides dig in and refuse to budge. Go figure that he doesn’t want to be the face of it on the Republican side. Instead he’s going to follow a version of the strategy he followed last night by presenting the caucus with options. When he tried to spearhead his own plan, Plan B, he got humiliated. When he forced the caucus to choose between prolonging the standoff by sending an amended bill back to the Senate or else letting the Senate bill come to the floor for an up-or-down vote with Democratic support, he succeeded in getting the Senate bill through and will likely keep his Speakership despite violating the “majority of the majority” rule. In other words, I’m not so sure his new strategy is aimed at rejecting Obama as much as it is rejecting his current role as the guy who’s supposed to somehow bridge the gap between establishment Republicans and tea partiers. (In fact, a Boehner aide emphasized to the Hill that he’ll continue to talk to, and meet with, O as necessary.) From now on, they can vote their way to fiscal resolutions, either by holding out until Obama caves and gives them what they want or until enough establishment GOPers break off and join with the Dems on a compromise. Besides, given how this process played out, I’m not sure O’s going to be the lead negotiator anymore for his side either.

Speaking of House Republicans in new roles, does anyone really think Paul Ryan’s 2016 odds are seriously damaged because he voted yes on this shinola sandwich? I hasten to remind you that McCain was nominated after supporting amnesty and campaign finance reform and despite rumored flirtations in the past with the possibility of switching parties. Romney was nominated despite having been pro-choice and having signed RomneyCare into law. Republican voters in presidential primaries are either very forgiving or considerably more moderate than the sort of activists who read righty blogs, and Ryan has a leg up on the competition with them because of the name recognition he got from joining the ticket this year. He’ll have more opportunities to prove his fiscally conservative bona fides, starting with the next budget death match this spring, and if anything he may gain some bipartisan cred with squishy GOP voters for having voted with the Dems this time. I’m not saying he deserves to win, but I’ve written enough incredulous “c’mon, we’re not actually going to nominate McCain/Romney” posts in my almost seven years here to know that no one’s too heretical to get a serious look from Republican voters.


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“But I will do all which Nancy says”.

Go to Hades.

Schadenfreude on January 2, 2013 at 9:41 PM

After four years of lies he only finds out now…?

Seven Percent Solution on January 2, 2013 at 9:42 PM

Whatever you gotta say to get invited to another round of ObamaGolf, Boner.

Jeddite on January 2, 2013 at 9:43 PM

Hey Speaker (for the time being): what took you so long to figure this out? Read Hot Gas and you would have know ages ago that Barry was an anus.

Dingbat63 on January 2, 2013 at 9:44 PM

Bromance ended. How tragic. For us.

Philly on January 2, 2013 at 9:45 PM

I hasten to remind you that McCain was nominated after supporting amnesty and campaign finance reform and despite rumored flirtations in the past with the possibility of switching parties.

And lost.

Romney was nominated despite having been pro-choice and having signed RomneyCare into law.

And lost.

Axe on January 2, 2013 at 9:45 PM

“He is recommitting himself and the House to what we’ve done, which is working through regular order and letting the House work its will,” an aide to the Speaker told The Hill.

He never had any or he’d have followed this, and his constitutional duties, all along.

He and Ryan, et all, go to Hades.

Boehner should NOT be speaker.

Make Bolton speaker, anyone from the outside, with a pair.

Obama will ram amnesty, gun control, a VAT, a financial transactions tax and so much more down the throat of AmeriKa and Boehner will cry “I’m not playing with Obama any more”.

To Hell with you all, you wussified scum who destroy the land, for your own regal perches. May you all spontaneously combust you fools.

Schadenfreude on January 2, 2013 at 9:45 PM

Yes, the upcoming debt ceiling fight is where we must make our stand.

blue13326 on January 2, 2013 at 9:46 PM

Nancy Pelosi is the actual Speaker.

Schadenfreude on January 2, 2013 at 9:46 PM

Whatever. You’d vote for Osama Bin Laden if the Republican Party ran him for President. Hypocrites.

lostmotherland on January 2, 2013 at 9:46 PM

*Fbomb* me.

Tim_CA on January 2, 2013 at 9:46 PM

no one’s too heretical to get a serious look from Republican voters

Republican primary voters

Axe on January 2, 2013 at 9:47 PM

Wow he’s actually going to follow rules

cmsinaz on January 2, 2013 at 9:47 PM

Speaking of House Republicans in new roles, does anyone really think Paul Ryan’s 2016 odds are seriously damaged because he voted yes on this shinola sandwich? I hasten to remind you that McCain was nominated after supporting amnesty and campaign finance reform and despite rumored flirtations in the past with the possibility of switching parties. Romney was nominated despite having been pro-choice and having signed RomneyCare into law. Republican voters in presidential primaries are either very forgiving or considerably more moderate than the sort of activists who read righty blogs, and Ryan has a leg up on the competition with them because of the name recognition he got from joining the ticket this year.

Many of the primary voters aren’t conservative, or even Republicans in many states.

I would hasten to remind you that McCain and Romney both lost because they failed to turn out their base voters.

sharrukin on January 2, 2013 at 9:47 PM

Whatever. You’d vote for Osama Bin Laden if the Republican Party ran him for President. Hypocrites.

lostmotherland on January 2, 2013 at 9:46 PM

“Fool, I killed him, with my own hands” — Obama

Schadenfreude on January 2, 2013 at 9:47 PM

Whatever. You’d vote for Osama Bin Laden if the Republican Party ran him for President. Hypocrites.

lostmotherland on January 2, 2013 at 9:46 PM

…says the guy who voted for Obama, with no irony.

God, if stupidity would hurt you’d be dead already.

Schadenfreude on January 2, 2013 at 9:48 PM

A-bomb, H-bomb, fiscal cliff, and now the F-bomb.

I can’t imagine negotiating one on one with Obama. Obama is so narcissistic, he’d drive anyone up a wall. Then you have Reid who goes on the Senate floor last week and says:

“John Boehner seems to care more about keeping his speakership than about keeping the nation on firm financial footing,” Reid said Thursday, claiming the chamber was “being operated with a dictatorship of the speaker.”

No wonder Boehner told him to go F himself.

Paul-Cincy on January 2, 2013 at 9:49 PM

and will return fully to the normal legislative process

 
Hint: The farther you get from the way things are supposed to work, the worse they will always turn out.
 
You’re a grown danged man. How do you not know this?

rogerb on January 2, 2013 at 9:50 PM

I didn’t understand Boehner..

Didn’t your mother teach you not to speak with your mouth full?????

Electrongod on January 2, 2013 at 9:50 PM

You’d vote for Osama Bin Laden if the Republican Party ran him for President. Hypocrites.

lostmotherland on January 2, 2013 at 9:46 PM

Actually McCain and Romney lost because what you claim is false. The base wouldn’t turn out for them.

sharrukin on January 2, 2013 at 9:50 PM

First, McCain got nominated by the establishment and went down in Flames in the Election, Ryan is damaged goods, he may get nominated but it will take a miracle for him to win.

Second, he completely caved in the last debt ceiling negotiation; every bit of the current disaster is a direct result of Boehner’s failure then. Who could possibly believe he won’t blow it again?

halfbaked on January 2, 2013 at 9:50 PM

He slips into Obama’s azz, volens, early and unnecessarily. Then he doesn’t like the sh*t.

The media have a bit more pride, not much more. It’s not Beluga caviar, fools. Suffocate from what you consume, all of you who eat Obama’s sh*t. May you suffer horendously, hungry, in the dark/cold, and yours too.

Schadenfreude on January 2, 2013 at 9:50 PM

Nancy Pelosi is the actual Speaker.

Schadenfreude on January 2, 2013 at 9:46 PM

She has the grip

Electrongod on January 2, 2013 at 9:51 PM

Ryan can go to Hell, with all the wussies caravan.

Schadenfreude on January 2, 2013 at 9:51 PM

Hopey the Hog(sarc)

January 2, 2013, 6:33 p.m. ET

Fred Barnes: The President Who Wants It All
The essence of bipartisan deals is win-win: Both sides are satisfied.

Obama’s approach is he alone wins.
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324374004578217433510552350.html?mod=wsj_streaming_stream

canopfor on January 2, 2013 at 9:47 PM

canopfor on January 2, 2013 at 9:52 PM

One side has spent most of his adult life staring in a mirror and lying to it and keeping the poker face when doing it. One side won the election by lying about everything from taxes to felony charges to murder. Doing it on the Senate floor, TV or stump speech is one thing but doing it directly to the face of the leader of the opposition is totally different.

tjexcite on January 2, 2013 at 9:52 PM

“He is recommitting himself and the House to what we’ve done, which is working through regular order and letting the House work its will,” an aide to the Speaker told The Hill.

*PUKE*

He’s an establishment RINO back-room, deal-making, arm-twisting hack and he’s in way over his head.

If this was a divie-up the pork meeting he’s your guy.

Need a fiscal Conservative? Better send out.

(He’s beaten soundly and regularly by a rank-amature.)

Tim_CA on January 2, 2013 at 9:53 PM

Okay, so if Boehner survives as Speaker and really means what he said, then all future negotiations should be transparent, held in public, in the House chamber, televised on C-SPAN with ALL members of the House involved in the conversation. Otherwise he should quit his crying and suffer.

stukinIL4now on January 2, 2013 at 9:54 PM

Boehners Infamous Tweet,and Playbook of DemonRat Tactics!
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Revealed! Democrats’ Playbook for Blocking Spending Cuts Needed to Boost the Economy
March 30, 2011
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For those of you following along with the budget negotiations in Washington, here’s a handy look at the playbook Democrats are using to block spending cuts needed to end the uncertainty facing job creators:
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STEP 1: Refuse to pass a bill that cuts spending and funds the government for the rest of this fiscal year. This step is right out of 2010 when Democrats didn’t even propose a budget (the reason we’re in this mess to begin with), leaving the government spending binge on auto-pilot. The House took a step toward fixing this nearly 40 days ago when it passed H.R. 1 – but again, to date, the Senate still hasn’t passed a bill of its own. If you think back to elementary school, both houses of Congress have to pass a bill in order for it to become a law.

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So every time you see Democratic leaders on TV talking about a government shutdown (step 2) or labeling spending cuts as “extreme” (step 3), remember, Senate Democrats haven’t even passed a bill.
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STEP 2: Root for a government shutdown. Call it the “Howard Dean Rule.” The former chairman of the DNC and “a de facto head of his party’s left wing“ told National Journal that Democrats should be “quietly rooting” for a government shutdown. Well, they’re listening. Washington Democrats have been ignoring Americans who want spending cuts and cheering for a shutdown for months. Aides to Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) called a shutdown “more likely than not.” And by failing to actually pass a bill to fund the government through September (step 1), Washington Democrats are the ones making their shutdown all the more likely.

STEP 3: Paint the spending cuts the American people want as “extreme.” Stanford economist John B. Taylor said the funding bill passed by the House has spending cuts that “will increase economic growth and employment,” and “encourage job-producing private sector investment.” But Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and Democrats have their marching orders: to label spending cuts needed to boost our

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economy as “extreme.” “I always use the word extreme,” said Senator Schumer. No word on whether they think a spending-driven $14 trillion debt crisis is too “extreme.” And remember, since they still haven’t passed a long-term funding bill (step 1), it’s hard to know which spending cuts Democrats don’t think are “extreme.”
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(More…)

http://www.speaker.gov/Blog/default.aspx?Page=4

canopfor on April 8, 2011 at 7:29 PM
+++++++++
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Boehners Tweet
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It’s become sadly evident to me that the White House and Senate Democrats are just not serious yet about enacting real spending cuts
8:25 AM Apr 5th via TweetDeck

johnboehner
John Boehner

http://twitter.com/johnboehner/status/55289849791524864#

canopfor on April 14, 2011 at 8:41 AM

canopfor on January 2, 2013 at 9:56 PM

I still don’t think Ryan is all that serious about a run in ’16.

changer1701 on January 2, 2013 at 9:57 PM

Anyone who thinks the GOP will “stand their ground” on the debt ceiling are on drugs. They were afraid of automatic spending cuts, but now they are willing to let the us credit rating get downgraded? Pleasssse

davemason2k on January 2, 2013 at 9:58 PM

Obama has rolled all of these lightweights.

sorry to say it but he has.

ted c on January 2, 2013 at 9:58 PM

Someone will still drop the F-bomb in February, right?

Just tune in to my Twitter feed :-)

Steve Eggleston on January 2, 2013 at 9:58 PM

From now on, they can vote their way to fiscal resolutions, either by holding out until Obama caves and gives them what they want or until enough establishment GOPers break off and join with the Dems on a compromise.

The idea that the GOP might “hold out” to preserve fiscal sanity and Conservative principles is laughable. And the notion that Barky and Co will ever “cave” is equally as laughable. I honestly feel sorry for the scant few Conservative House members who are struggling to do the right thing amidst such colossally squishy a$$hats like Boehner.

Slainte on January 2, 2013 at 9:59 PM

FiscalCliff
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https://twitter.com/search?q=fiscalcliff

canopfor on January 2, 2013 at 9:59 PM

Will there be a GOP in 2016..?

d1carter on January 2, 2013 at 10:00 PM

The Fiscal Cliff
WSJ
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http://stream.wsj.com/story/the-fiscal-cliff/SS-2-87944/

canopfor on January 2, 2013 at 10:00 PM

Schadenfreude on January 2, 2013 at 9:50 PM

I just hate it when you’re ambiguous. ///

Slainte on January 2, 2013 at 10:02 PM

Will there be a GOP in 2016..?

d1carter on January 2, 2013 at 10:00 PM

They will have a brand remake…GOPappy I think.

Limerick on January 2, 2013 at 10:03 PM

OOPS!

Calm down, liberals. The White House won.

Posted by Ezra Klein on January 2, 2013 at 4:02 pm
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{Boehners and Hopey is having a Hand-Puppet Show,Reid looks on in da image!}

I’ve covered every one of this White House’s major deals. Part of that coverage has been taking the temperature of key players on the left. So I heard the frustration when the White House agreed to shave a hundred billion dollars off of the stimulus, when they threw the public option overboard to pass the health-care bill, when they extended the Bush tax cuts for two years to secure more stimulus and when they agreed to the 2011 Budget Control Act to resolve the debt ceiling. (More…)
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/01/02/calm-down-liberals-the-white-house-got-a-good-deal-on-the-fiscal-cliff/?tid=pm_pop

canopfor on January 2, 2013 at 10:03 PM

Whatever. You’d vote I would have voted for Osama Bin Laden if the Republican Democratic Party had ran him for President against Bush. Hypocrites. I’m a huge hypocrite and don’t you ever forget it!

Somewhere There’s A Motherland That Has Lost Its Idiot on January 2, 2013 at 9:46 PM

FIFY

Resist We Much on January 2, 2013 at 10:04 PM

Boehner must go….or this party is on the highway to hell.

as for this…

Speaking of House Republicans in new roles, does anyone really think Paul Ryan’s 2016 odds are seriously damaged because he voted yes on this shinola sandwich? I hasten to remind you that McCain was nominated after supporting amnesty and campaign finance reform and despite rumored flirtations in the past with the possibility of switching parties. Romney was nominated despite having been pro-choice and having signed RomneyCare into law. Republican voters in presidential primaries are either very forgiving or considerably more moderate than the sort of activists who read righty blogs, and Ryan has a leg up on the competition with them because of the name recognition he got from joining the ticket this year.

I would like to remind people reason the GOP picked McCain in 2008 was because the field was filled with people like Romney & Huckabee. In 2012 we got stuck with a field in which are best conservatives imploded (Perry), or let their ego take charge (Newt), or had scandals (Cain), and that left us with Santorum vs. Romney. Not exactly big time.

The 2016 field should be much stronger hopefully with Rubio, Walker, Jindal, Rand Paul (who is smoother and less nutty than his father) and a few others. Paul Ryan is going to have a harder time than McCain or Romney had it. He gets outclassed in looks by Rubio, in conservatism by Jindal, in actual accomplishments by Walker, in economic freedom by Rand Paul, even that big mouth traitor Christie will outclass him for the Rhino vote. All of them are better speakers and have more charisma.

I am not sure what his big selling point is at this point other than he was the previous running mate for the loser…which I guess is a big deal for the GOP big wigs. Hence our crappy record since 1992.

William Eaton on January 2, 2013 at 10:06 PM

If the GOP wants to fight Barky on the debt ceiling, they’d better prepare the nation and their party now about the short-term (hopefully) consequences that might bring. A federal government shutdown would make me feel safer, but SS recipients and the military would not feel the same way.

We are the USSA; socialism is here.

Philly on January 2, 2013 at 10:06 PM

We all know that the GOP won’t use their only leverage of forcing a gov’t shutdown, so there will be a week of political theatrics, the media will hyperventilate and the GOP will “compromise,” getting no spending cuts to speak of. They won’t even get a minuscule reduction in the rate of increase for gov’t spending.

supernova on January 2, 2013 at 10:06 PM

I don’t give a damn who the two people are doing the negotiating. that isn’t how our founders set up the damn government. suck eggs boehner and obama.

tom daschle concerned on January 2, 2013 at 10:07 PM

Translation: The GOP will give Barackabama any thing he wants–and more!

SouthernGent on January 2, 2013 at 10:09 PM

Speaking of House Republicans in new roles, does anyone really think Paul Ryan’s 2016 odds are seriously damaged because he voted yes on this shinola sandwich? I hasten to remind you that McCain was nominated after supporting amnesty and campaign finance reform and despite rumored flirtations in the past with the possibility of switching parties. Romney was nominated despite having been pro-choice and having signed RomneyCare into law. Republican voters in presidential primaries are either very forgiving or considerably more moderate than the sort of activists who read righty blogs,

Oh my gosh STICK A CORK IN IT. You were an embarrassment with your “the polls are skewed!” nonsense in the 2012 election, enough already!

The GOP primary voter is clearly a conservative base. People supported McCain because the GOP base tends to support the next in line and the surge in Iraq was proving to be a success at just the right time for his 2008 campaign which was on life support. McCain had staked his political life on that surge and it paid off.

Romney was a different story: primary voters desperately looked for every single alternative they could find but there just wasn’t any other viable alternative. Cain, Perry, Santorum, and even Newt Gingrich – yeah what a field that was. Primary voters settled on Romney, they never supported him.

I don’t know if this one vote will hurt Ryan or not, that all depends on what he does from here on out and what he’s offering in 2016. Too far away for anyone to care.

Daemonocracy on January 2, 2013 at 10:10 PM

My loser representative Pete Sessions voted for the Obama Tax increase demand bill last night. How can I get the process of a primary challenger for this loser started?

paulsur on January 2, 2013 at 10:10 PM

John.

Boehner.

Buddy.

You screwed up.

You actually trusted Obama?

Geeze, kid, you never learned a damn thing about dealing with Democrats, did you?

Might want to find work in something you can be good at, or at least something that will cause the rest of us minimum damage.

coldwarrior on January 2, 2013 at 10:11 PM

Is Boehner really stupid……or is he just going along with the evil plan for Obama to destroy liberty and create a Chinese Capitalist/Communist regime they so often praise?

I can’t decide.

PappyD61 on January 2, 2013 at 10:12 PM

Boner never understood that he was put in the speaker’s seat to be the “goalie”.

To make sure that nonsense coming from the left was shut down in the house and thereby never funded.

Our goalie regulalrly plays for the other team….I mean boner has actually been out-negotiated by boner more than once.

His BS means less than nothing.

He HAS to go.

Tim_CA on January 2, 2013 at 10:12 PM

Speaking of House Republicans in new roles, does anyone really think Paul Ryan’s 2016 odds are seriously damaged because he voted yes on this shinola sandwich? I hasten to remind you that McCain was nominated after supporting amnesty and campaign finance reform and despite rumored flirtations in the past with the possibility of switching parties. Romney was nominated despite having been pro-choice and having signed RomneyCare into law. Republican voters in presidential primaries are either very forgiving or considerably more moderate than the sort of activists who read righty blogs,

House representatives do not get the party’s nomination. He has to run for and win a grown-up office then show he can be bought before he has earned the right of nomination.

paulsur on January 2, 2013 at 10:12 PM

Boner= Charlie Brown
Obama= Lucy

paulsur on January 2, 2013 at 10:13 PM

Too little too late. Zero confidence in boehner and his ilk. The F word how classy. If only he could articulate Conservative principles and ideas. Oh wait he doesnt have any.

ldbgcoleman on January 2, 2013 at 10:14 PM

I can’t decide.

PappyD61 on January 2, 2013 at 10:12 PM

I’m going with the former…I’d only add:

“and unprincipled”

Tim_CA on January 2, 2013 at 10:15 PM

I refuse to the job that I applied for and asked people to vote me into office to do?

astonerii on January 2, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Frankly, I think it’s pretty simple right now. Boehner needs to take the lead tomorrow and make it completely clear that he will provide an increase to the debt ceiling based on the following conditions:
1) It will only be enough to last 6 months;
2) It will be increased based on immediate real across-the-board cuts in spending;
3) It will also be premised on the understanding that talks about fundamental reforms to the entitlement programs will begin immediately. No, a final solution will most likely not occur within the first 6 months, but they’d better be showing real progress;
4) In 6 months, the conversation starts all over again, with the same basic rules.

The Republicans, if they have any guts at all, will start uniformly, and relentlessly, to beat this drum. Every talk show, every interview, every stump speech, every waking moment–nothing but the line-in-the-sand.

And if Obama/Reid refuse to deal? Shut’r down.

I see no downside to this. At worst, the fiscal disaster that we’ve been dreading hits now, instead of a couple of years from now, which would make the pain a bit less intense. At best, we might actually see the Dems blink, and some real reforms take place.

And the Republicans have 2 years to pull this off. That’s plenty of time to take Obama to the matt and still recover from the pummeling they receive from the press in time for the 2014 elections. If they really play it right, they will have real results to show to the GAP, just about guaranteeing a sweep into power in the Senate, as well as hanging on to their majority in the House.

Then they get to attach ObamaCare repeals to every single frickin’ bill that comes out of Congress for the next two years. :-))))

Now, do I think the Rs have the courage to do this? Not a chance. But that’s the script I’d write for them, were I in any position to do so.

Fire in the hole!

nukemhill on January 2, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Republican voters in presidential primaries are either very forgiving or considerably more moderate than the sort of activists who read righty blogs,

Wrong

Mccain vs Romney in the primary. Liberal repub vet vs liberal repub stiff. Who represented those “righty blog types”?

Romney never polled better than 30% up until the last few primaries when all his competition had been chewed up and spat out by the media and our lovely rhino brethren. The conservative vote was divided up all the way until it was already to late for anyone to turn it around. 70% beats 30% all day, unless divide that 70% up into multiple piles then 30% wins by default, its called divide and conquer.

C-Low on January 2, 2013 at 10:16 PM

Boner= Charlie Brown
Obama= Lucy

paulsur on January 2, 2013 at 10:13 PM

Perfect.

Tim_CA on January 2, 2013 at 10:17 PM

Dude… you are Neville Chamberlin dealing with Hitler.

Catch a clue.

Hog Wild on January 2, 2013 at 10:17 PM

Horse….barn door…

ddrintn on January 2, 2013 at 10:19 PM

To put it simply but crudely, Boehner’s the pivot man with Obama behind him and a very tired looking elephant in front of him.

ElectricPhase on January 2, 2013 at 10:19 PM

Why would Obama negotiate with Boehner on the debt ceiling in the first place?

If we go over the debt limit, Obama could withhold spending in any way he pleases. He could withhold SS checks from everyone in districts whose reps don’t want to raise the debt ceiling. He would have a multi trillion dollar weapon, that he could use (and has probably been planning to use for years) in a way to maximize the political pain to Republicans. That kind of weapon could utterly decimate the GOP for a generation.

All Republican reps could do is complain. But who are the voters going to blame for the spending being shut off? The party that has been threatening to do so for years, and already shut down the government once? (With clip after clip saying “lets not raise the debt ceiling”)? Or the party that wants increased spending? Does anyone seriously believe that if Obama refuses to negotiate on the debt ceiling, the Republicans won’t pass a clean increase within a week (maybe two at the outside)?

jd3181 on January 2, 2013 at 10:20 PM

Neither side willing to negotiate? Fine. Shut it down.

TarheelBen on January 2, 2013 at 10:22 PM

Whatever. You’d vote for Osama Bin Laden if the Republican Party ran him for President. Hypocrites.
 
lostmotherland on January 2, 2013 at 9:46 PM

 
You’re suggesting the anti-America/anti-freedom OBL would potentially be a less extreme candidate than the opposing (D)?
 
Wow.
 
You do realize that’s what you wrote, right?

rogerb on January 2, 2013 at 10:23 PM

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Cleombrotus on January 2, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Hopefully,
You won’t have to John. Time to step down.

ProfShadow on January 2, 2013 at 10:25 PM

Frankly, I think it’s pretty simple right now. Boehner needs to take the lead tomorrow and make it completely clear that he will provide an increase to the debt ceiling based on the following conditions:
1) It will only be enough to last 6 months;
2) It will be increased based on immediate real across-the-board cuts in spending;
3) It will also be premised on the understanding that talks about fundamental reforms to the entitlement programs will begin immediately. No, a final solution will most likely not occur within the first 6 months, but they’d better be showing real progress;
4) In 6 months, the conversation starts all over again, with the same basic rules.

This isnt going to happen. It hasnt happened before and there is no reason for this to change now.
This is what will happen. Obama has alreadt demanded a permanent lift to the debtt ceiling. Boner will granstand first, then whine a lot, and finally will completely cave. he always does.

paulsur on January 2, 2013 at 10:26 PM

Good Grief, Boehner is even more pathetic than I thought.

The whole House GOP leadership can go to hell. Boehner, Cantor, McCarthy. All useless.

Norwegian on January 2, 2013 at 10:26 PM

My loser non-representative, Pete Sessions, voted for the Obama Tax increase demand bill last night. How can I get the process of a primary challenger for this loser started?

paulsur on January 2, 2013 at 10:28 PM

Boner will granstand first, then whine a lot, and finally will completely cave. he always does. paulsur on January 2, 2013 at 10:26 PM

You left out crying.

Dingbat63 on January 2, 2013 at 10:29 PM

the debt ceiling is a joke…

equanimous on January 2, 2013 at 10:30 PM

Paul Ryan’s political aspirations are dead to me. Disgusted with his vote and with his condescending rationalization. He has been fully assimilated.

CantCureStupid on January 2, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Sick of it all.

Philly on January 2, 2013 at 10:39 PM

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canopfor on January 2, 2013 at 10:42 PM

I hasten to remind you that McCain was nominated after supporting amnesty and campaign finance reform and despite rumored flirtations in the past with the possibility of switching parties. Romney was nominated despite having been pro-choice and having signed RomneyCare into law.

“despite”? THose two turds were nominated precisely BECAUSE they were such turds. The left media and the Vichy Right mouthpieces did their jobs by destroying anyone who wasn’t a Vichy backstabber like McShame and Romney.

Doesn’t matter, now. The GOP is done. It’s time for a national divorce to start anew. And the Vichy Right can stay in the American Socialist Superstate with their national socialist masters.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 2, 2013 at 10:48 PM

The JEF gets everything for free whether Boner is in the room or not.

Valiant on January 2, 2013 at 10:51 PM

I’m not saying he deserves to win, but I’ve written enough incredulous “c’mon, we’re not actually going to nominate McCain/Romney” posts in my almost seven years here to know that no one’s too heretical to get a serious look from Republican voters.

I unregistered as an R today. They no longer represent me and I will not hold my nose and voter for another national squish for president again.

Ryan has certainly made some questionable votes on very high profile legislation. Add this to the list.

Rubio’s strike, IMO, is amnesty, which is a deal-killer for me. So, I’m out unless a truly conservative candidate emerges before 2016. Besides, they won’t beat Michizzle anyway.

The Hammer on January 2, 2013 at 10:52 PM

Speaking of House Republicans in new roles, does anyone really think Paul Ryan’s 2016 odds are seriously damaged because he voted yes on this shinola sandwich? I hasten to remind you that McCain was nominated after supporting amnesty and campaign finance reform and despite rumored flirtations in the past with the possibility of switching parties.

McCain got the nomination via pure attrition and Huckabee playing spoiler to Mitt’s campaign. His campaign kept coming close to an implosion time and time again in circumstances that actually mirrored Gingrich’s disastrous primary.

McCain couldn’t get a conservative to vote enthusiastically for him even if $1,000,000 were thrown in their faces. And we saw the result.

Please, AP. This will hang on Ryan’s neck like the proverbial noose if he even tried to run for President in 2016. The level by which we scrutinized EVERY candidate in the 2012 primary should serve as a handy pointer.

Myron Falwell on January 2, 2013 at 11:06 PM

I unregistered as an R today.

The Hammer on January 2, 2013 at 10:52 PM

don’t leave the party….help take it back!

We just unseated the RINO speaker ffs.

Tim_CA on January 2, 2013 at 11:09 PM

Rubio’s strike, IMO, is amnesty, which is a deal-killer for me. So, I’m out unless a truly conservative candidate emerges before 2016. Besides, they won’t beat Michizzle anyway.

The Hammer on January 2, 2013 at 10:52 PM

The Dems could nominate a paper bag for President in 2016 and it would already get a majority of the vote locked up.

THAT’S how bad it is. There’s no one that will even come close to carrying the conservative mantle for another 20 years, if that. The only option we have is a violent revolution to claim our country back.

Myron Falwell on January 2, 2013 at 11:09 PM

We just unseated the RINO speaker ffs.

Tim_CA on January 2, 2013 at 11:09 PM

Has Boehner been replaced?

sharrukin on January 2, 2013 at 11:12 PM

McCain was nominated after supporting amnesty and campaign finance reform and despite rumored flirtations in the past with the possibility of switching parties. Romney was nominated despite having been pro-choice and having signed RomneyCare into law.

Both at the strident, huffily red-faced insistence of the GOP’s CINO/squish contingent, it must be noted.

Campaign and political geniuses, I tell you. Every last one of ‘em.

Kent18 on January 2, 2013 at 11:19 PM

We just unseated the RINO speaker ffs.

Tim_CA on January 2, 2013 at 11:09 PM

Has Boehner been replaced?

sharrukin on January 2, 2013 at 11:12 PM

idk. Nothing’s been published yet that says he’s gone gone gone…

Myron Falwell on January 2, 2013 at 11:25 PM

idk. Nothing’s been published yet that says he’s gone gone gone…

Myron Falwell on January 2, 2013 at 11:25 PM

It’s certainly a possibility but I can’t find anything yet that says he’s gone?

sharrukin on January 2, 2013 at 11:27 PM

It’s certainly a possibility but I can’t find anything yet that says he’s gone?

sharrukin on January 2, 2013 at 11:27 PM

still nothing from tonite’s “leadership mtg”…so I’m projecting.

LOTS of rumors though….I apologize.

Tim_CA on January 2, 2013 at 11:30 PM

Boehner: I refuse to negotiate one-on-one with Obama anymore

I’m sorry pee pee boy, but “I won John” is strike one, embarrassing Supreme Court justices to their face is two, and “I get that for free” from Barry is three. So you might be a decent fellow—but I don’t think so. Anyway, time to move in a different direction pud.

arnold ziffel on January 2, 2013 at 11:31 PM

Why did you do it in the first place.

29Victor on January 2, 2013 at 11:33 PM

LOTS of rumors though….I apologize.

Tim_CA on January 2, 2013 at 11:30 PM

Spreading rumors is great fun.

Just ask davidk

From ther HufPo article:

Wright on Health has heard from sources that do not wish to be disclosed that House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) plans to resign after allegations surfaced that Boehner had an inappropriate relationship with a male staffer.

davidk on January 2, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Sorry. Should have read the whole thing before cut and paste. Never trust HufPo.

davidk on January 2, 2013 at 4:45 PM

sharrukin on January 2, 2013 at 11:39 PM

The left doesn’t negotiate, they pontificate.

Mojave Mark on January 2, 2013 at 11:47 PM

I must say that Allahpundit appears to be quite adept at reading the future for the most part. He or she also appears to view all the shenanigans that take place in D.C. as status quo and not to be taken seriously. In other words, it’s nothing more than “politics as usual.” So, by all accounts, all the drama and horsecrap is just like watching an intense football game at times, and even though were all told the world is going to hell in a handbasket, sit back and enjoy the game.

So who are the real culprits that pit neighbor against neighbor, friend against friend, and co-worker against co-worker? Is it the baboons in D.C., or is it the people that run these blogs on the Internet? What is real anymore if one of the most talked-about blogs finds the “serious” problems facing the country as nothing more than a chess game or a football game that presents challenges and situations with no real solutions?

I know i’m rambling on, but how can one find humor in the fact that Boehner can say he’s done negotiating with the head baboon, and then an aide admits that Boehner will continue to talk to, and meet with, the big baboon as necessary. I’m sorry, but after all the negotiations that have taken place since 2008 that we have all been told are crucial to the future of this country, I can only say that we have all been taken for fools. We have been led to believe that the Republican Party represented the best interests of the country and the conservative values. Bullcrap…one party is just as disgusting as the other. So Allahpundit, sit back and enjoy the games taking place…the enjoyment you receive from all this is quite evident.

metroryder on January 2, 2013 at 11:51 PM

AP, the difference is regarding your point on Ryan: many of us won’t support the GOP anymore if presented candidates who wilt. I sucked it up voting for McCain and for Romney, but those days are over. I liked Ryan, but his vote soured me – I’ll not support him or anyone else who supported this. The threat of a Donkey winning is no longer threatening – I’ll go down in third-party fire and keep my dignity. Screw these guys, just as they’ve screwed us.

King B on January 2, 2013 at 11:54 PM

So Boehner’s ‘Plan C’ will be a return to constitutional guidelines / checks and balances for the legislative process?

rayra on January 2, 2013 at 11:54 PM

The threat of a Donkey winning is no longer threatening – I’ll go down in third-party fire and keep my dignity. Screw these guys, just as they’ve screwed us.

King B on January 2, 2013 at 11:54 PM

Yes, and more yes. Ryan’s non performance vs pos Biden Romney’s cheesing up and then yesterdays vote pretty much set the parameters for what we are up against.

arnold ziffel on January 3, 2013 at 12:09 AM

The threat of a Donkey winning is no longer threatening

King B on January 2, 2013 at 11:54 PM

^This^. When the GOP spends two full decades feverishly diluting and/or eradicating every last remaining vestige of conservatism from their candidates and stances towards the issues — in increasingly sweaty, desperate attempts to refashion themselves as the political equivalent of generic soda, or ESPN2 — they can’t very well snivel about it, afterwards, when former supporters finally agree that, yes, any difference between the two parties really is, for all practical purposes, non-existent.

Actions. Have. Consequences.

High time that today’s CINO-encrusted GOP finally learned that… one way or the other.

Kent18 on January 3, 2013 at 12:12 AM

negotiate? Is that what you call it?

tommer74 on January 3, 2013 at 12:15 AM

Romney was nominated despite having been pro-choice and having signed RomneyCare into law.

Romney was never pro-choice or a progressive. He said these things because he dared to take on Kennedy in MA and couldn’t win without portraying himself as both.

Romney was nominated because he was without question the best candidate and the only one with a prayer of beating Obama.

Basilsbest on January 3, 2013 at 12:17 AM

John.

Boehner.

Buddy.

You screwed up.

You actually trusted Obama?

Geeze, kid, you never learned a damn thing about dealing with Democrats, did you?

Might want to find work in something you can be good at, or at least something that will cause the rest of us minimum damage.

coldwarrior on January 2, 2013 at 10:11 PM

Bartender?

cane_loader on January 3, 2013 at 12:18 AM

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