Senate passes fiscal-cliff deal; House vote next

posted at 10:56 am on January 1, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

I’m a little under the weather today — a drag when you have family visiting from out of town — so we’re a little late getting a thread started on the Biden-McConnell fiscal-cliff deal.  The Senate voted overwhelmingly in favor of the package, which deals with tax rates but pushes spending decisions out another two months:

The Senate, in a pre-dawn vote two hours after the deadline passed to avert automatic tax increases, overwhelmingly approved legislation on Tuesday that would allow tax rates to rise only on affluent Americans while temporarily suspending sweeping, across-the-board spending cuts.

The deal, worked out in furious negotiations between Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and the Republican Senate leader, Mitch McConnell, passed 89 to 8, with just three Democrats and five Republicans voting no. Although it lost the support of some of the Senate’s most conservative members, the broad coalition that pushed the accord across the finish line could portend swift House passage as early as New Year’s Day.

Quick passage before the markets reopen on Wednesday would likely negate any economic damage from Tuesday’s breach of the so-called “fiscal cliff” and largely spare the nation’s economy from the one-two punch of large tax increases and across-the-board military and domestic spending cuts in the New Year.

John Boehner warned people not to expect a rubber stamp on the deal:

The House Speaker, John A. Boehner, and the Republican House leadership said the House would “honor its commitment to consider the Senate agreement.” But, they added, “decisions about whether the House will seek to accept or promptly amend the measure will not be made until House members — and the American people — have been able to review the legislation.”

What did the deal include?  It made permanent the Bush-era tax rates for everyone earning below $400,000 (and couples earning $450,000), while raising the marginal rate for everyone else to the Clinton-era 39.6%.  Some deductions will begin phasing out at $250,000, though, which gives Obama a win in the deal. Estate taxes will go back up again, and unemployment insurance will get another extension. The bill will also apply a permanent patch to the AMT.  However, the payroll-tax holiday will expire, which means that FICA withholding will return to the 2010 levels.

The deal did not include any resolution on either the sequester or the debt limit.  If there is a silver lining for Republicans, it’s that they have successfully delinked tax rates and spending issues in this fight.  The next round of bargaining will deal only with government spending, and House Republicans will have the debt ceiling as a powerful card to play.

With the Senate voting 89-8 in favor of the bill, I’d guess that House Republicans will grudgingly go along with the deal, with a big assist from House Democrats this time around.  They have until tomorrow to get the deal done in this session of Congress, though, so expect to hear plenty of debate first.


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Find your spine, Boehner. Exercise the power of the purse and say NO. No bill without massive cuts in spending and NO tax increases.

rayra on January 1, 2013 at 10:59 AM

NO.

Fallon on January 1, 2013 at 11:01 AM

We have a Democratic President and a Democratic Senate. Not sure why people are surprised that we have Democratic solutions to our fiscal woes.

We’ll get our spending cuts in March, guys.

vegconservative on January 1, 2013 at 11:01 AM

John Boehner warned people not to expect a rubber stamp on the deal:

John “Bonehead” Boehner is a Marxist infiltrator, coward and all around treasonous punk, he’ll cave faster than a $20 heroin addicted hooker on 5th Ave.

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 11:01 AM

“Under the weather” = hangover? :-) Hope you feel better soon, Ed!

KS Rex on January 1, 2013 at 11:02 AM

so expect to hear plenty of debate first.

Yes the same old blow hards will be spewing their krap we should help our nation but in the end run they will vote for this to make that anti-American forked tongue lying snake bho smile for months?
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letget on January 1, 2013 at 11:02 AM

Find your spine, Boehner. Exercise the power of the purse and say NO. No bill without massive cuts in spending and NO tax increases.

rayra on January 1, 2013 at 10:59 AM

You know that’s impossible with this senate and president, right? We lost the election, dude.

almosthandsome on January 1, 2013 at 11:03 AM

negotiators have agreed to raise the top income tax rate from 35% to 39.6% on individuals earning more than $400,000 and married filers earning above $450,000. They will also see their dividends and CapGains tax rates go up to 20%. In addition, the Death Tax, which should be completely abolished, will increase from 35% to 40% on all assets above $5.12 million. There will be a permanent AMT patch as well, as if there already wasn’t one anyway.

What about the spending side? Here are the spending increases:

■A $30 billion one-year extension of Medicare doc fix
■A $30 billion one-year extension of 73 week unemployment insurance. Over the past four years, the federal government has collected roughly $192 billion in federal unemployment payroll taxes, while paying out $510 billion in benefits. Evidently, that’s not good enough.
■Stimulus Refundable Tax Credits: Somehow, a 5-year extension of Obama’s stimulus refundable tax credits got inserted into the deal. So he calls a tax cut a handout, and a handout a tax cut. These latter three provisions alone will easily top $100 billion a year, dwarfing the $50-$60 billion in static revenue projections from the tax cuts on the rich. So much for a balanced approach.
■Green Energy Pork: The irony is that while the rich earned every penny of their money, Obama refers to the current system – one in which the top 1% pay 37% of the taxes – as a handout to the rich. Yet, this deal extends a true handout, the 2.2 cent per kilowatt/hour wind Production Tax Credit. This is a refundable credit that can be claimed by any wind company that fails to generate a profit, of which there are many. In addition, all special interest credits passed out of the Senate Finance Committee – the real loopholes in the tax code – are included in the deal.

Dan Horowitz at RedState.

Wethal on January 1, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Feel better, Ed. I have no more words for our dysfunctional government.

Philly on January 1, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Until Republicans learn how to combat the uber-liberal MSM and to market themselves as a positive, constructive force for the American people, deals like this are likely the best they can do. Here’s hoping the next generation of conservatives & liberatarians and Republicans can do a far superior job to what the recent crop has produced.

Hope you are feeling better soon, Ed. My thermometer says minus 5 – and I need to venture out in about an hour! Maybe stay inside and warm with your visitors …. and blog to your heart’s content on the first day of 2013!

pbundy on January 1, 2013 at 11:05 AM

If they pass this I would wait until he signs it – gather every GOPer on the hill for the cameras and say.

“You think you’re getting anything else Mr President you’ve got another thing coming”.

gophergirl on January 1, 2013 at 11:05 AM

…House Republicans will have the debt ceiling as a powerful card to play.

Heh. Just like it’s been such a “powerful card” every time congress has buckled & raised the ceiling in past years.

KS Rex on January 1, 2013 at 11:07 AM

From Breitbart:

According to the Congressional Budget Office, the last-minute fiscal cliff deal reached by congressional leaders and President Barack Obama cuts only $15 billion in spending while increasing tax revenues by $620 billion—a 41:1 ratio of tax increases to spending cuts.

“In 1982, President Reagan was promised $3 in spending cuts for every $1 in tax hikes,” Americans for Tax Reform says of those two incidents. “The tax hikes went through, but the spending cuts did not materialize. President Reagan later said that signing onto this deal was the biggest mistake of his presidency.

“In 1990, President George H.W. Bush agreed to $2 in spending cuts for every $1 in tax hikes. The tax hikes went through, and we are still paying them today. Not a single penny of the promised spending cuts actually happened.”

Dear President Obama and the United States Senate,

Are you all suffering from some kind of mental disease? Is this your “balanced approach” to debt reduction? Do you idiots really think this bill will pass in the house? Never mind—you’re all hopelessly delusional.

Rovin on January 1, 2013 at 11:07 AM

Open your mouth wide, America! Has Obama got a crap sandwich for you!!!!

pilamaye on January 1, 2013 at 11:07 AM

I ended 2012 angry at DC and start 2013 angry at DC. Nothing has changed.

Happy New Year to all at HA.

I hope you feel better Ed. Thanks to you and the HA staff! Here’s to 2013!!

CoffeeLover on January 1, 2013 at 11:07 AM

Boehner will go along with the Senate version, if only to avoid Obama’s slanders and bad press. Besides, with overwhelming Pub support in the Senate, Boehner is in no position to buck the accepted GOP party line.

Liam on January 1, 2013 at 11:09 AM

Rand Paul voted no. If he isn’t the nominee in 2016, the republican party is dead.

thphilli on January 1, 2013 at 11:09 AM

We have a Democratic President and a Democratic Senate. Not sure why people are surprised that we have Democratic solutions to our fiscal woes.

We’ll get our spending cuts in March, guys.

vegconservative on January 1, 2013 at 11:01 AM

You are delusional, we have gone down this path before.

President: “Why do republicans want to defund the military and take guaranteed care away from senior citizens?”

Republicans: “We surrender”

trs on January 1, 2013 at 11:09 AM

Hey! Raise a New Year’s toast to General Mush McConnell, who has yet to find a hill he’s willing to die upon.

james23 on January 1, 2013 at 11:10 AM

You know that’s impossible with this senate and president, right? We lost the election, dude.

almosthandsome on January 1, 2013 at 11:03 AM

Seriously? Then why even bother electing members to the House of Representatives? We won those elections which means we still have some control of the purse strings.

Fallon on January 1, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Rand Paul voted no. If he isn’t the nominee in 2016, the republican party is dead.

thphilli on January 1, 2013 at 11:09 AM

I said that up in the headlines. He really gets it.

I hope he runs and if he runs I hope he tells all the “experts” to take a long walk off a short pier.

gophergirl on January 1, 2013 at 11:11 AM

They are setting up every GOP member of Congress who voted or votes for this as a flip-flopping liar in the 2014 elections.

They will run clips of “no tax rate increase” statements from that member and then on to the vote for this.

The Dems also know that the Tea Party may primary some of the GOP members, which is fine with the Dems. Intra-party war is to their benefit. They’ll run the primary loser’s ads against the winner in the general election.

The goal is to destroy the GOP as an opposition party, which Dr. K has warned us about many times.

Wethal on January 1, 2013 at 11:13 AM

Perspective Reality

Rovin on January 1, 2013 at 11:15 AM

Well, today the White House is telling Fox New’s Ed Henry that this was the game all along. According to Ed Henry, the White House staff is saying that getting the GOP to break their tax pledge is, “One of the most consequential policy achievements of the last couple of decades.” The plan cuts $1.00 in spending for every $41.00 in tax increases. Contrary to what Senator Pat Toomey is claiming today, everyone’s taxes will also go up – the 99% and the 1%.

(Erick the Red h/t petefrt in the headlines.)

Don’t give in.

Fallon on January 1, 2013 at 11:15 AM

The goal is to destroy the GOP as an opposition party, which Dr. K has warned us about many times.

Wethal on January 1, 2013 at 11:13 AM

I would it a case of assisted suicide.

Liam on January 1, 2013 at 11:15 AM

Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.

What, no “Esq?”

Dongemaharu on January 1, 2013 at 11:15 AM

Seriously? Then why even bother electing members to the House of Representatives? We won those elections which means we still have some control of the purse strings.

Fallon on January 1, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Well, in theory we do. But so long as the self anointed elitist Aristocrats in the GOP continue to place a greater value on plundering America’s treasures than upon doing the will of those who they are elected to represent we will continue to see the Mitch McConnell’s and John “Bonehead” Boehners of the GOP leadership (Who in reality amount to littler more than Marxist infiltrators) lie to their constitutes and then betray us in the middle of the night.

Remember how we ended up with the damned sequester problem in the first place?

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 11:17 AM

Get well Ed.

22044 on January 1, 2013 at 11:19 AM

More stop-gap measures. We’ll be going through this nightmare on a regular basis. The only fix is a booming economy, which voters decided they did not want. Same crap, different year, for at least the next 4 years.

Philly on January 1, 2013 at 11:19 AM

They are setting up every GOP member of Congress who voted or votes for this as a flip-flopping liar in the 2014 elections.

They will run clips of “no tax rate increase” statements from that member and then on to the vote for this.

The Dems also know that the Tea Party may primary some of the GOP members, which is fine with the Dems. Intra-party war is to their benefit. They’ll run the primary loser’s ads against the winner in the general election.

The goal is to destroy the GOP as an opposition party, which Dr. K has warned us about many times.

Wethal on January 1, 2013 at 11:13 AM

This is well worth repeating—–over and over again! “Read my lips” redux.

Rovin on January 1, 2013 at 11:19 AM

I would it a case of assisted suicide.

Liam on January 1, 2013 at 11:15 AM

You’re probably more right than you know.

“Plan B” was the last hope we had of a Republican plan. Now, Boehner’s left with two choices – one, bring “Plan Sh*t Sandwich” to a vote, and watch the Democrats overwhelmingly vote for its passage, or two, don’t bring it to a vote and watch national anger grind conservatism into a fine powder. (Don’t even entertain the idea that conservatives will be spared the greatest amount of blame for failure.)

But hey, at least all those folks from blood-red districts don’t have to worry about those nasty primary challenges, right?

KingGold on January 1, 2013 at 11:20 AM

We have a Democratic President and a Democratic Senate. Not sure why people are surprised that we have Democratic solutions to our fiscal woes.

These are not “solutions.” Get real.

We’ll get our spending cuts in March, guys.

vegconservative on January 1, 2013 at 11:01 AM

Brought by the Easter Bunny, maybe???

RedPepper on January 1, 2013 at 11:21 AM

So the deal increases taxes for everyone (because of the FICA increase) AND includes even more spending.

I guess that solves the problem. I mean, on it’s face it seems to be completely counterproductive, but I’m not one of my betters in the Senate so I really wouldn’t know. Sheesh.

PetecminMd on January 1, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Welcome to 1930′s Germany.

wolly4321 on January 1, 2013 at 11:22 AM

Contrary to what Senator Pat Toomey is claiming today, everyone’s taxes will also go up – the 99% and the 1%.

Pat Toomey appeared at one of the first Tea Party rallies in Philly. He was not the establishment choice for the nomination. How far has he fallen.

Wethal on January 1, 2013 at 11:22 AM

As much as I despise the lack of spending cuts, I’m counting this as a win. We get a permanent AMT fix (why on earth did it take this long!?), we make permanent almost all of the Bush tax cuts (rather than a temporary extension), and we can put the focus squarely on spending when we get to the debt ceiling. I don’t think the Democrats will have much stomach for asking for increased tax rates in a couple months–people will already be hurting because of the FICA holiday’s expiration and because of Obamacare, and the Democrats will have just raised tax rates two months earlier.

Don’t forget that the Republicans still only hold one house in Congress. Any step in the right direction is a win, no matter how small.

Mohonri on January 1, 2013 at 11:22 AM

I am not certain de-linking spending and taxes is a good thing. It’s only “good” in the sense that Republicans are in a terrible negotiating position (and are horrible negotiators).

Linking the two provides rationalization. That is, you can’t spend money you don’t have. De-linking makes it an ethereal Washington type budget conversation where the opposition paints those wanting to do something as “stealing” from somebody. Do people actually understand the realities here? Well, obvious answer is no. They reelected a President who promised to give them more stuff we can’t afford. That leaves us with a majority apathetic, uncaring citizenry.

I also don’t buy the “Republicans broke their last pledge and are on their knees” meme. Taxing people more won’t fix our fundamental fiscal issues and now Congress as a group has pushed this down the road again.

The game here is one of musical chairs. The music will definitely stop. But Democrats are hoping it will be long enough in the future that people won’t remember it was them who stole their seat.

This isn’t about Democrats or Republicans losing. I’ll leave that gamesmanship for the ignominious, irresponsible people in Washington. It is about how an entire country was lost late last night by those we elected to manage our country.

This should not be remembered for the fiscal calamity it will eventually become. It should more-so be recalled as the day on which citizens forfeited their democratic republic and handed control to new rulers. The sad part being that most people don’t even realize, or perhaps care.

The citizens have unwittingly let democracy and liberty slip from their hands for divisive politics which promise much, but will deliver little- other than more misery and less freedom. Our future and our children will be bleaker and less free because of it. We should all be ashamed.

Marcus Traianus on January 1, 2013 at 11:22 AM

We lose we compromise; we win we don’t? We all lose in the end. These clowns in DC couldn’t run lemonade stand.

racquetballer on January 1, 2013 at 11:23 AM

House Republicans will have the debt ceiling as a powerful card to play.

Ed, you forgot the sarc/// tags after this.

Dongemaharu on January 1, 2013 at 11:23 AM

But hey, at least all those folks from blood-red districts don’t have to worry about those nasty primary challenges, right?

KingGold on January 1, 2013 at 11:20 AM

Gerrymandering after 2010 is the only thing that might save the House.

Wethal on January 1, 2013 at 11:23 AM

Tea Party House members ACTIVATE!

Zorro on January 1, 2013 at 11:24 AM

_Across-the-board cuts: Delays for two months $109 billion worth of across-the-board spending cuts set to start striking the Pentagon and domestic agencies this week. Cost of $24 billion is divided between spending cuts and new revenues from rule changes on converting traditional individual retirement accounts into Roth IRAs.

…as usual…incrementally!

KOOLAID2 on January 1, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Rand Paul voted no. If he isn’t the nominee in 2016, the republican party is dead.

thphilli on January 1, 2013 at 11:09 AM

I said that up in the headlines. He really gets it.

I hope he runs and if he runs I hope he tells all the “experts” to take a long walk off a short pier.

gophergirl on January 1, 2013 at 11:11 AM

He doesn’t seem to be as crazy as his dad, while retaining the few good characteristics that Ron Paul has. He definitely bares watching as a future major player, but…. Also has about him the onus of clearly being one of America’s political Aristocrats.

America has way to damned many political aristocratic dynastic families already (Kennedy’s, Bush’s Gore’s, Clinton’s) adding the Paul’s to that list really doesn’t sit well with me.

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 11:25 AM

“any step in the right direction is a win, no matter how small”

Like one last dying gasp for air?

wolly4321 on January 1, 2013 at 11:25 AM

This is well worth repeating—–over and over again! “Read my lips” redux.

Rovin on January 1, 2013 at 11:19 AM

But the House is in a no win situation here. This is a crap bill – everybody knows it’s a crap bill. If they pass it – they broke their pledge. If they don’t pass it everybody’s taxes go up and the media and POS President will never shut up about it.

I guess they have to make a stand on the sequester. Everybody in the party needs to talk about spending spending spending spending spending.

Just thinking out loud here. I am not one that is going to let the GOP go as I still think they are the best defense against decades of progressive crap. I just am so mad and angry right now.

Thanks for letting me ramble.

Happy New Year.

gophergirl on January 1, 2013 at 11:25 AM

You know that’s impossible with this senate and president, right? We lost the election, dude.

almosthandsome on January 1, 2013 at 11:03 AM

Ignorant ass, Newt broke Clinton’s back and forced a modicum of welfare reform, in quite similar circumstances. It’s called the ‘power of the purse’ for a reason and the Founders made sure to place it into the hands of the House as part of our system of checks and balances. If only a bunch of spineless ‘moderate’ GOP-E assholes weren’t betraying their obligations to the nation and party principles.

rayra on January 1, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Remember how we ended up with the damned sequester problem in the first place?

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 11:17 AM

But this time it will be different…..ya, right. Get Well, Ed.

Deano1952 on January 1, 2013 at 11:26 AM

KingGold on January 1, 2013 at 11:20 AM

I know we Conservatives will take the biggest hit, though there are too few elected by the Tea Party in the House to force anything. They have been marginalized for years by the Pub elites, not much welcome when all is said and done.

The Pub elites should just save themselves the pain, switch parties, and be done with the sham they have been pulling for decades.

Liam on January 1, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Politico is running photos of the 8 who voted against the deal. Shame on them — the only thing missing is crosshairs across their faces.

debg on January 1, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Rand Paul voted no. If he isn’t the nominee in 2016, the republican party is dead.

thphilli on January 1, 2013 at 11:09 AM

I said that up in the headlines. He really gets it.

I hope he runs and if he runs I hope he tells all the “experts” to take a long walk off a short pier.

gophergirl on January 1, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Rubio also voted no

He knows he would get crucified on this vote in the primary

I’m sure Ryan regrets having voted for TARP still. This is 100x worse for anyone considering a run in 2016

I expect Ryan will find an excuse to vote no in the HOuse

In fact, I suspect this will pass the House with 100% of Dems and just a few R’s crossing over, to protect as many house reps from primaries as possible

I’m starting to think Rand is the only hope for our republic also in 2016, but he’ll get slaughtered in the general if Hillary runs.

The House needs to kill all the pork crap in this (wind subsidies, unemployment extension, refundable tax credit) and send it back to the Senate with a big “F– YOU”

thurman on January 1, 2013 at 11:28 AM

The goal is to destroy the GOP as an opposition party, which Dr. K has warned us about many times.

As has Rush! It has taken a long time, but the d’s with that evil gosh horrible bho are getting their wish because the r’s seem to be so beyond stupid to trust bho or a d, EVER!

I gave all here on another thread a Happy New Year, but I have to say that 2013 will be the beginning of control by those who wants to control the citizens and nation? I pray to God I am wrong, but from what has happened in the last four+ years, I don’t think I am because it is just getting worse by the day?
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letget on January 1, 2013 at 11:30 AM

And the GOP got in this mess because in 2011 the rationale was,

“Don’t worry, we’ll take back the House and WH in 2012 and never have to face this. The economy is in the tank; it’s our election to lose.”

Wethal on January 1, 2013 at 11:30 AM

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Right now he’s one of the few who really is saying what needs to be said.

I don’t know this next year with no elections is going to be interesting.

gophergirl on January 1, 2013 at 11:30 AM

gophergirl on January 1, 2013 at 11:11 AM

…I liked you…until there was 5 minutes left to go…in the game yesterday!
…as a lib would say…someone must have been cheating or something! (:->)
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Rand Paul is near the top of my list! Family history withstanding…

KOOLAID2 on January 1, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Here is what the House should do;
NOTHING

Until the Senate passes a budget, Nothing.
Do not vote for a single item. Fiscal Cliff – No.
Debt Limit Increase – No
Confirmation Hearings – No
Shut the whole thing down until the Senate and the President does their Constitutional Mandated Duties.

Explain it to the American people exactly what you are doing and why, let the Dems take the heat.
NOTHING until we get a budget.

D-fusit on January 1, 2013 at 11:31 AM

The FICA tax cut was a Marxist idea in the first place. The one tax that should NOT be cut is the social security contribution portion as everyone knows the thieves in DC stole the money from the trust fund and the account is unsustainable. This should go back to where it was. This may be the best we can get with the Rats holding the Whitehut and Senate, especially with the ever Bawling Boehner as our leader. Oust Boehner, fight the debt ceiling increase with a vengeance and primary the Good Old Boys in 14. All in DC over 10 years must be ousted if we are to change course, else elect a Conservative POTUS next time not a RINO whom the Roves, Frums and Gillespies approve of.

ConcealedKerry on January 1, 2013 at 11:32 AM

KOOLAID2 on January 1, 2013 at 11:30 AM

What a fantastic game!

gophergirl on January 1, 2013 at 11:32 AM

I want someone would organize people, and especially small businesses, to just stop remitting federal taxes in 2013. That’s the proper, non-violent way. Do not wait for the Fedzilla beast to starve – give it a soapy enema.

Archivarix on January 1, 2013 at 11:33 AM

thurman on January 1, 2013 at 11:28 AM

I’m sure you are right.

I can’t believe we are here. I can’t believe we are at this place in this country.

Then I look at all the moochers I see everyday and well it falls into place.

I’m depressing myself. I think I’ll go take a nice long hot shower before football starts :)

gophergirl on January 1, 2013 at 11:34 AM

…vote PRESENT…or be DAMNED !

KOOLAID2 on January 1, 2013 at 11:34 AM

And yes, this is indeed about fracturing the House Republican majority for 2014

Obozo knows his legacy is hopeless and he won’t get any of the far left wish list through Congress without taking back the House

He didn’t realize how good he had it with Pelosi in charge until now

THey’re going to pull out all the stops to destroy our caucus and leadership to take back the House in 2014, then ram through an armageddon of crappy bills like cap and trade, amnesty for illegals, union card check, etc etc etc

We need to hold the House for 2014.

Hell, we should even take the Senate if we play our cards right

Our ace in the hole is gun control– let those morons overreach on this and we will crucify vulnerable dems on this all across 2014

thurman on January 1, 2013 at 11:35 AM

What’s so cute is how the media thinks the economy won’t be hurt by taxes going up more than 10% on people making 250,000 or more. Yes, I know it says 450,000 up there, but with the deductions lost, it goes up on all of them anyways.

They’ve talked and talked about how the rich need to pay more, and gotten completely away with not talking about the Obamacare taxes that start today, which add another 2% in Medicare taxes on the 250+ crowd, medical device taxes, and three other fun ones.

They’re already paying high premiums, in some cases putting aside money to pay fines if they lose in the SC, and now all these small businesses and investors will hire less, spend less and invest less. Yeah, the economy won’t be hurt.

Comsumer spending is 70% of GDP and the top 1% do 25% of that spending.

They also carefully neglect to mention, in the MSM accounts, that the payroll tax holiday is over and ALL working people will see a smaller paycheck or their raises offset.

This bill is a steaming pile of propaganda crap, yet the markets will probably eat it up.

PastorJon on January 1, 2013 at 11:35 AM

But the House is in a no win situation here.

gophergirl on January 1, 2013 at 11:25 AM

See, that is the lie we are being sold to allow the Marxist infiltrators to destroy America. The House GOP has NEVER in America’s history been in a stronger position to demand and get all the spending cuts that they want. Harry Reid by failing to pass a budget for the last 4 years has given the House a nuclear weapon to demand and get anything they want in the way of concession from the Senate and the POTUS.

This nuclear weapon is called… The Continuing Resolution, which is how ALL of the Federal Government bills are being paid right now. IF Mitch McConnell and John “Bonehead” Boehner really wanted to solve our problems the solution is very simple. Refuse to allow the Continuing Resolution to come to the House Floor.

The Democrats and the POTUS and their Fifth Column Treasonous Media allies could scream bloody murder all they want, but once the money stop flowing, they would have ZERO choice but to capitulate. It really is that simple. The GOP leadership really don’t care about solving America’s financial problems, it’s all political Kabuki Theater.

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 11:35 AM

Well, in theory we do…

Remember how we ended up with the damned sequester problem in the first place?

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 11:17 AM

I understand. H.R. 5872: Sequestration Transparency Act of 2012… *facepalm*

This trap was baited and set back in July. I cannot hit my head against a wall hard enough to make sense of any of this.

Fallon on January 1, 2013 at 11:37 AM

You know that’s impossible with this senate and president, right? We lost the election, dude.

almosthandsome on January 1, 2013 at 11:03 AM

Ignorant fool, Newt broke Clinton’s back and forced a modicum of welfare reform, in quite similar circumstances. It’s called the ‘power of the purse’ for a reason and the Founders made sure to place it into the hands of the House as part of our system of checks and balances. If only a bunch of spineless ‘moderate’ GOP-E wimps weren’t betraying their obligations to the nation and party principles.

rayra on January 1, 2013 at 11:37 AM

My two senators – Hutchinson and Cornyn- vote for it. Hutchinson is other way out and Ted Cruz is replacing her. Cornyn is just another big government goon. I just got done emailing him. He is up for re-election I two years and I hope to primary his a$$ right out to the pasture wit the rest of the Rino neocons.

MoreLiberty on January 1, 2013 at 11:37 AM

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 11:35 AM

Okay I’m on board – do that.

gophergirl on January 1, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Here is what the House should do;
NOTHING

Until the Senate passes a budget, Nothing.
Do not vote for a single item. Fiscal Cliff – No.
Debt Limit Increase – No
Confirmation Hearings – No
Shut the whole thing down until the Senate and the President does their Constitutional Mandated Duties.

Explain it to the American people exactly what you are doing and why, let the Dems take the heat.
NOTHING until we get a budget.

D-fusit on January 1, 2013 at 11:31 AM

…AGREED…!

Explain it to the American people exactly what you are doing and why

…whose going to do that? ^ ^ ^…the MSM will… and have been BURYING that option!….HOW?

KOOLAID2 on January 1, 2013 at 11:39 AM

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Right now he’s one of the few who really is saying what needs to be said.

I don’t know this next year with no elections is going to be interesting.

gophergirl on January 1, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Rand Paul is near the top of my list! Family history withstanding…

KOOLAID2 on January 1, 2013 at 11:30 AM

I hear ya, which is why I said, despite my misgivings, that he definitely bares watching.

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 11:39 AM

I guess I’m not in the middle class…I never reached the $250,000 annual income bracket in my lifetime. Maybe I was in the middle “middle class” or in the lower “middle class”. No wait, I think I was in the upper “lower class”. On second thought, the combined annual income of my wages and my wife’s wages did reach $136,000 one year, so maybe we were in the middle ‘lower class”…whatever. Retired now, so it doesn’t matter.

I hope everyone can see the usual “smoke and mirrors” game being perpetrated against the working class people in this country. As I wrote earlier, several times in fact, there would be a deal struck to avoid going over the cliff. The drama played out in front of all the cameras and smart phones, a sight to behold. “Lawmakers” spending their New Years Eve in D.C., working feverishly to avoid the pain of impending tax hikes on the “middle class.”

Listen up…the tax hikes are still coming and you can take that to the bank. Obama made it clear that he was not satisfied with the paltry amount of $600 billion of additional revenue over the next ten years. His target was $1.6 trillion and he will get it…again, you can take that to the bank. This was the game plan all along.

The “rich” have done their part, now it will soon be time for the “middle class” to do their part in rebuilding the infrastructure, hiring more teachers, firefighters, police, etc…..blah, blah, blah. That is what is ahead for the “working class” people of this country, and it will come when the politicians in D.C. determine the time is right. And when the time comes, the blogs will light up with complaints and whines from people that actually believe the system can work, but is just gridlocked with stubborn people who can’t come together. As Matt Damon says, the “political system is rigged”. And I hate to quote a liberal that I loathe.

2013 is gearing up to be the best photo opportunity for the politicians yet. The 2nd amendment is clearly in danger, as are the rights for responsible individuals who possess firearms. The Middle East is on fire, and Muslims will gain ground throughout the world. “Climate change” will be on the front burner along with new, restrictive gun laws, and the world will continue to be a “ball of confusion.”

metroryder on January 1, 2013 at 11:41 AM

This nuclear weapon is called… The Continuing Resolution, which is how ALL of the Federal Government bills are being paid right now. IF Mitch McConnell and John “Bonehead” Boehner really wanted to solve our problems the solution is very simple. Refuse to allow the Continuing Resolution to come to the House Floor.

The Democrats and the POTUS and their Fifth Column Treasonous Media allies could scream bloody murder all they want, but once the money stop flowing, they would have ZERO choice but to capitulate. It really is that simple. The GOP leadership really don’t care about solving America’s financial problems, it’s all political Kabuki Theater.

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 11:35 AM

EXACTLY! They hold the trump card yet they keep playing with the fixed deck foisted by the Marxists. Morons.

rayra on January 1, 2013 at 11:42 AM

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 11:35 AM

…oppps!…was posting and didn’t see the answer to the question!

KOOLAID2 on January 1, 2013 at 11:42 AM

They’re already paying high premiums, in some cases putting aside money to pay fines if they lose in the SC, and now all these small businesses and investors will hire less, spend less and invest less. Yeah, the economy won’t be hurt.

Comsumer spending is 70% of GDP and the top 1% do 25% of that spending.

PastorJon on January 1, 2013 at 11:35 AM

Right as rain,PJ.

bazil9 on January 1, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Fallon on January 1, 2013 at 11:15 AM

As you probably know, Maha Rushie has been warning us that this was the name of Obama’s game all along: To get the GOP to break its pledge of no tax hikes. The political hay they’ll make of this will be seriously damaging.

petefrt on January 1, 2013 at 11:42 AM

almosthandsome on January 1, 2013 at 11:03 AM

Ignorant fool, Newt broke Clinton’s back and forced a modicum of welfare reform, in quite similar circumstances. It’s called the ‘power of the purse’ for a reason and the Founders made sure to place it into the hands of the House as part of our system of checks and balances. If only a bunch of spineless ‘moderate’ GOP-E wimps weren’t betraying their obligations to the nation and party principles.

rayra on January 1, 2013 at 11:37 AM

Exactly, and for employing that power, the GOP betrayed Newt. Now we see the real agenda of the majority of our political class, not serving America, but plundering America’s treasures, and keeping their seats and the tables of power at any cost.

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 11:43 AM

GG,, we have a quasi dictator in charge whose goal is to run us broke. Soros, cloward piven. Enabled by the Senate. Buy guns girl. Only the shifting overton window allows folks to not see what is right in thier face. Brings me no joy being realistic. We have no congress. It’s a farce.

What’s coming isn’t pretty. Look at a dollar bill. Seriously, get one out right now and look at it.

It’s a piece of paper, huh? A promissary note, but the promise has been broken. Contract nullified.

It’s beyond sad. I was sad 4 years ago. Now I’m just scared sh!tless.

wolly4321 on January 1, 2013 at 11:44 AM

If the House goes along with this I will just give up!
They are hell bent on protecting those who are on the dole with their hands out and don’t contribute.
If you come back with they help pick our cotton I’ll throw up.
We are both self employed and now we will be left with nothing.
Thank you to the Socialist do gooders in the Senate and Congress who live large on OUR dollars while we suffer.
Where is the meteor sent from the heavens to destroy the Capital and the White House?
I have voted since I turned 18. I am 64 and have just realized my thoughts are not represented in DC.
Totally disgusted!

Delsa on January 1, 2013 at 11:44 AM

AGREED…!

Explain it to the American people exactly what you are doing and why

…whose going to do that? ^ ^ ^…the MSM will… and have been BURYING that option!….HOW?

KOOLAID2 on January 1, 2013 at 11:39 AM

I really could care less on who, just that it is done. I would hope that there is at least 1 patriot left in the house. Hell, I’ll do it if they want.

Like SWalker just said, money talks and right now the House still controls the spending. Close the wallet and make them beg!

D-fusit on January 1, 2013 at 11:44 AM

As you probably know, Maha Rushie has been warning us that this was the name of Obama’s game all along: To get the GOP to break its pledge of no tax hikes. The political hay they’ll make of this will be seriously damaging.

petefrt on January 1, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Rush Limbaugh says a lot of things.

Among them, that passing any plan before now would have been a terrible thing. Well, now we have this pile of excrement. Which, whether you – or he – likes it or not, is probably going to pass the House.

Enjoy.

KingGold on January 1, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Whether they were due to expire or not, the 2% increase of the payroll tax, with no compensating tax decrease elsewhere, represents a tax increase on millions of middle class Americans . Of course, a Democratic president tells those same people that he won’t raise their taxes, and Republicans are complicit in their silence.

Along with everything else wrong about this, a person making 50,000 a year will pay about $1200 more a year in taxes.

I’m actually not bothered that Politico is running the photographs of the 8; HA had a link earlier that Rubio was one of them. And I checked the Senate website to see who the others were. Harkin, of course, was one.

But Shelby, Lee, Grassley and Paul were the only other Republicans voting “no,” along with Rubio. I wanted to know. Because they are the only Republican Senators that I will send money to after this sellout. No more money to the NRSC.

I emailed McConnell again this morning, and I asked what he and the other Republicans who voted for this stand for. They vote against the stimulus, a very good thing, and now vote to extend parts of it? Do they stand for anything?

EastofEden on January 1, 2013 at 11:46 AM

A “Patriot” in the House?
I’d like to know if there is one Constitution loving “Patriot” in all of Washington, D.C.?

Delsa on January 1, 2013 at 11:47 AM

Well, today the White House is telling Fox New’s Ed Henry that this was the game all along. According to Ed Henry, the White House staff is saying that getting the GOP to break their tax pledge is, “One of the most consequential policy achievements of the last couple of decades.” The plan cuts $1.00 in spending for every $41.00 in tax increases. Contrary to what Senator Pat Toomey is claiming today, everyone’s taxes will also go up – the 99% and the 1%.

The MSM will run with this, and all of Obama’s statements with an expiration date will be tossed down the Memory Hole.

Wethal on January 1, 2013 at 11:47 AM

Thanks everybody :)

gophergirl on January 1, 2013 at 11:47 AM

All eyes on Paul Ryan:

Hey Paul Ryan: Amend the Senate Bill to link delay in implementation of Obamascare to delay in sequestration cuts. Then pass it.

There are taxes being hiked — the surtax on investment income and and the tax on medical devices that hit seniors disproportionately. These are to pay for Obamascare.

We need to start paying attention to our supporters.

str8tface on January 1, 2013 at 11:47 AM

I will NEVER vote for someone that has an R after their name again. New party maybe, Republican, no fookin’ way.

Mr. Arrogant on January 1, 2013 at 11:48 AM

A “Patriot” in the House?
I’d like to know if there is one Constitution loving “Patriot” in all of Washington, D.C.?

Delsa on January 1, 2013 at 11:47 AM

Understood.

D-fusit on January 1, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Why not amend it so it is “correct” and send it back to the Senate?

crash72 on January 1, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Do they stand for anything?

EastofEden on January 1, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Yes, they stand firmly for their own ability to loot and plunder the wealth and prosperity of American Citizens at will and with impunity.

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Obviously this tax bill isn’t some sort of ideal piece of conservative legislation, but what did you expect when the Democrats have the White House and Senate?

The fact that around 98% of Americans are going to be paying the same rates they were under the Bush tax cuts has to make liberals fume. I actually think Republicans got the better deal here.

I’d really like to know what other solution conservatives have for this impasse, unless the goal is to actually raise taxes on all Americans to prove a point. In which case, wouldn’t that actually be a victory for liberals?

BradTank on January 1, 2013 at 11:50 AM

I understand the hope of the House standing. I understand that it could, in theory.

I just see no signs that will happen.

wolly4321 on January 1, 2013 at 11:52 AM

We’ll get our spending cuts in March, guys.

vegconservative on January 1, 2013 at 11:01 AM

…SURE!…and I got two feet hanging between my legs!

KOOLAID2 on January 1, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Some deductions will begin phasing out at $250,000, though, which gives Obama a win in the deal.

How is that a win for Obama? He loves deductions and credits — they are just more government spending hidden in the tax code.

Count to 10 on January 1, 2013 at 11:54 AM

I’d really like to know what other solution conservatives have for this impasse, unless the goal is to actually raise taxes on all Americans to prove a point. In which case, wouldn’t that actually be a victory for liberals?

BradTank on January 1, 2013 at 11:50 AM

I have that solution right here, I am damned tired of liars pissing on my head and thinking they can deceive me into believing it’s raining.

gophergirl on January 1, 2013 at 11:25 AM

See, that is the lie we are being sold to allow the Marxist infiltrators to destroy America. The House GOP has NEVER in America’s history been in a stronger position to demand and get all the spending cuts that they want. Harry Reid by failing to pass a budget for the last 4 years has given the House a nuclear weapon to demand and get anything they want in the way of concession from the Senate and the POTUS.

This nuclear weapon is called… The Continuing Resolution, which is how ALL of the Federal Government bills are being paid right now. IF Mitch McConnell and John “Bonehead” Boehner really wanted to solve our problems the solution is very simple. Refuse to allow the Continuing Resolution to come to the House Floor.

The Democrats and the POTUS and their Fifth Column Treasonous Media allies could scream bloody murder all they want, but once the money stop flowing, they would have ZERO choice but to capitulate. It really is that simple. The GOP leadership really don’t care about solving America’s financial problems, it’s all political Kabuki Theater.

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 11:35 AM

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 11:54 AM

In less than a year, Obama will start demanding a new round of tax hikes. The Pubs and Dems will be ‘fighting’ over it for show, then the Pubs will cave.

Maybe we should change the National Anthem to Elton John’s I’ve Seen That Movie, Too.

Liam on January 1, 2013 at 11:55 AM

Welcome to camp B.O.H.I.C.A, Boys and girls!!!!!

sanjuro on January 1, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Seriously? Then why even bother electing members to the House of Representatives? We won those elections which means we still have some control of the purse strings.

Fallon on January 1, 2013 at 11:11 AM

We lost the election. We have limited power because not everyone agrees with us. Boehner is doing the best he can in a bad situation. And we do assert some control of the purse strings. If we had lose the House, we wouldn’t be having this fiscal conversation. Instead, we would negotiating a new Stimulus, because the last one worked out so well.

thuja on January 1, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Maybe we should change the National Anthem to Elton John’s I’ve Seen That Movie, Too.

Liam on January 1, 2013 at 11:55 AM

Elton John’s “Funeral for a Friend” would be far more appropriate.

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 11:57 AM

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