Quotes of the day

posted at 8:01 pm on January 1, 2013 by Allahpundit

House Speaker John A. Boehner kicked off the 112th Congress by saying Americans are ready for an adult conversation on spending and deficits.

Two years later, that broader conversation has yet to happen, either in the country or in the halls of Congress, where lawmakers were poised Monday to once again nibble at the deficit but shy away from fundamental reforms…

“Instead of having a president who runs around saying we’re going to stick it to rich people, what we really need are honest people to go around the country and say to people, ‘If you are working class or you are retired, the government is stealing from you,’” the Kentucky Republican said on the Senate floor. “Why do prices go up? Because we run a deficit up here giving you free stuff, we print up money to pay for it, and that steals value from what you have.”

***

The “fiscal cliff” is a massive failure of presidential leadership. The tedious and technical negotiations are but a subplot in a larger drama. Government can no longer fulfill all the promises it has made to various constituencies. Some promises will be reduced or disavowed. Which ones? Why? Only the president can pose these questions in a way that starts a national conversation over the choices to be made, but doing so requires the president to tell people things they don’t want to hear. That’s his job: to help Americans face unavoidable, if unpleasant, realities. Barack Obama has refused to play this role

Until Obama conspicuously and consistently acknowledges these realities in straightforward and unmistakable language — something he hasn’t done and shows no signs of doing — he cannot be said to be dealing honestly with the budget or with the American people. The main reason that we keep having these destructive and inconclusive budget confrontations is not simply that many Republicans have been intransigent on taxes. The larger cause is that Obama refuses to concede that Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are driving future spending and deficits. So when Republicans make concessions on taxes (as they have), they get little in return. Naturally, this poisons the negotiating climate…

Unfortunately, much of the media have accepted the Obama narrative that it’s only Republican rigidity that frustrates negotiations and leads to deadlock. This means, of course, that there’s even less incentive for Obama and congressional Democrats to engage in genuine bargaining.

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[W]e have crossed the Rubicon of political reality. The president holds a cheerleading session to ridicule Congress, not one plan offered makes even the smallest dent in our economic disaster, cynical political ploys by Harry Reid torpedo possible agreements — all these petty politicians fiddle while America burns. And then, we’re supposed to believe that a last-second deal responsibly solves the problem from a bunch of bickerers who had months (years, really) to tackle the issue?

Our crisis is political, not economic. Politics is ultimately a moral exercise, no matter what it deals with. Leaders are stewards of our social patrimony. What we see in Washington today is not gridlock. It is collapse. It is the final triumph of political theater over political reality, of ignorance over reasoned governing, of self-interest over principle. A $12 trillion economy and 230-plus-year history can survive a great deal of abuse and neglect. But history proves no state is immune from the self-inflicted idiocy of its leaders or people. Just how long we will survive in this state is now a proposition fully engaged. It is the great social experiment of the 21st century.

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None of the deals proposed to save us from falling off the mythical cliff would make even a tiny dent in our on-going trillion dollar deficits, which is what this exercise was supposed to be all about. The final battle has now been postponed until February or March, when we hit the debt ceiling.

Republicans hope to get spending cuts from the president in return for agreeing to an increase in the debt ceiling, and the president plans to force Republicans to accept tax increases so that in the absence of spending cuts the ceiling will not be pierced. All of which means a continuation of the uncertainty that has become part of the new normal, which has big business sitting on its piles of cash, and small businesses wondering whether they dare take on new employees. The private sector will have to overcome substantial political headwinds to produce a meaningful growth rate in 2013.

Of course, in the end the enemy is us: We elect and reelect the vast majority of those who are presiding over this policy mess. It is as if the Jets decide to keep the current coaching staff and player roster after their woeful performance this season; as if Wizards fans find ways to express overwhelming satisfaction with the current cast of characters that represent them at the Verizon Center; as if we come to agree with many Europeans who regard Jimmy Carter as the most distinguished former president, and demand his return to political life.

***

Ultimately, we should blame the American voters. The average Medicare couple pays $109,000 into the program and gets $343,000 in benefits out, according to the Urban Institute. This is $234,000 in free money. Many voters have decided they like spending a lot on themselves and pushing costs onto their children and grandchildren. They have decided they like borrowing up to $1 trillion a year for tax credits, disability payments, defense contracts and the rest. They have found that the original Keynesian rationale for these deficits provides a perfect cover for permanent deficit-living. They have made it clear that they will destroy any politician who tries to stop them from cost-shifting in this way.

Most members of Congress are responding efficiently to the popular will. A large number of reactionary Democrats reject any measure to touch Medicare or other entitlement programs. A large number of impotent Republicans talk about reducing the debt, but are incapable of forging a deal that balances tax increases with spending cuts.

The events of the past few weeks demonstrate that these political pressures overwhelm the few realists looking for a more ambitious bargain. The country either doesn’t know or doesn’t care about the burdens we are placing on our children. No coalition of leaders has successfully confronted the voters, and made them heedful of the ruin they are bringing upon the nation.

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You can blame the spineless politicians all you like, and I will happily blame them right along with you. But the fact is, this giant pile of irresponsible debt is what this increasingly soulless and immoral country wants. The longer we do this, the more we are wrecking our children’s futures. And tra la la, nobody seems to care. We’re going to “get the millionaires who are doing pretty well to do a little more,” to use the Huckster in Chief’s well worn phrase, and meanwhile the do-nothings who contribute zero to our society get to keep sucking on the socialist teat. And this is what we want, as a country. This is what we voted for

Our children’s futures are wasting away in front of our eyes, and nobody gives a damn, as long as we can keep injecting those sweet, sweet government benefits into our bloodstream. Just close your eyes and feel the calm wash over you, and try not to think about the small child gasping for air at your feet.

Ahhhh. Doesn’t it feel good, folks?


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Electrongod
So that’s what that was, I saw the same thing when he left………

angrymike on January 1, 2013 at 11:44 PM

Smart people roll their own.

Bishop on January 1, 2013 at 11:42 PM

Well..

The ones with the knowledge..

But this can be taught….

Electrongod on January 1, 2013 at 11:45 PM

Bennet (D-CO)
Carper (D-DE)
Grassley (R-IA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Lee (R-UT)
Paul (R-KY)
Rubio (R-FL)
Shelby (R-AL)

DeMint didn’t vote.

TxAnn56 on January 1, 2013 at 11:41 PM

Those are Senators. We’re looking for Reps.

davidk on January 1, 2013 at 11:45 PM

For you……….”YOU PEOPLE”!!
(sarc)

House passes ‘fiscal cliff’ bill

Photo: President Obama says ‘cliff’ bill changes tax code which was skewed to much toward wealthy – @markknoller

42 secs ago from twitter.com by editor

https://twitter.com/markknoller/status/286330497720799232/photo/1

canopfor on January 1, 2013 at 11:45 PM

Again…

The top of the page…

But I am not backing down on this…

Electrongod on January 1, 2013 at 11:45 PM

Those are Senators. We’re looking for Reps.

davidk on January 1, 2013 at 11:45 PM

Actually I asked about Senators.

gophergirl on January 1, 2013 at 11:45 PM

Can Dear Leader get the h*ll back to Hawaii now?

d1carter on January 1, 2013 at 11:34 PM

I was wondering the other day IF AND WHEN THE UNITED STATES WOULD GET HAWAII BACK after it…apparently…at some point…gave it to “Asia,” at least according to Obama.

I’m not sure if it happened before or after “the bomb fell on Pearl Harbour.” Then again, maybe General MacArthur gave it to Emperor Hirohito when he “forced the latter to sign the unconditional surrender documents on the deck of the USS Missouri.” — the “Everybody Gets A Trophy” WWII version.

Smartest man in the world phonebox!

Resist We Much on January 1, 2013 at 11:46 PM

let me try? ;-)

Scrumpy on January 1, 2013 at 11:34 PM

Of course, my dear.

But, be gentle…I’m old.

Solaratov on January 1, 2013 at 11:46 PM

I’ll freely admit that I’ve been a nose-holding voter, choosing the least worst candidate in hopes that a little time could be bought for the national sense to readjust. But those days are now over for me, even the supposed Tea Party reps are rolling over and we’re about to get screwed again.

True King was right all along. You can count on one dirty hand the number of pols who wouldn’t stab conservatives in the back if it meant keeping their seat; none of them want to be out here in the private sector. So they gladhand across the aisle and tell everyone to just trust them, things will be fine in the end. Times up.

Bishop on January 1, 2013 at 11:00 PM

Eyes wide open

Again, you offer no ideas to actually fix this country. You know what the alternative to the GOP is? The Democrats.

Good Solid B-Plus on January 1, 2013 at 11:04 PM

I’m not here to offer solutions, you are. And what have they wrought? What has the consequence of your support for Pragmatics gotten you?

You own our current crisis, one that’s only beginning.

I’m here, as I stated early on, as an observer, one amazed by the insanity of it all.

Yet you will go back to them again, no matter what they do.

The GOP will betray you

True_King on January 1, 2013 at 11:47 PM

From the ProgTards!

ThinkProgress ‏@thinkprogress

Paul Ryan voted for the fiscal cliff deal. Marco Rubio voted against. Could have huge ramifications in 2016

canopfor on January 1, 2013 at 11:47 PM

Can you imagine how emboldened the leftists that hate conservatives guts are going to be?

They are going to overreach. We must stay vigilant when it comes to the second amendment. All bets are off if when they go for that.

tom daschle concerned on January 1, 2013 at 11:47 PM

The Associated Press ‏@AP

BREAKING: Obama: Effort to change tax code too skewed toward wealthy achieved with ‘fiscal cliff’ deal. -BW

canopfor on January 1, 2013 at 11:47 PM

Those are Senators. We’re looking for Reps.

davidk on January 1, 2013 at 11:45 PM

Actually I asked about Senators.

gophergirl on January 1, 2013 at 11:45 PM

My humble apologies to all.

davidk on January 1, 2013 at 11:48 PM

hey are going to overreach. We must stay vigilant when it comes to the second amendment. All bets are off if when they go for that.

tom daschle concerned on January 1, 2013 at 11:47 PM

Did you think there was a concern??

:)

Electrongod on January 1, 2013 at 11:48 PM

Can you imagine how emboldened the leftists that hate conservatives guts are going to be?

They are going to overreach. We must stay vigilant when it comes to the second amendment. All bets are off if when they go for that.

tom daschle concerned on January 1, 2013 at 11:47 PM

This and the debt ceiling are next.

gophergirl on January 1, 2013 at 11:48 PM

EG, one can’t win against ALL that!!

The sheeple wanna live the fantasy…

Whilst we care and struggle to keep this nation!

Somthing happened a very long time ago.

Complacency

Idiocy

The fantasy

Generations have failed to uphold the Constitution.

Now what?

C i v i l W a r?

Scrumpy on January 1, 2013 at 11:48 PM

TRUTH TO POWER !!
(snark)

Ξ BLACK REPUBLICAN Ξ ‏@blackrepublican

Obama is using “weak” Republicans to destroy the Republicans. This is NOT about a fiscal cliff; this is about power. This is about control!

canopfor on January 1, 2013 at 11:48 PM

Fruitcake is a delicacy in a gulag.

wolly4321 on January 1, 2013 at 11:35 PM

Christmas in a FEMA camp. Won’t we have fun!

Solaratov on January 1, 2013 at 11:48 PM

Solaratov on January 1, 2013 at 11:46 PM

So am I, with a young heart and mind tho ;-)

Scrumpy on January 1, 2013 at 11:49 PM

Now what?

C i v i l W a r?

Scrumpy on January 1, 2013 at 11:48 PM


Keep that under your hat..

Electrongod on January 1, 2013 at 11:49 PM

Can’t wait to see the Repubs getting their heads patted tomorrow by the Prog media…

d1carter on January 1, 2013 at 11:49 PM

Paul Ryan says the 41-to-1 tax hikes to spending cuts crapwich “reflects conservative values.” Stop it.

JPeterman on January 1, 2013 at 11:35 PM

He must be trying to convince himself…because the rest of us know better.

Solaratov on January 1, 2013 at 11:51 PM

I’m not here to offer solutions, you are. And what have they wrought? What has the consequence of your support for Pragmatics gotten you?

You own our current crisis, one that’s only beginning.

I’m here, as I stated early on, as an observer, one amazed by the insanity of it all.

Yet you will go back to them again, no matter what they do.

The GOP will betray you

True_King on January 1, 2013 at 11:47 PM

Charming. You admit you are here not to contribute anything useful, but to sit around and heckle when those who are actually trying to do something fail.

I suppose you will show up when things get fixed and enjoy the free ride on someone else’s hard work.

That sounds almost like… a liberal.

kim roy on January 1, 2013 at 11:51 PM

Ahhh he’s going back to Hawaii to finish his vacation.

Must be nice.

gophergirl on January 1, 2013 at 11:51 PM

If I can lure you with fruitcake and whiskey….hmmmm!!

Scrumpy on January 1, 2013 at 11:35 PM

Well…I’m not easy…but I can be had.

Solaratov on January 1, 2013 at 11:52 PM

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/roll658.xml

canopfor on January 1, 2013 at 11:20 PM

That has got to be wrong – it’s got Cantor and Issa voting yea and they both were a nay.

gophergirl on January 1, 2013 at 11:27 PM

That was the vote to proceed with Kabuki Theatre, Cliff-Slamming edition.

Steve Eggleston on January 1, 2013 at 11:52 PM

Well time to call it a night.

I have to work to pay for HAL and all the other moochers.

gophergirl on January 1, 2013 at 11:52 PM

@RepPaulRyan voted for the crap sandwich. Thanks a lot for being a major disappointment.

Wow, I’m speechless.

Gee, when arnold was having doubts about Ryan when he let Biden steamroll him, and Romney not wanting to offend anyone’s delicate sensibilities by calling Obama out, I knew there was trouble ahead.

I guess when you come to a fork in the road if you’re a nancy boy GOP, you say “stick it in me I’m done.”

arnold ziffel on January 1, 2013 at 11:53 PM

Electrongod on January 1, 2013 at 11:49 PM

Oh it is for sure

Somthing has got to give, do I want to be around to see it?

I don’t know what to think any more, can only go on what has befallen in the historical past…

I am not up for it…

If the rest of the nation wants nanny statism, they shall have it.

Who’s gonna stop them?

Scrumpy on January 1, 2013 at 11:53 PM

This and the debt ceiling are next.

gophergirl on January 1, 2013 at 11:48 PM

Amnesty is right around the corner. That and the 2nd Amendment are two battles that I’ll never retreat from.

TxAnn56 on January 1, 2013 at 11:53 PM

…….when those who are actually trying to do something fail…….
kim roy on January 1, 2013 at 11:51 PM

I’m curious. What are you actually doing?

LegendHasIt on January 1, 2013 at 11:54 PM

Solaratov on January 1, 2013 at 11:52 PM

Who’s gonna make anything easy eh? ;-)

Scrumpy on January 1, 2013 at 11:54 PM

What’s a fruitcake?

(checking the whiskey)

Tim_CA on January 1, 2013 at 11:27 PM

You’re from California and you don’t know what a fruitcake is?
Adam Lambert, George Takei, Neil Patrick Harris ring any bells?

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 11:54 PM

I’m not here to offer solutions, you are. And what have they wrought? What has the consequence of your support for Pragmatics gotten you?

You own our current crisis, one that’s only beginning.

I’m here, as I stated early on, as an observer, one amazed by the insanity of it all.

Yet you will go back to them again, no matter what they do.

The GOP will betray you

True_King on January 1, 2013 at 11:47 PM

Awesome. So you have no ideas, but you’re positive that my ideas are wrong, even though you don’t even know what they are.

Why are you even here, again? I mean, besides being an anti-Semite (must suck that Cantor voted no, huh?).

Good Solid B-Plus on January 1, 2013 at 11:54 PM

Well time to call it a night.

I have to work to pay for HAL and all the other moochers.

gophergirl on January 1, 2013 at 11:52 PM

Tomorrow I have to go to work to help you out on those freeloaders..

It’s are assigned duty..

I suppose..

Until we say no..

Electrongod on January 1, 2013 at 11:55 PM

good night GG!!

Scrumpy on January 1, 2013 at 11:55 PM

Smart people roll their own.

Bishop on January 1, 2013 at 11:42 PM

Smarter people bought 50,000 rounds before the panic.

:)

Solaratov on January 1, 2013 at 11:55 PM

Can Dear Leader get the h*ll back to Hawaii now?

d1carter on January 1, 2013 at 11:34 PM

d1carter:Talk about timing—:)
================================

President Obama heads to Hawaii after ‘fiscal cliff’ bill passes – @politico

1 min ago from http://www.politico.com by editor

canopfor on January 1, 2013 at 11:56 PM

I’m curious. What are you actually doing?

LegendHasIt on January 1, 2013 at 11:54 PM

Clearly more than White Noise.

Does that upset you? Or do you agree that sitting on the sidelines heckling everyone else is productive and helpful?

kim roy on January 1, 2013 at 11:56 PM

Electrongod on January 1, 2013 at 11:55 PM

Unfortunately I have a family member who is one of the moocher class.

I think she’s was switched at birth.

gophergirl on January 1, 2013 at 11:56 PM

You’re from California and you don’t know what a fruitcake is?
Adam Lambert, George Takei, Neil Patrick Harris ring any bells?

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 11:54 PM

Only if you mess with their clangers.

davidk on January 1, 2013 at 11:57 PM

This and the debt ceiling are next.

gophergirl on January 1, 2013 at 11:48 PM

There are people on twitter saying that Obama said “the debt ceiling is nonnegotiable.”

JPeterman on January 1, 2013 at 11:57 PM

The Kabuki Theater thanks you for watching this evening performance of “Political Fellatio: The Art of Surprise Sex with your Constitutes” and asks you to come again for next weeks Special Presentation of “The Art of Seppuku: Or how to Murder people who Trust you”….

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 11:12 PM

Actually, that’s opening on Thursday, noon Eastern.

Steve Eggleston on January 1, 2013 at 11:57 PM

I sound like a defeatist I know but I am all out of ideas…

I’ll observe all your ideas… and come to a conclusion.

Unless I max out CC’s I ain’t getting anything lol…

Not even vast expanses of TX land!!

Scrumpy on January 1, 2013 at 11:57 PM

You know what schad?

We can’t beat them, we are beating our heads up against a brick wall and it’s starting to hurt dammit!!

Scrumpy on January 1, 2013 at 11:39 PM

But you can starve them.

Schadenfreude on January 1, 2013 at 11:57 PM

http://www.rollcall.com/news/farm_bill_extension_is_added_to_fiscal_agreement-220437-1.html?pos=adp

davidk on January 1, 2013 at 11:56 PM

davidK:

They snuck it in!

Again,Boehner is dealing with Snakes!:)

canopfor on January 1, 2013 at 11:59 PM

Schadenfreude on January 1, 2013 at 11:57 PM

Yes we could, but will we?

I doubt it will happen, reality strikes fear into peoples hearts.

And I think you know what I mean on that score :-)

Scrumpy on January 1, 2013 at 11:59 PM

Good night gg

22044 on January 1, 2013 at 11:59 PM

If the rest of the nation wants nanny statism, they shall have it.

Who’s gonna stop them?

Scrumpy on January 1, 2013 at 11:53 PM

I hear ya…

I have lived path where my parents scrimped every asset they had..(not that I am special)
Then donated at church..
I didn’t understand it at first… (7 y/o)
But I came around..
Though I don’t go to church as often..

I to donate every chance I get..

I don’t see any harm in that..

But I will not condone being forced to do it…

I will not cave..

Electrongod on January 2, 2013 at 12:00 AM

Can’t beat ‘em join ‘em at their own game I say…

Scrumpy on January 1, 2013 at 11:44 PM

Maybe we should all just drop out, hide the assets…and sign up for food stamps, enroll in medicaid, whatever the “system” offers….

and just overload the system and wait for it to collapse.

Maybe even get an obamaphone…

Solaratov on January 2, 2013 at 12:00 AM

Now what?

C i v i l W a r?

Scrumpy on January 1, 2013 at 11:48 PM

No. Dissolution — because the structure is unsound and it gives way here and there — with the consequence of Civil Unrest. And Civil Disobedience salting here and there. Lot’s of uncivil civility, in other words, but no war. Not in the conventional sense, not this time. There are things required that are missing.

But lots of the ruin that would come from it anyway, so there’s that!

*crosses fingers*

Axe on January 2, 2013 at 12:01 AM

Smart people roll their own.

Bishop on January 1, 2013 at 11:42 PM

Smarter people bought 50,000 rounds before the panic.

:)

Solaratov on January 1, 2013 at 11:55 PM

Guilty, I did. But, I want more!

RovesChins on January 2, 2013 at 12:01 AM

*Not a required path even now, I should add. In my opinion.

Axe on January 2, 2013 at 12:01 AM

Charming. You admit you are here not to contribute anything useful, but to sit around and heckle when those who are actually trying to do something fail.

I suppose you will show up when things get fixed and enjoy the free ride on someone else’s hard work.

That sounds almost like… a liberal.

kim roy on January 1, 2013 at 11:51 PM

Heckle? Don’t be a fool. Have I lied? No I haven’t. And what exactly do you feel I should do? Tell people how to vote? That’s not an objective of mine. In the past it may have been, not anymore. My concern now is the truth. I point out the fact of betrayal time and again.

To what intent? To simply relay an unadulterated fact. One that might open a few eyes. Where that takes them, I don’t know, neither is it my place to tell them.

I relay a simple truth. It is up to the individual to do with it as he will.

I’m not a political operative. You are. And you call me a liberal, yet you fail to point out what effect your support of the GOP has brought upon this nation. It’s brought about massive liberalism/socialism.

Who’s the liberal?

The GOP will betray you

True_King on January 2, 2013 at 12:02 AM

Scrumpy on January 1, 2013 at 11:57 PM

No no, don’t max out your cards, in fact don’t buy jack if you don’t absolutely need it.

Tomorrow you hustle on down to the closest government office and request aid for everything whether you qualify or not, and I mean EVERYTHING.

Worst case scenario you use up an inordinate amount of clerk-time from the guvment drones, reducing their efficiency and driving up costs.

Best case is that you start getting those freebies, draining guvment resources. Best best case is that you get freebies you aren’t entitled to because some clerk missed a checkbox somewhere on your forms.

Make those mooching Bark voters PAY for what they’ve done.

Bishop on January 2, 2013 at 12:03 AM

kim roy on January 1, 2013 at 11:56 PM

Well, not so clearly. Perhaps you have in the past explained your actual activities in trying to fix the situation, but I haven’t seen them.

No doesn’t upset me at all. I’m just wondering what any of us peasants can actually do to fix the situation.

As far as I can see, the only thing useful that most of us can do of any practical value, given that the deck is completely stacked against us, is to try to prepare our own selves and families to weather the fecal storm that is inexorably down upon us.

LegendHasIt on January 2, 2013 at 12:03 AM

American Majority Action spokesman Ron Meyer told Breitbart News late Tuesday that enough House Republicans have banded together in an effort to unseat House Speaker John Boehner from his position–they just need a leader to take up the mantle.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/01/Sources-Enough-Republicans-willing-to-band-together-to-unseat-Speaker-John-Boehner-on-Thursday

davidk on January 2, 2013 at 12:03 AM

I’m here, as I stated early on, as an observer, one amazed by the insanity of it all.

True_King on January 1, 2013 at 11:47 PM

There’s a special place in hell…reserved for those who remain neutral.

Solaratov on January 2, 2013 at 12:04 AM

House GOP leaders scrap vote on disaster aid bill for states hit by Hurricane Sandy – @politico

3 mins ago from http://www.politico.com by editor

canopfor on January 2, 2013 at 12:05 AM

Electrongod on January 2, 2013 at 12:00 AM

You are a strong capable man… you do what you must! I applaud your fortitude…
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Solaratov on January 2, 2013 at 12:00 AM

I was thinking that, but it isn’t the answer either…even tho I thought it for a few moments…
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Axe on January 2, 2013 at 12:01 AM

That’s about all we can do in reality, cross our fingers…

Scrumpy on January 2, 2013 at 12:05 AM

Smarter people bought 50,000 rounds before the panic.

:)

Solaratov on January 1, 2013 at 11:55 PM

The smartest did both.

Not that I didn’t immediately lose all that ammo during a terrible cockroach attack on my house, those little buggers just carried it all away.

Bishop on January 2, 2013 at 12:05 AM

Smarter people bought 50,000 rounds before the panic.

:)

Solaratov on January 1, 2013 at 11:55 PM

We have 150,000 rds or so of .223 stashed away. Kind of helps when someone in the family used to work for ATK and is a part owner in a Shooting Range.

SWalker on January 2, 2013 at 12:06 AM

We have 150,000 rds or so of .223 stashed away.

SWalker on January 2, 2013 at 12:06 AM

Piker.

I shoot that in a weekend.

Bishop on January 2, 2013 at 12:07 AM

Now what?

C i v i l W a r?

Scrumpy on January 1, 2013 at 11:48 PM

I picked this through angrymike’s blog: http://www.bob-owens.com/2012/12/what-youll-see-in-the-rebellion/

davidk on January 2, 2013 at 12:07 AM

Smarter people bought 50,000 rounds before the panic.

:)

Solaratov on January 1, 2013 at 11:55 PM

The smartest did both.

Not that I didn’t immediately lose all that ammo during a terrible cockroach attack on my house, those little buggers just carried it all away.

Bishop on January 2, 2013 at 12:05 AM

I’ve heard something about cockroaches and Cher….are you sure it wasn’t Cher?

RovesChins on January 2, 2013 at 12:07 AM

George Takei, Neil Patrick Harris ring any bells?

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 11:54 PM

Ohhhh Mmmyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Tim_CA on January 2, 2013 at 12:07 AM

Now what?

C i v i l W a r?

Scrumpy on January 1, 2013 at 11:48 PM

It’s what our fearless leader seems to want.

But I believe that he’ll find that it’s one thing to “crush” his opposition in Illinois…but quite another to try it on a nationwide scale.

Solaratov on January 2, 2013 at 12:08 AM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on January 2, 2013 at 12:10 AM

Bishop on January 2, 2013 at 12:03 AM

So you do think that’s the way to go?

I thought it for a few moments, and all things considered, I would more than qualify for a ton of stuff!

But I have also seen people who are living in subsidized housing, on food stamps and medicaid and barely making it, I am talking folk my age…

I am not some young chick who can spit out babies and get paid for doing it!

I have looked at it realistically and I would get approx 830$ a month not counting rent subsidy and a bare minimum of food stamps of about 35$ to 40$…

All things considered, I would be 100% disabled, which I also have not tried to get as of yet.

I do however qualify for and use Tricare for my medical.

Scrumpy on January 2, 2013 at 12:10 AM

The smartest did both.

Not that I didn’t immediately lose all that ammo during a terrible cockroach attack on my house, those little buggers just carried it all away.

Bishop on January 2, 2013 at 12:05 AM

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/01/Reminder-Sen-Feinstein-Said-She-Wants-All-Guns-Banned

davidk on January 2, 2013 at 12:10 AM

Awesome. So you have no ideas, but you’re positive that my ideas are wrong, even though you don’t even know what they are.

Why are you even here, again? I mean, besides being an anti-Semite (must suck that Cantor voted no, huh?).

Good Solid B-Plus on January 1, 2013 at 11:54 PM

That’s all you’ve got isn’t it? You’re reduced to name calling and making false accusations. And because you choose a lie, your corruption will further add to the degradation of this nation.

And we know what you’re ideas are. They are whatever the GOP happens to do. Your idea is to react in fear to media backlash, to bad optics, regardless of the lack of principle it may mean.

And where has this gotten us?

You’re way has been a failure that is before us now, has been for years, but only now are your followers actually beginning to see it. Now that it’s too late.

You’ve done tremendous damage to this nation, and all you’ve got is to slander someone for speaking the truth about things that make you look bad. That show your complicity in the destruction of your country. As if slander will stop the truth from getting out.

That’s what you’re GOP has reduced you to.

This is a different time. This is now the age clarity, one of lies, and one of truth. Of socialism and liberty. Where will you stand? So far, you’ve stood with socialism.

The GOP will betray you

True_King on January 2, 2013 at 12:11 AM

SWalker on January 2, 2013 at 12:06 AM

Piker.

I shoot that in a weekend.

Bishop on January 2, 2013 at 12:07 AM

I did mention that it was stashed away at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean just off the Arizona coast, right? Damned Freak boating accident… See ya at the range

SWalker on January 2, 2013 at 12:12 AM


What the “fiscal cliff” bill means to taxpayers

Updated at 11:16 p.m. ET
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(MoneyWatch) The Senate passed a deal to address the so-called “fiscal cliff” 90 minutes after the midnight deadline by a vote of 89 to 8. The bill then moved to the House of Representatives, which passed the measure 257-167 late Tuesday night.

In addition to the tax changes, the Senate and House agreed to a two-month delay in addressing $110 billion in government spending cuts (aka the “sequester”), which were due to go into effect Jan. 2. Some government agencies had already made arrangements to comply with the cuts, not knowing whether or not a deal would occur.

The plan would raise roughly $600 billion in taxes over 10 years, far less than the more than $2 trillion in revenue initially discussed by President Barack Obama and House Speaker John Boehner.

According to CBS News White House correspondent Mark Knoller, the Congressional Budget Office scoring of the bill projects a $329 billion increase in deficit in 2013; $3.9 trillion over 10 years.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_162-57561480/what-the-fiscal-cliff-bill-means-to-taxpayers/

canopfor on January 2, 2013 at 12:12 AM

Scrumpy on January 1, 2013 at 11:54 PM

It’s beginning to sound like an…adventure. ;-)

Solaratov on January 2, 2013 at 12:12 AM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on January 2, 2013 at 12:10 AM

Evening Dire. You come most carefully upon your hour. :) A bloody night, a cold and cutting night. Yonder the weeping. Around the fires, faces of hope. The sorcerer Egg has walked about, counting on his fingers, and Bishop eyes the badlands with lust.

Axe on January 2, 2013 at 12:13 AM

davidk on January 2, 2013 at 12:07 AM

I have read that, I fear that…

Scrumpy on January 2, 2013 at 12:13 AM

“With the population aging and health care costs per person likely to keep growing faster than the economy [gross domestic product], the United States cannot sustain the federal spending programs that are now in place with the federal taxes (as a share of GDP) that it has been accustomed to paying.”

- CBO

Resist We Much on January 2, 2013 at 12:13 AM

Looking at Twitter. I only follow 14 people but I’m seeing quite a few new tweets.

22044 on January 2, 2013 at 12:14 AM

Under current federal law, 60 watt and 40 watt bulbs will be gone by 2014. We’ll instead have to buy Compact Fluorescent Light Bulbs (CFLs) or Light-Emitting Diode bulbs (LEDs). Only the slightly more expensive versions don’t hum or emit cold-looking light.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/01/Lightbulb-dead

davidk on January 2, 2013 at 12:14 AM

Axe on January 2, 2013 at 12:13 AM

Love your way with words! You are a grand wordsmith!!

((Still reading the poem))… :-) Castle of Indolence…

Scrumpy on January 2, 2013 at 12:15 AM

Scrumpy on January 2, 2013 at 12:10 AM

You don’t need to get it all, just apply for everything and see what happens.

Do whatever you can such as requesting “free” government pamphlets be sent to you and every address on your block. There are soooo many legal ways to hammer the beast, you just need to do a little research.

The grifters voted for more government so give them what they want. But government needs to be paid for and they should get that too, help them along.

Bishop on January 2, 2013 at 12:15 AM

There are people on twitter saying that Obama said “the debt ceiling is nonnegotiable.”

JPeterman on January 1, 2013 at 11:57 PM

Given tonight’s performance by the republicans…that’s probably true.

Solaratov on January 2, 2013 at 12:16 AM

Charming. You admit you are here not to contribute anything useful, but to sit around and heckle when those who are actually trying to do something fail.

I suppose you will show up when things get fixed and enjoy the free ride on someone else’s hard work.

That sounds almost like… a liberal.

kim roy on January 1, 2013 at 11:51 PM

Brings me back to those insipid arguments from so many during the primaries. I hated most of you then but now I despise you.

Take your Romneys and shove them.

Obama is where he is not because he won. There was No One with a pair to beat that underdeveloped narcissistic teenager azzhole.

Schadenfreude on January 2, 2013 at 12:17 AM

Well, not so clearly. Perhaps you have in the past explained your actual activities in trying to fix the situation, but I haven’t seen them.

No doesn’t upset me at all. I’m just wondering what any of us peasants can actually do to fix the situation.

As far as I can see, the only thing useful that most of us can do of any practical value, given that the deck is completely stacked against us, is to try to prepare our own selves and families to weather the fecal storm that is inexorably down upon us.

LegendHasIt on January 2, 2013 at 12:03 AM

What we all can do is to spread the conservative word and rebut media BS.

Another thing we can all do is not to support obvious liberal causes – for instance I do not get HBO in my home and am careful where I spend my money.

Your last paragraph is the most important things that we all need to do – take care of ourselves, friends and families.

It’s not what we do singularly that’s as important as what we can do collectively if we can get our acts together. That’s why the liberals don’t do anything alone, they do it in groups. That’s why for a while the TEA Party was so effective.

kim roy on January 2, 2013 at 12:17 AM

See ya tomorrow HA friends…

Got some family time to experience..

I love it….

Electrongod on January 2, 2013 at 12:18 AM

davidk on January 2, 2013 at 12:07 AM

I have read that, I fear that…

Scrumpy on January 2, 2013 at 12:13 AM

Only a fool would not.

But knowledge is power. I appreciated the insight, the opportunity to learn what to expect so as to be better prepared.

davidk on January 2, 2013 at 12:18 AM

True_King on January 2, 2013 at 12:11 AM

I shall call you “white noise” from now on – droning in the background, but with no discernible use or purpose.

kim roy on January 2, 2013 at 12:20 AM

That’s why for a while the TEA Party was so effective.

kim roy on January 2, 2013 at 12:17 AM

The TEA party, Taxed Enough Already, was mustarded on, from Boehner on down.

It was just reawakened today…maybe.

If it fights in 2014 all the congress will be replaced, from the right to the squishy center. If not, the land will go to Hades faster.

Rome lasted so much longer.

Schadenfreude on January 2, 2013 at 12:21 AM

The GOP will betray you

True_King on January 2, 2013 at 12:11 AM

rofl..:)

Dire Straits on January 2, 2013 at 12:22 AM

See ya tomorrow HA friends…

Got some family time to experience..

I love it….

Electrongod on January 2, 2013 at 12:18 AM

Electrongod:Nite EG,I’m heading out too:)

canopfor on January 2, 2013 at 12:22 AM

((Still reading the poem))… :-) Castle of Indolence…

Scrumpy on January 2, 2013 at 12:15 AM

Thanks! That was a really nice compliment. :) But now I have to point out “You come most carefully upon your hour” is from Hamlet lest I am accused of being a “pseud” — like Resist got accused of being once, which is when and where I learned the word “pseud,” a word I could do without. Freaking trolls.

Axe on January 2, 2013 at 12:22 AM

Axe on January 2, 2013 at 12:13 AM

lolz..That sounds serious..:)

Dire Straits on January 2, 2013 at 12:22 AM

Electrongod on January 2, 2013 at 12:18 AM

Good night EG!! Enjoy… and thanks for all you say!!

Scrumpy on January 2, 2013 at 12:23 AM

Brings me back to those insipid arguments from so many during the primaries. I hated most of you then but now I despise you.

Take your Romneys and shove them.

Obama is where he is not because he won. There was No One with a pair to beat that underdeveloped narcissistic teenager azzhole.

Schadenfreude on January 2, 2013 at 12:17 AM

You directing that at me? Because I supported Romney over Obama in the general? I won’t apologize for believing that Romney was a better choice than Obama.

As for the primary, you must be thinking of someone else because I actually supported Cain and then Gingrich before Cain got bimboed.

Glad to clear that up for you.

kim roy on January 2, 2013 at 12:23 AM

canopfor on January 2, 2013 at 12:22 AM

Good evening..Happy New Year..:)

Dire Straits on January 2, 2013 at 12:23 AM

davidk on January 2, 2013 at 12:18 AM

That it is. Fore warned is fore armed…

Scrumpy on January 2, 2013 at 12:24 AM

That’s what you’re GOP has reduced you to.

This is a different time. This is now the age clarity, one of lies, and one of truth. Of socialism and liberty. Where will you stand? So far, you’ve stood with socialism.

The GOP will betray you

True_King on January 2, 2013 at 12:11 AM

Sniping from the sidelines while offering no useful ideas = “standing for liberty”?

Lulz.

That’s all you’ve got isn’t it? You’re reduced to name calling and making false accusations. And because you choose a lie, your corruption will further add to the degradation of this nation.

True_King on January 2, 2013 at 12:11 AM

False accusations? You have repeatedly posted verbatim the anti-Semitic myth thats today’s Jews are “Khazars,’ which is a piece of rhetoric taken right from Stromfront. Here’s just one example:

Educate yourself lady. You’re in desperate need of a history lesson in Israelite tribal migrations. Ignorance is bliss, especially when it allows you to falsely accuse others of things you know nothing about. It’s a shame that a Mexican of Opati Indian descent like yours truly knows more about Caucasian tribal migrations than a descendant of true Israel like yourself.

Do you not know who the Khazar-Kenites are? Do you not know that modern claimants of the tribe of Judah are actually 90%+ converts? Cannot you not make the distinction between true Judah and those of Revelations 2:9 and 3:9? What do you think the controversy of Zion is all about (Isaiah 34:8)?

(Rev 2:9) I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan.

(Rev 3:9) Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

As you can see by the two verses above, your contention is with Jesus Christ (true Judah, not of Khazarian descent), not me.

Besides, you KNOW the GOP will continue to betray you, and you’ll gladly take it. It’s all you know.

True_King on March 23, 2011 at 10:06 AM

This is not the sage advice of a political Cassandra whom we should all heed; these are the rantings of a Jew-hating lunatic. You continue to only betray yourself, True King.

Good Solid B-Plus on January 2, 2013 at 12:24 AM

Got some family time to experience..

I love it….

Electrongod on January 2, 2013 at 12:18 AM

Later Electron.

Axe on January 2, 2013 at 12:25 AM

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