Quotes of the day

posted at 8:01 pm on January 1, 2013 by Allahpundit

House Speaker John A. Boehner kicked off the 112th Congress by saying Americans are ready for an adult conversation on spending and deficits.

Two years later, that broader conversation has yet to happen, either in the country or in the halls of Congress, where lawmakers were poised Monday to once again nibble at the deficit but shy away from fundamental reforms…

“Instead of having a president who runs around saying we’re going to stick it to rich people, what we really need are honest people to go around the country and say to people, ‘If you are working class or you are retired, the government is stealing from you,’” the Kentucky Republican said on the Senate floor. “Why do prices go up? Because we run a deficit up here giving you free stuff, we print up money to pay for it, and that steals value from what you have.”

***

The “fiscal cliff” is a massive failure of presidential leadership. The tedious and technical negotiations are but a subplot in a larger drama. Government can no longer fulfill all the promises it has made to various constituencies. Some promises will be reduced or disavowed. Which ones? Why? Only the president can pose these questions in a way that starts a national conversation over the choices to be made, but doing so requires the president to tell people things they don’t want to hear. That’s his job: to help Americans face unavoidable, if unpleasant, realities. Barack Obama has refused to play this role

Until Obama conspicuously and consistently acknowledges these realities in straightforward and unmistakable language — something he hasn’t done and shows no signs of doing — he cannot be said to be dealing honestly with the budget or with the American people. The main reason that we keep having these destructive and inconclusive budget confrontations is not simply that many Republicans have been intransigent on taxes. The larger cause is that Obama refuses to concede that Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are driving future spending and deficits. So when Republicans make concessions on taxes (as they have), they get little in return. Naturally, this poisons the negotiating climate…

Unfortunately, much of the media have accepted the Obama narrative that it’s only Republican rigidity that frustrates negotiations and leads to deadlock. This means, of course, that there’s even less incentive for Obama and congressional Democrats to engage in genuine bargaining.

***

[W]e have crossed the Rubicon of political reality. The president holds a cheerleading session to ridicule Congress, not one plan offered makes even the smallest dent in our economic disaster, cynical political ploys by Harry Reid torpedo possible agreements — all these petty politicians fiddle while America burns. And then, we’re supposed to believe that a last-second deal responsibly solves the problem from a bunch of bickerers who had months (years, really) to tackle the issue?

Our crisis is political, not economic. Politics is ultimately a moral exercise, no matter what it deals with. Leaders are stewards of our social patrimony. What we see in Washington today is not gridlock. It is collapse. It is the final triumph of political theater over political reality, of ignorance over reasoned governing, of self-interest over principle. A $12 trillion economy and 230-plus-year history can survive a great deal of abuse and neglect. But history proves no state is immune from the self-inflicted idiocy of its leaders or people. Just how long we will survive in this state is now a proposition fully engaged. It is the great social experiment of the 21st century.

***

None of the deals proposed to save us from falling off the mythical cliff would make even a tiny dent in our on-going trillion dollar deficits, which is what this exercise was supposed to be all about. The final battle has now been postponed until February or March, when we hit the debt ceiling.

Republicans hope to get spending cuts from the president in return for agreeing to an increase in the debt ceiling, and the president plans to force Republicans to accept tax increases so that in the absence of spending cuts the ceiling will not be pierced. All of which means a continuation of the uncertainty that has become part of the new normal, which has big business sitting on its piles of cash, and small businesses wondering whether they dare take on new employees. The private sector will have to overcome substantial political headwinds to produce a meaningful growth rate in 2013.

Of course, in the end the enemy is us: We elect and reelect the vast majority of those who are presiding over this policy mess. It is as if the Jets decide to keep the current coaching staff and player roster after their woeful performance this season; as if Wizards fans find ways to express overwhelming satisfaction with the current cast of characters that represent them at the Verizon Center; as if we come to agree with many Europeans who regard Jimmy Carter as the most distinguished former president, and demand his return to political life.

***

Ultimately, we should blame the American voters. The average Medicare couple pays $109,000 into the program and gets $343,000 in benefits out, according to the Urban Institute. This is $234,000 in free money. Many voters have decided they like spending a lot on themselves and pushing costs onto their children and grandchildren. They have decided they like borrowing up to $1 trillion a year for tax credits, disability payments, defense contracts and the rest. They have found that the original Keynesian rationale for these deficits provides a perfect cover for permanent deficit-living. They have made it clear that they will destroy any politician who tries to stop them from cost-shifting in this way.

Most members of Congress are responding efficiently to the popular will. A large number of reactionary Democrats reject any measure to touch Medicare or other entitlement programs. A large number of impotent Republicans talk about reducing the debt, but are incapable of forging a deal that balances tax increases with spending cuts.

The events of the past few weeks demonstrate that these political pressures overwhelm the few realists looking for a more ambitious bargain. The country either doesn’t know or doesn’t care about the burdens we are placing on our children. No coalition of leaders has successfully confronted the voters, and made them heedful of the ruin they are bringing upon the nation.

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You can blame the spineless politicians all you like, and I will happily blame them right along with you. But the fact is, this giant pile of irresponsible debt is what this increasingly soulless and immoral country wants. The longer we do this, the more we are wrecking our children’s futures. And tra la la, nobody seems to care. We’re going to “get the millionaires who are doing pretty well to do a little more,” to use the Huckster in Chief’s well worn phrase, and meanwhile the do-nothings who contribute zero to our society get to keep sucking on the socialist teat. And this is what we want, as a country. This is what we voted for

Our children’s futures are wasting away in front of our eyes, and nobody gives a damn, as long as we can keep injecting those sweet, sweet government benefits into our bloodstream. Just close your eyes and feel the calm wash over you, and try not to think about the small child gasping for air at your feet.

Ahhhh. Doesn’t it feel good, folks?


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House Speaker John A. Boehner kicked off the 112th Congress by saying Americans are ready for an adult conversation on spending and deficits.

lol…

Always open with a joke!

Tim_CA on January 1, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Our country needs to divide. We need some sort of fire wall. We need to have some place that DC cant touch.

Weight of Glory on January 1, 2013 at 8:06 PM

…that picture of JugEars… should be the official portrait!

KOOLAID2 on January 1, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Ultimately, we should blame the American voters. The average Medicare couple pays $109,000 into the program and gets $343,000 in benefits out, according to the Urban Institute. This is $234,000 in free money. Many voters have decided they like spending a lot on themselves and pushing costs onto their children and grandchildren. They have decided they like borrowing up to $1 trillion a year for tax credits, disability payments, defense contracts and the rest. They have found that the original Keynesian rationale for these deficits provides a perfect cover for permanent deficit-living. They have made it clear that they will destroy any politician who tries to stop them from cost-shifting in this way.

I think I’m going to be sick. I agree with Brooks.

Happy New Year, AP, and to everyone else here at Hot Gas. Even though it didn’t go well in 2012, it’s been a pleasure to do it with the folks here and the fine staff.

kim roy on January 1, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Boehner needs to play this game like Jim Craig in the 1980 Olympics. Prevent Dems from scoring!

Mr. Joe on January 1, 2013 at 8:08 PM

But history proves no state is immune from the self-inflicted idiocy of its leaders or people.

Great quote.

ted c on January 1, 2013 at 8:09 PM

House Speaker John A. Boehner kicked off the 112th Congress by saying Americans are ready for an adult conversation on spending and deficits…and then the Speaker cried!

lol…

Always open with a joke!

Tim_CA on January 1, 2013 at 8:05 PM

KOOLAID2 on January 1, 2013 at 8:09 PM

I want to hear Obama sing…

Electrongod on January 1, 2013 at 8:10 PM

We crossed the political rubicon of reality Jan 20,2009 AP.

wolly4321 on January 1, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Happy New Year, AP, and to everyone else here at Hot Gas. Even though it didn’t go well in 2012, it’s been a pleasure to do it with the folks here and the fine staff.

kim roy on January 1, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Ditto..
Can’t wait for this crap to spread…
The ObamaPhone Women will be immune..
But not the Program…

Electrongod on January 1, 2013 at 8:12 PM

‘Journal News’ hires armed security guards [gun control hypocrites]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2974042/posts

The Journal News of West Nyack, N.Y., has hired armed security guards to defend its offices after receiving a torrent of phone calls and emails responding to the paper’s publication of the names and addresses of area residents with pistol permits.

Last month, in the wake of last month’s elementary school shooting in Newtown, Conn., the Gannett-owned Journal News published interactive maps showing the names and addresses of pistol permit holders in New York’s Westchester and Rockland counties. Conservatives and gun rights advocates publicly protested the paper’s move; on Monday, the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association called for a nationwide boycott of the paper’s advertisers, calling it a “wanton act” that “has put in harm’s way tens of thousands of lawful license holders.”

Southern by choice22 on January 1, 2013 at 8:15 PM

. That’s his job: to help Americans face unavoidable, if unpleasant, realities. Barack Obama has refused to play this role…

There’s some extra Poy going bad in Hawaii..

Electrongod on January 1, 2013 at 8:15 PM

I simply can’t move to the middle of nowhere fast enough. I always feel like I need something more. One more gun, more ammo, more canned and dry goods,, and on and on.
I knew it was coming. I’ll have to make do.

wolly4321 on January 1, 2013 at 8:16 PM

With or without sequestration, spending will grow and the politicians will call it a cut. They just help the populace fool themselves into believing what they want to believe. Though I agree, this is what the people want.

Fenris on January 1, 2013 at 8:18 PM

I want to hear Obama sing…

Electrongod on January 1, 2013 at 8:10 PM

….DAISY ?

KOOLAID2 on January 1, 2013 at 8:18 PM

….DAISY ?

KOOLAID2 on January 1, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Yes.,..

The trolls here won’t do it….

Electrongod on January 1, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Wasn’t a believer before, now think we definitely need a new Speaker. Eric Cantor, Paul Ryan, just someone other than Boehner.

Stunning to me that McConnell let the Dems shove all those renewable energy tax giveaways into the Senate “compromise” bill. This bill is really brazenly larded-up with pork.

Anyway, W.A.S.S.

The one itsy-bitsy, tiny silver lining to this deal, is that with the sequester delayed and now co-incident with the debt limit increase vote, that McConnell & Boehner have some leverage.

Robert_Paulson on January 1, 2013 at 8:20 PM

What the heck are y’all doin’ here?

cozmo on January 1, 2013 at 8:20 PM

What the heck are y’all doin’ here?

cozmo on January 1, 2013 at 8:20 PM

…Having a Happy New Year !

KOOLAID2 on January 1, 2013 at 8:22 PM

$20+ trillion in debt with a collapsed dollar?

Lamp posts and walls time.

wolly4321 on January 1, 2013 at 8:23 PM

Let’s face it. We’re screwed. We don’t have the Aliens’ option of: “I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.”

Mojave Mark on January 1, 2013 at 8:23 PM

In case you’re wondering what day it is, it’s not New Year’s.

It’s the end of Election Day.

Obama does not just defeat someone at the polls; he humiliates and even destroys an opponent if he can.

He made it impossible for Ryan to ever run for office in IL. He conned Hillary into leaving the Senate, and then gave all the real responsibilities to special envoys while she attended ladies’ teas in Africa.

The GOP should of course fight on, but the Dems and MSM will constantly remind the GOP that this vote was their “first time,” and from now on they’re just slutty tax raisers like the rest of the politicians in DC.

Wethal on January 1, 2013 at 8:24 PM

…Having a Happy New Year !

KOOLAID2 on January 1, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Well, stop it!

I wrote that would not be here for a while and since all y’all are a sock puppet of mine in one form or t’other, y’all should not be here either.

Doin’ this on anything other than a desktop is kind of a pain.

cozmo on January 1, 2013 at 8:25 PM

What the heck are y’all doin’ here?

cozmo on January 1, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Hopin’ that the Snow doggies gnaw the warm-climate Injuns.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 1, 2013 at 8:27 PM

Bells are ringing on House floor — usually means House is coming back into session within 15 minutes. The Rules Committee was working on how to bring the Senate Bill to the House floor.

CoffeeLover on January 1, 2013 at 8:27 PM

So…
225+ years ago..
Men gave their lives for the next Generation’s freedom..

Today….

Men are allowed to dye for this Generation’s food stamps..

Happy _______

Electrongod on January 1, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Let’s face it. We’re screwed. We don’t have the Aliens’ option of: “I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.”

Mojave Mark on January 1, 2013 at 8:23 PM

“Genuine” The Federal Agent, Marxist Douchebag and Obamaphile should be here momentarily to inform you and everyone else what a coward you are if you don’t hang and shot someone right NOW.

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Seriously,, how long do we have?

wolly4321 on January 1, 2013 at 8:28 PM

dye = die…

What was I thinkin’?

Electrongod on January 1, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Obama eats dogs

Slade73 on January 1, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Seriously,, how long do we have?

wolly4321 on January 1, 2013 at 8:28 PM

When you get uninvited guests at your house…

Electrongod on January 1, 2013 at 8:30 PM

When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.

We have been on a downhill slide for a long long time and are just now crashing into the bottom of the ravine.

Can’t even afford bread and circuses for the hoi polloi to keep their minds off how bad they’ve got it.

All self-inflicted, you know.

Maybe the next incarnation of the Republic will figure out how to get it Right.

coldwarrior on January 1, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Hopin’ that the Snow doggies gnaw the warm-climate Injuns.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 1, 2013 at 8:27 PM

They sure did gnaw on me! Just got away from the not so great white north.

At least it ain’t snowin’ in Kentucky.

cozmo on January 1, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Instead of photos of Obama on the front page, I’d like to see that shaded silhouette ‘Mystery Man’ that comes up on some sites that use Gravatar. That way I won’t have to keep seeing his face, and it works for him to be depicted by the empty suit.

INC on January 1, 2013 at 8:31 PM

Hopin’ that the Snow doggies gnaw the warm-climate Injuns.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 1, 2013 at 8:27 PM

Mush!

davidk on January 1, 2013 at 8:31 PM

Seriously,, how long do we have?

wolly4321 on January 1, 2013 at 8:28 PM

When you get uninvited guests at your house…

Electrongod on January 1, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Dave’s not here.

davidk on January 1, 2013 at 8:32 PM

What the black Jesus wants. Spend spend spend till it all crashes. Then the totalitarians take over. No shots fired.

Hummer53 on January 1, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Vote out all incumbents during every election. Baby, bath water, everything must go.

Christien on January 1, 2013 at 8:33 PM

I noticed that a few people had the temerity to post before me.

They will pay dearly. Not that I am as vicious as the Bishop.

SparkPlug on January 1, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Obama does not just defeat someone at the polls; he humiliates and even destroys an opponent if he can….

Wethal on January 1, 2013 at 8:24 PM

That is absolutely true—he has left a trail of political carnage. His petty vindictiveness is stunning in its extent and in its flagrant openness.

INC on January 1, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Off topic to get of the edge of the cliff for a second…. a new study says that those that are moderately obese live LONGER than those of normal weight. Amazing, excerpt: (Reuters Health) – “In a review of almost 100 past studies covering nearly three million people, researchers found that being overweight or slightly obese was linked to about a 6 percent lower risk of dying, compared to people considered normal weight.” Tell that to Bloomberg and all the know-it-all soda banners and lifestyle dictators. Let people make their own choices!

anotherJoe on January 1, 2013 at 8:36 PM

The average Medicare couple pays $109,000 into the program and gets $343,000 in benefits out, according to the Urban Institute. This is $234,000 in free money. Many voters have decided they like spending a lot on themselves and pushing costs onto their children and grandchildren

That’s exactly the attitude of everyone who’s so worried about this “compromise” passing. Own it folks. You’re afraid of your cushy lifestyles being interrupted. Afraid you might lose your own precious job – so you’ll sell your soul to GOP Ayatollahs who sell your children out to Dimmocrits.

Own it folks. If you aren’t willing to accept the pain now – if you aren’t willing to say … NOT A PENNY MORE! Then you’re a part of the problem and not part of the solution.

HondaV65 on January 1, 2013 at 8:36 PM

http://thewildernessofmirrors.wordpress.com/2013/01/01/the-gop-leaderships-betrayal-of-america/

I found this on the internet. Its by SWalker.

SparkPlug on January 1, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Vote out all incumbents during every election. Baby, bath water, everything must go.

Christien on January 1, 2013 at 8:33 PM

I agree.

SparkPlug on January 1, 2013 at 8:37 PM

SparkPlug on January 1, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Good for you!

cozmo on January 1, 2013 at 8:37 PM

The uninvited guest will have a 5 mile drive up the driveway where I’m going. I’m just wondering if I even have a year to get there.

wolly4321 on January 1, 2013 at 8:37 PM

petty …..
INC on January 1, 2013 at 8:34 PM

That is Obama in one word.

CW on January 1, 2013 at 8:37 PM

HondaV65 on January 1, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Nope, I’m having one last blast before Armageddon.

cozmo on January 1, 2013 at 8:39 PM

I want to hear Obama sing…

Electrongod on January 1, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Here you go—Obama, Reid, McConnell and Boehner give us the full Monty

arnold ziffel on January 1, 2013 at 8:39 PM

Newtopia just proved the point of this thread:

77% of us will see our taxes RISE with this bill. Payroll tax break is eliminated for a good chunk earning over $50k.

newtopia on January 1, 2013 at 7:49 PM

I replied:

Oh, boo-hoo! So, you think that you should be entitled to Social Security and Medicare for free? Spoken like a Prog, who believes that we should turn both SS/MC into welfare programmes and send the bill to the “evil rich.” Well, let me tell you something, luv, there aren’t enough rich people — or, indeed, people — to keep you in the style to which you believe you should be accustomed for “free”!

If you lived in the UK and made $50,000, you’d be paying ~ $10,500 in income taxes, $6,039 in National Insurance taxes, a 20% VAT, council taxes, and other assorted taxes. The US has the most progressive tax system in the world so consider yourself lucky that you are only having your payroll taxes returning to what they were 2 years ago.

The US’ whole “we want a European welfare hammock, but American tax system” is soon going to crash and the middle class had better wise up and fast. Just as Willie Sutton robbed banks “because that’s where the money (was),” governments rob the middle class because that’s where the money is.

So, cry me a bloody river already! If you don’t want to pay payroll taxes, eliminate SS/MC.

He responded:

I thought conservatives were for lower taxes? I guess you’ve got a serious man-crush on Boehner.

newtopia on January 1, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Me:

Don’t give up your day job. They’ll throw tomatoes at you in the comedy club.

FWIW, I am a libertarian, not a conservative.

I am for lower taxes, but I believe in balanced budgets. Americans voted for Big Government. Now, let them pay for it.

If it were up to me, I would eliminate your precious Social Security and Medicare…in their entirety…TODAY…along with every other welfare and subsidy programme of every kind on the Federal level. But, that’s just me. Evidently, you – like the Obamaphone lady – luv you sum of the “Super-Size Me, Obama!” programme, which means: “I want an extra large of everything and give the bill to the guy standing in the queue behind me.”

Because I am a strong WOMAN – not woe-is-me-man – I DESPISE weak and whiny men like Boehner and, apparently, you.

That’s the problem. There are too many Newtopias and not enough responsible people. A couple of weeks ago, I read a poll where 52% of Democrats said that they would not support cuts or changes of ANY kind to either SS/MC even if it meant passing on trillions of dollars of debt to their own children and grandchildren.

It is beyond shameful

Resist We Much on January 1, 2013 at 8:40 PM

cozmo on January 1, 2013 at 8:37 PM

I hereby grant you permission to post before me. The only condition is that if the Twerp tries to bite me you will step in and prevent those nasty lacerations.

SparkPlug on January 1, 2013 at 8:41 PM

anotherJoe on January 1, 2013 at 8:36 PM

So normal weight people have a 106% chance of dying?

Fenris on January 1, 2013 at 8:42 PM

I posted this twice already, once last night and earlier today.

Here is what the House should do;

NOTHING

Until the Senate passes a budget, NOTHING.
Do not vote for a single item. Fiscal Cliff – No.
Debt Limit Increase – No
Continuing Resolution – No
Confirmation Hearings – No
Shut the whole thing down until the Senate and the President does their Constitutional Mandated Duties.

Explain it to the American people exactly what you are doing and why, let the Dems take the heat.
Do NOTHING until we get a budget.

D-fusit on January 1, 2013 at 8:44 PM

The good news is I can have a German sheppard in the boondocks.

wolly4321 on January 1, 2013 at 8:44 PM

Obama does not just defeat someone at the polls; he humiliates and even destroys an opponent if he can….

Wethal on January 1, 2013 at 8:24 PM

Wouldn’t it be swell if King Obama treated our enemies the same way?

JPeterman on January 1, 2013 at 8:44 PM

Resist We Much on January 1, 2013 at 8:40 PM

I’m 42. I don’t expect SS to be there anyway. I’d rather not stick my son and future-VERY future- grandchildren with debt.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 1, 2013 at 8:44 PM

Comfortably numb… (props to Pink Floyd)

College Prof on January 1, 2013 at 8:44 PM

Own it folks. If you aren’t willing to accept the pain now – if you aren’t willing to say … NOT A PENNY MORE! Then you’re a part of the problem and not part of the solution.

HondaV65 on January 1, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Says the Obama voter who apparently can also read minds and hearts.

FOAD.

And no, I’m not going to apologize for telling an Obama voter to FOAD even though it seems to bruise the tender sensibilities of a few posters here.

kim roy on January 1, 2013 at 8:46 PM

We have reached the point where temporarily averting self-inflicted disasters at the last second is a political success.

H/t: my cut and paste plagiarizer button

SparkPlug on January 1, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Obama does not just defeat someone at the polls; he humiliates and even destroys an opponent if he can….

Wethal on January 1, 2013 at 8:24 PM

Wouldn’t it be swell if King Obama treated our enemies the same way?

JPeterman on January 1, 2013 at 8:44 PM

Sorry, he only treats his enemies that way… That would be us Tax paying Americans.

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 8:48 PM

FOAD.

And no, I’m not going to apologize for telling an Obama voter to FOAD even though it seems to bruise the tender sensibilities of a few posters here.

kim roy on January 1, 2013 at 8:46 PM

I take it that doesn’t mean Foreign Object Damagea as applied to aircraft engines?

Just funnin ya. FOAD is one of my favorite farewells. :)

arnold ziffel on January 1, 2013 at 8:49 PM

What is going on? Are we screwed to the nines or are we FUBAR’d beyond all recognition.

SparkPlug on January 1, 2013 at 8:49 PM

House Speaker John A. Boehner kicked off the 112th Congress by saying Americans are ready for an adult conversation on spending and deficits.

lol…

Always open with a joke!

Tim_CA on January 1, 2013 at 8:05 PM

The sicker, the better.

Steve Eggleston on January 1, 2013 at 8:50 PM

SparkPlug on January 1, 2013 at 8:41 PM

No can do. I ain’t very good on this laptop thing. Cannot seem to make the same words appear that I am trying to write.

If I didn’t already know a guy with the “allthumbs” moniker, I would be using it myself for the times I use a laptop.

I’m gonna’ keep things short and sweet for now.

Besides, after scanning the yankee air waves the last few days, I figure all is pretty much lost for now anyways. God! its good to be back in the south!

cozmo on January 1, 2013 at 8:50 PM

What is going on? Are we screwed to the nines or are we FUBAR’d beyond all recognition.

SparkPlug on January 1, 2013 at 8:49 PM

yes, yes, and more yes. In out, right side, down side. I cry long time GI.

arnold ziffel on January 1, 2013 at 8:51 PM

kim roy on January 1, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Thanks, you beat me to it.

JPeterman on January 1, 2013 at 8:51 PM

Our leaders at the helm have steered us into a black hole and now it’s tractor beam has us locked into a death grip.

SparkPlug on January 1, 2013 at 8:52 PM

A $12 trillion economy and 230-plus-year history can survive a great deal of abuse and neglect. But history proves no state is immune from the self-inflicted idiocy of its leaders or people. Just how long we will survive in this state is now a proposition fully engaged. It is the great social experiment of the 21st century.

And like the great social experiment of the 20th century, it is doomed to failure only after tens of millions die.

Steve Eggleston on January 1, 2013 at 8:52 PM

I take it that doesn’t mean Foreign Object Damagea as applied to aircraft engines?

Just funnin ya. FOAD is one of my favorite farewells. :)

arnold ziffel on January 1, 2013 at 8:49 PM

It fits so many situations, doesn’t it? ;)

kim roy on January 1, 2013 at 8:53 PM

Thanks, you beat me to it.

JPeterman on January 1, 2013 at 8:51 PM

Completely my pleasure, sir. Happy new year to you and yours.

kim roy on January 1, 2013 at 8:54 PM

arnold ziffel on January 1, 2013 at 8:51 PM

When you cry do you get the zniffels? Hey things suck, anything for a cheap laugh.

Happy new year anyway even though in many ways it’s a Sad new year.

SparkPlug on January 1, 2013 at 8:57 PM

That’s the problem. There are too many Newtopias and not enough responsible people. A couple of weeks ago, I read a poll where 52% of Democrats said that they would not support cuts or changes of ANY kind to either SS/MC even if it meant passing on trillions of dollars of debt to their own children and grandchildren.

It is beyond shameful

Resist We Much on January 1, 2013 at 8:40 PM

I call it the Daffy Duck Syndrome. It matters not whether they’re a full-sized duck pushing around a mining cart loaded up with plundered treasure or a thimble-sized duck clutching a pearl inside a closing clam – “It’s mine, you understand? Mine, all mine! DOWN! DOWN! DOWN! GO! GO! GO! MINE! MINE! MINE!”

Steve Eggleston on January 1, 2013 at 8:57 PM

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 8:15 PM
Fine way to end the dubious day .
Thank you .

Lucano on January 1, 2013 at 9:01 PM

A large fraction of the electorate is little more aware of reality than a segmented sea slug stuck to floating log.

They don’t even merit Sheeple status.

SparkPlug on January 1, 2013 at 9:02 PM

They don’t even merit Sheeple status.

SparkPlug on January 1, 2013 at 9:02 PM

Sadly, I agree.

cozmo on January 1, 2013 at 9:04 PM

So normal weight people have a 106% chance of dying?

Fenris on January 1, 2013 at 8:42 PM

That’s just quoted verbatim from the article. They must mean a 6% lower chance of dying within a specific time period, but the details aren’t the critical thing here. The key thing is that the soda banning nanny staters are too full of themselves.

anotherJoe on January 1, 2013 at 9:06 PM

I honestly don’t see any purpose in blaming Rs..or Boehner. As a country we are who we are. Rs lost badly in 2012.

a big part of being a community organizer is to shake someone down…a corporation or a government. Uncle Saul was a shakedown artist that just wrapped himself in grievance politics

So Rs hold thee House, we have guy who actually wants to have the ‘bubble’ of conservatism pop. He’s not your average pol…he seriously doesn’t like people who disagree with him. Reid really isn’t much better.

leftist love showing how tough they are…Ed Schultz was doing a victory dance earlier. If you have a monolithic force which includes a monolithic press against you….i mean Really against you, and you hold just the House…well, it really isn’t much of a surrender.

Any rational person could foresee that the Only leverage that Rs had was the leverage that Obama let them have. And finally..like the cat and mouse..the game finally ended.

and, btw…looks like a strong opening market tomorrow. up..big time.

r keller on January 1, 2013 at 9:06 PM

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 8:15 PM
Fine way to end the dubious day .
Thank you .

Lucano on January 1, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Bout an hour or so till we see Boehner and McConnell prove everything I wrote in that article true.

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 9:07 PM

I wonder if anyone in the left rank and file has noticed that the theoretical expiry of the Bush Tax Cuts for the Rich causes taxes to go up for everyone.

But the fact is, this giant pile of irresponsible debt is what this increasingly soulless and immoral country wants.

I just want to point out that more than one people currently occupy these borders. We’re at least two countries at the moment. Forcing the people to shoulder their own blame is probably a good thing, but trying to lay that blame on people that have been struggling against it is creating more false guilt. We aren’t all guilty of these current, possibly fatal electoral and political decisions — and that is true even if none of us is pure.

The reason it might be important to be clear about this — our house is divided, and the blame might be that guy’s, and that guy isn’t our friend, and that guy needs to be opposed. Since the bad guys are winning, look for calls to unity.

Axe on January 1, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Sorry, he only treats his enemies that way… That would be us Tax paying Americans.

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 8:48 PM

After watching that so called press conference the King gave yesterday, my family also watched via the live stream and were horrified at what they saw.

JPeterman on January 1, 2013 at 9:09 PM

Republicans could win the debate if they focused on reducing the rate of growth of all government: across the board cuts in entitlements, domestic, and military programs. There are only $2 billion in cuts that happen in 2013. The rest either may not happen or were not scheduled to occur anyway.

Nexialist on January 1, 2013 at 9:11 PM

FUBAR’d beyond all recognition.

SparkPlug on January 1, 2013 at 8:49 PM

lol..semi-redudant

;-)

Tim_CA on January 1, 2013 at 9:12 PM

When you cry do you get the zniffels? Hey things suck, anything for a cheap laugh.

Happy new year anyway even though in many ways it’s a Sad new year.

SparkPlug on January 1, 2013 at 8:57 PM

You sir are a kick. That was clever. Happy New Year (sincerely). We are all going to get gang banged together but it will be fun in a sick way.

arnold ziffel on January 1, 2013 at 9:12 PM

redundant even

Tim_CA on January 1, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Axe,

I wonder if anyone in the left rank and file has noticed that the theoretical expiry of the Bush Tax Cuts for the Rich causes taxes to go up for everyone.

Some have noticed but they lie. This whole point was brought up in 2007 when the dog eater lied about it then.

But I’m glad you mentioned it cause it true. Barry said he would only tax the rich. He lied.

SparkPlug on January 1, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Completely my pleasure, sir. Happy new year to you and yours.

kim roy on January 1, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Same to you. Will I have a country to come home to?

JPeterman on January 1, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Always has been one of my favorite songs… Now it takes on a very strange feel and meaning. (Don’t Fear) The Reaper

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Tim_CA on January 1, 2013 at 9:12 PM

I wonder if yogi berra thought of that one. Lol.

SparkPlug on January 1, 2013 at 9:15 PM

Blink! U.S. Debt Just Grew by $11 Trillion

[T]he U.S. government’s fiscal gap — the true measure of the nation’s indebtedness — rose by $11 trillion.

The fiscal gap is the present value difference between projected future spending and revenue. It captures all government liabilities, whether they are official obligations to service Treasury bonds or unofficial commitments, such as paying for food stamps or buying drones.

The U.S. fiscal gap, calculated (by us) using the Congressional Budget Office’s realistic long-term budget forecast — the Alternative Fiscal Scenario — is now $222 trillion. Last year, it was $211 trillion. The $11 trillion difference — this year’s true federal deficit — is 10 times larger than the official deficit and roughly as large as the entire stock of official debt in public hands.

This fantastic and dangerous growth in the fiscal gap is not new. In 2003 and 2004, the economists Alan Auerbach and William Gale extended the CBO’s short-term forecast and measured fiscal gaps of $60 trillion and $86 trillion, respectively. In 2007, the first year the CBO produced the Alternative Fiscal Scenario, the gap, by our reckoning, stood at $175 trillion. By 2009, when the CBO began reporting the AFS annually, the gap was $184 trillion. In 2010, it was $202 trillion, followed by $211 trillion in 2011 and $222 trillion in 2012.

Part of the fiscal gap’s growth reflects changes in policy, such as the Bush and Obama tax cuts, the introduction of Medicare Part D, and the expansion of defense spending. Part reflects “natural” growth of existing programs, including growth in Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement rates. And part reflects the demographic time bomb U.S. politicians are blithely ignoring.

When fully retired, 78 million baby boomers will collect, on average, more than 85 percent of per-capita gross domestic product ($40,000 in today’s dollars) in Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid benefits. Each passing year brings these outlays one year closer, which raises their present value.

Governments, like households, can’t indefinitely spend beyond their means. They have to satisfy what economists call their “intertemporal budget constraint.” The fiscal gap simply measures the extent to which this constraint is violated and tells us what is needed to balance the government’s intertemporal budget.

The answer for the U.S. isn’t pretty. Closing the gap using taxes requires an immediate and permanent 64 percent increase in all federal taxes. Alternatively, the U.S. needs to cut, immediately and permanently, all federal purchases and transfer payments, including Social Security and Medicare benefits, by 40 percent. Or it can mix these terrible fiscal medicines with honey, namely radical fiscal reforms that make the economy much fairer and far stronger. What the government can’t do is pay its bills by spending more and taxing less. America’s children, whose futures are being rapidly destroyed, are smart enough to tell us this.

Resist We Much on January 1, 2013 at 9:15 PM

Same to you. Will I have a country to come home to?

JPeterman on January 1, 2013 at 9:13 PM

You won’t recognize it.

Steve Eggleston on January 1, 2013 at 9:15 PM

(Don’t Fear) The Reaper

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 9:13 PM

I luv me sum mo’ cowbell!

Resist We Much on January 1, 2013 at 9:15 PM

Same to you. Will I have a country to come home to?

JPeterman on January 1, 2013 at 9:13 PM

I honestly don’t know. I hope so, but I wouldn’t place money on it.

Or I should say you will, but not one in which you will be happy or want to be in.

kim roy on January 1, 2013 at 9:17 PM

Let’s see,

Hillary traveled abroad

That led to eating foreign food

That led to a stomach virus

That led to dizziness

That led to falling down

The led to hitting head

That led to concussion

That led to clot

All from traveling abroad.

We could call this TravelGate.

SparkPlug on January 1, 2013 at 9:18 PM

I luv me sum mo’ cowbell!

Resist We Much on January 1, 2013 at 9:15 PM

lol…

everybody does!

Vote Cowbell 2016

Tim_CA on January 1, 2013 at 9:18 PM

Resist We Much on January 1, 2013 at 9:15 PM

Minor point of order – the 2012 version of the Alternate Fiscal Scenario is no longer valid, though much of it (full Bush tax rates for those under $200K, Bush+various tax increases below the Clinton level for those under $400K, “permanent” AMT patch, a 1-year Medicare Doc “Fix”, 1-year extension of 99-week funemployment, 5-year extension of Obama’s low-end tax credits) will soon be “current law”.

Steve Eggleston on January 1, 2013 at 9:20 PM

We could call this TravelGate.

SparkPlug on January 1, 2013 at 9:18 PM

You’ll need to add the “II” – the Clintons created the original TravelGate in 1993 when they handed the White House travel office over to some Arkansas friends (and yes, Hillary had a huge hand in that).

Steve Eggleston on January 1, 2013 at 9:21 PM

http://thewildernessofmirrors.wordpress.com/2013/01/01/the-gop-leaderships-betrayal-of-america/

I found this on the internet. Its by SWalker.

SparkPlug on January 1, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Who?

davidk on January 1, 2013 at 9:21 PM

A freakin land invasion from the entire Chinese army wouldn’t dick us over as bad as what we have done to ourselves by our dumb as a stump political class.

SparkPlug on January 1, 2013 at 9:22 PM

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