Fiscal cliff: How much trouble will House Dems cause?

posted at 3:01 pm on January 1, 2013 by Mary Katharine Ham

The answer’s probably not much (and it may be a moot point anyway), but in the interest of keeping you entertained with this maudlin march to a deal that means nothing, let’s entertain the possibility, shall we? In D.C. last night, as the Senate prepared to vote on the fiscal cliff deal, the various staffers and operatives on the ideological wings of both sides who populate New Year’s parties where people talk about fiscal cliff deals were fantasizing about a meeting of conservative and liberal minds to torpedo the deal.

The possibility of defecting Tea Partiers will, of course, get all the press and the public pressure, but the House Progressive Caucus has 70-some members, and they’re not happy:

Their acolyte has given them some cover. Paul Krugman doesn’t love the deal, but does his part in assuring liberals that none of their orthodoxies have been violated in the name of something so crazy as sustainable budgeting. He’s mostly right. But he also notes true unhappiness on the left and sounds a warning shot (low-capacity magazine pop gun) over upcoming debt ceiling debates:

So why the bad taste in progressives’ mouths? It has less to do with where Obama ended up than with how he got there. He kept drawing lines in the sand, then erasing them and retreating to a new position. And his evident desire to have a deal before hitting the essentially innocuous fiscal cliff bodes very badly for the confrontation looming in a few weeks over the debt ceiling.

If Obama stands his ground in that confrontation, this deal won’t look bad in retrospect. If he doesn’t, yesterday will be seen as the day he began throwing away his presidency and the hopes of everyone who supported him.

All of this presumably has something to do with the fact that Vice President Joe Biden was brought into the House Democratic caucus meeting today, which went for longer than an hour, with reinforcement refreshments, while Uncle Joe answered Q&A. Or, was it a filibuster?

It looks like that meeting just broke up, and Rep. Nancy Pelosi and Biden are supposed to hold a brief press availability, so we’ll have a better idea as people trickle out where the caucus stands. (Correction: The caucus meeting let out a 3 p.m., three hours after it started.) Despite their anger— and they have plenty over the fact that estate taxes, marginal tax rates for those between $200K and $400K, and every other tax being too low—I’m sure one nudge from the White House, even in the form of Biden, is about all it takes to get most progressives in line. We’ll see.

It’s worth noting Rep. Xavier Becerra, a member of the House Progressive Caucus, escorted Biden into the meeting in his new capacity as chairman of the House Democratic Caucus. Becerra replaced Rep. Jim Larson, a member of the more moderate, pro-growth New Democrat Coalition. Weird how we never hear about House Democrats moving ever-further left, huh?

Are y’all ready for this?

Update: Pelosi, blah, blah, blah.

Update: Democrats will wait for the deal to unravel on the Republican side and pretend they’ve got all their ducks in a row, but they don’t:

Political Wire:

President Obama’s fiscal cliff deal with Republicans “has touched off a fresh wave of grievance among disappointed liberals who complained that he caved in on taxes and sent a signal that he would ultimately surrender on other priorities as he prepared to open his second term,” the New York Times reports.

“While most Democratic senators went along with the compromise in an early-morning vote on Tuesday, activists, labor leaders and liberal economists issued a harsh barrage against the deal. The president, they said, squandered his election victory by allowing too many wealthy Americans to keep income and estate tax cuts that otherwise would have expired.”


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Wishful thinking that they would have the guts to reject this boondoggle….

sandee on January 1, 2013 at 3:04 PM

Burn baby burn

cmsinaz on January 1, 2013 at 3:05 PM

F the progressives/communists/socialists. I’m so sick of them. They are out of their minds.

Charlemagne on January 1, 2013 at 3:09 PM

The Jackass party is giving a presser right now, Pelosi just stepped to the mic with her crazy face on.
Hoyer, couple other idiots have already set the blame framework.

rayra on January 1, 2013 at 3:09 PM

Rayra expect nothing less with the dems

cmsinaz on January 1, 2013 at 3:10 PM

Live news conference with Donk House leaders, including Peloser, on Fox.

Philly on January 1, 2013 at 3:11 PM

Live news conference with Donk House leaders, including Peloser, on Fox.

Philly on January 1, 2013 at 3:11 PM

With Pelosi it’s hard to tell if she is alive…

sandee on January 1, 2013 at 3:13 PM

Does the progressive caucus have a published agenda, vision, goal? Would be nice to see their radicalism in print.

Charlemagne on January 1, 2013 at 3:15 PM

It has less to do with where Obama ended up than with how he got there. He kept drawing lines in the sand, then erasing them and retreating to a new position.

This came as a surprise?

Haven’t they noticed for the past four years how he’s drawn lines inthe sand with Iran and now Syria, only to ignore it when those countries cross them?

President “Don’t call my bluff”?

Wethal on January 1, 2013 at 3:15 PM

Sounds like the GOP House will amend the Senate bill to add spending cuts. The ladies on CNN look apoplectic.

Curtiss on January 1, 2013 at 3:17 PM

The ladies on CNN look apoplectic.

Those are no ladies…

sandee on January 1, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Cry me a river, leftist dolts.

The Dog Eater you voted for is putting drones in your skies and signing legislation allowing eavesdropping on everything you say, the Gitmo Torture Center is still open for business and brown Pakistani children are being blown to bits by Predator-launched Hellfires.

You put on a good show, really you do, Oscar-worthy performance, but Barky could execute 20 members of Code Pinko with a claw hammer on live television and you fools would still fall to your knees in rapturous orgasm while extolling his incredible hammering technique.

Bishop on January 1, 2013 at 3:19 PM

I’d advise Boehner to take the bill, amend it with some nice, fat spending cuts (for example, all green energy and farm subsidies, for starters), and dare the Democrats in the Senate to vote it down.

Mohonri on January 1, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Live news conference with Donk House leaders, including Peloser, on Fox.

Philly on January 1, 2013 at 3:11 PM

With Pelosi it’s hard to tell if she is alive…

sandee on January 1, 2013 at 3:13 PM

She’s not; it’s a bot.

More proof that IA is impossible.

davidk on January 1, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Just VOTE NO. It’s quick, it’s easy, and it’s the right thing to do.

Pork-Chop on January 1, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Would be nice to see their radicalism in print.

Charlemagne on January 1, 2013 at 3:15 PM

Does it include more free stuff?

Then I’m down wid it, Homie.

davidk on January 1, 2013 at 3:23 PM

The FISCAL CLIFF is a fiction.

This is just the new War Cry of the Democrat Party. They have three more uses of this War Cry coming up.

They hope it will scare stupid republicans into passing their bills for them into law.

Steveangell on January 1, 2013 at 3:33 PM

CBO: “… the bill deepens the deficit by nearly $4 trillion over the next decade…”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2013/jan/1/deficit-fiscal-cliff-bill-actually-spends-330-bill/

Pork-Chop on January 1, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Wolf Blitzer has his stern face on today.

Curtiss on January 1, 2013 at 3:38 PM

Amend it. Nothing big, just rescind Obamacare.

STL_Vet on January 1, 2013 at 3:41 PM

The GOP Leadership’s betrayal of America.

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 3:20 PM

Yes this.

Steveangell on January 1, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Does the progressive caucus have a published agenda, vision, goal? Would be nice to see their radicalism in print.
Charlemagne on January 1, 2013 at 3:15 PM

Just googled it, they do.

“The Progressive Promise”

The Congressional Progressive Caucus believes in government of the people, by the people, and for the people. Our fairness plan is rooted in our core principles. It also embodies national priorities that are consistent with the values, needs, and hopes of all our people, not just the powerful and the privileged. We pledge our unwavering commitment to these legislative priorities and we will not rest until they become law.

1. Fighting for Economic Justice and Security in the U.S. and Global Economies

» To uphold the right to universal access to affordable, high quality healthcare for all.

» To preserve guaranteed Social Security benefits for all Americans, protect private pensions, and require corporate accountability.

» To invest in America and create new jobs in the U.S. by building more affordable housing, re-building America’s schools and physical infrastructure, cleaning up our environment, and improving homeland security.

» To export more American products and not more American jobs and demand fair trade.

» To reaffirm freedom of association and enforce the right to organize.

» To ensure working families can live above the poverty line and with dignity by raising and indexing the minimum wage.

2. Protecting and Preserving Civil Rights and Civil Liberties

» To sunset expiring provisions of the Patriot Act and bring remaining provisions into line with the U. S. Constitution.

» To protect the personal privacy of all Americans from unbridled police powers and unchecked government intrusion.

» To extend the Voting Rights Act and reform our electoral processes.

» To fight corporate consolidation of the media and ensure opportunity for all voices to be heard.

» To ensure enforcement of all legal rights in the workplace.

» To eliminate all forms of discrimination based upon color, race, religion, gender, creed, disability, or sexual orientation.

3. Promoting Global Peace and Security

» To honor and help our overburdened international public servants – both military and civilian.

» To bring U. S. troops home from Iraq as soon as possible.

» To re-build U.S. alliances around the world, restore international respect for American power and influence, and reaffirm our nation’s constructive engagement in the United Nations and other multilateral organizations.

» To enhance international cooperation to reduce the threats posed by nuclear proliferation and weapons of mass destruction.

» To increase efforts to combat hunger and the scourge of HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis, malaria, and other infectious diseases.

» To encourage debt relief for poor countries and support efforts to reach the UN’s Millennium Goals for Developing Countries.

4. Advancing Environmental Protection & Energy Independence » To free ourselves and our economy from dependence upon imported oil and shift to growing reliance upon renewable energy supplies and technologies, thus creating at least three million new jobs, cleansing our environment, and enhancing our nation’s security.

» To promote environmental justice in affirmation that all people have an inherent right to a healthy environment, clean air, and clean water wherever we live, work, and relax.

» To change incentives in federal tax, procurement, and appropriation policies to:

(A) Speed commercialization of solar, biomass, and wind power generation, while encouraging state and local policy innovation to link clean energy and job creation;

(B) Convert domestic assembly lines to manufacture highly efficient vehicles, enhance global competitiveness of U.S. auto industry, and expand consumer choice;

(C) Increase investment in construction of “green buildings” and more energy-efficient homes and workplaces;

(D) Link higher energy efficiency standards in appliances to consumer and manufacturing incentives that increase demand for new durable goods and increase investment in U.S. factories;

» To eliminate environmental threat posed by global warming and ensuring that America does our part to advance an effective global problem-solving approach.

» To expand energy-efficient transportation choices by increasing investment in synthesized networks, including bicycle, local bus and rail transit, regional high-speed rail and magnetic levitation rail projects.

» To preserve prudent public interest regulations that encourage sustainable growth and investment, ensure energy diversity and system reliability, protect workers and the environment, reward consumer conservation, and support an expanding marketplace that rewards the commercialization of energy-efficient technologies.

Genuine on January 1, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Hundreds of years hence, when this blighted world has only roaches and Cher still alive, that photo of Uncle Joe snogging a biker chick will be on some blown-out diner’s wall.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 1, 2013 at 3:50 PM

CBO: “… the bill deepens the deficit by nearly $4 trillion over the next decade…”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2013/jan/1/deficit-fiscal-cliff-bill-actually-spends-330-bill/

Pork-Chop on January 1, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Amazing how the same people who say the poor will spend government money and help the economy but that never works.

Claim the rich will not help the economy spending the money they actually earned themselves.

I detest static analysis. You change taxes those affected change their tactics. They end up not paying a lot of the increased taxes by wasting a lot of money avoiding the taxes both very bad for the economy. Thus the tax not only brings in far less than expected it also slows down the economy making others also pay far less in taxes.

Steveangell on January 1, 2013 at 3:51 PM

Hmmmm

Former Republican presidential candidate Jon Huntsman took a critical look at his own party, asserting that it is “devoid of a soul.”

In particular, he noted that the party would do well to embrace a “strong dose of libertarianism.” On social issues specifically, Huntsman said state governments should “absolutely” be able to implement gay marriage.

CW on January 1, 2013 at 3:51 PM

“In particular…” should have been in quotes

CW on January 1, 2013 at 3:51 PM

Just a reminder…

These “Progressives” were AGAINST the “Bush tax cuts for the MIDDLE CLASS” before they were FOR them…

Will the extension of the “Bush tax cuts for the MIDDLE CLASS” for 98% of Americans, as Obama and “Progressives” want, cause another “Great Recession,” since they were evidently responsible in part for the last one? /

Is the extension of the “Bush tax cuts for the MIDDLE CLASS” for 98% of Americans “paid for” unlike they were under the evil, “irresponsible and unpatriotic” BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH? /

Resist We Much on January 1, 2013 at 3:52 PM

To sunset expiring provisions of the Patriot Act and bring remaining provisions into line with the U. S. Constitution.

Genuine on January 1, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Didn’t take long to ignore that one.

STL_Vet on January 1, 2013 at 3:54 PM

Genuine on January 1, 2013 at 3:49 PM

I will translate this and make it easy to understand.

Make America into Cuba.

Or if you believe in GOD.

Put Satan in charge of America.

This is what they actually fight for. Though most that fight for it have little if any knowledge of what they are actually fighting for. Useful idiots is what these people are called by their masters behind their backs. You know those that actually have the power and get insanely rich.

Steveangell on January 1, 2013 at 3:56 PM

Just a reminder…
These “Progressives” were AGAINST the “Bush tax cuts for the MIDDLE CLASS” before they were FOR them…

Will the extension of the “Bush tax cuts for the MIDDLE CLASS” for 98% of Americans, as Obama and “Progressives” want, cause another “Great Recession,” since they were evidently responsible in part for the last one? /
Is the extension of the “Bush tax cuts for the MIDDLE CLASS” for 98% of Americans “paid for” unlike they were under the evil, “irresponsible and unpatriotic” BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH? /
Resist We Much on January 1, 2013 at 3:52 PM

And just as they don’t care at all for their previous stances on them and will unabashedly defend the exact opposite of what they would have under bush in regards to these tax “cuts”.

Now YOU care about all the things THEY complained about and no longer defend the sad arguments conservatives made in favor of those “unpaid for” tax cuts then.

Funny that. Ahhh, America. Where nothing means anything in politics and whoever has power today will simply switch rhetorical sides with who ever is in power tomorrow. The game keeps playing. And nothing ever changes.

Genuine on January 1, 2013 at 3:57 PM

I will translate this and make it easy to understand.
Make America into Cuba.
Or if you believe in GOD.
Put Satan in charge of America.
This is what they actually fight for. Though most that fight for it have little if any knowledge of what they are actually fighting for. Useful idiots is what these people are called by their masters behind their backs. You know those that actually have the power and get insanely rich.
Steveangell on January 1, 2013 at 3:56 PM

Lmfao, it says that?! Wow!

Oh, oh, you were just projecting your fears onto them. Got it. ;)

Genuine on January 1, 2013 at 3:58 PM

but Barky could execute 20 members of Code Pinko with a claw hammer on live television and you fools would still fall to your knees in rapturous orgasm while extolling his incredible hammering technique.

Bishop on January 1, 2013 at 3:19 PM

So true. And Bush, Boehner and other GOP leaders could be there trying to stop Owe and the liberal media would agree with Owe that it was their fault.

DO NOT CAVE GOP. The CBO says this “deal” would actually increase the deficit this year by $330 billion!

katablog.com on January 1, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Promoting Global Peace and Security

How, by floating balloons over the world’s warzones?

These jackholes are full of spirit way over here in the U.S., meanwhile the people they supposedly care about could use some assistance.

“Sorry, I’m busy blogging about how to free Tibet, and this coffee shop has the most wonderful scones”, said the concerned leftist.

Bishop on January 1, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Now YOU care about all the things THEY complained about and no longer defend the sad arguments conservatives made in favor of those “unpaid for” tax cuts then.

Funny that. Ahhh, America. Where nothing means anything in politics and whoever has power today will simply switch rhetorical sides with who ever is in power tomorrow. The game keeps playing. And nothing ever changes.

Genuine on January 1, 2013 at 3:57 PM

1. I wasn’t an American when they passed the tax cuts.

2. I’m not a conservative.

3. I’m not a Republican.

4. I didn’t vote for Bush in 2004 (nor Kerry either).

5. Tax cuts don’t have to be “paid for”…unless you believe that it’s the government’s money in the first place.

6. The US has a SPENDING problem, not a “revenue” problem.

7. I invite you to read my blog and see where I have criticised BOTH parties repeatedly and SAVAGELY.

8. I HATE HYPOCRITES AND ALL POLITICIANS.

9. You should refrain from assuming facts not in evidence.

10. A friendly warning: You really, really, really do not want to f*ck with me because I can utterly destroy you on any given day and at any given time.

PS: Happy New Year and have a nice day.

Resist We Much on January 1, 2013 at 4:05 PM

F the progressives/communists/socialists. I’m so sick of them. They are out of their minds.

Charlemagne on January 1, 2013 at 3:09 PM

Yep.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 1, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Resist We Much on January 1, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Haha! Oh I like the spunk and fervor!!

Fair enough, good sir. I too am an avid hater of both parties. Glad we’re in the same club and sorry for using the word “you” to describe the very actions of republicans as well in response to your valid criticism of the democrats.

And good day, to you too! ;)

Genuine on January 1, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Haha! Oh I like the spunk and fervor!!

Fair enough, good sir. I too am an avid hater of both parties. Glad we’re in the same club and sorry for using the word “you” to describe the very actions of republicans as well in response to your valid criticism of the democrats.

And good day, to you too! ;)

Genuine on January 1, 2013 at 4:11 PM

No prob and I’m a GGGGUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRLLLLLLLLLL!

Resist We Much on January 1, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Gotta tell ya, if Biden continues to bounce her around on his knee, WE WILL GET THIS DEAL DONE!

kenny on January 1, 2013 at 4:15 PM

The GOP Leadership’s betrayal of America.

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 3:20 PM

Just a few quick thoughts… I know it’s quibbling, but I don’t think Obama and his ilk would consider themselves Marxists. The outcome will be similar, but they believe in Progressivism, and their preferred form of government is a “socialist democracy.” Again, not a huge difference. Also, republican leadership is a joke. “we lost” so that means we have to capitulate to obama. I remember when the dems let bush push through everything he wanted after ’00

Timin203 on January 1, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Probably all part of the dance.

Leftist Democrats have to make a big show about how unhappy they are so the final deal looks like a “compromise” instead of the routing of Republicans that it is.

tbrosz on January 1, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Hundreds of years hence, when this blighted world has only roaches and Cher still alive, that photo of Uncle Joe snogging a biker chick will be on some blown-out diner’s wall.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 1, 2013 at 3:50 PM

Bless you LCV, I needed that gut wrenching guffaw! LOLOLOLOLOLOL!

sicoit on January 1, 2013 at 4:19 PM

To sunset expiring provisions of the Patriot Act and bring remaining provisions into line with the U. S. Constitution.

Genuine on January 1, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Didn’t take long to ignore that one.

STL_Vet on January 1, 2013 at 3:54 PM

About as long as it took to ignore the alphabet soup of disastrous effects caused by the War of Error once Obama was elected.

BTW – did you notice that while the DC liberals let utter scum like Michael Moore into their circles for awhile, people who were actually on record as opposing the permawar agenda were never invited to the parties. Why? Because Democrats really aren’t against said agenda in the first place. People like Moore, by comparison, were just opportunistic propaganda-spewers with no real values.

MelonCollie on January 1, 2013 at 4:19 PM

The fools in congress and otherwise, the R/Cs, forget that the shutdown under Clinton didn’t hurt them. It was just what the media reported. Reality was different.

Schadenfreude on January 1, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Resist We Much on January 1, 2013 at 4:05 PM

AmeriKa doesn’t deserve you…but England has long since not deserved you either.

I wish you could inspire the congress, both ends, to grow a pair. You are proof that it’s still possible.

Schadenfreude on January 1, 2013 at 4:26 PM

liberals pissed about “allowing too many rich people to keep their money

GO. TO. HELL.

thurman on January 1, 2013 at 4:28 PM

liberals pissed about “allowing too many rich people to keep their money”

GO. TO. HELL.

thurman on January 1, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Excellent

In the meanwhile the Obamas, all who sustain them with billionnaire dough, have decided to give up their money and pay off the debt, for the love of the children.

Schadenfreude on January 1, 2013 at 4:30 PM

AmeriKa doesn’t deserve you…but England has long since not deserved you either.

I wish you could inspire the congress, both ends, to grow a pair. You are proof that it’s still possible.

Schadenfreude on January 1, 2013 at 4:26 PM

Mestasis Baby Mestasis

kenny on January 1, 2013 at 4:32 PM

Tom Harkin voted against the 400,000 cut. He hates the rich, the rich bastid…have them eliminate the debt, fool.

Schadenfreude on January 1, 2013 at 4:44 PM

why any sane person would require a rapid-fire killing machine with a foot-long banana clip to feel safe in his or her home or person, let alone to take target practice, shoot skeet, or hunt rabbits.

It’s not needed for those things, but those are strawman things. Does anyone seriously believe that the founders were ensuring citizens the right to put dinner on the table? It’s to kill large numbers of subjugators, marxists, invaders, etc..the more the better. I suppose you could declare the US an “invasion free zone” or “subjugation free zone”, but that alone won’t work any better than declaring schools “gun free zones” and then sitting back and watching the sign work its magic would work.

Buddahpundit on January 1, 2013 at 4:46 PM

Really, why would anyone vote in favor of a bill sponsored by Joe Biden?

And I do mean ANYONE… of either party. SloJo isn’t noted for his fine bills, his rhetoric and is noted for his plagiarism. Why would anyone trust him to draft a good bill on, really, anything?

Save, McConnell, of course… there is that. The man unable to let a couple of GOPers slow walk Obamacare and kill it via that method. That takes guts. Perseverance. Not putting ‘the art of the deal’ above the idea of good legislation. Say, why is this guy the leader of the GOP in the Senate, anyways?

If there were anyone sane, they would start to stonewall and slow-walk this ‘deal’. Kill it by running out the clock on the Congress… because the new one is not that far away and the whole thing can start ALL OVER AGAIN… and then some real clock running can take place… lots of speeches and pointed fingers and name calling and pontificating…let the lame duck die.

ajacksonian on January 1, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Resist We Much on January 1, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Haha! Oh I like the spunk and fervor!!

Fair enough, good sir. I too am an avid hater of both parties.

Translation: “I Am A Leftist-Lunatic who is SOOO Far Left that Even Harry Reid can’t see me from where he sits and I voted for Obama TWICE and have offered my services to provide him with Hot Oil massages. Oh – and I LOVE Ron Paul, because he helped get Obama elected.”

williamg on January 1, 2013 at 4:48 PM

I hope they throw in another “Cash For Clunker”..
I am in the market for some cash…

:)

Electrongod on January 1, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Bless you LCV, I needed that gut wrenching guffaw! LOLOLOLOLOLOL!

sicoit on January 1, 2013 at 4:19 PM

:D

Happy New Year!

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 1, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Oh – and I LOVE Ron Paul, because he helped get Obama elected.”

williamg on January 1, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Yeah, that kind of stupidity would be what a liberal thought allright.

Or was that just you being a stupid crybaby because Mr.Bland couldn’t beat President Free Stuff?

MelonCollie on January 1, 2013 at 4:57 PM

Oh – and I LOVE Ron Paul, because he helped get Obama elected.”

williamg on January 1, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Huh? Ron Paul didn’t run in the general election.

Timin203 on January 1, 2013 at 5:03 PM

Nothing is important until Deep Throat adventures his Wan Image.

kenny on January 1, 2013 at 5:03 PM

Huh? Ron Paul didn’t run in the general election.

Timin203 on January 1, 2013 at 5:03 PM

Makes the little Neocon’s blithering all the more hilarious, doesn’t it?

MelonCollie on January 1, 2013 at 5:05 PM

Nothing is important until Deep Throat adventures his Wan Image.

kenny on January 1, 2013 at 5:03 PM

The Benghazi Coverup is the point referred

kenny on January 1, 2013 at 5:07 PM

Makes the little Neocon’s blithering all the more hilarious, doesn’t it?

MelonCollie on January 1, 2013 at 5:05 PM

Yeah. and usually insulting a candidate and his devoted followers, then blaming them when they vote against your candidate is not a great strategy.

You think Ron Pauls nuts? Maybe he’s a little eccentric, but he is closer to right about the state of our country then 99% of the politicians in DC.

Timin203 on January 1, 2013 at 5:13 PM

Translation: “I Am A Leftist-Lunatic who is SOOO Far Left that Even Harry Reid can’t see me from where he sits and I voted for Obama TWICE and have offered my services to provide him with Hot Oil massages. Oh – and I LOVE Ron Paul, because he helped get Obama elected.”

williamg on January 1, 2013 at 4:48 PM

If that was aimed at me, I direct you to points 9 & 10 in my post to Genuine. I haven’t a “leftist” bone in my body, have done EVERYTHING that I could to help defeat Obama (including voting AGAINST him by voting for the only candidates that had a chance to beat him even though they were complete dogs put up by YOUR (?) party, and “LOVE” Ron Paul sooooooooooo much that I would have paid for his permanent vacation home years ago (because he and his followers like Alex Jones & Lew Rockwell have harmed libertarianism, IMO) and have written/posted pieces on him with titles such as these:

Ron Paul: All Aboard! Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Haaaa! Mental Wounds Still Screaming! Driving Me Insane I’m Going Off The Rails On My Crazy Train! (And I Want To Take You Along For The Ride)

Ground Control to Major Ron: Take Your Geritol And Put Your Tinfoil Hat On

Ron Paul Praised David Duke

Ron Paul: See No Newsletters. Write No Newsletters. Read No Newsletters.

Palling Around With Racists, Anti-Semites, And Homophobes?

50 Scans To Leave Your Pauliac Lover a/k/a A 30 Step Programme To Break Yourself Free From The Cult of Paul

Paul Pot and the Paulestinians

Ron Paul: Unfit For Command

Paul in 1995: Say, Have You Read My Newsletters?

Have These Two Ever Been Seen Together In The Same Room??? (with a side-by-side photo comparison of a younger Dr Ron Paul and David Ferrie, Lee Harvey Oswald’s associate)

Ron Paul’s Earmarks

Why Ron Paul Can’t Win

My, Pauliac From Planet Ronulian, What A Big, Red Herring You Have!

“Paulsamic Vinegar” Mom: Ron Paul Supporters Spray Vinegar at the Sky to Fight “Chemtrails”…I’m Not Kidding

I look at politicians – and government, in general – as a necessary evil.

“If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary.”

- James Madison, Federalist 51

Finally, I also direct you to the “PS” in my post to Geniune.

Resist We Much on January 1, 2013 at 5:14 PM

Thank God the Queen is housed. She would be a “Street Person” otherwise.

kenny on January 1, 2013 at 5:23 PM

Resist We Much on January 1, 2013 at 5:14 PM

I thought williamg was referring to

Genuine on January 1, 2013 at 4:11 PM

just my take but could be wrong

wolverinefan on January 1, 2013 at 5:25 PM

Does the progressive caucus have a published agenda, vision, goal? Would be nice to see their radicalism in print.

Charlemagne on January 1, 2013 at 3:15 PM

Communist Manifesto
Mein Kampf
Rules for Radicals
Prairie Fire, the Weather Underground book were they state the need to kill 25 million real americans in order to push their ideology

rayra on January 1, 2013 at 5:31 PM

Resist We Much on January 1, 2013 at 5:14 PM

:)

kenny on January 1, 2013 at 5:33 PM

From the picture of dear joe and the biker gal, it seems the guy wasn’t all that thrilled by joe by the look on his face in the orginal picture? Me thinks that if the ss wasn’t there joe would have been toast?
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letget on January 1, 2013 at 5:34 PM

O/T: Just heard on CNN that Hillary Clinton’s blood clot is in her head–somewhere in the veins behind her eyes, but not in her brain. Best wishes to her.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 1, 2013 at 5:42 PM

Consider Repubs in 2016 Elections
(Avoid Backlash)
This cliff deal seems horrible, but worse than that is that it seems to be shaping up into a public relations disaster for the Republicans. WaPo heaadline is: “Cliff deal hits a new snag with House Republicans.”
Could it cause a backlash, and so cause the Repubs to lose the House in ’16, and then O’s climate change and open borders and socialist agenda could again go full gear? A nightmare. Think about that before we balk at this deal.

anotherJoe on January 1, 2013 at 5:45 PM

/T: Just heard on CNN that Hillary Clinton’s blood clot is in her head–somewhere in the veins behind her eyes, but not in her brain. Best wishes to her.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 1, 2013 at 5:42 PM

More wishes than she would have for you.

kenny on January 1, 2013 at 5:46 PM

More wishes than she would have for you.

kenny on January 1, 2013 at 5:46 PM

Perhaps. But I am, first, a human being.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 1, 2013 at 5:49 PM

Perhaps. But I am, first, a human being.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 1, 2013 at 5:49 PM

Problem is that she barely qualifies.

kenny on January 1, 2013 at 5:50 PM

house Dems

don’t exist. The House is Republican. Not that it’s done us any good.

Slade73 on January 1, 2013 at 5:51 PM

Perhaps. But I am, first, a human being.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 1, 2013 at 5:49 PM

There is a thing called Grace for Hill. It is not too late.

kenny on January 1, 2013 at 5:56 PM

Mary Ham shouldn’t be editing anything. A pretty face, no brain. Still, she’s about ten times smarter than O’Reilly

Slade73 on January 1, 2013 at 5:59 PM

Mary Ham shouldn’t be editing anything. A pretty face, no brain. Still, she’s about ten times smarter than O’Reilly

Slade73 on January 1, 2013 at 5:59 PM

Can’t go with that. First, O’Reilly is a genius. Second, Mary Katherine probably knows words you cannot pronounce.

kenny on January 1, 2013 at 6:03 PM

Can’t go with that. First, O’Reilly is a genius. Second, Mary Katherine probably knows words you cannot pronounce.

kenny on January 1, 2013 at 6:03 PM

Do you really think O’Reilly is a genius? He is a self righteous contrarian who believes in nothing beyond his ability to always be right.

I can’t think of any time I’ve ever heard him say something smart or deep.

Timin203 on January 1, 2013 at 6:05 PM

Mary Ham shouldn’t be editing anything. A pretty face, no brain. Still, she’s about ten times smarter than O’Reilly

Slade73
on January 1, 2013 at 5:59 PM

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listens2glenn on January 1, 2013 at 6:08 PM

Do you really think O’Reilly is a genius? He is a self righteous contrarian who believes in nothing beyond his ability to always be right.

I can’t think of any time I’ve ever heard him say something smart or deep.

Timin203 on January 1, 2013 at 6:05 PM

Did not know. Hmmm.

kenny on January 1, 2013 at 6:08 PM

Of course I meant consider the -2014- elections. Kind of dumb of me to get this wrong. Still, I kind of want us to go off the cliff. Just do it, as someone said. Just see what happens. Time to let our freak flag fly.

anotherJoe on January 1, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Can’t go with that. First, O’Reilly is a genius. Second, Mary Katherine probably knows words you cannot pronounce.

kenny on January 1, 2013 at 6:03 PM

I doubt it

Slade73 on January 1, 2013 at 6:11 PM

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listens2glenn on January 1, 2013 at 6:08 PM

tee hee

just doing a little fishing

Slade73 on January 1, 2013 at 6:12 PM

O’Reilly is Irish…I’ll give him that

Slade73 on January 1, 2013 at 6:14 PM

ok, so pronounce persillaminous

kenny on January 1, 2013 at 6:15 PM

hey, at least I said she was pretty. A lot of people would see those horse teeth and disagree

Slade73 on January 1, 2013 at 6:16 PM

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listens2glenn on January 1, 2013 at 6:08 PM

.
tee hee

just doing a little fishing

Slade73 on January 1, 2013 at 6:12 PM

.
Well you sure caught me … hook, sinker, line, rod, reel, and half the fisherman’s arm.

listens2glenn on January 1, 2013 at 6:17 PM

kenny, my IQ probably dwarfs your pEnis

I’d give up if I were you

Slade73 on January 1, 2013 at 6:18 PM

I have a problem with people who get somewhere based on looks alone

Mary Ham

Slade73 on January 1, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Update: Democrats will wait for the deal to unravel on the Republican side and pretend they’ve got all their ducks in a row, but they don’t:

Tom Harkin voted “NO” in protest.

Schadenfreude on January 1, 2013 at 6:20 PM

POlitico in a tizzy because Cantor seems to say No about the Senate’s lame bill.
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/senate-clears-fiscal-cliff-deal-89-8-85640.html

I suggest everyone start calling the Senate bill ‘The Punt.’ It solves nothing, kicks the can down the road another 2mos, and has a piddly 1 to 41 ratio of spending cuts vs tax increases.

rayra on January 1, 2013 at 6:20 PM

I suggest everyone start calling the Senate bill ‘The Punt.’ It solves nothing, kicks the can down the road another 2mos, and has a piddly 1 to 41 ratio of spending cuts vs tax increases.

rayra on January 1, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Call it The Punk, because that’s what Obama is.

Schadenfreude on January 1, 2013 at 6:21 PM

just doing a little fishing

Slade73 on January 1, 2013 at 6:12 PM

Son you are going to need a Wooly Bugger

kenny on January 1, 2013 at 6:22 PM

You put on a good show, really you do, Oscar-worthy performance, but Barky could execute 20 members of Code Pinko with a claw hammer on live television and you fools would still fall to your knees in rapturous orgasm while extolling his incredible hammering technique.

Bishop on January 1, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Heh, thanks!

Schadenfreude on January 1, 2013 at 6:30 PM

Resist We Much on January 1, 2013 at 3:52 PM

By the way, how was that that crawling on broken glass to vote for Romney thing you vowed to do Nov 6th? Hope you didn’t do too much damage to your nail polish..

HotAirLib on January 1, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Son you are going to need a Wooly Bugger

kenny on January 1, 2013 at 6:22 PM

seems like I done just fine w/o one

Slade73 on January 1, 2013 at 6:54 PM

By the way, how was that that crawling on broken glass to vote for Romney thing you vowed to do Nov 6th? Hope you didn’t do too much damage to your nail polish..

HotAirLib on January 1, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Hey, I’d rather be right than stupid. If you voted for Obama you’re the “stupid” in the equation.

Slade73 on January 1, 2013 at 6:57 PM

By the way, how was that that crawling on broken glass to vote for Romney thing you vowed to do Nov 6th? Hope you didn’t do too much damage to your nail polish..

HotAirLib on January 1, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Greetings from Galt’s Gulch! It was fine. I hated doing it, but at least I didn’t vote for the incompetent assh0le that you adore.

Just remember: Fund your utopia without me because I will not abandon my cap/lab strike until Obama is out of office.

Enjoy your high unemployment, unsustainable debt, and shyt sammich, luv! :-)

Resist We Much on January 1, 2013 at 6:57 PM

By the way, how was that that crawling on broken glass to vote for Romney thing you vowed to do Nov 6th? Hope you didn’t do too much damage to your nail polish..

HotAirLib on January 1, 2013 at 6:51 PM

BTW, Surgs, I never said that I would crawl over broken glass to vote FOR Romney. I said that I would crawl over broken glass to vote AGAINST Obama. Go back and look at every single thing that I posted.

BIG, SMOOCHY KISS!!! French-style: An air-kiss (think: air guitar without the imaginary guitar) on both cheeks, full of sound and fury, but signifying “I’m not into you. So, drop dead.”

Resist We Much on January 1, 2013 at 7:01 PM

seems like I done just fine w/o one

Slade73 on January 1, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Folks who have little are easily satisfied.

kenny on January 1, 2013 at 7:01 PM

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