Fiscal cliff: Does Boehner have the votes? Update: Boehner vs. Cantor? Update: Boehner to vote yes? Report: House has majority for Senate bill; Update: Bill passes, 257-167

posted at 1:23 pm on January 1, 2013 by Allahpundit

I can’t believe this is what we’re doing on our holiday.

Well said, but don’t forget the punchline: Because the Bush tax cuts will be extended for most earners with next to nothing in offsetting spending cuts, the “deficit reduction deal” technically increases the deficit by nearly $4 trillion over the next decade. Bill Kristol, urging the House to vote yes in the interest of avoiding sequester defense cuts, aptly describes it as a “mess”:

The fiscal cliff deal that the Senate passed early this morning is ridiculous in too many ways to count. There seem to be no figures from the Congressional Budget Office and only “very preliminary” figures from the Joint Tax Committee about the real spending and revenue implications. The two month delay of the sequester will make actual governance even more difficult (how is the Pentagon supposed to plan for the rest of the year?). The sequester delay is funded by a gimmick with retirement savings tax rules that is a caricature of what has become of Washington legislation and policy making. Working Americans making less than $400,000 will be shocked when they find that, contrary to promises from both parties, their taxes are in fact going up (the payroll tax). And we will face another cliff when we hit the debt ceiling and the sequester again in two months.

The deal is a sad commentary on our politics today.

Actually, we face two more cliffs, first the sequester/debt ceiling standoff and then another over the next budget continuing resolution. If you’re serious about fiscal sustainability, the stakes couldn’t be lower. To the extent today’s House vote is interesting, it’s interesting as a type of bread-and-circus: Whether they pass the Senate bill today or pass a marginally less dismal deal in a week or two, the only thing that’s interesting about any of this is the facile political suspense of whether Boehner can muster enough Republican votes, whether Biden can keep Pelosi and House Democrats in line, and what it all means for the next zero-stakes confrontation between Obama and the GOP a few months from now. Ultimately, I think The One is the only player here who had appropriate contempt for the process. He knew nothing important would be achieved so he focused on tax hikes to try to diminish the opposition by driving a wedge in their caucus. In the end, he gave a little on the income threshold in exchange for fracturing House Republicans. Not a bad trade short-term.

Anyway. Does Boehner have the votes? Quite possibly, says the Hill:

To assess party loyalty, The Hill analyzed five controversial bills on fiscal matters that sparked outcry from factions on the right and significant defections from House GOP members: a March 15, 2011 stopgap funding bill; an April 14, 2011 bill that averted a government shutdown; an Aug. 1 roll call on the Budget Control Act; a Nov. 17, 2011 “minibus” appropriations measure; and a Feb. 17, 2012 vote to extend the payroll tax holiday. Republican defections ranged from 54 to 101 on these bills.

Despite the GOP infighting, 92 House Republicans didn’t buck leadership on any on of those measures. This group includes leadership lawmakers, committee and subcommittee chairmen and a surprising number of freshman members. Some of Boehner’s loyal legislators include GOP Reps. Cole, Steven LaTourette (Ohio), Pete King (N.Y.), Darrell Issa (Calif.), Gary Miller (Calif.), Tom Marino (Pa.), Jon Runyan (N.J.) and Steve Stivers (Ohio)…

There are an additional 51 House Republicans who broke ranks on only one of the five votes reviewed by The Hill, including GOP Reps. Bob Goodlatte (Va.), Jeb Hensarling (Texas), Tom Latham (Iowa), Steve Scalise (La.) and Frank Wolf (Va.).

That’s 143 gettable votes. Even if he lost 22 of those, he’d still have enough left over to keep his promise not to bring something to the floor that isn’t supported by a majority of House Republicans. The intrigue will come if he’s close to the magic number but not quite there. In that case, he’ll have to choose: Does he bring the bill to the floor anyway, risking a revolt in Thursday’s Speaker election, or does he torpedo the bill even though it likely will have majority support among the entire House? The GOP caucus is meeting as I write this to sound out its members, but reportedly they’re planning to have at least one more meeting today before making a decision on whether to vote. Are you not entertained?

Here’s Tom Cole, a Boehner loyalist, telling MSNBC he’ll definitely vote for the bill. He predicted this morning that a majority of House Republicans will vote yes as well. One other subplot to watch out for: How will Paul Ryan vote? He backed Boehner on Plan B, but with Rubio having voted no last night, the anti-tax ante for 2016 contenders has been upped. Ryan’s dilemma is that he wields much more influence over his caucus colleagues than Rubio does over his, so if he peels off, he could take enough with him to jeopardize the bill. Exit question: Democrats are crowing this morning that, having forced the GOP to accept new tax hikes now, it’ll be easier to make them do so again during the debt-ceiling negotiations. Is that true or will it actually be harder next time after Republicans face a backlash from their base and insist that they already checked the tax box back during the fiscal-cliff compromise?

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Update: Hmmmmmmmmmm.

Update: Sure sounds like we’re not going to have a vote today.

Update: More from Politico:

An overwhelming number of House Republicans in a party meeting Tuesday are calling on their leadership to amend the Senate’s bill to avert the fiscal cliff and send it back to the upper chamber, according to several sources in the meeting…

There is also some regret among Republicans about the party defeating Speaker John Boehner’s “Plan B” before the holidays, which would have raised taxes on millionaires, whereas the bill the Senate passed around 2 a.m. New Year’s Day raises taxes on households making more than $450,000…

Emerging as a stick point among House Republicans is how McConnell and Biden delayed the sequester — automatic spending cuts. The two-month delay is being viewed by House Republicans as inadequate in that it doesn’t reduce spending immediately.

Hope they’re ready for the backlash tomorrow when markets open way down and our fair and balanced press corps gets back to work.

Update: At least we’re getting our money’s worth of political suspense from this ridiculous charade.

If Boehner brings the bill to the floor over Cantor’s opposition, does that guarantee a “Boehner vs. Cantor” election for Speaker on Thursday?

Update: A few commenters are grumbling about my backlash point above. Fact: There will be a backlash tomorrow if this doesn’t pass. It is what it is. And that’s fine — it’s worth driving a hard bargain to get something important done, even at the price of a backlash. Just remind me again what “important” goal will be achieved by forcing a new round of negotiations. What sort of spending cuts do you expect to see here? A trillion dollars over 10 years when we’re running trillion-dollar deficits annually? Even if they got Obama to agree to that, why would you believe that future Congresses would allow those cuts to happen down the line? This entire process is an elaborate charade designed to postpone the ultimate reckoning on entitlement reform, and you’re simply not going to wring serious entitlement reform out of the Democrats given the two parties’ current postures. Obama just won reelection; the Democrats expanded their numbers in the House and Senate; entitlement reform remains depressingly unpopular among the public despite attempts to educate them about the role mandatory spending plays in driving the national debt. House Republicans aren’t going to hold out for weeks on end in the futile hope of revamping Medicare against that backdrop while middle-class voters stew over their new, higher tax brackets. Why risk some of the GOP’s small reserve of political capital on a deal that’s only negligibly less terrible than this one? I understand the “let it burn” strategy, to force the public to fully absorb the cost of big government. I don’t understand this one.

A quote from Philip Klein: “There’s a lot to hate in this deal, no doubt. But any honest assessment of it must grapple with the reality of Obama as president, Harry Reid as Senate Majority Leader and $4.5 trillion in automatic tax hikes hitting in the new year. With this in mind, I’d rate the deal as objectively bad, but relatively good.”

Update: House Republicans weigh the backlash factor.

Update: If this is true, Boehner’s goal of 120+ Republican votes seems impossible:

Update: And now some pressure on Boehner from the left as a Democratic aide warns that the Senate bill is a take-it-or-leave-it proposition:

“The House Republicans have two choices: cut their losses and pass the deal now, or else put up a fight they cannot win and pass the same deal a few days now after being further humiliated,” said a Senate Democratic leadership aide.

Another senior Democratic aide said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) will not reconsider the bill, which passed by a vote of 89 to 8.

“We’re done,” said the aide.

Update: The word on Twitter is that the GOP caucus will huddle at 5:15 ET. Possible outcomes: Boehner has the votes for the Senate plan and brings it to the floor to try to pass it; Boehner *doesn’t* have the votes but brings it to the floor so that House Republicans can add amendments related to spending cuts; Boehner refuses to bring it to the floor. The first outcome seems unlikely and the third would suffer from terrible optics, so expect JB to choose what’s behind door number two.

Update: Good question.

Update: Sounds like Boehner’s going to give the Senate bill a shot — maybe.

In other words, for the Senate bill to come to the floor, something like 15 Republicans have to oppose amending the bill to include spending cuts. Are there 15 in the entire caucus willing to go on record and do that, even if they’re doing it in the interest of trying to pass the Senate bill now and avert fiscal-cliff aftershocks tomorrow?

Update: The strategy here, I assume, is to use the prospective failure of the amended bill to prove to Republicans that nothing except the Senate bill can pass the House. If they can’t get 218 among their own caucus to support extending the negotiations by demanding cuts, then maybe some GOPers who dislike the Senate bill will hold their noses and vote for it.

Update: Yep, sure sounds like that’s what Boehner has in mind. He’s trying to get the Senate bill through:

Update: A Senate Democratic leadership aide reiterates that a vote to amend the bill in the House is effectively a vote to kill the Senate bill. There’ll be no more fiscal cliff action until the new Congress is seated on Thursday. Quote: “The aide added that House Republicans should not have stepped away from White House negotiations if they needed spending reductions to get the deal.”

Update: DrewM wonders if the spending-cuts amendment might fail simply because some critical mass of conservatives refuses to vote for any bill that doesn’t extend the Bush tax cuts for everyone. In other words, they’ll vote no even on an amended bill because it lets taxes go up on earners who make $450K. The amount of spending cuts attached will be irrelevant. If that’s what they end up doing, it’ll be an awfully dangerous gamble. Once the amended bill fails, you’ll see 100+ Democratic votes flood in for the unamended Senate bill; conceivably you could see nearly the entire Dem caucus vote yes, which means it would take only 40-50 Republicans to vote with them to pass the Biden/McConnell bill with zero cuts. (One of the earlier updates above suggested that that might be feasible.) What that would mean for Boehner’s Speakership, given that he’ll have violated the “majority of the majority” rule to pass it, I don’t know.

Another possibility: What if the amended bill fails and then the up-or-down vote on the Senate bill fails too? After the failure of Plan B and then the failure of two compromise bills, the narrative tomorrow will be that virtually nothing can pass the House.

Update: Sounds like an up-or-down vote might be coming:

Update: Wow. First time I’ve heard this all day:

Update: Just to underscore my point earlier about what a farce this all is, here’s what the House is mulling as their big counteroffer to the Senate on spending:

If there are enough GOP votes to pass the first approach, the House would amend the fiscal cliff bill and send it back to the Senate, the aide said. A second senior GOP leadership aide said that leaders were mulling adding $300 billion in spending cuts to the bill. Details of those cuts weren’t yet available.

That’s $300 billion over 10 years, I take it, or $30 billion annually. Now, go look at this graphic at Zero Hedge and see for yourself how much $30 billion is relative to the annual deficits we’re running these days. This “spending cuts” proposal is a face-saving gesture by the GOP, nothing more. And it still might not pass their own caucus.

Update: Robert Costa says the spending-cuts amendment is in deep trouble:

Can Pelosi deliver 150-170 Democrats? That’s a tall order even for her.

Update: According to GOP Rep. Tim Murphy, the House will vote on the Senate bill sometime tonight. Apparently they couldn’t find 218 Republicans willing to vote for the bill even with a few hundred billion in spending cuts tacked on as an amendment.

Update: I’m honestly shocked:

Remember, the Speaker typically doesn’t vote on bills. He’ll get enough flak from conservative groups if this thing passes with less than a Republican majority that you’d think he wouldn’t want to double down by lending his own vote to the compromise, especially with Cantor publicly opposed to the bill. Either he’s supremely confident that there aren’t 17 Republicans in the caucus willing to block his election as Speaker on Thursday or he’s reached the point where he doesn’t care if they do.

Update: Robert Costa says Boehner’s confident he has 218 from the full House for the Senate bill:

Chuck Todd hears that the vote may come at around 9:30 ET.

Update: Hmmmm:

Update: A footnote from Robert Costa: Allegedly, Boehner will vote only if his vote is needed to get to 218.

Update: The word on Twitter is that the final vote will come at around 11:15 p.m. ET. If you’re sticking around for the end of this charade, you’re a more diligent political junkie than me.

Update: At 11 p.m. ET, it’s a done deal. 257-167, with Democrats providing most of the votes. The Dems split 172-16, Republicans split 85-151. Boehner didn’t come close to satisfying the “majority of the majority” rule, which leaves him on thin ice for Thursday’s Speaker vote. At least he didn’t hide, though: He voted yes tonight, as did Paul Ryan, much to Team Rubio’s delight. Meanwhile, the rest of the leadership team — i.e. Eric Cantor and Kevin McCarthy — voted no, although Cantor waited until the bill had 218 votes to register his meaningless disapproval.

Hard to believe we might have the same leadership in the next Congress as we did for this process, but then not long ago it was also hard to believe we’d have the same leadership in the White House and the Senate in 2013 as we had in 2012. And yet here we are.


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kim roy on January 2, 2013 at 12:17 AM

Thanks for the civil reply. I hope you don’t get tired of ‘fighting the good fight’ like I did after a mere 35 years of seeing everything I predicted coming to fruition despite my best efforts.

LegendHasIt on January 2, 2013 at 12:31 AM

The GOP could not get the cuts because Obama was holding the middle class hostage with the tax rates. Now, that has been taken away from him.

pearson on January 2, 2013 at 12:31 AM

There is only one way out of this GOD.

You had better repent and start praying or you will soon be forced to pray to the Antichrist or die.

Steveangell on January 2, 2013 at 12:09 AM

Okay, everybody’s jumping all over this one. However, in the words of Otter:

Bluto’s right. Psychotic… but absolutely right.

Perhaps a better way to say it would be that the culture-rot that is lubricating America’s slide down the chute into the sh!t-can of history is largely a product of turning away from faith (including God, core families, and general morality). In other words, the realization of the progressive agenda, as planned out by prog thinkers like Wilson, Gramsci, and Cloward and Piven.

bofh on January 2, 2013 at 12:31 AM

Learn from this, GOP. The next time your Speaker has a plan, go with it. The reactionary whining is useless. Otherwise, you’ll keep getting these crap sammiches shoved down your throat. This was entirely predictable. Not surprising at all. Rhetoric and sniping from the sidelines doesn’t equal governance.

tommy71 on January 2, 2013 at 12:32 AM

It’s the abject inability, the pusillanimous refusal, to fight the Narratives or drive their own Narratives. It’s been going on for too long, too continuosly. It’s just cost us too much. People are hitting a wall of recognition that it’s hopeless, that these people are too witless, compromised, clueless and pathetic to tolerate anymore. There is no more moving on.

rrpjr on January 2, 2013 at 12:26 AM

I know what you’re saying, but you have more invested in the philosophy of government and taxation than any of the maggots in congress do. They are about politics and nuts and bolts, not philosophy.

Yes, the country lacks a single politician who can make an intelligent, persuasive moral argument about how to run a government…it’s true. Obama is a complete joke, an affirmative action, know-nothing putz. Boehner is a clown. McConnell is a rumor. Reid is a punk who sweeps out the whore houses in Vegas. Pelosi is insane.

Change the system…run for office…make the argument. We have left an important thing to a den of thieves.

Jaibones on January 2, 2013 at 12:32 AM

Hahahahahahahaha. You’re killin’ me, man.

They (LSM, “low-info voters”, and GOPe) hate us. Deal with it. Nothing we can do will change their narrative, nor cause them to give us a fair shake. Sorry to say that, but hey, it is what it is. The country is so polarized now that there is no point in trying to curry favor – it only demeans, fragments, and further weakens us.

bofh on January 2, 2013 at 12:18 AM

Cool beans. This seems like completely sensible political advice; don’t court new voters, just depend on our super-strong base which lost in 2012.

You guys are hilarious. Keep deflecting and blaming the nebulous ‘establishment’ for your own failings in fashioning a direction for this country that people are actually willing to vote for. Until then, you’re rightfully dismissed as a sideshow act.

Good Solid B-Plus on January 2, 2013 at 12:34 AM

And with the head fake the usual play will be called. They got 660 billion more in the mail, they’ll send 1,320 billion more out in the mail to say thanks.

Perfect.

Drops my lighter.

Limerick on January 2, 2013 at 12:34 AM

So Boehner got it through with Democrat votes. Essentially, Boehner is now Pelosi.

How does he continue as Speaker when he can only deliver votes with the support of the opposition? He is a lame duck, and his only honourable move (in my opinion) is to step down as Speaker.

That does NOT mean Cantor should be Speaker. He is a snake and did the snakelike thing and voted against the bill only after it had enough votes to pass. I would like to see Ryan as Speaker.

Blaise on January 2, 2013 at 12:35 AM

tommy71: “Learn from this, GOP. The next time your Speaker has a plan, go with it.”

Are you saying resistance is futile?

Belle on January 2, 2013 at 12:36 AM

crosspatch on January 2, 2013 at 12:30 AM

crosspatch…a good old Boehner Republican.

newtopia on January 2, 2013 at 12:36 AM

Payroll tax break was not continued. Surprise!

newtopia on January 2, 2013 at 12:30 AM

Big deal. We never wanted that tax cut anyway. Obamacare is the disaster I am still fighting…not this. Obama raised taxes…it won’t do any good and it will do harm. He’ll own it.

Fine with me.

Jaibones on January 2, 2013 at 12:36 AM

Make no mistake … the $300 billion in new spending is the real disaster here, and we should be screaming that from the rooftops.

Jaibones on January 2, 2013 at 12:38 AM

Cantor is an opportunistic coward.

blue13326 on January 2, 2013 at 12:39 AM

I’m screaming!!! I don’t want to give our tax dollars to Hollywood!!!
Sneaking in pork, & no one bothered to read it?!?
oops, no one’s listening.

Belle on January 2, 2013 at 12:40 AM

@Belle Nope, resist the opponent. Not your own Speaker. If you don’t stand united, the opponent wins.

tommy71 on January 2, 2013 at 12:40 AM

Start the chisels on Rushmore. There will be five looking across America soon. Praise be!

Limerick on January 2, 2013 at 12:41 AM

Go ahead, pick on Cantor. He’s one of MANY opportunistic rinos.

Belle on January 2, 2013 at 12:41 AM

That does NOT mean Cantor should be Speaker. He is a snake and did the snakelike thing and voted against the bill only after it had enough votes to pass. I would like to see Ryan as Speaker.

Blaise on January 2, 2013 at 12:35 AM

Ryan voted for it, saying it was the conservative thing to do.

RickB on January 2, 2013 at 12:41 AM

Cool beans. This seems like completely sensible political advice; don’t court new voters, just depend on our super-strong base which lost in 2012.

You guys are hilarious. Keep deflecting and blaming the nebulous ‘establishment’ for your own failings in fashioning a direction for this country that people are actually willing to vote for. Until then, you’re rightfully dismissed as a sideshow act.

Good Solid B-Plus on January 2, 2013 at 12:34 AM

You made a lot of sense tonight. Thanks.

pearson on January 2, 2013 at 12:45 AM

Perhaps a better way to say it would be that the culture-rot that is lubricating America’s slide down the chute into the sh!t-can of history is largely a product of turning away from faith (including God, core families, and general morality). In other words, the realization of the progressive agenda, as planned out by prog thinkers like Wilson, Gramsci, and Cloward and Piven.

bofh on January 2, 2013 at 12:31 AM

Amen brother. I believe in God, it’s religion that I have a hard time wrapping my mind around.

Vince on January 2, 2013 at 12:45 AM

That’s right, Ryan voted for it. & all that pork! & all those tax increases! Imagine that!
Hey, Ryan, you helped Spielberg & liberal Hollywood!
A politician showing his true colors.
Don’t forget, rinos redistricted & got rid of Allen West, a true conservative.

Belle on January 2, 2013 at 12:45 AM

Weepy Boner needs to be REPLACED as speaker or PRIMARIED out of the House.

wildcat72 on January 2, 2013 at 12:46 AM

If Cantor is the alternative to Boehner, there is no alternative. I would not even be surprised if Cantor was Kabuking away with his no vote tonight. Cantor is an establishment shill.

KMav on January 2, 2013 at 12:49 AM

The GOP could not get the cuts because Obama was holding the middle class hostage with the tax rates. Now, that has been taken away from him.

pearson on January 2, 2013 at 12:31 AM

STFU you idiot.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 2, 2013 at 12:49 AM

Okay who didn’t think the Repugs were going to cave? Anybody? Anybody?
It is nothing but theater for the Morons. Then our conservative reps will come back and say ” I didn’t vote for it, or I couldn’t allow the middle class taxes to go up it would have been terrible (for my re-election chances). So I say Fluke them all, if they are in office primary their azz, if they are incumbent, vote them out, we can’t do any worse than we are now. Burn the whole Republican party to the ground and start over. We have scared little children as our leaders, whiner Bonehead, and useless Itch McConnell can we get any worse leaders honestly? You would really have to work at it, to suck at your job as much as these people do. I believe the old Republican guard has done us a favor. they are helping create a third party right in front of our eyes, Hey McCain, McConnell, Romney, Graham, Christie, you are not getting a invite to the prom. Go join the Dems, you all seem to love them a lot.

stormridercx4 on January 2, 2013 at 12:52 AM

If Cantor is the alternative to Boehner, there is no alternative. I would not even be surprised if Cantor was Kabuking away with his no vote tonight. Cantor is an establishment shill.

KMav on January 2, 2013 at 12:49 AM

Yeah … Cantor’s a worm, but it doesn’t matter. All that matters is that Boner is thrown out of the Weepership and physically tossed out onto the street. I still don’t expect anything from the turds in the GOP but Boner has to go, no matter what. It would be nice to kick Cantor and McCarthy out on their butts, too, but the GOP has enough problems finally getting rid of Boner.

Frankly, they should have voted to toss Boner tonight, before his term is up, just to make a point.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 2, 2013 at 12:53 AM

Interesting conversation about a Representative Republic that doesn’t exist anymore…

… How are those ratings for American Idol?

Look to the Spring 2013 for the $Dollar to collapse…

… Enjoy!

Seven Percent Solution on January 2, 2013 at 1:11 AM

I’m not apologizing for Boehner, but this is about 85% the public’s fault for reelecting the Fifth Column and about 15% feckless GOP leadership. At least I won’t have to hear about millionaires and billionaires anymore for a while…or will I?

The Count on January 2, 2013 at 1:24 AM

The GOP can go to hell. They’ve sold us out. This country is finished.

WisCon on January 2, 2013 at 1:48 AM

“Look to the Spring 2013 for the $Dollar to collapse…”

Betcha it doesn’t. It takes a lot to bring down the world’s reserve currency. We’re not even close to that point.

sauropod on January 2, 2013 at 2:04 AM

“This country is finished.”

Yeah, we raised marginal tax rates on the highest earners by a few percentage points, while making the Bush tax cuts permanent for 98% of taxpayers, indexing the AMT, keeping dividend and cap gain taxes at 15% for most taxpayers, and establishing a $5 mil threshold for the death tax (also indexed to inflation).

But we didn’t get absolutely everything we wanted, so you’re right, the USA is finished.

Oh, and apparently we’re all gonna have to worship the Antichrist, which also kinda sucks.

sauropod on January 2, 2013 at 2:09 AM

But we didn’t get absolutely everything we wanted, so you’re right, the USA is finished.

sauropod on January 2, 2013 at 2:09 AM

Are you really foolish enough to think that the outcome of this mattered one way or the other? The spending will go on without relent and that is the point. The drunken sailors got their bank loan and are out for another night on the town.

sharrukin on January 2, 2013 at 2:14 AM

Don’t forget, rinos redistricted & got rid of Allen West, a true conservative.

Belle on January 2, 2013 at 12:45 AM

You need to educate your self on West’s voting record and then come back later. Much later.

Mr. Arrogant on January 2, 2013 at 2:25 AM

Disgrace to be soon followed by Ignominy, come the debt ceiling “debate” (watch the teetering ramparts flop over into the mud), which will amount to President Delusion telling the Republicans what he wants and the Republicans refusing to compromise their principles. Until they do. A few press conferences later. Gnashing of teeth having become the only true skill of the Capitol Hill Republican leadership.

Barack Obama is playing with house money. Why? Because he honestly doesn’t care what happens to the American economy. He’s one of the dumbest supposedly brilliant people this nation has ever had touch its helm and the icebergs are dead ahead. The man is drunk with power and unbridled by knowledge, sailing his toy ship full speed ahead.

Which would be just jolly fun, if we weren’t all on board with him.

IndieDogg on January 2, 2013 at 2:44 AM

Republicans that voted for it: *-not returning to congress

Rodney Alexander-LA 5
Lou Barletta-PA 11
Charles Bass-NH 2*
Dan Benishek-MI 1
Judy Biggert-IL 13*
Brian Bilbray-CA 50*
John Boehner-OH 8
Mary Bono Mack-CA 45*
Kevin Brady-TX 8
Vern Beuchanan-FL 16
Ken Calvert-CA 42
Dave Camp-MI 4
Howard Coble-NC 6
Tom Cole-OK 4
Ander Crenshaw-FL 4
Jeff Denham-CA 10
Charles Dent-PA 15
Mario Diaz-Balart-FL 25
Bob Dold-IL 10*
David Dreier-CA 26*
Jo Ann Emerson-MO 8*
Mike Fitzpatrick-PA 8
Jeff Fortenberry-NE 1
Rodney Frelinghuysen-NJ 11
Elton Gallegly-CA 24*
Jim Gerlach-PA 6
Chris Gibson-NY 19
Michael Grimm-NY 11
Richard Hanna-NY 22
Doc Hastings-WA 4
Nan Hayworth-NY 19*
Joe Heck-NV 3
Wally Herger-CA 2*
Jaime Herrera Beutler-WA 3
Tim Johnson-IL 15*
Bill Johnson-OH 6
Mike Kelly-PA 3
Peter King-NY 3
Adam Kinzinger-IL 16
John Kline-MN 2
Leonard Lance-NJ 7
Steve LaTourette-OH 14*
Bob Latta-OH 5
Frank LoBiondo-NJ 2
Frank Lucas-OK 3
Blaine Luetkemeyer-MO 9
Dan Lungren-CA 3*
Don Manzullo-IL 16*
Tom Marino-PA 10
Buck McKeon-CA 25
Cathy McMorris Rodgers-WA 5
Pat Meehan-PA 7
Candice Miller-MI 10
Gary Miller-CA 31
Tim Murphy-PA 18
Kristi Noem-SD
Joe Pitts-PA 16
Todd Platts-PA 19*
Tom Reed-NY 23
Dave Reichert-WA 8
Reid Ribble-WI 8
Hal Rogers-KY 5
Mike Rogers-MI 8
Ileana Ros-Lehtinen-FL 27
Ed Royce-CA 39
Jon Runyan-NJ 3
Paul Ryan-WI 1
Aaron Schock-IL 18
Pete Sessions-TX 32
John Shimkus-IL 15
Bill Shuster-PA 9
Mike Simpson-ID 2
Chris Smith-NJ 4
Lamar Smith-TX 21
Steve Stivers-OH 15
John Sullivan-OK 1*
Glenn Thompson-PA 5
Mac Thornberry-TX 13
Pat Tiberi-OH 12
Bob Turner-NY 9*
Fred Upton-MI 6
Greg Walden-OR 2
Steve Womack-AR 3
Don Young-AK
Bill Young-FL 13

topdawg on January 2, 2013 at 2:49 AM

The GOP can go to hell. They’ve sold us out. This country is finished.

WisCon on January 2, 2013 at 1:48 AM

The sad thing is this should have been realized 8-10 years ago. The writing was on the wall but the loyal Kool-Aid drinking GOP water carriers (about 98% of HotAir commenters) were as blind as a bat. Don’t believe me? Just read any thread on here. I can’t count how many times I’ve read, “throw Boehner out and replace him with Paul Ryan.” Paul Ryan?! Are you kidding me?! It’s for this flawed thinking that we are in the mess we are in now. I’ll bet 95% of the people on this thread voted for Mitt Romney. Any they talk about ill-imformed voters. To vote for Mitt Romney is to admit that you’re completely clueless as to what a conservative is or either you’ll sell out everything you believe in to just get the win. Mitt Romney is a liberal as well as the rest of the GOP. Name one person in the House or Senate that is not a lib. Just one. A grassroots effort needs to be started right now to literally throw every person in Congress out next time around (if there is a next time) and I don’t mean the cliche “throw the bums out”, I mean really try to throw everyone of them out.

You hear it said so many times when one of them retire, “oh he was a public servant, he served for 30 years”. No, no he/she was NOT a servant, they were freaking power-hungry leaches of the American people. These low-lifes disgust me. They are worse than bottom feeders. And no, I don’t want to hear how “we need Rubio, Ryan, Rand Paul, etc. etc.” They are EXACTLY the reason America will probably NEVER be what it once was and what it started out being. I’m only 40 years old and I remember when America was a lot better than it is now. I know it was even better before my time and it saddens me to no end. I have 4 children, 3 months to 6 years old and I’m afraid I’ll only be able to sit them down and tell them how America USED to be. I don’t see how they could possibly ever understand otherwise because I don’t believe they’ll ever see it for themselves.

air_up_there on January 2, 2013 at 3:09 AM

I would like to see Ryan as Speaker.

Ryan voted for the bill. He also pimped himself out as Romney’s conservative beard.

casuist on January 2, 2013 at 3:22 AM

To vote for Mitt Romney is to admit that you’re completely clueless as to what a conservative is or either you’ll sell out everything you believe in to just get the win.

Thank you, Master of the Obvious.

casuist on January 2, 2013 at 3:24 AM

topdawg on January 2, 2013 at 2:49 AM

Nice list, link so I can pass it around?
so 69 of these bastards are swearign back in on Thursday. Just great.

rayra on January 2, 2013 at 4:32 AM

Paul Ryan voted for it.

And my generally conservative congressman / Chair of the Armed Services Cmt Buck McKeon voted FOR it.
Probably some ‘greater good’ bullshit. Or he thinks my 50/50 region won’t re-elect if he doesn’t.
He got re-appointed as Chair of that Cmt., in the incoming 113th Congress. So he’s pretty much part of the Leadership cabal. I wonder how many other incoming Chairs voted Yes with Boehner.

rayra on January 2, 2013 at 4:52 AM

My congressman from Georgia represented the sane wing of the GOP and voted against it.
Man was I wrong about Ryan … what a douche!

kregg on January 2, 2013 at 5:11 AM

My congressman from Georgia represented the sane wing of the GOP and voted against it.
Man was I wrong about Ryan … what a douche!

kregg on January 2, 2013 at 5:11 AM

Ryan has a negative track record on these issues as far as I am concerned, so his vote doesn’t surprise me.

Anti-Control on January 2, 2013 at 5:16 AM

Official: Voting GOP or dem doesn’t really doesn’t matter, same party.

In the past, if there wasn’t a Libertarian running, I voted for the Republican. That won’t happen anymore; they are just as bad if not worse than their socialist counterpart.

Panther on January 2, 2013 at 5:19 AM

My congressman from Georgia represented the sane wing of the GOP and voted against it.
Man was I wrong about Ryan … what a douche!

kregg on January 2, 2013 at 5:11 AM

Ryan has a negative track record on these issues as far as I am concerned, so his vote doesn’t surprise me.

Anti-Control on January 2, 2013 at 5:16 AM

The ONLY Congressman who has a plan to deal with anything affecting the future isn’t good enough for some of you…why don’t some you get some stones and run then? I see here and over at Ace all the “F**K the GOP!” crapola and playing into President Alinky’s plans of fracturing the GOP, right down to the base.

I’m not going to sit here and say my Congressman is all great and good but he voted for this or voted for TARP, but what I will say you ideological purists are nuts…if you’re going to trash the GOP, then say goodbye to the states where they’re winning then too. Don’t like Paul Ryan, then you don’t like Scott Walker as well. Don’t like Eric Cantor, you don’t like Mike Pence then either.

The dems are neck deep into their “Bring down America” playbook and now they’re onto the “fracture the base” section and all I see are people out there bitching and complaining with the long knives ready to go third party (LOL)…that isn’t going to win a damn thing and you know it. You’re playing right into it all.

I’ll repeat, if y’all are going to leave the GOP, then you’re admitting what’s happening at the state and local level (where the GOP is generally kicking the dems in arse) doesn’t mean a thing to you then. THIRTY states have told Obama to go pound sand on his Obamacare exchanges…30 out of 50 states…that’s meaningless to some of you?! Give me a break…

StevefromMKE on January 2, 2013 at 5:28 AM

Don’t quite what y’all are complaining about…the general wisdom was that the tactic the GOP should do is to lay back and let the dems deliver most of the Yes votes so it doesn’t get hung around their necks..and that’s what happened.

So much for tactics…the new conservative media will still complain about it. And now I see here and at Ace the “screw the GOP” nonsense going on. I wouldn’t want some of you running campaigns if that’s the case.

And if you’re saying screw Paul Ryan, then you’re saying screw Scott Walker, Mike Pence…they’re the same and you’re also not giving a damn about the states as well then. 30 states have told Obama to go pound sand over his Obamacare exchanges…that doesn’t happen without GOP legislators with backbones people…

StevefromMKE on January 2, 2013 at 5:37 AM

very glad my guy trent franks said no….

cmsinaz on January 2, 2013 at 5:48 AM

Remember, approximately 2/3 of the GOP who voted “no” gladly voted “yes” for Boehner’s plan B. They would have voted yes if their votes were needed to pass this mess. The republicans are no better than the dems.

Panther on January 2, 2013 at 5:59 AM

30 states have told Obama to go pound sand over his Obamacare exchanges…that doesn’t happen without GOP legislators with backbones people…

StevefromMKE on January 2, 2013 at 5:37 AM

It disgusts me no end that my home state of Illinois is not one of these states, but instead practically drops its pants, bends over and urges Obama to give it another one at the drop of a hat.

Illinois politics is so corrupt, you can smell the stench of it from space!

pilamaye on January 2, 2013 at 6:01 AM

The republicans are no better than the dems.

Panther on January 2, 2013 at 5:59 AM

Exactly right! They are just as corrupt in every way.

air_up_there on January 2, 2013 at 6:08 AM

. At least he didn’t hide, though: He voted yes tonight, as did Paul Ryan, much to Team Rubio’s delight.

Well, Ryan is a grown up. We will have to wait and see what happens in a couple of months to know if this will hurt or help Rubio. If it turns out that in the debt ceiling negotiations Republicans are able to get some spending cuts then Rubio will be labelled the guy who would have sent us off the cliff…if not then he can say that if he had his way we would have gone off the cliff sooner. In other words, I doubt that this vote will have that much impact on who wins that nomination four years from now. The truth is that Rubio and the rest of the people who voted no on this were not going to get what they wanted in any event so just voting no means little…especially when 7 out of 10 Americans wanted some resolution here. I know I was beginning to feel like I was Bill Murray in Groundhog Day..the same crap over and over again. As for Boehner…why would he want this job?

Terrye on January 2, 2013 at 6:25 AM

Terrye on January 2, 2013 at 6:25 AM

The GOP blew it when they nixed that ‘Plan B’ vote. That was the best deal they were going to get. This deal should have been killed and left to the next Congress to work through. Our Congress Cravens put the lame in lame duck.

MJBrutus on January 2, 2013 at 6:37 AM

So we now get six weeks of relative quiet until the next GOP surrender. The only question that remains is which comes first; the economic collapse or the Democratic takeover of the House in 2014 (followed by the collapse).

Annar on January 2, 2013 at 6:40 AM

Ryan couldn’t even deliver his own state in the presidential election and has now lost his bonafides as a fiscal conservative. He is nothing more than a hapless party loyalist.

Panther on January 2, 2013 at 6:45 AM

Well, Ryan is a grown up.

Terrye on January 2, 2013 at 6:25 AM

This kind of rationalization makes me laugh, reminding me of those who thought they were the grown-ups when they urged Reagan to not say, “Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!” because they were scared it would be counterproductive.

Sorry, pompous people like you don’t understand what good leadership is.

Anti-Control on January 2, 2013 at 6:58 AM

These politicians never have had any shame.
EVERY single bill is always loaded with pork.
Sure, raise our S.S. taxes 2%, knowing it won’t be used for S.S.
But go ahead & give your cronies perks, compliments of the taxpayer.

“$430 million for Hollywood through “special expensing rules” to encourage TV and film production in the United States. Producers can expense up to $15 million of costs for their projects.
$331 million for railroads by allowing short-line and regional operators to claim a tax credit up to 50 percent of the cost to maintain tracks that they own or lease.
$222 million for Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands through returned excise taxes collected by the federal government on rum produced in the islands and imported to the mainland.
$70 million for NASCAR by extending a “7-year cost recovery period for certain motorsports racing track facilities.”
$59 million for algae growers through tax credits to encourage production of “cellulosic biofuel” at up to $1.01 per gallon.
$4 million for electric motorcycle makers by expanding an existing green-energy tax credit for buyers of plug-in vehicles to include electric motorbikes.”

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/01/fiscal-cliff-deal-also-doles-out-millions-for-hollywood-railroads-rum-producers/

Belle on January 1, 2013 at 11:16 PM

And did Boehner bring any of this to the American people? Did the leadership make any attempt at all to fight the massive spending? So I guess our beloved leadership is OK with America going bankrupt.

Boehner is only the freaking Speaker of the House of Representatives … he’s suppose to be the head of half of congress and all the freak he can do is offer up Nancy Pelosi’s plan or side with Democrats to pass this?

He’s third in line to the Presidency and this is all he can do? Side with the Democrats? Tell the GOP that Democrats won! Democrats are in power? Democrat laws are the law of the land? Why the freak was he voted into office then?! To side with the Democrats at every freaking turn?!

Yeah.. that’s why I vote Republican because they are the party of the Democrats! Makes perfect sense to me!

Boehenr and Cantor have got to freaking go or it’s over! They are assisting in bankrupting our nation! They are supporting the freaking people who want to drive America down into the freaking black hole of debt and inflation!

What the heck is the matter with these people?!

Again.. I have no anger at a single Democrat! It’s our side that makes me want to puke!

A big freaking disgrace is what the GOP is today! A big pathetic disgrace! This party and this leadership will go down in history as the party who did nothing! They did absolutely freaking nothing to stop the bankruptcy of America! In fact.. they helped to push it over the cliff!

What a freaking shame! All the men and women who have sacrificed so much over the years to build and defend this nation and now it’s just all given up by spineless politicians! Crying weepy girly men who are afraid of being called names!

I lack the words, man. I think over and over of those two brave CIA men who gave up their lives defending others in Benghazi… desperately waiting in vain for help to come! They confronted mobs with guns for what was right and sacred.. and now it’s to be thrown away by the likes of weeping Boehner and Cantor!

JellyToast on January 2, 2013 at 6:59 AM

I am just plain disgusted by the GOP Elite. My take.

kingsjester on January 2, 2013 at 7:06 AM

Boehenr and Cantor have got to freaking go or it’s over! They are assisting in bankrupting our nation! They are supporting the freaking people who want to drive America down into the freaking black hole of debt and inflation!

What the heck is the matter with these people?!

Again.. I have no anger at a single Democrat! It’s our side that makes me want to puke!

A big freaking disgrace is what the GOP is today! A big pathetic disgrace! This party and this leadership will go down in history as the party who did nothing! They did absolutely freaking nothing to stop the bankruptcy of America! In fact.. they helped to push it over the cliff!

What a freaking shame! All the men and women who have sacrificed so much over the years to build and defend this nation and now it’s just all given up by spineless politicians! Crying weepy girly men who are afraid of being called names!

I lack the words, man. I think over and over of those two brave CIA men who gave up their lives defending others in Benghazi… desperately waiting in vain for help to come! They confronted mobs with guns for what was right and sacred.. and now it’s to be thrown away by the likes of weeping Boehner and Cantor!

JellyToast on January 2, 2013 at 6:59 AM
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Great stuff Jelly.
The key is to get someone better to replace all the squishy rinos left in Congress. Every two years we need more Tea Party candidates and slowly but surely we can reverse the trends toward socialism/communism.
Meanwhile we need to educate congress to understand that they will get pummeled by the DBM no matter what they do! So why not make the right call to begin with.Vote for the benefit of the country and then hold your head high.If they lose an election because they did the right thing for the country so be it.
My guess is few will lose.

rodguy911 on January 2, 2013 at 7:18 AM

The evolution of the gop into “THE OTHER DEMOCRAT PARTY” has been going on (in earnest) since the Bush 41 presidency.

PROVE to me (show me consistent actions) that this party is an effective opposition party to the now American Communist party (aka Democrats)?

DEAD
DEAD
DEAD

gop

PappyD61 on January 2, 2013 at 7:24 AM

A Special Thank You toTennessee’s Scott DesJarlais, Marsha Blackburn, Phil Roe, Fleischmann & Fincher for voting NO !!!

purgatory on January 2, 2013 at 7:25 AM

Well, Ryan is a grown up. We will have to wait and see what happens in a couple of months to know if this will hurt or help Rubio. If it turns out that in the debt ceiling negotiations Republicans are able to get some spending cuts then Rubio will be labelled the guy who would have sent us off the cliff…if not then he can say that if he had his way we would have gone off the cliff sooner. In other words, I doubt that this vote will have that much impact on who wins that nomination four years from now. The truth is that Rubio and the rest of the people who voted no on this were not going to get what they wanted in any event so just voting no means little…especially when 7 out of 10 Americans wanted some resolution here. I know I was beginning to feel like I was Bill Murray in Groundhog Day..the same crap over and over again. As for Boehner…why would he want this job?

Terrye on January 2, 2013 at 6:25 AM

1. You actually think that the Rs are going to get spending cuts if so there is a bridge I’d like to sell you in Brooklyn.

2. Rubio got exactly what he wanted from that vote and it had nothing to do with the underlying policy debate at all and everything to do with 2016

3. Which brings me to my beef with Ryan.. It was really stupid politics. Ryan probably screwed any Presidential ambitions that he had and he didn’t get anything from the deal unless he really is that naïve to believe that Barry is totally going to decide to reform Medicare. But hey.. I guess he can just go back to being a historical footnote and the obscure Congressman from WI that no one has ever heard of who will never achieve anything. Seriously, not sure why he is still in Congress if he just wants to pontificate about Medicare on You Tube videos. He can do that from his basement in Janesville.

4. The only way that spending ever gets under control is the Republicans winning the White House, which is never going to happen especially since the presumptive 2016 nominee is incredibly unserious and we’re screwed with demographics. So utter despair until America’s inevitable collapse is in order.

Illinidiva on January 2, 2013 at 7:28 AM

Romney/Ryan was just another Bush/Cheney big gov loving Conservative posing politician match.

……..lucky for us America couldn’t bring itself to actually FIRE the affirmative action failure they hired in 2008.

Obama is America’s chicken come home to woost. Jeremiah Wright was correct.

PappyD61 on January 2, 2013 at 7:31 AM

Feel the love, Harry Reid!

pilamaye on January 2, 2013 at 7:31 AM

Yeah, we raised marginal tax rates on the highest earners by a few percentage points, while making the Bush tax cuts permanent for 98% of taxpayers, indexing the AMT, keeping dividend and cap gain taxes at 15% for most taxpayers, and establishing a $5 mil threshold for the death tax (also indexed to inflation).

But we didn’t get absolutely everything we wanted, so you’re right, the USA is finished.

Umm.. it is very clear that the Rs are never going to get spending cuts, especially not from Barry, so we didn’t achieve anything. Barry got his pound of flesh, but it is clear that he wants more.

Oh, and apparently we’re all gonna have to worship the Antichrist, which also kinda sucks.

sauropod on January 2, 2013 at 2:09 AM

51% of the country already does.

Illinidiva on January 2, 2013 at 7:32 AM

Betcha it doesn’t. It takes a lot to bring down the world’s reserve currency. We’re not even close to that point.

sauropod on January 2, 2013 at 2:04 AM

I totally support the dollar collapsing. Why not just get the inevitable over with?

Illinidiva on January 2, 2013 at 7:36 AM

Aren’t all tax bills supposed to originate in the House?

stenwin77 on January 2, 2013 at 7:37 AM

Anybody But Boehner.

There must be accountability for a Speaker who sides with Democrats to pass a defining bill against the will of the majority of his own party.

Anybody But Boehner.

petefrt on January 2, 2013 at 7:42 AM

kingsjester on January 2, 2013 at 7:06 AM

Yup, not RINO’s, but Vichy Republicans.

petefrt on January 2, 2013 at 7:49 AM

The tolling bells you are hearing are marking the death of the GOP!

redware on January 2, 2013 at 7:57 AM

A big freaking disgrace is what the GOP is today! A big pathetic disgrace! This party and this leadership will go down in history as the party who did nothing! They did absolutely freaking nothing to stop the bankruptcy of America! In fact.. they helped to push it over the cliff!

Whatever made you think that they were ever the “opposition” instead of “Me-too” wing of the ruling class?

Don L on January 2, 2013 at 8:09 AM

topdawg on January 2, 2013 at 2:49 AM

A tax on our houses, a pox on their’s.

Fallon on January 2, 2013 at 8:14 AM

Cowards! Thieves! All those who voted for the so-called deal has, once again, only delayed the Day Of Reckoning! On pox on all those who voted yes!

BigGator5 on January 2, 2013 at 8:15 AM

Those complaining are morons. YOU WON. The spending cuts have only been delayed. So progressives have to hope that the war mongering Democrats will actually fight to maintain the defense cuts and also fight to stave off the domestic spending cuts. Democrats have shown almost no interest in doing either since Clinton signed welfare reform. And the ONLY Democrats who have the power to stop a House bill that guts domestic discretionary spending are int he Senate, i.e. the most conservative elected Democrats in the country. What are you complaining about. You won!

libfreeordie on January 2, 2013 at 8:20 AM

Yeah, we raised marginal tax rates on the highest earners by a few percentage points, while making the Bush tax cuts permanent for 98% of taxpayers, indexing the AMT, keeping dividend and cap gain taxes at 15% for most taxpayers, and establishing a $5 mil threshold for the death tax (also indexed to inflation).

But we didn’t get absolutely everything we wanted, so you’re right, the USA is finished.
………………………………………………..

You make a good point. Problem is that zeros entire goal, probably devised by the bent axel, was to get us to agree to “any” tax increase. Something we haven’t done in 20 years.
THey will now brag about that until the end of time!!
Sad we were put into such a pathetic no win position by allowing the entire class warfare issue to even exist.
It’s just like it was all GW’s fault and many other issues we never countered and are now paying the price.

rodguy911 on January 2, 2013 at 8:21 AM

Dave Reichert-WA 8
Cathy McMorris Rodgers-WA 5
Jaime Herrera Beutler-WA 3
Doc Hastings-WA 4

A pox on these traitors and their families. I am so through with the Republican party. Done. Finito.

Mr. Arrogant on January 2, 2013 at 8:30 AM

libfreeordie on January 2, 2013 at 8:20 AM

Eff off!

Fallon on January 2, 2013 at 8:31 AM

Cantor would be worse than Boner. This is all theater.

Maybe the plane that crashed in Shankland, PA should have completed its original mission.

stenwin77 on January 2, 2013 at 8:32 AM

I’m a hard core fiscal conservative but the house Republicans were pushed into a corner from which they could not escape . . . they could have cut off their noses to spite their faces or performed the last great act of defiance, but voting to save the paychecks of the common people was their choice and it took courage to do it . . . this was only a skirmish and the war goes on.

rplat on January 2, 2013 at 8:36 AM

Voting for this bill was an act of treason against the people of America – plain and simple.

Pork-Chop on January 2, 2013 at 8:37 AM

Paul Ryan-just another traitor to the conservative cause,just another political hack!

redware on January 2, 2013 at 8:43 AM

What disgusts me the most is the fact that nobody is even mentioning the fact the bill is Illegal. Does no one see that this bill was originated and passed in the Senate then voted on by the House? US Constitution Article 1 Section 7:
“All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills.”

Greenshield on January 2, 2013 at 8:47 AM

Learn from this, GOP. The next time your Speaker has a plan, go with it. The reactionary whining is useless. Otherwise, you’ll keep getting these crap sammiches shoved down your throat. This was entirely predictable. Not surprising at all. Rhetoric and sniping from the sidelines doesn’t equal governance.

tommy71 on January 2, 2013 at 12:32 AM

This is what’s destroying your country. “Shut up and do as we say, no matter the predictable outcome.” Classic.

They are more intelligent than you, don’t you know?

Cool beans. This seems like completely sensible political advice; don’t court new voters, just depend on our super-strong base which lost in 2012.

You guys are hilarious. Keep deflecting and blaming the nebulous ‘establishment’ for your own failings in fashioning a direction for this country that people are actually willing to vote for. Until then, you’re rightfully dismissed as a sideshow act.

Good Solid B-Plus on January 2, 2013 at 12:34 AM

Translated, keep moving left like we did under Bush, we can expand our voting pool that way. Look how wonderful that’s worked out.

Continue to compromise honor and principle. Continue to think INSIDE of the box, and America gets what is now happening. Where are there any core principles in any of Mr B-Plus’ comments?

Seriously folks, how LONG have guys like Mr B-Plus been saying that? For an eternity it seems. And all it’s gotten you is more and more government. He calls for more of the same. Yes, seriously.

Perhaps a better way to say it would be that the culture-rot that is lubricating America’s slide down the chute into the sh!t-can of history is largely a product of turning away from faith (including God, core families, and general morality). In other words, the realization of the progressive agenda, as planned out by prog thinkers like Wilson, Gramsci, and Cloward and Piven.

bofh on January 2, 2013 at 12:31 AM

You’re on to something. Others would be wise to listen.

If Cantor is the alternative to Boehner, there is no alternative. I would not even be surprised if Cantor was Kabuking away with his no vote tonight. Cantor is an establishment shill.

KMav on January 2, 2013 at 12:49 AM

The game is rigged. What can one say. The pragmatics own your party.

The GOP will betray you

True_King on January 2, 2013 at 9:02 AM

Aren’t all tax bills supposed to originate in the House?
stenwin77 on January 2, 2013 at 7:37 AM

That was my understanding too. Silly Constitution.

conservative pilgrim on January 2, 2013 at 9:07 AM

Four good Illinois votes:

Randy Hultgren, R-Winfield NO

Peter Roskam, R-Wheaton NO

Bobby Schilling, R-Colona NO

Joe Walsh, R-McHenry NO

Roskam, Chief Deputy Whip, voted against party leadership… Maybe, a dark horse for Speaker?

Fallon on January 2, 2013 at 9:08 AM

@True_King The GOP will retrain you. Lol.

tommy71 on January 2, 2013 at 9:13 AM

The sad truth is that the fiscal cliff was preferable to this travesty, which continues the illusion that we can fund our profligate spending by borrowing and/or printing. Higher income taxes on all Americans was exactly what we needed. The citizenry must pay for their spending directly; otherwise, the ignorant mob will continue voting for its “free” goodies until a debt crisis destroys the currency.

EddieC on January 2, 2013 at 9:13 AM

A Special Thank You toTennessee’s Scott DesJarlais, Marsha Blackburn, Phil Roe, Fleischmann & Fincher for voting NO !!!

purgatory on January 2, 2013 at 7:25 AM

Scott had to take time out from boinking his patients and arranging abortions.

chumpThreads on January 2, 2013 at 9:14 AM

The citizenry must pay for their spending directly; otherwise, the ignorant mob will continue voting for its “free” goodies until a debt crisis destroys the currency.

EddieC on January 2, 2013 at 9:13 AM

This will continue now a while and then crash. It’s not preventable now. The GOP surrendered to insanity.

dogsoldier on January 2, 2013 at 9:17 AM

The pragmatics own your party.

True_King on January 2, 2013 at 9:02 AM

Remember, there is a difference between principled pragmatism and pragmatism which is based primarily upon political considerations (I could easily substitute “fear” for “considerations” here), so please, don’t lump all of us pragmatists on the Right together! :)

Anti-Control on January 2, 2013 at 9:17 AM

rplat on January 2, 2013 at 8:36 AM

The first mistake was allowing Obama to shift all this mess to after the election. That should never have happened.

petefrt on January 2, 2013 at 9:17 AM

Not bad. Almost 1200 comments.

tommy71 on January 2, 2013 at 9:25 AM

The resident trolls should be ecstatic. This means that Obama will have control of the entire legislative branch and the executive branch after the mid-terms. Fabulous. /s No more divided government.

totherightofthem on January 2, 2013 at 9:34 AM

The DC cabal has stopped kicking the can down the road. They now relocate the cliff instead. We will continue to move from crisis to crisis as long as libs are in charge. The cheering crowds appearing as a backdrop for dear leader will grow as will their expectations of catching a crumb from his table. It’s like children chasing free candy being tossed from a parade float.

Kissmygrits on January 2, 2013 at 9:48 AM

Oh, and apparently we’re all gonna have to worship the Antichrist, which also kinda sucks.

sauropod on January 2, 2013 at 2:09 AM

.
51% of the country already does.

Illinidiva on January 2, 2013 at 7:32 AM

.
It’s not the Antichrist they’re worshipping . . . . . . . . it’s “The Beast”.

“The Beast” is all the combined computer technology and infrastructure that will make it possible for the One World Government to monitor every minute detail of EVERY human being on the face of the earth.
Right now, the technology that will become “The Beast” is being used every day by ALL of us, and we love it ! As I’m typing these words, I’m listening to Glenn explain just how addicted we are (by choice) to all this wonderful technology, that is currently serving us as independent individuals.
As long as we believe it is improving our lives, we’ll go hog-wild for it, and in the process are teaching it everything about us, as individuals.

When it gets turned against mankind . . . . . . . . you finish it.

If you don’t already know anything about Ray Kurzweil, go to youtube and search his name. Ray and those working under him are the architects of this next generation of technology.

listens2glenn on January 2, 2013 at 10:11 AM

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davidk on January 2, 2013 at 10:43 AM

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