Fiscal cliff: Does Boehner have the votes? Update: Boehner vs. Cantor? Update: Boehner to vote yes? Report: House has majority for Senate bill; Update: Bill passes, 257-167

posted at 1:23 pm on January 1, 2013 by Allahpundit

I can’t believe this is what we’re doing on our holiday.

Well said, but don’t forget the punchline: Because the Bush tax cuts will be extended for most earners with next to nothing in offsetting spending cuts, the “deficit reduction deal” technically increases the deficit by nearly $4 trillion over the next decade. Bill Kristol, urging the House to vote yes in the interest of avoiding sequester defense cuts, aptly describes it as a “mess”:

The fiscal cliff deal that the Senate passed early this morning is ridiculous in too many ways to count. There seem to be no figures from the Congressional Budget Office and only “very preliminary” figures from the Joint Tax Committee about the real spending and revenue implications. The two month delay of the sequester will make actual governance even more difficult (how is the Pentagon supposed to plan for the rest of the year?). The sequester delay is funded by a gimmick with retirement savings tax rules that is a caricature of what has become of Washington legislation and policy making. Working Americans making less than $400,000 will be shocked when they find that, contrary to promises from both parties, their taxes are in fact going up (the payroll tax). And we will face another cliff when we hit the debt ceiling and the sequester again in two months.

The deal is a sad commentary on our politics today.

Actually, we face two more cliffs, first the sequester/debt ceiling standoff and then another over the next budget continuing resolution. If you’re serious about fiscal sustainability, the stakes couldn’t be lower. To the extent today’s House vote is interesting, it’s interesting as a type of bread-and-circus: Whether they pass the Senate bill today or pass a marginally less dismal deal in a week or two, the only thing that’s interesting about any of this is the facile political suspense of whether Boehner can muster enough Republican votes, whether Biden can keep Pelosi and House Democrats in line, and what it all means for the next zero-stakes confrontation between Obama and the GOP a few months from now. Ultimately, I think The One is the only player here who had appropriate contempt for the process. He knew nothing important would be achieved so he focused on tax hikes to try to diminish the opposition by driving a wedge in their caucus. In the end, he gave a little on the income threshold in exchange for fracturing House Republicans. Not a bad trade short-term.

Anyway. Does Boehner have the votes? Quite possibly, says the Hill:

To assess party loyalty, The Hill analyzed five controversial bills on fiscal matters that sparked outcry from factions on the right and significant defections from House GOP members: a March 15, 2011 stopgap funding bill; an April 14, 2011 bill that averted a government shutdown; an Aug. 1 roll call on the Budget Control Act; a Nov. 17, 2011 “minibus” appropriations measure; and a Feb. 17, 2012 vote to extend the payroll tax holiday. Republican defections ranged from 54 to 101 on these bills.

Despite the GOP infighting, 92 House Republicans didn’t buck leadership on any on of those measures. This group includes leadership lawmakers, committee and subcommittee chairmen and a surprising number of freshman members. Some of Boehner’s loyal legislators include GOP Reps. Cole, Steven LaTourette (Ohio), Pete King (N.Y.), Darrell Issa (Calif.), Gary Miller (Calif.), Tom Marino (Pa.), Jon Runyan (N.J.) and Steve Stivers (Ohio)…

There are an additional 51 House Republicans who broke ranks on only one of the five votes reviewed by The Hill, including GOP Reps. Bob Goodlatte (Va.), Jeb Hensarling (Texas), Tom Latham (Iowa), Steve Scalise (La.) and Frank Wolf (Va.).

That’s 143 gettable votes. Even if he lost 22 of those, he’d still have enough left over to keep his promise not to bring something to the floor that isn’t supported by a majority of House Republicans. The intrigue will come if he’s close to the magic number but not quite there. In that case, he’ll have to choose: Does he bring the bill to the floor anyway, risking a revolt in Thursday’s Speaker election, or does he torpedo the bill even though it likely will have majority support among the entire House? The GOP caucus is meeting as I write this to sound out its members, but reportedly they’re planning to have at least one more meeting today before making a decision on whether to vote. Are you not entertained?

Here’s Tom Cole, a Boehner loyalist, telling MSNBC he’ll definitely vote for the bill. He predicted this morning that a majority of House Republicans will vote yes as well. One other subplot to watch out for: How will Paul Ryan vote? He backed Boehner on Plan B, but with Rubio having voted no last night, the anti-tax ante for 2016 contenders has been upped. Ryan’s dilemma is that he wields much more influence over his caucus colleagues than Rubio does over his, so if he peels off, he could take enough with him to jeopardize the bill. Exit question: Democrats are crowing this morning that, having forced the GOP to accept new tax hikes now, it’ll be easier to make them do so again during the debt-ceiling negotiations. Is that true or will it actually be harder next time after Republicans face a backlash from their base and insist that they already checked the tax box back during the fiscal-cliff compromise?

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Update: Hmmmmmmmmmm.

Update: Sure sounds like we’re not going to have a vote today.

Update: More from Politico:

An overwhelming number of House Republicans in a party meeting Tuesday are calling on their leadership to amend the Senate’s bill to avert the fiscal cliff and send it back to the upper chamber, according to several sources in the meeting…

There is also some regret among Republicans about the party defeating Speaker John Boehner’s “Plan B” before the holidays, which would have raised taxes on millionaires, whereas the bill the Senate passed around 2 a.m. New Year’s Day raises taxes on households making more than $450,000…

Emerging as a stick point among House Republicans is how McConnell and Biden delayed the sequester — automatic spending cuts. The two-month delay is being viewed by House Republicans as inadequate in that it doesn’t reduce spending immediately.

Hope they’re ready for the backlash tomorrow when markets open way down and our fair and balanced press corps gets back to work.

Update: At least we’re getting our money’s worth of political suspense from this ridiculous charade.

If Boehner brings the bill to the floor over Cantor’s opposition, does that guarantee a “Boehner vs. Cantor” election for Speaker on Thursday?

Update: A few commenters are grumbling about my backlash point above. Fact: There will be a backlash tomorrow if this doesn’t pass. It is what it is. And that’s fine — it’s worth driving a hard bargain to get something important done, even at the price of a backlash. Just remind me again what “important” goal will be achieved by forcing a new round of negotiations. What sort of spending cuts do you expect to see here? A trillion dollars over 10 years when we’re running trillion-dollar deficits annually? Even if they got Obama to agree to that, why would you believe that future Congresses would allow those cuts to happen down the line? This entire process is an elaborate charade designed to postpone the ultimate reckoning on entitlement reform, and you’re simply not going to wring serious entitlement reform out of the Democrats given the two parties’ current postures. Obama just won reelection; the Democrats expanded their numbers in the House and Senate; entitlement reform remains depressingly unpopular among the public despite attempts to educate them about the role mandatory spending plays in driving the national debt. House Republicans aren’t going to hold out for weeks on end in the futile hope of revamping Medicare against that backdrop while middle-class voters stew over their new, higher tax brackets. Why risk some of the GOP’s small reserve of political capital on a deal that’s only negligibly less terrible than this one? I understand the “let it burn” strategy, to force the public to fully absorb the cost of big government. I don’t understand this one.

A quote from Philip Klein: “There’s a lot to hate in this deal, no doubt. But any honest assessment of it must grapple with the reality of Obama as president, Harry Reid as Senate Majority Leader and $4.5 trillion in automatic tax hikes hitting in the new year. With this in mind, I’d rate the deal as objectively bad, but relatively good.”

Update: House Republicans weigh the backlash factor.

Update: If this is true, Boehner’s goal of 120+ Republican votes seems impossible:

Update: And now some pressure on Boehner from the left as a Democratic aide warns that the Senate bill is a take-it-or-leave-it proposition:

“The House Republicans have two choices: cut their losses and pass the deal now, or else put up a fight they cannot win and pass the same deal a few days now after being further humiliated,” said a Senate Democratic leadership aide.

Another senior Democratic aide said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) will not reconsider the bill, which passed by a vote of 89 to 8.

“We’re done,” said the aide.

Update: The word on Twitter is that the GOP caucus will huddle at 5:15 ET. Possible outcomes: Boehner has the votes for the Senate plan and brings it to the floor to try to pass it; Boehner *doesn’t* have the votes but brings it to the floor so that House Republicans can add amendments related to spending cuts; Boehner refuses to bring it to the floor. The first outcome seems unlikely and the third would suffer from terrible optics, so expect JB to choose what’s behind door number two.

Update: Good question.

Update: Sounds like Boehner’s going to give the Senate bill a shot — maybe.

In other words, for the Senate bill to come to the floor, something like 15 Republicans have to oppose amending the bill to include spending cuts. Are there 15 in the entire caucus willing to go on record and do that, even if they’re doing it in the interest of trying to pass the Senate bill now and avert fiscal-cliff aftershocks tomorrow?

Update: The strategy here, I assume, is to use the prospective failure of the amended bill to prove to Republicans that nothing except the Senate bill can pass the House. If they can’t get 218 among their own caucus to support extending the negotiations by demanding cuts, then maybe some GOPers who dislike the Senate bill will hold their noses and vote for it.

Update: Yep, sure sounds like that’s what Boehner has in mind. He’s trying to get the Senate bill through:

Update: A Senate Democratic leadership aide reiterates that a vote to amend the bill in the House is effectively a vote to kill the Senate bill. There’ll be no more fiscal cliff action until the new Congress is seated on Thursday. Quote: “The aide added that House Republicans should not have stepped away from White House negotiations if they needed spending reductions to get the deal.”

Update: DrewM wonders if the spending-cuts amendment might fail simply because some critical mass of conservatives refuses to vote for any bill that doesn’t extend the Bush tax cuts for everyone. In other words, they’ll vote no even on an amended bill because it lets taxes go up on earners who make $450K. The amount of spending cuts attached will be irrelevant. If that’s what they end up doing, it’ll be an awfully dangerous gamble. Once the amended bill fails, you’ll see 100+ Democratic votes flood in for the unamended Senate bill; conceivably you could see nearly the entire Dem caucus vote yes, which means it would take only 40-50 Republicans to vote with them to pass the Biden/McConnell bill with zero cuts. (One of the earlier updates above suggested that that might be feasible.) What that would mean for Boehner’s Speakership, given that he’ll have violated the “majority of the majority” rule to pass it, I don’t know.

Another possibility: What if the amended bill fails and then the up-or-down vote on the Senate bill fails too? After the failure of Plan B and then the failure of two compromise bills, the narrative tomorrow will be that virtually nothing can pass the House.

Update: Sounds like an up-or-down vote might be coming:

Update: Wow. First time I’ve heard this all day:

Update: Just to underscore my point earlier about what a farce this all is, here’s what the House is mulling as their big counteroffer to the Senate on spending:

If there are enough GOP votes to pass the first approach, the House would amend the fiscal cliff bill and send it back to the Senate, the aide said. A second senior GOP leadership aide said that leaders were mulling adding $300 billion in spending cuts to the bill. Details of those cuts weren’t yet available.

That’s $300 billion over 10 years, I take it, or $30 billion annually. Now, go look at this graphic at Zero Hedge and see for yourself how much $30 billion is relative to the annual deficits we’re running these days. This “spending cuts” proposal is a face-saving gesture by the GOP, nothing more. And it still might not pass their own caucus.

Update: Robert Costa says the spending-cuts amendment is in deep trouble:

Can Pelosi deliver 150-170 Democrats? That’s a tall order even for her.

Update: According to GOP Rep. Tim Murphy, the House will vote on the Senate bill sometime tonight. Apparently they couldn’t find 218 Republicans willing to vote for the bill even with a few hundred billion in spending cuts tacked on as an amendment.

Update: I’m honestly shocked:

Remember, the Speaker typically doesn’t vote on bills. He’ll get enough flak from conservative groups if this thing passes with less than a Republican majority that you’d think he wouldn’t want to double down by lending his own vote to the compromise, especially with Cantor publicly opposed to the bill. Either he’s supremely confident that there aren’t 17 Republicans in the caucus willing to block his election as Speaker on Thursday or he’s reached the point where he doesn’t care if they do.

Update: Robert Costa says Boehner’s confident he has 218 from the full House for the Senate bill:

Chuck Todd hears that the vote may come at around 9:30 ET.

Update: Hmmmm:

Update: A footnote from Robert Costa: Allegedly, Boehner will vote only if his vote is needed to get to 218.

Update: The word on Twitter is that the final vote will come at around 11:15 p.m. ET. If you’re sticking around for the end of this charade, you’re a more diligent political junkie than me.

Update: At 11 p.m. ET, it’s a done deal. 257-167, with Democrats providing most of the votes. The Dems split 172-16, Republicans split 85-151. Boehner didn’t come close to satisfying the “majority of the majority” rule, which leaves him on thin ice for Thursday’s Speaker vote. At least he didn’t hide, though: He voted yes tonight, as did Paul Ryan, much to Team Rubio’s delight. Meanwhile, the rest of the leadership team — i.e. Eric Cantor and Kevin McCarthy — voted no, although Cantor waited until the bill had 218 votes to register his meaningless disapproval.

Hard to believe we might have the same leadership in the next Congress as we did for this process, but then not long ago it was also hard to believe we’d have the same leadership in the White House and the Senate in 2013 as we had in 2012. And yet here we are.


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Electrongod on January 1, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Electrongod on January 1, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Slurpee?

Tim_CA on January 1, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Math’s must be hard.

For every dollar in “cuts” to the baseline, government gets to take in $41 dollars in new taxes?

Should have been for every $41 in real and actual cuts (below the baseline) government should be permitted to take in $1 in taxes.

But…hell, we compromised, didn’t we?

Our principles, our honor, our heritage…all compromised in the name of not being seen as the bad guy.

Evil triumphs when good men do nothing.

Nothing brave about this Brave New World.

coldwarrior on January 1, 2013 at 1:28 PM

It’d be great to see the house torpedo this and watch boehner fall flat on his face. Wont happen though. Remember tarp? They’ll be against it before they are for it.

Timin203 on January 1, 2013 at 1:28 PM

They’ll cave. You can’t make a silk purse out of yellow cheese.

Limerick on January 1, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Slurpee?

Tim_CA on January 1, 2013 at 1:27 PM

some kind of uncontrolled spin…
Downwards..

Electrongod on January 1, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Fiscal cliff: Does Boehner have the votes?

Doesn’t matter Boehner and McConnell have already decided to betray America for their own personal gain.

The GOP Leadership’s betrayal of America.

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Dems spiking football now will not help them later

But with this gop elite crew, the dems will probably get their way

Just can’t win for nothing with this house

cmsinaz on January 1, 2013 at 1:30 PM

out – Borked
in – Boehned

Capitalist Hog on January 1, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Perhaps there is a form I can fill out that will just direct-deposit 100% of my paychecks into the Treasury. Hello? Hello, Internal Revenue Service?

Jeddite on January 1, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Only 1,481 days left until a new administration! Yeah!

Limerick on January 1, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Vote no, you dckless gits!

Valkyriepundit on January 1, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Progress, bread and circuses. Yeah.

onomo on January 1, 2013 at 1:32 PM

some kind of uncontrolled spin…
Downwards..

Electrongod on January 1, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Can’t be, even top down left handed quarks have a positive charge to them, this is a Milkshake made out of human feces.

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Hee… It is a fun little sideshow. The little Ryan Rubio soap opera is quite fun and will be something to watch over the next two years. It strikes me as purely business and without personal malice yet.

Illinidiva on January 1, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Does Boehner have the votes?

Call your rep, and demand they don’t vote for this nonsense.

Rebar on January 1, 2013 at 1:34 PM

…vote PRESENT !…you spineless…ba11less…babybasturds!

KOOLAID2 on January 1, 2013 at 1:34 PM

I vote harder. This is a vote to prevent something automatically happpening that was bad. It was a second best solution. Something many readers of Conservative sites can’t seem to understand. This vote was to make the rates permanent so the GOP House is now in the position to block any new taxes.

I see that many Republicans are acting like the Democrats did in the Reagan years. Purists who just want to follow General Pickett up that hill. Some people need to grow up and accept the fact that others are in control. The only gripe I have is the I think the leadership should have allowed Pelosi and Reid to pass the taxes what Obama wanted without Republican votes and let the spending cuts go into effect. But that’s just me.

jerryofva on January 1, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Be gracious! At 50k year you only have to set aside a tiny amount to pay your new taxes. Like 10k or something. Nothing worthwhile to spend 10k on your family or future for anyway.

Limerick on January 1, 2013 at 1:35 PM

And this takes taxes off the table. Sorry.

Illinidiva on January 1, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Does Boehner have the votes?

Call your rep, and demand they don’t vote for this nonsense.

Rebar on January 1, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Did that yesterday, don’t think my Congressman will ever allow his staff to take another call or e-mail from me again… o_O

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 1:35 PM

It’d be great to see the house torpedo this and watch boehner fall flat on his face. Wont happen though. Remember tarp? They’ll be against it before they are for it.

Timin203 on January 1, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Other than performing a last great act of defiance, I’m not quite sure I see the utility of your proposed outcome. Certainly the affect would be to raise taxes on all the middle class working Americans, humiliate Boehner and further weaken, or completely neuter the house GOP. There’s still a tough fight to be waged in the debt ceiling arena and you can’t do it when all your troops are dead or wounded.

rplat on January 1, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Neugebauer’s been asking constituents to chime in on his DC office number and on his FB page. On his FB page-where I commented- so far only ONE person has said ‘vote yes’. One.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 1, 2013 at 1:39 PM

you can’t do it when all your troops tremblers are dead or wounded.

rplat on January 1, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Limerick on January 1, 2013 at 1:39 PM

I love how Bill Kristol runs around telling the GOP they must raises taxes on the rich, and when they do, he complains.

Jack_Burton on January 1, 2013 at 1:40 PM

The GOP has been working damn hard on entitlement reform for only the last 77 years, give them just a wee bit more time!

Limerick on January 1, 2013 at 1:45 PM

Breitbart reports that Bonehead doesnt have the votes:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/31/GROUP-Boehner-doesn-t-have-support-of-at-least-50-percent-of-House-GOP-members-on-McConnell-Biden-fiscal-cliff-deal

FTA:

In an email to reporters late Monday, AMA spokesman Ron Meyer said he’s “heard directly from senior GOP conservative members in the House that Speaker Boehner does not have a majority of support from the GOP caucus–not even close.”

“These sources tell me Boehner has indicated he won’t bring up a plan without 50% GOP support,” Meyer said. “The McConnell-Biden compromise does not meet that threshold.”

dogsoldier on January 1, 2013 at 1:45 PM

cole and coburn. 2 pieces of crap from oklahoma. and its suppose to be a red state?

*facepalm*

renalin on January 1, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Breitbart reports that Bonehead doesnt have the votes:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/31/GROUP-Boehner-doesn-t-have-support-of-at-least-50-percent-of-House-GOP-members-on-McConnell-Biden-fiscal-cliff-deal

FTA:

In an email to reporters late Monday, AMA spokesman Ron Meyer said he’s “heard directly from senior GOP conservative members in the House that Speaker Boehner does not have a majority of support from the GOP caucus–not even close.”

“These sources tell me Boehner has indicated he won’t bring up a plan without 50% GOP support,” Meyer said. “The McConnell-Biden compromise does not meet that threshold.”

dogsoldier on January 1, 2013 at 1:45 PM

With all due respect to the guys at Breitbart, I’ll believe that when I see it, and even then I probably wont believe it.

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Little know factoid… the $800 BILLION so-called “stimulus” is now part of the baseline, meaning Obama gets his extra play money every year now.

And yet the GOP is completely silent on this fact. The starting point for debt negotiations should be a return to pre-stimulus spending levels. Instead the Democrats are asking or even more money. I wonder if the $60 billion for Sandy will be added to the baseline.

Washington politicians are literally destroying our country. Democrats through their non-stop, aggressive drive to transform us into a socialist country and the GOP through their timidity, cowardice, fecklessness, and refusal to fight back.

Charlemagne on January 1, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Other than performing a last great act of defiance, I’m not quite sure I see the utility of your proposed outcome. Certainly the affect would be to raise taxes on all the middle class working Americans, humiliate Boehner and further weaken, or completely neuter the house GOP. There’s still a tough fight to be waged in the debt ceiling arena and you can’t do it when all your troops are dead or wounded.

rplat on January 1, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Because I voted for people that I thought had different beliefs then the democrats, but whenever they leave home and go to washington, dc, they always end up voting like democrats.

Democrats never “compromise” with republicans against their core beliefs. Compromise is always our representatives saying, “sorry guys, we’re going to have vote with these guys.” and act like they feel bad about HAVING to do it…. but then they do it again and again

Timin203 on January 1, 2013 at 1:48 PM

I find it so sad that those WE elected and funded will do zero for our nation but help their ego to vote for this? Are these so terrified of bho/bhopress/d’s of standing up for anything they cave like jellyfish? What is even more gut wenching, at the sotu the whole blooming bunch of jellyfish will clap jump up and down at every word bho says?

My heart and head aches that such a tiny bunch of people can dictate how the rest of us how we must live and act our lives!
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letget on January 1, 2013 at 1:49 PM

rplat on January 1, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Because I voted for people that I thought had different beliefs then the democrats, but whenever they leave home and go to washington, dc, they always end up voting like democrats.

Democrats never “compromise” with republicans against their core beliefs. Compromise is always our representatives saying, “sorry guys, we’re going to have vote with these guys.” and act like they feel bad about HAVING to do it…. but then they do it again and again

Timin203 on January 1, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Apparently you really can’t just walk into Mordor on the Potomac.

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Math’s must be hard.
For every dollar in “cuts” to the baseline, government gets to take in $41 dollars in new taxes?
Should have been for every $41 in real and actual cuts (below the baseline) government should be permitted to take in $1 in taxes.
But…hell, we compromised, didn’t we?
Our principles, our honor, our heritage…all compromised in the name of not being seen as the bad guy.
Evil triumphs when good men do nothing.
Nothing brave about this Brave New World.
coldwarrior on January 1, 2013 at 1:28 PM

We didn’t “compromise”, it’s called “defeat”.

Genuine on January 1, 2013 at 1:52 PM

I wonder if the $60 billion for Sandy will be added to the baseline.

Washington politicians are literally destroying our country. Democrats through their non-stop, aggressive drive to transform us into a socialist country and the GOP through their timidity, cowardice, fecklessness, and refusal to fight back.

Charlemagne on January 1, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Well, I’m sure we’ll find out the answer to that one as soon as the next budget rolls around.

Timin203 on January 1, 2013 at 1:53 PM

So I want to make this clear. Is it the consensus of the group that they want to give Obama the victory on taxes and spending with the added bonus that he gets to call the Bush tax rates the Obama Middle Class Tax cut thereby painting the GOP as tax raisers and Democrats as tax cutters?

You guys are a bunch of spoiled children who will do more to hand this country over to the socialists than they did themselves to win it. So after this is over be sure to sit out the 2014 elections so Obama can have both Houses of Congress to pass whatever he wants.

jerryofva on January 1, 2013 at 1:54 PM

Sure fire way for Boehner to get the necessary votes:

Agree to give up the Speaker seat before the debt ceiling negotiations

phreshone on January 1, 2013 at 1:56 PM

So after this is over be sure to sit out the 2014 elections so Obama can have both Houses of Congress to pass whatever he wants.

jerryofva on January 1, 2013 at 1:54 PM

It looks like he doesn’t need both Houses anyway. He has a guest room in each.

Limerick on January 1, 2013 at 1:56 PM

F*ck Boehner. F*ck McConnell. F*ck the GOP.

So I want to make this clear. Is it the consensus of the group that they want to give Obama the victory on taxes and spending with the added bonus that he gets to call the Bush tax rates the Obama Middle Class Tax cut thereby painting the GOP as tax raisers and Democrats as tax cutters?

You guys are a bunch of spoiled children who will do more to hand this country over to the socialists than they did themselves to win it. So after this is over be sure to sit out the 2014 elections so Obama can have both Houses of Congress to pass whatever he wants.

jerryofva on January 1, 2013 at 1:54 PM

Um, who, precisely, are you f*cking talking about?

Midas on January 1, 2013 at 1:58 PM

Sure fire way for Boehner to get the necessary votes:

Agree to give up the Speaker seat before the debt ceiling negotiations

phreshone on January 1, 2013 at 1:56 PM

Why do you think anyone else would be better than Boehner? No matter who is speaker / majority leader / president / whatever, this is how republicans act.

Timin203 on January 1, 2013 at 1:59 PM

Perhaps there is a form I can fill out that will just direct-deposit 100% of my paychecks into the Treasury. Hello? Hello, Internal Revenue Service?

Jeddite on January 1, 2013 at 1:31 PM

A few years ago a Labour politician in theU K suggested that all paychecks be sent to the government, which would then give you the “allowance” it thought you deserved. I expect some lefty here to propose it eventually.

Wethal on January 1, 2013 at 1:59 PM

Every one of these pols from every party can pound sand and pound it hard.

I have a pretty good hangover after solving the problems of the world until 0400, and we all decided that withdrawing from this decrepit economy is the only answer. Tax me all you want, my decisions from this moment on are how best to shield me and mine from the government and the human trash who only know how to take.

Bishop on January 1, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Other than performing a last great act of defiance, I’m not quite sure I see the utility of your proposed outcome. Certainly the affect would be to raise taxes on all the middle class working Americans, humiliate Boehner and further weaken, or completely neuter the house GOP. There’s still a tough fight to be waged in the debt ceiling arena and you can’t do it when all your troops are dead or wounded.

rplat on January 1, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Not really.

The GOP is in complete control of the House, and can simply keep bringing up and passing bills that do four things:

1) Restore all the Bush tax rates

2) Permanently remove the AMT

3) Cut $8 trillion in spending

4) Remain deficit-neutral or deficit-positive (meeting the requirements to be passed by reconciliation)

Every single member of the GOP caucus will support this.

Purple-state Obama Party members in the House and Senate, especially those up for election in 2014, can be broken to support this.

Obama and the extremist Pelosi/Reid Party will be the sole stumbling blocks, and why?

1) They would rather punish the rich than have middle-class tax relief

2) They refuse to cut ANY spending in government, no matter how wasteful

3) They are only interested in class warfare

And in the meantime, the people who will primarily be being screwed are the Obama supporters who are paying taxes for the first time in their lives.

From a financial standpoint, the $4 trillion plus that this tax hike brings in would re-establish the US’s credit rating.

And Obama cannot pull chicanery because anything less would a) balloon the deficit and b) damage the US’s credit rating.

Stop playing small ball, GOP. Take advantage of the Obama idiot’s basic problem that his policies and what he wants are injurious to the vast majority of his base.

northdallasthirty on January 1, 2013 at 2:00 PM

There’s still a tough fight to be waged in the debt ceiling arena and you can’t do it when all your troops are dead or wounded.

rplat on January 1, 2013 at 1:37 PM

LOLOOoloolol, omg… *wipes a tear*

For a second there I thought you were suggesting that we might be able to count on the GOP to fight hard in the debt ceiling arena – and actually held out hope that it would happen!

LOLLLolloOLOlloLLol, stop, you’re killing me!

Midas on January 1, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Breaking…. The GOP has a new logo/mascot, a white flag.

Limerick on January 1, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Every one of these pols from every party can pound sand and pound it hard.

I have a pretty good hangover after solving the problems of the world until 0400, and we all decided that withdrawing from this decrepit economy is the only answer. Tax me all you want, my decisions from this moment on are how best to shield me and mine from the government and the human trash who only know how to take.

Bishop on January 1, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Yep.

Midas on January 1, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Exit question: Democrats are crowing this morning that, having forced the GOP to accept new tax hikes now, it’ll be easier to make them do so again during the debt-ceiling negotiations. Is that true or will it actually be harder next time after Republicans face a backlash from their base and insist that they already checked the tax box back during the fiscal-cliff compromise?

The premise is that the Rs have the stones to actually stand on principal and vote for fiscal discipline. Wait. Did I just put “principal” and “Republican” in the same sentence?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!

nukemhill on January 1, 2013 at 2:02 PM

The House had better not pass this stinking capitulation from McConnell. It guarantees the collapse of the economy…. another year for unemployment? Good God Almighty what is wrong with those spineless basta*rds up there in DC? McConnell should resign in impotent disgrace and take the weeper of the house with him………. We are lost.

ultracon on January 1, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Breaking…. The GOP has a new logo/mascot, a white flag.

Limerick on January 1, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Breaking… The French are demanding the Return of their National Flag… GOPe to copulate in 3…2…1…

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 2:03 PM

The Communists have turned the “cliff” into a massive tax increase with no spending cuts! House should go home and let it go over the cliff, which, at least has spending cuts in it! This is beyond despicable! This is Taxation without Representation when the Republicans that we voted for cave on everything Obama proposes! I’m sick of the whole cowardly bunch! Rand Paul and Marco Rubio seem to be the only ones willing to fight!

Marco on January 1, 2013 at 2:03 PM

Fiscal cliff: Does Boehner have the votes?

What possible difference does it make anymore? Seriously.

Tim Zank on January 1, 2013 at 2:04 PM

So I want to make this clear. Is it the consensus of the group that they want to give Obama the victory on taxes and spending with the added bonus that he gets to call the Bush tax rates the Obama Middle Class Tax cut thereby painting the GOP as tax raisers and Democrats as tax cutters?

jerryofva on January 1, 2013 at 1:54 PM

Word-twisting from a desperate concern troll.

What happens is this: the instant we go over the cliff, the House can pass a bill doing four things:

1) Restore all the Bush tax rates

2) Permanently remove the AMT

3) Cut $8 trillion in spending

4) Remain deficit-neutral or deficit-positive (meeting the requirements to be passed by reconciliation)

Every single member of the GOP caucus will support this.

Purple-state Obama Party members in the House and Senate, especially those up for election in 2014, can be broken to support this.

Obama and the extremist Pelosi/Reid Party will be the sole stumbling blocks, and why?

1) They would rather punish the rich than have middle-class tax relief

2) They refuse to cut ANY spending in government, no matter how wasteful

3) They are only interested in class warfare

And in the meantime, the people who will primarily be being screwed are the Obama supporters who are paying taxes for the first time in their lives.

From a financial standpoint, the $4 trillion plus that this tax hike brings in would re-establish the US’s credit rating.

And Obama cannot pull chicanery because anything less would a) balloon the deficit and b) damage the US’s credit rating.

The reason you are whining and screaming and wailing is because you are an Obama concern troll who was expecting the GOP to cave — and if they don’t, your entire strategy goes boom as the GOP now has the power to cut taxes and spending, and you will have to oppose it.

That then leads us to this.

You guys are a bunch of spoiled children who will do more to hand this country over to the socialists than they did themselves to win it. So after this is over be sure to sit out the 2014 elections so Obama can have both Houses of Congress to pass whatever he wants.

jerryofva on January 1, 2013 at 1:54 PM

Sorry, concern troll. We know that all you want is for Obama to be in power.

Now, prove your conservative bonafides by listing ten things that Obama has done wrong. Or more likely, piss yourself and run away because your game is up.

northdallasthirty on January 1, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Apparently you really can’t just walk into Mordor on the Potomac.

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Brilliantly written, IMO. Mordor on the Potomac indeed.

dogsoldier on January 1, 2013 at 2:05 PM

The deal is a sad commentary on our politics today.

Really?

The Democrats won 100%. This is their greatest achievement in history. It is a wonderful day for Democrats the Republicans passed their bill. We are officially single Party in America how could the Democrats have had a bigger win.

Steveangell on January 1, 2013 at 2:06 PM

out – Borked
in – Boehned

Capitalist Hog on January 1, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Heh!

Tim_CA on January 1, 2013 at 2:07 PM

The premise is that the Rs have the stones to actually stand on principal and vote for fiscal discipline. Wait. Did I just put “principal” and “Republican” in the same sentence?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!

nukemhill on January 1, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Agreed. If laughing, let alone moving my head from side to side, didn’t worsen my scotch headache I would join in on the gallows humor.

The GOP doesn’t have the interest of any supposed “base” as their main concern, at this point they simply want to keep their seats, their pay, and their perks in an economy which is swirling down the toilet. They know how bad it is, but they can shield themselves from the worst of it.

Bishop on January 1, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Because the Bush tax cuts will be extended

Au contaire. The Bush tax cut expired. They generously voted us peons a tax cut.

Get with the program/meme/BS.

davidk on January 1, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Limerick:

So exactly what could the Republicans do to defeat the evil Obama. Going over the cliff may provide satisfaction but sure as hell gives Obama everything he wants and gets to blame the consequences on his political opponents. That’s really showing him isn’t it. That is what two years old do. Are you a two year old?

jerryofva on January 1, 2013 at 2:10 PM

They’ll cave. You can’t make a silk purse out of yellow cheese.

Limerick on January 1, 2013 at 1:29 PM

But you can buy votes with yellow cheese. And phones.

davidk on January 1, 2013 at 2:10 PM

But you can buy votes with yellow cheese. And phones.

davidk on January 1, 2013 at 2:10 PM

lol.

Tim_CA on January 1, 2013 at 2:11 PM

But you can buy votes with yellow cheese. And phones.

davidk on January 1, 2013 at 2:10 PM

lol.

Tim_CA on January 1, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Obama would be buying votes with Crack and Heroin, but even he can’t get it cheap enough to make it worthwhile.

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Now, prove your conservative bonafides by listing ten things that Obama has done wrong. Or more likely, piss yourself and run away because your game is up.

northdallasthirty on January 1, 2013 at 2:04 PM

President Barack Obama:

Were there a “Hall of Fame” for broken promises, here is one that would get in on the first ballot: “Let me say it as simply as I can: Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency” (President Barack Obama, January 21, 2009). Instead of transparency and the rule of law over the past four years, we have witnessed the greatest expansion of government in modern political history and, consequently, an explosion of government secrecy, scandals, and abuses of power. Among the low-lights:

Illegal recess appointments: Perhaps former Attorney General Ed Meese and Todd Graziano summed it up best in their January 5, 2012, Washington Post guest commentary: “President Obama’s attempt to unilaterally appoint three people to seats on the National Labor Relations Board and Richard Cordray to head the new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (after the Senate blocked action on his nomination) is more than an unconstitutional attempt to circumvent the Senate’s advice-and-consent role. It is a breathtaking violation of the separation of powers and the duty of comity that the executive owes to Congress.”

Illegal immigration: In mid-June, Obama announced that by executive decree – and in apparent violation of his oath of office – his administration would stop deporting and begin granting work permits to younger illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children. According to The AP, “the policy change … bypasses Congress and partially achieves the goals of the so-called DREAM Act, a long-sought but never enacted plan …” Lest anyone doubt that Obama knew he was overriding the law of the land, in March, 2011, he said, “There are enough laws on the books by Congress that are very clear in terms of how we have to enforce our immigration system that for me to simply, through executive order, ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as President.”

Unprecedented secrecy: Judicial Watch has had to file almost 1,000 Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests and nearly 100 lawsuits against the Obama administration on issues ranging from Obamacare to the continued funding of the criminal ACORN network; from tracking Wall Street bailout money to the unconstitutional use of czars; to White House visitor logs; to the attacks on the integrity of our nation’s elections. This president touts transparency but condones law-breaking of open records laws by his administration.

Unconstitutional czars: As far back as 2009, Reuters reported, “Name a top issue and President Barack Obama has probably got a ‘czar responsible for tackling it.” By the time the Judicial Watch Special Report President Obama’s Czars was published in October 2011, the number of Obama czars had skyrocketed to 45. Largely unconfirmed by and unaccountable to the Senate, many of Obama’s czars are often outside the reach of FOIA. Some of these czars exercise unprecedented and unconstitutional control over major aspects of government policy and programs. And a number of the czars have been linked to scandals, thefts and kickbacks, flagrant and offensive statements, conflicts of interest, and radical leftist political ideologies and policies.

Use of Executive Privilege to protect Eric Holder: On June 20, 2012, Barack Obama acquiesced to a plea from Attorney General Eric Holder and asserted “executive privilege” to protect the Attorney General from being prosecuted for failing to provide Congress with Fast and Furious documents. On March 22, 2011, when asked by a Univision TV if he had been informed of the Holder gunrunning program, Obama bluntly stated, “Absolutely not. This is a pretty big government, the United States government. I’ve got a lot of moving parts.” So, as Judge Andrew Napolitano said on Fox News, “They can’t have it both ways. If the President was not personally involved, executive privilege does not apply.” To this day, President Obama refuses to detail the specific documents he is withholding from Congress.

The list could go on ad infinitum – with Benghazigate, bailouts, abusing the perks of office for luxury vacations for his family, and, of course, his personal involvement in the Solyndra scandal. But the bottom line is this: The federal government under Barack Obama is off the rails and out of control. And now, with Obama having been given the “flexibility” of a second term, it can only be expected to get worse.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-announces-list-of-washingtons-ten-most-wanted-corrupt-politicians-for-2012/#obama

davidk on January 1, 2013 at 2:14 PM

So exactly what could the Republicans do to defeat the evil Obama. Going over the cliff may provide satisfaction but sure as hell gives Obama everything he wants and gets to blame the consequences on his political opponents. That’s really showing him isn’t it. That is what two years old do. Are you a two year old?

jerryofva on January 1, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Quit. Go home, tell the peeps they haven’t a clue and admit they film flammed us all for the perks. The Donks are going to get all they want anyway, so why keep the front line manned with a bunch of Gumbys? Time to head home and let the peeps learn just what one party rule actually means. Tough love? You betcha!

Limerick on January 1, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Bah, I’ve had enough of this. When I hear the shooting begin, I’ll head to the sound – until then, there doesn’t seem to be much point in further discussion at this point.

Midas on January 1, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Are you not entertained?

Not really, this whole thing makes me sick.

JPeterman on January 1, 2013 at 2:16 PM

Obama would be buying votes with Crack and Heroin, but even he can’t get it cheap enough to make it worthwhile.

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 2:14 PM

And he won’t part with any of his personal stash.

davidk on January 1, 2013 at 2:16 PM

Bah, I’ve had enough of this. When I hear the shooting begin, I’ll head to the sound – until then, there doesn’t seem to be much point in further discussion at this point.

Midas on January 1, 2013 at 2:15 PM

The Federal agent, Marxist stooge and Obamaphile “Genuine” want’s you to know you are a coward if you don’t go out and shoot someone today.

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 2:17 PM

A lot of Sturm und Drang over what is really a pretty good compromise. Did you expect the GOP to get everything it wanted? They control only one chamber of Congress. Their leverage is limited. Still, the bill they got will raise taxes only on individuals making more than $400K (not $200K as originally proposed), and it includes a permanent fix to the AMT (indexed to inflation) and the estate tax ($5 mil threshold, 40% tax above that level).

The deal doesn’t address spending, but they will have to fight that battle during the debt ceiling negotiations.

sauropod on January 1, 2013 at 2:17 PM

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 2:14 PM

And he won’t part with any of his personal stash.

davidk on January 1, 2013 at 2:16 PM

Yup, but he’ll damned sure raise my taxes and spend that in a damned hurry.

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Breaking… The French are demanding the Return of their National Flag… GOPe to copulate in 3…2…1…

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 2:03 PM

I see what you did.

davidk on January 1, 2013 at 2:18 PM

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 2:03 PM

I see what you did.

davidk on January 1, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Heh heh, was wondering if anyone would notice that… ;p

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 2:18 PM

sauropod on January 1, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Are you saying that you actually read the bill? You are wayyyyyy ahead of the 535 on the Hill.

Limerick on January 1, 2013 at 2:19 PM

I do not think there is a better deal out there. We get alot in lower taxes with this. When it comes to the spending authorization bills, the House will have a lot more leverage and more public support as the subject turns to spending cuts.

KW64 on January 1, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Bill Crystal is a mealy mouth puke. He smirks while talking out of both sides of his mouth. Fox should dump him

Art on January 1, 2013 at 2:19 PM

May all who destroy the land go straight to Hades.

Schadenfreude on January 1, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Because the Bush tax cuts will be extended for most earners with next to nothing in offsetting spending cuts, the “deficit reduction deal” technically increases the deficit by nearly $4 trillion over the next decade.

Insanity. A $650B tax increase and the deficit goes UP $4 TRILLION.

Pure Insanity.

WisRich on January 1, 2013 at 2:20 PM

but they will have to fight that battle during the debt ceiling negotiations.

sauropod on January 1, 2013 at 2:17 PM

the House will have a lot more leverage and more public support as the subject turns to spending cuts.

KW64 on January 1, 2013 at 2:19 PM

wow, the crack smokers are coming out of the woodwork like cockroaches in a Chicago ghetto a apartment today.

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Bah, I’ve had enough of this. When I hear the shooting begin, I’ll head to the sound – until then, there doesn’t seem to be much point in further discussion at this point.

Midas on January 1, 2013 at 2:15 PM

I’m just about there, but I’ve got some more venting to do.

But if I hear gunfire … .

davidk on January 1, 2013 at 2:21 PM

“Are you saying that you actually read the bill? You are wayyyyyy ahead of the 535 on the Hill.”

I haven’t read the bill, but the provisions I described have been reported in the press. I don’t know what, if anything, they’re doing about capital gains and dividend taxes. Is there any info on this?

sauropod on January 1, 2013 at 2:22 PM

But if I hear gunfire … .

davidk on January 1, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Damn people with snorkels… ;p

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Just a reminder: Republicans would not be voting for a tax hike. The rates went up today. If they vote yes on this, they are voting for a tax decrease. But it is still a stupid yes vote.

Oleta on January 1, 2013 at 2:22 PM

sauropod on January 1, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Now THAT is comforting to know the press gave it four gold stars.

Limerick on January 1, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Bah, I’ve had enough of this. When I hear the shooting begin, I’ll head to the sound – until then, there doesn’t seem to be much point in further discussion at this point.

Midas on January 1, 2013 at 2:15 PM

I’m right behind you. Time to turn off the internet and Fox News.

JPeterman on January 1, 2013 at 2:24 PM

I have a pretty good hangover after solving the problems of the world until 0400, and we all decided that withdrawing from this decrepit economy is the only answer. Tax me all you want, my decisions from this moment on are how best to shield me and mine from the government and the human trash who only know how to take.

Bishop on January 1, 2013 at 2:00 PM

I don’t drink, but I think I could do damage to a bottle of some good sippin’ whiskey today.

davidk on January 1, 2013 at 2:24 PM

I guess we should all know that Bush wasn’t all about the rich at this point. He held up the economy for years.

tomas on January 1, 2013 at 2:24 PM

I’m not sure I understand why the democrats are happy with this. If they call this a “win” they should all be thrown off a cliff.

scalleywag on January 1, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Update: Hmmmmmmmmmm.

Sources tell Fox News Boehner & Cantor are against Senate #fiscalcliff plan

— toddstarnes (@toddstarnes) January 1, 2013

Sources tell Fox News there may be only 30 Republicans willing to vote for Senate #fiscalcliff deal

— toddstarnes (@toddstarnes) January 1, 2013

Yea, right… I’m calling Bullshit on this.

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Still, the bill they got will raise taxes only on individuals making more than $400K (not $200K as originally proposed)

sauropod on January 1, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Oh is that all? Well hell, as long as they aren’t targeting ME then everything is cool, except that they are targeting me with this number.

Well ok, the aholes will come back in a few months when they realize the $400k level didn’t work and start hitting a lower level, say $300k…then $250k…then $175K…then $100k. But still, COMPROMISE.

Then we can all join in the fun and it will be GRAND! Come on dude, I want you to have a seat at the table here with me, open your wallet and start paying your fair share while your political reps shove yet another compromise straight up your bunghole.

Bishop on January 1, 2013 at 2:25 PM

But if I hear gunfire … .

davidk on January 1, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Damn people with snorkels… ;p

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 2:22 PM

I tried using my snorkel as a bean shooter and shot out my eye.

davidk on January 1, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Prepare for the fiscal cave in!

racquetballer on January 1, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Sources tell Fox News there may be only 30 Republicans willing to vote for Senate #fiscalcliff deal

from the updates above.

scalleywag on January 1, 2013 at 2:27 PM

I have a pretty good hangover after solving the problems of the world until 0400, and we all decided that withdrawing from this decrepit economy is the only answer. Tax me all you want, my decisions from this moment on are how best to shield me and mine from the government and the human trash who only know how to take.

Bishop on January 1, 2013 at 2:00 PM

I don’t drink, but I think I could do damage to a bottle of some good sippin’ whiskey today.

davidk on January 1, 2013 at 2:24 PM

To quote the Book of Proverbs, Give strong wine to those who are of heavy heart. Not to say that I am endorsing you take up drinking, but just sayin…

SWalker on January 1, 2013 at 2:27 PM

Yeah… I think it is the sequester portion. Thank God that they did so. It’s awful and prevents people from transferring money to their IRAs.

Illinidiva on January 1, 2013 at 2:30 PM

People keep talking about permanent fixes. Since one congress cannot bind a future congress nothing is permanent. The only thing that changes is the fight over taxes is temporarily put on the shelf.

A reminder those between 200/250 K have not been spared. Remember OTaxacare has a 3.8% surcharge on AGI above 200/250K and a .9% medicare surcharge above the same amounts. Those above 400/450K get to pay 39.8 + 3.8 + .9 = 43.5%. Then add in paying dividend taxes at 43.5% and LTCG at 20% and their tax rates for the feds will probably exceed 50%.

75% of Americans claim to be Christian. For those 75% what don’t you understand about “Thou Shalt not Covet?”

chemman on January 1, 2013 at 2:31 PM

ON the update, boehner and cantor are against this? Wonder if true and what IS going on? A spine maybe?
L

letget on January 1, 2013 at 2:31 PM

“Now THAT is comforting to know the press gave it four gold stars.”

I’m not talking about the press’s opinion. I’m saying that the media have reported the actual provisions of the bill. If you think these reports are inaccurate, cite a source.

“Oh is that all? Well hell, as long as they aren’t targeting ME then everything is cool”

The tax increase may affect me; it depends on how well I do this year. It would have affected me in 2012. But after Obama won, I knew my taxes were likely to go up. Elections have consequences, and my side lost.

This bill is better than I’d hoped for, in terms of holding down tax increases.

sauropod on January 1, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Boehner and Cantor are such unprincipled,spineless cowards.They will make sure enough of their RINO scum vote to pass the bill,then vote against it to protect their right flank.These to fakes have to go!

redware on January 1, 2013 at 2:32 PM

The deal doesn’t address spending, but they will have to fight that battle during the debt ceiling negotiations.

sauropod on January 1, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Yes, because republicans have a great history of squeezing grand concessions from Obama during “negotiations.” Let’s not forget that this whole ridiculous fiscal cliff was born out of our last “debt ceiling negotiation.” We’ve been having these negotiations regularly since 2010, and we’ve yet to see one real dollar cut from the budget. What happened to the $100 billion in real cuts we were promised in 2010?

Timin203 on January 1, 2013 at 2:33 PM

Oh is that all? Well hell, as long as they aren’t targeting ME then everything is cool, except that they are targeting me with this number.

Well ok, the aholes will come back in a few months when they realize the $400k level didn’t work and start hitting a lower level, say $300k…then $250k…then $175K…then $100k. But still, COMPROMISE.

Then we can all join in the fun and it will be GRAND! Come on dude, I want you to have a seat at the table here with me, open your wallet and start paying your fair share while your political reps shove yet another compromise straight up your bunghole.

Bishop on January 1, 2013 at 2:25 PM

THIS

Hits the nail on the head, exactly…It will NEVER end. POS has been able to ream us a new one for 4+ years (without a fight I want to add) and it will NEVER be enough until we are a complete 3rd world sh!thole….

sicoit on January 1, 2013 at 2:33 PM

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