Tick tock: No deal on the fiscal cliff yet; Update: The last hope is …

posted at 9:31 am on December 31, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

I think this is the moment when Harvey Keitel started running after the blue 1966 Thunderbird convertible at the Grand Canyon, isn’t it?

Senate leaders are racing against the clock to reach a “fiscal cliff” deal the House and Senate can approve on New Year’s Eve.

Leaders in the upper chamber narrowed their differences Sunday as Republicans agreed to drop a demand to curb cost-of-living increases to entitlement benefits, while Democrats showed flexibility on taxes.

Yet after months of talks on ways to avoid the fiscal cliff of tax hikes and spending cuts at the end of 2012, House and Senate lawmakers find themselves approaching the new year without a bill to present to their members.

Significant differences remain over two key parts of a deal — the automatic spending cuts known as the sequester and the estate tax.

Instead of working through the night, the Senate recessed at 7:27 p.m. Sunday with plans to reconvene Monday at 11:00 a.m., and the House recessed around the same time.

Without legislative language, the likelihood of stopping the leap seems pretty low. Even if Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell reach a deal this morning, they’d have to schedule a vote by this afternoon — and hope it gets a floor vote with no debate by unanimous consent. What’s the likelihood that Rand Paul will allow that?  Remote.

Even if the Senate managed such an effort, the House would have to pass the deal in time for Barack Obama to sign it before midnight.  I think the goal now has become to pass a deal before the next Congressional session starts, so that they don’t have to restart the process all over again.  That means that the new deadline will be Wednesday, January 2nd, and a deal this morning with legislative language has a decent shot at making it … assuming a deal is reached at all.

Here’s Chuck Todd claiming that the chances of getting a deal “really depends on the political motivations” of the negotiators.  In other words … status quo ante, right?  This whole crisis generated from political motivations over the last three years. It started with Harry Reid refusing to use the normal budget process in order to shield Democrats from voting for the fiscal consequences of their own spending policies, preferring artificial crises to pressure Republicans into sharing the blame for them; otherwise, we could have resolved all of these disagreements through the usual conference-committee process.  Funny how Chuck never mentions that while insisting that it’s the Republicans who are making purely political moves at that point.

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Update: Has it gotten this desperateHelp us, Joe-bi-Wan Bidenobi …

With the fiscal cliff just hours away, there is new hope that conversations between Sen. Mitch McConnell and Vice President Joe Biden can produce a deal to avert the financial disaster. Aides say the pair spoke multiple times last night and will continue working toward a solution.

McConnell called the vice president after waiting 18 hours for a counter proposal from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who seemed to throw in the towel.

The thought of Reid getting cut out of the solution may make the pain of the compromise a little easier to take.

Update II: Andrew Malcolm has declared Biden the 2012 Joke of the Year.  Maybe the joke will be on Harry Reid …


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Spread the pain.

Bmore on December 31, 2012 at 9:37 AM

Oh, and pass the salt.

Bmore on December 31, 2012 at 9:38 AM

Why don’t they just retroactively tax all the dead Americans in history. Win-win, right? I mean, Bill Clinton did a minor version of that, didn’t he?

/Obama voter

ShainS on December 31, 2012 at 9:40 AM

As I said, the deal will come in mid-January, and it will be the 50/50 deal (50% of workers not paying any income taxes, top rate of 50%), with all non-defense spending cuts wiped out.

Steve Eggleston on December 31, 2012 at 9:40 AM

There will be a deal and it will be passed with about 2 minutes to spare.

gophergirl on December 31, 2012 at 9:40 AM

Instead of working through the night, the Senate recessed at 7:27 p.m. Sunday with plans to reconvene Monday at 11:00 a.m., and the House recessed around the same time.

Work ethic! After months of hearing how important this is, our elected overlords are going to work at a resolution, but only in partial-workday segments that start just in time for lunch.

At any real job, urgent problems get solved by “going in early and staying late,” until it’s done.

massrighty on December 31, 2012 at 9:43 AM

GOP really needs to learn about messaging. Why do they suck so much. All the media is talking about are taxes. There’s more to the fiscal cliff than just taxes yet that’s all the GOP talks about!

mrscullen on December 31, 2012 at 9:45 AM

There will be a deal and it will be passed with about 2 minutes to spare.

gophergirl on December 31, 2012 at 9:40 AM

And it will be completely half assed.

BallisticBob on December 31, 2012 at 9:47 AM

How long can this crisis be milked for “political motivations”? We seem to be in “crisis” an awful lot lately, almost by design.

As I said, the deal will come in mid-January, and it will be the 50/50 deal (50% of workers not paying any income taxes, top rate of 50%), with all non-defense spending cuts wiped out.

Steve Eggleston on December 31, 2012 at 9:40 AM

I understand bracing yourself for the worst possible outcome but I sincerely hope you are wrong.

Fallon on December 31, 2012 at 9:48 AM

Before coming to this thread I read the article in your Headline section by Yuval Levin from the National Review. I lift this quote describing Obama:

But you wouldn’t have to be all that exceptional to accept this reality and make the most of it, rather than spend the days leading up to the conclusion of each of these fiscal showdowns desperately trying to draw attention to yourself and make your role look more central and significant than it is.

And this is the reason why Boehner could never win a public debate with the President on the budget/tax impasse. Obama has no interest in getting a done deal that is owned by him alone. The debate is presently where it should have been much earlier -between the House and the Senate. As much of a mess as this is going down to the last minute there has been more progress in the past 24 hours than there has been between Obama and Boehner in the past 24 days. Of course Reid probably had no interest himself in getting involved earlier but I see no reason why Boehner allowed himself to get into a publiuc debate with Obama in the first place since Obama would only get a bill AFTER both the House and Senate voted on it. Congress may have a very low approval rating but Congress also includes the Senate and it is much easier to pass a bill to them for committee than to go on the air daily and debate a clown who is there just to feed his ego and nothing more.

DaveDief on December 31, 2012 at 9:49 AM

It might be wise for all of these wormy politicians to reflect on the past and wonder how Marie Antoinette must have felt when she first learned of the storming of the Bastille prison. it’s not good to piss off productive, responsible the people.

rplat on December 31, 2012 at 9:51 AM

Taxes will resolve about 3% of the debt and deficit problem, spending is the other 97%. Unfortunately, there are alot of ignorant folks in this country that don’t understand this simple concept. Even if obama gets his tax increase, without severe soending cuts we are still going to have 1 Trillion dollar deficits and the debt will continue to increase, not to mention the harm the tax increases will do to the economy.

Ta111 on December 31, 2012 at 9:52 AM

There will be a deal to kick the can down the road a little further.

They will all congratulate each other.

Barky will call for unlimited power so that America doesn’t have to suffer in this way from selfish politicians who do not care about the fate of the country (everyone but him).

Hey, it’s almost like this is a repeat.

CorporatePiggy on December 31, 2012 at 9:52 AM

And it will be completely half assed.

BallisticBob on December 31, 2012 at 9:47 AM

That too!

gophergirl on December 31, 2012 at 9:53 AM

14 hours to reach minimum safe distance.

Oil Can on December 31, 2012 at 9:55 AM

I have to say, our Republican “leaders” are fools.

They have allowed themselves to be painted as only being for non-tax increases for the rich when they want no tax increases on everyone. Yet, they allow Obama to proclaim himself as a tax cutter when he is keeping in place the same rates that most Democrats voted against, and he would have as well if given the chance 11 years ago.

And then to only “cut” rates for people under 400-500k, they will agree to everything else Obama wants.

McConnell and Boehner are pathetic.

milcus on December 31, 2012 at 9:57 AM

Taxes will resolve about 3% of the debt and deficit problem, spending is the other 97%. Unfortunately, there are alot of ignorant folks in this country that don’t understand this simple concept. Even if obama gets his tax increase, without severe soending cuts we are still going to have 1 Trillion dollar deficits and the debt will continue to increase, not to mention the harm the tax increases will do to the economy.

Ta111 on December 31, 2012 at 9:52 AM

Well said. The ignorant people I can at least understand, but it’s the people who do understand but don’t care as long as they get the subsidies, welfare, food stamps, undeserved disability payments, low cost housing, and all the rest of the gifts provided by this nanny government.

rplat on December 31, 2012 at 10:02 AM

I’m going to sweep the back patio.

docflash on December 31, 2012 at 10:03 AM

Voters want big, expensive government. Let us all now make a small down payment on that wish, and we will have legions of newly minted small-government voters by the next paycheck date.

MTF on December 31, 2012 at 10:09 AM

Well, we’ll be fine, Harry is on duty. He will fix this for all of us.

Bmore on December 31, 2012 at 10:10 AM

There’s still time for the GOP to give Democrats everything they want. Don’t worry.

Spliff Menendez on December 31, 2012 at 10:12 AM

http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-congress/2012/12/boehner-gets-standing-o-153010.html?ml=po_r

It’s about time his efforts were recognized and he got some appreciation for the Herculian task of trying to get something done in DC. I know, lots of folks on this blog think he’s a failure and should be replaced, but instead of just saying to hell with it, “let it burn”, he’s been trying to do what’s best for his party and the country, while Harry Reid and the President stand by muttering about this all being the Republican’s fault. Wouldn’t it be humiliating to Harry the pipsqueak if Biden and McDonnell were the ones who wound up making a deal? Hahaha, that would be a great way to start the new year.

scalleywag on December 31, 2012 at 10:13 AM

milcus on December 31, 2012 at 9:57 AM

Its not so much the fault of the republicans. Its the media. Its hard to fight the media. Add to the fact the many dont even pay attention outside of the 6 o clock news cycle and the only thing they see in is Diggy and Obama whining about the stubborn republicans.

watertown on December 31, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Democrats Were Against The Bush Middle Class Tax Cuts Before They Were For Them

M2RB: Garbage

I’ve listed ALL of their names. Let’s just remember all of the Democrats, who told the American middle class to f*ck off and die already 11 years ago and then claimed that their tax cuts were responsible for the “Great Recession.”

Resist We Much on December 31, 2012 at 10:14 AM

If this things falls through, people have no one to blame but themselves for leaving opportunistic morons like Reid in office when they had the chance to turn things around back in November!

pilamaye on December 31, 2012 at 10:15 AM

Well said. The ignorant people I can at least understand,butit’sthepeople whodounderstand but don’t care as long as they get the subsidies, welfare, food stamps, undeserved disability payments, low cost housing, and all the rest of the gifts provided by this nanny government.

rplat on December 31, 2012 at 10:02 AM

Its not that we are ignorant or don’t care, some of us have been on the “Let It Burn” bandwagon since before it was cool.

Spliff Menendez on December 31, 2012 at 10:16 AM

GOP really needs to learn about messaging. Why do they suck so much. All the media is talking about are taxes. There’s more to the fiscal cliff than just taxes yet that’s all the GOP talks about!

mrscullen on December 31, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Look, I’ll shove a stick in the eye of the GOP for their stupidity on a number of levels – *and*, let’s all remember that when you make a comment like yours, you have to include the reality that ‘GOP messaging’ would be largely meaningless even if they had a clue. The ‘message’ will be what the MSM wants it to be, whether the GOP were incompetent or not.

So yes, let’s heap scorn on the GOP – they deserve it. Let’s also castrate the MSM for their unceasing one-sidedness in this struggle, and never forget that they, too, are the enemy.

Midas on December 31, 2012 at 10:16 AM

scalleywag on December 31, 2012 at 10:13 AM

let me guess. you were also a big time supporter of mitt.

renalin on December 31, 2012 at 10:18 AM

My last official day of spending what I like will be at my local archery store, a new bow with all the trimmings.

Tomorrow this particular well won’t be completely dry but the water level will be way down near the bottom. All these morons can eff off, I’m done paying their bills.

Bishop on December 31, 2012 at 10:21 AM

milcus on December 31, 2012 at 9:57 AM

You are correct. Your republican leaders to give a f#c$ about tax cuts for the middle class. The rich has to get theirs or no deal.

Nice documentary to help you understand why the republicans and some crony dems do what they do

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdqQAT8in9k

HotAirLib on December 31, 2012 at 10:21 AM

GOP really needs to learn about messaging. Why do they suck so much. All the media is talking about are taxes. There’s more to the fiscal cliff than just taxes yet that’s all the GOP talks about!

mrscullen on December 31, 2012 at 9:45 AM

You’re assuming they have the capacity or the desire to learn anything in the first place.

Biggest mistake the GOP made was NOT purchasing half-hour slots on all broadcast networks (even MyTV and the CW) and explain to the people just how bad this situation is, and WHY it is the way it is. But that would have taken some forward thinking.

Instead, like a battered woman getting pummeled by Chris Brown, the GOP let the media and the Socialists write the narrative with no impunity.

Myron Falwell on December 31, 2012 at 10:22 AM

HAL, have you ever been hired by a poor man?

He@@…have you ever been hired?

kingsjester on December 31, 2012 at 10:24 AM

That T-Bird has a 390-cubic-inch V-8 with 300 horsepower.

Pedal to the metal.

Let. It. Burn.

cane_loader on December 31, 2012 at 10:25 AM

Is it too late for SMOD?

Let. It. Burn.

BigGator5 on December 31, 2012 at 10:27 AM

Let’s hope that Slow Joe is as skilled at math as he is at public speaking. Maybe there is hope, yet!

cane_loader on December 31, 2012 at 10:28 AM

Jar Jar Biden?

This is what squishiness gets you, boys and girls.

kingsjester on December 31, 2012 at 10:28 AM

forget messaging, most Americans are too stupid to understand

LET IT BURN

burserker on December 31, 2012 at 10:28 AM

HotAirLib on December 31, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Did you see this yesterday? I wrote it just for you, luv.

BIG, SMOOCHY KISS!!! French-style: An air-kiss (think: air guitar without the imaginary guitar) on both cheeks, full of sound and fury, but signifying “I’m not into you. So, drop dead.”

Resist We Much on December 31, 2012 at 10:29 AM

HAL is starting to get nervous. Either his benefits are going to get cut or his taxes are going up. Funny! Sing pathetic one! Cliff diving has its disadvantages idiot HAL.

Bmore on December 31, 2012 at 10:29 AM

If the current Congress closes on Jan. 2 without passing a budget deal, Harry Reid should be impeached and/or and tried for treason for violating his oath.

cane_loader on December 31, 2012 at 10:29 AM

I figure its his benefits. No accomplishments in life that one. Lol!

Bmore on December 31, 2012 at 10:30 AM

Your republican leaders to give a f#c$ about tax cuts for the middle class.

HotAirLib on December 31, 2012 at 10:21 AM

The irony is strongly deeeeeelish with this one!

Resist We Much on December 31, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Any deal they reach will be a tiny bandaid. I have zero faith in any of them. Why would you let the drunk guy with 5 duis continue to drive the car. We need term limits and we need congress and the president to live by the laws they pass on the rest of us. Im afraid the only way is to hit rock bottom.

ldbgcoleman on December 31, 2012 at 10:31 AM

HotAirLib on December 31, 2012 at 10:21 AM

First, let me wish you a Crappy New Year.

Second, please f*ck off and die.

Third, know that this level of civility ends tomorrow; you’ve asked for it, now you get it – we are at war, you worthless f*ck.

Midas on December 31, 2012 at 10:32 AM

HotAirLib on December 31, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Poor people don’t create jobs, you silly tw*at!
speaking of jobs…since my bread-winner husband is moping and crying about making ANY changes in his spending habits, I’m gonna have to look for a fast-food gig to play second job to my Wal-Mart gig. Alas-not even McDonald’s will be hiring.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 31, 2012 at 10:33 AM

Help us, Joe-bi-Wan Bidenobi …

ROTFLMAO… Ok Ed this one should ensure you an award for blogging snark of the year… ;)

SWalker on December 31, 2012 at 10:33 AM

The last hope is …

…just pass a bit of legislation that delays it, nullifies it or disregards it.

So easy to solve.

It is all scam by all sides of Congress & Obama to raise taxes and then blame it on the other guy, who goes by the name of “Fiscal Cliff”.

albill on December 31, 2012 at 10:35 AM

If all this quibbling and drama over an issue that will affect 3% of the deficit isn’t rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, I don’t know what is.

It’s sick that the GOP hasn’t been able to clearly explain the massive spending problem, and Dem intransigence, to the public.

cane_loader on December 31, 2012 at 10:38 AM

Kinda hard for Congress to cut anything, or raise anything, without a budget.

Let’s see, how many budgets has Congress passed in the past four years?

What’s the hold-up, there, Harry?

The House has sent several over just this year.

Let the damn thing burn…

Once over the cliff, we can assess damage and maybe begin to get real about how not to run governance.

It’ll be messy, for sure, but this garbage has been going on for the entire Obama administration.

And this Obama guy? The smartest guy in the room?

Does anyone truly believe that?

[If you do, you have the brain of an ice cube.]

coldwarrior on December 31, 2012 at 10:40 AM

HAL is starting to get nervous. Either his benefits are going to get cut or his taxes are going up. Funny! Sing pathetic one! Cliff diving has its disadvantages idiot HAL.

Bmore on December 31, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Getting pushed into the cattle car while screeching “But I’m one of YOU!”

The stupid never figure it out, more government will eventually come for them too. Whether it be drones, paramilitary police, or election “observers”, the stupid are always surprised when they are targeted.

Bishop on December 31, 2012 at 10:40 AM

The thought of Reid getting cut out of the solution may make the pain of the compromise a little easier to take.

I’d like nothing better than to start the new year with that smirk wiped on the little pipsqueak’s face, even if it’s just for one day. That little pompous, smart-mouthed obstructionist needs to be knocked down a few pegs and all the better if McConnell, (the serious negotiator) and JOE BIDEN the biggest joker of them all, are the ones to do it. Sweet, sweet, sweet!

scalleywag on December 31, 2012 at 10:43 AM

Getting pushed into the cattle car while screeching “But I’m one of YOU!”

The stupid never figure it out, more government will eventually come for them too. Whether it be drones, paramilitary police, or election “observers”, the stupid are always surprised when they are targeted.

Bishop on December 31, 2012 at 10:40 AM

I made this pic for someone the other day… That’s HAL and lost motherland way up in front on the left. lol

Resist We Much on December 31, 2012 at 10:43 AM

Bishop on December 31, 2012 at 10:40 AM

Funny thing…in the past century all those fascist or socialist dictators, once having seized power, almost always liquidate the liberals first.

There is hope. :-)

coldwarrior on December 31, 2012 at 10:43 AM

So what exactly is harry Reid there for? Maybe we should ask Chuck Todd. These creatures wouldn’t last very long if it wasn’t for a disgracefully corrupt media. Fanatics who lie like psychopaths to cover for and promote an utterly failed politics that in their stupidity they think is brilliant and “progressive”.
The nuts have no shame.

arand on December 31, 2012 at 10:44 AM

How many CEOs would stll gave their jobs after not giving the company a budget for four years?

The executive branch is the constitutional overseer… he has final oversight to make sure the laws are enforced.

It’s his job to force Harry Reid to follow the law and deliver a budget.

It’s like we’re being ruled by the Enron execs.

How…. in such a media-satured society, is this fact not screaming in all the headlines… that under Barry Soetoro America has gone to a Soviet-style five-year plan model?

cane_loader on December 31, 2012 at 10:44 AM

How can anyone not be reminded of 1789 in Paris?

0bama and wife joke and laugh with the stars and give medals to Led Zeppelin, while there is no budget and business and individuals’ investments and financial decisions are in purgatory?

cane_loader on December 31, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Go over.

Daemonocracy on December 31, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Bmore on December 31, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Getting pushed into the cattle car while screeching “But I’m one of YOU!”

The stupid never figure it out, more government will eventually come for them too. Whether it be drones, paramilitary police, or election “observers”, the stupid are always surprised when they are targeted.

Bishop on December 31, 2012 at 10:40 AM

Another funny thing is that the useless idiots never figure out is, that it is they who are ALWAYS the first ones shoved into the cattle cars. they are shoved into the cattle cars first… Because having been the leverage used to bring down the old government the New overlords want to make damned sure that they don’t also bring down the New Government.

SWalker on December 31, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Tell me O’s at the wheel of that car, with botox nanny riding shotgun….oh, and senile Harry in the back seat. Too much to ask? I can still say shotgun, right?

msupertas on December 31, 2012 at 10:48 AM

Bishop on December 31, 2012 at 10:40 AM

Yep. Happens every time. History is funny that way. Oh well, out in the snow and off to do some saw work for me Mother in law. ; )

Bmore on December 31, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Can someone explain how the majority leader in the Senate can just throw in the towel?

crazywater on December 31, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Funny thing…in the past century all those fascist or socialist dictators, once having seized power, almost always liquidate the liberals first.

There is hope. :-)

coldwarrior on December 31, 2012 at 10:43 AM

This time it will be different, fascism will be delivered with a nummy chocolate coating.

You’ll see, it’s going to be Paradise, delivered by the first guy in history who has managed to figure out how to do it right: Bark.

Bishop on December 31, 2012 at 10:50 AM

There will be a deal and it will be passed with about 2 minutes to spare.

gophergirl on December 31, 2012 at 9:40 AM

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And it will be completely half assed.

BallisticBob on December 31, 2012 at 9:47 AM

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Half assed ? ! … I apreciate your optimism there, ‘Bob, but I think you’re giving them waaay too much credit.

I say 10%-assed, tops.

listens2glenn on December 31, 2012 at 10:52 AM

And it will be completely half assed.

BallisticBob on December 31, 2012 at 9:47 AM

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Half assed ? ! … I apreciate your optimism there, ‘Bob, but I think you’re giving them waaay too much credit.

I say 10%-assed, tops.

listens2glenn on December 31, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Oh man, and I had full assed in the pool… ;p

SWalker on December 31, 2012 at 10:54 AM

listens2glenn on December 31, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Unless Moosechell is involved.

Lot of back on that one.

coldwarrior on December 31, 2012 at 10:54 AM

(from the front page) The great leap Forward.

Quantum Leap? Strange how this brought the intro to mind:

Theorizing that one could time travel within his own lifetime, Doctor Sam Beckett stepped into the Quantum Leap accelerator – and vanished. He awoke to find himself trapped in the past, facing mirror images that were not his own, and driven by an unknown force to change history for the better. His only guide on this journey is Al, an observer from his own time, who appears in the form of a hologram that only Sam can see and hear. And so Doctor Beckett finds himself leaping from life to life, striving to put right what once went wrong and hoping each time that his next leap… will be the leap home.

Ok, enough off-topic stuff. Time to get back to the snark.

BigGator5 on December 31, 2012 at 10:55 AM

REid is building a willing scapegoat in McConnell. If there is no deal, the Pubs caused it. If it’s inadequate, Pub ‘obstructionism’ stopped Reid and Obama from doing some ‘real’ good for the country.

The MSM will all but cry on air for Dingy Harry’s ‘hard work’ while demanding the Pubs stop being so intransigent.

Just think! We have at least two more years of this nonsense to look forward to.

Liam on December 31, 2012 at 10:55 AM

jmartpolitico: RT @RyanLizza: 3-month extension means next budget crisis combines sequester, debt ceiling, and potential government shutdown. NRO

Also saw trailer that John Kyl says some progress has been made!

OI

CoffeeLover on December 31, 2012 at 10:55 AM

listens2glenn on December 31, 2012 at 10:52 AM

LOL!

kingsjester on December 31, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Nice documentary to help you understand why the republicans and some crony dems do what they do

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdqQAT8in9k

HotAirLib on December 31, 2012 at 10:21 AM

What a pile of crap. Democrats created these pockets of poverty and dependance and now want to blame the results on everyone else. Own it. Admit that the direction leftists have taken this country is the cause of most of the problems we have now and maybe there is a basis for discussion.

Night Owl on December 31, 2012 at 10:56 AM

listens2glenn on December 31, 2012 at 10:52 AM

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Oh man, and I had full assed in the pool… ;p

SWalker on December 31, 2012 at 10:54 AM

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Oh dear me … If you mean what I’m thinking you mean, my apologies.

listens2glenn on December 31, 2012 at 10:57 AM

HAL, Pres. Low Information Voters of America

BigAlSouth on December 31, 2012 at 10:58 AM

The important thing is to find a “solution” that’ll give The Campaign another opportunity to rake Republicans over the coals again before the next election.

Temporary deal with tax hikes and no real spending cuts. Well maybe some token cuts so the Republicans can be blamed more easily for the economy tanking.

forest on December 31, 2012 at 11:00 AM

Selling some stock today, just in case. Will be in buyback mode on Jan 2., but we will see. There will be a deal, but only if Barky can take credit for something. Harry Reid is worthless.

Philly on December 31, 2012 at 11:00 AM

Night Owl on December 31, 2012 at 10:56 AM

How many trillions have been spent on the war on poverty?

The War on Poverty, another great liberal/progressive idea, has inflicted far more poverty on far far more Americans than most Americans are willing to admit.

That liberal Great Society turned out to be a ramshackle Potemkin village…and a damned expensive one, too.

coldwarrior on December 31, 2012 at 11:01 AM

Somewhere, The Gipper and Tip are sipping some Jameson and laughing their arses off.

cane_loader on December 31, 2012 at 11:01 AM

Let the leftist trash demagogue their way into stealing the 2014 election, it won’t matter. A majority of voters in this nation need a human wave economic assault to make them understand that the mess they desire is unachievable, so let them have it.

One step forward and two steps back will never work, and only pain will cure the stupid.

Bishop on December 31, 2012 at 11:08 AM

GOP really needs to learn about messaging. Why do they suck so much. All the media is talking about are taxes. There’s more to the fiscal cliff than just taxes yet that’s all the GOP talks about!

mrscullen on December 31, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Why do you say this? The media doesn’t report what the Republicans are doing or saying. Have you heard that the House passed two plans to completely avoid all of this drama?

Vince on December 31, 2012 at 11:09 AM

only pain will cure the stupid.

Bishop on December 31, 2012 at 11:08 AM

All pain does is make babies cry whilst adults have to clean up the mess.

cane_loader on December 31, 2012 at 11:09 AM

How many trillions have been spent on the war on poverty?

The War on Poverty, another great liberal/progressive idea, has inflicted far more poverty on far far more Americans than most Americans are willing to admit.

That liberal Great Society turned out to be a ramshackle Potemkin village…and a damned expensive one, too.

coldwarrior on December 31, 2012 at 11:01 AM

You’re just being mean! /sarc If all the “rich” people gave most of their money to the “poor” people, at the end of the day the rich would most likely have it all back. It is not birth or circumstance that makes someone a success in this country, but you will never convince a rabid leftist of that fact.

Night Owl on December 31, 2012 at 11:09 AM

I understand bracing yourself for the worst possible outcome but I sincerely hope you are wrong.

Fallon on December 31, 2012 at 9:48 AM

We already saw the Rats reject the Pubbie versions of the $1 million-and-up tax hikes, and if Reid’s reaction to the McConnell/Biden Compromise is right, their $400 thousand-and-up tax hikes. You’re damn right I’m expecting the worst.

Steve Eggleston on December 31, 2012 at 11:15 AM

WIll be very interesting to watch the stock market today, hour by hour, and correlate it to public statements by our “leaders.”

cane_loader on December 31, 2012 at 11:20 AM

It’s almost like the Democrats want to go over the cliff!!!

/clueless GOP

gwelf on December 31, 2012 at 11:21 AM

As a narcissist, 0bama has a subconscious desire to go over the cliff, just to revel in the pain he has caused. It’s clinical.

cane_loader on December 31, 2012 at 11:23 AM

The GOP needs to walk away from this – NOW. Vote present. Let IT Burn.

dogsoldier on December 31, 2012 at 11:24 AM

The GOP needs to walk away from this – NOW. Vote present. Let IT Burn.

dogsoldier on December 31, 2012 at 11:24 AM

I agree. Due to the dishonesty of 0bama, the Dems and the media, they will own it anyway.

No sense in giving up one inch, because whatever they do, the amount of blame will be the same.

Why lend one vote to Reid’s and 0bama’s power play?

Let them own it.

Let. It. Burn.

cane_loader on December 31, 2012 at 11:26 AM

Let NOBODY forget! These elitist, idiots are the very same people that put the country in this position over the last couple of decades, without a single show of intelligence. They exhibit more chicanery with the so-called Sandy Relief Bill….. the stupid basta*rds have filled it full of pork!!!!! And I have yet to hear anybody in DC protest. I guess Hell will freeze over………..

ultracon on December 31, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Basically, we’re screwed.

trigon on December 31, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Now the liberals are complainging that Reid is giving up too much. Good grief, and Republicans are supposidly the party that is being unreasonable.

Republicans get:

1. Death tax only at 35% over 5 million.
2. No tax hikes on people and small businesses making between 200k and ~400k

Demcorats get:

1. New tax hikes.
2. Unemployment extension.
3. Debt Ceiling increases.
4. No real spending cuts.
5. Nothing is done to SS, Medicare, Medicaid or Obamacare.
6. Increase in capital gains taxes.
7. Delay in sequestration, but not permanent.
8. Obviously none of the 47% percent actually being forced to pay their fair share, through tax reform, or promise of tax reform.
9. Certain deductions being eliminated for those making over 200k?

And this is not enough for them. Unbelievable.

If the last 2 months did not make it clear that Democrats dont give a crap about anyone not in the 47% and stand for nothing but increasing taxes and giving the 47% free crap, than I do not know what people are paying attention to.

milcus on December 31, 2012 at 12:00 PM

All pain does is make babies cry whilst adults have to clean up the mess.

cane_loader on December 31, 2012 at 11:09 AM

You clean it up all you want, some of us are perfectly content in waiting until they can cry no more.

Daemonocracy on December 31, 2012 at 12:01 PM

AT the end there will be a “Never mind” moment.

albill on December 31, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Fresh oyster stew makes a nice lunch.

Bmore on December 31, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Quit the crying, we are going to wake up tomorrow to Obama’s great moral victory! There will be a deal so quit fretting over what is going to happen to working for how to dismantle it. Our current actors have opted to put themselves on the CSI exam table.

Limerick on December 31, 2012 at 12:03 PM

When Obama and Boehner left the table, and left it to Reid and McConnell, I predicted that the dems were making a mistake cos Reid was more partisan than Obama and Pelosi combined. And I was right. McConnell has surprised me. Bonus points to him. When he knew that Reid was stalling, he brought in Sheriff Joe. And they just might pull it off. Reid will not be pleased. He’ll be cussin Joe, a senate minion who has now become high and mighty cos hes VP. Lol

tommy71 on December 31, 2012 at 12:10 PM

If the Republicans are blamed for going over the fiscal cliff, as the media believes, how many people will blame them.

Let’s assume that blame falls along party lines and that it will initially mirror the 2011 elections. So, Obama received about 50.9% of the votes cast which equates to about 62.29 million votes, but, 62.29 million votes are only about 27.9% of the total eligible voters in this country, therefore, about 72.1% of the total eligible voters either voted for Romney, voted for someone other than Romney or Obama, or simply did not vote . To determine who the people would actually blame, random, representative samples from the entire eligible voting population must be secured evaluated. I doubt seriously that there would be any overwhelming support for Obama and the Democrats and that those blaming Republicans could be convinced to change their minds over the next two years.

Republicans should forget about the mediocre left wing media projections of blame, stick with their principles, educate the public and ready themselves for 2014. And by the way, as the above statistics vividly reveal, Obama’s win in the last election is far from being a mandate for anything.

rplat on December 31, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Update: Has it gotten this desperate? Help us, Joe-bi-Wan Bidenobi …

Turn out the lights. The party’s over.

Myron Falwell on December 31, 2012 at 12:29 PM

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