No fiscal cliff vote in House tonight, members advised to stay close by Update: Senate vote tonight? Update: Deal reached to punt on sequester

posted at 5:31 pm on December 31, 2012 by Mary Katharine Ham

There will be no vote in the House Monday night, ensuring that we will indeed go cliff-diving, at least for a day. The good news is the possible deal will set up another year of mini-cliffs. Happy New Year! This is where we learn that those who made the argument this is a “fiscal slope” rather than a cliff were correct. With the markets closed Tuesday and some assurance a deal is within reach, the economy will not go into free fall tomorrow.

The House was not expected to vote on any measure Monday night, so the U.S. will technically be going over the “fiscal cliff” at midnight, sources told CNBC. The House GOP caucus was scheduled to meet late Monday afternoon, but focusing on relief from Hurricane Sandy.

Members have been advised to stick around, Boehner tweets, along with an icy assessment of the Senate:

Boehner is expected to give a statement when Republicans come out of their 5 p.m. meeting. Robert Costa does what everyone’s doing right now, reading the refreshments at the House GOP conference:

According to reporters outside the room, most GOP lawmakers are waiting to opine until they hear more details about the deal. National Journal takes the temperature as the GOP prepared to go into its meeting:

Democratic Rep. Gerald Connolly of Virginia huddled near one of the fireplaces in the speaker’s lobby, chatting with reporters—it was chilly on the House floor, he said. Republican Rep. Tom Cole of Oklahoma talked into a TV camera near the statue of fellow Sooner-stater Will Rogers.

At the North end of the Capitol, Senate Republican Whip Jon Kyl of Arizona ladled chicken Florentine soup into a throwaway container, grabbed a pack of crackers, and, when asked whether he was frustrated about the status of the fiscal-cliff talks, told a reporter, “Don’t talk to me now, please.”

So, yes, the mood on the Hill this New Year’s Eve is a mix of idle tension and expectation. Even though Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and Vice President Joe Biden are engaging in legislative alchemy to negotiate a fiscal-cliff exit ramp and optimism reigns–for now–it’s frustration that rules.

“There’s only two people in this town trying to solve the problem. The other 534 are sitting around waiting for somebody to agree to something in a back room. It ought to be done out in the open. The public’s business ought to be public,” Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, said in an interview.

President Obama said negotiators are homing in on a deal to prevent across-the-board tax hikes after midnight. Even though it’s not done yet, details of what has been agreed to began to emerge.

Methinks some lawmakers shouldn’t be so cavalier about admitting their uselessness:

The sourness of being left out of talks is not limited to Republican senators. Their minority counterparts in the House are left wondering what’s next as well.

“Unfortunately, a majority of us are not involved in any of the negotiations, and we go back to our districts and people say, ‘What are you doing? What’s happening?’ And we’re waiting like anybody else,” said Democratic Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger of Maryland.

As for details, there are no new spending cuts, only discussion of tax rates and how much more we’ll spend. There are wins for sanity in the mix (permanent AMT fix), but this is not a “deficit reduction” plan, folks. Welcome to this warped town. Negotiators will call it a plan to make “wiser” cuts than sequestration would have, but sentient beings are right to be concerned about whether they will ever materialize.

Molly Ball has a nice run-down of the basics, as does the National Journal. Read both for your basics in preparation for a vote tomorrow or for party banter tonight, if you’re going to a really crappy party.

I’ll update with Boehner’s statement when it comes.

Update (AP): More on the timeline from Robert Costa:

Update (MKH): If you’re interested enough to want to follow this throughout the night, Costa’s your man, by the way. According to various reporters outside meetings on the Hill, Sen. John McCain was asked “deal or no deal,” and he said “deal.” Sen. Jon Kyl is “hoping” for a vote tonight, and Sen. Johnny Isakson said “there’ll probably be a vote tonight on our side.”

Chad Pergram of Fox on the timing. The Senate is now looking for “pay-fors,” he said, to justify putting off sequestration cuts for two months.

Update (AP): Are they going to vote on a complete fiscal-cliff package, though? Or, as McConnell suggested earlier, just the tax portion? At the moment, the sequester is the sticking point.

Update (AP): Tea-party patience has run out.

Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) lashed out at the upper chamber today as a symbol of government’s runaway power in Americans’ lives.

“It’s an alternate universe. No, this — this place is a joke. I mean, bottom line, this is an absurd process,” Johnson said on CNBC. “It certainly proves the genius of our founding fathers that government should be limited. I mean, the fact that we have this place having such an enormous effect on our economy, on people’s livelihood, is wrong. It’s simply wrong.”

“So, I’m the manufacturer. I’m always looking for the cause of problems. The cause of the problem is that government is far too large. It’s far too intrusive into our lives. It exerts way too much control over our economy, but that’s where we’re at. And, you know, I have no — I don’t know too many people that really think government’s effective or efficient. Why would they think the governing body of that government would be particularly effective or efficient as well?” he continued. “This is a mere symptom of the overall problem in a system of government that has become too large and too intrusive in our lives.”

Watch Rand Paul pile on, too. Quote: “What does the [Senate] Majority Leader say? ‘We won’t do anything about entitlements.” Oh great, this is going to be a real great solution. But we’re going to stick it to rich people! I hope nobody works for those rich people.”

Update (AP): Just to make this sham a little more of a sham, the spending-cuts portion of the cliff is now officially postponed.

“Sequestration will not be implemented for two months,” said Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), the ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

McCain said the $24-billion cost of delaying the sequester would be offset by other cuts so as not to add to the deficit, but those details remain unresolved.

“They haven’t ironed that out yet,” he said of the sequester.

Update (AP): Hmmmm:

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Triple gainer.

into an empty pool.

What could go wrong?

/s

RealMc on December 31, 2012 at 5:33 PM

GERONIMO!

:)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on December 31, 2012 at 5:36 PM

There are really two issues here:
1) the effect of tax rates on the economy.
2) the deficit.

I think the Republicans would be wise to stick to #1 for today. Getting Bush-era rates made permanent, along with a long-overdue permanent fix to the AMT, is a big win. But don’t include an increase in the debt ceiling as part of it. Keep the debt ceiling as leverage when dealing with #2 in a couple months.

Mohonri on December 31, 2012 at 5:40 PM

This is what Boehner and Obama both want. Taxes go up, no real budget cuts. Boehner doesn’t have to take a tough stand, or break his “no new taxes” pledge a la bush, and Obama is then in the position to grant tax cuts (to keep rates we have today for us sub-250,000 folks) or not, but the media will guarantee hes not blamed either way.

So it’s really a win/win/lose situation. Win for obama, win for boehner, lose for us.

Timin203 on December 31, 2012 at 5:40 PM

The good news is the possible deal will set up another year of mini-cliffs.

As for details, there are no new spending cuts, only discussion of tax rates and how much more we’ll spend.

Just makes ya proud.

Thank you GOP

(pathetic, useless, RINO d-bags)

Tim_CA on December 31, 2012 at 5:40 PM

There’s only two people in this town trying to solve the problem. The other 534 are sitting around waiting for somebody to agree to something in a back room.

Objective: Down the Road
Target: The Can
Means: Swift kick

Meanwhile, out here in the darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth

STL_Vet on December 31, 2012 at 5:42 PM

There are really two issues here:
1) the effect of tax rates on the economy.
2) the deficit.

I think the Republicans would be wise to stick to #1 for today. Getting Bush-era rates made permanent, along with a long-overdue permanent fix to the AMT, is a big win. But don’t include an increase in the debt ceiling as part of it. Keep the debt ceiling as leverage when dealing with #2 in a couple months.

Mohonri on December 31, 2012 at 5:40 PM

Except we’ve been trying to deal with 2) since ’08 (and earlier for some of us, ahem), and everyone seems agreed on keeping tax rates where they are for lower income people (so taking out the sunset clause doesn’t matter, it would be re-approved in 2 years anyways).

We’ve also largely lost #1 since we’re agreeing to raising taxes (to raise revenue) on “the rich” and since boehner accepted the premise with his stupid plan b.

Timin203 on December 31, 2012 at 5:42 PM

They will reach a deal that could have been passed years ago and we’ll continue to go about our lives as if the government wasn’t bankrupt. It’s pathetic.

joekenha on December 31, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Well it seems our elected lemmings in dc are going to let bho drag them and our nation as far down as they can? I just wish the whole blooming bunch would jump off, bho included!
L

letget on December 31, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Epic failure by epic failures. These folks couldn’t cut it in the non public world. Look no further than the epic failure in the public world. Idiots and small. I hope they fail! Spread the pain. Pass the salt!

Bmore on December 31, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Lalalalalalala…for the leftist idiots.

Obama hates the middle class.

Schadenfreude on December 31, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Negotiators will call it a plan to make “wiser” cuts than sequestration would have, but sentient beings are right to be concerned about whether they will ever materialize.

Well, they could appoint a bipartisan commission to recommend spending cuts for Obama just like in 2011…oh, wait…..

Wethal on December 31, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Political theater. And the GOP is so completely clueless at it.

petefrt on December 31, 2012 at 5:49 PM

Exceptional.

DarkCurrent on December 31, 2012 at 5:49 PM

GOP sources admitted there is an added benefit to the Senate’s delay: taxes would already be up, so lawmakers could argue that they are voting for tax cuts, as opposed to tax increases.

Wednesday news flash

“Obama instituted the biggest tax cut in history”…

Today they go over the cliff…then comes tomorrow

“We worked in a bipartisan fashion to cut taxes”.

May their brains all splatter into a million pieces.

Schadenfreude on December 31, 2012 at 5:49 PM

They will reach a deal that could have been passed years ago and we’ll continue to go about our lives as if the government wasn’t bankrupt. It’s pathetic.

joekenha on December 31, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Yeah, I think you nailed in. Even though it’s likely to be a deal that’s the worst of both worlds and will only make things worse (spending increases, tax increases, deduction caps).

Timin203 on December 31, 2012 at 5:51 PM

The LalalalalalObamaland

Schadenfreude on December 31, 2012 at 5:51 PM

Logic101 for Dummies from all sides

Schadenfreude on December 31, 2012 at 5:52 PM

Just makes ya proud.

Thank you GOP

(pathetic, useless, RINO d-bags)

Tim_CA on December 31, 2012 at 5:40 PM

Do you have a problem with basic math? Because the GOP has come up with plan after plan for cutting spending, they just do not have the votes to get it passed..Maybe you should stop and count…White House And Senate=2…House GOP=1…Two is more than one…Now if more Republicans had actually won the last election those numbers would be different…so instead of just yapping about Rinos, maybe you could also blame Angle, O’Donnell, Buck, Mourdock, Akin and a few other Tru Cons out there who failed to win their Senate seats. That might have made a real difference and changed that math.

Terrye on December 31, 2012 at 5:52 PM

“There’s only two people in this town trying to solve the problem. The other 534 are sitting around waiting for somebody to agree to something in a back room. It ought to be done out in the open. The public’s business ought to be public,” Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, said in an interview.

This nation has gone from Jefferson vs. Hamilton to now Biden vs. McConnell.

I think that sort of says it all folks about the state of our nation.

Can you imagine the fate of the nation coming down to Biden and McConnell? What is scary is I can actually imagine it in a few years. Well I guess it is better than Obama and Boehner. You know looking at the positives…and such.

William Eaton on December 31, 2012 at 5:53 PM

Debt ceiling will be a fail, too. Barky will just threaten to cut off Militay and SS checks like he did last time.

wolly4321 on December 31, 2012 at 5:54 PM

94% of incumbents weer reelected even with their abysmal 9% approval rating.

The electorate is blind and stupid.

tom daschle concerned on December 31, 2012 at 5:54 PM

This is farcical. Can you imagine what it’s going to be like when the bond market finally forces us to actually take substantive measures?

Mark1971 on December 31, 2012 at 5:56 PM

Do you have a problem with basic math? Because the GOP has come up with plan after plan for cutting spending, they just do not have the votes to get it passed..Maybe you should stop and count…White House And Senate=2…House GOP=1…Two is more than one…Now if more Republicans had actually won the last election those numbers would be different…so instead of just yapping about Rinos, maybe you could also blame Angle, O’Donnell, Buck, Mourdock, Akin and a few other Tru Cons out there who failed to win their Senate seats. That might have made a real difference and changed that math.

Terrye on December 31, 2012 at 5:52 PM

Are you KIDDING? The republicans have done NOTHING, have offered NOTHING, and even their most bold extremist plan (Ryan’s plan) didn’t cut the budget — only cut the rate of growth.

That argument changed from how much government to cut (the pledge the republicans made in ’08 to cut 100 billion) to how much the government should grow on auto-pilot.

Timin203 on December 31, 2012 at 5:56 PM

My understanding is that the taxes and the sequestration are not set to trigger at the same time. They actually have a couple more days to come up with spending alternatives to the sequestration or the cuts kick in…that is what I heard on Fox. Is that true? If that is correct, there will be spending cuts…it is just a question of where they are.

The whole thing is nuts. It really is.

Terrye on December 31, 2012 at 5:56 PM

All according to plan:

DH: What’s going on now?

RB: People better pay close attention over the next few months. First, there won’t be any meaningful deal about the fiscal crisis. This is planned, I mean, the lack of deal is planned. In fact, it’s necessary to pave the way for what is in the short term agenda.

Read the whole thing.

Prepare.

Rebar on December 31, 2012 at 5:57 PM

My understanding is that the taxes and the sequestration are not set to trigger at the same time. They actually have a couple more days to come up with spending alternatives to the sequestration or the cuts kick in…that is what I heard on Fox. Is that true? If that is correct, there will be spending cuts…it is just a question of where they are.

The whole thing is nuts. It really is.

Terrye on December 31, 2012 at 5:56 PM

I can promise you that no matter what happens, there will be no cuts. No budgets will be smaller next year then they were this year.

Timin203 on December 31, 2012 at 5:57 PM

The question Democrats are going to have to answer in the new year is: if they want to cut taxes, how are they going to pay for them? That was one of the lines they used against the Bush tax cuts 10 years ago and we’re far more bankrupt today then we were then. There is lots of video of Democrats arguing for tax increases and against tax cuts, and in order to cut taxes now, (for the first time ever, perhaps), they are going to have to defeat themselves in the past, and should be made to work very hard at it and fight for every yard.

The only tax changes I’m interested in is replacing the corrupt income tax with a fair-tax. If I were in Congress that is the only way the Democrats could sweeten the deal for me to either cut or raise taxes. Otherwise I would argue that people should pay for the government they vote for. Sticking future generations with the bill is immoral.

FloatingRock on December 31, 2012 at 5:58 PM

Just a quick *clink* all around to the HA family (been down for the count all day, major headache)

Happy 2013

Happy dive!

cmsinaz on December 31, 2012 at 5:58 PM

They’re all just pissed they can’t get shit-faced on the taxpayers dime until later this evening, if at all.

Whats the point of being a Senator or Representative if you can’t get drunk at 4:00 pm on New Years Eve?

BobMbx on December 31, 2012 at 5:58 PM

Terrye on December 31, 2012 at 5:52 PM

um…you can keep cryin’ over spilt milk…or you can accept that we are where we are.

It’s a bad deal. They have the ability to walk away.

I really don’t need to do alot of math here….but thanks for your concern.

Tim_CA on December 31, 2012 at 5:59 PM

i’ve been totally out of pocket all day long…which was great.

i tried reading thru the other thread to see what i missed…stopped mid way…waste of time. So barry talked today? again? wow, what a shock

the amt fix sounds good. How about the Doc fix?

how much will this “raise”? I would think that S&P would take a dim view of an out-of-control country led by clowns and freaks that should be in some circus somewhere…pitching wildly out of control while the central bank furiously buys up the debt to prop up the show

but that’s just me

r keller on December 31, 2012 at 5:59 PM

Are you KIDDING? The republicans have done NOTHING, have offered NOTHING, and even their most bold extremist plan (Ryan’s plan) didn’t cut the budget — only cut the rate of growth.

That argument changed from how much government to cut (the pledge the republicans made in ’08 to cut 100 billion) to how much the government should grow on auto-pilot.

Timin203 on December 31, 2012 at 5:56 PM

They offered more than the Democrats offered and even then they could not get it through because people acted as if it were Draconian. Complain all you want, the Republicans tried to get more cuts than we are seeing now and Obama would have none of it.

Terrye on December 31, 2012 at 5:59 PM

Hey Bob, we’re broke. Buy your own stupid pizza.

LoganSix on December 31, 2012 at 6:00 PM

They’re all just pissed they can’t get shit-faced on the taxpayers dime until later this evening, if at all.

Whats the point of being a Senator or Representative if you can’t get drunk at 4:00 pm on New Years Eve?

BobMbx on December 31, 2012 at 5:58 PM

That is not a bad idea…

Get Biden drunk and have him sign off on something useful.

See the GOP needs to start playing dirty.

William Eaton on December 31, 2012 at 6:00 PM

If Democrats are going to try to cut taxes in ’13 they are going to need to cut spending to pay for it.

FloatingRock on December 31, 2012 at 6:01 PM

um…you can keep cryin’ over spilt milk…or you can accept that we are where we are.

It’s a bad deal. They have the ability to walk away.

I really don’t need to do alot of math here….but thanks for your concern.

Tim_CA on December 31, 2012 at 5:59 PM

I will stop crying over spilt milk when you do. I am sick and tired of listening to people piss and moan about Rinos when half of them supported a bunch of losers themselves. The fact is the GOP does not have the votes to do what you want…that is just a fact and it has nothing to do with the tiresome hobby of Rino hunting.

Terrye on December 31, 2012 at 6:02 PM

Aren’t you ashamed that this inanity is your president?

Schadenfreude on December 31, 2012 at 6:03 PM

For Release: John Boehner and Mitch McConnell

Today we have worked with the President and our very dear friends across the aisle to reach a truly bi-partisan agreement. We did this for working families all across America, for cute little baby seals. We did it to save the kittens.

We’ve deemed the Sequester a fantasy – it is not even a real word.

America can continue to remain confident that we will do whatever it takes to ensure that nothing stops the inevitable financial collapse of these great United States of America. God Bless America and frankly, God Bless Us – your humble servants.

Now, COCKTAILS!

CorporatePiggy on December 31, 2012 at 6:06 PM

Not sure if I am more disgusted with the GOPe (including Hot Air editors) complacent acceptance of this sh1te sandwich as inevitable …

… or the Hot Air commenters “willing suspension of disbelief” in thinking not addressing the spending cuts WON’T have immediate, negative consequences.

PolAgnostic on December 31, 2012 at 6:06 PM

The fact is the GOP does not have the votes to do what you want…that is just a fact and it has nothing to do with the tiresome hobby of Rino hunting.

Terrye on December 31, 2012 at 6:02 PM

I know sparky…..I know.

In your mind it’s waaaaaay better to have GOP fingerprints all over a tax increase….that they bought with absolutely no spending cuts.

I happen to think that walking away and sticking to your core platform is the better way to go.

oh….and you can drop the snotty attitude btw.

Tim_CA on December 31, 2012 at 6:07 PM

Prediction – unless they’ve bought off Dingy Harry, there will be no vote. Not tonight, not tomorrow, not ever.

Steve Eggleston on December 31, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Update (MKH): According to various reporters outside meetings on the Hill, Sen. John McCain was asked “deal or no deal,” and he said “deal.” Sen. Jon Kyl is “hoping” for a vote tonight, and Sen. Johnny Isakson said “there’ll probably be a vote tonight on our side.”

What??? Sheesh.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on December 31, 2012 at 6:09 PM

Debt ceiling will be a fail, too. Barky will just threaten to cut off Militay and SS checks like he did last time.

wolly4321 on December 31, 2012 at 5:54 PM

He can’t turn off the SS checks, they go out even if the debt ceiling isn’t raised. They threatened to in ’11 but it would take the act of a dictator to do so, and a dictator that shuts off the SS checks will be a very unpopular dictator indeed.

FloatingRock on December 31, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Stay in the deep end

cmsinaz on December 31, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Update (MKH): According to various reporters outside meetings on the Hill, Sen. John McCain was asked “deal or no deal,” and he said “deal.” Sen. Jon Kyl is “hoping” for a vote tonight, and Sen. Johnny Isakson said “there’ll probably be a vote tonight on our side.”

Ms. Lindsey is busy changing Depends.

Schadenfreude on December 31, 2012 at 6:12 PM

He can’t turn off the SS checks, they go out even if the debt ceiling isn’t raised. They threatened to in ’11 but it would take the act of a dictator to do so, and a dictator that shuts off the SS checks will be a very unpopular dictator indeed.

FloatingRock on December 31, 2012 at 6:10 PM

At this point, Teh SCOAMF doesn’t give a flying <expletive deleted> about popularity – he’s now more “flexible” and completely unaccountable.

Steve Eggleston on December 31, 2012 at 6:12 PM

man alive……..I lllllllllove having Ruling class Big gov loving Progressives in charge of both parties.

Said no TRUE Conservative ever.

PappyD61 on December 31, 2012 at 6:12 PM

You’re dead wrong.

The gop DOES have the votes to do what many of us want.

The gop has the votes to block all spending and tax increases. Period.

blink on December 31, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Beyond the Clinton+PlaceboCare rates, at least. Those require no further action.

Steve Eggleston on December 31, 2012 at 6:13 PM

Is the choice of Democrat or Democrat-Lite, all we have left?

kingsjester on December 31, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Ms. Lindsey is busy changing Depends.

Schadenfreude on December 31, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Oh, is that what he was doing in that video in the QOTD last night? I thought he was waging his tail after saying something that would please his masters seeking ever expanding corporate welfare checks, but may be he was just soiling his Depends.

FloatingRock on December 31, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Just a friendly reminder…

Democrats Were Against The Bush Middle Class Tax Cuts Before They Were For Them

The names are etched on the walls of the Hall of Hypocrites.

Resist We Much on December 31, 2012 at 6:16 PM

blink on December 31, 2012 at 6:11 PM

I think he’s yammering about the senate.

Tim_CA on December 31, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Business as usual; Secret meetings and deals that no one knows about, votes in the middle of the night.

El_Terrible on December 31, 2012 at 6:17 PM

I blame Bush.

davidk on December 31, 2012 at 6:18 PM

FloatingRock on December 31, 2012 at 6:14 PM

NO, he’s changing them for McCain and the other senatorial farts. May they all end up, soon, in the same creche.

Schadenfreude on December 31, 2012 at 6:20 PM

No tax increases.

Spending cuts.

Or no deal.

Everything else is folly.

Midas on December 31, 2012 at 6:20 PM

I blame Bush.

davidk on December 31, 2012 at 6:18 PM

lol…s’up?

Tim_CA on December 31, 2012 at 6:20 PM

I’m buying my pizza tonight. Which is normal.

I guess paying for one’s own meals might be a daunting task for our leaders. Fortunately, they do have aides that can make the call to Domino’s for them. So there’s that. I guess.

Jeddite on December 31, 2012 at 6:20 PM

Is the choice of Democrat or Democrat-Lite, all we have left?

kingsjester on December 31, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Or a hut in a small fishing village in Mexico.

davidk on December 31, 2012 at 6:21 PM

They offered more than the Democrats offered and even then they could not get it through because people acted as if it were Draconian. Complain all you want, the Republicans tried to get more cuts than we are seeing now and Obama would have none of it.

Terrye on December 31, 2012 at 5:59 PM

Neither the democrats nor the republicans have made any serious proposals in years. If the republicans truly believed this spending was ruinous, they would turn off the spigot, refuse to authorize another continuing resolution, refuse to raise the debt ceiling, and shut down the government until we had a budget that the republicans felt contained enough cuts to pass.
And if harry reid refused to produce a budget, maybe americans would realize that when the washington dc shuts down, nothing changes. It really is a useless blackhole that sucks productivity out of the rest of the country.

Timin203 on December 31, 2012 at 6:21 PM

lol…s’up?

Tim_CA on December 31, 2012 at 6:20 PM

Same ol’.

davidk on December 31, 2012 at 6:22 PM

If you supported the GOP why are you complaining? You got exactly what you wanted. And don’t complain that you didn’t get what you wanted. You know their history, and you supported nonetheless.

You got what you wanted…Betrayal…

The GOP will betray you

True_King on December 31, 2012 at 6:24 PM

At this point, Teh SCOAMF doesn’t give a flying about popularity – he’s now more “flexible” and completely unaccountable.

Steve Eggleston on December 31, 2012 at 6:12 PM

But if we don’t raise the debt ceiling and Obama and the Democrats threaten to cut off the SS checks they are certainly bluffing. If the Democrats use SS checks as a cudgel in such a dictatorial fashion they will be tarred, feathered and ridden out of government on a figurative rail, IMO.

FloatingRock on December 31, 2012 at 6:24 PM

The fact is the GOP does not have the votes to do what you want…

Terrye on December 31, 2012 at 6:02 PM

You’re dead wrong.

The gop DOES have the votes to do what many of us want.

The gop has the votes to block all spending and tax increases. Period.

blink on December 31, 2012 at 6:11 PM

You’re right, blink. They just don’t have the courage . . . or the want to.

davidk on December 31, 2012 at 6:25 PM

But if we don’t raise the debt ceiling and Obama and the Democrats threaten to cut off the SS checks they are certainly bluffing. If the Democrats use SS checks as a cudgel in such a dictatorial fashion they will be tarred, feathered and ridden out of government on a figurative rail, IMO.

FloatingRock on December 31, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Did you forget to use a /sarc tag?

Timin203 on December 31, 2012 at 6:26 PM

I blame Bush.

davidk on December 31, 2012 at 6:18 PM

lol. You’ll love this…

Wiz of Oz: “Hey, Don’t Look At Me! It’s Those Damn American Tea-Bagger’s Fault!”

M2RB: Bohemian Rhapsody from “Wayne’s World”

Evidently, it’s the fault of Gadsden-flag-waving, constitution-loving, hey-we-already-borrow-46-cents-out-of-every-dollar-we-spend Tea Partying Americans that the leftist government in Australia failed to produce a budget surplus! And, MSNBC claims the Tea Party is irrelevant!!!

Resist We Much on December 31, 2012 at 6:26 PM

But if we don’t raise the debt ceiling and Obama and the Democrats threaten to cut off the SS checks they are certainly bluffing. If the Democrats use SS checks as a cudgel in such a dictatorial fashion they will be tarred, feathered and ridden out of government on a figurative rail, IMO.

FloatingRock on December 31, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Were they last month? Hint – even though more seniors voted Republican than ever did before, there will be more Rats in Congress in 3 days than there are now.

Steve Eggleston on December 31, 2012 at 6:27 PM

You’re right, blink. They just don’t have the courage . . . or the want to.

davidk on December 31, 2012 at 6:25 PM

They care more about their power and their committee chairmanships then the future of the country. Anything conservative-sounding they may have said in the past was due to a consultant who thought it focus grouped well.

Timin203 on December 31, 2012 at 6:27 PM

But if we don’t raise the debt ceiling and Obama and the Democrats threaten to cut off the SS checks they are certainly bluffing. If the Democrats use SS checks as a cudgel in such a dictatorial fashion they will be tarred, feathered and ridden out of government on a figurative rail, IMO.

FloatingRock on December 31, 2012 at 6:24 PM

That’s exactly what Obama did with the debt ceiling… threaten to cut off ss checks. no tars, rails, or feathers involved. just media blaming the republicans for not compromising.

Timin203 on December 31, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Obama hates the middle class. americans

Schadenfreude on December 31, 2012 at 5:48 PM

FIFY

herm2416 on December 31, 2012 at 6:33 PM

FR- Respectfully, you may be missing something. Lower taxes for the middle class and no spending cuts = massive debt.

And that’s the goal. Collapse.

wolly4321 on December 31, 2012 at 6:33 PM

cmsinaz on December 31, 2012 at 5:58 PM

Maybe a few quick doubles will hold that headache at bay.

*clinck* *clink* *clink*

petefrt on December 31, 2012 at 6:33 PM

Fresh off the wires – Senate Rats balking at only a 40%/$5 million floor death tax (currently 35%/$5 million floor, will be 55%/$1 million tomorrow with no action).

Steve Eggleston on December 31, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Did you forget to use a /sarc tag?

Timin203 on December 31, 2012 at 6:26 PM

Obviously not. Are you saying that you don’t believe the Democrats would pay a political price if they have a coup and forcibly take SS# payments hostage, against the law, to blackmail the nation? If so you are a fool.

FloatingRock on December 31, 2012 at 6:34 PM

It just keeps getting better: Tax Cheat Timmy says we’ve hit the debt limit.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/31/debt-limit-reached_n_2390166.html

Philly on December 31, 2012 at 6:36 PM

Oblama will really own the economy this dive creates. History will be brutal. Hindsight is twenty-twenty.

The GOP MUST walk away from this. The dems are being turds.

Let it burn.

dogsoldier on December 31, 2012 at 6:36 PM

Fox reports the House is adjourned until noon tomorrow: Happy New Year!

Philly on December 31, 2012 at 6:38 PM

Obviously not. Are you saying that you don’t believe the Democrats would pay a political price if they have a coup and forcibly take SS# payments hostage, against the law, to blackmail the nation? If so you are a fool.

FloatingRock on December 31, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Obama did it with the debt ceiling deal! He said if we don’t raise the debt limit, he couldn’t guarantee social security checks would go out.

He didn’t pay a political price for that, republicans did, because they were painted as trying to starve granny to death.

And after everything the democrats have gotten away with in recent memory, do you really think ANYTHING they do will actually have a major political price to it? Media will spin it away from the democrats, low info people will either not know about it or think it was the republicans fault.

Timin203 on December 31, 2012 at 6:42 PM

FR- he got re-elected after this and the d’s picked up seats:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/07/obama-debt-ceiling-impasse-threatens-social-security-veterans-medicaid-checks/

wolly4321 on December 31, 2012 at 6:42 PM

BURNBURNBURNBURNBURNBURNBURNBURN

sandee on December 31, 2012 at 6:44 PM

How close is the Senate vote? Word is Biden is rolling to Capitol Hill to personally run the Senate. No word on whether Reid will let him in.

Steve Eggleston on December 31, 2012 at 6:44 PM

Obama did it with the debt ceiling deal! He said if we don’t raise the debt limit, he couldn’t guarantee social security checks would go out.

Timin203 on December 31, 2012 at 6:42 PM

He doesn’t have to guarantee it, they go regardless, guaranteed. Obama would have to commit an illegal act to stop them from going out unless he can convince the House to go along with it.

FloatingRock on December 31, 2012 at 6:45 PM

And that’s the goal. Collapse.

wolly4321 on December 31, 2012 at 6:33 PM

That’s what we need to remember. This is what most of them want. Apparently the GOPe, too.

Oil the guns.

davidk on December 31, 2012 at 6:46 PM

The most sobering and marginally disgusting fact about this war in Washington, with all it’s cannon roar and smoke, is that nothing they’re discussing will have any fundamental effect upon the icebergs in front of this nation.

And these are not hidden icebergs. They are standing there, clearly in view, awaiting the multiple collisions to come. And the fools on the bridge are screaming at each other over a game of checkers.

Insanity. Government Gone Wild.

And it’s not a pretty picture.

IndieDogg on December 31, 2012 at 6:46 PM

BTW, sorry for calling you a fool above, I thought I was responding to Terrye, who I know better than I know you.

FloatingRock on December 31, 2012 at 6:46 PM

FR- he got re-elected after this and the d’s picked up seats:

wolly4321 on December 31, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Of course he did, because Republicans caved. They didn’t cut up the nations credit cards or hide them in the safe so Obama didn’t have to carry through on his threat to take SS hostage as part of an illegal coup.

FloatingRock on December 31, 2012 at 6:49 PM

He doesn’t have to guarantee it, they go regardless, guaranteed. Obama would have to commit an illegal act to stop them from going out unless he can convince the House to go along with it.

FloatingRock on December 31, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Yes, I know. I’m not saying he WOULD cut the checks off, only that he has threatened to before (well, implied the hell out of it…) and would definitely threaten to again if it suited his needs.

BTW, sorry for calling you a fool above, I thought I was responding to Terrye, who I know better than I know you.

FloatingRock on December 31, 2012 at 6:46 PM

np, I think we’ve all been a little heated since the election.

Timin203 on December 31, 2012 at 6:49 PM

At Midnight tonight, Their carriages all turn back into pumpkins Piles of Crap.

portlandon on December 31, 2012 at 6:50 PM

I guess paying for one’s own meals might be a daunting task for our leaders. Fortunately, they do have aides that can make the call to Domino’s for them. So there’s that. I guess.

Jeddite on December 31, 2012 at 6:20 PM

There’s an app for that

BobMbx on December 31, 2012 at 6:51 PM

Schadenfreude

Resist We Much

Good Evening you two, and so your aware, I am back in the states, just long enough to watch the show, than it is back up on the wall in the Pacific. Mrs. MarshFox(not her real name) was happy to get me home this holiday season as compared to the last oh six or so. When I say show I mean the theater that we are being given. I will leave you my friends with this tid bit of my mind, I have thought for years now that we may have been better with an amended version of the Articles of Confederation, then maybe we would still be a Republic, vice having our freedoms bought and sold at market in DC by the ruling class of elites!

MarshFox on December 31, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Fresh off the wires – Senate Rats balking at only a 40%/$5 million floor death tax (currently 35%/$5 million floor, will be 55%/$1 million tomorrow with no action).

Steve Eggleston on December 31, 2012 at 6:34 PM

I’m amazed the GOP would hold fast on anything.

Wethal on December 31, 2012 at 6:53 PM

Barky wouldn’t do anything illegal, would he? /

wolly4321 on December 31, 2012 at 6:53 PM

All of this hype over 1 week of Government spending..

Electrongod on December 31, 2012 at 6:54 PM

Yes, I know. I’m not saying he WOULD cut the checks off, only that he has threatened to before (well, implied the hell out of it…) and would definitely threaten to again if it suited his needs.

Timin203 on December 31, 2012 at 6:49 PM

This time we should make him carry out his (empty) threats because it will be the end of the Democrat Party if he does. It will be Obama and the Democrats holed up in Washington DC with guns to the heads of everybody’s SS checks, blackmailing America. Either America allows Obama and the Democrats steal the future of their children and grandchildren, turning them into slaves to political/corporate/labor cronies, or else the SS checks get a bullet in the head.

It’s so fantastically untenable that it can only be an empty threat. If not, so ends the Democrat Party and Obama’s squandered legacy.

FloatingRock on December 31, 2012 at 6:55 PM

Any doubters of cloward-piven left?

wolly4321 on December 31, 2012 at 6:57 PM

Oblama will really own the economy this dive creates. History will be brutal. Hindsight is twenty-twenty.

The GOP MUST walk away from this. The dems are being turds.

Let it burn.

dogsoldier on December 31, 2012 at 6:36 PM

Haha, yeah, definitely. THIS TIME something will stick to him.

/sarc

Timin203 on December 31, 2012 at 6:59 PM

This time we should make him carry out his (empty) threats because it will be the end of the Democrat Party if he does. It will be Obama and the Democrats holed up in Washington DC with guns to the heads of everybody’s SS checks, blackmailing America. Either America allows Obama and the Democrats steal the future of their children and grandchildren, turning them into slaves to political/corporate/labor cronies, or else the SS checks get a bullet in the head.

It’s so fantastically untenable that it can only be an empty threat. If not, so ends the Democrat Party and Obama’s squandered legacy.

FloatingRock on December 31, 2012 at 6:55 PM

Two things…
1) The SS checks will end up stopping someday regardless (because math doesnt care about old people), so lets not choose saving an entitlement as the hill to die on.
2) what makes you think the republicans wouldnt take the blame? He’d say the republicans were not allowing the debt ceiling (or whatever) to go up, and without which, we cant borrow money, and without that we cant send out SS checks. The media will repeat that, and the low information voters that re-elected him will sop it up.

Timin203 on December 31, 2012 at 7:02 PM

Again respectfully, I think barkys idea of his legacy might be lost on you. You are thinking in conventional terms. He isn’t.

wolly4321 on December 31, 2012 at 7:05 PM

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