No fiscal cliff vote in House tonight, members advised to stay close by Update: Senate vote tonight? Update: Deal reached to punt on sequester

posted at 5:31 pm on December 31, 2012 by Mary Katharine Ham

There will be no vote in the House Monday night, ensuring that we will indeed go cliff-diving, at least for a day. The good news is the possible deal will set up another year of mini-cliffs. Happy New Year! This is where we learn that those who made the argument this is a “fiscal slope” rather than a cliff were correct. With the markets closed Tuesday and some assurance a deal is within reach, the economy will not go into free fall tomorrow.

The House was not expected to vote on any measure Monday night, so the U.S. will technically be going over the “fiscal cliff” at midnight, sources told CNBC. The House GOP caucus was scheduled to meet late Monday afternoon, but focusing on relief from Hurricane Sandy.

Members have been advised to stick around, Boehner tweets, along with an icy assessment of the Senate:

Boehner is expected to give a statement when Republicans come out of their 5 p.m. meeting. Robert Costa does what everyone’s doing right now, reading the refreshments at the House GOP conference:

According to reporters outside the room, most GOP lawmakers are waiting to opine until they hear more details about the deal. National Journal takes the temperature as the GOP prepared to go into its meeting:

Democratic Rep. Gerald Connolly of Virginia huddled near one of the fireplaces in the speaker’s lobby, chatting with reporters—it was chilly on the House floor, he said. Republican Rep. Tom Cole of Oklahoma talked into a TV camera near the statue of fellow Sooner-stater Will Rogers.

At the North end of the Capitol, Senate Republican Whip Jon Kyl of Arizona ladled chicken Florentine soup into a throwaway container, grabbed a pack of crackers, and, when asked whether he was frustrated about the status of the fiscal-cliff talks, told a reporter, “Don’t talk to me now, please.”

So, yes, the mood on the Hill this New Year’s Eve is a mix of idle tension and expectation. Even though Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and Vice President Joe Biden are engaging in legislative alchemy to negotiate a fiscal-cliff exit ramp and optimism reigns–for now–it’s frustration that rules.

“There’s only two people in this town trying to solve the problem. The other 534 are sitting around waiting for somebody to agree to something in a back room. It ought to be done out in the open. The public’s business ought to be public,” Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, said in an interview.

President Obama said negotiators are homing in on a deal to prevent across-the-board tax hikes after midnight. Even though it’s not done yet, details of what has been agreed to began to emerge.

Methinks some lawmakers shouldn’t be so cavalier about admitting their uselessness:

The sourness of being left out of talks is not limited to Republican senators. Their minority counterparts in the House are left wondering what’s next as well.

“Unfortunately, a majority of us are not involved in any of the negotiations, and we go back to our districts and people say, ‘What are you doing? What’s happening?’ And we’re waiting like anybody else,” said Democratic Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger of Maryland.

As for details, there are no new spending cuts, only discussion of tax rates and how much more we’ll spend. There are wins for sanity in the mix (permanent AMT fix), but this is not a “deficit reduction” plan, folks. Welcome to this warped town. Negotiators will call it a plan to make “wiser” cuts than sequestration would have, but sentient beings are right to be concerned about whether they will ever materialize.

Molly Ball has a nice run-down of the basics, as does the National Journal. Read both for your basics in preparation for a vote tomorrow or for party banter tonight, if you’re going to a really crappy party.

I’ll update with Boehner’s statement when it comes.

Update (AP): More on the timeline from Robert Costa:

Update (MKH): If you’re interested enough to want to follow this throughout the night, Costa’s your man, by the way. According to various reporters outside meetings on the Hill, Sen. John McCain was asked “deal or no deal,” and he said “deal.” Sen. Jon Kyl is “hoping” for a vote tonight, and Sen. Johnny Isakson said “there’ll probably be a vote tonight on our side.”

Chad Pergram of Fox on the timing. The Senate is now looking for “pay-fors,” he said, to justify putting off sequestration cuts for two months.

Update (AP): Are they going to vote on a complete fiscal-cliff package, though? Or, as McConnell suggested earlier, just the tax portion? At the moment, the sequester is the sticking point.

Update (AP): Tea-party patience has run out.

Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) lashed out at the upper chamber today as a symbol of government’s runaway power in Americans’ lives.

“It’s an alternate universe. No, this — this place is a joke. I mean, bottom line, this is an absurd process,” Johnson said on CNBC. “It certainly proves the genius of our founding fathers that government should be limited. I mean, the fact that we have this place having such an enormous effect on our economy, on people’s livelihood, is wrong. It’s simply wrong.”

“So, I’m the manufacturer. I’m always looking for the cause of problems. The cause of the problem is that government is far too large. It’s far too intrusive into our lives. It exerts way too much control over our economy, but that’s where we’re at. And, you know, I have no — I don’t know too many people that really think government’s effective or efficient. Why would they think the governing body of that government would be particularly effective or efficient as well?” he continued. “This is a mere symptom of the overall problem in a system of government that has become too large and too intrusive in our lives.”

Watch Rand Paul pile on, too. Quote: “What does the [Senate] Majority Leader say? ‘We won’t do anything about entitlements.” Oh great, this is going to be a real great solution. But we’re going to stick it to rich people! I hope nobody works for those rich people.”

Update (AP): Just to make this sham a little more of a sham, the spending-cuts portion of the cliff is now officially postponed.

“Sequestration will not be implemented for two months,” said Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), the ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

McCain said the $24-billion cost of delaying the sequester would be offset by other cuts so as not to add to the deficit, but those details remain unresolved.

“They haven’t ironed that out yet,” he said of the sequester.

Update (AP): Hmmmm:


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We. Are. Screwed.

Sasha List on January 16, 2013 at 6:55 PM

And B0ner is Pathetic

Sasha List on January 16, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Boehner=Pelosi.

Blaise on January 16, 2013 at 6:56 PM

The Boehner Mutiny a’coming?

Resist We Much on January 16, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Lou Bartletta (Pa.) did a great job as the mayor of Hazeltoon fighting illegal immigration. He has sucked as a member of Congress.

bw222 on January 16, 2013 at 6:56 PM

No cajones anywhere except up Nanzi’s skirt

Sasha List on January 16, 2013 at 6:56 PM

tom cole, OK. and to think some idiots on this thread thinks he’s something more than just a sellout.

renalin on January 16, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Time for a big scoreboard / matrix website, with all 535 turds on it. With a column for each issue / bill. Know at a glance who’s voting for or against anything. COlor-code the voting positions for conservatives, green for a ‘good’ vote, ‘red’ for the Reds.
Put the chieftains at teh top of each section, or group them by committees, so it’s useful on such levels without re-ordering the data.
Then just key it in for quick reference going forward. At a glance see which RINO is amenable and which is a worthless sellout piece of specter.

rayra on January 16, 2013 at 6:58 PM

“That rule is completely dead,” one Republican aide said. “The Democrats now effectively control the floor because nothing ‘big’ will come to the floor without knowing in advance that lots of Democrats support it. That gives the Democrats tremendous power in a body where the minority is not designed to have much power.”…

“Maybe you can do it once, maybe you can do it twice, but when you start making deals when you have to get Democrats to pass the legislation, you are not in power anymore,” [Dennis Hastert] said on Fox News Radio’s “Kilmeade & Friends.” “When you start passing stuff that your members are not in line with, all of a sudden your ability to lead is in jeopardy because somebody else is making decisions. The president is making decisions, Pelosi is making decisions, or they are making the decisions in the Senate.

Boehner is now leading a coalition of Democrats. Just freaking great! Can it get any worse? Yeah, probably can.

And why and how did this piece of horse manure just win re-election as Speaker?

JellyToast on January 16, 2013 at 7:00 PM

Seriously

Big Commitee GOP Members
Big Commitee D Members
Medium Committee GOP Members
Medium Committee D Members
Small Committee GOP Members
Small Committee D Members

Or just do it by party but add two key fields to sort on, to quickly re-order the data.

rayra on January 16, 2013 at 7:02 PM

I’ve let the 2 reps in WA state
Jaime Herrera Beutler (Wash.)
Dave Reichert (Wash.)

that voted for the pork bill
know that I will do everything in my power financially to oust them in 2014. There not even in my district.

Mr. Arrogant on January 16, 2013 at 7:04 PM

That’s 29 Republicans willing to take a very tough vote not once but twice with the national spotlight on them. And if they’re willing to do it twice, why wouldn’t they do it again when Boehner inevitably asks them to make a deal with the Democrats…

I wonder how many of these guys would also be on board for gun control? If Pelosi needs 18, and I assume she will lose some Democrats on such a bill, but how many?

sharrukin on January 16, 2013 at 7:04 PM

“The Democrats now effectively control the floor because nothing ‘big’ will come to the floor without knowing in advance that lots of Democrats support it. That gives the Democrats tremendous power in a body where the minority is not designed to have much power.”…

What a hoot. The dems are NEVER out of power. They ain’t brilliant our side is just chickenshit in so many ways.

arnold ziffel on January 16, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Frelinghuysen is my congress-critter but I doubt I can get a better deal in New Jersey, where Chris Christie passes for a conservative. I’m also somewhat surprised – he might be a backbencher but so far, he used to be as conservative as his purplish district allowed.

Archivarix on January 16, 2013 at 7:08 PM

Between Boehner and Roberts, it’s game over.

p0s3r on January 16, 2013 at 7:11 PM

Boehner is now leading a coalition of Democrats. Just freaking great! Can it get any worse? Yeah, probably can.

And why and how did this piece of horse manure just win re-election as Speaker?

JellyToast on January 16, 2013 at 7:00 PM

No one else stepped up to do it.

kim roy on January 16, 2013 at 7:13 PM

Boehner=Pelosi.

Blaise on January 16, 2013 at 6:56 PM

?? Pelosi’s got balls.

sauldalinsky on January 16, 2013 at 7:14 PM

No one else stepped up to do it.

kim roy on January 16, 2013 at 7:13 PM

Agreed..This is a “bad” situation all around..Hang in there..:)

PS..Good to see you..:)

Dire Straits on January 16, 2013 at 7:16 PM

There’s some critical mass of centrist LEFTIST GOPers

FIFY.

“I’m agreeing with the president — you should not be using the debt limit as a bargaining chip when it comes to how you run the country,” said David M. Cote, chief executive of Honeywell, and a Republican. “You don’t put the full faith and credit of the United States at risk.”

This guy’s an idiot, a useful idiot, in particular.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 16, 2013 at 7:18 PM

I wonder how many of these guys would also be on board for gun control? If Pelosi needs 18, and I assume she will lose some Democrats on such a bill, but how many?

The GOP members from Pennsylvania may find gun control a bridge too far. PA is a heavy 2nd amendment state particularly in the “T” section of Central PA and the northern tier. There are also a lot of Dems out in Western PA that are deer hunters and support the NRA. The ones from southeastern PA are potentially more vulnerable, but even then… this is not an issue they want to be on the wrong side of. The NRA’s backing for incumbents is very helpful for pro-gun right pols holding seats in tough districts.

Jill1066 on January 16, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Lou Bartletta (Pa.) did a great job as the mayor of Hazeltoon fighting illegal immigration. He has sucked as a member of Congress.

bw222 on January 16, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Yep. I contributed money to him during that fight. He’s a real disappointment, now.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 16, 2013 at 7:20 PM

“I’m agreeing with the president — you should not be using the debt limit as a bargaining chip when it comes to how you run the country,” said David M. Cote, chief executive of Honeywell, and a Republican. “You don’t put the full faith and credit of the United States at risk.”

As a new warning was issued Tuesday about a possible credit downgrade, even the hard-line conservative group Americans for Prosperity, financed by the billionaire Koch family, urged Republicans not to use the debt limit as leverage for deep spending cuts.

.
Between the RINO’s, CINO’s and the gutless – you have a majority of House Republicans who will be given air cover by the Big Business “Republicans” (also known as Cronies) to keep “kicking the can down the road” so there is no disruption to THEIR EARNINGS this quarter.

The new motto of the GOP1 Republican Party,

RUN AWAY !!!

PolAgnostic on January 16, 2013 at 7:20 PM

this is not an issue they want to be on the wrong side of. The NRA’s backing for incumbents is very helpful for pro-gun right pols holding seats in tough districts.

Jill1066 on January 16, 2013 at 7:19 PM

I hope so, but I recall similar optimism regarding the pro-life Democrats on Obamacare.

sharrukin on January 16, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Embarrassingly the current GOP doesn’t have the soldiers to win the tough battles so they are resigned to take the lazy way out and fight when the cards are stacked in their favor. Obama plays hard politics and our boys are lead by the crying wimp.

I have never been so embarrassed to be a republican as they stand for nothing.

Bensonofben on January 16, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Sasha List on January 16, 2013 at 6:55 PM

nuff said

cmsinaz on January 16, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Hannity is having Rove on tonight to put us all on the straight an narrow. Gawd, why do people still support FNC?

Mr. Arrogant on January 16, 2013 at 7:31 PM

…so there is that picture of Boner again…where his lips are presses together as if he might lose the pube that’s there!

KOOLAID2 on January 16, 2013 at 7:32 PM

?? Pelosi’s got balls.

sauldalinsky on January 16, 2013 at 7:14 PM

No she doesn’t.
B’ner’s got a vayjayjay

burrata on January 16, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Can the Republicans not force Boehner off the bench? If he’s going to sell out the only power the GOP has it makes little sense to leave him in that position.

Skywise on January 16, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Time for a change?

POLL: 63% OF GOP VOTERS THINK CONGRESSIONAL REPUBLICANS OUT OF TOUCH WITH BASE

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/16/Poll-63-of-GOP-Voters-Think-Republicans-in-Congress-Out-of-Touch

idesign on January 16, 2013 at 7:38 PM

No one else stepped up to do it.

kim roy on January 16, 2013 at 7:13 PM

What a sad commentary.

No one stepped up to fight for our freedom. No one stepped up to defend our constitution. Our rights. Our liberty. No one to stand against the corruption of the Democrats.

We watch our nation slip away because no one stepped up.

One day people somewhere will look back and say.. this was the time it was all lost. Because no one stepped up.

JellyToast on January 16, 2013 at 7:38 PM

well, this republican majority was nice while it lasted.

sesquipedalian on January 16, 2013 at 7:41 PM

yeah, they’re going to have leverage once the debt ceiling comes around

psych

cmsinaz on January 16, 2013 at 7:43 PM

And House Speaker John Boehner was more reserved in his reaction to the Obama plan.

“House committees of jurisdiction will review these recommendations,” Boehner’s spokesman, Michael Steel told Politico. “And if the Senate passes a bill, we will also take a look at that.”
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Graham-Rubio-Obama-guns/2013/01/16/id/471754

Good God.

Mr. Arrogant on January 16, 2013 at 7:44 PM

cmsinaz on January 16, 2013 at 7:43 PM

The sequestration vote at the end of March is the GOP’s best play..imho..:)

PS..Good to see you..:)

Dire Straits on January 16, 2013 at 7:48 PM

Why didn’t they just vote for it all in the beginning and avoid all the faux “hysterics”. Boehner wants to vote yes on Obama’s agenda anyway, they might as well just accelerate this country over the cliff already.

TulsAmerican on January 16, 2013 at 7:50 PM

I hate Nanzi Pelosi with all my soul, but dammit she knew how to run the House with a majority.

SouthernGent on January 16, 2013 at 7:53 PM

That’s 29 Republicans willing to take a very tough vote

Oh, those were tough votes? Two of the most cowardly votes in the history of government.

Buddahpundit on January 16, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Let’s just say it … Boehner is a member of the Pelosi caucus.

HondaV65 on January 16, 2013 at 7:54 PM

And House Speaker John Boehner was more reserved in his reaction to the Obama plan.

“House committees of jurisdiction will review these recommendations,” Boehner’s spokesman, Michael Steel told Politico. “And if the Senate passes a bill, we will also take a look at that.”
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Graham-Rubio-Obama-guns/2013/01/16/id/471754

Is there anything people can do to force Boehner to resign? to screw up his coalition of Democrats?

I know he just won re-election.

We need to force the GOP to make Boehner and Cantor resign. Draft somebody.

all the freaking TEA party people in this country and what good are we?

We’ve got a Republican Speaker of the House effectively leading and working with Democrats.

Is there nothing people could do?

JellyToast on January 16, 2013 at 7:56 PM

HondaV65 on January 16, 2013 at 7:54 PM

No let’s just say that YOU are a (should I say proud) a member of the Pelosi caucus..:)

Dire Straits on January 16, 2013 at 8:02 PM

Sixteen of the twenty-nine are from Pennsylvania (6), New Jersey (5), and New York (5). NJ and NY are to be expected, I suppose, but PA can do better.

What probably bugs me more is the inclusion of any House members from Kentucky and Oklahoma…

Ace ODale on January 16, 2013 at 8:02 PM

Is there nothing people could do?

JellyToast on January 16, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Insurrection on the capital steps?

Mr. Arrogant on January 16, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Federalism people, its the only answer.

http://www.redstate.com/users/derkrieger/

Charlemagne on January 16, 2013 at 8:11 PM

sesquipedalian on January 16, 2013

…you’re boring lately!…you ok?

KOOLAID2 on January 16, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Skywise: “Can the Republicans not force Boehner off the bench? If he’s going to sell out the only power the GOP has it makes little sense to leave him in that position”.

I think the # 29 is misleading. The real # is all the republicrats that voted for either the Fiscal noCliff or the Sandy Pork. & that’s why Boehner represents them. They’re all liberals pretending to be something else. I mean, do you really trust Paul Ryan who voted for the noCliff? Or Eric Cantor voting for Pork? They probably huddled in the back room, & picked straws who would vote for what. That’s about how much integrity the members of Congress have. All they have to do is promise Boehner some free drinks at the local bar, & he’ll vote either way.
Sorry to be so harsh, I’m at wits’ end.

Belle on January 16, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Where’s crosspatch or one of his ilk to complain about how we “TruCons” or “CINOs” are just too stupid to understand the brilliant strategy that Boehner crowd are using?

topdawg on January 16, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

Boehner is exercising power, not abdicating it.

Boehner is showing those who challenged him that he still holds the cards.

There is no “Hastert Rule” in the Senate. It’s a convention, that the Speaker is free to follow or not follow.

Boehner wanted this legislation passed, so he brought it to the floor and let it be passed Hastert rule be damned.

The Tea Party Tough Guys couldn’t do a thing about it, although they did get their “no” votes to protect them in their districts, which is all they really care about, anyway.

One can easily object to this approach, but let’s not mistake what’s going on here.

Mr. Arkadin on January 16, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Boehner is showing those who challenged him that he still holds the cards.

Mr. Arkadin on January 16, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Your math is waaaaaaaaaay off.

Resist We Much on January 16, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Crooks.

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 16, 2013 at 8:38 PM

These chuckleheads better get their act together. And soon.

scalleywag on January 16, 2013 at 8:43 PM

At least we know what Nanzi Pelosi meant when she said

A) that the democrats would regain the House

and

B) that she’d have the gavel

SouthernGent on January 16, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Hannity is having Rove on tonight to put us all on the straight an narrow. Gawd, why do people still support FNC?

Mr. Arrogant on January 16, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Hannity really drinks that Rove koolaid. You know Rove Clintons PR man.

Steveangell on January 16, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Hannity is having Rove on tonight to put us all on the straight an narrow. Gawd, why do people still support FNC?

Mr. Arrogant on January 16, 2013 at 7:31 PM

I stopped watching FNC over a year ago and am much happier.

bw222 on January 16, 2013 at 8:51 PM

You know Rove Clintons PR man.

Steveangell on January 16, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Are you stupid or something??..:)

PS..What movie did that quote come from??..:)

Dire Straits on January 16, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Rodney Alexander (La.), Lou Bartletta (Pa.), Tom Cole (Okla.), Jeff Denham (Calif.), Charles Dent (Pa.), Mario Diaz-Balart (Fla.), Michael Fitzpatrick (Pa.), Rodney Frelinghuyse (N.J.), Jim Gerlach (Pa.), Chris Gibson (N.Y.), Michael Grimm (N.Y.), Richard Hanna (N.Y.), Jaime Herrera Beutler (Wash.), Peter King (N.Y.), Leonard Lance (N.J.), Frank LoBiondo (N.J.), Frank Lucas (Okla.), Tom Marino (Pa.), Buck McKeon (Calif.), Pat Meehan (Pa.), Tom Reed (N.Y.), David Reichert (Wash.), Harold Rogers (Ky.), Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (Fla.), Jon Runyon (N.J.), Jim Shimkus (Ill.), Chris Smith (N.J.), Don Young (Alaska), C.W. Bill Young (Fla).

Bmore on January 16, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Butler is my Congress person. I campaigned for her. What a disappointment . I wrote her tonight. What’s worse, she’s in a safe district. I heard J.B. got to her. Trying to become a career politician. Not if I can help it.

Whiterock on January 16, 2013 at 9:41 PM

Beutler , darn iPad trying to auto correct on me.

Whiterock on January 16, 2013 at 9:43 PM

Okay, I’m going to try to get you all to understand this one last time……Listen up! Quit thinking in terms of Republican and Democrat. That is not the name of the game any longer.
Begin to think of these idiots as “PROGRESSIVES”, PERIOD. Once you comprehend that fact all these votes make more sense. Progressives come in both flavors and Boehner is at the head of the pack. Last year he goes golfing with Obama and magically he gives hime everything he wanted and then some, goes on T.V. and crys like he just had his arm twisted and had to go along. It was all for show. He wanted just what Obama wanted and that’s exactly what they accomplished. The voters be damned! Here it is a year later and we get an instant replay. Only this time, instead of the golf course, they meet behind closed doors and, once again, Boehner wants everybody to believe that he had no choice but to cave. It’s all a lie. He never intended to vote against Obama because he’s just as much a Progressive as Obama, Pelosi, Reid and all the rest of them. He’s just in the closet about it and hopes the voters don’t figure out the game he’s playing. If you make up a score card for these yahoos, watch how they vote and you’ll be able to identify the Progressives. They don’t care about saving the country and their voting records prove it. What do we do about it? I don’t have a clue unless we turn them all out of office at one time and try again. March on Washington anyone????

MONACO1121 on January 16, 2013 at 10:19 PM

Dick Morris sorry Rove.

Steveangell on January 16, 2013 at 10:22 PM

yeah, they’re going to have leverage once the debt ceiling comes around

psych

cmsinaz on January 16, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Someone told Boehner that 4 aces is the worst possible hand, and he believed them – or, at least he said he did. Then, he started blubbering.

Are you stupid or something??..:)

Dire Straits on January 16, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Is 0dumba a malignant narcissist? :)

Anti-Control on January 16, 2013 at 10:48 PM

MONACO1121 : Well said! Are you interested in a political career? There needs to emerge a leader to a 3rd party that will take an oath to uphold our Constitution & support “borders, language, culture”. Ronald Reagan: “A Nation without borders is not a nation”.

Belle on January 16, 2013 at 11:06 PM

How can you call yourself the majority leader when you can’t lead the majority?

bofh on January 17, 2013 at 12:01 AM

Well, at least we got the bi-partisan thingy right. It’s a good first step.

Kissmygrits on January 17, 2013 at 9:01 AM

Hey Belle,
Perhaps we should pay special attention to Cruz from Texas. He doesn’t seem to mind saying NO and meaning it. And he does it consistantly. Keep an eye on him. So far ao good~

MONACO1121 on January 17, 2013 at 1:06 PM

testing..:)

Dire Straits on January 17, 2013 at 5:23 PM